I went for the RF 24-70 f2.8L IS for a 3 reasons. 1. Noticeably smaller, lighter even though it has IS in the lens. 2. 24mm is often a useful focal length. 3. Much cheaper.
24mm is easily can be fix by doing a few steps back 🤷🏽♂️ All in all it is depending on what you do. I do wedding photography so I like the 28-70. For video I will go with 24-70 with a gimbal as it is lighter and the filter is 82mm which is most high end professional lenses such as 50mm F1.2 & 85mm F1.2 will be at 82mm filters. They also do exact same IBIS since 28-70 gets around 7-8 stops as long as you’re using EOS R6 or R5. Haven’t look on other EOS R Mirrorless line up. But it has IS
@@Kenkichi24 You can use stepdown filter rings to go from the 95mm to 82mm so you can use those filters on your 28-70 2.0, dont really notice any vignetting shooting video, some slight vignetting shooting photos at 28mm focal length though.
I've rented the 28-70 and compared it to the 24-70 also. My take, for my commercial shoots, I kept going to the the 24-70, you really feel the need of those extra mm, I don't know why haha, but you do. I used the 24-70 and the glorious 50 1.2. badass combo. The size of the 28-70 is big but it's not annoying, although I haven't shot a wedding which I'm sure that's where you feel it. For portraits I just used my 50mm 1.2. No match. When people say the 28-70 replaces primes, they should clarify that they're talking about 1.8 primes, at least that's what I felt it matched up with and even slightly better. But, there's no freaking way it looks as good as 1.4's or 1.2's, there's a certain subject separation and overall magic look to those lenses. That said, if you have 1.2 or 1.4 primes DO NOT replace with the 28-70. if you have 1.8 primes, 35mm, 50 and 85 and want to replace all 3, definitely get the 28-70 if you got the money.
I have the ef 35mm 1.4 II, rf 50mm 1.2 and rf 85mm 1.2 and I have still ordered the rf 28-70 f2 (coming from the ef 24-70 2.8L II). Overkill? Maybe, but the ef 24-70 2.8 L II just isn’t too great on sharpness compared to the other lenses. The 50 and 85 I think are the sharpest lenses I’ve ever owned and are a dream to use. But all these lenses will be used for different things and not necessarily all at the same time due to the overlap. @@Burritosarebetterthantacos
Appreciate this beautiful video you did comparing these two lenses. Personally, I own the RF 28-70 mm F2.0 and I found it to be a great lens, but I used to own the EF 28-70mm f/2.8 version II and there was just something about that lens that I enjoyed using more. Technically, there's no comparison - the 28-70mm blows it away, but on some basic level the EF was more fun. (BTW, I rented the RF 24-70mm 2.8 and it's a great lens, but I still prefer the 28-70mm)
I never used the 28-70. I only have the RF 24-70 because my EF24-70 version 1 broke. It is the lens I use most frequently so I bought the RF one. I am amazed at how fast it focuses. It feels good in the hand (better than my adapted 24-70 felt. It is sharp at 2.8 and is so versatile. I couldn’t even consider the 28-70 because it is just too big. I’m not willing to bigger and heavier when I can be quite content with the lighter lens. I feel the RF 24-70 is a fabulous lens and a tremendous upgrade.
You can't beat the versatility of the 24-70. I use it for everyday photography and landscapes.. when I want that special look for portraits, my go to lens is the RF 85mm 1.2. Probably one of the best lenses Canon has ever made
I don’t understand how people say the 28-70 isn’t “pleasing” when it comes to the photos. But that is why we all have our own opinion and nothing wrong with that at all! In my personal case, I sold my 35 and my 50 1.2 RF in order to get this lens and I have zero regrets thus far! Before buying the 28-70 I rented it for a wedding, and haven’t looked back since! Perfect lens for creative shots as well!
Bought a 24-70 f2.8 and a 35 f1.8 lens for less than what the 28-70 would've cost, and I'm super happy with my decision. Yeah, the separation of the f2 is better at wider angles, but that's what I got the 35mm for, and at longer focal lengths the difference between the f2 and the f2.8 is basically non-existent, while the weight differences very much are. Also, I borrowed a 28-70 for a while, and oh boy, does that lens suffer from focal breathing. If you ever want to film anything, go with the 24-70. It has no noticeable focus breathing and behaves pretty much like a parfocal lens when zooming, even though it isn't one as far as I know. It's also so much lighter and therefore handles much better on a gimbal, if your gimbal can carry your camera + a 28-70 at all.
This is one of the better “comparison” videos I have seen. I loved that you popped in the 50mm. I own all three of these lenses plus several others. If I could only have 1 of these, I would pick the 24-70 for its versatility and ease. However, since I have all 3 of these, I use 2 of the 3 consistently. The 24-70 for travel and as a general purpose, take most places lens. I use the 28-70 for weddings and family/group (not portrait sessions) all the time. I never use the 50. In fact, I should sell it. I grab my 85mm1.2 for all portrait sessions and I cannot wait to get my hands on the 135mm. I also think the 70-200 is indispensable for events and sports. At weddings, I always have the 28-70 and the 70-200 attached to two bodies and both on my body. I say this because I am 5’2” and about 130 pounds. I use a Spyder belt but I handle both large lenses fine. Now, I would love to see you do this comparison again when the 35mm1.2 comes out. That is going to be a great one to do. I keep debating if I would ditch the 28-70 for that…and then maybe my 50mm would get some use. Lol
Thank you Rachael! It's always interesting to hear what setups other people gravitate towards, are you planning to replace the 70-200 with the 135 for weddings? I check Canon Rumors very regularly for any news about that 35mm 1.2, hopefully we see it early next year, I can't wait! Thank you for watching.
I love using the small prime lenses: You get those 1.8 24, 35, 50 and the 2.0 85 for less money than the 24-70 2.8, very compact and versatile (3 are 0.5x macros) The 24 to 70 is great avoiding lens changes and getting superior IQ. For serious prime work my lineup is EF 35 1.4 II, RF 50 1.2 and EF 85 1.4 IS (to be completed with the RF 135 1.8). All are exceptional in IQ, Bokeh, but still not too bulky and heavy. The RF28-70 and RF 85 1.2 are beyond my envelope of acceptable size & weight. BTW: The 25-105 is not too bad and a great choice when it comes to traveling light (a pairing with the 35 1.8 IS is very handy)
Thanks for the review! I just purchased the RF 24-70 last week to use on my R3 and was considering sending it back for the 28-70 instead. After watching this I’m going to keep it and someday buy a 1.2 prime. Next purchase will likely be the RF 70-200 2.8L
Good comparison James! As usual. Finally I've got my RF 24-70mm replacing the EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS II I still have and use with my R6 and R62. It's a great fat boy, robust, sharp, quiet, fast and the IS it's very convenient. I still didn't use it a lot but I find some CA on very contrasty areas wide open. Cheers from Buenos Aires!
Very good review James! I went with the RF trinity and got the RF 50 1.2 and RF 85 1.2 for when bokeh and low light are needed! I was back and forth on the 28-70 before but your video has convinced me I chose right as I love that 24mm look and the 28-70 @ 70 2.0 isn’t a match for the 50 or 85. I have found the RF 24-70 excellent 👌
Wow. Man your b-roll is gorgeous. Holy cow. Amazing production value in this video. Thank you for the great content as well. Definitely given me pause on whether to get the 28-70.
A great video. As someone shooting video too - you helped me make my mind up - the 24-70mm with the stabilisation is ideal to pair with the C70 - but will serve me well for stills on the R5 too. Thank you
Exactly my thoughts. It is also very hard for me to give up the 24mm wide end capability. Having shot with 24-70mm F2.8 Mk2 for years wide open I had a hard time spotting the difference with 28-70mm. You demonstrated it so well. it is about 15% more pleasing with the F2.0. I have 35mm and 85mm F1.4 to give me much better rendering, small and mighty and I don't have too carry it with me after I am done shooting with them unlike the 28-70mm. That weight ALWAYS stays on your camera.
For me versatility is the main attribute that i “need” on that focal length(zoom lens),so 24-70 was my choice. (Finally a new video!! I was almost giving up on you. 😀👍)
For me, the 28-70 is the most versatile because I can tolerate the trade off in dof VS prime for wedding for instance. I couldn't go with 2.8 but that's just my preference.
How do you make sharp images like those? I've seen some other people using the same equipment, but your videos show photos with a lot more sharpness. I'm really impressed. Can you share some knowledge about that?
What would you say about the autofocus performance differences between the two lenses? I own the 28-70 f2 and a R5. Lastly I had a shooting with an agile dog. And while the AF was great in most cases with animal AF and servo, if the dog was running directly towards the camera, a lot of photos where out of focus. It was mostly focused on the body instead the head/eye of the dog. My impression is, that the 28-70 did not focus fast enough. Is there a noticeable difference in 24-70 and 28-70?
I would say the RF 24-70 is noticeably faster when it comes to AF. I’m not sure if one is more accurate than the other, but I have found the 24-70 to be the best RF lens in terms of AF, along with the RF 70-200
Good video, I have the rf 28-70, rf 70-200 2.8, rf 70-200 f4, and rf 100-500. The 28-70 is so sharp and fast. I would buy that lens over and over again, no regrets. The 70-200 2.8 is also an amazing piece.
Great Review. I went with the 24-70 myself. The weight, no IS and the PRICE were the deal breakers for me. I love the 24-70 and since I don't do a lot of portrait photography the 28-70 didn't make sense for me
I love the rendering of the primes, especially the 85mm but cant deny the versatility of a zoom. I will probably go with the 24-70mm someday. For everyday use it makes the most sense. Maybe because the R6 is my first mirrorless but Im amazed every time at the image quality compared to my old 600D. Its like putting on glasses. I hope Canon gives all future cameras more mp though. 20 just isnt enough for any kind of cropping.
I agree with you, the 28-70 is amazing but I bought the 24-70 because it is cheaper, lighter and probably a little bit better for video because of the built in IS.
I have the ef 24-70mm ii and am tossing up between the 2 rf lenses. One thing you mentioned is focus speed, speed and accuracy is very important for my current job. I would assume the rf 24-70 would be faster at focusing than the ef 24-70 ii, can anyone clarify if it’s a big difference or not, I’m using it on R5 & R3. Thanks for the video it’s very useful.
@@JamesReader however I do like the versatility in my usual focus length is 35 and this will be my first zoom lens so I believe I’m going to go with the 24- 70 😊
Did you end up going with the 24-70 I’m having the same dilemma do I want the 50mm 1.2 or the zoom… I love the versatility with the zoom but do I need the fast aperature….
One thing concerning for the 28/70 for me is relying on the IBIS for image stability. I use back button focus on the R5, and I understand that the IBIS is only active at the moment of the shutter actuation. Other users report that it takes roughly 1 second for the IBIS to gain solid control. The only option when using the 28/70 and BBF would be to have IBIS on full time, and eat up batteries.
Wow. 🤯 You’ve blown my mind with this video. Please show us your process for shooting, culling, editing. I love your work and colours. We have the 28-70 & 24-70. We’re comparing them right now for event/wedding work and are having a hard time comparing them. Your review is super useful and extremely well produced.
Thank you for watching and thank you for the kind words! So glad the video helped out. I'll definitely be doing videos in the future on editing/shooting. Thanks again!
@@angellondian7628 yes!! Thanks for asking. Short answer: 24-70 f2.8 it’s incredibly lightweight and have virtually zero focus breathing. The dual stabilization for video is incredible. After the ceremony, we switch to 50mm f1.2 and 70-200 f2.8 for the second shooter to do portraits and reception.
What a spectacular review James ! Finally a review with (excellent) photography in mind as opposed to gear in mind ! At timing 03:30 ... is it actually a case of a more beautiful golden dusk light in the exact timing you shot with the F2 lens ? Or is it that the F2 lens itself gives the girl's hair a golden "Vogue" like look ? ...
Thank you for such kind words Doron! It was a cloudy day so the sun just happened to shine through in that particular shot, all down to the light rather than the lens! Thank you again for watching.
Excellent review of the two best Canon Portrait zoom RF lens. I own the RF 85 f1.2 L so I can see the quality of rendering, shallow depth field, body compression and image quality of these lens compared to RF 50mm f1.2. I agree with your assessment that 24-70 is best of the two based on image rendering, sharpness and character of the lens. This is without day to day usability factor where 24-70 shines. Those who want quality bokeh, shallow depth of field, image quality and body compression with adequate subject coverage should go for RF 85mm F1.2 L instead of RF 50mm f1.2 L. RF 85mm is sharper than RF 50mm. Love your work. Thanks.
Thanks, that was helpful. I’m thinking maybe the 24-70 f2.8 would be better for me, but haven’t decided for sure yet. I’m also hoping to get the 50 mm f1.2 at some point as well.
I'd love the 28-70 F2 to be mine.. But.. I went with the RF 24-70 2.8 IS L I sold my Tamron EF 24-70 2.8 G2 to offset the cost. For my uses.. especially with video.. The RF 24-70 2.8 will serve me well
Call me mad but I preferred the 24-70mm results nearly throughout. In some cases partly related to the individual shots. But partly a growing realisation I quite like the level of isolation achieved around F2.8 on full frame.
Great job man! You convey the information in a calm, intelligent and informative way! Keep it coming! Personally I do not find the 28-70mm to be exotic enough for me to give up prime lenses nor justification for its size and weight in relation to 24-70mm. For the actual cost/size/weight of this lens I would expect it to offer me a range of at least 28-85mm at a consistent aperture of 1.8
I am new tot he RF system. I got the Canon R6 w/ the 24-105 f-4 which is an ideal zoom range for most anything I will ever shoot. For my second, third, etc. lenses, I really like the 15-35 f2.8; the 70-200 f.2.8; also maybe the 100mm macro. For some reason, I really wanted to a avoid getting the middle trinity lens, the 24-70mm 2.8 and go for say a really nice 50mm prime to bridge the gap. On primes, I feel somewhat limited. So, how about the 24-70 f 2.0 zoom? Now, with accessories, we are talking almost $20,000 worth of gear here. So redundancy in lenses seams unwarranted. I don’t know yet. For people shots, I like the 35-85 range, sometimes even the 105, but most of the time 35-85. So, should I bridge the gap with the 28-70 f2.0, or give in and get the 24-70 f2.8? I have no idea yet.
@@JamesReader had not thought of that. I’ll look into that. I need that wider range for inside photos, and outside landscapes. The 85 would be great for portrait shots.
thanks for the video. I want to know if you have experience with the lens 28-70 in weddings low light situation. What you think about. Thanks from Puerto Vallarta
Great comparison, if it wasn’t for the size the 28-70 would be higher on my wishlist, this video makes me think that the 24-70 and the 50 1,2 as a combo is more desirable.
@@303badassboxer That's true, however if you have two lenses you can decide to leave one at home based on what you need for the occasion, essentially halving the weight.
I bought the F2 as my 1st mirror list lens. For the convenience of not switching lens it's worth it. Very nice video review very professional by the way.
I used this 28-70 once. Never had a 24 70 or similar lens before, because im mostly a nature photographer and just getting into portraits and weddings, so i have to buy a normal lens. After using the best, the 2.0 2870, i dont know if a 24 70 will be enough for me. But this lens became so expensive, the pricetag grew about a 1000 euros in the past year. Tough decision.
Crazy that the difference between both zooms, between F2.0 und F2.8 is nearly not visible, I expected a bigger difference! And if you look only on one variant, not both together, you dont see a difference, and the client even less. So 24-70 seems to be better, combined with one or two primes for that extra-bokeh-photos in special situations. So on one body 24-70 and on second body 85mm 1.2 or 135 1.8 or 50mm 1.2
Surprised you didn't mention the lack of stabilization in the f2, and in the 50mm f1.2 for that matter. I'd be interested to know if that makes any real world difference.
I need professional advice! I’ve got the R6 Mark II with the following lenses; RF 85mm F2/Macro RF 35mm F1.8/Macro RF 18mm - 150mm F3.5-6.3 IS STM I’m looking at selling them and getting one of these 2. What do you think?
@@JamesReader I’m not a professional but I shoot gastronomy, vineyards, product and people! I studied basic courses of photography and editing to be able to handle my imagery for my Instagram and Website business. Having the “Blur” feature in Lightroom do you think the 24-70 could also work? I make wine 😅
Hey James, I currently have a Canon EOS RP with the kit lens and I was wondering what Canon RF lens you recommend for me to start Portrait photography?
Hey Jack, thank you for watching! Depends a little on your budget but here's some suggestions. If you have the kit lens I would probably go for a versatile prime. I'm actually testing out the RF 50mm 1.8 right now and if budget is an issue that's a great addition to get some extra bokeh in your portraits. For a little more though, the RF 35mm 1.8 is one of my favourites for environmental portraits, it's a very good lens and has better image quality than the cheaper 50mm 1.8. I've heard the 85mm f2 is great too, but on the higher end I would highly recommend the RF 50mm 1.2. It's incredible and versatile. Hope that helps a bit, so many great options to choose from!
For indoor studio photography with strobes and backdrops which lens would you recommend 24-70 or 28-70? does 2.0 aperture make any difference when it comes to indoor studio photography? (Considering I might never shoot at 2.0)
Canon RF 28-70 F2 is just a little bit better but its not night and day. I think for portraits its fine if you want the Canon RF 28-70 F2. But for weddings I might go with the Canon RF 24-70 F2.8 sometimes at a wedding you might really need the 24mm. Sometimes you need ultra wide at weddings its rare but it happens.
Having the EF 24-70/F2.8II lens, not sure if the RF would 'gain' me much... that 28-70/F2.0 probably would, but that price ... man.... Bit 'low' on cash thought, since I just received my R3.... so I think I stick for now with my 'old' EF glass...
Great review. It’s difficult choice for me, I’m moving from Nikon D7200 to Canon R6 MII and prefer to have one lens and I’m not professional photographer but I love Bokeh and Sharpness (doesn't have to be at prime level) in my photos mostly family events and portrait. With only $500 price difference between two lenses money is not an issue. Any recommendation considering size of the lens not weight?
If purely for photo go for the 28-70. You can’t go wrong with either but if you’re going to go with one lens then I feel the 28-70 makes a lot of sense. Versatile, sharp, fast focusing and good in low light whilst giving you a prime like rendering. As long as you don’t mind the size and weight! It’s very front heavy.
The killer for me is the weight of the lens. The 28-70 is just too heavy to be lugging around all day. The weight is an additional pound heavier than the 24-70, and about 12 ounces heavier than the 70-200. Carry it around for an afternoon, and you will get a workout. Given the incredibly good ISO performance of an R5 or R6, I can live with the increased lighting needs. The first time a client says to me, "I wish you had used your 28-70 lens instead of that dreadful 24-70 lens", I will consider the purchase of a 28-70.
Just travel photos and videos and photos of family and friends and a few time-lapse movies. I don't know if the IBIS of the R5 is a big deal, when e.g. third party 85 mm leness had no IS for portrait shots.
Sir I have a question... For a RF 28-70 2.0 on a FF camera. is the Background Blur at 70mm 2.0 greater than the Background blur at 28mm 2.0 ? or is it same or less. (at Same distance between the background and the subject and the camera.)
Both would be great, but the extra stop of light from the 28-70 would be great for indoor sports. It will allow you to use a higher shutter speed to freeze the action whilst keeping your ISO lower.
@@francisdrelling4060 I personally found that the 24-70 was better suited to video with it's optical stabilization. I got quite a lot of micro jitters with the 28-70 on my R5 footage. I imagine if you rig up your camera it will reduce this but I find the 24-70 to be the almost perfect video lens for full frame.
I went for the RF 24-70 f2.8L IS for a 3 reasons. 1. Noticeably smaller, lighter even though it has IS in the lens. 2. 24mm is often a useful focal length. 3. Much cheaper.
24mm is easily can be fix by doing a few steps back 🤷🏽♂️
All in all it is depending on what you do. I do wedding photography so I like the 28-70. For video I will go with 24-70 with a gimbal as it is lighter and the filter is 82mm which is most high end professional lenses such as 50mm F1.2 & 85mm F1.2 will be at 82mm filters. They also do exact same IBIS since 28-70 gets around 7-8 stops as long as you’re using EOS R6 or R5. Haven’t look on other EOS R Mirrorless line up. But it has IS
@@Kenkichi24 You can use stepdown filter rings to go from the 95mm to 82mm so you can use those filters on your 28-70 2.0, dont really notice any vignetting shooting video, some slight vignetting shooting photos at 28mm focal length though.
@@Kenkichi24 im with the 28-70 too its a power house lens and you are correct few steps back is a easy adjustment
I've rented the 28-70 and compared it to the 24-70 also. My take, for my commercial shoots, I kept going to the the 24-70, you really feel the need of those extra mm, I don't know why haha, but you do. I used the 24-70 and the glorious 50 1.2. badass combo. The size of the 28-70 is big but it's not annoying, although I haven't shot a wedding which I'm sure that's where you feel it.
For portraits I just used my 50mm 1.2. No match. When people say the 28-70 replaces primes, they should clarify that they're talking about 1.8 primes, at least that's what I felt it matched up with and even slightly better. But, there's no freaking way it looks as good as 1.4's or 1.2's, there's a certain subject separation and overall magic look to those lenses. That said, if you have 1.2 or 1.4 primes DO NOT replace with the 28-70. if you have 1.8 primes, 35mm, 50 and 85 and want to replace all 3, definitely get the 28-70 if you got the money.
This comment may have sold me a 50 mm😂. Damn its expensive
I have the ef 35mm 1.4 II, rf 50mm 1.2 and rf 85mm 1.2 and I have still ordered the rf 28-70 f2 (coming from the ef 24-70 2.8L II).
Overkill? Maybe, but the ef 24-70 2.8 L II just isn’t too great on sharpness compared to the other lenses. The 50 and 85 I think are the sharpest lenses I’ve ever owned and are a dream to use. But all these lenses will be used for different things and not necessarily all at the same time due to the overlap.
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24-70 is a definite candidate for all the reasons you mentioned.
Man, you do the best reviews for rf lenses. Appreciate your videos. Very practical comparisons
Wow, thank you for the kind words! Very glad to of helped.
Appreciate this beautiful video you did comparing these two lenses. Personally, I own the RF 28-70 mm F2.0 and I found it to be a great lens, but I used to own the EF 28-70mm f/2.8 version II and there was just something about that lens that I enjoyed using more. Technically, there's no comparison - the 28-70mm blows it away, but on some basic level the EF was more fun. (BTW, I rented the RF 24-70mm 2.8 and it's a great lens, but I still prefer the 28-70mm)
I never used the 28-70. I only have the RF 24-70 because my EF24-70 version 1 broke. It is the lens I use most frequently so I bought the RF one. I am amazed at how fast it focuses. It feels good in the hand (better than my adapted 24-70 felt. It is sharp at 2.8 and is so versatile. I couldn’t even consider the 28-70 because it is just too big. I’m not willing to bigger and heavier when I can be quite content with the lighter lens. I feel the RF 24-70 is a fabulous lens and a tremendous upgrade.
You can't beat the versatility of the 24-70. I use it for everyday photography and landscapes.. when I want that special look for portraits, my go to lens is the RF 85mm 1.2. Probably one of the best lenses Canon has ever made
yes you can beat the versatility of a 24-70: RF 2.8 24-105
I don’t understand how people say the 28-70 isn’t “pleasing” when it comes to the photos. But that is why we all have our own opinion and nothing wrong with that at all! In my personal case, I sold my 35 and my 50 1.2 RF in order to get this lens and I have zero regrets thus far! Before buying the 28-70 I rented it for a wedding, and haven’t looked back since! Perfect lens for creative shots as well!
They are certainly pleasing to my eyes, it's an amazing lens! Thank you for watching.
Thanks!
Thanks so much Jeff!
Bought a 24-70 f2.8 and a 35 f1.8 lens for less than what the 28-70 would've cost, and I'm super happy with my decision. Yeah, the separation of the f2 is better at wider angles, but that's what I got the 35mm for, and at longer focal lengths the difference between the f2 and the f2.8 is basically non-existent, while the weight differences very much are.
Also, I borrowed a 28-70 for a while, and oh boy, does that lens suffer from focal breathing. If you ever want to film anything, go with the 24-70. It has no noticeable focus breathing and behaves pretty much like a parfocal lens when zooming, even though it isn't one as far as I know. It's also so much lighter and therefore handles much better on a gimbal, if your gimbal can carry your camera + a 28-70 at all.
u regret not getting 28-70 bro
This is one of the better “comparison” videos I have seen. I loved that you popped in the 50mm. I own all three of these lenses plus several others. If I could only have 1 of these, I would pick the 24-70 for its versatility and ease. However, since I have all 3 of these, I use 2 of the 3 consistently. The 24-70 for travel and as a general purpose, take most places lens. I use the 28-70 for weddings and family/group (not portrait sessions) all the time. I never use the 50. In fact, I should sell it. I grab my 85mm1.2 for all portrait sessions and I cannot wait to get my hands on the 135mm. I also think the 70-200 is indispensable for events and sports. At weddings, I always have the 28-70 and the 70-200 attached to two bodies and both on my body. I say this because I am 5’2” and about 130 pounds. I use a Spyder belt but I handle both large lenses fine.
Now, I would love to see you do this comparison again when the 35mm1.2 comes out. That is going to be a great one to do. I keep debating if I would ditch the 28-70 for that…and then maybe my 50mm would get some use. Lol
Thank you Rachael! It's always interesting to hear what setups other people gravitate towards, are you planning to replace the 70-200 with the 135 for weddings? I check Canon Rumors very regularly for any news about that 35mm 1.2, hopefully we see it early next year, I can't wait! Thank you for watching.
Such a good and detailed review with lots of good photos. Subscribed
Thank you!
I love using the small prime lenses:
You get those 1.8 24, 35, 50 and the 2.0 85 for less money than the 24-70 2.8, very compact and versatile (3 are 0.5x macros)
The 24 to 70 is great avoiding lens changes and getting superior IQ.
For serious prime work my lineup is EF 35 1.4 II, RF 50 1.2 and EF 85 1.4 IS (to be completed with the RF 135 1.8). All are exceptional in IQ, Bokeh, but still not too bulky and heavy.
The RF28-70 and RF 85 1.2 are beyond my envelope of acceptable size & weight.
BTW: The 25-105 is not too bad and a great choice when it comes to traveling light (a pairing with the 35 1.8 IS is very handy)
Thanks for the review! I just purchased the RF 24-70 last week to use on my R3 and was considering sending it back for the 28-70 instead. After watching this I’m going to keep it and someday buy a 1.2 prime. Next purchase will likely be the RF 70-200 2.8L
That is the perfect addition to your 24-70. Then the 15-35😊
my 70-200 literally just showed up at the door just now. Dang, its a beast - I didn't realize just how heavy it really is in hand
Good comparison James! As usual. Finally I've got my RF 24-70mm replacing the EF 24-70mm f/2.8L IS II I still have and use with my R6 and R62. It's a great fat boy, robust, sharp, quiet, fast and the IS it's very convenient. I still didn't use it a lot but I find some CA on very contrasty areas wide open.
Cheers from Buenos Aires!
Very good review James! I went with the RF trinity and got the RF 50 1.2 and RF 85 1.2 for when bokeh and low light are needed! I was back and forth on the 28-70 before but your video has convinced me I chose right as I love that 24mm look and the 28-70 @ 70 2.0 isn’t a match for the 50 or 85. I have found the RF 24-70 excellent 👌
Thanks for watching Kevin, glad it helped you in your decision. That's a great set up to be working with !
Wow. Man your b-roll is gorgeous. Holy cow. Amazing production value in this video. Thank you for the great content as well. Definitely given me pause on whether to get the 28-70.
Thanks so much Jon!
Would have loved to see a 28 vs 28mm comparison - the only one that is missing imo :)
Wonderful comparison and presentation. I really enjoyed it.
Thanks for watching Randy
Brilliant videos! Clever, concise, and absolutely enjoyable. Definitely would like to see much more.
Thank you so much Sam! More coming soon.
A great video. As someone shooting video too - you helped me make my mind up - the 24-70mm with the stabilisation is ideal to pair with the C70 - but will serve me well for stills on the R5 too. Thank you
great review! love your comments and comparison about it. Going to grab one once I've saved enough, thanks for this awesome video!
Thank you for watching! Glad it helped.
Exactly my thoughts. It is also very hard for me to give up the 24mm wide end capability. Having shot with 24-70mm F2.8 Mk2 for years wide open I had a hard time spotting the difference with 28-70mm. You demonstrated it so well. it is about 15% more pleasing with the F2.0. I have 35mm and 85mm F1.4 to give me much better rendering, small and mighty and I don't have too carry it with me after I am done shooting with them unlike the 28-70mm. That weight ALWAYS stays on your camera.
This is the comparison I’ve been waiting for. Thank you
Thank you! Glad it helped 🙂
Great examples and really well done!
thank you!
Great review. Really appreciate the way you structured this. Thank you!!
Thank you Carlos!
Thanks for the comparison. Very helpful and balanced.
For me versatility is the main attribute that i “need” on that focal length(zoom lens),so 24-70 was my choice.
(Finally a new video!! I was almost giving up on you. 😀👍)
Thank you Francisco, I completely agree. Thank you for sticking around🙂! More videos to come soon.
@@JamesReader just don’t make us wait for another 3 months 😉
Really enjoy the “smooth “ presentation.
Your previous video was also top notch 👍
For me, the 28-70 is the most versatile because I can tolerate the trade off in dof VS prime for wedding for instance. I couldn't go with 2.8 but that's just my preference.
@@youperspective the 28-70 must be killer for weddings.
Really great comparison James.. thanks!
Thank you!
Great comparison, very helpful. Thanks!
Thank you!
Keep these videos rolling… such great stuff! Liked and Subscribed!👍👍👍
Thank you !
Great review as always james,like you i have some wonderful rf 1.2 primes,but thinki il be renting the 28-70 soon.
Thank you Darryl! I think you’ll love the 28-70.
This comparison is the best! Thank you :)
Thank you!
Thanks James, awesome side by side real life review. New subscriber 💪
Glad it helped! Thank you for the feedback!
Great comparison, James. I think I’ll stick with my RF50 1.2 for now. At some point I’ll jump to a zoom but not yet.
How do you make sharp images like those? I've seen some other people using the same equipment, but your videos show photos with a lot more sharpness. I'm really impressed. Can you share some knowledge about that?
What would you say about the autofocus performance differences between the two lenses? I own the 28-70 f2 and a R5. Lastly I had a shooting with an agile dog. And while the AF was great in most cases with animal AF and servo, if the dog was running directly towards the camera, a lot of photos where out of focus. It was mostly focused on the body instead the head/eye of the dog. My impression is, that the 28-70 did not focus fast enough. Is there a noticeable difference in 24-70 and 28-70?
I would say the RF 24-70 is noticeably faster when it comes to AF. I’m not sure if one is more accurate than the other, but I have found the 24-70 to be the best RF lens in terms of AF, along with the RF 70-200
Good video, I have the rf 28-70, rf 70-200 2.8, rf 70-200 f4, and rf 100-500. The 28-70 is so sharp and fast. I would buy that lens over and over again, no regrets. The 70-200 2.8 is also an amazing piece.
Heelo jermey is it good for videos 28-70 ?
@@omranmohammed8134 depends on your video, it does have a lot of focus breathing that can be heard in the videos with fast moving objects
@@jeremykolb6574 thanks for replay bro . My videos gonna be at cars offroading . Sorry for my bad english
Thank you for this great video! Informative and a great joy to watch. Well done!
Thank you Roger!
Great Review. I went with the 24-70 myself. The weight, no IS and the PRICE were the deal breakers for me. I love the 24-70 and since I don't do a lot of portrait photography the 28-70 didn't make sense for me
I love the rendering of the primes, especially the 85mm but cant deny the versatility of a zoom. I will probably go with the 24-70mm someday. For everyday use it makes the most sense.
Maybe because the R6 is my first mirrorless but Im amazed every time at the image quality compared to my old 600D. Its like putting on glasses. I hope Canon gives all future cameras more mp though. 20 just isnt enough for any kind of cropping.
I agree with you, the 28-70 is amazing but I bought the 24-70 because it is cheaper, lighter and probably a little bit better for video because of the built in IS.
Love the 28-70. I do miss 24mm but there's just something special about how the 28-70 renders.
Really great comparison video!
Thank you Brennan!
I have the ef 24-70mm ii and am tossing up between the 2 rf lenses. One thing you mentioned is focus speed, speed and accuracy is very important for my current job. I would assume the rf 24-70 would be faster at focusing than the ef 24-70 ii, can anyone clarify if it’s a big difference or not, I’m using it on R5 & R3. Thanks for the video it’s very useful.
Good review James! Thank you!
One of the best reviews I’ve seen just what I needed thanks for sharing i’m between the 24-70 and 50mm 1.2 for portraits
Thank you for watching Chris, glad it helped! Can't go wrong with either, I love the 50mm though!
@@JamesReader however I do like the versatility in my usual focus length is 35 and this will be my first zoom lens so I believe I’m going to go with the 24- 70 😊
Did you end up going with the 24-70 I’m having the same dilemma do I want the 50mm 1.2 or the zoom… I love the versatility with the zoom but do I need the fast aperature….
I sold my ef 24-70 f2.8Lii for rf 28-70 f2L. I use rf 24-105 f4L combo with rf 35 f1.8 macro is stm for general purpose/travel😊
One thing concerning for the 28/70 for me is relying on the IBIS for image stability. I use back button focus on the R5, and I understand that the IBIS is only active at the moment of the shutter actuation. Other users report that it takes roughly 1 second for the IBIS to gain solid control. The only option when using the 28/70 and BBF would be to have IBIS on full time, and eat up batteries.
Wow. 🤯 You’ve blown my mind with this video. Please show us your process for shooting, culling, editing. I love your work and colours.
We have the 28-70 & 24-70. We’re comparing them right now for event/wedding work and are having a hard time comparing them. Your review is super useful and extremely well produced.
Thank you for watching and thank you for the kind words! So glad the video helped out. I'll definitely be doing videos in the future on editing/shooting. Thanks again!
Zen, can you let us know what you opined about both lenses and what you use for video?
@@angellondian7628 yes!! Thanks for asking.
Short answer: 24-70 f2.8 it’s incredibly lightweight and have virtually zero focus breathing. The dual stabilization for video is incredible. After the ceremony, we switch to 50mm f1.2 and 70-200 f2.8 for the second shooter to do portraits and reception.
14-35f4, 50mm1.2, 70-200 2.8. Thats my preferred dream setup. Which one to buy first🤔. Im leaning 50. Its annoying the new Sigma 50mm for sony is $800
What a spectacular review James !
Finally a review with (excellent) photography in mind as opposed to gear in mind !
At timing 03:30 ... is it actually a case of a more beautiful golden dusk light in the exact timing you shot with the F2 lens ? Or is it that the F2 lens itself gives the girl's hair a golden "Vogue" like look ? ...
Thank you for such kind words Doron! It was a cloudy day so the sun just happened to shine through in that particular shot, all down to the light rather than the lens! Thank you again for watching.
Excellent review of the two best Canon Portrait zoom RF lens. I own the RF 85 f1.2 L so I can see the quality of rendering, shallow depth field, body compression and image quality of these lens compared to RF 50mm f1.2. I agree with your assessment that 24-70 is best of the two based on image rendering, sharpness and character of the lens. This is without day to day usability factor where 24-70 shines. Those who want quality bokeh, shallow depth of field, image quality and body compression with adequate subject coverage should go for RF 85mm F1.2 L instead of RF 50mm f1.2 L. RF 85mm is sharper than RF 50mm. Love your work. Thanks.
Totally agree! Thank you for watching and thank you for the kind comments
Excellent comparison! Plenty of examples, instead of just subjective opinion of the reviewer. Liked and subscribed.
Thank you!
Thanks, that was helpful. I’m thinking maybe the 24-70 f2.8 would be better for me, but haven’t decided for sure yet. I’m also hoping to get the 50 mm f1.2 at some point as well.
I'd love the 28-70 F2 to be mine..
But.. I went with the RF 24-70 2.8 IS L
I sold my Tamron EF 24-70 2.8 G2 to offset the cost.
For my uses.. especially with video.. The RF 24-70 2.8 will serve me well
Did you regret the choice or ?
@@mlct887 no, The 24-70 2.8 is pretty damn awesome.
Call me mad but I preferred the 24-70mm results nearly throughout.
In some cases partly related to the individual shots. But partly a growing realisation I quite like the level of isolation achieved around F2.8 on full frame.
Great job man! You convey the information in a calm, intelligent and informative way! Keep it coming! Personally I do not find the 28-70mm to be exotic enough for me to give up prime lenses nor justification for its size and weight in relation to 24-70mm. For the actual cost/size/weight of this lens I would expect it to offer me a range of at least 28-85mm at a consistent aperture of 1.8
Thanks for watching Eli, fully agree regarding the 28-70!
I am new tot he RF system. I got the Canon R6 w/ the 24-105 f-4 which is an ideal zoom range for most anything I will ever shoot. For my second, third, etc. lenses, I really like the 15-35 f2.8; the 70-200 f.2.8; also maybe the 100mm macro. For some reason, I really wanted to a avoid getting the middle trinity lens, the 24-70mm 2.8 and go for say a really nice 50mm prime to bridge the gap. On primes, I feel somewhat limited. So, how about the 24-70 f 2.0 zoom? Now, with accessories, we are talking almost $20,000 worth of gear here. So redundancy in lenses seams unwarranted. I don’t know yet. For people shots, I like the 35-85 range, sometimes even the 105, but most of the time 35-85. So, should I bridge the gap with the 28-70 f2.0, or give in and get the 24-70 f2.8? I have no idea yet.
Have you considered getting the 35mm 1.8 and the 85mm f2? You already have a great standard zoom lens so I think I would consider a versatile prime.
@@JamesReader had not thought of that. I’ll look into that. I need that wider range for inside photos, and outside landscapes. The 85 would be great for portrait shots.
Wow those video images are so good!! 🎉❤
Thank you so much Juan!
thanks for the video. I want to know if you have experience with the lens 28-70 in weddings low light situation. What you think about. Thanks from Puerto Vallarta
Keep up the great work! By far the best 28-70 review/comparison I’ve seen. Also, is the 28-70 still sharp at 70mm f2? Thanks!
Thanks so much Ray, I'm glad it helped. It looked very sharp to me at 70mm f2.
Great comparison, if it wasn’t for the size the 28-70 would be higher on my wishlist, this video makes me think that the 24-70 and the 50 1,2 as a combo is more desirable.
Thank you for watching! That's the combo I went for, no regrets here.
That's my combo too and i never missed a thing.
Even the 50 alone would be sufficient 😁 maybe combine that with a zeiss 21
I would have to imagine the weight and size of carrying two lens would be substantially more than one heavy 28-70 f2
@@303badassboxer That's true, however if you have two lenses you can decide to leave one at home based on what you need for the occasion, essentially halving the weight.
I have a problem with my nikon z6 with the 2.8, when its too dark it doesnt focus...but when i put a faster lens it does focus
I bought the F2 as my 1st mirror list lens. For the convenience of not switching lens it's worth it. Very nice video review very professional by the way.
That's an amazing fiest lens, Thank you for watching!
I really love your work 👌🏾🔥
Thank you!!
Ive used the 24-70mm so much. It's just so convenient.
Haven't tried the 28-70mm mostly due to the weight.
I used this 28-70 once. Never had a 24 70 or similar lens before, because im mostly a nature photographer and just getting into portraits and weddings, so i have to buy a normal lens. After using the best, the 2.0 2870, i dont know if a 24 70 will be enough for me. But this lens became so expensive, the pricetag grew about a 1000 euros in the past year. Tough decision.
I already own the RF 24-70 2.8, is the RF 28-70 f/2 enough better to upgrade to it?
I really like the RF 24-70 2.8. What other lenses do you have?
@@JamesReader I have RF 70-200 2.8, RF 50mm 1.8,and 85mm f/2
Can we get the RAW files for R5 and these two lenses mentioned in the video ? Please
Crazy that the difference between both zooms, between F2.0 und F2.8 is nearly not visible, I expected a bigger difference! And if you look only on one variant, not both together, you dont see a difference, and the client even less. So 24-70 seems to be better, combined with one or two primes for that extra-bokeh-photos in special situations. So on one body 24-70 and on second body 85mm 1.2 or 135 1.8 or 50mm 1.2
Surprised you didn't mention the lack of stabilization in the f2, and in the 50mm f1.2 for that matter. I'd be interested to know if that makes any real world difference.
I need professional advice!
I’ve got the R6 Mark II with the following lenses;
RF 85mm F2/Macro
RF 35mm F1.8/Macro
RF 18mm - 150mm F3.5-6.3 IS STM
I’m looking at selling them and getting one of these 2.
What do you think?
What kind of things do you shoot? I think he 28-70 would probably be the best direct replacement for those lenses.
@@JamesReader I’m not a professional but I shoot gastronomy, vineyards, product and people!
I studied basic courses of photography and editing to be able to handle my imagery for my Instagram and Website business.
Having the “Blur” feature in Lightroom do you think the 24-70 could also work?
I make wine 😅
Hey James, I currently have a Canon EOS RP with the kit lens and I was wondering what Canon RF lens you recommend for me to start Portrait photography?
Hey Jack, thank you for watching! Depends a little on your budget but here's some suggestions. If you have the kit lens I would probably go for a versatile prime. I'm actually testing out the RF 50mm 1.8 right now and if budget is an issue that's a great addition to get some extra bokeh in your portraits. For a little more though, the RF 35mm 1.8 is one of my favourites for environmental portraits, it's a very good lens and has better image quality than the cheaper 50mm 1.8. I've heard the 85mm f2 is great too, but on the higher end I would highly recommend the RF 50mm 1.2. It's incredible and versatile. Hope that helps a bit, so many great options to choose from!
@@JamesReader Thank you so much i think I'll go for the 50mm 1.2!
For indoor studio photography with strobes and backdrops which lens would you recommend 24-70 or 28-70?
does 2.0 aperture make any difference when it comes to indoor studio photography?
(Considering I might never shoot at 2.0)
I would recommend the 24-70. I don’t think the 2.0 would ever be worth it with strobes, I’m usually shooting between f5.6-f11.
@@JamesReader Thanks for Your advice. 🙏
Hi - Mention of the IS non IS comparison - was the IS switched of on the 24-70 to compare. .
Hi Terry - The 24-70 had IS turned on
Canon RF 28-70 F2 is just a little bit better but its not night and day. I think for portraits its fine if you want the Canon RF 28-70 F2. But for weddings I might go with the Canon RF 24-70 F2.8 sometimes at a wedding you might really need the 24mm. Sometimes you need ultra wide at weddings its rare but it happens.
Having the EF 24-70/F2.8II lens, not sure if the RF would 'gain' me much... that 28-70/F2.0 probably would, but that price ... man....
Bit 'low' on cash thought, since I just received my R3.... so I think I stick for now with my 'old' EF glass...
thanks for sharing your opinion!
The issue of filters should not be underestimated. The large 92mm lens makes it difficult to install inexpensive filters.
Hi, which lens is batter for rhythmic ghymastic shooting you think. f2 or f2.8 thanks
For any indoor action the F2 would be the best bet.
I just shoot weddings and senior pictures for high school. Just got a R5 body and need a lens. Should it be the rf28-70?
I think that would be an amazing first lens for that purpose.
I have RF 24-70 and RF 70- 200 is amazing
combination tks for the information !
Such a good combo! Thanks for watching.
Why are the pictures on the 2.8 coming out contrasty?
Great video !
Thank you!
Best comparison around
Thank you!
Great review. It’s difficult choice for me, I’m moving from Nikon D7200 to Canon R6 MII and prefer to have one lens and I’m not professional photographer but I love Bokeh and Sharpness (doesn't have to be at prime level) in my photos mostly family events and portrait. With only $500 price difference between two lenses money is not an issue. Any recommendation considering size of the lens not weight?
If purely for photo go for the 28-70. You can’t go wrong with either but if you’re going to go with one lens then I feel the 28-70 makes a lot of sense. Versatile, sharp, fast focusing and good in low light whilst giving you a prime like rendering. As long as you don’t mind the size and weight! It’s very front heavy.
Hi James. I d love you to review the new RF 135 L 1.8 lens. I’m pretty impressed but how about you ?
Hi Robert! Looks like an amazing lens. As soon as it’s available in the UK I’m going to compare it against the 85 1.2.
Thanks for the video 😊
Thank you for watching
The killer for me is the weight of the lens. The 28-70 is just too heavy to be lugging around all day. The weight is an additional pound heavier than the 24-70, and about 12 ounces heavier than the 70-200. Carry it around for an afternoon, and you will get a workout. Given the incredibly good ISO performance of an R5 or R6, I can live with the increased lighting needs. The first time a client says to me, "I wish you had used your 28-70 lens instead of that dreadful 24-70 lens", I will consider the purchase of a 28-70.
R8 + 24-70 mm F2.8 or R5 + 24-105 mm F4 ... what's better and more compact plus maybe one prime lens?
What kind of things do you shoot? Tough choice.
Just travel photos and videos and photos of family and friends and a few time-lapse movies. I don't know if the IBIS of the R5 is a big deal, when e.g. third party 85 mm leness had no IS for portrait shots.
Am often missed factor is the faster shutter lower iso you can achieve with a bigger aperture.
Sir I have a question...
For a RF 28-70 2.0 on a FF camera.
is the Background Blur at 70mm 2.0 greater than the Background blur at 28mm 2.0 ?
or is it same or less.
(at Same distance between the background and the subject and the camera.)
You will get much more background blur at 70mm.
Hello.
I'm a little undecided RF 85 mm / RF 28-70 mm what do you think.
Very hard choice - what other lenses do you currently own? And what kind of photography do you do?
@@JamesReader body r6 m 2 / sigma 35 mm art wedding engagement portrait car product family children 1-2 years baby
Really great video man i wish you all the best. Man one question pls will the prime lens 35 mm rf 1.8 will be sharper than the 24-70 rf at 35 mm ?
Thank you Omran! The RF 24-70 is sharper if both are wide open, but the RF 35mm 1.8 stopped down to 2.8 is just as good!
@@JamesReader thanks alot james good luck man 😍😍😍
Which do you think would take better photographs of an indoor volleyball game.
Both would be great, but the extra stop of light from the 28-70 would be great for indoor sports. It will allow you to use a higher shutter speed to freeze the action whilst keeping your ISO lower.
@@JamesReader Thanks. What about video as the RF 28 - 70 is not stabilized? But I am considering the R3 and it does have stabilization.
@@francisdrelling4060 I personally found that the 24-70 was better suited to video with it's optical stabilization. I got quite a lot of micro jitters with the 28-70 on my R5 footage. I imagine if you rig up your camera it will reduce this but I find the 24-70 to be the almost perfect video lens for full frame.
Yes, it did help. I expect I'll make the leap and get the 28-70.
Great choice!
It was great reviews , Which leans do u recommend to buy , 24-70 or 50mm ?
A hard choice - I went with the 50mm first. But if it's going to be your only lens the 24-70 is very versatile.
The 28-70 has that 3d pop! Gives the impression that the background is a little farther away.