Honestly as much as I made fun of him during his villain arc, seeing him mellow out in the epilogue and coming to terms with everything easily solidifies him as one of the best characters in the game. Great development all around.
That's because Kieran never wanted Ogerpon for himself. He was fine with letting her go back to her cave. It's when she wants to join us that he objects. He just wanted to prevent us, the liar and traitor, to get her, because in his eyes we don't deserve it. But just like with Terapagos, he's fine with us having her since his trust in us is restored now.
Actually, it specifically means romantic love, which along with Kieran’s tingly feeling when we call him our friend points to him having a crush on the player
he even asks to trade like it was a fckin date or something, and we probably beat the crush out of him with all those battles in teal mask but carnine did say he was all googly eyes towards us and wouldnt stop talking about us
And Geeta playing subtle wingwoman with her small "strong ties to you" comment at the end there lol. I know she's likely just saying Kieran's already got connections and she also said that for Carmine, but one can dream :3
It's takes a lot of guts for Kieran finally decided to give up on Ogerpon. Entrusted her safety to player. Still I wish I could just give her to Kieran. He totally deserve it. I mean I managed to capture a dozen of legendary but this one deserve to Kieran.
@@elizabethkblanco4620It's not like we players respected the feelings of those 24 legendary Pokémon we caught in Paldea even though they were just minding their own business. Same goes for Meloetta, who was just happily singing and dancing in the Terrarium and yet we didn't hesitate to interrupt her and capture it. And I'm certain that the people who chose not to capture Meloetta after unlocking her did it because they didn't want to interrupt her lovely melody and not because they respect her feelings. We're also definetely denying Ogerpon's feelings in a few years from now, as we're gonna forever separate her from the SV protagonist, who she chose to be with, when we transfer her to future games.
When Carmine was asking about our relationship with Kieran, he was standing right next to her in my game. Those moments in the league club crack me up. Especially given that it's almost in-character for miss no-tact 🤣😂
I have a feeling that in Pokémon Masters, Kerian and Shiny Ogerpon are going to be a sync pair. Eusine and Shiny Suicune are a sync pair. We just have to wait and see.
Would be good to see all the dialogue from the characters included in the 2nd DLC league room. (I only ever really paid attention to Grusha and Rika, but still.) Appreciate all the time you’ve put into these videos
Why would you ever try to give Ogerpon away after how unhealthily Kieran obsessed over her to the point he kidnapped another legendary and sicced it on you
Because I just sent her straight to the PC after I captured her and never used her since, essentially leaving her alone again. After Kieran calmed down, I know he'd treat Ogerpon far better than I'll ever be able to. That said, I personally would not give him Ogerpon even if the game let me do it. I'm too much of a completionist to give Ogerpon away. Besides, in a few years from now, we're all gonna transfer our respective Ogerpon to future Pokémon games, which will permanently remove her from the SV protagonist's side, the person she chose to be with. ...And didn't most of us just kidnap 24 legendary Pokémon that were just minding their own business in Paldea? Even I felt a little bad to interrrupt Lugia chilling in the sea!
imagine screwing up reading a character THAT badly… - Kieran’s obsession with Ogerpon isn’t anything bad or unhealthy. It’s more of a coping mechanism for him feeling like an outcast, as he can relate to its story. He only wants to be her friend, nothing more or wrong about that. He even offered to let her live with him if he ever met her one day. (Until the misunderstanding of you breaking his trust and going behind his back to befriend her, and the game constantly making him look like he’s to blame instead of anyone at least trying to help him.) - He did NOT kidnap Terapagos. He caught it just like any other Pokémon. It wasn’t even yours, it’s like a baby animal seeing its mother for the first time, of course it started walking to you since you’re the first thing it sees since however long it’s been sleeping. He didn’t even force you to battle after catching it either, it was Briar who suggested it + he gave you preparation time.
@@kieranpleaseforgivemeWhile this is true, I’d still argue that Kieran’s character development hinges on him not getting Ogerpon, and coming to terms with the fact that he will never have Ogerpon.
I say Unova; her dialogue with Lacey implies she has at least been to Unova once. That is when she makes a big scene and wants to fight Clay, who finds the thing humorous (due to having battles with trainers like Nemona a lot), but her parents (most likely) had a different reaction and are embarrassed by her. So what if she had lived there until her rents basically let her be hands-off in Paldea and just became hyper-fixated as a Pokeballer to cope with the feeling of her parents essentially ditching her. Perhaps Lentimas Town was where she was born since it's basically New Mexico in the Pokemon World, and she is clearly a Latina.
You gotta play the epilogue, then you can invite the three friends from Paldea while Carmine and Kieran will automatically hang out in the club room, like the e4 members
It could also be the player character from when we did crispins challange. In my game the 'guy' was refered to as a goddess of spicyness. ( I played as a girl and in a different language)
Yah he is referring to Crispin since we're the ones that had to gather the ingredients in the blueberry pokemon league challenge for Crispin and make him a super spicy sandwich to pass the challenge in order to battle him after
I’ll be honest, can’t really stand Nemona. One of my least favorite characters in the franchise. But that’s not because I think she’s a bad character, if anything she’s really well made. Just… reminds me a bit too much of myself. Hyperfixating on one subject and making it (at least look like) all you care about is something I’m trying hard to fight off, and being reminded of it is not fun. But I don’t hold it against her, and even if I did this rival cast is still one of, if not the best in the series. …don’t know why I’m sharing this here, just felt like I needed to get it out somewhere.
We all gotta vent sometimes.... Even against ourselves... You're good mah friend, just keep on working at your faults, just remember you'll never truly be rid of them but as long as you're trying and that's clear to yourself you're doing well!
I think it makes me like her more. I have the same problem (ironically with Pokémon) and I think it’s so cool that a character exists that’s just like me (and is also cute AF) in that franchise.
It’s shocking that Kieran says Ogerpon would be happier with us, the player than him. He likes Ogerpon a lot…
He’s a kid grown up scared and timid. Stories give him hope and a rival to help him grow stronger
Honestly as much as I made fun of him during his villain arc, seeing him mellow out in the epilogue and coming to terms with everything easily solidifies him as one of the best characters in the game. Great development all around.
I love the growth he got and it also show he truly cares for ogrepon he just wasn’t in the right mental state back then.
That's because Kieran never wanted Ogerpon for himself. He was fine with letting her go back to her cave.
It's when she wants to join us that he objects. He just wanted to prevent us, the liar and traitor, to get her, because in his eyes we don't deserve it.
But just like with Terapagos, he's fine with us having her since his trust in us is restored now.
Yeah, but he's grown. He just checks in to make sure she's doing okay. That's wholesome~
8:31 you had a freaking MISSION
My reaction to this is the Darth Vader NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Didn't even hesitate.
XD my dude didn't even hesitate to trade away Ogerpon
@@Sonario648neither would I i had a challenge for the WHOLE game to only use quadped pokemon so i couldn't use it so away to Kieran it would have got
in galar giving someone an applin meant you really care about them. if it’s the same it kitakami, i’ll be in tears
oh my god i didnt even think about that! just makes that interaction even sweeter
Actually…giving someone an applin means you like them romantically 🤔I think
Actually, it specifically means romantic love, which along with Kieran’s tingly feeling when we call him our friend points to him having a crush on the player
@@Xuphilo_CHSMAmarys won’t like that!
🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
20:00 It was at that moment when Nemona finally found her new home away from home
Kieran playing with his hair and looking away from the player is so cuuuute, my baby has a crush... Applins are for confessing love after all...
Mochi Carmine was the best part of the epilogue 😂
Intense Hand Shaking Carmine moment
DELET DIS!
...wait Kieran gives you an Applin. I know this isn't Galar but- DOES THE RUMOR STILL HOLD TRUE?!
it has to be a person you like, but if you think that kieran romantically likes the player then yes it applies
WAIT I JUST NOTICED THAT HAHA
LOOK AT HIS BODY LANGUAGE
he even asks to trade like it was a fckin date or something, and we probably beat the crush out of him with all those battles in teal mask but carnine did say he was all googly eyes towards us and wouldnt stop talking about us
And Geeta playing subtle wingwoman with her small "strong ties to you" comment at the end there lol. I know she's likely just saying Kieran's already got connections and she also said that for Carmine, but one can dream :3
Lol does anyone else notice the presence of some subconscious feelings for the player character in either Arven’s or Kieran’s dialogue
You could said the same thing to Rita and Geeta. They both respect the player strength and bond of Pokemon
I feel like what they are missing now is Mixed double battles like with SS, I would love to team up with my homie Larry
I wished Larry team had some more Pokémon. I love altaria but I wished it was stronger stat wise and oinklange is meh..
Imagine a battle against nemona and Kieran at the same time
i think the teams represent their personalities so they pokemon they use describe them as a character
Not being able to trade Ogerpon to Kieran is just plain cruelty
Well his character growth is partly about letting go of that obsession.
You can't trade any legendaries or shinies with them.
It's more of an idiot filter to prevent people from giving away valuable Pokemon.
@@davidstinger1134 its sad litterly everyone that played this game wanted to give him ogerpon......game freak just doenst want too see kieran happy
@@abzoluterennix477I never did
I never did either, Ogerpon did choose me in the end, and Kieran overcoming his obsession with Ogerpon was part of his character arc
It's takes a lot of guts for Kieran finally decided to give up on Ogerpon. Entrusted her safety to player. Still I wish I could just give her to Kieran. He totally deserve it. I mean I managed to capture a dozen of legendary but this one deserve to Kieran.
Except doing so will so mean denying Ogrepon’s feelings and he now respects her choice.
@@elizabethkblanco4620It's not like we players respected the feelings of those 24 legendary Pokémon we caught in Paldea even though they were just minding their own business. Same goes for Meloetta, who was just happily singing and dancing in the Terrarium and yet we didn't hesitate to interrupt her and capture it. And I'm certain that the people who chose not to capture Meloetta after unlocking her did it because they didn't want to interrupt her lovely melody and not because they respect her feelings.
We're also definetely denying Ogerpon's feelings in a few years from now, as we're gonna forever separate her from the SV protagonist, who she chose to be with, when we transfer her to future games.
@@luciacamacho444If and when she'll be compatible with future games.
@@luciacamacho444 There's always alternative save file Ogerpon
@@nottomiokagiyu9830 So you're creating an alternate universe just so take Ogerpon away from the PC of that universe, who she chose to be with
When Carmine was asking about our relationship with Kieran, he was standing right next to her in my game. Those moments in the league club crack me up. Especially given that it's almost in-character for miss no-tact 🤣😂
I have a feeling that in Pokémon Masters, Kerian and Shiny Ogerpon are going to be a sync pair. Eusine and Shiny Suicune are a sync pair. We just have to wait and see.
they better be or ill personally show up on pokemons doorsteps
This Epilogue is hilarious
Would be good to see all the dialogue from the characters included in the 2nd DLC league room. (I only ever really paid attention to Grusha and Rika, but still.)
Appreciate all the time you’ve put into these videos
Heh. Jubilife Village.
I need to finish legends arceus.
Ya same but HOW?!?!
can you make a video on all the reccomendations to geeta?
Unfortunate seeing that you can’t give ogerpon to kieran
Why would you ever try to give Ogerpon away after how unhealthily Kieran obsessed over her to the point he kidnapped another legendary and sicced it on you
Because I just sent her straight to the PC after I captured her and never used her since, essentially leaving her alone again.
After Kieran calmed down, I know he'd treat Ogerpon far better than I'll ever be able to.
That said, I personally would not give him Ogerpon even if the game let me do it. I'm too much of a completionist to give Ogerpon away.
Besides, in a few years from now, we're all gonna transfer our respective Ogerpon to future Pokémon games, which will permanently remove her from the SV protagonist's side, the person she chose to be with.
...And didn't most of us just kidnap 24 legendary Pokémon that were just minding their own business in Paldea? Even I felt a little bad to interrrupt Lugia chilling in the sea!
imagine screwing up reading a character THAT badly…
- Kieran’s obsession with Ogerpon isn’t anything bad or unhealthy. It’s more of a coping mechanism for him feeling like an outcast, as he can relate to its story. He only wants to be her friend, nothing more or wrong about that. He even offered to let her live with him if he ever met her one day. (Until the misunderstanding of you breaking his trust and going behind his back to befriend her, and the game constantly making him look like he’s to blame instead of anyone at least trying to help him.)
- He did NOT kidnap Terapagos. He caught it just like any other Pokémon. It wasn’t even yours, it’s like a baby animal seeing its mother for the first time, of course it started walking to you since you’re the first thing it sees since however long it’s been sleeping. He didn’t even force you to battle after catching it either, it was Briar who suggested it + he gave you preparation time.
@@luciacamacho44425 and yes. But hey, at least we got some good tunes out of it
@@kieranpleaseforgivemeWhile this is true, I’d still argue that Kieran’s character development hinges on him not getting Ogerpon, and coming to terms with the fact that he will never have Ogerpon.
@@kieranpleaseforgiveme Let's not forget that he used a fucking MASTER BALL, which is the most unethical pokeball.
This music is from Legends Arceus
How do I get to this? I want to see Carmine begging us to delete the video of her dancing for myself.
Get the DLC finish it get the the peacha berry thing from the mystery gift and finish the epilogue and then you can talk to the characters
Crispin is Brock son lol he even has the drying pan 😂
Lousy Three. xD
Why does this area re-use Jubilife Village's theme from Legends: Arceus?
Yall please tell me I’m not reaching but is that PLA music I’m hearing?? Is this a subtle hint that a Legends sequel is coming? 😁
Sorry to burst your bubble, but there's an option in the League Room to change the room's music, and Jubilife Village happens to be one such option.
22:06 So… where WAS Nemona originally from?
Typical answer
Kanto
She had paldea variants at the beginning
Must be kind of home using those
Given her skin tone, probably from Gen 10's region, and I hope it's Greece or Italy.
@@azazel166
....Has she been speaking Italian this whole time?
Bitch I thought she was speaking Spanish....
No shot she's been speaking Italian this whole time....
I say Unova; her dialogue with Lacey implies she has at least been to Unova once. That is when she makes a big scene and wants to fight Clay, who finds the thing humorous (due to having battles with trainers like Nemona a lot), but her parents (most likely) had a different reaction and are embarrassed by her.
So what if she had lived there until her rents basically let her be hands-off in Paldea and just became hyper-fixated as a Pokeballer to cope with the feeling of her parents essentially ditching her.
Perhaps Lentimas Town was where she was born since it's basically New Mexico in the Pokemon World, and she is clearly a Latina.
How unlock carmine and keiran for the league club room
You gotta play the epilogue, then you can invite the three friends from Paldea while Carmine and Kieran will automatically hang out in the club room, like the e4 members
What is this room?
whats the music called in this video?
Jubilife Village from Legends Arceus.
@@nightking8764 thanks! 🤭
Lol i gave nemona a dragonite too
I gave her a luvdisc.
I wonder who the guy is that Arven is talking about. It's not Crispin, is it?
It's absolutely Crispin, Arven says the guy gives away super spicy sandwiches, which is same kind Crispin loves making.
@@caiusdrakegaming8087 Hear me out... It's totally clive! He probably studies here too!
It could also be the player character from when we did crispins challange. In my game the 'guy' was refered to as a goddess of spicyness. ( I played as a girl and in a different language)
Yah he is referring to Crispin since we're the ones that had to gather the ingredients in the blueberry pokemon league challenge for Crispin and make him a super spicy sandwich to pass the challenge in order to battle him after
I’ll be honest, can’t really stand Nemona. One of my least favorite characters in the franchise.
But that’s not because I think she’s a bad character, if anything she’s really well made. Just… reminds me a bit too much of myself. Hyperfixating on one subject and making it (at least look like) all you care about is something I’m trying hard to fight off, and being reminded of it is not fun.
But I don’t hold it against her, and even if I did this rival cast is still one of, if not the best in the series.
…don’t know why I’m sharing this here, just felt like I needed to get it out somewhere.
We all gotta vent sometimes.... Even against ourselves... You're good mah friend, just keep on working at your faults, just remember you'll never truly be rid of them but as long as you're trying and that's clear to yourself you're doing well!
I think it makes me like her more. I have the same problem (ironically with Pokémon) and I think it’s so cool that a character exists that’s just like me (and is also cute AF) in that franchise.
Not really a take I understand, but hey, to each their own
Some people hate their reflection, and sometimes you don't find such a thing in a mirror.
Though I can't relate cause that's why I love Nemona
First first comment 😅
First reply
Sorry
You’re not my best friend, Arven. You’re like best friend number four to me.
Ouch
💀 rip Arven
Same my list is:
Kieran
Penny
Nemona
Arven
And no one else
Did you just try to give the ogre to kieran🫨
We bet most of us would do the same😂. Kinda sucks the game won't allow us
The game literally HATES kieran