Black Panther Party Leader Rates 6 Black Panther Party Scenes In Movies | How Real Is It? | Insider

[@leighrobertson1291]

The documentary "The Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution" is probably the most accurate film to watch about the Party's history - it has lots of interviews of former Panthers and historic footage. No way is Hollywood ever gonna really portray them accurately

[@reimourrpower9357]

"Vanguard" was excellent and educational for me. Though Ms. Brown had very pointed problems with how the Black Panther Party and her herself was presented in the documentary. Reportedly the director did not present Ms. Brown in an accurate light.

[@stephonboykin9761]

I liked the documentary initially until I notice Elaine Brown was nowhere to be found and they purposely left her out. Therefore, I cannot respect it.

[@Gala-yp8nx]

It really doesn’t help that the BPP was Black supremacist Adjacent for part of its history.

[@raytree]

@@stephonboykin9761this is the Chicago chapter primarily about Fred Hampton

[@UncleOso]

You never know how wrong the information you’re given is until someone involved tell you about it

[@letnanmindipko762]

Right on brother

[@ProfVRandall]

And even then it may be factually inaccurate. The Vietnam war didn't start with Johnson. It started in the 1950's and escalated under Johnson.

[@mankytoes]

She's hardly a neutral source. Basically, she is saying the Party she was in was brilliant and there was nothing negative about it. Do you really believe there was no gender conflict? In the late 60s/early 70s? Come on.

[@kyleduddleston4123]

Kinda like the Fauci email leaks.

[@leovaccari1230]

The saddest thing is that all this men and women that are giving us an direct testimony are getting old and sooner or later we are going to lost these witness leaving all the history to be told in the wrong hands.

[@notlobparrot3057]

I'm astonished Elaine Brown was willing to do something so frivolous, but I'm grateful for the chance to hear her speak and clear the record.

[@Maazzzo]

It's not frivolous BECAUSE she can speak and clear the record. How Black Panthers have been portrayed in film and television has been a big impact on what people think of as the Black Panthers. Elaine is there to set it right. I love that.

[@notlobparrot3057]

@@Maazzzo Well put. I only meant frivolous as in the entire "Let's get someone to react to movies" genre of internet videos. They usually don't go beyond "breezy and fun" and it was quite sobering to see one about a serious, meaningful topic.

[@sadem1045]

@@notlobparrot3057 There is a whole subsection of RUclips where historians, survivalists, forensic experts, etcetera watch film and TV show clips that portray the work they do and educate viewers while they do it. I would suggest watching the Wired videos featuring a dialect coach named Erik Singer and LegalEagle's video about Legally Blonde and going from there. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

[@notlobparrot3057]

@@sadem1045 Oh...I am a HUGE Erik Singer-head. 🤓

[@accidental-life]

Anyone gets old and needs attention.

[@stephonboykin9761]

You got to love and respect Chairman Elaine Brown! This is why we have to understand that we cannot use historical fiction films as a source of reference when it comes to learning about history. It is always best to READ primary materials and consult scholarship about history. You can also watch vintage footage and interviews with witnesses of actual events along with reading.

[@theaggrotravelersbucketlis5470]

Read Chairman Mao's books like your pioneers, unite and grab your guns to fight. Parade does not help. Revolution is not inviting someone to dinner; it is not making an essay;it is not painting and embroidering. It cannot be so elegant, so leisurely, so gentle, so courteous and courteous. A revolution is an insurrection, a violent act by which one class overthrows another.

[@robertmatthews9650]

I don’t think we’ll ever get an accurate portrayal of the Black Panther party from Hollywood.

[@lampad4549]

Yeah cause nobody knows the accurate version including this lady, its like trying to ask a conservative or democrat to rate how accurate it is, as if they are not unbiased in their approach.

[@robertmatthews9650]

@@lampad4549 I think the only ones people would accept their critique on these is from Huey Newton himself if he were alive or Bobby Seale.

[@lampad4549]

@@robertmatthews9650 even they would be biased especially Huey Newton.

[@tarrah662]

Correct.

[@davidholaday2817]

We may yet. We may yet.

[@jalabi99]

Sister Elaine brought 14 minutes & 42 seconds of STRAIGHT FIRE and burned all these Hollywood depictions to a crisp!

[@AkriteChea]

Right she still got it ✊🏿✊🏿✊🏿

[@qirenlu8]

U rock it boy

[@MBVXONIDE]

how can i be a part of this work?

[@mstennille]

Exactly! ✊🏽

[@raytree]

She was an informant

[@Ganiscol]

I think I learned more in these less than 15 minutes about the Black Panther Party than from any movie that depicts it in one way or another.
Even if some of it came across a bit uncomfortable, but who am I to judge what it was like back in the day to be black in America - and the issues havent been fully resolved to this very day, there are clearly as strong opinions as there are feelings in this lady and she doesnt beat around the bush about it.
Would have loved to learn if she has an actual recommendation to make for a movie about that period of the party... probably not, though.

[@appellationsorhai-leeephen4649]

But she already rebutted with what was wrong which could be implied as what there is to fix. Reality!
How typically patriarchal of this mention to fecetiously suggest it is HER ROLE to correct the obvious and conclude by this tone that she was somehow inferiorily inadequate, if not disobediently amiss at providing solutions for a condition still she which affects us and clearly is a concept many can still choose to assess from a distance and choose when to participate. Let me help you out here though, ever heard of insult to injury? Stop speculating and negatively contributing to matters which.......__________(let's play fill in the blanks) *shrug cause at this point it all comes down to INTENT*

[@realmothchu]

@@appellationsorhai-leeephen4649 i feel like u and op r having 2 completely separate conversations

[@tarrah662]

I would recommend reading up on the Party as opposed to seeking out films. Assata Shakur's autobiography, Malcolm X's autobiography, Huey P. Newton's books, Kwame Ture (previously known as Stokely Carmichael), Marcus Garvey, etc. are all great places to start if you want a more honest representation about Black Liberation history.
The Spook Who Sat by the Door is an interesting book and the film is free on youtube.

[@nubbiewubbie7285]

I mean, movies aren’t a great way to learn history, regardless...

[@realmothchu]

@@nubbiewubbie7285 maybe not but it’s the most accessible and easiest way for many people. not everyone has the time, patience, or resources to scour through articles, journals, and books just to learn about a single event

[@hermesson8749]

Dang ik it must be hard to have been a Black Panther and then turn around to see the party showed as something that it wasn’t 😓😓

[@manassembika649]

@thatguy 00 oh no you didn’t

[@Kuba-ib7bd]

@@james_chatman I didn't know that nazi party was fighting oppression.

[@josephprevo8893]

America can fly humans to the moon, it can find ways to redress the injustice of people who toiled on its own land.
The enterprise of slavery that shackled 12.5 million Black individuals, and the succession of anti-Black policies that discriminated against their descendants for generations, are finally being understood for what they are - a stain on the fabric of a nation that has not yet made atonement for its past. At this moment of national introspection, merely learning about the past and apologizing for it is not enough. America must finally settle the debts that it has long owed to Black Americans, and do so with the full faith and credit of the nation that enslaved their ancestors.
The simple fact remains: there cannot be a more perfect union without the payment of reparations. And the time to do so is now.

[@davidpieper95]

Same thing is currently happening with BLM.

[@johndoe-sh6bi]

@@josephprevo8893 sorry bro, but no nation has or ever will properly atone for their sins. There are a lot of nations out there with far worse pasts than America so why dont you go whine about them first. yes slavery was terrible, but you were not a slave and I was not a slave owner. we have equal rights under law, and you free to live as you see fit. when there are blatant examples of racism then by all means lets call it out. Otherwise, quit trying to get free money cuz we both know it would never been seen as enough no matter how much america paid african americans. And please, why dont you put some blame on the africans who sold us their OWN people. where is the blame for them huh? no one even mentions that part ffs. Black people in america have more wealth on average than anywhere else in the world, so quit complaining about getting to live in the greatest country on earth

[@classicwiseguy]

How are people downvoting this? What can you object to? This woman was literally there lol she knows more than you

[@jascrandom9855]

That's probably why. She's not exactly an objective view.

[@classicwiseguy]

@@jascrandom9855 She may not be completely objective but she was there. She’s a firsthand witness. You’re not gonna find a better person to verify the accuracy of something’s portrayal in media than someone who was an integral part of the thing being portrayed. I’d rather have her verify the accuracy of BPP’s portrayal in media than some 25 year old kid who wrote a dissertation on it. She knew those people. If someone made a movie about your uncle, wouldn’t you be a credible person to verify its accuracy? Or, for example, my great grandmother’s experience fighting nazis as a partisan reviewing the portrayal of partisans in movies.

[@jascrandom9855]

@@classicwiseguy I'm just saying why some people are downvoting this.
The thing is, Primary sources like her tend to be Biased.
Would you consider Hitler a credible person to verify the accuracy of a movie about him? No, right.
To Verify the accuracy of something like this you the 10k feet view of things.

[@nvggabxby]

@@prasanththomas3130 I'm guessing yall think the way they were depicted in Hollywood films is an objective view too huh?

[@beam1898]

@@jascrandom9855man stfu, using hitler as analogy is so dumb it doesnt even apply

[@fiorefiore9910]

This made me want to read up more about the Black Panther movement.

[@peterparker8454]

Brace yourself

[@SadisticStang]

Just read everything by Thomas Sowell, even if it's nothing to do with the term "Black Panther" it will teach you all the truths you need to know.

[@perhaps1094]

@@SadisticStang Thomas Sowell adheres to all the caricatures pointed out in this video
He is literally one of the main components of the belief that rights aren’t somehow inherent to our fellow man but earned through the cult of work he idolises above all
He is a smart man but he obviously no interest in fairly portraying the panthers when he has been partisan for years now

[@salb5610]

@@perhaps1094 I mean the man still believes in trickle down economics, clearly he's driven by ideological values than the reality of the world we're living in

[@samuelolivier3792]

In my opinion you absolutely should. I think the two best books for understanding them is revolutionary suicide by Huey P Newton and Fred Hampton’s speeches.

[@tiffanyreene7955]

👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾I love that she ain’t hold back NOTHING! I wish schools taught us more about it and we get an individual ACCURATE Black Panther Party film because they did so much for the community and I didn’t realize so much negative portrayals of the BPP in movies. I was just happy to see them in films because history likes to overlook them.

[@commie_slayer4287]

I know a lot about the time period 60s to late 70s and the black panthers actually did more harm than good where Dr King would have been peaceful and nice when he talked about equality getting his views to a wider audience and making it easier to agree with and understand the black panthers would use force and more often than not spread the ideology that black people are the superior race to any other

[@jermanizer]

@@commie_slayer4287 I know a lot about the 60s/70s and I'd say that the black panther party did more good than harm. your anecdotes mean shit

[@perhaps1094]

@@commie_slayer4287 You obviously didnt watch the video
The black panthers had tons of white and hispanic members because the leader Fred Hampton created the rainbow coalition that was explicitly against racism of any kind, this narrative was literally born from the movies this video debunks
Dr King praised the black panthers consistently throughout his life
When King died he had 68% disapproval among white people, it took several years of whitewashing and turning him into this kumbaya loving conservative protestor
Also the black panthers main goal was defence meaning watching over police interactions to make sure their neigbours werent being harrased
Every major confrontation they were ever involved in was initiated by the fbi firing the first shot

[@nilsdahlin8744]

I can’t agree more, I learned so much misinformation and whitewashes history during early education surrounding this time period and the party in particular and it wasn’t until I started doing my own readings and research into the party that my eyes really started opening up. Understanding the goals and actions of the party, through the eyes of those involved and closely related instead of through a liberalized education, was a big push towards the left for me.

[@theaggrotravelersbucketlis5470]

Read Chairman Mao's books like your pioneers, unite and grab your guns to fight. Parade does not help. Revolution is not inviting someone to dinner; it is not making an essay;it is not painting and embroidering. It cannot be so elegant, so leisurely, so gentle, so courteous and courteous. A revolution is an insurrection, a violent act by which one class overthrows another.

[@ALFirebird]

This deserves way more views

[@oof6471]

I don’t think most people really care

[@KingNerdius]

Then it would've gotten more views

[@internaltacolove8302]

Nobody cares

[@SadisticStang]

Yes, if only so it gets more thumbs down

[@reimourrpower9357]

true so you may share it. I don't expect a activist dismantling major Hollywood films presentations of Black radicals who challanged the very system Hollywood upholds will be that much of a trending topic.

[@JoanRudith]

Again she describes the sexism of the rank and file membership very differently in her book. She recounts experiences early on of being expected to be preparing food instead of being in the discussions with the men. Her memoirs and several others all describe it the same. Among the rank and file members, sexism was rampant, but among the leadership it was very different. There were just as many women in the central committee as men there. And it makes sense for the rank and file members to have been that way. A lot of those men joined to feel important, and often their egos kept them from becoming leadership members. I wonder why she describes it so differently here than she did in her own memoirs.

[@sulaimanhyatt8000]

I was thinking the same thing. there have been multiple accounts of the sexism and and culture supporting cis hetero patriarchy in the party. I thought for a min maybe it just got edited out of this video. And yes Elaine does talk about it in her book Taste of Power.

[@MrNicoleCherie]

I wouldn’t put it past this channel to use cointelpro tactics and imply that there was a rift between the members by not demonstrating the connection between the women’s experiences. They are trying to destroy the movement and their legacy even now.

[@judek1170]

@@sulaimanhyatt8000 Maybe men leading was what kept the party togeter, unlike todays messy movements. Yall want patriarhcy and capitalism when it comes to "protecting bw" and telling bm they need to step up and "build the community". But then when you see it happening you call it "Cis gendered heteropatriarchy". Let alone, that was not even the case, one of the leading black panthers (and woman in this vid if im correct) Angela Davis was a lesbian black woman. Not only did black panthers protect bw, but they made sure not to subjugate them in the process of protecting them, and they allowed them to help lead in their own way. But blackmen doing any leading triggers yall

[@sulaimanhyatt8000]

@@judek1170 peace and blessings to you my family. You have created a false narrative of me, and that is both problematic and violent. I would strongly suggest you dont use the masters tools of relationship making when reaching out to build relationships with me or anyone at that. Hey Angela D was never a black panther. And i dont think she identifies as lesbian. Also its cis hetero patriarchy. Please continue your learning and dig deeper before you respond or write such things again.

[@judek1170]

@@sulaimanhyatt8000 she is lesbian, perhaps bi, she has been married to both women and men. Nonetheless, she was respected, and as said in this vid, the black panther party was had eqaul representation at the leadership level. So the ide that they were a crushing patriarchy is far fetched. They had some hierarchy as that was necessary for organizational purposes, and men where dominant within the hierarchy cus the issues the panthers tackled where do heavily routed in the struggles of bm, so it was only natural men where so prevalent in the movement. That does not mean they were a “Cis hetero patriarchy”

[@thelordsside5100]

Love that she pointed to the 'feel-good' trick of Hollywood using the scene with Oprah in The Butler. I believe she would've enjoyed seeing that witch get knocked out right after. Love how she put Hollywood's view of The Black Panther Party in its rightful place...in the trash!

[@eldridgewoolnough7454]

I’m a middle aged white male from UK. I only know a bit about the Black Panthers because my mum was reading Eldridge Cleaver’s book when she was pregnant with me and named me after him. I read Revolutionary Suicide by Huey P Newton and Seize the Time by Bobby Seale in my twenties in an attempt to enlighten myself. I was, and still am, incredibly moved by their story and I came away with an awe of the Black Panthers. I truly believe they were at the forefront of political thinking and everything they said was spot on. Huey was one of the purest, bravest heroes of our time and Bobby had an eloquence that perfectly captured the spirit and the message of the Party. I thoroughly recommend reading those books to be inspired, educated and informed. Also you will be enraged at the (still) continuing injustices perpetrated by the American state towards citizens whose only crime is to be an unwelcome reminder at how the US stole and pillaged it’s way into wealth

[@tiarezavaleta8850]

Just like the Royal family tbh.

[@niiokweinortey]

But the royal family is not what's in question ATM so your comment is silly

[@oneeco]

I don't believe any of those films anyways, because politics in reality is always much more complicated than any film can demonstrate.

[@bathwaterbuffalo]

Art is not truth, Art is a lie that makes you realize truth

[@noiryork]

Insider really went out and got a BP Party leader to "rate" Hollywood's (aka white elites) depiction of them? All the respect to Elaine for having the strength to sit through this, lol.

[@FriendsWithIssues]

It's good she did, so people know the portrayals we see are wildily inaccurate. People won't read books, but they'll watch videos. And that's why she stomached through it.

[@Kingpetty01]

Jewish

[@Antifrost]

It's unfortunate that videos like this don't get as much attention, but I appreciate the work to dispel the misconceptions made (intentionally or not) about the Black Panther Party.

[@romemiller1504]

Elaine is a maverick !!!!....only sistas representing the "WAP" culture gets the attention . Ms. Brown is Straight , No Chaser 👊🎩🐵🦊🌺✊

[@TheAlps36]

As a non-US citizen, my knowledge of the BPP comes mostly from movies.
It's nice to know they weren't really so loud, violent and hateful and strove to take the high road. I could easily understand if they wanted to lash out and burn a couple of buildings or something

[@unapologeticallyme2060]

Even if they were, that should be understood considering the times.

[@lampad4549]

Yeah your learning that from the most unbiased source.

[@LeoMes01]

Oh quite the opposite. They had a whole rainbow coalition of oppressed peoples. Huey Newton talked about allying with the women's and gay liberation movements

[@ivyreid7]

Lol if you really “cared” you’d do some research....

[@SadisticStang]

If that's what you took from it, then you really are an uninformed outsider, because you're also wrong..way wrong. All you need to know is, they are marxists, and ungrateful anti -American free loaders. If they really cared about their 'community' they'd have ditched the Democratic party decades ago, and stopped accepting the welfare state. You want to know about blacks in the west and the party? Read anything from Thomas sowell, even if it's not about the organization directly - you'll learn all you need to.

[@AliMarie022]

I respect her viewing of those films. When i watched Judas & the Black Messiah, I saw the informant guy characterised more like the bad guy who was being convinced by Chairman Fred that the Black Panther's cause was more important, like it was a lens from outside in convincing a skeptic of the value of the causes the party championed and eorked hard towards, but not fully being able to realise that potential before he made the ultimate betrayal, and the police conducted their murder of Fred.

[@bathwaterbuffalo]

yeah it seems she just resented the film being about O'neill as much as Hampton

[@JoanRudith]

That’s the one where I find myself in disagreement with Elaine Brown. The movie was really about William O’Neal. It was about his dilemma, his inner conflict, his duality and his betrayal. That’s why it was called Judas and The Black Messiah. It was more about the Judas. With that said, one of my first thoughts after seeing it was also that Fred’s character almost seemed one dimensional. Which is a shame because he was dynamic and complex, especially for a 22 year old.

[@MarissaMariexx]

I think her entire point is that it is insulting to give a traitor as much attention as the dynamic and beloved leader who was organizing for the greater good. the film should not be trying to emphasize the informant’s “duality” which makes one almost feel sorry for him. the informant, as far as I’ve seen in interviews of him, has never said that he was interested in joining the black panther party in their efforts, but that he simply witnessed that they were targeted and described as violent terrorists when in actuality they were only community organizing. the film portrayed it as an inner war for him, when he has stated that he does not regret being an informant- he only felt bad that the information he gave (an explicit map of fred’s apartment, including specifically where fred’s bedroom located) led to a violent murder. he acknowledges that the government was out to get this “threat” and was suddenly going to act naive about outcomes (he knew what he was doing as an informant). she’s right- they are seen as “equal” in highlighting that they are both experiencing a struggle when that was certainly not the case in this situation. he does not deserve the narrative he was given- his perspective isn’t relevant.

[@MarissaMariexx]

as she should. creating a movie centered around the perspective of an accomplice to an assassination is wild. should not even be considered regarding fred hampton.

[@edwardgeorge5584]

​@@MarissaMariexx honestly i'd rather see a film about the perspective of a traitor informant forced to participate in an assassination of a leader he came to admire and his inner conflicts over a one-dimentional "good vs bad" typical hollywood biopic about hampton showing what a great guy he was and how bad the cops and fbi are. if people want that type of film they should try to get a documentary made, or maybe there is great potential in looking into his character a bit more, i dunno. but when it comes to great cinematic storytelling, the people on the sidelines are often the most intriguing and can put forth some of the most interesting ideas and themes, even if they don't "deserve" a film made about them. plenty great films are made about pretty horrible or insignificant people who are surrounded by people who "deserve" the attention more but that doesn't make them any less great, including this one

[@Maazzzo]

Elaine Brown was SO interesting. I'd love to see her back for more!

[@swacfan100]

She didn't hold anything back and I'm so glad she basically called Hollywood out on the B.S. portrayal of The Black Panther Party. I thank them so much for their courage and strength.

[@NotSure109]

They're evil people who have no place in society.

[@bluetrailerproductions7488]

​@@NotSure109neo nazis and kkk are evil people of society.
The Black Panthers Fought Racism not just for Black People but people of any color

[@YangaNkonki]

I’m sad she didn’t enjoy Judas and the Black Messiah. Having watched it, I definitely didn’t see it as them being equated. It was a movie with a villain-protagonist. He had more screen time, but that’s like Infinity War showing Thanos more - it’s kind of the villain’s story. I felt no sympathy or respect for that character, whereas Fred Hampton, I felt heaps of respect for. It also showed the brutality of the police force, their irrational fear and racism.
Maybe he was one-dimensional to someone who knew the man personally, but I certainly don’t think O’Neal was made to look like an equal.
I do wish they cast younger people, since Hampton was 21 when he died, and O’Neal 17 when he was found by the FBI. It may have made things a bit clearer. But at the same time it’d be hard to find actors who could bring the gravitas needed for those roles at that age.

[@perhaps1094]

He was one dimensional in the sense that a lot of his speeches were very vague
Power to the people is good and all but the most popular thing he ever said was ‘we will fight capitalism with socialism’ in most speeches he let his political beliefs be known and the movies to length’s to dumb down the ideological side into the typical populist rhetoric and avoid the fact that they were explicit marxists at all costs

[@YangaNkonki]

@@perhaps1094 That's understandable. I felt moved by his portrayal and by his struggle.
As I mentioned in the comment though, the one-dimensionality isn't something I could really argue, since I never knew him personally or saw any speeches. Sorry if that was unclear.
I was commenting on the fact that she saw him as being second to O'Neal or saw O'Neal as being made equal to him.

[@Ninkira]

I think if we had a lot more (or any) good representation of the Black Panther movement it wouldn't be so egregious of a misstep. I see where you're coming from because that is how I enjoy the movie, but I see from her perspective it is like someone dipping their toe in the water. She's seeing the movie from the sky view perspective, and grading it as such. And I have to agree- it felt afraid to really *commit* to Fred's ideals, or that the filmmakers weren't well educated on the subjects or believed. There's still this overall feeling of making it somewhat palatable for white audiences

[@toontrooper4103]

That may be the story but the problem comes in that there is little accurate representation of the party, so everything is criticized with that in mind.

[@lordfarquaad3996]

@@perhaps1094 Idk what Fred Hampton speeches youve heard, but the movie literally took different parts from his most famous speeches and basically copy pasted them into the movie. I dont think they "dumbed down" his ideology at all. In fact from all the Fred Hampton speeches I've seen on youtube, there really isnt much at all that they left out of the movie.

[@reimourrpower9357]

Salutes Chairwoman Elaine Brown for your clear and uncompromising interpretation of the mishandling of the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense's message & image in film. Blessings to John Huggins (pictured on the wall over Ms. Brown's right shoulder) and all those who fought for our rights & freedom.

[@FleaOnPeanut]

Love this. A Black Panther calling out the inaccuracies and melodramatic disingenuousness of Hollywood clumsily trying to portray the Black Panthers is gold. Best thing I’ve seen all year. Let’s make this a series.

[@abrahamblankfein5042]

Yeah, Hollywood should be more generous to an organisation known to torture its members to death.

[@ronnellrandle569]

@@abrahamblankfein5042this post tells me a lot u probably someone who defends the government even tho the beat and killed members of the black panthers and broke in killed Fred in his sleep when he was bringing together all people white hispanics and gays to fight the oppression

[@asanitheafrofuturist]

That Forrest Gump scene really rubbed me the wrong way when I rewatched that movie as an adult

[@bawkray]

good for you! 😂

[@rahthesgod2198]

They asked her to give her opinion on it and she’s giving it. Respect

[@brittanylevinson741]

Love her take on this. Much more important to have a contemporary account of the reality vs the Hollywood portrayal which obviously didn’t have the Black voices choosing what should be depicted and said. I hope this change comes immediately.

[@SadisticStang]

They could start by not making the films and wasting everyone's time

[@jamestopic2880]

It’s funny how she’s complaining about how Insider is having her rank the scenes. 2:18

[@paulkim8539]

Admirable that Insider kept this sentiment in the video

[@sadem1045]

I think it's more of an observation than a complaint

[@lampad4549]

@@sadem1045 its clearly a complaint, that's basic Marxist thinking.

[@K1ddkanuck]

@@lampad4549 Sure thing Senator McCarthy... keep hunting those reds I guess... Man who opened the time portal back to the 50s again? Another one's gotten lose!

[@charnaeyoung9815]

I really liked this. I learned much about the energy and thought process of the party. Not sure why she was against rating but. Still informative. And it stressed that the party was a unifying party that also held hands with white people. It wasn’t a hate white people party like people try to portray.

[@AhunnayaChidinma]

Because “ranking” really buys into the idea that things always need to be ranked/pedestaled 1. But also because they’re all colonial Hollywood films. They all are a major problem with huge historical inaccuracies and ulterior motives. I think this is what she stresses through out the interview

[@Hr-dy1xv]

Shutup

[@stephonboykin9761]

There were allies who made donations but make no mistake that the Black Panther was a black autonomous group that was for black people.

[@manman3792]

No, the party was for Black people. As it should be. Make no mistake about it

[@calekeene7998]

I disagree about Judas and the Black Messiah being a 2 dimensional characterization of Fred Hampton. I didn’t know much about Hampton before I saw the movie but I feel like what she described is exactly what the movie shows.
Bill O’neal is included to show how the US government infiltrated, undermined, and ultimately murdered Fred Hampton. I think the movie is a perfect introduction to Fred Hampton and his ideology for a younger generation.

[@jaleelmuhammad9659]

THANK YOU

[@dankthegank4315]

It’s sad that one of the best, one of the most educational, factual, need to know.
“How real is it?”
Video is viewed so little viewed...

[@cainvincentdyer5891]

So true!

[@hexamael9458]

Probably cause lots of people want to avoid the uncomfortable truth that comes with real world issues like race and politics.

[@animeROX08]

Whenever I see a movie involving the black panther party with my mom she always tells me what it was actually like in the 70s. That they were about helping communities, etc. it’s interesting to see how Hollywood still demonizes them, almost to a fantastical degree.

[@NotSure109]

Black panthers were and are evil people who have no place in society.

[@pascalwilson6707]

I love how she joined this format to realy show the world the truth and how hollywood alway manipulated the image of our héroes of not just afro american but even latin american.

[@MasterPokusa]

Eviscerated. Absolutely eviscerated.

[@TenorSaxx]

Thank you Ms. Brown. You have cemented our intentional miseducation that I first realized because of the Throughline podcast. Highly recommended that podcast.

[@ambriaashley3383]

Thanks, I will check that podcast out!

[@AkriteChea]

Ooooo I love when Elaine Brown gets to talking she still got it

[@CTEagleCeltic]

Sister came in SMOKIN!! Hope more people get a chance watch this. ✊🏾❤️

[@AccountWithDumbThoughts]

Best account of the Black Panther Party is the actual writings and videos of speeches. RIP Fred Hampton.

[@exbcso1]

Very easy to see why you were in charge. TY

[@MrTStat]

wow, what an impressive person, really rare to listen to someone with such deep understanding of ideology, and profound belief

[@Kadasberry11]

It’s not rare. Expand your horizons ✌🏾

[@keth8947]

dayum... how on earth did they get ELAINE FREAKING BROWN to do this? This woman is a legend. RUclips, you just have no idea the greatness you are listening to.
🤔

[@DCsWiseMan]

Thank you none of these movies felt genuine or authentic, I felt it in my spirit. Thank you Elaine Brown for setting the record straight

[@tro1955]

Ms Elaine Brown, thank you for your service, knowledge and clarity 🖤

[@Matty002]

bless elaine brown
and thank you insider for giving her the platform

[@mrduckman225]

Make a movie with her as an associate so we can get the real deal

[@whitelabrat]

This was a very good use of this format. Would love to see more of this.

[@kingace6186]

Crazy how Fred Hampton was called radical for advocating for common sense and human dignity. It's crazy how we live in a country were Bernie Sanders is considered radical and Kamala Harris is branded "woke" or whatever. These are no brainer policies.

[@Spills51]

Its crazy to think this lady could be grocery shopping and you would walk past thinking nothing of it...just a senior.
Some people have really fascinating lives and history....cool lol.
I dont think I would wanna debate her though,,,,she strikes me as 'this is how it is' without much openess to anything but that.
thanks for the vid.

[@TheNoticeBlog]

YESSSSS!! Oh, I've been WAITING for a video like this! Thank you!

[@PhantomFelix211164]

Really interesting video, I learnt so much about the Black Panthers that I never would have imagined. I can understand why she doesn't like these movies, because she sees that the films don't do justice to their real life counterparts.

[@vagurl84]

I’d love to see more from Ms. Elaine. I can’t image the things she must have seen and the knowledge she could share with us.

[@ChazMcGutter]

Hollywood will always try to dull the revolutionary edge of the Black Panther Party.

[@wongjefx980]

tbh.. any Hollywood depiction of the BPP would probably be lacking for her... she was there, lived it and was part of it... prob better off asking her to review Marvel's Black Panther than these movies.. of interest might be her insight on the BPP and Civil Rights movement compared to BLM and NFAC now perhaps... read up on Jean Seberg because of this...that is some sad sh1t and no wonder why people paranoid about government...

[@stevestever8907]

Well, that and the fact that the Gov’t hated the Panthers, and spread maaad misinformation about them, like how they were terrorists (they weren’t, they just had to fight against a grossly corrupt and unfair system).
Black Panthers are misrepresented in basically every form of media they’re shown in, at least when it comes to television and film

[@jazziccoolcat]

Kudos to Elaine Brown for standing up for The Black Panthers. Thank you, Elaine!

[@PinkBunnySlipers]

I’m a middle aged white Canadian who works for a governmental organization, and I have to say one thing lady you’re are AWESOME! You articulate your thoughts well with so much passion great video.

[@wilbertdude8947]

ok

[@jermanizer]

@@wilbertdude8947 k

[@SleepyAlbatross]

I guess I can't speak to its accuracy, but I thought Judas and the Black Messiah was a great film. I also don't feel like it made any attempt to portray the two leads as equals, but that is just my opinion.

[@bathwaterbuffalo]

fully agree

[@iamawesomeprods]

I agree completely! I wonder if she fully watched the film! Because if anything it should how bill was all about protecting himself and how apathetic he was as a person. While still uplifting Fred Hampton's legacy. While showing how the black communities get destroyed by having our leaders killed by the government.

[@SleepyAlbatross]

@@iamawesomeprods My thoughts as well. It definitely seemed like she was reacting to the one scene without the greater context of the film.

[@Nikkiflausch]

Good to know the editors actually listened to what she‘s saying and stopped doing the out of ten rating as soon as she says why that‘s stupid

[@sickswitch1387]

It makes me so giddy to see someone like me, black, be so eloquent and forthright. Love it. ❤️

[@FramesPerSecond]

Insider asks her to be in a ranking video and roasts the whole concept of ranking🤣

[@J.5.M.]

She's brilliant, thank you

[@UlrichUlrichson]

I would like to say that I very much appreciated hearing the viewpoint of somebody that was a part of such a powerful and impactful organization that, in modern history of America, is generally looked at as a negative or even violent body of people. I must say that I do not agree with some of the things that were brought up and yet I am extremely happy that there is finally an example of what has been shown as "fact" regarding the Black Panthers is so misleading. So for that I would like to thank you whole heartedly, both the channel for allowing this subject to be addressed and to the wonderful woman that has the courage to stand up and speak on it.
I am a white male, which shouldn't matter but we know it does as a society, and because of my upbringing I was taught to believe that the entire party were the equivalent to domestic terrorists and it wasnt until I was much older and did my due diligence in researching everything I learned growing up. So I would very much love to see a second part to this or another video in a similar format about other groups from history across the US and other countries or even groups at work today.

[@LBFilmsgo]

As an up and coming filmmaker I'm curious as to what kind of film she thinks would best portray the Black Panther Party (other than a documentary) and I'm also wondering to what extent did the filmmakers of the movies she criticized heavily seek insight from people who were actually in the Party and who knew the characters they depicted on a personal level. Such great insight from Elaine Brown. Thank you

[@esthera3923]

Def learned a lot, much respect for Elleane Brown and all former members of thr party

[@andrewsabin729]

I wonder what former members of the Black Panther Party feel about the BLM movement.

[@abrahamblankfein5042]

I suspect they’re upset at the lack of torture-murders and violent assaults, which were always the BPP’s forte.

[@nickking1105]

@@abrahamblankfein5042 here we go again lmaooo

[@scienceium5233]

@@abrahamblankfein5042 kkk member spotted

[@aking2330]

@@abrahamblankfein5042 you so wrong. I wish you took the chance to learn more about the party before you so foolishly commented

[@skullthunder3181]

Angela davis certainly supports it

[@SankofaNYC]

Damn... This was really good... She did a great job at pointing how hollywood warps the idea of the Black Panthers in sooooo many ways, and people of all races and ideologies may eat it up for a variety of reasons and self supporting reasons

[@surgeland9084]

I respect her opinion and I see where she's coming from but it is pretty significant that Judas and the Black Messiah depicts William O'Neal as a piece of human garbage and it takes a very sympathetic view of the Black Panthers. Obviously it's not a perfect portrayal but more of my issues stem from the fact that the movie actually condemns fighting back against the police-or at least taking it "too far". I would have liked to have heard Chairman Elaine's thoughts on the Jake Winters character and why the studio pushed to have him in there.

[@jonathanbudlong6107]

How are people saying that children don’t deserve a right to food like the people trying to fight against free school lunches is just insane

[@BenJosephWorld]

This was an amazing video

[@KingLucy]

Much respect to this queen

[@lampad4549]

She is a liar and fraud most of what she says about the black panther group can be debunked

[@octavia4324]

@@lampad4549 how is she a liar

[@jhde9067]

@@lampad4549 still waiting. How is she a fraud?
And don't bring any of that "Google it" crap.

[@classicwiseguy]

@@lampad4549 how? Explain yourself.

[@jermanizer]

@@lampad4549 bring us the sources and we'll believe you

[@jaleelmuhammad9659]

Amazing and admirable woman. Her first hand insight is very appreciated. But c’mon Judas and the black messiah was a strong movie. She just shitted all over it. Fred was portrayed as an extremely intelligent, powerful, courageous and dedicated man. And the actor who played him did a great job. I understand she doesn’t like highlighting of William O’Neal but him being the main antagonist helped make it a really good film. It’s a movie, not a documentary. I’m grateful for her authentic viewpoints

[@adhamnumair-el8958]

Chairperson Brown certainly clarified what the BPP stood for by dissecting the misinformation that has been indoctrinated by contemporary society especially for those who weren't around during those times. I could never tire of listening to her intimate insight and wisdom as a high ranking BPP member.

[@h77137]

The fact theres a movie and THERE’S MEMBERS in prison to this day! 🤬- make it make sense. Hollywood makes me 😷🤢🤮

[@spawnyboii]

No way ?!? there literally hiding info

[@h77137]

@@spawnyboii a lot. Always inaccurate.

[@appellationsorhai-leeephen4649]

The trick was (and still is) in the application of the title/status "Black" in lawful/legal terms. Ie connotative vs denotative

[@tarrah662]

That part! They could have said that the proceeds would go to political prisoners, but that never happened. They just want ro make a buck off these films.

[@atacoVSgrilledcheese]

there's so much to unlearn with how the black panthers were shown. i wish my schools did a better job. This was enlightening and thought provoking.
i didn't agree with everything she said about judas and the black messiah. i don't think that movie was showing two signs of a coin.

[@The10thManRules]

I love her "in the room when it happened" perspective on the real vs "reel".

[@BrowncoatGofAZ]

It’s “amazing” how much European elitism left it’s mark on this country, and the amount of people who uphold it to this day.

[@rappakalja5295]

Yeah, there is nothing more "elitist" than helping the poorest people of this country defend themselves.

[@BrowncoatGofAZ]

@@rappakalja5295 I’m talking about the blatant racial discrimination we still face today.

[@mistashortstroke443]

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS WOMANS CANDOR!

[@PYRO-gj9sw]

Damn! I liked that movie THE BUTLER but, never thought about it that way. I should’ve known better!

[@PYRO-gj9sw]

ALL gun control laws are racist!

[@yaseen5121]

It's based on a true story though

[@Frank-ro2xh]

"Why dont we put aunt jemimah back on the pancake box"
Thats a black panther right there.

[@SK-fy8dl]

9:01 I disagree with the harsh criticism of Judas and the Black Messiah, which is an amazing movie. The movie is not saying Bill was equivalent to Fred. And the movie is not supposed to be a documentary about Fred. It is about betrayal, complicity, how black people are slaughtered, how black people are trampled bc of white fear, etc. And the movie did do a solid job portraying the Black Panthers and educating people about them.

[@fulanideedee8709]

Auntie burned it to the ground. I knew she was gonna eat Forrest Gump and Seaberg up. On one hand I think that we need movies about the women of the Black Panther Party, but Hollyweird has yet to produce an accurate depiction of them, per Auntie.

[@sk8punk318]

If there was a leader(died in 2001) in the Black Panther Party who absolutely believed in an eye for an eye it was Khalid Abdul Muhammad.

[@reimourrpower9357]

Was Dr. Khalid ever a member of the BPP? Real question because I never heard that...

[@sk8punk318]

@@reimourrpower9357 he definitely was

[@stephonboykin9761]

He was not.

[@sk8punk318]

@@stephonboykin9761 he was

[@stephonboykin9761]

@@sk8punk318 He was an expelled member of the Nation of Islam. That "New Black Panther Party" is NOT by any means the original Black Panther Party of Self Defense. The real party went defunct in 1982. But don't take my word for it; just ask Elaine Brown, Bobby Seale, Erica Huggins, and other members of the original party who are alive today. Or, simply pick up a book and read. Some folks love revisionist history and it shows. Never accept anything less than the truth.

[@randomrangoon5476]

I actually really enjoyed listening to her talk

[@TripleA90000]

Her critique of Judas and the Black Messiah basically amounts to her not liking that they focused more on O'neil than Hampton. And she's perfectly allowed to feel that way, but that what was kinda the whole point of the movie. It was about the treachery.

[@t4lh482]

I ain't black
I'm British Pakistani
But long live the Black Panthers
I stand with the oppressed

[@doobas2171]

Funny coming from a Pakistani

[@t4lh482]

@@doobas2171 in what way is it funny ??

[@jermanizer]

@@doobas2171 racist moment

[@doobas2171]

@@jermanizer how is it racist, there's so much oppression in Pakistan

[@doobas2171]

@@t4lh482 oppression of trans, gay, bi, women, children, and other religions happens in abundance in pakistan and the laws support or ignore it

[@ofsoundmind2687]

I find it odd that she doesn't want to do a "rating" because it's a "western type thing to do" but lives her life, dresses, acts, speaks, presents herself in a WESTERN type fashion.

[@emilyashlin802]

How do you suggest she should dress, act and speak?

[@LiciKai]

Y'all should have known that when you invited Elaine to speak on this issue - you were going to get exactly THIS! Always, my issue with her is that she refuses to acknowledge the misogynoir within the Party. It was present in all of these social justice movements back in the day. Otherwise, I love her.

[@bobbyologun1517]

9:55 I find this astonishing considering Fred Hampton Jr co-signed the movie. He even live streamed from the set.

[@JonHulett]

Thank you for a common sense and balanced review of Party operations.

[@brycemolacek3341]

very informative, love

[@Nevets123]

Probably the best Business Insider video ever, Elaine Brown is dropping truth.

[@cainvincentdyer5891]

Facts 💯

[@abrahamblankfein5042]

She’s whitewashing the appalling behaviour of many Panthers.
The Black Panthers tortured people to death for “ratting on them”. This is hardly the behaviour of an innocent political organisation - it’s gangster behaviour.

[@kristoffersevillena7657]

I want to know what Elaine Brown thinks about A Huey P. Newton Story by Spike Lee.
I met Bobby Seale. He spoke at my school in Maryland. The Black Student Union had invited him. I thought he was very gracious and funny. He signed my copy of Seize the Time. It's one of my most cherished items. When I read it, I had to put it down every five to ten pages because it was so upsetting to read, especially concerning his trial.

[@PhonePhone-mq8nh]

Thank you very much for setting things straight.

[@KagisoMutlaneng]

I loved this soooo much. Mama Elaine came with straight facts and fire.

[@PHlophe]

Kagiso , wena , she uses the word sister. she ain't yo mam. lol!

[@lilcrazyart8306]

Respect for The Black Panther Party 🙏🏾

[@chuckscott-cy7iq]

Maybe she should write her own script about The Party.

[@blusafe1]

Auntie sounds so disappointed :(

[@okoswiata5850]

Wow...! Insider never failed to brighten my day with this experts' opinions. Lol now I need ghost hunters rate ghost hunting scenes

[@Catnip-gc4yy]

Amazing!! Thank you

[@baliking]

I've seen many of these videos. This is by far the best, and I mean by a very wide margin.