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Yeah, but I disagree with his conclusions on Sengoku and Akainu. I doubt they knew much of anything. And Akainu seems to want Vegapunk to explain more and is really angry with the WG.
It used to be neutral and just focused on the chapter when he began, but these days he's mostly concerend about how the story aligns with his theories than the normal explanations and pointing out things anyone who doesn't speak Japanese will miss. Hopefully he's able to separate his chapter insights and his theories
Roger knew the next generation would be the one to solve this problem. That's why he turned himself in, and started the Great Pirate Era. Heck, the way he laughs at the start of the live action version is a telltale sign he knew he won.
I believe one piece is the one continent that was sunk and laugh tale has information how it was sunk why, and how to get it back. The reason roger pirates were to early is pretty simple all the pieces of the plan were not ready yet. Shirahoshi wasnt born yet or was stll and infant, same for momonusuke, and joyboy wasnt present, the nika fruit was fund and eaten by luffy later. Roger died to usher new pirate era, roger pirates were at teh start of grand line, and at the red line with rayleigh. Oden was trying to open wano for joyboy as well.
@@Kenzznz i meant more one piece as in land or world in one piece, and all blue was the sea not the land and yea i agree with that theory, before the sea was split it was connected and was all blue.
@@sgnox7781 Honestly I dont think it would make sense for there be just one land and calling it one piece when the original Joyboy was confirmed to be pirate themselves and there would be no pirates if there is only just 1 land to travel across though it would make even less sense for countless separated islands or maybe continent and still be called one piece
@@sgnox7781 I cant just picture one piece being someone elses dream rather than Luffy tbh. Sanjis dream was all blue and Namis dream was to create a world map. If were leaning towards the future that the red line will be destroyed and the sea levels are going to be dropped making the world seem like how it used to 800 years ago then mapping that would be Nami's dream, no?
It makes complete sense because Luffy's dream and Joyboy's dream are probably the same inherited from Nika. That unfulfilled dream was left on Laugh Tale. When Ace, Sabo, Shanks all heard Luffy's dream...they just laughed. Maybe Luffy completing that dream is the true One Piece and Roger was too early to see it. Yea that makes sense! gj Artur 😮
Another theory is that you need the body of Uranus to control the weapon, however using that power drains the life force of the user. The body may now be immortal from the operation but it doesn't give it perennial youth thus vulnerable to decay. (Hence why Imu may cover themselves) Imu has used the power many times and can't anymore so now relies on the Motherflame, an external power source.
I think it is plausible for Imu to be the son of Joy Boy and Lili who never ages. Basically, an ageless child prodigy with mother issues after having been raised by tyrannical Celestial Dragons all his life. The reason is that none of the poneglyphs warn about the single threat of Imu, meaning Joy Boy or his allies don’t know the current Imu. Also, Imu looks like a child (size-wise) and speaks like one. Why he is called Imu? Imu Nerona might have been the Julius Caesar or Augustus Caesar of his time and Imu is just another word or title for the One Piece world’s version of Caesar. Example: ruclips.net/video/kq9PLInSlkQ/видео.htmlsi=kkdCwdTQqIOdaCRh
Tech so advanced 800 years ago they have paper that last more than 800 century.. wow.. btw.. Denden Mushi is product of Bioengineering, Wireless Globat Communication Networking, and Audio Visual Display Tech..
I read a theory that said that “Imu and Lily switched bodies and Lily killed Imu. Meaning that the obsession with Vivi is because Lily wants to return to her body or a body that looks like her. So Imu wasn’t evil, it was Lily.” Who knows maybe Imu, in Lily’s body, was the one that released the poneglyph’s
@@Farisss11 imu has dark silhouette because oda wants his appearance to be a mystery that he doesn’t want revealed yet. The 5 elders had a dark silhouette when they transformed too after sabo attacked them and so does rocks when he briefly shown in a flashback. That’s what oda does for characters he isn’t ready for them to be revealed yet, so they have a black silhouette to hide their appearance.
@@sostrealejandro that’s dumb theory and this original comment is proof of that because cobra reaction would have been very different if the individual in front of him have the appearance that looks almost identical to his daughter. Everyone seems to overlook that fact because cobra cared deeply about his daughter and if someone walked into a room looking almost identical to his daughter he would’ve had a look of panic in the manage to know where his daughter is and who the fuck is that and why do you look like my daughter. That’s the type of reaction any father would have an answer for that situation and quite frankly should be common sense as to why a theory like this isn’t possible.
Agree. I think the Nefertari princesses have the same inherited skill with the Mermaid princesses. While Shirahoshi is the "driver" of the Sea Kings, then Lily and Vivi could be the "driver" of a creature (dragon?)
so do you think that Roger laughing at Laftale is actually him having a Derishi-shi-shi moment? He was looking for the answer to the end of his journey, only to discover that he was 20 years too early. So he disguised his negative feelings with laughter. Just like Saul told Robin how to at Ohara
Imu beeing lili is very logical. Lili nefertati was basically uranus of her time. Like poseidon is now. And probably momo is now in wano. So in order to win the war imu had to take lilis body to inherit uranus power. Doflamingo mentioned that he needs laws power because he knows of mariois treasure. And thats likely imu = lili = uranus. So basically doflamingo wanted to do the same as imu did back then.
@@DanielGarcia-rx3kt from Imu’s perspective, I’d be pissed and paranoid if I claimed a body and made myself immortal to claim an ultimate power forever, only for the inheritor to be seemingly reincarnated anyway.
Imo the Lili portrait is probably the first in a series of 20 images of the founding World Government monarchs. Oda cast the wall around it in shadow after all, it’s as if there’s something beyond it that we aren’t supposed to know about
Im still calling one thing. Roger dying HAD to happen for the nika fruit to come back. My exact theory is that rogers dreams and act of starting the pirate era caused the fruit to be brought back into the cycle. Specifically i think the illness roger had was the fruit consuming his life/will/dreans in order to be created again.
congratulations my friend, this is the first good idea as to what rogers sickness was. this idea also in turn solves the problem of choppers dream being VERY broad and honestly even slightly subjective... giving him a goal like this would CEMENT his dream in place.
@aceydoesmusic no, but that his will/dreams BECAME the fruit, in essence acting as if he had the fruit. Like the gorosei said it hadn't been awakened in hundreds of years, what if it just wasn't in circulation and somebody needed to act as a catalyst for it to come back. And roger learned that at laugh tale my idea is that's what he told shanks, that he had to die and create a world seeking freedom in the process. I could really go in depth on my theory if you want to know more. But I'm being vague on certain points because I believe we haven't been given the information to figure it out just yet.
@@slychological thank you for understanding what I was trying to say. And for even bringing up something that also pushes for my theory. I've loved the idea of it since I had it. Like his life is what became the fruit. And it's why luffy is SO much like roger. Devil fruits I think contain a part of a person's life/soul
I’m glad you mentioned Moda because I reread Skypeia recently and instantly recognized her from the cover stories. Nobody else has been talking about her panel at all
TLDR incoming: This is why I love Ohara so much. Since chapter 1116 came out I’ve had the idea that they had to “wait for the planets to align” so to speak. That even if Roger was open about what they found nobody would believe them because of how they were viewed at that time. The only thing that Roger could do was inspire those that came after him to pursue the truth and find out for themselves what’s what. Which is what Rayleigh keeps going on about. Come to your conclusions, knowing that anybody who goes the distance and truly reaches the one piece will have to overcome so much that they will not be swayed by fear or the marines or anybody else. I LOVE how Oda is writing this and I’m so glad you’re here for us non Japanese speakers so that we can understand what’s missing is translation. 10/10, highly recommend.
Even if they destroy the iron giant the damage is already done, Vegapunk already mentioned Joy Boy, the ancient kindgom, a past and possible future flooding, the mother flame, the ancient weapons, that the world government is not what it seems, etc. For the regular population of the one piece world that is already a lot.
@@jonathanchen4987 well then now that marks the question Will Oda allow Vegapunk to reveal the ancient kingdom's name or will the broadcast be stopped before he can Cause no offense, the name of tbe ancient kingdom would be the first few things i'd reveal after the weapons that can sink Kingdoms and Lulusia's disappearence In fact i theorize, that Vegapunk might reveal the kingdom's name and the final thing he would say may be that Imu id the cause of the natural disasters and then the broadcast will stop
Anyone who thinks imu is lily keep over looking how that type of appearance would absolutely confuse and terrify cobra about well being of his daughter the very moment imu would reveal himself looking like that because that appearance is almost identical to his daughter, and anything out of his mouth in that moment, would have been related to his daughter, and not the questions and the words that he said, in that chapter which had nothing to do with his daughter, which is proof enough that imu isn’t using lily body.
I don't think the Imu switching bodies with Lily makes much sense considering Cobra didn't really have any sort of reaction to Imu's appearance and I feel like he would have noticed if Imu looked like his family members
And we know that the fruit power stays with original user, but Imu still has some powers to transform into a devil type or yokai... I dont think Lily had those powers.
Joyboy was the first D and a giant race where this Nika came from and also there's a big chance that Monkey.D was his direct descend considering how crazy powerful Garp is in his old age,
It is strange to think that Imu was there for 800 years and did not ask any alabaster ruler how things really went. At this point I think he has recently returned, just like joyboy. How did things really go? Did he leave the five elders and ask them to unfreeze him after 800 years? Did he travel through time? Right now it sounds strange that he physically reigned all this time and brought that doubt with him.
Imus whole character revolves around the idea of being the ruler in the shadows, the one sitting on a throne that exists to show that no one rules. If he asked a ruler of alabaster about the truth he would reveal his identity too. Plus the rulers of alabaster would most likely not tell him due to Lilis letter passed down the generations of leaders.
@@KelFle he has the power to kill whoever he wants and to hade traces of himself, that's why he rules in the shadows. And that's why he kills Cobra and everyone now in the one piece world believes Sabo killed him. If you want to build a theory, then what's written in the manga must be taken detail by detail: Imu was irritated, frustrated by discovering that Lili betrayed him, that's why he immediately attacked Cobra; there was delusion at the deepest level in his reaction. That's why it's something you cannot wait for 800 years to know, to listen to. He could have destroyed the whole Alabasta across 800 years just to get what he wanted. To date, this is a nosense.
@@rainyday6428 800 years ago, Lili fled her country entirely and since the alabasta used to belong to the 20 kingdoms that were allied againts Joyboy, I dont think it would paint Imu in a great light with the 19 kingdoms if he were to just destroy the Alabasta then and there knowing full well that the traitor (Lili) was no longer there. You also need to think of how strong Imu's grip are on the 20 kingdoms 800 years ago which was only just established compared to the now braindead celestial dragons that are their descendants
@@Kenzznz cmon i was not literally intending that he should have destroyed Alabasta. It's just a general and hyperbolic expression meant to highlight his power. Power is subtle, but selfish. If you have power, you don't care anymore about anything: the fact that he CARED about that point, that he asked to Cobra if Lili was a betrayor (implicitly he asked that) is enough for us to say that he should have planned a way to get the information earlier. The fact that Alabasta is an allied kingdom (allied, i mean under the flag of the world government) is indeed an aggravating factor: they were accessible, unlike other countries non gravitating around the WG
I don’t know about anyone else but when sakazuki showed up I thought the dialog was more of him saying something along the lines of “I didn’t know any of this bull shit because the high ups refuse to work with me so I’m gonna go force you (vegapunk) to tell me EVERYTHING”
that is how i took it it felt like sakazuki kept getting stoned walled by the elders and things are starting to click for him, and nothing about how angry he is towards the info being known. I wouldn't be suprised that unlike sengoku the elders figured that it was better to not tell sakazuki because he was just better as a guard dog since you don't need your dog to be very smart, since dogs tend to bite there owners on occupations which seems like whats going to happen here.
on another note its fascinating to think about why sengoku (Buddha) new a lot of the world Governments evil but still guarded and upheld all of it, since Buddha is know for being both a God and Devil at the same time. And sakazuki being a dangerous guard dog that has to be controlled or else he could bite back.
@@Gundamman yeah I think it’s very clear the elders don’t actually want him to do shit and instead just want him as their angry dumb guard dog honestly I’d buy it if he knew way less then sengoku
I mean the moment Rayleigh hinted that they were too early in saboady, combined with meeting shirahoshi, it’s clear that the roger pirates would have done something if they could, shirahoshi was born , finally hones her powers, the final piece is Nikas return and forming allies, these things had to happen, the earliest clue was shirahoshi
if we talk about the ancient weapons. its really interesting to speculate what they actually are. because, poseidon, for all we know.. is a living being, a descendant of mermaid kingdom who can command sea kings. so.. uranus, is powered by the mother flame, so i guess its some sort of a contraption? or a mechanical weapon that needs power? also pluton, franky once had its blueprint, so it can be built. so its like a battleship right? but.. all these time.. there's one thing bugging me. the fate of kaido and big mom. never in all of one piece arcs, the whereabout and fate of the main villains arc is unknown. from crocodile up to donquixote we all know what they've become. but not big mom and kaido. and its very hard for me to believe that both of them died. they're the strongest by far, and getting knocked out killed them? i dont think its that easy. besides... where they are now? exactly right below wano. where they said Pluton rest. there's probably a reason that Oda draw both of their final blow sent them directly underground. why not sent them flying? or towards the sea? or one underground but one above ground, why both of them needs to be underground? its just keep bugging me. there's probably more to it. or im just overthinking
i was thinking the same thing till a couple of days ago, in the manga its not as clear as in the anime where luffy, kid and law punched big mom and kaido into lava below the surface crust of the planet, or probably not that deep since there is a volcano on the island. so apparently they boiled to death in the lava where not even they could survive...
@@jhonviel7381 yea.. thats what i thought. they couldnt survive that right? surely? but then again... we're talking about one piece here, the level of fictional here is probably the highest i've ever seen in any anime or manga. if oden can survive being boiled/fried for one hour and maybe more if he didnt get shot since there's no sign of his body getting deteriorated even after one hour. and those high level convicts in impel down can easily withstand the amount of heat and cold without even flinch. imagine what someone known especially for their endurance can hold. i think the only way they die is if they knocked out long enough and their body disintegrated before they regained conciousness. i would argue its probably take a few hours. if at least bigmom is awake, she can definitely do something with her soul power. but yea.. then again, it might be me just overthinking. for me, its just weird that BOTH of them sent underground for their final moment. im like.. 90% sure that's intentional for their end to be like that. not to mention. momo didnt open wano border right away, while zunisha is ready just outside the island. why Oda make us wait? i just cant help to think, that there's still something left for us to see in wano.
Here is good note for one piece fan, after reading and understanding I come to conclusions that the actual fight was between world government and devil fruit user maybe in ancient time devil fruit must have known by other name(maybe god fruit or sea blessing) after the defeat of joyboy and world government come to rule the world govt made everyone forget about the void centre as well as made a conspiracy theory about "devil fruit" and they named the fruit as "devil fruit". Since we already hinted that devil fruit can be made artificially that makes the ancient kingdom can actually be the real founder of devil fruit. One more thing maybe imu is a royalty of the ancient kingdom who later must have betrayed his own kingdom and family to obtain Immortality or devil fruit technology. He must be a banished prince who later formed an alliance with 20 kingdoms to defeat the ancient kingdom. Maybe the reason is why he fears devil fruit is because of the resistance of the ancient kingdom or remnant of the ancient kingdom who made a last resort to make a god tier fruit which was later used by joyboy. And that remnant of resistance later came to be known as pirates by the world government. The actual fight is between the royalty of the ancient kingdom. And another thing is that the god tier fruit can actually be used by only few unique people or races (good example are giant and human there might be more different races) which might later come to know as the family of D clan that can be wary from races and the "will of D" is something to do with those god tier fruit. That makes the reason why the world government fears the "D" clan. Here's another part of my theory that is imu is banished royalty or corrupt royalty since he is the royalty of the ancient kingdom who betrayed his family and kingdom for immortality or devil fruit technology. Since he's the royalty he must have the technology of devil fruit and made some real "devil fruit" with evil power that might later come to be used by gorosais/5 elders.
We're getting closer and closer. After 25 years. I can't even begin to imagine what it'll mean, how many people will it impact. We're about to discover the truths on one of the greatest stories ever written
One theory of mine is that joyboy wanted the weapons preserved so that when the time comes, they could destroy the red line, from air (Uranus), land (Pluton, or should I say from ground level elevation) and the sea (Poseidon, with the sea kings ramming it or something). Once the world drains, the strawhats head to laughtale, and the end. Could be wrong but I love to think of it this way.
Is it coincidental that the mother flame finally reappears only after JoyBoy returns? Theory, the presence of JoyBoy powers the mother flame. It disappeared at the end of the Void Century, at JoyBoy’s defeat
This still doesn't explain why it's so necessary to understand who was good and who was bad in the Void Century conflict by not only learning the information in the correct order, but at the correct time. Even if Posiedon takes care of the time part (I personally think it's not the whole answer) that still doesn't account for the order things need to be learned in.
The last few chapters we’re trying to paint you a better picture, it’s not about good vs evil. It’s a clash of ideologies who had already warred against each other that still continues 800 years later.
@@SpeedyGaming The whole point of ideologies is to determine what is good and what is evil. To say they are separate things entirely would mean that either having an ideology is bad or that all ideologies are ambiguous as to how good or bad each type are. Maybe if there were a precedence in the manga I'd buy that, but the only time it's come up is when the Strawhats are about to do something and the town's people are trying to figure out if what they are about to do is good or bad. Which I'm interpreting as a "actions speak louder than words" kind of thing.
3:35 the jackal and the falcon being side by side with a sun like image in the middle could possible be tell who JoyBoy's right and left hand man. Much like with Luffy having Zorro and Sanji respectively.
Theory about Imu-sama and the Nefertari family!! We have been talking for a long time in One piece about cloning, orphans or illegitimate children etc. Nefertari Lili never returned, Nefertari Titi never returned and Nefertari Vivi urgently seek... Could it be that Imu-sama is nothing but a clone or the illegitimate child of Nefertari Lili whose cloning went wrong and she was born with a genetic disease desperately seeking Vivi for its healthy genes, to survive a few more centuries. Remember that the Tenryūbito only reproduce among nobles but what happens to the genetic copy of a genetic copy, the more the process is repeated and the more the DNA branch deteriorates... They need new genetic branch like Nefertari Lili, Nefertari Titi or Ginney and just like for Vivi selected by Him-sama, another noble needs those of Jewelry Bonne. The clone often develops many immune problems (eg Sapphire Scales Disease) and heart problems (diving suit, respirator) Moreover, clones often exhibit developmental disorders and postnatal mortality is very high (Saint Charlos). Tenryūbito are distinguished by their varied cruelty and morality.
This one is also another that makes, to me, the time travel theory is a possibility, Luffy and his crew will go back in time and he is the joyboy of the void century.
No Poseidon. Nobody having eaten the nika fruit and activating it. Though even then Roger's crew could definitely have at least weakened the world government by storming the place like fisher tiger and take out a few knights but no they just stopped Even kaido did more by getting suppliers for the underworld with doffy
It would have been pretty futile unless they completely destroyed the world government. Look at how much the world government recovered just two years after waging war with Whitebeard, they're arguably even stronger now then they were back then. There's no way they'd just remain weakened for 20 years...
I'm about to complete my second re-watch/re-read of the entire series and ever since Gear 5 reveal it's been an increasing suspicion of mine that the One Piece is some sort of Scrying Pool/Space-Time Portal combination and that JoyBoy and Luffy are one and the same. Not in the sense that Luffy is JoyBoy's reincarnation but that he's JoyBoy full stop. Rayleigh's "we were too early/hasty" comments about Roger's crew and the Oharans back in Sabaondy was already suspicious enough, but with Oden's flashbacks and the continuous repetition of "20 years in the future" and "we were too early" speech patterns, it's beginning to feel like Roger's crew and Oden, and by extension Whitebeard and (probably) Shanks as well, saw not just the past but also the future and therefore knew that Luffy was vital for the world because Luffy exists in both timelines. Luffy finds the One Piece, travels back in time to the time of the Ancient Kingdom, befriends a number of relevant characters such as Lily, Zunesha, Poseidon and the like, tries to protect them from the 20 kingdom Alliance but eventually loses. There are obvious flaws on this theory of course, one of them being that the Nika fruit was in Shanks' possession before Luffy ate it, which in turn means the previous user must have died and then the fruit must have respawned. However, it's hard not to think about it when the "20 years" comment is seen so many times, like, why 20? Why specifically 20? What happens in 20 years that is so special? I mean, how would you know unless you had specific knowledge of who is coming or being born in 20 years? The One Piece is a time glancing / Time traveling tool for sure.
Roger also saying "I wish I had was born in your time Joyboy" meant Luffy I believe. Connecting their "too early" conclusion. Because the world was gonna change and they were gonna be able to see it.
What if imu currently inhabits lilis home on the red line that she abandoned to return to her kingdom - and that's why there's a giant portrait of her in there
Vegapunk has no criticism against the Roger pirates because he wasn't there at laugh tale only Roger pirates know because they too early It had to be done in the right moment of time.
continuing your theory that imu might have bod changed with lili, it would make sense that lili hat the power to controll uranus maybe thats why imu changed bodys so they could controll the ancient weapon (if it works like that) the pattern wpuld match, alabasta was a ally of joyboy so it would make sense for her to controll the last ancient weapon
some panels we see people reacting to luffys real dream, it always makes people laugh, the one piece has the same effect on the people who have found it, something tells me that luffy knows what the one piece is without even realizing it and it is quite literally what he wants most
It just dawned on me that the Blackbeard pirates probably are also listening to this.... And Caribou knows about Poseidon and Pluton, trying to pass that info. THIS IS ANOTHER (INDIRECT) BB WIN FML. 💀
Did anyone remember aikoji vs whiteboard in 476, whitebeard was standing still without harm due to haki, maybe nikas haki is not activated yet to harm the gorose
The human human food is how to become better, as long as one person believes in this devil fruit holder it will become better and that’s how coby supported luffy in marinefold since he mattered to luffy. Nika fruit will try to do good for people who were close to it and will become better
Also maybe blackbeard is the rare case in the series born with 2 hearts, thus the personality split and was able to acquire 2 DFs using his fruit as well as with the help of the master hypnotist in his crew
Blackbeard will be defeated because he got the army with DF and no Haki. The foreshadowing was confirmed by kaidp when he said Roger had no DF but all haki Maybe that’s what last Joy boy made a mistake he allowed the gear 5 to be out too soon unlike our joy boy of the present, zunisha and the robot are asking for forgiveness because the acted without telling the older joy boy what they gonna do and that’s what made him look like evil
Blackbeard will be defeated because he got the army with DF and no Haki. The foreshadowing was confirmed by kaidp when he said Roger had no DF but all haki Maybe that’s what last Joy boy made a mistake he allowed the gear 5 to be out too soon unlike our joy boy of the present, zunisha and the robot are asking for forgiveness because the acted without telling the older joy boy what they gonna do and that’s what made him look like evil.
Omfg. That would certainly make anyone laugh that sees it. And luffy would be able to drain the sea using g5 wiley coyote cartoon shenanigans. And the reason Roger was too early cuz the sea doesnt need draining yet. Wtf
Now there is just one big missing info about the ancient weapon, what was the "good purpose" of uranus? As we know, Pluton is a ship that can destroy island, but also build them. Poseidon can command sea kings with theyr destructive power, but also can carry Noah. Uranus can destroy island raising the sea level, we are still missing the but
I feel like another reason as well as to why everyone that found Laughtale, the reason they keep laughing when thinking about it rather than talk about it, is because of the story of the Sun god. The story likely sounding so outlandish and unbelievable, that it is like a absolutely unthinkable joke. But also know even if they did tell everyone about said story, that again, it would sound so absurd that no one would normally believe it. Thus, another reason Roger and the others never bothered to share their stories of the island. It might have also been written in the land there, that they are not to speak of it explicitly else they damn the world as a whole.
I still believe that the thousands sunny is pluton 2.0. We can all assume that water 7 will be one the first islands to sink under water and during the final hour I believe that icebergs final message to franky will be that he installed pluton’s capabilities inside the sunny. Iceberg could reveal that he studied plutons blueprints in secret when Tom was still alive. Maybe there like a secret room or button on the sunny to activate it lol
Amazing work,.once again. Not sure why, but i think Sakazuki does not know anything and wanted vegapunk to speak more. I don't think the 5 elders are the type to tell the truth to every new fleet admiral. Therefore, his anger is from realizing that he was left in the dark and is being used as a puppet
Imu has a picture of Lily because Imu IS Lily. More than likely Imu is a Devil Fruit that was forced onto Lily without her consent. This allowed the Devil inside the Fruit that was/is Imu to take over Lily's body. This has already been stated in the story of how Devil Fruits can take over their Host instead of their Host keeping control since typically the Host knowingly eats the Fruit. That's the biggest difference. Being force fed a Devil Fruit as opposed to willingly consuming one. Forced - The Devil inside the Fruit takes over Willingly - The Host maintains control
When i see your videos, i think what am I even reading, you point out so many things from a single chapter that i couldn’t even see, missing so many points, this is how it is read. Can someone tell me is there anyone who reads each one piece chapters like this, or how can I read like this, because the way everything is revealing I am afraid I might miss some points
Roger may of been to early, but he still had a important role to play which was to ignite the flames of war via his death and sow the seeds of chaos to undermine the World Groverment power
Thank you for stating all the things VP didn't know. This is exactly what I've been saying. The Roger pirates couldn't do anything because they were too early.
I think the Roger Pirates didn't tell the world of what's going to happen, because there is some disaster that "needs" to happen before the world can be freed and making that public could lead to trying to not have that happen. But without it happening the final turn around can't happen.
Pretty Safe to Say that Uranus almost looks inspired from a nuclear weapon, i mean just like a nuclear weapon requires ...you guessed it URANIUM as fuel. This whole mother flame is basically vegapunk trying to harvest the equivalent of Nuclear energy in current world for commercial and user purposes like electricity or advanced gadgets, etc. Could also set up how The ancient kingdom was advanced as we yet in our current world are unable to fully harvest and use nuclear energy to its potential.
I think Demon Sheriff Laffite is literally a demon and I believe that Laffite has been around alot longer than we know as remember in the Skipeia arc we see Luffy and Sanji explore a sunken shipwreck called the St. Briss we see a skull of somebody with a hole in which could indicate that the ancient operation of trepanation has been perform where holes where drilled in the head as a way of warding off demons and in a treasure chest we see a white feather which I believe came from one of Laffite's wings.
Joyboy wanted to pass on the AncientWeapon, probably, due to the fact that Uranus landed in Imu's hand, and the only way for you to fight another ancient weapon is with one yourself
One piece is mindblowing, mother flame equals to aether, which is a periodic table element that was scrapped from the books, super important to unlimited power souce, nikolas tesla talked about this, nowonder why he isn’t talked about in school books for guys like thomas edison
I actually think Akainu had NO IDEA about most of these things and Vegapunk is saying right now and that's the reason why he's fuming, even though he's the highest position now he's forced to stay in his office all day now and he's in the dark about everything so him being angry is angry with the fact all this info was being withheld from him and that's why the quote "Vegapunk, you're gonna explain everything" carried more weight.. he wants Vegapunk tell him everything his bosses didn't wanna tell him.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!! I couldn't handle the anticipation to see YOU talking about this chapter, and it was worth it, gladly I don't see Roger and Joyboy as potential "non-good" people. However, that still leaves a hell of an unanswered question... If they came to find everything about the TRAGIC story of the Void Century, why the hell did they laugh? How can something be so funny that would make you laugh even after realizing the massive genocide that happened in the world before?
I had the same thought about Imu taking Lily's body!! I had made a comment on Reddit about it. It's weird to me that there would be a framed photo of someone Imu clearly speaks of with hatred
She is waiting for Joy Boy. I've had this wild thought that we don't know what Tiki did on the way from the Void Century. Did she fling any else from any other time to close to now to help out? "We are coming. Expect us on the third day with the rising of the dawn." kind of thing. And there's some kind of tragic tale of twisted emotions here I just can't nail it
would be interesting if it was a big table or a big bonfire, for a big ol feast/party - and they arrived too early for the party - maybe something was being cooked and it wasnt ready
Just "to let you know," it's very unlikely Vegapunk actually knows the full truth, specifically related to what the Roger pirates saw. Raftel might end up saying, "oh here's the altar for Nika to suck the water, but the alter appears in 20 years from today!" - Then the Rogers would do nothing because it was essentially useless to do anything.
For Imu to be Lili he would of had to give Lili the perpetual youth operation and shortly before dieing in his own body use the personality switch, seems a bit contrived no? I think theres a motherly and child aspect to Lili and Imu's relationship and that it parallels big mom and mother caramel
Oi, I just want to mention that the change of sound or distortion of sound before your sponsor and throughout the video like 10:58 ; 11:59 is kinda annoying and hard to understand
My guess is that Vegapunk crossed paths with Crocus and he deemed Vegapunk worthy of telling him some information. I can easily see Vegapunk deducing it but wanting verification from a person who was there Crocus is the only Ex Roger Pirate who is easy to find.
Roger and his crew found the Rio poneglyph and learned the history of the world which can only be found if someone took the passages of the other poneglyphs to the final island.
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Son of a gun, you really got me with the sponsor section.
Best sponsor transición ever.
They said before that Ace died virgin, I said nahh I showed this cover story long ago.
Artur would never let go of the op2 fruit switch theory lol 4:55 simpppppp
It must be lovely to be known as “the man who came too early“.
xD
How is that lovely???
@@tatsdgreat8886 It's a joke 😅
😂😂
I just did a literal spit take. 😂
Arturs analyses of chapters is basically mandatory now: I would've easily missed 80% of the easter eggs amidst all the reactions to Vegapunks message!
Yeah, but I disagree with his conclusions on Sengoku and Akainu. I doubt they knew much of anything. And Akainu seems to want Vegapunk to explain more and is really angry with the WG.
It used to be neutral and just focused on the chapter when he began, but these days he's mostly concerend about how the story aligns with his theories than the normal explanations and pointing out things anyone who doesn't speak Japanese will miss.
Hopefully he's able to separate his chapter insights and his theories
That sponsor transition was really smooth and funny
Roger knew the next generation would be the one to solve this problem. That's why he turned himself in, and started the Great Pirate Era. Heck, the way he laughs at the start of the live action version is a telltale sign he knew he won.
I believe one piece is the one continent that was sunk and laugh tale has information how it was sunk why, and how to get it back. The reason roger pirates were to early is pretty simple all the pieces of the plan were not ready yet. Shirahoshi wasnt born yet or was stll and infant, same for momonusuke, and joyboy wasnt present, the nika fruit was fund and eaten by luffy later. Roger died to usher new pirate era, roger pirates were at teh start of grand line, and at the red line with rayleigh. Oden was trying to open wano for joyboy as well.
@@sgnox7781 maybe not one piece specifically but the previous sea that was sunk 800 years ago was definitely all blue thats Sanji's dream
@@Kenzznz i meant more one piece as in land or world in one piece, and all blue was the sea not the land and yea i agree with that theory, before the sea was split it was connected and was all blue.
@@sgnox7781 Honestly I dont think it would make sense for there be just one land and calling it one piece when the original Joyboy was confirmed to be pirate themselves and there would be no pirates if there is only just 1 land to travel across though it would make even less sense for countless separated islands or maybe continent and still be called one piece
@@sgnox7781 I cant just picture one piece being someone elses dream rather than Luffy tbh. Sanjis dream was all blue and Namis dream was to create a world map. If were leaning towards the future that the red line will be destroyed and the sea levels are going to be dropped making the world seem like how it used to 800 years ago then mapping that would be Nami's dream, no?
Another masterpiece from Artur. It’s a joy to uncover this story as it goes with your videos!
Keep up the amazing work!
It makes complete sense because Luffy's dream and Joyboy's dream are probably the same inherited from Nika. That unfulfilled dream was left on Laugh Tale.
When Ace, Sabo, Shanks all heard Luffy's dream...they just laughed.
Maybe Luffy completing that dream is the true One Piece and Roger was too early to see it.
Yea that makes sense! gj Artur 😮
Another theory is that you need the body of Uranus to control the weapon, however using that power drains the life force of the user. The body may now be immortal from the operation but it doesn't give it perennial youth thus vulnerable to decay. (Hence why Imu may cover themselves)
Imu has used the power many times and can't anymore so now relies on the Motherflame, an external power source.
Big mom can drain life force from others
Law has the immorality fruit
Luffy has the Nika fruit
Eeeeh no. Roger had the same dream as Luffy. Same words (said by Shanks)
The One Piece is a THING.
@@Josuegurrola When was that? The only thing I remember them saying is they both wanted to be King of the Pirates.
@@Nightsu in the earlier arc shanks said there is a boy who said the same words as our captain
Is Oda suggesting that Imu's been looking at the painting for eight
Hundred
Years?!
I think it is plausible for Imu to be the son of Joy Boy and Lili who never ages. Basically, an ageless child prodigy with mother issues after having been raised by tyrannical Celestial Dragons all his life. The reason is that none of the poneglyphs warn about the single threat of Imu, meaning Joy Boy or his allies don’t know the current Imu. Also, Imu looks like a child (size-wise) and speaks like one. Why he is called Imu? Imu Nerona might have been the Julius Caesar or Augustus Caesar of his time and Imu is just another word or title for the One Piece world’s version of Caesar.
Example: ruclips.net/video/kq9PLInSlkQ/видео.htmlsi=kkdCwdTQqIOdaCRh
Romeo and Juliette lovedrama in the making!
Obsession 😂
@@ryankwon8785 Imu is the result of joyboy defeat
Tech so advanced 800 years ago they have paper that last more than 800 century.. wow..
btw.. Denden Mushi is product of Bioengineering, Wireless Globat Communication Networking, and Audio Visual Display Tech..
If Imu was Lily or atleast, stole her body, Kobra would have mentioned it. He would have noticed the resemblance
No if imu still using his power and just black
It looks like the black outline is just what Imu looks like
I read a theory that said that “Imu and Lily switched bodies and Lily killed Imu. Meaning that the obsession with Vivi is because Lily wants to return to her body or a body that looks like her. So Imu wasn’t evil, it was Lily.”
Who knows maybe Imu, in Lily’s body, was the one that released the poneglyph’s
@@Farisss11 imu has dark silhouette because oda wants his appearance to be a mystery that he doesn’t want revealed yet. The 5 elders had a dark silhouette when they transformed too after sabo attacked them and so does rocks when he briefly shown in a flashback. That’s what oda does for characters he isn’t ready for them to be revealed yet, so they have a black silhouette to hide their appearance.
@@sostrealejandro that’s dumb theory and this original comment is proof of that because cobra reaction would have been very different if the individual in front of him have the appearance that looks almost identical to his daughter. Everyone seems to overlook that fact because cobra cared deeply about his daughter and if someone walked into a room looking almost identical to his daughter he would’ve had a look of panic in the manage to know where his daughter is and who the fuck is that and why do you look like my daughter. That’s the type of reaction any father would have an answer for that situation and quite frankly should be common sense as to why a theory like this isn’t possible.
Viví is probably the only other person that can use Uranus, that’s why Imu wants her
Agree. I think the Nefertari princesses have the same inherited skill with the Mermaid princesses.
While Shirahoshi is the "driver" of the Sea Kings, then Lily and Vivi could be the "driver" of a creature (dragon?)
I can think of a couple of other people that can use Uranus iygm ZEHAHAHA!
That’s actually an amazing theory. Makes complete sense.
so do you think that Roger laughing at Laftale is actually him having a Derishi-shi-shi moment? He was looking for the answer to the end of his journey, only to discover that he was 20 years too early. So he disguised his negative feelings with laughter. Just like Saul told Robin how to at Ohara
Nope. Everyone as dying laughing bro. They were watching the story of JOYboys who’s whole thing is causing people to laugh and smile
Your videos are always very informative and creative with its presentation. I enjoy watching them every week.
Dang it, I was confused at the start of the ad cause I was like “I don’t remember Vegapunk talking about Wano…”😂
Imu beeing lili is very logical. Lili nefertati was basically uranus of her time. Like poseidon is now. And probably momo is now in wano.
So in order to win the war imu had to take lilis body to inherit uranus power.
Doflamingo mentioned that he needs laws power because he knows of mariois treasure.
And thats likely imu = lili = uranus.
So basically doflamingo wanted to do the same as imu did back then.
Mind. Blown. This is so evident yet It would have never crossed my mind had you not pointed it out
So is Vivi going to potentially usurp Imu's power and that's why Imu is so invested in finding her?
Makes sense she never returned back to her hometown
@@DanielGarcia-rx3kt from Imu’s perspective, I’d be pissed and paranoid if I claimed a body and made myself immortal to claim an ultimate power forever, only for the inheritor to be seemingly reincarnated anyway.
@lightbaker been thinking this ever since I saw that hair color
I love how your thumbnail + title doesn't spoil anything, Thanks !
Imo the Lili portrait is probably the first in a series of 20 images of the founding World Government monarchs. Oda cast the wall around it in shadow after all, it’s as if there’s something beyond it that we aren’t supposed to know about
I just opened RUclips to realize this was uploaded 40 seconds ago let’s gooo
6 minutes ago for me
I guess am late by 7 hours 😅
Im still calling one thing. Roger dying HAD to happen for the nika fruit to come back. My exact theory is that rogers dreams and act of starting the pirate era caused the fruit to be brought back into the cycle. Specifically i think the illness roger had was the fruit consuming his life/will/dreans in order to be created again.
congratulations my friend, this is the first good idea as to what rogers sickness was. this idea also in turn solves the problem of choppers dream being VERY broad and honestly even slightly subjective... giving him a goal like this would CEMENT his dream in place.
so do you think roger actually was the previous user of the nika fruit and that’s why shanks wanted to take it from the WG?
@@aceydoesmusic thats not what he is saying...
@aceydoesmusic no, but that his will/dreams BECAME the fruit, in essence acting as if he had the fruit. Like the gorosei said it hadn't been awakened in hundreds of years, what if it just wasn't in circulation and somebody needed to act as a catalyst for it to come back. And roger learned that at laugh tale my idea is that's what he told shanks, that he had to die and create a world seeking freedom in the process. I could really go in depth on my theory if you want to know more. But I'm being vague on certain points because I believe we haven't been given the information to figure it out just yet.
@@slychological thank you for understanding what I was trying to say. And for even bringing up something that also pushes for my theory. I've loved the idea of it since I had it. Like his life is what became the fruit. And it's why luffy is SO much like roger. Devil fruits I think contain a part of a person's life/soul
I’m glad you mentioned Moda because I reread Skypeia recently and instantly recognized her from the cover stories. Nobody else has been talking about her panel at all
TLDR incoming:
This is why I love Ohara so much. Since chapter 1116 came out I’ve had the idea that they had to “wait for the planets to align” so to speak. That even if Roger was open about what they found nobody would believe them because of how they were viewed at that time. The only thing that Roger could do was inspire those that came after him to pursue the truth and find out for themselves what’s what. Which is what Rayleigh keeps going on about. Come to your conclusions, knowing that anybody who goes the distance and truly reaches the one piece will have to overcome so much that they will not be swayed by fear or the marines or anybody else. I LOVE how Oda is writing this and I’m so glad you’re here for us non Japanese speakers so that we can understand what’s missing is translation. 10/10, highly recommend.
Even if they destroy the iron giant the damage is already done, Vegapunk already mentioned Joy Boy, the ancient kindgom, a past and possible future flooding, the mother flame, the ancient weapons, that the world government is not what it seems, etc. For the regular population of the one piece world that is already a lot.
Exactly, what more could Vegapunk could reveal
@@riley-dv8eumaybe the forms of the gorosei as a bonus, to cause the "we were working for monsters this whole time!?!" scenario
@@riley-dv8eu Imu and the name of the ancient kingdom
@@jonathanchen4987 well then now that marks the question
Will Oda allow Vegapunk to reveal the ancient kingdom's name or will the broadcast be stopped before he can
Cause no offense, the name of tbe ancient kingdom would be the first few things i'd reveal after the weapons that can sink Kingdoms and Lulusia's disappearence
In fact i theorize, that Vegapunk might reveal the kingdom's name and the final thing he would say may be that Imu id the cause of the natural disasters and then the broadcast will stop
@@riley-dv8eu I think it's more likely we'll get the reveal of Imu than the ancient kingdom's name.
Anyone who thinks imu is lily keep over looking how that type of appearance would absolutely confuse and terrify cobra about well being of his daughter the very moment imu would reveal himself looking like that because that appearance is almost identical to his daughter, and anything out of his mouth in that moment, would have been related to his daughter, and not the questions and the words that he said, in that chapter which had nothing to do with his daughter, which is proof enough that imu isn’t using lily body.
I don't think the Imu switching bodies with Lily makes much sense considering Cobra didn't really have any sort of reaction to Imu's appearance and I feel like he would have noticed if Imu looked like his family members
And we know that the fruit power stays with original user, but Imu still has some powers to transform into a devil type or yokai...
I dont think Lily had those powers.
Can't wait for your video on chapter 1117! Love your videos and the way you break down each chapter
Joyboy was the first D and a giant race where this Nika came from and also there's a big chance that Monkey.D was his direct descend considering how crazy powerful Garp is in his old age,
It is strange to think that Imu was there for 800 years and did not ask any alabaster ruler how things really went. At this point I think he has recently returned, just like joyboy. How did things really go? Did he leave the five elders and ask them to unfreeze him after 800 years? Did he travel through time? Right now it sounds strange that he physically reigned all this time and brought that doubt with him.
Imus whole character revolves around the idea of being the ruler in the shadows, the one sitting on a throne that exists to show that no one rules. If he asked a ruler of alabaster about the truth he would reveal his identity too. Plus the rulers of alabaster would most likely not tell him due to Lilis letter passed down the generations of leaders.
@@KelFle he has the power to kill whoever he wants and to hade traces of himself, that's why he rules in the shadows. And that's why he kills Cobra and everyone now in the one piece world believes Sabo killed him. If you want to build a theory, then what's written in the manga must be taken detail by detail: Imu was irritated, frustrated by discovering that Lili betrayed him, that's why he immediately attacked Cobra; there was delusion at the deepest level in his reaction. That's why it's something you cannot wait for 800 years to know, to listen to. He could have destroyed the whole Alabasta across 800 years just to get what he wanted. To date, this is a nosense.
@@rainyday6428 800 years ago, Lili fled her country entirely and since the alabasta used to belong to the 20 kingdoms that were allied againts Joyboy, I dont think it would paint Imu in a great light with the 19 kingdoms if he were to just destroy the Alabasta then and there knowing full well that the traitor (Lili) was no longer there. You also need to think of how strong Imu's grip are on the 20 kingdoms 800 years ago which was only just established compared to the now braindead celestial dragons that are their descendants
@@Kenzznz cmon i was not literally intending that he should have destroyed Alabasta. It's just a general and hyperbolic expression meant to highlight his power. Power is subtle, but selfish. If you have power, you don't care anymore about anything: the fact that he CARED about that point, that he asked to Cobra if Lili was a betrayor (implicitly he asked that) is enough for us to say that he should have planned a way to get the information earlier. The fact that Alabasta is an allied kingdom (allied, i mean under the flag of the world government) is indeed an aggravating factor: they were accessible, unlike other countries non gravitating around the WG
I don’t know about anyone else but when sakazuki showed up I thought the dialog was more of him saying something along the lines of “I didn’t know any of this bull shit because the high ups refuse to work with me so I’m gonna go force you (vegapunk) to tell me EVERYTHING”
that is how i took it it felt like sakazuki kept getting stoned walled by the elders and things are starting to click for him, and nothing about how angry he is towards the info being known. I wouldn't be suprised that unlike sengoku the elders figured that it was better to not tell sakazuki because he was just better as a guard dog since you don't need your dog to be very smart, since dogs tend to bite there owners on occupations which seems like whats going to happen here.
on another note its fascinating to think about why sengoku (Buddha) new a lot of the world Governments evil but still guarded and upheld all of it, since Buddha is know for being both a God and Devil at the same time. And sakazuki being a dangerous guard dog that has to be controlled or else he could bite back.
@@Gundamman yeah I think it’s very clear the elders don’t actually want him to do shit and instead just want him as their angry dumb guard dog honestly I’d buy it if he knew way less then sengoku
official translation confirms your claim
@@exprolewithk6545 oh hell yeah, how does the official translation ‘differ’ or well what does it say originally
I mean the moment Rayleigh hinted that they were too early in saboady, combined with meeting shirahoshi, it’s clear that the roger pirates would have done something if they could, shirahoshi was born , finally hones her powers, the final piece is Nikas return and forming allies, these things had to happen, the earliest clue was shirahoshi
if we talk about the ancient weapons. its really interesting to speculate what they actually are. because, poseidon, for all we know.. is a living being, a descendant of mermaid kingdom who can command sea kings.
so.. uranus, is powered by the mother flame, so i guess its some sort of a contraption? or a mechanical weapon that needs power? also pluton, franky once had its blueprint, so it can be built. so its like a battleship right?
but.. all these time.. there's one thing bugging me. the fate of kaido and big mom. never in all of one piece arcs, the whereabout and fate of the main villains arc is unknown. from crocodile up to donquixote we all know what they've become. but not big mom and kaido. and its very hard for me to believe that both of them died. they're the strongest by far, and getting knocked out killed them? i dont think its that easy. besides... where they are now? exactly right below wano. where they said Pluton rest. there's probably a reason that Oda draw both of their final blow sent them directly underground. why not sent them flying? or towards the sea? or one underground but one above ground, why both of them needs to be underground? its just keep bugging me. there's probably more to it. or im just overthinking
i was thinking the same thing till a couple of days ago, in the manga its not as clear as in the anime where luffy, kid and law punched big mom and kaido into lava below the surface crust of the planet, or probably not that deep since there is a volcano on the island. so apparently they boiled to death in the lava where not even they could survive...
@@jhonviel7381 yea.. thats what i thought. they couldnt survive that right? surely? but then again... we're talking about one piece here, the level of fictional here is probably the highest i've ever seen in any anime or manga. if oden can survive being boiled/fried for one hour and maybe more if he didnt get shot since there's no sign of his body getting deteriorated even after one hour. and those high level convicts in impel down can easily withstand the amount of heat and cold without even flinch. imagine what someone known especially for their endurance can hold.
i think the only way they die is if they knocked out long enough and their body disintegrated before they regained conciousness. i would argue its probably take a few hours. if at least bigmom is awake, she can definitely do something with her soul power.
but yea.. then again, it might be me just overthinking. for me, its just weird that BOTH of them sent underground for their final moment. im like.. 90% sure that's intentional for their end to be like that. not to mention. momo didnt open wano border right away, while zunisha is ready just outside the island. why Oda make us wait? i just cant help to think, that there's still something left for us to see in wano.
Here is good note for one piece fan, after reading and understanding I come to conclusions that the actual fight was between world government and devil fruit user maybe in ancient time devil fruit must have known by other name(maybe god fruit or sea blessing) after the defeat of joyboy and world government come to rule the world govt made everyone forget about the void centre as well as made a conspiracy theory about "devil fruit" and they named the fruit as "devil fruit". Since we already hinted that devil fruit can be made artificially that makes the ancient kingdom can actually be the real founder of devil fruit. One more thing maybe imu is a royalty of the ancient kingdom who later must have betrayed his own kingdom and family to obtain Immortality or devil fruit technology. He must be a banished prince who later formed an alliance with 20 kingdoms to defeat the ancient kingdom. Maybe the reason is why he fears devil fruit is because of the resistance of the ancient kingdom or remnant of the ancient kingdom who made a last resort to make a god tier fruit which was later used by joyboy. And that remnant of resistance later came to be known as pirates by the world government.
The actual fight is between the royalty of the ancient kingdom. And another thing is that the god tier fruit can actually be used by only few unique people or races (good example are giant and human there might be more different races) which might later come to know as the family of D clan that can be wary from races and the "will of D" is something to do with those god tier fruit. That makes the reason why the world government fears the "D" clan. Here's another part of my theory that is imu is banished royalty or corrupt royalty since he is the royalty of the ancient kingdom who betrayed his family and kingdom for immortality or devil fruit technology. Since he's the royalty he must have the technology of devil fruit and made some real "devil fruit" with evil power that might later come to be used by gorosais/5 elders.
love all the little detail that you explained. what a quality content.
Oda is a maverick now a days, slightly altering the story tropes and elements we would usually see in an arc. We are in the end game.
You really got me with the ad transition. “I don’t remember this part of Vegapunk’s message when did he talk about… oh”
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shiver me timbers with that last line,! About Roger wanted to meet the future JB rather than the past one.
Great analysis as always! Tnx :)
Too bad he didn't credit the redditor that came out with the theory a couple of days ago
We feel roger, too late to discover the seas but too early to travel the worlds.
We're getting closer and closer. After 25 years. I can't even begin to imagine what it'll mean, how many people will it impact. We're about to discover the truths on one of the greatest stories ever written
One theory of mine is that joyboy wanted the weapons preserved so that when the time comes, they could destroy the red line, from air (Uranus), land (Pluton, or should I say from ground level elevation) and the sea (Poseidon, with the sea kings ramming it or something). Once the world drains, the strawhats head to laughtale, and the end.
Could be wrong but I love to think of it this way.
Sounds too basic for one piece.We know it's something much greater than op since luffys dream is not about being pirate king anyways
Is it coincidental that the mother flame finally reappears only after JoyBoy returns? Theory, the presence of JoyBoy powers the mother flame. It disappeared at the end of the Void Century, at JoyBoy’s defeat
This still doesn't explain why it's so necessary to understand who was good and who was bad in the Void Century conflict by not only learning the information in the correct order, but at the correct time. Even if Posiedon takes care of the time part (I personally think it's not the whole answer) that still doesn't account for the order things need to be learned in.
it doesn't account for anything. That would take some actual work. Artur's understanding of OP and Japanese is a as mythical as it's always been.
The last few chapters we’re trying to paint you a better picture, it’s not about good vs evil. It’s a clash of ideologies who had already warred against each other that still continues 800 years later.
@@SpeedyGaming The whole point of ideologies is to determine what is good and what is evil. To say they are separate things entirely would mean that either having an ideology is bad or that all ideologies are ambiguous as to how good or bad each type are. Maybe if there were a precedence in the manga I'd buy that, but the only time it's come up is when the Strawhats are about to do something and the town's people are trying to figure out if what they are about to do is good or bad. Which I'm interpreting as a "actions speak louder than words" kind of thing.
3:48 I think thats the same picture that was in the sunken boat at the beginning of the Skypiea arc
amazing video, arthur!
3:35 the jackal and the falcon being side by side with a sun like image in the middle could possible be tell who JoyBoy's right and left hand man. Much like with Luffy having Zorro and Sanji respectively.
Theory about Imu-sama and the Nefertari family!!
We have been talking for a long time in One piece about cloning, orphans or illegitimate children etc.
Nefertari Lili never returned, Nefertari Titi never returned and Nefertari Vivi urgently seek...
Could it be that Imu-sama is nothing but a clone or the illegitimate child of Nefertari Lili whose cloning went wrong and she was born with a genetic disease desperately seeking Vivi for its healthy genes, to survive a few more centuries.
Remember that the Tenryūbito only reproduce among nobles but what happens to the genetic copy of a genetic copy, the more the process is repeated and the more the DNA branch deteriorates...
They need new genetic branch like Nefertari Lili, Nefertari Titi or Ginney and just like for Vivi selected by Him-sama, another noble needs those of Jewelry Bonne.
The clone often develops many immune problems (eg Sapphire Scales Disease) and heart problems (diving suit, respirator)
Moreover, clones often exhibit developmental disorders and postnatal mortality is very high (Saint Charlos).
Tenryūbito are distinguished by their varied cruelty and morality.
imagine stucy joining luffy as a crew and her new goal now is to protect luffy
This one is also another that makes, to me, the time travel theory is a possibility, Luffy and his crew will go back in time and he is the joyboy of the void century.
No Poseidon. Nobody having eaten the nika fruit and activating it.
Though even then Roger's crew could definitely have at least weakened the world government by storming the place like fisher tiger and take out a few knights but no they just stopped
Even kaido did more by getting suppliers for the underworld with doffy
Or they knew to do some would screw up the schedule.
It would have been pretty futile unless they completely destroyed the world government. Look at how much the world government recovered just two years after waging war with Whitebeard, they're arguably even stronger now then they were back then. There's no way they'd just remain weakened for 20 years...
I'm about to complete my second re-watch/re-read of the entire series and ever since Gear 5 reveal it's been an increasing suspicion of mine that the One Piece is some sort of Scrying Pool/Space-Time Portal combination and that JoyBoy and Luffy are one and the same. Not in the sense that Luffy is JoyBoy's reincarnation but that he's JoyBoy full stop.
Rayleigh's "we were too early/hasty" comments about Roger's crew and the Oharans back in Sabaondy was already suspicious enough, but with Oden's flashbacks and the continuous repetition of "20 years in the future" and "we were too early" speech patterns, it's beginning to feel like Roger's crew and Oden, and by extension Whitebeard and (probably) Shanks as well, saw not just the past but also the future and therefore knew that Luffy was vital for the world because Luffy exists in both timelines. Luffy finds the One Piece, travels back in time to the time of the Ancient Kingdom, befriends a number of relevant characters such as Lily, Zunesha, Poseidon and the like, tries to protect them from the 20 kingdom Alliance but eventually loses.
There are obvious flaws on this theory of course, one of them being that the Nika fruit was in Shanks' possession before Luffy ate it, which in turn means the previous user must have died and then the fruit must have respawned. However, it's hard not to think about it when the "20 years" comment is seen so many times, like, why 20? Why specifically 20? What happens in 20 years that is so special? I mean, how would you know unless you had specific knowledge of who is coming or being born in 20 years? The One Piece is a time glancing / Time traveling tool for sure.
Roger also saying "I wish I had was born in your time Joyboy" meant Luffy I believe. Connecting their "too early" conclusion. Because the world was gonna change and they were gonna be able to see it.
What if imu currently inhabits lilis home on the red line that she abandoned to return to her kingdom - and that's why there's a giant portrait of her in there
Vegapunk has no criticism against the Roger pirates because he wasn't there at laugh tale only Roger pirates know because they too early It had to be done in the right moment of time.
continuing your theory that imu might have bod changed with lili, it would make sense that lili hat the power to controll uranus maybe thats why imu changed bodys so they could controll the ancient weapon (if it works like that) the pattern wpuld match, alabasta was a ally of joyboy so it would make sense for her to controll the last ancient weapon
some panels we see people reacting to luffys real dream, it always makes people laugh, the one piece has the same effect on the people who have found it, something tells me that luffy knows what the one piece is without even realizing it and it is quite literally what he wants most
It just dawned on me that the Blackbeard pirates probably are also listening to this.... And Caribou knows about Poseidon and Pluton, trying to pass that info.
THIS IS ANOTHER (INDIRECT) BB WIN FML. 💀
Yeah Blackbeard is getting the scoop on everything and is about to attack Wano and Fishman Island. Caribou (like others) will gravitate to Blackbeard.
Did anyone remember aikoji vs whiteboard in 476, whitebeard was standing still without harm due to haki, maybe nikas haki is not activated yet to harm the gorose
And maybe Garp like Rogers pirate know the history and knew what Luffy is capable of
The human human food is how to become better, as long as one person believes in this devil fruit holder it will become better and that’s how coby supported luffy in marinefold since he mattered to luffy. Nika fruit will try to do good for people who were close to it and will become better
Also maybe blackbeard is the rare case in the series born with 2 hearts, thus the personality split and was able to acquire 2 DFs using his fruit as well as with the help of the master hypnotist in his crew
Blackbeard will be defeated because he got the army with DF and no Haki. The foreshadowing was confirmed by kaidp when he said Roger had no DF but all haki
Maybe that’s what last Joy boy made a mistake he allowed the gear 5 to be out too soon unlike our joy boy of the present, zunisha and the robot are asking for forgiveness because the acted without telling the older joy boy what they gonna do and that’s what made him look like evil
Blackbeard will be defeated because he got the army with DF and no Haki. The foreshadowing was confirmed by kaidp when he said Roger had no DF but all haki
Maybe that’s what last Joy boy made a mistake he allowed the gear 5 to be out too soon unlike our joy boy of the present, zunisha and the robot are asking for forgiveness because the acted without telling the older joy boy what they gonna do and that’s what made him look like evil.
I believe that the "one piece" is actually a giant drain plug.
Omfg. That would certainly make anyone laugh that sees it. And luffy would be able to drain the sea using g5 wiley coyote cartoon shenanigans. And the reason Roger was too early cuz the sea doesnt need draining yet. Wtf
Now there is just one big missing info about the ancient weapon, what was the "good purpose" of uranus?
As we know, Pluton is a ship that can destroy island, but also build them. Poseidon can command sea kings with theyr destructive power, but also can carry Noah. Uranus can destroy island raising the sea level, we are still missing the but
I feel like another reason as well as to why everyone that found Laughtale, the reason they keep laughing when thinking about it rather than talk about it, is because of the story of the Sun god. The story likely sounding so outlandish and unbelievable, that it is like a absolutely unthinkable joke. But also know even if they did tell everyone about said story, that again, it would sound so absurd that no one would normally believe it. Thus, another reason Roger and the others never bothered to share their stories of the island.
It might have also been written in the land there, that they are not to speak of it explicitly else they damn the world as a whole.
when you put the radio effect on your voice you gotta turn up the gain i think its mostly an eq so you're cutting out the lows makes it hard to hear
10 until birth
15 to grow
I think it's as simple as that, honestly.
We can't have one of the 3 weapons missing.
1- he's not the joy boy
2- shirahushi wasn't even born to fulfill the prophecy
Great video
I still believe that the thousands sunny is pluton 2.0. We can all assume that water 7 will be one the first islands to sink under water and during the final hour I believe that icebergs final message to franky will be that he installed pluton’s capabilities inside the sunny. Iceberg could reveal that he studied plutons blueprints in secret when Tom was still alive. Maybe there like a secret room or button on the sunny to activate it lol
maybe it was nerona lily, before she married and became nertari lily, and imu and lily are brother and sisters?
with the new scans for akainu, it feels as if he wants to hear more and isnt angry at vp
Amazing work,.once again. Not sure why, but i think Sakazuki does not know anything and wanted vegapunk to speak more. I don't think the 5 elders are the type to tell the truth to every new fleet admiral. Therefore, his anger is from realizing that he was left in the dark and is being used as a puppet
Imu has a picture of Lily because Imu IS Lily. More than likely Imu is a Devil Fruit that was forced onto Lily without her consent. This allowed the Devil inside the Fruit that was/is Imu to take over Lily's body. This has already been stated in the story of how Devil Fruits can take over their Host instead of their Host keeping control since typically the Host knowingly eats the Fruit.
That's the biggest difference. Being force fed a Devil Fruit as opposed to willingly consuming one.
Forced - The Devil inside the Fruit takes over
Willingly - The Host maintains control
perfect analysis of the chapter
When i see your videos, i think what am I even reading, you point out so many things from a single chapter that i couldn’t even see, missing so many points, this is how it is read. Can someone tell me is there anyone who reads each one piece chapters like this, or how can I read like this, because the way everything is revealing I am afraid I might miss some points
2:51 seeing the city reconstructed was emotional ...
Roger may of been to early, but he still had a important role to play which was to ignite the flames of war via his death and sow the seeds of chaos to undermine the World Groverment power
Thank you for stating all the things VP didn't know. This is exactly what I've been saying. The Roger pirates couldn't do anything because they were too early.
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I think the Roger Pirates didn't tell the world of what's going to happen, because there is some disaster that "needs" to happen before the world can be freed and making that public could lead to trying to not have that happen. But without it happening the final turn around can't happen.
Pretty Safe to Say that Uranus almost looks inspired from a nuclear weapon, i mean just like a nuclear weapon requires ...you guessed it URANIUM as fuel. This whole mother flame is basically vegapunk trying to harvest the equivalent of Nuclear energy in current world for commercial and user purposes like electricity or advanced gadgets, etc. Could also set up how The ancient kingdom was advanced as we yet in our current world are unable to fully harvest and use nuclear energy to its potential.
I think Demon Sheriff Laffite is literally a demon and I believe that Laffite has been around alot longer than we know as remember in the Skipeia arc we see Luffy and Sanji explore a sunken shipwreck called the St. Briss we see a skull of somebody with a hole in which could indicate that the ancient operation of trepanation has been perform where holes where drilled in the head as a way of warding off demons and in a treasure chest we see a white feather which I believe came from one of Laffite's wings.
Kinda wondering where Nika fruit was when Roger was on Laugh Tale. Was it eaten by someone? Was it hidden somewhere?
or was it the treasure of hachinosu?
Joyboy wanted to pass on the AncientWeapon, probably, due to the fact that Uranus landed in Imu's hand, and the only way for you to fight another ancient weapon is with one yourself
One piece is mindblowing, mother flame equals to aether, which is a periodic table element that was scrapped from the books, super important to unlimited power souce, nikolas tesla talked about this, nowonder why he isn’t talked about in school books for guys like thomas edison
When it comes to ODA-sensei's drawing of silhouettes you can't go by them most of the characters end up looking completely different
The opposite of Love is not Hate. It's indifference.
And Imu is clearly indifferent to almost everyone.
But he hates Lili, because he loved her.
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I actually think Akainu had NO IDEA about most of these things and Vegapunk is saying right now and that's the reason why he's fuming, even though he's the highest position now he's forced to stay in his office all day now and he's in the dark about everything so him being angry is angry with the fact all this info was being withheld from him and that's why the quote "Vegapunk, you're gonna explain everything" carried more weight.. he wants Vegapunk tell him everything his bosses didn't wanna tell him.
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THANK YOU SO MUCH!! I couldn't handle the anticipation to see YOU talking about this chapter, and it was worth it, gladly I don't see Roger and Joyboy as potential "non-good" people. However, that still leaves a hell of an unanswered question... If they came to find everything about the TRAGIC story of the Void Century, why the hell did they laugh? How can something be so funny that would make you laugh even after realizing the massive genocide that happened in the world before?
Imu: girl problems?
Obito: yeah, girl problems
Imu: ready to take over the world and blame women?
Obito: im down
I had the same thought about Imu taking Lily's body!! I had made a comment on Reddit about it. It's weird to me that there would be a framed photo of someone Imu clearly speaks of with hatred
I think Vivi is Lily, Lily and Imu are alive for centuries.
She is waiting for Joy Boy. I've had this wild thought that we don't know what Tiki did on the way from the Void Century. Did she fling any else from any other time to close to now to help out? "We are coming. Expect us on the third day with the rising of the dawn." kind of thing. And there's some kind of tragic tale of twisted emotions here I just can't nail it
would be interesting if it was a big table or a big bonfire, for a big ol feast/party - and they arrived too early for the party - maybe something was being cooked and it wasnt ready
I wouldn't be surprised if Oda has Franky remember the plans for Pluton in order to help them in the upcoming battle.
Just "to let you know," it's very unlikely Vegapunk actually knows the full truth, specifically related to what the Roger pirates saw.
Raftel might end up saying, "oh here's the altar for Nika to suck the water, but the alter appears in 20 years from today!" - Then the Rogers would do nothing because it was essentially useless to do anything.
For Imu to be Lili he would of had to give Lili the perpetual youth operation and shortly before dieing in his own body use the personality switch, seems a bit contrived no? I think theres a motherly and child aspect to Lili and Imu's relationship and that it parallels big mom and mother caramel
I like the idea that Roger was talking about Luffy and not the og joyboy. I would make alot more sense.
do you use the animated manga panels to avoid copyright?
Does anyone find it ironic that Albert Einstein created a nuke and Oda's representation of Einstein created a nuke
Oi, I just want to mention that the change of sound or distortion of sound before your sponsor and throughout the video like 10:58 ; 11:59 is kinda annoying and hard to understand
Question: how did Vegapunk know that Roger pirates knew about void century? did one of Roger crewmates tell him?
My guess is that Vegapunk crossed paths with Crocus and he deemed Vegapunk worthy of telling him some information. I can easily see Vegapunk deducing it but wanting verification from a person who was there Crocus is the only Ex Roger Pirate who is easy to find.
the books at ohara might of had info on what at laughtale or they might have been a glyph that mentions the truth is on the island
Roger and his crew found the Rio poneglyph and learned the history of the world which can only be found if someone took the passages of the other poneglyphs to the final island.
Vegapunk and the mother flame is just doctor octopus in Spiderman 2😂
Oh just realised why Vegapunk was stuck in the Giant when we met him! So he was phasing through it to place the den den Mushi inside 😂
We're not too far from getting spoken lines from Imu in the anime, I wonder what they're gonna do and if we're gonna get any reveals with that.