Belt vs. Mix - What's The Difference - Tyler Wysong
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7:35 Belt vs 9:37 + 10:02 heavy mix
(correct me if I'm wrong Tyler) For anyone trying to hear/understand the difference, Listen to the shape and character of the vowel when jumping between the two examples, and the quality of breathiness in the belt vs the mix. The mix sounds more controlled/ less forced because there are less muscles being recruited/ the muscles are more relaxed and in a shape that allows the first formant to correspond healthily with the first two harmonics. explained here Formants and Harmonics ruclips.net/video/I_0drOESUSI/видео.html
This way you don't have to try and force the muscles to try and keep the first formant boosting the second harmonic and sing with tension. Instead, different shapes and muscle tension being created by the tongue, larynx, vocal tract etc and air flow
lead to the first formant sitting between the first two harmonics and you have a healthy mix that is more versatile than a pure belt, but it takes practice to allow you voice to do that.
I'm finding the mix is more possible when you learn to believe your voice can sound like that without needing to push, and you can avoid tensing the muscles you are used to when belting, seems to me to be about doing more with less but if you panic and doubt yourself you will tense and fall back on heavy belting. It takes practice, like walking a tight rope/ slackline, you can't muscle your way to balance and ease.
That's where the puffy cheek or flow phonation exercises and pinky finger biting come into play, training the system so that only the right muscles and shapes are used.
It's awesome learning all this, it's pretty new to me and was confusing at first (still can be at times) but really powerful.
Love the talks at the end as always too. smart hard work, amen haha.
great to see more content from you, looking forward to this year Tyler, thanks. Let's gooo
Yes wonderfully said!
You talking about formants just blew my mind. I’ve never heard anybody talk about it in singing yet it makes so much sense
Greatly helpful, as always.
Thank you so much!
May this year bring much more success to your
channel. All the best... !
Great video + demonstrations Tyler! I really loved how you qualify your own ideas and examined things from both sides instead of taking a dogmatic approach. Learnt a bunch from this!!
incredible explanation! I have been singin using mostly my chest voice since I started singing nearly one year ago and I just started exploring my mixed voice more with my teacher. I really enjoyed this video! Just got a new subscriber. Im about to binge watch all your videos!
I hope the number of subscribers goes up. You are a great instructor, please don't give up sharing with us your knowledge. Thanks!
I love your demonstrations. they really help.
That`s really amazing, how easy you can explain all the theory behind it. I`m pretty sure most of the voice teachers have never heard of these things:D
I'm speechless!!! Really wonderful class. Thanks teacher.👏👏👏
Great job Tyler!
Such great information! An actual scientific approach, with excellent demonstration to back it up 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Tyler has to be one of the best vocal coaches there is. Passionate. Clear. Precise. 👌🏼
thoughtful, articulate, outstanding!! 🙆🏻♀👍
Just great, as usual, man, thank you for your efforts!!!
Thank you my friend!
Wow! Thank you! I never think about formants from that point of view! It's really cool!
This guy is seems a mixture of brett manning, seth riggs, and kenneth bozeman school of Voice.
And you are my voice guy, i learned more especially the scientific details of formant tuning. I want to apply this also to my voice students.
:)
Thanks a lot.
Thank you for great content!!! 👏
Thank you so much for your advices thank you so much for your share your knowledge with us You are really wise beyond the tips about the mix voice ! Thanks!
@5:16 or there abouts, this is where working with Tyler is so rewarding.
After probably 6-10months of deliberate training with Tyler’s method, I can sing a D ABOVE high C, more reliably than what I used to sing a G-A above middle C like.
Does it take more effort??, yes. But it’s easier. I know that’s a hard concept to grasp if you havnt been there, but trust me. For those out there who are just starting, at whatever age, keep going. ☺️
As always, thanks Tyler :)
I appreciate you man! Your voice is epic!!!
How did you build that way of singing, I feel like I can't find mix, I don't think yet I have a mixed voice, how do I begin to build it ? I can only belt to sing in chest high
@@musicval7462 Well I started out by doing everything completely wrong when I was young. So much tension in my neck and face even when talking. Also I had tension under my chin when I would breathe. How sad is that haha.
Everyone is different, but I would start off by working on unhealthy neck or face strain, tongue tension, jaw tension etc. most humans deal with that at some stage. Once that starts to ease off, long before it’s gone completely, you’ll find the voice feels a bit more floaty on its own.
Also, if you’re serious about it, get Tyler’s mix voice course. If you stick to the first lesson part for just 2-3 weeks, you’ll start to notice new tonal quality’s popping up on random notes in your range :D
I've been fuckin around the Internet searching for better guide towards belting register. And finally i bumped into this video . thanks a lot .
Thank you!
Thanks, love it.
Awesome, thank you!
Brilliant explanation. Gonna get myself some new habits!
Thank you.. your explanation 👍👍☺️
I really like Mixing. In fact im practicing your technique and it really helps me to all my gig’s. Coz its really different when I’m using your mixing method. And im keep on practicing coz my dream was to able to sing Sting or some Stevie Wonder key. I hope i can make it. Maybe someday. Coz i believe mixing really need to understand your own voice and trying to feel whats going on when ur trying to practice mixing. I believe really need spend more time and work hard of practicing Mixing. Thank’s Master Tyler.
The return of the king! Let’s hope this year you get to 20K!
Thank you my friend! Let’s gooo!!!
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@@tylerwysong you’re welcome!
This is such an enlightening explanation of formants and harmonics, and effecto of mouth opening and so many things! Welcome back! BTW can you please tell me what video is where you show/discuss the hi he ha ho hu resonance strategy of the seconf formant?
Really well explained
Thank you!
Thanks for the goosebumps at the end
Absolutely!
Your videos are great! I hate that I just found you today. Btw you're voice is great as well!
Lately I've been trying to not open my mouth a lot for high notes, and I've been noticing good things
Thank you for the Pinky Biting exercise. It instantly helped me.
You're awesome bro
I appreciate you!
Awesome 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Thank you!
I love that mixed belt...It's more confortable too right. You use several exercises that voice therapis use and i need them cause i got rasp voice just by talking loud and heavy and constrict my laringis by stress. You do love that song 'When a man loves a woman'...you sing that song been awhile...lol
Was a total SLS guy till last year. Now, I think that as a vocalist, you should try to be able to do every kind of sound (that doesn't hurt your voice). I can belt and sing in mix. Not close to even perfect yet but I wakeup and learn everyday.
Yes for sure! Similar path to mine!
Yeah we have to look to new ways to approach the singing, cause even good methods improve.
Tyler, I am so frustrated. I studied classically in college and recieved a vocal performance degree. I have been singing professionally for 19 years, in NYC, at theaters around the country and on cruise ships. In college I was just learning to sing in what we called opera head voice. I was just grasping it when I finished college and was able to sustain a powerful B natural at my senior recital. Once I started working, it was never singing classical music and I slowly began to lose my ability to "mix" and began extending my chest voice. I also sang a lot of rock music and it 2014 I was cast in Rock of Ages as Stacee Jaxx. I began sort of screaming in my falsetto during the 7 month contract and by the time that was done, I had all but forgotten how to get into that lovely operatic mix that you so easily can access. For the next four or five years my technique continued to deteriorate and now I max out of a G natural. I am currently working for a major cruise company and I love my job. I'm making great money, but I have to sing high A naturals in a few numbers and I've having a lot of trouble and sounding pretty bad. I've been trying to get into my mix up there, but it's not working. It flips into an airy and difficult falsetto. It doesn't song healthy or good. I like the puffed cheek exercise, but the head voice seems so weak. It doesn't have that "ping" and even on mic it sounds weak. I'm really struggling. Do you think I have damaged my voice, or do you think I'm technically approaching something incorrectly. Obviously you would have to hear me to tell, but I'm just curious if you have encountered anyone like me. I feel like I am popping up there, but it sounds weak and closed off. I also get stuck in my nose a bit. I'm going to get your mix masterclass. But I just wonder if it is even possible for me at this point to rehabilitate my voice. Ugh
It’s totally possible. You just need to stop singing for a while. Let your voice rest and reset. Give your vocal cords a chance to come back to the feeling of a lighter coordination. When you push chest for too long, over too long of a period, your voice just doesn’t want to balance anymore.
A good ‘mix’ is mainly head voice anyway IMO. So if you’re having a problem finding the coordination and want to make a start, see if you can find a light pianissimo head voice and start leaning into it. As non-airy as possible.
I have been trying so hard to mix my voice. I naturally tend to belt, but it is very tiring. And I really want to extend my vocal range, and without doing things that might damage my vocal cords.
I agree that belting and mixing are different. They sound different and are produced differently. Why would we even use different terms if belting was also just singing high notes in a mix or loud mix. Your examples were good. I use a belt for maybe a couple of notes at the most in certain songs for intensity and will mix like you did for most of the really high notes for intensity. I can belt a G4, but consider higher notes than that a mix. Certain vowels work to belt and others end up creating a mix. I can mix up to an F5, but would never call C5-F4 a true belt. It's definitely a mix. It's odd that so many videos say they show singers "belting," but they are mostly just singing a mix. I even watch belting instruction videos and they're just singing a loud and bright mix. I'm glad you recognized the differences. I feel and hear them so it's frustrating when the terms are used interchangeably. Lots of mixed sounds can be more closed like you demonstrated and even use "cover," while actual belting is wider and forward. I like your videos. They confirm a lot of my conclusions. There are so many schools of thought and techniques, but I also realize that it's all about the desired sound and what gets you to your destination and most efficiently without causing unintended problems. Good work!
Yes I totally agree! That’s why I love the formant and harmonics because it gives us something to literally point too instead of getting stuck in a terminology minefield. There is a lot of perception deception that goes on when singing so it’s understandable that there are so many differing optimism’s and schools of thought.
"At the mercy of your teacher's terminology" - WELL SAID!
I would love to learn to mix that way, but there's just something I can't figure out. How loud do I need to be to sing this ? Because if I just stay as loud as my speaking register I can't get this coordination and otherwise I just feel like I'm belting
I think the most comon mistake newbies make when belting is not using proper support, from the obliques particurlarly in my case, any thoughts? This was a really cool video by the way Ty Thanks!
Yes I would agree with that! I would add while maintaining some rib expansion to counter the support from the abs.
I was shocked at 7:39 ! I’ve never seen a male vocal coach that has the same vibrato as mine!🙌🏻 ive seen some male coaches with the goat/fast vibrato (dont know how to describe it lol)
I would love to see you sing a ballad song! It suits your voice
3:20 I been trying to do that without success for hours 😂😂
I just end up in falsetto or a more, but not a breathy one, i mean a falsetto without air leaking
This is deep. Im trying to figure out my mix then just lost it. lol.
A4 is the ceiling to my chest voice. Trying to “flip” smoothly to A# or B is so weak!!!! Then C5 gains in strength and clarity. Frustration abounds!!
I dont hear my break when I am making sirens, say from g3 to g4, but that g4 doesnt sound strong. Am I simply not in mix or is there a component of voice that I don’t know how to control yet?
Yes potentially it’s just lightening up a little to much. Of course I am not hearing the sound you are making so I’m just guessing.
This is really difficult for me to get by. I'm originally a Countertenor and was trained in the head voice. I eventually learned how to mix some of that by putting more resonance in the mask and the breathing support to do High Tenor. Unfortunately, I can only do mixed voice. I cannot do belt at all but I have an overall bright voice for an adult male (late 30s in age, at this point). When I sing warm Tenor, my voice is light/airy/raspy but when I sing High Tenor, it's more clearer and technical but can sound really young above a C#5.
Try dropping your larynx and darkening the vowel (towards ah, oh, oo) in your lower range. That will give you more substance lower down.
Try dropping your larynx and darkening the vowel (towards ah, oh, oo) in your lower range. That will give you more substance lower down.
3:15 talking about formants
*Queen Sohyang*
Is the *Queen of Mixed Voice in the World*
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Your short demo has me wondering whether "When a man loves a woman" could be made to work in a full mixed voice or if it would end up just sounding ridiculous...
Did you ever end up trying it out?
when i am getting into mix my voice cracks why is that??
Pls do a demo of song Open Arms
You mean like a cover? Or a video on how to approach that song?
@@tylerwysong yes sir,
Happy 2024 🎉🎉
Happy New Year!
I already know how to mix but whenever im singing at Bb4-d5 its like the volume is thinning
Probably need to modify more toward an Eh vowel as in “Yay”
How about drive?
You should do some modelling. (I am serious)
Ha! Thank you!
Why does my voice tend to get brighter when I attempt to belt in high notes?
Probably the pharyngeals walls are narrowing (which isn't a bad thing) potentially the larynx is rising (not such a great thing). Those would be the two things I would think.
I've been looking around and trying different approaches, so i found that if I open my mouth progressively as i ascend i pitch with an opened throat, the resonance gets stronger, which allow hitting high notes too, it's just a bit louder than a mixed voice. But is that what you're referring to as the type of belting that you'd be against?
If working on staying in Chest voice can sing high for everyone, the all vocal teachers are going to lose their job, only those who can already do mix belting can really do that and they are the group that doesn’t need much training.
I truly love your videos Tyler, fantastic!
Agreed!
Nah theres more to singing than just the high notes. I had those things before I even had a vocal coach. For example I'm terrible at riffs and runs. I think its important to learn both. So you have options I wouldnt really ever use a C5 chest belt though I can it doesn't fit the music i sing which is pop and rnb. Where as mixed is usually more used in those genres. I found a stronger mix through belting.
@@levelfourteen I agreed. But you are the ones whose singing was intially better than the average, a lot actually couldn’t even sing a simple smoothly. So the musicality part is not possible or pretty hard to start with.
@@vincentchen5341 High notes in general are subjective. The average guy won't be able to a G4 in chest most likely. I started off with slightly more range but my tone and pitch, rhythm etc were much worse than average. After singing for 4 years it's only been within the last year that everything I've learned is paying off. I've gotten a vocal coach only recently because I'm getting closer to being a good singer but my goal has always been to be a great singer. Enough to move someone to tears.I've always had G4 and A4 but it took years to be able to go beyond that in chest. My current max is C5(C5#).
10:10 damn, i can't hear the difference
I got distracted by how handsome you are. Sorry will like and have my stupid ass play replay lmao
I got lost with the formants :(
Isn't belting just support? You know belt right? Mix, head, and chest are all placement.
You could think of that way.
Pull the *cough - ken * chest *cough - tamplin - cough* voice up.
@MinorSingingAirhead really?
@MinorSingingAirhead Can you upload a demo of your singing? I actually like the belting aproach and raising chest voice higher more than what many teachers call "mix". By doing that I'm able to sing rock ballads that I can't by mixing. What kind of music do you sing? Because I'm not sure I can actually use mix voice to sing rock/metal songs, at least from G4 up to D5, for me it needs to be belting. I'm a tenor btw.