“ You smugly run in circles while your mum’s clapping gets progressively more passive aggressive” If that ain’t the most accurate summary of jokers smash victory screen, IDEK
@Noblesse Obligee Regardless of the amount of desires, a person's twisted desire or desires manifest in the metaverse as a single treasure within their palace, secondly a person that is unaware of the metaverse will have no way to stop their desires from being stolen or directly interfer with the Phantom Thieves leaving all the work to their shadow. Please if you're gonna make comments on a characters abilities at least have the sense to not use Smash as a ground work seeing as its literally a child playing with toys.
0:16 That's like . . . not even an exaggeration. I remember the day it was announced the internet couldn't calm down for like 48 hours. Meanwhile I'm here like, "maybe I should play Persona 5."
Literally same that's how I found her channel saying I should know what I'm getting into if I want to play this which took me to Persona 5 for Beginners
I never even played P5 (was waiting for the eventual remaster we know as The Royal), but as a major P4 fan, i even feel like I nutted multiple times when they announced joker... and more so, i'm not that big on smash since i stopped playing brawl
NGL, Joker being included in Smash is what got me interesting in P5. Buns' reaction was "Gee guess I'm buying Smash now", mine was "Gee, guess I'm buying Persona 5 now". But then stuff and things happened and now I'm just gonna wait until The Royal comes out
I would still recommend playing the original version eventually if you get the chance. The way Persona does enhanced versions, they are almost completely different experiences from the original, so playing the original versions still has its merits.
David Vasquez i prefer, Riyi? Riujy? Ryuji? I don't remeber but i prefer that boy and OH GOD i would do anything for that guy to exist in real life, but *oh well* , if Buns says that's my "boy* then its ma *boy*
BONUS: if you finish the last player off with the final smash, it will transition straight to the victory screen based on the all out attack variation of the victory screen.
@@SpecterReaper look at the freaking color!! Purple is persona 1 red is persona 2 blue is persona 3 yellow is persona 4 and BLACK is the original persona 5!
Hey Mr. Black! Love your vids, if you're a fan of Persona series yourself, please make more videos about analyzing the style innovation over the series and how P5 looks great!
Not gonna lie: I was looking for a “how to use Joker and combos ” video, instead I found “one of the best videos of all RUclips” this video literally make and save my day. Thank you so much, never change
@tealymealy I mean to be fair when i searched up his canon name because i like playing as his name, it did show up as Akira. I've played over 500hr as Akira, like hell I'm gonna call him ren
Ren and Akira are different version of Joker. Ren is that player who picks the stupid options in dialogue choices and Akira is the average first playthrough. that's my head canon at least
@@BoostedMonkey05 Akira is the one who cares more for the story elements than the gameplay. Ren is the one who has effectively snapped the game over his knee like a tree branch and speedruns for perks and trophies.
i wake up and boom im a rat dude I literally was in a 1v1 with a Bayonetta user. I was hysterical when somehow I manage to win with Joker by literally dodging and 99% luck
Well, I guess the P2 kick is fair, since Atlus apparently will never give that game a proper gameplay or the ability to play the complete duology without selling your soul to the devil to know where to get them both in English in barely tolerable states. Edit : Aww, finally noticed the "please play Persona 2", my soul is partially healed ! :D
Well, P2 is still more of a Persona game than P1 that's closer to SMT, but the gameplay is still really slow and encounter rate is a little insane, which can make dungeons a bit of a drag on PS1 or PSP, but stories and characters are what make me still like this duology, despite all those other elements (also, P2 is easier than P3, P4 Vanilla or P5, so that also helps).
I've seen this guy around a couple times and I wanted to figure out more about the character because he looked cool so glad you did a video on this! Your explanations are hilarious!
@@shinon5109 No reason But I would recommend it, if you're into Cinema Sins. He does EWW parodies and I genuinely think he's funnier than them Maybe avoid his most recent collab vids though. They aren't his best work.
Also, your editting has become pretty good over the years, you should be proud, it fits your humor/skits pretty well nowadays with the unexpected jokes thrown in it, improvements across the board, thanks for the videos and I hope you have a good year.
I still remember how many people were ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY SURE that if Atlus had a representative in Smash it would be Jack Frost and they didn't even wanted to consider a Persona Protagonist. B-b-b-but he's muh Shin Megami Tensei's mascot! They said. Guess SMT's mascot isn't nearly as popular as Joker is.
Persona 5 - Original Persona 4 - Yellow Persona 3 - Blue Persona 2 - Red Persona - Purple It's sad that Persona 1 & 2 are treated as a non-existant meme.
I love the Futaba/Inkling joke as well as the "Bayonetta is Joker's Mom" joke. I also love how the Smash community has instantly recognized these two jokes as basically canon. Warms my heart.
2:21 After she says "And that's it!" you can see for a split second when her icon disappears "PLEASE PLAY PERSONA 2" lmao -Pretty sure some have pointed it out already-
As a boiyo who only got my Switch on Black Friday of last year and immediately preordered Smash, I gotta admit it feels like the, pardon the pun, ultimate bit of fan service for Sakurai to give me Joker. I got Persona 5 the day before launch due to early release at Gamestop, was the first person to walk out with a copy that night, and proceeded to 100% the game within no less than 3 playthroughs because I suck.
Oooh. I got it. You used P4 and P5 Dancinng/Anime/Canon names but P3 Manga name (Dancing/Movie name is Makoto Yuki). Not pissed nor dissapointed. People got used to it and the movie happened way long after the game was released.
Buns, I don't care what anyone says, your Beginner videos help me out a lot. This video has given me a better understanding on how to handle playing Joker in Smash. Thank you!
It’s funny because I abandoned the Smash series since Brawl, but I FELL IN LOVE with Persona 5. I was one of those people that could not calm down after that announcement. lol That DLC is what pushed me to actually want this Smash game. Now I just need a Switch lol
that trailer and your reactions along with Shenpai's are what got me into Persona 5. I want to thank you for helping me find my new favorite comfort game.
This is already one of the biggest videos that shows SMT Strange Journey (even if it's mocking it). This game deserves way more love than it currently has.
Jeez Bun. You sure that your a stick of butter and not a loaf of bread? Cause the disrespect on the P2 skin was...TOASTY! XD Glad to see you back. I just pray, for your own sake that sekiro isn't next
@@michaelwright1603 isn't he called Ren in the dancing games? I know the probably aren't canon either, but Atlus did make them, so I'm calling that evidence
@@blademaster5074 Sadly, although people got used to it, Atlus allegedly uses Anime/Movie/Dancing/Arena games hero's names to be canon. Minato is the giant elephant because we got the name very late (several years after P3FES, a four-part movie released revealing Makoto Yuki as the canon and then P3D and P5D also used the name. He went as ??? in P4A), With Yu, Souji Seta didn't grew attached and time later came P4 Arena and the anime. With Ren was even sooner and people were thirsty for a name and just grabbed the most edgelord name to be ever created ("A Killer Curse" does NOT portray the essence of the hero, in my opinion) that appeared in the manga, a piece of media that isn't recognized as canonically appropriate by Atlus, but the anime gave us Ren Amamiya and is used in P3D and P5D too.
He’s finally gonna make Yoshi admit to his Tax evasion
MrPotato isn’t that Villager's problem?
@@alanzapreservationtheythem2861 more like the victim.
What?????
Killian experience
bold of you to assume joker wouldn’t commit tax evasion himself
When Nintendo acknowledges the inkling Futaba meme
Yeah I know
Heh, Yeah
Also they made the joke with Yusuke cause in English he and Chrom have the same VA XD
Shiny Blue Also in Japanese.
@@snorIaxatives Also they look similar.
“ You smugly run in circles while your mum’s clapping gets progressively more passive aggressive”
If that ain’t the most accurate summary of jokers smash victory screen, IDEK
XD BAYONETTA IS JOKERS MOM CONFIRMED!!!
I'll forever love the running joke of Bayonetta being Joker's mom.
Cmon, it’s almost like they’re related tho
I think Vincent and one of the Catherines from Catherine could be his parents.
@@mistamemewide they at totally different series,yet it doesn't matter.
I don't know why but that part made me laugh so hard.
And Sakamoto's
*Joker hears the bayonetta passive-aggressive clapping from afar*
Joker: *Scared Thief noises*
@Noblesse Obligee Regardless of the amount of desires, a person's twisted desire or desires manifest in the metaverse as a single treasure within their palace, secondly a person that is unaware of the metaverse will have no way to stop their desires from being stolen or directly interfer with the Phantom Thieves leaving all the work to their shadow. Please if you're gonna make comments on a characters abilities at least have the sense to not use Smash as a ground work seeing as its literally a child playing with toys.
AT Productions she does look like his mom tho
9:03 Wish granted. Sora is finally part of the game.
0:16
That's like . . . not even an exaggeration. I remember the day it was announced the internet couldn't calm down for like 48 hours.
Meanwhile I'm here like, "maybe I should play Persona 5."
Literally same that's how I found her channel saying I should know what I'm getting into if I want to play this which took me to Persona 5 for Beginners
I never even played P5 (was waiting for the eventual remaster we know as The Royal), but as a major P4 fan, i even feel like I nutted multiple times when they announced joker...
and more so, i'm not that big on smash since i stopped playing brawl
Have you played it yet? If not, get on it ya nerd.
@@HarrisBoe If only it came out for the Switch...
Accurate
NGL, Joker being included in Smash is what got me interesting in P5. Buns' reaction was "Gee guess I'm buying Smash now", mine was "Gee, guess I'm buying Persona 5 now". But then stuff and things happened and now I'm just gonna wait until The Royal comes out
I would still recommend playing the original version eventually if you get the chance. The way Persona does enhanced versions, they are almost completely different experiences from the original, so playing the original versions still has its merits.
Same
Joker in Smash got me in the Persona series in general.
Joker in Smash got me hooked on persona and now I’m playing P3 FES on an old ps2
@@nategwright I have P3 FES and P4 and P3P on a PSP emulator and P4G.
Normal people at 4AM: zzz
Buns at 4AM: THEY WILL NEVER SEE IT COMIIIIIIIIIIING
So true
I saw it coming. I get up for work at about 4am, cause I'm allegedly an adult.
But... 3 hours ago was 2 o clock
Timezones. They're a thing.
@@PyroCeras Damn it, beat me to it! 8P
"That summons your persona Aresen when full"
"Hi sisters"
I was so done at that point. It's almost 1am and I'm trying not to laugh at this.
I threw my phone xD
I SCREAMED AFTER I HEARD IT 😭
There is one thing purposely said in this video that everyone is gonna "um actually" over and I'mma leave it up to you to figure out what that is
We luv ya bunssss
SuperButterBuns HMMMMMM
❤ Ur da best buns
Um actually
Your videos r Always truly top teir. lve your voice demeanor n everything hun
“Be careful! I sense death!”
“Excuse me?”
Killed me.
“Persona 4 and Persona 3, and that’s it!”
*Sad motorcycle noises*
*.........vrrroom :( *
I think we could all use some of Maya's positivity -
Jokes aside, it's nice that they acknowledged P2 and P1 in the color options. It's SOMETHING at least.
Isn't Hitler the bad guy in Persona 2?
@Pixu yes and do. He's a bad guy but not THE bad guy.
“Your boyfriend’s cosplay-“
😂😂😂
David Vasquez i prefer, Riyi? Riujy? Ryuji? I don't remeber but i prefer that boy and OH GOD i would do anything for that guy to exist in real life, but *oh well* , if Buns says that's my "boy* then its ma *boy*
BONUS: if you finish the last player off with the final smash, it will transition straight to the victory screen based on the all out attack variation of the victory screen.
"Persona 4 with the yellow costume, Persona 3 with the blue costume... and that's it"
The red one was persona 2
@@valerieyggdrasil7984
nO It'S ObViOuslY FRoM PerSoNA 5.
@@SpecterReaper look at the freaking color!! Purple is persona 1 red is persona 2 blue is persona 3 yellow is persona 4 and BLACK is the original persona 5!
@@valerieyggdrasil7984
I don't know if you're being serious or not, but I definitely wasn't.
@@SpecterReaper watch persona 2 right now if u don,t know don,t u dare talk back!! All of the color represent all of the game!! From persona 1 to 5!!
2:20 "And that's it" I knew you did that on purpose Buns.
Why you gotta hurt me like this?
More like 2:20...
@@TheTaintedWisdom Oh didn't realise, my bad mate!
At least it says play p2 for a frame
2:21 for the ones who got their heart broken, at least it said "Please play Persona 2"... for, like, a frame.
“Now thats What I call thorough!”
“Watch out! I sense Death!”
“Excuse me...?”
I laughed so hard at that part! LMFAO
AH SPIT! RUN JESUS RUUUUN!
Sorry. Reflex.
*clink clink clink*
@@MasterXehanort1000 (Screams like a little bitch)
*heavy breathing and murderous intent*
love too win smash fights by filling captain falcon up with actual lead from Gun
Hey Mr. Black! Love your vids, if you're a fan of Persona series yourself, please make more videos about analyzing the style innovation over the series and how P5 looks great!
It’s actually technically a model gun, not a real one
My friends: Can we listen to something else than "Mass destruction" in mementos
Me: BABYBABYBABYBABYBABY...
YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAH
Set it up so it’s on every stage except mementos
Burn my bread.
Kain Landin
Well this is surprising. How nice to see you again.
Kain Landin
So how is it going?
I loved how Akechi's skin is your boyfriend's
And I agree
Fuck akechi
@@babyyoda3215 Ah we wish we could.
@@Ryusola As Danny Sexbang once said: "I want to cry and jerk off into some pancakes."
So it is canon, right?? 😂😂😂😂
That comment is not wrong.
"We live in a socie- Oh Wait , wrong Joker"
We must take back society!
But also this Joker too, to a lesser extent
I mean.. that's literally the P5 plot, technically.
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Not gonna lie: I was looking for a “how to use Joker and combos ” video, instead I found “one of the best videos of all RUclips” this video literally make and save my day. Thank you so much, never change
Cougar Chaser😂
Bayonetta is so proud.
is it any wonder that Bayo's son knows how to talk to a lady?
Oh god the intro alone has me in stitches.
Me: *Is under the understanding that everyone calls Joker, Akira.”
Buns: *Calls him Ren*
Me: **CONFLICTED**
@tealymealy I mean to be fair when i searched up his canon name because i like playing as his name, it did show up as Akira. I've played over 500hr as Akira, like hell I'm gonna call him ren
@@ash64181 I personally named my joker haremfucker247 and hassou tobi
Ren and Akira are different version of Joker. Ren is that player who picks the stupid options in dialogue choices and Akira is the average first playthrough. that's my head canon at least
I made his first name Ren and his last name Akria sue me
@@BoostedMonkey05 Akira is the one who cares more for the story elements than the gameplay.
Ren is the one who has effectively snapped the game over his knee like a tree branch and speedruns for perks and trophies.
Fish Futaba is my favorite P5 character
I just realised that Joker will have 2 amiibos . the normal skin and the uniform outfit
just like Cloud
oh
my
But what about Bayo?
Nope he just had 1
Sadly not
MOVE ASIDE ASSESSMENTS, BUNS JUST DROPPED A NEW VID!
The Cho-taku I should be studying as well
Yep
F Endgame!!! :D
SuperButterBuns: *Makes a video*
Whole entire video: *He WiElDs A gUn*
Huh, a "for beginners" on a character from a game instead the game itself? You must be a Phantom Thief, because you stole my heart and my attention.
Har har
Buns: "Please play Persona 2"
Me: DO IT!!!
HOLY SHIT, MY BODY IS READY!!!! *even tho i have school but who cares honestly*
Samr
I can't write
Absolute mood. I wake up in an hour soooo
Morgana is coming with that frying pan!
*MORGANA WANT TO KNOW YOUR LOCATION*
thank u for establishing that bayonetta is in fact joker’s mom i appreciate this
Without the demon stuff
@@thanos9189 no with the demon stuff. where do you think joker got the angst from
i wake up and boom im a rat dude I literally was in a 1v1 with a Bayonetta user. I was hysterical when somehow I manage to win with Joker by literally dodging and 99% luck
Well, I guess the P2 kick is fair, since Atlus apparently will never give that game a proper gameplay or the ability to play the complete duology without selling your soul to the devil to know where to get them both in English in barely tolerable states.
Edit : Aww, finally noticed the "please play Persona 2", my soul is partially healed ! :D
EP in English isnt too bad on Ps1. I know it still has some references to P1 but they dont ruin it.
Well, P2 is still more of a Persona game than P1 that's closer to SMT, but the gameplay is still really slow and encounter rate is a little insane, which can make dungeons a bit of a drag on PS1 or PSP, but stories and characters are what make me still like this duology, despite all those other elements (also, P2 is easier than P3, P4 Vanilla or P5, so that also helps).
3:34 I... I think I died from delicious nostalgia for a second there. I freaking love Shiva.
FUCKING LOVE THE TINY MEMES INBETWEEM. Amazing job, Buns. Fucking love your editing and humor.
I've seen this guy around a couple times and I wanted to figure out more about the character because he looked cool so glad you did a video on this! Your explanations are hilarious!
2:22 " ... and that's it. "
Pfft... sadly XD
'Least with the red I can imagine it's an Innocent Sin reference.
It's
Come on guys
It's the main color of Persona 5
That's why it's a color option
Also because it looks cool
@@gorade1901 nah, it's Dante from the Devil may cry series
@@shinon5109 Off chance but do you watch a channel by the name of Charriii5?
@@gorade1901 nope, why?
@@shinon5109 No reason
But I would recommend it, if you're into Cinema Sins. He does EWW parodies and I genuinely think he's funnier than them
Maybe avoid his most recent collab vids though. They aren't his best work.
"who posts a video at 4 in the morning??"
buns: "OH BOY 4 AM"
"be careful! I sense death!"
*excuse me*
Watching this 3 years later with Sora as the last character added is slightly amusing. Also yes past Buns we did get Sora and it was amazing!
Was gonna go to bed, but Buns blessed me with this video. I hope Morganna doesn't notice. X3
Blazikenpwnsyou 2+2 = *GO TO BED*
Also, your editting has become pretty good over the years, you should be proud, it fits your humor/skits pretty well nowadays with the unexpected jokes thrown in it, improvements across the board, thanks for the videos and I hope you have a good year.
Shouldn't you be sleeping, I say while I stay up till 4 in the morning.
(Ed) you also forgot about Etrian Odyssey.
6:16 I can relate, Wii fitness trainer is one of my mains
You forgot the tiniest detail of Arsene also changing the properties of normal attacks and that's why I'll throw people into TVs
9:05 I find it funny how joker was the first DLC fighter and then it ended with sora with pack two.
I'd never watch this kind of video if it wasn't done by Buns.
Messy IIX sames. The editing and jokes was worth the price of admission alone
5:37
I was waiting for Bayo to be mentionned😁
Imagine having Kingdom Hearts in Smash but the fighter is Xehanort
Me: Xehanort, Eh... I prefer *_LIGHTSABER HANDS MAGEE XEMNAS_*
8:40 AHHHHHHH KIRBY JOKER'S POWER IS SO FREAKING CUTE
I still remember how many people were ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY SURE that if Atlus had a representative in Smash it would be Jack Frost and they didn't even wanted to consider a Persona Protagonist. B-b-b-but he's muh Shin Megami Tensei's mascot! They said. Guess SMT's mascot isn't nearly as popular as Joker is.
Yes Sora on the Switch please!!!! One of these days I swear I’m gonna get this system. Thanks for the video buns!
Persona 5 - Original
Persona 4 - Yellow
Persona 3 - Blue
Persona 2 - Red
Persona - Purple
It's sad that Persona 1 & 2 are treated as a non-existant meme.
Anthony8851 it’s because that’s what the company treats them like. So the fans do the same shit but meme it.
@@Moon_OG Well that comes down to fanbase.
I am proud to be the generation of Persona 3 Baby
Baby?
*Mass destruction intensifies*
Buns confirmed. Bayonetta is Jokers mom :D
The video I didn't know I needed until you dropped this gem
THANK YOU
*sees first For Beginners in a long time* ... I am a simple man.... I see a SuperButterBuns video, I click it.
Your editing fills my soul with joy.
Ngl the part at 7:25 somewhat spooked me.
All there was left to do was add them chains
I love the Futaba/Inkling joke as well as the "Bayonetta is Joker's Mom" joke. I also love how the Smash community has instantly recognized these two jokes as basically canon. Warms my heart.
2:21 After she says "And that's it!" you can see for a split second when her icon disappears "PLEASE PLAY PERSONA 2" lmao
-Pretty sure some have pointed it out already-
Kasumi well yeah but more above
Philemon's saga cannot be forgotten
Love the new credits sequence. It's a lot more compact and soft looking, props to Shari.
As a boiyo who only got my Switch on Black Friday of last year and immediately preordered Smash, I gotta admit it feels like the, pardon the pun, ultimate bit of fan service for Sakurai to give me Joker.
I got Persona 5 the day before launch due to early release at Gamestop, was the first person to walk out with a copy that night, and proceeded to 100% the game within no less than 3 playthroughs because I suck.
PLEASE THE "Hi Sisters!" WAS OUT OF NOWHERE LMFAO.
9:02 buns relax, we got what we wanted now
My god I love the energy in these videos
I don't even have a switch or play Smash but damn I love Joker
Omg the Arsene summoning with James Charleses "Hi sisters" made me spit out my food. I CANT!
Oooh. I got it. You used P4 and P5 Dancinng/Anime/Canon names but P3 Manga name (Dancing/Movie name is Makoto Yuki). Not pissed nor dissapointed. People got used to it and the movie happened way long after the game was released.
I love that you used the Regalia's vroom for Arsene charging at Ness
Words can not quite describe how hard I laughed at 4:27.
6:44 i always pick our beggining wtf its so good
I may have closed my eyes to go to bed already, but as soon as I got the notification for this video, my third eye was born.
Now we have Sora in Smash and soon Persona 5 on switch
3:52 HI SISTERS
Honestly though aresen does kind a look like James Charles
Joker: *Does anything*
My brain: "This is an extreme thirst!"
4:32 Take your heart? More like take your life.
Buns, I don't care what anyone says, your Beginner videos help me out a lot. This video has given me a better understanding on how to handle playing Joker in Smash. Thank you!
It’s funny because I abandoned the Smash series since Brawl, but I FELL IN LOVE with Persona 5. I was one of those people that could not calm down after that announcement. lol That DLC is what pushed me to actually want this Smash game. Now I just need a Switch lol
9:04 dammit buns, you actually predicted the future.
If Nintendo announced Sora for SSBU. I can't wait for the beginners guide for it.😄
that trailer and your reactions along with Shenpai's are what got me into Persona 5.
I want to thank you for helping me find my new favorite comfort game.
The day it was announced was the day I realized that I had wasted all my money buying a switch and Smash just to play as Joker
This is already one of the biggest videos that shows SMT Strange Journey (even if it's mocking it). This game deserves way more love than it currently has.
I dont appreciate the lowkey bully of smt and p1 n 2 ( ;w;)
I think you mean 1, 1 part 2, and 2
@@scottrauch1261 Emm... You got it a little wrong.
It's 1, 2, 2 part 2
@@pmintertek sounds right too lazy to check.
These videos never fail to make me laugh. “I’ve mcfallen” Thanks Buns.
Huh. You didn't point out how aigis should've been a gunner costume. It should've.
@EnverDj96 shouldn't it be Koromaru?
I FINALLY GOT ALL MOVESET REFERENCES
Jeez Bun. You sure that your a stick of butter and not a loaf of bread?
Cause the disrespect on the P2 skin was...TOASTY! XD
Glad to see you back. I just pray, for your own sake that sekiro isn't next
"Which I officially certify as a fucking bop" is my new favorite way to say a song is good
9:03 this aged like a fine wine, I love it (soo... Do we get a Sora in smash for beginners now?)
That intro is TRUE meaning of" never seen it coming" and THE HYPE, lmfao !!!! I cried when I saw the news he was coming to smash, I love it. 😍😍😍😍
5:45 ah yes persona is a character
Highlights from this vid: ALL OF IT. I particularly LOVED the FFX Shiva joke. Nostalgic and Hilarious.
0:20
I have never related harder in my entire lifetime.
The way you said “...and that’s it!” literally made me laugh so hard I cried
1:20 c'mon Atlus. Admit it. Ren IS Joker's real name
Ultimate Bowser Akira Kurusu
ツFlippz the manga is not canon
@@michaelwright1603 isn't he called Ren in the dancing games? I know the probably aren't canon either, but Atlus did make them, so I'm calling that evidence
@@blademaster5074 Sadly, although people got used to it, Atlus allegedly uses Anime/Movie/Dancing/Arena games hero's names to be canon. Minato is the giant elephant because we got the name very late (several years after P3FES, a four-part movie released revealing Makoto Yuki as the canon and then P3D and P5D also used the name. He went as ??? in P4A), With Yu, Souji Seta didn't grew attached and time later came P4 Arena and the anime. With Ren was even sooner and people were thirsty for a name and just grabbed the most edgelord name to be ever created ("A Killer Curse" does NOT portray the essence of the hero, in my opinion) that appeared in the manga, a piece of media that isn't recognized as canonically appropriate by Atlus, but the anime gave us Ren Amamiya and is used in P3D and P5D too.
@@Rivarham ok, that makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up