I have been a member of Gateway Church for many years and I plan on doing exactly what you suggest. My wife and I will be looking for a new smaller church.
@@jerryjohnson9531 Praise God. I believe as the Lord wills more these things to come to light, His flock will seek congregational leadership that possesses a true calling over fleshly competency (having an anointing [just being good at public speaking] as the charismatics call it).
@elmyra.jackson "These churches need a stiff reminder that they are ministries NOT corporations and should be governed by the Bible! " This particular "church" has NEVER been governed by the Bible.
Amen. Unfortunately I notice a whole lot of American patterned churches are corporations. More like an ORGantization family with rules from the top, rather than being a church family of God.
I am so so sorry about Pastor Robert, I watch him every Sunday night at 7:30. I have learned so much from the Bible through his teaching. I loved and look forward listening to him on Sunday night. I am going to miss him. I would have never believed this of him, but we all sin one way or the other, but that is an awful sin and he was young and foolish. I am sure he is so sorry. I will miss him and I wish him and his family comfort😢
@mickjones2871 I believe there are others based on his own sermons. I also think that if they contact her legal representation they won't immediately disclose that to the public. Much can be happening behind the scenes, and forewarned is forearmed. (meaning they wouldn't alert RM's lawyers to soon)
And that includes his son James, his son Josh and his daughter Elaine and husband Otherwise, Morris will control everything behind the scenes. We ll see if the Elders grow a backbone.
Man So many pharisees here. Your stones are hitting Gods pl who have been forgiven 40 years ago, & turned his life around surrendered to His Father God. Theres more security at this church than the Whitehouse
Why the church? This happened before the church was ever established in existence. He lied to the elders and said he had an inappropriate relationship. How are they to blame for that?
He should never have been a pastor in the FIRST place - he was a false teacher. He actually said DON'T come to church if you aren't going to pay tithes. 😯 That statement ALONE proves he cares more about money than souls. I am glad he will never be a pastor again.- Robert morris loves money.
He definitely should’ve been in jail the moment it came to like what was going on back in the 80s. This hits kinda close as my boyfriend and his family go to one of the gateway locations
My question as well! They may have been forced to sign a NDA! There is rarely one victim. He admitted he looked for "girls" who didn't have good Father relationships!
@@johnmckenna1776 I think the NDA would be rendered null and void under those circumstances. But any other victims might not have the courage to speak out. They might not want to go public and have their names and identities splashed all over social media and the news. I can't say I blame them. The only benefit that would come of it would be if the offence against them occurred within the statute of limitations, which could lead to RM being prosecuted.
Ccommunty should be devastated. I am 83 years ol and a christian all my life and my dad was a pastor in the 40's and 50's. The problem with these big multi million dollar corporations is that there is no oversight. All of these elders and pastors are his friends. Of course they don't know because they should be held accountable also..
It becomes a business. Morris is Top Dog, those under him are yes men. It's a pastor led church, not an Elder led Church. He had all the power. Dangerous.
If it's501C3, it's just a business and they are banned from teaching Revelation ...book of. Your tithe can't "go to God " so it goes to pay employees, the "church" and Debbies dresses. The employees probably didn't know the crime was on a preteen child that he preyed on. Sting operations under DJT, known as the Q Plan, has been finding pedos and traitors worldwide since 2017. Read Real Raw News...truth not satire. Wake the H up, people!
Just to keep things in perspective. This actually happened prior to Gateway being founded and he was not a pastor. Not excusing the atrocity in the least. Wanting to jump on the no accountability bandwagon won't help anyone. Pointing fingers because it's a big church.
@@aurorabradford3697 Here are some reasons. Paige Patterson, Frank Page, Paul Pressler, Harvest Bible Chapel, James MacDonald, Andy Savage, High Point Church in Tennessee, Hillsong, Brian Houston, Carl Lentz, Ravi Zacharias, and John MacArthur. If you google any and all of them the pattern becomes clear. Also check out the Wartburg Watch and Bruce Gerencser's blog posts called 'Black Collar Crime' in "The Life and Times of Bruce Gerencser".
Are there statute of limitations on obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting, covering criminal activity, hiding a fugitive, etc.? All of the elders from Gateway and Shady Grove along with James Robison should be brought in for questioning.
The victim's Parents should be held accountable. They did not report the heinous crimes against their daughter to the Police (they were too embarrassed to admit their fault in the crime.) They dismissed their daughters well-being. They prevented justice from being served. They directly put other children at risk of being molested. By saying nothing, they gave their tacit approval of their daughter's molester. Morris never lost one nights sleep over the matter. Whereas, the victim(s), probably has never had a peaceful nights rest.
You were not there and you do not know these people!!!!! We are not to judge. God is perfectly capable of handling this matter. He does know these people and He also knows the true story. How dare you judge this girls parents and all involved. We are to pray for one another and forgive one another as God in Jesus Christ forgave us. Shame on you!!!!!!
My question is why didn’t her parents just go to the authorities when they found out what was going on I get they were probably afraid of stepping on toes and all of that but you best believe my child comes to me saying somebody’s inappropriately touching them. I’m gonna do what needs to be done even if it’s a trusted pastor or a family member.
@@mesquitegirl2013that is or was the church system back then. Taking things into their own hands and restoring “the biblical” way. It was all about if you forgive the offender that makes everything ok. And that is warped.
He confessed of inappropriate 10 years ago, he should have stepped down 10 years ago. Psalms 118:8 “It is better to trust in the LORD Than to put confidence in man.”
The congregation looked moved during the praise service. It moved me. Men can be replaced, the teaching moves forward! Rock on Gateway! Super blessed with a new vision coming!
Amen! Gateway will be there for each other and move forward and not give up because Robert Morris did wrong and he will have to deal with that. Meanwhile theres alot of people out there that dont know Jesus and we will continue to spread the word of God and help anyone.
She asked for the board to cover her therapy sessions expenses, about 55k and they flat out refused. They will pay way more now. They are equally culpable.
Reportedly Olen Griffing was one of the Shady Grove Elders who met with Cindy’s family when Robert Morris was found out. This report comes from Steve LeBlanc when he was being interviewed by Justin Peters.
The bigger the church the more people get lost in it. There is no one who sees the small unnamed people of a church this size. They begin to lose their way because money becomes the focus. Anyone who attends these mega churches do so for recognition and nothing more. It is sad how lost these people are because their Shepard are lost themselves. No thanks!
Ive been to big churches and Ive been to small churches. I never lost my way at Gateway nor did I let money become the focus. Speak for yourself NOT myself. And I dont attend a mega church for recognition. If that is YOUR experience then so be it but you cant assume that for others. I went looking for a church where I could feel the presence of God, and LEARN how to live for my Holy Father. Size of the church had nothing to do with what I was looking for. Gateway church members made me and MANY others feel welcomed with no judgement and thats how it should be. Robert Morris made a HUGE mistake and should suffer the consequences like anyone else. But Im not there for Robert Morris, Im there because God led me there.
He probably would have but the victims parents didnt report to the police. Am I the only one that finds it odd? If they would have reported he would not have made it as far as he did. I understand wanting to hold others accountable but wouldnt that include her parents for knowing and not reporting to the authorities?
What?? The church elders are being SUED?? What do they have to do with a 30 year old sin of someone else? It's time to remember we live in the dispensation of GRACE! Robert Morris WAS ABUSED AS A CHILD. Don't you know we are all BORN INTO THIS CESSPOOL OF SIN? Get a grip on yourselves and let's FORGIVE. If Cindy's parents didn't care - why should you? I think SHE should sue THEM! They ALLOWED it to HAPPEN IN THEIR HOME!!!
Yes, but this is about a little girl called Cindy who was violated, used and abused then discarded, this little girl is now a women, but the little girl is still broken and her life destroyed. Let us ask Cindy what she needs to help her heal and have her life restored. Cindy has asked Robert Morris for the help she needs from him and he has denied her. So Robert Morris has denied Cindy but JESUS will not be denied, our LORD loves His children and Cindy in her suffering will be helped by her Heavenly Father, she will not be denied. That is His promise, He will restore the years the locusts have eaten. Let us pray that Cindy will be healed and for her peace to be restored in full. Amen.
In the parrable of the unmercifull servant the servant demanded that he be paid the debt that was owed to him even though his debt was forgiven. He was referered to as a wicked servant. We are all sinned against in some way or another...some of us were even younger than and the sins committed against us even greater. God expects us to forgive in order for Him to forgive and we can do that when we compare the debts...that debt that we owed God is much greater but still has been cancelled by God...should we not then cancell others debts against us? I think she was counceled incorrectly...as the only thing that will bring healing to her heart is complete forgiveness....but somehow there is still an attiute of Pay what you owe me...the same attitude the wicket unmercifull servant had!
I am still going to attend Gateway. Whats so shocking? the church people had nothing to do with his actions? If there are staff or leaders that knew it will come out through this investigation but the PEOPLE OF THE CHURCH need to come together and be there for each other during this devistating time.
This is about a little girl called Cindy who was violated, used and abused then discarded, this little girl is now a women, but the little girl is still broken and her life destroyed. Let us ask Cindy what she needs to help her heal and have her life restored. Cindy has asked Robert Morris for the help she needs from him and he has denied her. So Robert Morris has denied Cindy but JESUS will not be denied, our LORD loves His children and Cindy in her suffering will be helped by her Heavenly Father, she will not be denied. That is His promise, He will restore the years the locusts have eaten. Let us pray for Cindy’s healing and for her peace to be restored in full. Amen.
What about the people who covered up for Paul Pressler since 1978? Like Paige Patterson that decided it would be a better idea to supply him with young male “assistants”? Ted Cruz still has Paul’s endorsement video up. I guess he isn’t ashamed. Funny that these people are the people who want to cram their way of life down our throats. I guess that’s not the only thing…
I walked into Gateway and its the only church I walked out of during the announcements. The ‘Young Professionals’ Bible study group was announcing an event. I promise… ‘The Young Professionals’ Disgusting So tell me Gateway… one need be both young and professional to join this esteemed arrogant club? I got up. I shook the w off my shoes and never looked back. What a posh group of people
It is sad that it always has to take something big to wake people up and cause changes. But I’m glad we have a God who is true to His Word, He is close to the broken heartened, He comforts and He reveals truth and sin. It takes long sometimes but He does do it🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 Prayers for Cindy and all who have been affected.
There are monitoring spirits everywhere whose job it is to keep track of you and everything you do throughout your life. The enemy knows when to attack you to inflict the most damage. This scandal could have come out at any time these past 4 decades. Why now? I pray that the sins of these pastors don't deflect people's personal walk with Jesus. It's so easy to get discouraged by this type of news because it brings no glory to God. Lord, heal everyone affected by this and turn our hearts toward you now more than ever.
@@cyndiw767 I'm not sure if that is word for word but she carried on with him for 4 1/2 years and going to police would put her in a unfavorable light regardless of her contribution to FOUR AND ONE HALF YEARS of meeting up and being alone with Morris.
God uses Moses after he killed a man. God used David after he committed adultery and killed a man. I don't take the wisdom Robert Morris shared from God, away from him, after God used him for decades after he committed sin. What happened does not change the wisdom that God shared through him. I hope someday I'll be able to receive more of God's wisdom from him. If God didn't use severe sinners, there would only be Jesus. I know at the end, Robert Morris will be in Heaven, and to me the only thing that matters is Heaven. So I choose not to judge him because God already knew what had happened and he used Robert to reach other people, so God's judgement is enough for me. I'll leave it to Him because only He knows how his judgement will be delivered, and it's not for my concern or understanding.
This is so very sad for the body of Christ. I grieve for all involved and pray that the Lord comforts every brokenness and thank him for His grace and mercy which will sustain through every trial and challenge. Look to Jesus the author and finisher of your faith. He is well able to overcome.
Where is Robert Morris? He should be addressing this. Ministry is not an inheritance, it's a calling. His son should not be taking leadership, but some one qualified as written in 1 Timothy 3.
Mega churches , or micro churches ? Believers should stick to sound scriptural teaching not revelations of someone in a leadership position .Question everything.
That's not what the Word says to do. Consult the Scriptures. Well, look at it this way, he/wife have millions to live on. And, Judgment Day is coming soon, and very soon. Like, maybe, the Feast of the New Wine, as early as August. Whoopee dee. Look up... BEC
Because these people are family. Many of them have probably been friends for years. They weren’t just going to hear some guy preach. You go to church to be with the body. They should just all scatter the first Sunday after hearing this? Many of them are there comforting one another
@@elitestructures7349 "They should just all scatter the first Sunday after hearing this? " They should have scattered a long time ago due to the blasphemous false teaching.
@@elitestructures7349 its the psychological manipulative trick of cults to use words like "home" and "family" when it's been such a poor example of all that. Consult YOUR Lord (if you do know who that is hopefully) and Feel free to leave! AND fix your beliefs more importantly Back to the Basics at the foot of the cross and stop making up junk teaching in the precious Name above all name (Jesus). Then join a real church or set up another
They should reboot the church by downsizing to just 1 location and taking Gateway Worship off Spotify and making their music NFTs and people can only listen to the music by paying with Bitcoin
Megachurches. Yikes. Money, power, and influence trump the welfare of the flock. Small churches planting new small churches planting new small churches in loose knit fellowships where accountability stays local and tranpatency is the norm and wise elders lead -- that's biblical.
No, people forget Gateway Church wasn't formed until the year 2000. The crimes were committed at a different church, Shady Grove in the 80s. Many of the leaders were still in school when Gateway was formed.
Well one is an apostle on the board. Olaf Griffing who was the pastor at shady Grove spearheaded and “ handled” the atrocity and restored Robert to being an elder at shady grove.
Not a lawyer here. Genuine question if such crimes like past murders/rapes just found out or new evidence collected etc.. why cant it be taken to the Criminal courts? It's not always just a political point scoring show for shock entertainment value in civil lawsuits Sounds silly
Hurt people hurt people he said himself years ago that he was physically emotionally sexually abused as a child. This not an excuse for anything but just a reminder to pray 🙏
Robert should have disqualified himself, knowing what he did to a child. And his mentor, James Robison, who put him right back in ministry should have disqualified Robert. Now James Robison has disqualified himself also.
What happened to Christians praying for Christians? What happened to forgiveness? What happened to keep no Record of wrong and allowing God to be Judge? My heart goes out to this woman who was molested as a child. I have no doubts that she did suffer. I too and my sister were both molested as a child up into our teenage years from a very young age. I do not condone such behavior regardless of how a person is raised. But… we did forgive and gave it to God. We are living happy lives and owe it all to our savior. Jesus died on the cross not for one man’s sin, He payed the price for “ All Man”! My heart goes out to all who are hurting. I believe that if pastor Robert’s covered up his sinful nature then this is the reason for the shock. If he got help, council for what he did then why all the publicity and punishment this many years later? Don’t forget that Jesus died for your sins too. There isn’t one sin in this world that will go unnoticed , and if it does… remember we all die and face the real Judgement. ❤
I notice that you select scriptures like items at a buffet, choosing some that you like and disregarding others that advise on handling sin in leadership. lol
God gave dominion to Adam who disobeyed God and lost it to satan, who is the god of this world. God allows what we allow as believers who have been given authority through Jesus Christ. However, many do not know this and do not use that authority over satan.
dude was just gonna be okay to never own up and be confronted with that by the Almighty. lawyers and money and politics wont help you. rest of these staff are same cringe
The greatest preacher since Jesus Himself, was Apostle Paul. He worked as a tentmaker and was dependent on the hospitality of others during his mission trips. No Mega Churches with Mega support Staffs.
Maybe put your faith in Jesus, not professional Christians.
“Professional Christians”, lol, sheesh, I hadn’t heard that one before, but, very true.
This is Texas' brand of Christianity.
Right ✅️
There’s no such thing as a professional Christian.
@@ALTheFreeMannot possible to be a professional Christian. We’re human. Only Jesus is free of sin.
It’s time to get out of these mega churches and get back to the smaller Bible based community churches. Enough of these celebrity pastors.
I have been saying this for years...
1 million Amens!
So you saying small church pastors have not molested kid also.
I have been a member of Gateway Church for many years and I plan on doing exactly what you suggest. My wife and I will be looking for a new smaller church.
@@jerryjohnson9531 Praise God. I believe as the Lord wills more these things to come to light, His flock will seek congregational leadership that possesses a true calling over fleshly competency (having an anointing [just being good at public speaking] as the charismatics call it).
These churches need a stiff reminder that they are ministries NOT corporations and should be governed by the Bible!
@elmyra.jackson "These churches need a stiff reminder that they are ministries NOT corporations and should be governed by the Bible! "
This particular "church" has NEVER been governed by the Bible.
@@Packhorse-bh8qn So true!
if they knew the Bible...they will never put a pdf file in a position of authority in the church.
@@georgenatividad675 You are so right!
Amen. Unfortunately I notice a whole lot of American patterned churches are corporations. More like an ORGantization family with rules from the top, rather than being a church family of God.
It makes you wonder how much has not been exposed through the years. Seems a lot of dirt is coming to light in religion and politics.
and Entertainment.
You got that right. Jesus is coming to aright the ship. Look up, for your redemption draweth nigh! BEC
@@mikecain7823people have been saying that forever. It’s getting old. If he was going to right the ship, he would’ve done it by now.
The problem is people don't read a real BIBLE anymore they just fallow a blind leader. 😅
AMEN!!!!
No.. the problem is we are all sinners. Reading the Bible can only help you if you believe and receive the grace of God. Romans 5
@@user-ri5gy3yv8p"The washing of the water of the Word cleanses us and prepares us for Jesus" Ephesians 5:25-27
The word is spelled “follow” not “fallow”
Americans' literacy rate is ridiculously low; most cannot read anything. US education under the GOP had failed miserably.
I am so so sorry about Pastor Robert, I watch him every Sunday night at 7:30. I have learned so much from the Bible through his teaching. I loved and look forward listening to him on Sunday night. I am going to miss him. I would have never believed this of him, but we all sin one way or the other, but that is an awful sin and he was young and foolish. I am sure he is so sorry. I will miss him and I wish him and his family comfort😢
You are a fool!
Agree with John Hoffman & Republican State Representative, Steve.
Prosecute! Extend the Statue of Limitations!
Agreed with Roman's 5
There usually are more victims in these situations.
Yes usually. But in this case only one person will come foward because there's no one else
@@CC-2020 I hope so
YEPPERS. BEC
@mickjones2871 I believe there are others based on his own sermons. I also think that if they contact her legal representation they won't immediately disclose that to the public. Much can be happening behind the scenes, and forewarned is forearmed. (meaning they wouldn't alert RM's lawyers to soon)
More will come out I bet,
They need to clean house, all of the leaders need to be removed.
And that includes his son James, his son Josh and his daughter Elaine and husband
Otherwise, Morris will control everything behind the scenes. We ll see if the Elders grow a backbone.
@@tamimoncrief2264. You took the words right out of my mouth. We are to flee even the appearance of evil.
Man So many pharisees here. Your stones are hitting Gods pl who have been forgiven 40 years ago, & turned his life around surrendered to His Father God. Theres more security at this church than the Whitehouse
@@tamimoncrief2264Yes, the entire Morris family should be stepping down. Start fresh.
He should be in jail and his family should not be in leadership positions Church is not a family business
I sure wouldn't trust a leader whose own family doesn't follow him. They know him better than anyone.
He should be sued as should the church. More victims may also be out there that he harmed
Why the church?
This happened before the church was ever established in existence.
He lied to the elders and said he had an inappropriate relationship.
How are they to blame for that?
@@EMWoodworking they didn’t even try to find the truth to begin with. Pathetic
He should never have been a pastor in the FIRST place - he was a false teacher. He actually said DON'T come to church if you aren't going to pay tithes. 😯 That statement ALONE proves he cares more about money than souls. I am glad he will never be a pastor again.- Robert morris loves money.
I agree I can't stand him. My church in ohio endorses him and was turned off by his preaching on tithing
When did he say that?
He definitely should’ve been in jail the moment it came to like what was going on back in the 80s. This hits kinda close as my boyfriend and his family go to one of the gateway locations
When and where did he say that? Could you please give me the link. I have never heard that from him
And now he’s worth 100 million dollars she should sue him into oblivion
One question, are there any other victims of this so-called pastor Robert Morris??
My question as well! They may have been forced to sign a NDA! There is rarely one victim. He admitted he looked for "girls" who didn't have good Father relationships!
@@elmyra.jackson exactly
@@elmyra.jackson Even if someone signs an NDA, I don't think and NDA can be used to cover up a crime.
@@johnmckenna1776 I think the NDA would be rendered null and void under those circumstances. But any other victims might not have the courage to speak out. They might not want to go public and have their names and identities splashed all over social media and the news. I can't say I blame them. The only benefit that would come of it would be if the offence against them occurred within the statute of limitations, which could lead to RM being prosecuted.
Romans 5
Inappropriate behaviour is like leaving your laundry 🧺 and wet towels on the bathroom floor, not molesting a 12 year old girl 😮
yes, lots of creative language used these days - error in judgement, indiscretion, youthful misdirection, etc.....call it anything but sin.
Touché!!
Ccommunty should be devastated. I am 83 years ol and a christian all my life and my dad was a pastor in the 40's and 50's. The problem with these big multi million dollar corporations is that there is no oversight. All of these elders and pastors are his friends. Of course they don't know because they should be held accountable also..
Well said 👏👏👏
yep, no oversight.
It becomes a business. Morris is Top Dog, those under him are yes men. It's a pastor led church, not an Elder led Church.
He had all the power. Dangerous.
If it's501C3, it's just a business and they are banned from teaching Revelation ...book of.
Your tithe can't "go to God " so it goes to pay employees, the "church" and Debbies dresses.
The employees probably didn't know the crime was on a preteen child that he preyed on.
Sting operations under DJT, known as the Q Plan, has been finding pedos and traitors worldwide since 2017.
Read Real Raw News...truth not satire.
Wake the H up, people!
Just to keep things in perspective. This actually happened prior to Gateway being founded and he was not a pastor. Not excusing the atrocity in the least. Wanting to jump on the no accountability bandwagon won't help anyone. Pointing fingers because it's a big church.
Folks, please consider not attending ANY mega church whatsoever and particularly those that have “satellite” churches.
💯 I agree!
Why?
@@aurorabradford3697 Here are some reasons. Paige Patterson, Frank Page, Paul Pressler, Harvest Bible Chapel, James MacDonald, Andy Savage, High Point Church in Tennessee, Hillsong, Brian Houston, Carl Lentz, Ravi Zacharias, and John MacArthur. If you google any and all of them the pattern becomes clear. Also check out the Wartburg Watch and Bruce Gerencser's blog posts called 'Black Collar Crime' in "The Life and Times of Bruce Gerencser".
@@aurorabradford3697
That is also my question.
why? what would be the purpose?
Are there statute of limitations on obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting, covering criminal activity, hiding a fugitive, etc.? All of the elders from Gateway and Shady Grove along with James Robison should be brought in for questioning.
Yes! Yes! Yes! Pay day is acomin, when Jesus comes for His bride. BEC
Very good point!
Praying for that whole church family
Why? Were they molested?
Look to JESUS, especially RIGHT NOW!
The victim's Parents should be held accountable. They did not report the heinous crimes against their daughter to the Police (they were too embarrassed to admit their fault in the crime.) They dismissed their daughters well-being. They prevented justice from being served. They directly put other children at risk of being molested. By saying nothing, they gave their tacit approval of their daughter's molester. Morris never lost one nights sleep over the matter. Whereas, the victim(s), probably has never had a peaceful nights rest.
You were not there and you do not know these people!!!!! We are not to judge. God is perfectly capable of handling this matter. He does know these people and He also knows the true story. How dare you judge this girls parents and all involved. We are to pray for one another and forgive one another as God in Jesus Christ forgave us. Shame on you!!!!!!
Unfortunately, as popularity increases, accountability and oversight often decrease.
They are not allegations.
Go after all those that knew about it and chose not to say anything… 😡
My question is why didn’t her parents just go to the authorities when they found out what was going on I get they were probably afraid of stepping on toes and all of that but you best believe my child comes to me saying somebody’s inappropriately touching them. I’m gonna do what needs to be done even if it’s a trusted pastor or a family member.
Investigate James Robisons involvement.
@@mesquitegirl2013the parents didn't want it to be made public at the time, probably to protect their daughter who was 16 or 17 by then.
@@mesquitegirl2013that is or was the church system back then. Taking things into their own hands and restoring “the biblical” way. It was all about if you forgive the offender that makes everything ok. And that is warped.
@@tamimoncrief2264He wasn’t involved. He has already put out a statement saying so and has a letter from HER lawyer backing him up.
He confessed of inappropriate 10 years ago, he should have stepped down 10 years ago.
Psalms 118:8
“It is better to trust in the LORD Than to put confidence in man.”
False teaching leads to things like this
Sin leads to things like this
Their hearts are so broken, they can't even speak from them, only look down and read prepared statements (somebody else wrote) 😆😆😆😆
The congregation looked moved during the praise service. It moved me. Men can be replaced, the teaching moves forward! Rock on Gateway! Super blessed with a new vision coming!
Hope they also move away from their false teaching.
Amen! Gateway will be there for each other and move forward and not give up because Robert Morris did wrong and he will have to deal with that. Meanwhile theres alot of people out there that dont know Jesus and we will continue to spread the word of God and help anyone.
She asked for the board to cover her therapy sessions expenses, about 55k and they flat out refused.
They will pay way more now. They are equally culpable.
He needs to be held accountable but so do all of the politicians that pay to get away with this as well.
“Jesus said follow Him! He did not say follow His followers. Put it behind yall, focus on Jesus and move on!
I don't believe any words that come from any of the staff at Gateway Church.
Yeppers.
Check the Elders of Shady Grove. Olen Griffing, Monty Smith, Gary Benjamin. Did they know?
Shady for sure!😄
Steve leblanc was there at that time too. He covered it up and he knew the details!
Reportedly Olen Griffing was one of the Shady Grove Elders who met with Cindy’s family when Robert Morris was found out. This report comes from Steve LeBlanc when he was being interviewed by Justin Peters.
@@KansasMiss-mf4bj Steve Leblanc has his own issues with scandals at both SGC and Gateway. I don't trust everything he says.
Matthew 5:29 if thy whatever part cause you to sin, remove it.. show your repentance pastor.
They need to fire the elders that new about this. They are complicit
There needs to be an investigation if there's more abused that happened between those years
The bigger the church the more people get lost in it. There is no one who sees the small unnamed people of a church this size. They begin to lose their way because money becomes the focus. Anyone who attends these mega churches do so for recognition and nothing more. It is sad how lost these people are because their Shepard are lost themselves. No thanks!
Ive been to big churches and Ive been to small churches. I never lost my way at Gateway nor did I let money become the focus. Speak for yourself NOT myself. And I dont attend a mega church for recognition. If that is YOUR experience then so be it but you cant assume that for others. I went looking for a church where I could feel the presence of God, and LEARN how to live for my Holy Father. Size of the church had nothing to do with what I was looking for. Gateway church members made me and MANY others feel welcomed with no judgement and thats how it should be. Robert Morris made a HUGE mistake and should suffer the consequences like anyone else. But Im not there for Robert Morris, Im there because God led me there.
@@cyndiw767 Go argue about God with someone who argues about God. What I have said is FACT!
Just think back what you all did 20 30 years ago 40 years ago or 50 years ago.
The devil hasn’t forgotten that .
Maybe you would end up in jail .
Sadly, Robert Morris should have been fired and arrested for child abuse when this was first discovered in the 80's.
He probably would have but the victims parents didnt report to the police. Am I the only one that finds it odd? If they would have reported he would not have made it as far as he did. I understand wanting to hold others accountable but wouldnt that include her parents for knowing and not reporting to the authorities?
What?? The church elders are being SUED?? What do they have to do with a 30 year old sin of someone else? It's time to remember we live in the dispensation of GRACE! Robert Morris WAS ABUSED AS A CHILD. Don't you know we are all BORN INTO THIS CESSPOOL OF SIN? Get a grip on yourselves and let's FORGIVE. If Cindy's parents didn't care - why should you? I think SHE should sue THEM! They ALLOWED it to HAPPEN IN THEIR HOME!!!
Amen to that.
Yes, but this is about a little girl called Cindy who was violated, used and abused then discarded, this little girl is now a women, but the little girl is still broken and her life destroyed.
Let us ask Cindy what she needs to help her heal and have her life restored.
Cindy has asked Robert Morris for the help she needs from him and he has denied her.
So Robert Morris has denied Cindy but JESUS will not be denied, our LORD loves His children and Cindy in her suffering will be helped by her Heavenly Father, she will not be denied.
That is His promise, He will restore the years the locusts have eaten.
Let us pray that Cindy will be healed and for her peace to be restored in full. Amen.
Heavy herarts, because they see their income sliding away…
Heavy hearts because of alot of hurt people from what Robert Morris has done. They are not worried about any money sliding away.
@@cyndiw767 I’m talking of the church officials, yes this devastates the whole Christian community.
This is not a church but a corporation!
In the parrable of the unmercifull servant the servant demanded that he be paid the debt that was owed to him even though his debt was forgiven. He was referered to as a wicked servant. We are all sinned against in some way or another...some of us were even younger than and the sins committed against us even greater. God expects us to forgive in order for Him to forgive and we can do that when we compare the debts...that debt that we owed God is much greater but still has been cancelled by God...should we not then cancell others debts against us? I think she was counceled incorrectly...as the only thing that will bring healing to her heart is complete forgiveness....but somehow there is still an attiute of Pay what you owe me...the same attitude the wicket unmercifull servant had!
exactly, vengeful and vindictive.
your hit the nail on the head. with that comment
How all those people can be in that church now is shocking.
You think the church is centered around one man and not God? Where would they go? I don't see any sinless, perfect preachers or people.
The church had nothing to do with it.
I am still going to attend Gateway. Whats so shocking? the church people had nothing to do with his actions? If there are staff or leaders that knew it will come out through this investigation but the PEOPLE OF THE CHURCH need to come together and be there for each other during this devistating time.
@@cyndiw767 right. You're there for God, not a person..
I wonder how the congregation is dwindling.
This is about a little girl called Cindy who was violated, used and abused then discarded, this little girl is now a women, but the little girl is still broken and her life destroyed.
Let us ask Cindy what she needs to help her heal and have her life restored.
Cindy has asked Robert Morris for the help she needs from him and he has denied her.
So Robert Morris has denied Cindy but JESUS will not be denied, our LORD loves His children and Cindy in her suffering will be helped by her Heavenly Father, she will not be denied.
That is His promise, He will restore the years the locusts have eaten.
Let us pray for Cindy’s healing and for her peace to be restored in full. Amen.
What about the people who covered up for Paul Pressler since 1978? Like Paige Patterson that decided it would be a better idea to supply him with young male “assistants”? Ted Cruz still has Paul’s endorsement video up. I guess he isn’t ashamed. Funny that these people are the people who want to cram their way of life down our throats. I guess that’s not the only thing…
I doubt the limitation can be extended for past crimes but probably moving forward it can be for recent crimes
Name it the Robert Morris Protection Act. Next best thing.
Nobody knows anything or saw anything. The Sgt. Schultz defense.
I walked into Gateway and its the only church I walked out of during the announcements.
The ‘Young Professionals’ Bible study group was announcing an event.
I promise… ‘The Young Professionals’
Disgusting
So tell me Gateway… one need be both young and professional to join this esteemed arrogant club?
I got up. I shook the w off my shoes and never looked back.
What a posh group of people
It is sad that it always has to take something big to wake people up and cause changes. But I’m glad we have a God who is true to His Word, He is close to the broken heartened, He comforts and He reveals truth and sin. It takes long sometimes but He does do it🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 Prayers for Cindy and all who have been affected.
There are monitoring spirits everywhere whose job it is to keep track of you and everything you do throughout your life. The enemy knows when to attack you to inflict the most damage. This scandal could have come out at any time these past 4 decades. Why now? I pray that the sins of these pastors don't deflect people's personal walk with Jesus. It's so easy to get discouraged by this type of news because it brings no glory to God. Lord, heal everyone affected by this and turn our hearts toward you now more than ever.
This is so fearful...scary.
Whats really bothering me is why didn't the parents report this to police when it initially happened? I don't understand that at all
because her father knew she was complicit so it was kept quiet to not tarnish her reputation.
Maybe they got a kick back!!! BEC
They should have discerned something from over 30 years ago?Something past & forgiven, even as horrible as it was, wasn't something to blame them for.
@@jenniewebb374 not to tarnish her reputation? Is that what her parents said as to why they didn't report to the police?
@@cyndiw767 I'm not sure if that is word for word but she carried on with him for 4 1/2 years and going to police would put her in a unfavorable light regardless of her contribution to FOUR AND ONE HALF YEARS of meeting up and being alone with Morris.
I pray for the church body of Gateway Church.
Commentators leave out the fact that it was 42 years ago. They present it as if it was last week.
This is so tragic that the accuser seeks to glory in judging people
amen
In order for Satan might not outwit us. For we are not unware of his schemes. Satan masquerades himself as an angel of light. 😊
for 2 long pastors have been unaccountable
God uses Moses after he killed a man. God used David after he committed adultery and killed a man. I don't take the wisdom Robert Morris shared from God, away from him, after God used him for decades after he committed sin. What happened does not change the wisdom that God shared through him. I hope someday I'll be able to receive more of God's wisdom from him. If God didn't use severe sinners, there would only be Jesus. I know at the end, Robert Morris will be in Heaven, and to me the only thing that matters is Heaven. So I choose not to judge him because God already knew what had happened and he used Robert to reach other people, so God's judgement is enough for me. I'll leave it to Him because only He knows how his judgement will be delivered, and it's not for my concern or understanding.
Amen!!
Well said
Yes!
Too much attention on the pastor not the victim.
This is so very sad for the body of Christ. I grieve for all involved and pray that the Lord comforts every brokenness and thank him for His grace and mercy which will sustain through every trial and challenge. Look to Jesus the author and finisher of your faith. He is well able to overcome.
Where is Robert Morris? He should be addressing this. Ministry is not an inheritance, it's a calling. His son should not be taking leadership, but some one qualified as written in 1 Timothy 3.
I cannot believe people are there. RUN!
Mega churches , or micro churches ? Believers should stick to sound scriptural teaching not revelations of someone in a leadership position .Question everything.
He deceived the people
And deceived with false preaching.
Just now read this. Very sad. Good news- we all have Grace.
This is tragic
They're hiring a lawyer...they're gonna need one.
Hiring a lawyer with what money? Their own? Or church money? Hmm
What a wonderful way to spend peoples tithes
That's not what the Word says to do. Consult the Scriptures. Well, look at it this way, he/wife have millions to live on. And, Judgment Day is coming soon, and very soon. Like, maybe, the Feast of the New Wine, as early as August. Whoopee dee. Look up... BEC
Start a home church!
Yes the church board should be sued!
Gateway membership should be at zero. Why are there still members there?
Bingo.
Because these people are family. Many of them have probably been friends for years. They weren’t just going to hear some guy preach. You go to church to be with the body. They should just all scatter the first Sunday after hearing this? Many of them are there comforting one another
@@elitestructures7349 "They should just all scatter the first Sunday after hearing this? "
They should have scattered a long time ago due to the blasphemous false teaching.
@@elitestructures7349 disban the brand. It's "theirs" foundationally. Hillsong should have done that too. My strong feeling.
@@elitestructures7349 its the psychological manipulative trick of cults to use words like "home" and "family" when it's been such a poor example of all that. Consult YOUR Lord (if you do know who that is hopefully) and Feel free to leave!
AND fix your beliefs more importantly Back to the Basics at the foot of the cross and stop making up junk teaching in the precious Name above all name (Jesus).
Then join a real church or set up another
They should reboot the church by downsizing to just 1 location and taking Gateway Worship off Spotify and making their music NFTs and people can only listen to the music by paying with Bitcoin
Mega churches are very vulnerable.
People let the story come out. Anybody can just,
James 2:13
because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
Give her the million and she will go away She should be punished for blackmail
How on earth can a preacher continue to preach after he has abused a 12 year old!!!!. He should have been out of the pulpit years ago.
Megachurches. Yikes. Money, power, and influence trump the welfare of the flock. Small churches planting new small churches planting new small churches in loose knit fellowships where accountability stays local and tranpatency is the norm and wise elders lead -- that's biblical.
Wow. I used to watch him on TBN.
So do they have the same elders now that they did back in the 80s?
No, people forget Gateway Church wasn't formed until the year 2000. The crimes were committed at a different church, Shady Grove in the 80s. Many of the leaders were still in school when Gateway was formed.
Well one is an apostle on the board. Olaf Griffing who was the pastor at shady Grove spearheaded and “ handled” the atrocity and restored Robert to being an elder at shady grove.
That’s what I was thinking!
No statute of limitations!
Not a lawyer here. Genuine question if such crimes like past murders/rapes just found out or new evidence collected etc.. why cant it be taken to the Criminal courts?
It's not always just a political point scoring show for shock entertainment value in civil lawsuits
Sounds silly
Im just wondering how Bill Cosby goes to jail and this dude cant.
@@capetowntheboerboel4201Bill Cosby drugged and r@ped people.
Pass the plate brothers and sisters and support the ministry of the devil.
Nothing new to hear in this video.
i wonder the amount of abused in the room there and the numbers of abusers? it would be higher than we think.
Hurt people hurt people he said himself years ago that he was physically emotionally sexually abused as a child. This not an excuse for anything but just a reminder to pray 🙏
Robert should have disqualified himself, knowing what he did to a child. And his mentor, James Robison, who put him right back in ministry should have disqualified Robert. Now James Robison has disqualified himself also.
All pediphiles were abused as children as well as victims who don’t act out. Victims don’t go out and abuse other victims.
Saint Thomas More was highly esteemed for his unfailing moral integrity
I wonder if their lawyers will read the 10 Commandments.
Judgement begins at the house of the Lord!
Front pew sitters are the worst
What happened to Christians praying for Christians? What happened to forgiveness? What happened to keep no Record of wrong and allowing God to be Judge? My heart goes out to this woman who was molested as a child. I have no doubts that she did suffer. I too and my sister were both molested as a child up into our teenage years from a very young age. I do not condone such behavior regardless of how a person is raised. But… we did forgive and gave it to God. We are living happy lives and owe it all to our savior. Jesus died on the cross not for one man’s sin, He payed the price for “ All Man”!
My heart goes out to all who are hurting.
I believe that if pastor Robert’s covered up his sinful nature then this is the reason for the shock. If he got help, council for what he did then why all the publicity and punishment this many years later? Don’t forget that Jesus died for your sins too. There isn’t one sin in this world that will go unnoticed , and if it does… remember we all die and face the real Judgement. ❤
I notice that you select scriptures like items at a buffet, choosing some that you like and disregarding others that advise on handling sin in leadership. lol
Ananias and Sapphira didn't even get a chance to repent.
Why would a god allow this to happen? Blind faith can be a dangerous thing. Gateway Church is a good example. There are more.
GOD gave us a free will.
God gave dominion to Adam who disobeyed God and lost it to satan, who is the god of this world. God allows what we allow as believers who have been given authority through Jesus Christ. However, many do not know this and do not use that authority over satan.
NEVER trust ANYONE....nor put people on a pedestal! They will let you down every single time
They are just worried about losing money
Whats the new fall out? Same stuff been on the news for a week.
That’s what I didn’t see. Nothing new.
Yes, time to close shop. This is just smearing the true Church, and the name of Jesus Christ. BEC
Luke 6:37
" Don't judge, and you won't be judged. Don't condemn, and you won't be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
dude was just gonna be okay to never own up and be confronted with that by the Almighty. lawyers and money and politics wont help you. rest of these staff are same cringe
I never cared for him…had an odd vibe I couldn’t shake. I never could make it through a whole sermon. Now I know why😢
Lead by Example, Actions are the real Deal. But why didn't her parents do something when she told at them 17 yrs old. That's the first Question.
The greatest preacher since Jesus Himself, was Apostle Paul. He worked as a tentmaker and was dependent on the hospitality of others during his mission trips. No Mega Churches with Mega support Staffs.