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Ayaan Hirsi Ali, author of Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now, argues that Mohammed was a great innovator who, upon his death, froze innovation in Islam forever.
Within relatively short order during his lifetime, Mohammed went from obscurity to leading a new, united Arab nation. In the process, says Ali, he underwent a transformation from seeker to autocrat. As a result, she claims, Islam has resisted social and ideological progress since his death.
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AYAAN HIRSI ALI:
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Dutch-American feminist filmmaker and political writer. She is author of several books, the latest of which is Heretic: Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now. She is also founder of the AHA Foundation, a former fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, and a former member of the Dutch parliament.
Ali is a vocal critic of Islam whose writings often focus on the religion's subjugation of women. Her work is controversial and has resulted in numerous death threats. In 2004 Ayaan gained international attention following the murder of Theo van Gogh. Van Gogh had directed her short film Submission, a film about the oppression of women under Islam. The assassin left a death threat for her pinned to Van Gogh's chest. This tragic event, and Ayaan’s life leading up to it, are all chronicled in her best-selling book, Infidel.
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TRANSCRIPT:
Ayaan Hirsi Ali: Early on, it seemed as if Mohammed's ambition was simply to go from door to door from person to person and say, "Leave alone what you believe in. Believe in the one God, the one who spoke to me through the angel Gabriel." That's how you say it in Arabic and Gabriel in English, and then exhort people to do certain things that in the 21st century we understand as religion: prayer, fasting, congregations - that sort of thing. In the first 10 years in Mecca, I would say largely harmless. There's that Mohammed. And in a very modern way, I don't know if you know Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, but you can understand him as a Dr. Jekyll. Then he goes to Medina and there you have the Mr. Hyde side of Mohammed. Suddenly there's a militia. And now he's a politician. He's not only preaching please come to the one God; he's demanding come to the one God and accept me as the prophet and if not, I declare war. And he declares war. And with a relatively small militia, at least according to the Islamic perception - these are the Muslim documents - with a relatively small militia or small number of men he defeats much larger, a much more well-established army. And that victory leads to another victory and it leads to another victory and it leads to another victory, but it also leads to complexities. Because the more he gains power he has a say over more people and that then leads to the necessity of legislation. In hindsight, if you're in the 21st century, you are a political scientist, a sociologist, a psychologist, a historian, any kind of social scientist. You look back at that time and you read that narrative, you'll be impressed. You'll say goodness this man was great. He defeated large armies; he established an empire; he legislated; he kept them together; and he left a narrative behind that lasted for many centuries, well beyond he was born. Wonderful.
Of course I don't argue with that. But, what he also did was he froze his innovation in place. He was the last prophet. Nobody else could come and innovative on what he said. In fact he declares innovation the biggest sin that a believer can commit, thus the fate of the heretics of Islam. And so if you take Mohammed as the Steve Jobs of the seventh century, I want you to imagine, I want you to think of a Steve Jobs leaving a legacy behind where he says you can never and you may never change, the minute he finds himself on his deathbed, never change the iPhone 4 or the iPad Air; I forget which rendition these things were back then or the Mac, so that Tim Cook could never have. He would only have one thing, which would be to continue it and to say these are timeless. And that's pretty much what Mohammed did. The Koran is a timeless document. His example is rendered timeless. And I think that is a disservice that Mohammed did to his own innovation. His great achievement was the fact that he managed, if that narrative, again that narrative is a contested narrative, but if that narrative is true...
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Isnt it hilarious she was caught lying, and u still have this dumb thing up
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHE SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
@@sherozsheroz INNIT BIG MASSIVE LIAR SHES THE WOMAN DAJJAL
@@sherozsheroz - Please direct me to the lies she has produced?
@@sherozsheroz rlly? Can u tell me what is it?
An educated informed Muslim is an ex-Muslim in the making.
+Omar Dualeh She is actually happy that she escaped the "Somali Muslim community". You are right. She will reap what she sow. She will be remembered as a woman who braved Islam and fought it. And that is something very few Muslim women will do.
+Oz Leighton I certainly agree, but you can say the same thing of any religion.
+Arioch IV Some use their delusion for good, some use it for evil, and I have observed that of all the religions, the one whose adherents consistently use religion for evil rather than for good is Islam.
+Oz Leighton It's because among all believers today, Muslims are the only ones who consider the founder a timeless role model that should be replicated centuries after his death. When human rights/reason and commandments clash in other religions, the former are prioritized. Only in the Muslim world do believers choose to adhere to the sacred commandments, no matter how much they betray human rights and reason and common sense.
+Arioch IV ...No ,You certainly can not say that about any other religion...In what other religion,is the penalty for leaving,death????
Unfortunately, Ayaan points out why her call for reformation can never succeed; Mohammed made Islam reformation-proof by declaring it perfect and himself to be the final prophet.
he was pretty cunning I gotta say
+Tyko Brian
*_he_*_ was pretty cunning I gotta say_
*_He_*_?_ No, the "cunning" was the *FABRICATION* of this "last prophet, mohammed."
Exactly like "jesus christ," "mohammed" *_NEVER EXISTED_* except in name/character ONLY.
Big block of text here, I'm happy to have any respectable discussions. Here is my little rant below.
Firstly why is it hard to understand that you don't just make up your own religion and rules, you don't just fabricate/legislate your own laws to suit you, that's not what religions are. If you don't like the religion, that's fine, you can critique it etc but you can' ask it to change because on 'your opinion' it is flawed.
I'm sure you'd rather not grant permission for people to change something you deemed as perfect, even if their intentions is to innovate (which is a positive word it) people aren't perfect and it only undoubtedly cause changes that would cause dissortion confusion and uncertainty of the original material etc (look at what people are saying about the bible). So Mohammed (pbuh) stating that the Qur'an cannot be changed is not a mistake and its silly that she would think and base and argue of this point when Islam is only able to be preserved to this time is because it has not been 'innovate' - changed.
Yes the teaching of Quran is timeless, and that could simple mean is Qur'an will beat the test of time (partly because it won't be innovated/edited/changed therefore can't be corrupted and also its memorised in original language (of the people at the time)).
It does not mean every thing under the context of the past applies directly today. Its content includes part directed to the people of the past and some part are more open and applicable/suitable for people today.
Well then you can argue that you can just just pick a choose your own interpretation on how you like and whose stopping someone from referring to something that is probably inappropriate (like these terrorists are doing). Well that is not fully true, the Qur'an is for all people and therefore is considerate of all backgrounds and extremities and gives relatable examples and you should refer to the example that is more appropriate to your situation. I will give 2 examples on how its not pick and choose your won intepreation to fit your motive but to apply what is more relative to you.
1) The phrases of war/battles in the Qur'an are within context of war, and not just in war but in the BATTLEFIELD and at the DECSIVE MOMENT of kill or die from the OPPRESSORS. No one right now is at war IN A BATTLEFIELD/DECISIVE MOMENTS to justify killing/martyrdom. Yes there's always conflict in the world, and we are seeing exchanges of gunfire between territories but nothing is actually head-head combat, so all of these islamist extremists (who are the oppressors not being oppressed) are picking and choosing what they want to practice outside of what is taught. As they are not actually in war since we are mostly seeing battles that are clearly one-sided and a war is never started unless you think you can win.)
2) Muhammad (PBUH) has 4 examples of marriage, it does not mean that all examples are suitable for you, you apply the example that is most relatable to you. Cultures already had slavery, multiple marriages prior to Islam and Islam was able to integrate to the society but giving more ethical guidelines. Doesn't mean it encourages getting married 4 times especially if its not the societies norm or allowed moral like today. It does however does not judge you if your get married to an older woman, a widow, (a young woman which was evidently morally acceptable and normal at the time, or more than once under honest, moral/humanitarian reasons not for the pleasure of it) provided the circumstances is most relatable to the examples of Muhammad's (PBUH).
Islam should not be reformed. It should be abandoned.
@Trailblazer So what did you find as wrong in the Quran and the Hadiths ,any falsehood,injustice,hatred to mankind or something else ?
Oh god the Muslims aren't going to like this
ITSbigwillystyle She had to flee the Netherlands and is even now under constant protection.
legionaire Oblivion She is under constant protection since many years, because she received fraights for actions like producing a video with a naked women on whos body Quran verses have been written but there has never been any actual attacks on her. And she did not flee to the US. She simply moved in the same way she moved back a couple years later.
***** I am sorry but when I was young I read the qu'ran, the ones that say they are progressive have to ignore most of the teaching/rules of mohammed .
Whats a holy book if you ignore loads of it at convenience, to please the country where you're at.
rebos911 Thanks for proving him right by demonstrating how perverted and degenerated this society has become.
rebos911 No, I dont support to burn heretics alive - what in fact was what the inquisition did - but please, go ahead and explain to me, how that makes your disgusting behavior less perverted and degenerated.
I'm an ex-Muslim Somali ,ironically my name is Mohamed .Regarding what Ayan said about Mohamed being an Anti-Innovator, while he didn't literally prohibit innovation, he preached that his message was the last and the most complete message God sent and it cannot be changed, and i think that's what she was getting at. Before anybody mentions "The Golden Age Of Islam", a lot of the famous innovators and Scientists of that time are deemed heretics by most prominent Islamic scholars.
Good for you dude. Getting out of religious thinking and joining the real world.
Are you saying all the Islamic scientists and academics were not religious at all?
mjinzarli I'm not saying that at all. What i'm is that the most influential Islamic theologians redeemed many scientist as heretics. For example Al-Ghazali who's considered the most influential Islamic theologian, denounced Avicenna and Al-Farabi for the reason of indulging in philosophy which is considered "Haram" in Islam alongside other fields of science like astrology . Also the Muslim philosopher Averroes is counted among the heretics by many scholars, and there are a lot of other examples.
kingslyer1 astronomy*(not astrology)..
No such thing as an
"ex-Muslim " goodbye and thanks for the memories.
Mohammed being compared to Steve Jobs made me think what is worse, radical Muslims or radical hipsters? I really don't know.
6oodfella It was an appropriate analogy. Steve Jobs is not the king of Hipsters any more than Mohammed is _supposed_ to be the king of Muslims... and yet the hero worship is there. It is a proper demonstration of misattribution of power while also comparing two people who had profound effects on the world - one chose to stagnate and degrade his contribution while the other gave up the reigns to his company and died of pancreatic cancer. It is also properly of its time - Jobs' company is the beacon of a future facing industry while Mohammed's religion is a milestone receding into the past.
6oodfella I think the analogy with Steve Jobs was pretty accurate since both were famous individuals that have a ton of fan boys, but got their fame by plagiarizing from others even though their finished product had innovations.
6oodfella Steve Jobs atleast was a better trader and didn't have to marry a rich widow to get the money.
6oodfella Well they both dressed like shit.
JPM Well put! Ayaan Hirsi Ali is using a well know figure here in the west to try and get the audience to relate. Had she been given a chance to complete her thought, I imagine she would have taken us 1200 years into the future where we'd still be forced to use an iphone 4, to complete her analogy. History has the middle east as a thriving, robust hotbed of ideas and innovations at the time Islam was instituted. That's where they were frozen in time. Nothing has come out of the region since. Not a single Nobel Peace Prize nominee. That would be statistically impossible had the people even been allowed the freedom to THINK!
This woman is such a beautiful human being - she is critical to world peace and understanding
Did you notice how calm she is? That was one of the first things I noticed when I saw her in my country when she was a politician. It's a shame she left Holland beacause of threads and agression towards her. Keep it going Hirshi Ali!
She is ugly - and I never see anyone as physically ugly. But seriously speaking she reminds me of sewage that turns into a pig and wants to gorge on white flesh and become white. She's Michael Jackson but at least he was a simple naive soul.
Fatima Aziz stop being butt hurt. realize that you're what you are entirely because of your religion. think for yourself and question everything! don't accept the quran, hadith and sharia as it is. Please change yourself. Islam is nothing great, Islam is flawed. that is the truth and you know it. Ayaan is a brave honorable educated free thinking woman. leaving islam gave her all this. they're worth more than a bigot's jannah.
+anirudh rajan
She's an african asylum seeker who has no skills, she's fame hungry and makes money from slandering Muhammad.
Are u a female.
I have free will to choose to be muslim, you are an oppressor. You want to oppress me into your way of thinking.
Fatima Aziz I don't think as a muslim you can speak ill of assylum seekers. stop highlighting the fact that she's from Africa. If you're doing it to incite racism in me, won't work. so what if she slanders muhammad? muhammad is not inviolable, he's not a god and muhammad slandered everything and everyone that didn't agree with him, so as a mohammaden yourself you can't really sight slander as a reason for anything. why do you want to know my gender and sex? islam is an oppressor luv, it's a clever , brainwashing oppressor.and you subscribe to it. If you are a follower of unrefined, not modernized islam, you don't really have a say on matters like oppression, freedom and liberty.
The more I have read on Islam, and tried to discuss it with people, the more it ALL seems about interpretation of the Hadith and other passages.
To me at least this means you can take anything in the qu'ran as you choose to interpret it, in any context that fits that.
Would it be more fair to call it a "religion of interpretation" rather that a religion of peace? In this light, those who practice it violently are as valid in this view as those who practice it peacefully, because any and all interpretations are open and valid.
Mulsims who practice Islam have some weight behind their statements sure.
But this woman was just such a person as well. And she like millions of other women have suffered terribly for it.
Shkotay D That is just a cop out. You have to do some heavy editing to take out the violent parts. But the books themselves promote all kinds of violence and are unchanging. ( as far as the actual text )
People who choose not to follow the bad parents are using modern empathy and rationality to arrive at that mentality.
Dennzer1 How is it a cop out? What I am saying is that those who claim Islam is just a religion of peace are lying. It is a religion of whatever the hell you want it to be. In the sense of the heavy editing you are somewhat right there however (I will explain shortly), the peaceful ones have to their own interpreting. The violent ones are merely likely being more literal.
If people want to claim they practice in peace, all the power to them. But the ones who practice Islam in violence are in the view of that book, JUST as legitimate. It is wrong to claim Islam as a religion of peace.
Talk to Muslims who are fluent in arabic sometime. They will tell you how wildly loose the boundaries are in terms of what you can choose to get out of it. Apparently the language of the text allows for all kinds of claims. We arent used to that latitude in other languages. ISIL in the opinion of many are just following the letter of the law there.
Shkotay D We are mostly saying the same thing in different ways.
I pretty much agree with you, but I would also say the doctrine itself is violent, no matter how someone decides to interpret.
But you explained it all pretty well and in good detail.
Dennzer1 Well, being an english only speaker, it doesnt make sense to me how Mullahs, Ayatollahs or Imams can look at the same passages and then interpret/preach completely different things about them.
I am aware what is written in english, any passage, if well written can have some latitude of interpretation, but unless it is horribly done, most people will generally come to the same conclusions about any one passage.
To hear from Arabic speaking Muslims that you can take any passage and have an Imam for example interpret in ANY number of ways due to whatever vagaries are in the language is just alien to me, and often times the same one will interpret the same passages in different ways according to the changing circumstances as required. But they will say it (mind you my sample size is just the people I know and speak to - so i could be utterly fucking wrong, but I have also heard Dan Carlin try to explore this issue with his groups and they told him the same).
You apparently can take any violent passage you want if you speak the language, and choose to see it any way you see it as or need it to say - kill all nonbelievers, etc, and have that considered a valid interpretation. Just as valid as anyone who decides that no, such a passage was ONLY meant for spiritual betterment, etc.
It sounds weird, but it is true in the Muslim Arabic-speaking worldview, even if to us it seems ridiculous. Hell I just seen a video of a Muslim woman recently telling us how the burqa is an expression of true feminism :P
wishcraft4u2 Interpretation? Not to the degree I seem to be getting from Muslims I speak to.
As for christian countries? Places like the US usually dont brand, and havent branded any conflicts as holy wars since the 1800s or earlier. Sure they could be fighting for their religion I guess, but the US isnt selling it as such at all. All political and ideological reasoning from what I gather.
You are right that the US inflicts enormous causalities on other countries at least, but they arent the focus of this video. Islam and its tenets are.
I don't think I respect any woman more than her. She is brave, courageous, classy and no nonsense lady.
She lied about witnessing the somali genocide. She lied about the religion claiming in her book "prey", that we worship muhammed. She lied about how immigration of muslim men leads to more rape. Because the demographic she analysed to prove this fact was not even a muslim population! She literally used Africa as an example and called it "muslim".
Brave because she offends 2 billion people on earth? You must be delusional, she's one of yours, we don't claim her, it's pretty clear she's planted by the west and you guys love mocking our religion don't you.
A bunch of sad little souls, can't even feel pity for you cuz you're cruel. What is more cruel than abandoning the truth and then mocking it. You guys need a taste of your Medicine.
Go watch her discussion with mohammed hijab if you wanna know how dumb what she's saying is
@a Cool Teddybear look at the sharia law of taliban.. she's not nonsense..u r
This women is mad. She doesnt even know the basic of islam
She is a brave lady
I respect her opinion 🙏
Am I the only one in love with this woman, beautiful, extremely smart, and a great accent! wow yeah and finding the good fight
+Gaius “Caligula” Germanicus No her husband found her first. You can bet a better man than us as well.
she's a bastard man's son.
+Cheryl Baghernejad
I'm not religious. I'm tired of asylum seeking dogs
so are we lol could you try to get them all back please?
Ambrose of Milan j
I'm wowed such an eloquent, articulate, thoughtful women she's beyond me
She is for the retards.
Fuck you for following a murderous pedophile. Islam is garbage.
Ovi I
How and when did you enter this argument.
Shortly after I realized you don't have the backbone to tell the truth about the pedophile prophet
Tree Hugger
Well seriously; are we in the movie 'death becomes her'. I'm just being real, I can't be bothered to wait for a heart attack, I wish someone would shoot me.
I think she is extremely brave. Some powerfully evil forces are after her.
She is an evil force herself
@@kckc4258
Oh please grow up.
All religions should be challenged and questioned for their grand claims.
@@kckc4258 ok we get it. you are an islamist neanderthal
based on what she said, She is proving that Mohammad is the final Messenger of Allah. For a man to control the 1.2B people in 2020 after 1500 years of his death, that makes him either GOD or Prophet of Allah. there is no 3rd choice
@@qualxt6562 Going by your logic, Jesus has 2.4B followers. So, what does that make mohammed? Just saying... 🤣
You won't hear this on the BBC.
They have to be impartial. All of their workers you never hear of their views on things because it can be seen as biased
No they are too scared of getting killed or their buildings being blown up
I like her logical and structured thinking.
She lied about witnessing the somali genocide. She lied about the religion claiming in her book "prey", that we worship muhammed. She lied about how immigration of muslim men leads to more rape. Because the demographic she analysed to prove this fact was not even a muslim population! She literally used Africa as an example and called it "muslim".
Publishing this was bold, lol.
What we need
Every Muslim needs to watch this, right NOW!
and then what
Gul-pham Khan Then hopefully some number of Muslims will break their cycle of complacency and apathy when it comes to extremists committing atrocities.
I can see you're a prime example of that! lol, not.
I am watching and laughed with what she said, especially with the 'Mohammad in Mecca and in Madina' lol.
She knows nothing about Muhammad. She better find another job to gain money with. or let her read about Muhammad who was selected as the most influential man ever lived on earth by non-Muslims.
See what many non-Muslim historians said about him, see what good people like Mahatma Gandi said about Muhammad. Ayan might have been raised in a Muslim family or society who themselves were away from Islam and mistreated her, so she developed a strong hate for Islam. But whatever she says about Islam and Prophet Muhammad is so wrong and misinformation
+Faisel Muktar
Don't be lenient towards her. She is pure evil. She suffers from delusions of grandeur.
Fatima Aziz
Ok, dear sis
I have watched several of her debates. She really do not have knowledge like many non-Muslim debaters; she only throws words of hate. Since I know the type of society she was born and raised, I would give her good replies, if i get a chance to debate her on stage, though i am am way younger than her.
My goodness, what an amazing gift from Somalia to the world, really!! Respects to this icon of our times..
Very special woman. Ayaan, I hope one day you may return to the Netherlands, greetings from Amsterdam
Islam religion of peace- NEW UPDATE ruclips.net/video/SINSolnrmP0/видео.html
based on what she said, She is proving that Mohammad is the final Messenger of Allah. For a man to control the 1.2B people in 2020 after 1500 years of his death, that makes him either GOD or Prophet of Allah. there is no 3rd choice
She is a blessed being. I think she is God's special child.
Cultural stagnation is the curse of many cultures and religions, I believe it's the reason behind the incredible resistance to progress in many parts of the world, as for Mohammed he didn't leave a narrative for progress for the same reason the church fought it for so long the moment you can freely question a religion, you leave the gates of reason open and which spells the religions death.
based on what she said, She is proving that Mohammad is the final Messenger of Allah. For a man to control the 1.2B people in 2020 after 1500 years of his death, that makes him either GOD or Prophet of Allah. there is no 3rd choice
Not in islam, We have always accepted discussion and debate about Islam, but not lies and ha,te speeches
@@qualxt6562 or it's because he also indirectly create a dynasty of his own
@@qualxt6562 there is, the option that you're just too dumb to get why that could be humanly possible.
She knew deep down that she's blinded by her hatred for Muhammed himself. Muhammad didn't preach against innovations. Infact, he encouraged his followers to search for any kind of (positive) knowledge wherever it might be. When muhammad says there is no innovations in the matters of his religion he was basically referring to fundamental tenets of Islam. For example, 5 daily prayers will never become six, fasting should be observed in the month of Ramadan and so on. So I encourage everyone to enquire more from authentic source rather than hate-driven individuals such as Ali.
Actually he was against innovation because he believed it was blasphemy to try to understand Allah's ways, even stating that the moon will rise tomorrow because it's a rock in orbit around the earth was blasphemy to Mohammed.
Basically, under Mohammed the only technology or science that was allowed to exist under him was that which give greater insight into time predictions.
augie nelson basically you mentioned 3 things here attributed to Muhammed (saw) and none of them can be confirmed to have been said by him.
That's my point. People come up with twisted things attributed to Muhammed. Search for the truth with an open mind and it shall set you free.
SuperAdepeju I read Muhammad was a child rapist. I don't like that shit. If you read the Quran with an open mind you would see that it's all bollocks.
SuperAdepeju Did it ever occur to you that her hatred is entirely rational? That she has every valid reason to hate Islam? That Islam itself is a frightening thing? That maybe, just maybe, Islam is WRONG?
SuperAdepeju How dishonest of you. Read the Quran. Read the hadith's. Nothing in it ever is against innovation. Of course there is no innovation in religion, you can't just have a human changing Gods laws. And the things is, if you want to change your religion Islam even says you can believe in what you want. But Islam is Islam and no one can change it. So why is she focusing on changing the religion why don't you just make up your own?
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is one of the most beateous faces on earth with brain and brawn. Long live Ayaan.
This is completely ridiculous, she is confusing between bidda'ah and innovation . If innovation was a sin , then how how could muslim spain be considered the golden age of islam, which also inspired the European enlightenment!
Although much of what I had previously seen of Hirsi Ali had not impressed me all that much, she did an excellent job here. This is one of her best videos on RUclips; the number of dislikes is silly.
The number of dislike is silly. She is a bastard man's son.
Descriptions of all kinds of videos so seldom state the year in which the footage was originally recorded...
Anti-Innovation is an ambiguous word. All religions try to twist other's religious beliefs into becoming their religion. All religions have clergy that paint the teachings of the religion to maximize personal benefit effectively redefining the religion into their servant. All religions that do not remain current with the people's intellect or survival needs become extinct. Depending on the nature of the innovation it can destroy or perpetuate a religion.
based on what she said, She is proving that Mohammad is the final Messenger of Allah. For a man to control the 1.2B people in 2020 after 1500 years of his death, that makes him either GOD or Prophet of Allah. there is no 3rd choice
Religious clerics worst nightmare.
An intelligent beautiful woman who thinks critically and questions fixed closed minds.
based on what she said, She is proving that Mohammad is the final Messenger of Allah. For a man to control the 1.2B people in 2020 after 1500 years of his death, that makes him either GOD or Prophet of Allah. there is no 3rd choice
@@qualxt6562
Ayaan personally is not convinced there is a supernatural God or an Arabic speaking angel or a divine prophet
However you are welcome to believe whatever you wish.
@@iainrae6159 Thank you,
Ask her about that, it is not me who is saying that it is her saying that Muhammad has an Ideaulgy and there is 1.5B people are following him after 1500 years. She has No brain. 1 Man Makes followers like this, show me who is on earth can do that? she is a dump. Islam is a message from Allah and Muhammad is a messenger of Allah, the same as Jesus and Moses and Ibraham. all of them were Muslims
Huh? Worst nightmare? I literally don't understand what she wants to achieve, she says it is anti innovation but what does she want to innovate??
I watched a RUclips video (Intelligence Debate) where I first seen this lady Ayaan Hirsi and her co supporter was Doug Murray. The topic of the debate is Islam a peaceful religion? Ayaan and Doug were against. That these two had clear facts and they had the ability to coincide their facts with history and back into contemporary times. They were so brilliant that they won obviously they did their research and drew from experiences (Greatness)...I have become interested in Ayaan discussions on RUclips....
Same here,Rona.
Also watched that debate. They (Ayaan & Douglas) were simply brilliant.
"except me as the profit"
>.>
No
I was making fun of the description, not telling you to accept _me_ as the prophet of anything. :P
Lockirby2
A burger as a Prophet is something I could get used too.
Lockirby2 ALAHU BURGER KING
Lockirby2 Allahu snackbar
Interesting thoughts. I'd like to hear more from her.
Teensie King She's pretty well spoken by now. Check RUclips for more!
Don't know why you're interested. She's one of those individuals fox news loves. Completely dishonest and possess no knowledge of Islam or religion as a whole. But hates it (for what ever personal and subjective-nothing that is actually intellectually honest).
mjinzarli i see no hate here, or anywhere. just critical thought. maybe its you that hates critical thinking? shes allowed to have her viewpoint - based on research. the fact that you take away from her research, that she "hates" Islam, proves much of her research as correct.
mjinzarli You guys should watch the video "The Erosion of Progress by Religions" A speech by Neil deGrasse Tyson he further explains how Islam fucked up.
mjinzarli I have no idea why she hates it, after her friend was ritually murdered in the streets for making a documentary, having her clit cut off and requiring constant protection by very real death threats.
Big Think, please feature Karen Armstrong on Muhammad in order to balance out this ignorance, thanks
She is already on Big Think, and is excellent as always.. Just search 'Karen Armstrong Big Think'. peace!
Xian Karen Armstrong is a religious apologist. It's like saying please feature a neo-Nazi to balance out the people talking bad about Nazis.
Miranox
hahahaha
cocoarecords
I personally believe in free speech, even for neo-Nazis, but some people will disagree.
Xian What did she say that was ignorant? Specifically?
This explains a lot to me.
I see
This woman is a class act, through and through! What a blessing to hear her rational thinking in these times ❤️
no she isnt
She's a liar
@MorallyDerogatoryCA She lied about witnessing the somali genocide. She lied about the religion claiming in her book "prey", that we worship muhammed. She lied about how immigration of muslim men leads to more rape. Because the demographic she analysed to prove this fact was not even a muslim population! She literally used Africa as an example and called it "muslim".
She's amazing. And islam is evil, just like it's false prophet.
@@justaguy3538what did she lie about? The fact that Mohamed is a fraud?
explain to me how western (US) feminists are so against this woman. How?!
based on what she said, She is proving that Mohammad is the final Messenger of Allah. For a man to control the 1.2B people in 2020 after 1500 years of his death, that makes him either GOD or Prophet of Allah. there is no 3rd choice
@@qualxt6562 Wrong. Muhammad performed no miracles, killed and ordered the killing of many people, married and had sex with a 9 year old, married the divorced wife of his own adopted son whilst causing the divorce, allowed himself and his followers to rape war captives as well as marrying pre pubescent girls, and beat up their wives into submission, and on top of that believed that he ought to fight till no one believes that only Allah can be worshipped. Also, through the Quran he claimed Alexander the Great found the sunsets on murky water, stars are missiles, and sperm is made from the backbone. If anything he is a false prophet who deceived billions.
Political correctness
@@BoscoTungWaldo no knowledge, check ☑
From my understanding of this video, Muhammad was a great thinker, a philosopher if you will, but he's claimed that his world views and moral truths are absolute. And because a lot still follow his teachings and morals almost literally, conservative Islamic culture can't "innovative" on thought.
Yep. Just bc people didn't see him as a prophet, doesn't mean we also see him as stupid or crazy person. He's pretty much intelectual, wise, and also opportunistic
What she was saying, is that Muhammad is a egoist who think he is the alpha, beta and omega that cannot be challenged. And thus his world in this time, is till relevant in today's world. The way she said is so British.
That's actually what Steve Jobs initially tried to do ... he didn't get away with it but he wanted to make all Apple innovations proprietary and fixed in law. In the end competition laws made him release source code and standards after x amount of years (can't recall the exact figure). Mainly effected serial IO etc.
Comparing electronic devices with laws is the stupidest things a human being can do....
I have listened a few people as rational as she
ajay saini her*
based on what she said, She is proving that Mohammad is the final Messenger of Allah. For a man to control the 1.2B people in 2020 after 1500 years of his death, that makes him either GOD or Prophet of Allah. there is no 3rd choice
@@qualxt6562 the concept of dawa is the reason there are 1.2 billion now
I actually thought this was about the clock kid.
She makes some very good points which cannot be repudiated given the current narrative of Islamic culture
Was it good to conquer (4:10)? Just ,,No" to inovations was wrong?
Do you really understand the difference between the innovation in scientific sense and the religious one? Pity.
Can you please explain your point? In your opinion is she correct or not?
Read “Infidel” by Ayaan. One of the most important books in modern time.
READ THE AL-QUR'AN, ONE OF THE MOST BEAUTIFUL & MIRACULOUS BOOK OF ALL TIMES❗❗⁉️❗🤔🤔🔥
@@Joorawon.M.Yousuf - Books depicting miracles are shelved on the non-fiction section. Though, we may appreciate ‘some’ of it’s wonderfully written passages, turn the page and you’ll find primitive, Iron-Age philosophy that isn’t compatible to 21st century thinking and/or the progress of our civilization as a species. We can always do better, brother.
@@MorallyDerogatoryCA Progress of our civilisation? Where does Islam say do not become civilized? Or do not strive for progress?
@@hn6498 - I suppose we should start with how you define “progress”? If progress means the subjugation of woman, hostility towards non-believers, condoning violence in general towards outsiders, etc., then Islam can claim the mantle of “progress”. You can site passages that claim the contrary; however, we can all just as easily locate contradicting passages that would side with my claim. An omniscient being would not be so fallible in his/her/it’s literary work. If I am missing something please let me know, honestly and objectively. Thank you.
@@MorallyDerogatoryCA You linked Islam with progress and called it Iron-Age. Why do you say that? Now of course you have presented your stance above as "subjugation of woman, hostility towards non-believers, condoning violence", it is obviously your general sense of Islam which YOU are responsible for having, I do not know how or why, that does not mean Islam is "Iron-age" as you described it. Unless you show that its authentic scriptures explicitly say those things.
Allahu Ackbar! *boom*
It's a trap!
Dino Perić Aloha Snackbar!!!!!
Dino Perić never gets old , lol
rictus gate lol
I dont get you what are you saying Allah akbar means Allah is the greatest
3:10 actually Steve Jobs kinda did that, he designed his devices so people couldnt' modify them. Apple is pretty much the Islam of computers lol.
I agree
Its a horrible comparison. What is there to change about praying 5 times a day? The Islam is perfect because it does not need to change. Why should i change my 5 daily prayers, my fasting, my zakah (which is giving to the poor), going to Mekkah if i can afford it and the shahada (testify of Allah being the only God and Muhammad, peace be upoj him, His Messenger)? What is there to change? Exactly nothing. It is prohibited to 'innovate' because it could lead you to things that could have you in a state of disbelieving without you knowing it. You may say yeah so and so does so and so he is bad, but thats because they have abandoned the way of the prophet, peace be upon him. There is a reason why the high supreme court of America declared Muhammad, peace be upon him, as one of the greatest leaders of alla time in the 70's.
makeithappen bourriht What is there to change about child marriage? What is there to change about killing apostates? What I’d there to change about considering women as half as worthy as a man? What is there to change about abolishing adoption?
@@makeithappenbourriht963 you need 5 dongles on an apple product
@@solarissa2463 Apple exploits child labor and kills workers that do not work hard enough. Apple. Islam Inside!
Wow, She is single handedly destroying the extremist radicals. This just a start & thousands of muslim women are going to rise up to follow footsteps of Ayan and reform Islam in the way radicals never couldn't imagine.... Well done Ayan. You started a revolution in minds of all muslim women who are courageously started raising voices & questioning the very fundamentals...
A most interesting point.
Claimed timelessness, unlike demonstrable timelessness
Well done,Ayaan.Keep up the good work.
You are an amazing human being!
A lier
allah is the best of liars you braindead fool.
Just because she is speaking english means she is speaking facts😂😂
Stop blabbering your Interiority Complex. Nobody listens to her for linguistic lessons in English. She can state facts exposing Islam in Arabic, Somali, English, Dutch and French.
@@shalinitiwariscorner5210 What facts is she stating? I have not found a single logical "fact" from her...
@Shalini Tiwari's corner don't be a sheep and believe Everything you hear. She speaks from personal opinion not facts. Everything she said was a bunch of lies.
Wow. She speaks pure hard facts. A small group with rhetoric blinding vulnerable people with peace wins one victory; which leads to a bigger group aiming for a bigger victory.🙈🙉🙊
i am now greatly convinced that the best of everything lies in the best balance of knowledge and wisdom... 75%wisdom and 25%of knowledge. and it should never be the other way around. otherwise, false truths keep on popping up. to say that this woman is an inspiration maybe an understatement but i couldn't mean it more .
Interesting that Babists and Baha'is consider Mohammed a prophet, but have other prophets after him. So I guess his being the "last" prophet is just a matter of belief which not everyone shares.
I wonder what would have happened if Jesus had locked his teachings in place never to be changed. We might not have had the Book of Revelations or the Book of Mormon; or the letters from apostles might not have been included in the Bible. Whether that would have made things better or worse, though, is anybody's guess.
I just love your thoughts! it's so meaningful..
based on what she said, She is proving that Mohammad is the final Messenger of Allah. For a man to control the 1.2B people in 2020 after 1500 years of his death, that makes him either GOD or Prophet of Allah. there is no 3rd choice
@@qualxt6562 he was a warlord .end.
@@qualxt6562 He just zombified Desert dwellers . End
Such Muslim like her also mentioned in Quran who will misunderstand Islam for their self made thought on clear thing. They actually deceive themself.
i am a muslim i have read quran several times as well as other islamic books,the more i read them the more i find hypocrisy in them,to the point that i don't even want to read them due to the sheer disgust i feel,Islam in no way teaches violence or anything like that,but what the muslims consider their guidance book,is extremely hypocritical which a religious book shouldn't be.
***** Thankyou for being honest, and not being biased defending bad ideas at all costs, the bible has allot of bad advice/ commandments in it too, we just don't follow it. i hope islam becomes reformed too.
4:18 to 4:30. This is the very definition of thought police, as described in Orwell's 1984.
well said, i agree
Going forward prohibited, must stay concretized or regress?
I'm an ex muslim from Afghanistan currently living as refugee in UK and I'm every interested in pre islamic arabian mythologies
Ok but who asked?
So why do you leaved
I used to like Ayaan Hirsi Ali, I thought she was brave and correct about everything she said about Islam. I still think she's brave but nowadays I think her views are over simplistic and often flat out incorrect.
I voted dislike on this video, so if you want to know why people do that you can take it up with me...
Innovation cannot be a sin...or we are all in trouble!
When mohammad conquered mecca he make sure to do it with out fight and then he said to the people of mecca what do you think im doing with you they said kind brother and kind nephew he said go you are the free people.
based on what she said, She is proving that Mohammad is the final Messenger of Allah. For a man to control the 1.2B people in 2020 after 1500 years of his death, that makes him either GOD or Prophet of Allah. there is no 3rd choice
@@qualxt6562 These people will never think. I pray for them...
Wow this women should be given honor, respect, comfort and should be in the hall of fame all over the world for risking her life to save others from this frozen faith that should've reformed long time ago. And no thanks to the leader in each country for not paying attention to this heretic Religion. Ayaan I am praying for your safety everyday I love you and thank you for believing in yourself in bringing this huge change to Islam someone had to do it.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali is so well spoken, calm, knowlegable and intelligent.
its a pleasure just to listen to her!
So calm she might be a psychopath.
The devil is also calm and intelligent
based on what she said, She is proving that Mohammad is the final Messenger of Allah. For a man to control the 1.2B people in 2020 after 1500 years of his death, that makes him either GOD or Prophet of Allah. there is no 3rd choice
Mohammed began as a respected merchant, then a warlord, then a prophet, then a dictator.
Radical promoters of his teachings are the enemies of peaceful coexistence.
Yeah that's why even his followers from arab invade other countries & converted ppl with power of sword.
If not agree to convert, they used to muder, rape or what not.
But see that is the condition of Arab countries in today' situation & that's called 'karma'.
Islam didn't freeze innovation if she just read the first verse of Quran is simply translated to read. Not only reading in the context of religion and as a scholar of Islam, but also read in everything. Muslims have read translated, edited and created sciences that we still use to this day. Algorithm was named after a muslim scientist, to this date the same name stands as a monument for those who make such an argument about islam vs modernization. The only thing that would stand and is true about islam is that islam has no age, which can be rather counter intuitive to some people, Islam doesn't change, it only adapts. The rules of Islam either as a belief or a life style didn't contradict with the modern world, it only does that when viewed from the lenses of modern western civilization. Even the beginning of western civilization had more common things with islam than contradictions given that you are putting it in the frame of the catholic church. The separation of church and state lead to the "development" of culture for the western civilization outside of religion's "rules". While the religion is still there but it is rarely truly a religion as it is completely prisioned inside the church cage. In my opinion, this transformed it to be weak and not really effictive. If religion does not help you be "more decent" for other beings just for being good then the context of being good in the culture transforms with each context. Capitalism and/or cultural "innovation" should never be viewed as a replacement or an "upgrade" for a religion they are simply what they are, culture, and a free market. It is really painful to see such kind of arguement from a person who is supposed to be keen on the matter, I believe we really need more bridges for knowledge and ideas.
Interesting arguments, but I think there's just a misunderstanding between core fundamental value, which is very common.
As an ex-muslim I totally agree with what she’s saying. I’ve read her books, her journey was really full of ups and downs, but happily she made it after all. On the contrary, as a Palestinian refugee I hope she comes to Palestine and conducts her own research, she would then reconsider her views on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
God bless you Ayaan Hirsi Ali! And I will continue to hold you in my prayers each and every day so that God may keep you safe. Keep fighting the good fight Ayaan, because the only thing evil needs to prosper is, for the good to remain silent. And even though you were born and raised in an Islamic enviornment, at heart and in mind you are and always will be a Human Being who deserves the same rights and respect as everyone else. The truth and free speech you so strongly defend is a rare aspect seem today in America: the foundation of freedom of speech. You are the embodiment of our forefathers, our brave soldiers and the true aspect of what the US was built on. You, my dear, are more American then most of the people who live here. And just to demonstrate my statement, even FOX news anchor, Bill O Rielly who always considered himself the pinnacle of an American Patriot has proven himself a coward by every decimation of the word, when he stated that he wouldn't take the risk the South Park show took when they attempted to portray Muhammed in an episode! I'm very glad and cherish very much that there is someone like to advocate on the side of humanity and freedom. Never give in and never give up.
What Ayaan said is correct, she also stated that Islam never reformed but there was a reform movement in the 1840's. Read The Dawn Breakers by Namil, it's a first hand account of what happened in Iran at that time.
Clear and precise idea 💡 you can see it is coming from a great mind
Thanks big think! I found it very easy to follow her unbiased, articulate train of thought and understand muslim a little better.
It is not unbiased she hates muslims as an ex muslim thats the only thing people need to understand
if you really want to learn about Muslims and islam, then you've come to the wrong place. This is pure hate without knowledge on Islam. Let me recommend who to follow. Follow Mufti Menk
@@kuljahanproductions4587 keep repeating the nonsense, your religion has been already exposed through your own scriptures and heritage.
@@sumiben5211 ah wow, never knew you could expose 2 billion people on earth or do you want to start a war? Your comments are what somebody affiliated with H*tler would say.
And our religion is absolutely exposed, that's right, EXPOSED to you guys of being the absolute truth yet your hate has caused you to be blind. Ah poor soul
Nobody can help you when your heart's pitch dark, I'm sorry 😅
@@sumiben5211 Where it has been exposed? Please help me leave Islam. Also refer knowledge people who are not Islamophobes.
As Christopher Hichens said.
' The most beautiful three words in the world, Ayan Hirsi Ali '
When lying and making up stories becomes “beautiful” by an ugly man.
Without lies islam dies. Because it's an evil, barbaric created by an evil, barbaric man.
When you are illitrate on a certain matter.... You can make whatever stories you want.... And you will find followers.... Specially this is a high time to find masses of followers if you are talking against islam in any remote way.
If you had actually pointed out why she was wrong that would have been beneficial. Just calling somebody illiterate is not a literate reaction.
@@srinivasarameshkotikalapud1838 i said 'illiterate on a certain matter' and i agree that was not the proper response from my side. The more appropriate would have been, she is followig a "certain agenda". And that is the reason a sensible person dont argue or reason with someone who is on an agenda. To understand this you have to get yourself into a discussion with someone who is on a mission with certain agenda.
@@yasirsaeed5801 My view is different. I'm actually interested in people with agendas. They're usually the ones that actually can get something done. But I look at the motivation and reasonableness of the agenda. Some agendas are motivated by selfishness and/or identity. In that case, there's nothing to argue. Consciously or unconsciously they're defending their identity and selfish interests. Then there's only one thing to look at, is it reasonable or not. If it's reasonable, then probably they're fighting for justice and I will support them. If not, then there's no point. Arguing with an unreasonable and selfish person is not a good use of time. By the way, I don't see Ayaan Hirsi as an unreasonable person. Also she's not excessively selfish. I did not go through the same experiences that she went through so I can not say anything beyond that.
Opening the gates of reason would do more than innovate Islam, it would render it a fairy tale with some good ideas and a lot of bad ones. And that would be a very good thing for humanity.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali hones in on what is precisely wrong with Muhammad's Islam, as well as most of the Abrahamic faiths. In an effort to appear as if these religious pronouncements are the "perfect" word of God, Muhammad, as well as religious figures in both Christianity and Judaism, forbid those who come after them to improve upon their hallowed doctrinal statements - essentially making any effort to modify the doctrines tantamount to the worst crime. What results is that the barbarism, ignorance, and chauvinism that these ancient men were the product of are given religious sanction today. Hence, deeply religious societies, who cling to the literal word of these men, remain barbaric, ignorant, and chauvinistic.
You're wrong.
Christianity does not forbid innovation. And if you will be honest,you'll admit that many in the 16th,17th and 18th centuries who have contributed to the global society today through scientific discoveries and inventions,were Christians.
@@ekpedemendifon4902 Where did I mention anything about scientific advancement. I was talking about their moral and theological ideals.
Awesome as always.
Thank you for your valuable and highly informative opinions and facts that you share with the world.
Do you consider this woman worthier than Gandhi? Read what Gandhi said about prophet Mohammad.
Gandhi didn't do enough research.
More to the point the quran is declared absolute and final - as soon as you prove one passage of the quran incorrect it destroys the absolute and brings into question the whole quran.
But the vid is very incisive and Ayaan is a beautiful inspiring person, inside and out.
Similar to the curse of Infallibility in my Catholic Church. Great talk Ayaan! I used to be sort of against your view, but now I see it clearly as the sun.
Very well said, Ayaan.
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@@ISLAMICPREACHERAPOLOGIST
Get out
i love this women ...
based on what she said, She is proving that Mohammad is the final Messenger of Allah. For a man to control the 1.2B people in 2020 after 1500 years of his death, that makes him either GOD or Prophet of Allah. there is no 3rd choice
@@qualxt6562 by that logic chinese president and Indian President also r god's cuz they each control 1.5 billion people , more or less
@@pruk6663 Ask her about that, it is not me who is saying that it is her saying that Muhammad has an Ideaulgy and there is 1.5B people are following him after 1500 years. She has No brain. 1 Man Makes followers like this, show me who is on earth can do that? she is a dump. Islam is a message from Allah and Muhammad is a messenger of Allah, the same as Jesus and Moses and Ibraham. all of them were Muslims
@@qualxt6562 Krisnha did the same thing and Hinduism is 1.8 billion population. So your argument is bad
@@pruk6663 savage reply
God, how I adore this woman.
While the whole matter of the finality of the prophethood with Mohammed and Islam as the final and only religion before god became a very central doctrine to orthodox Islam it is not so clear if this really was intended in the way orthodoxy now claims this. This principle is not only challenged by Islamic reformers, but also by mystics, philosophers, and heterodox movements.
The doctrine of being the last and perfect religion also finds expression in Christianity, Judaism and Buddhism.
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Amazing AAYAN...Speaking truth, courageously, with clarity....just amazing...
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I do not know what Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali mean when they say we need to reform Islam...It sounds something like this...."kick boxing as a sport has too much inherent violence in it, lets remove the kicking and boxing from it and reform this sport".
+Charlie Bronson You may remove it's teeth and claws but you can't make the lion eat veggies its entire life....Something that is carnivorous by nature is going to attack eventually...Shoot it in the head and be relaxed for life.
We people should never take people who changed their religion serious as her until we search for the truth.
If u search for true and get to know she is right then what are u going to do
@@levisenyon800 thats up to you.
@Great tell us your sources
She’s a genius!
Hyperbolic statement
If Islam is so great why all the death sentences on ex-Muslims?
The more ppl attack Islam the more this religions gets stronger!!isn't that weird??By the way I've never seen an Islamic clash on Christianity because they believe in Jesus and there is a whole chapter in Quran about merry and Jesus and it is so beautiful and peaceful
Well, innovation is deemed a sin in Islam but only in the rules and the laws of Islam that were already set, not anything else, of course people will change and so they have but the rules and laws did not. He did not "freeze" Islam, Islam had its own golden age and the advancements made in this period are there even if they are not acknowledged widely, not just in the golden age mind you but generally speaking. Besides how can a strict set of rules like Islam is be changed, it would kill its own purpose, everything it represents as a whole.
Probably the most accurate explanation of Muhammad's life according to the timeline he was going through & how it shows the contrast in Islam.
To anyone who has a basic education on Islam and Islamic history it is very clearly the least accurate. She is uneducated on Islam on even a most basic level.
She lied about witnessing the somali genocide. She lied about the religion claiming in her book "prey", that we worship muhammed. She lied about how immigration of muslim men leads to more rape. Because the demographic she analysed to prove this fact was not even a muslim population! She literally used Africa as an example and called it "muslim".
She knows nothing about Islam or Sharia outside of bias reviews and persepectives that she refuses to leave because it is the reason people like second wave feminists support her.
I get the feeling this lady didn’t read the Quran herself. Innovation in regards to religious matter is bad, but innovation in general is good “the golden era” proves this much.
no one need to read that satanic book
she released like how many books?? i have red them and if u did too i think u whould be pretty sure she red the Quran.
He gave dawah and he was persecuted for it.
The question is how do you separate the early Mohammed from the latter one!? They are the same figure. The belief system even seems to hold the latter as the enlightened, more effective since it is the oppressive sharia that is held as the standard for a "good" muslim.
I'm a Christian, can we all agree, (no matter what religion), that this commentary may seem calm and logical, it really isn't because Muhammad didn't say no to scientific innovation, but religious innovation. It was the weird middle age Muslims who interpreted the book this way. I defend Islam because everytime an atheist or apostate tries to argue theology, they always get it REALLY wrong. They don't understand them.
John Waas u are not a practising Christian
She isn't afraid to speak the truth. More power to this great lady
Interesting angle, Miss A. Wasn't this bound to happen whether he said innovation is bad or not? Isn't stagnation the outcome of any collectivist plan?