I strongly disagree with some things on this video. The changes that happen to the letters K, P, T in the middle of words is called konsonant gradation (suom. astevaihtelu) and it has a clear set of rules of how and why it happens (and few exeptions). Calling these changes (or the words with these letters) irregular is very misleeding. PIIRTÄÄ - RT - RR Minä piiRRän (the suffix ends to a consonant = syllable is closed) Hän piiRTää (the suffix ends to a wovel = the syllable is open) the rule is: look at the end of the syllable! It's all about wether the syllable in open or closed with a consonant. RAKENTAA (same rule) Minä rakeNNan Hän rakeNTaa This does not happen because there are 2 consonants... This happens because one of them is T (or K or P) Rämpiä - minä Rämmin, hän rämpii kulkea - minä kuljen, hän kulkee polkea - Minä poljen, hän polkee note: LK does not become LL. It becomes LJ (still goes by the rules) and the same rules apply to nouns as well: Virta - Virran ilta - illan
True, but there were no Finnish linguists making videos 5+ years ago. I think this video/channel is a good basic introduction to the language. Another youtube channel that teaches this KPT rule more in depth is called "Sinä osaat! Suomen kieltä kaikille".
Kiitos I plan on watching your videos over and over again till I understand it then move onto the next I hope to learn soumi before UK leave Europe :) I don't like reading or words :( like using my hands more, hitsaaja cooking
Please note: Letters don't always change! nominative: KA-TU on pitkä. (open syllable) adessive: KA-DUL-LA on auto. (closed syllable) partitive: KA-TU-A pitkin voi kulkea. (open) genetive: KA-DUN varrella on kahvila (closed) allative: KA-DUL-LE saa pysäkoidä. (closed) and so on... CLear rules! affects letters T, K, P Not word body, but consonant gradation!!!
Thank you for making this video! I’m learning Finnish words now mainly and when I learned that “physics” is called “fysiikka” I assumed that “music” would be “musiikka”, but evidently it’s “musiikki”. This is just how it is and has nothing to do with vowel harmony?
I haven't looked at the etymology, but I suspect it's whatever the form was in the language it was borrowed from. Also, the way Finnish modified borrowed words changed over time.
How would you break up piirtää? Pii-r-tää or piir-tää (or (sounds weird) pii-rtää) Also things like Miksi Mik-si vs mi-ksi I personally feel like double consonants like tt are more like Mu-tta (instead of mut-ta) as in Japanese system with a pause between U and T "っ"
Piir-tää, a consonant cannot make a syllable on it's own, it needs a vowel as a friend. Mik-si, there cannot be two consonants next to each other in a sylllable; here also consonant needs a vowel. Same in Mut-ta ("but"), no two consonants in a row in the same syllable. Mu-ta ("dirt"). A goes naturally with T, so the A does not form its own syllable :)
Hello, thanks for your wonderful videos, I'm really enjoying them. But, I'm sorry, I have a question. I don't understand the point brought out about vowel harmony with compound words from 1'51". What do you mean by, "then we use the vowel harmony of the last word?"
Hi, sorry for not answering! So, in Finnish some nouns are written together, for example "kosketusnäyttö", a touch screen. In here KOSKETUS means touch and NÄYTTÖ means screen. KOSKETUS has back vowels (UO) and NÄYTTÖ has front vowels in them. The basic grammar rule goes, that there can't be back vowels and front vowels in the same word, but in compound words, this is possible. So, if the word has both back and front vowels, what suffix are we going to use? We use the suffix, that fit's the latter word's word harmony. In this case NÄYTTÖ is the latter word, and that word has front vowels in it, so we use the front vowel suffix, -SSÄ. (kosketukseSSA, in touch, kosketusNÄYTÖSSÄ, in touch sscreen). Hope you understood now :)
I strongly disagree with some things on this video. The changes that happen to the letters K, P, T in the middle of words is called konsonant gradation (suom. astevaihtelu) and it has a clear set of rules of how and why it happens (and few exeptions). Calling these changes (or the words with these letters) irregular is very misleeding.
PIIRTÄÄ - RT - RR
Minä piiRRän (the suffix ends to a consonant = syllable is closed)
Hän piiRTää (the suffix ends to a wovel = the syllable is open)
the rule is: look at the end of the syllable! It's all about wether the syllable in open or closed with a consonant.
RAKENTAA (same rule)
Minä rakeNNan
Hän rakeNTaa
This does not happen because there are 2 consonants... This happens because one of them is T (or K or P)
Rämpiä - minä Rämmin, hän rämpii
kulkea - minä kuljen, hän kulkee
polkea - Minä poljen, hän polkee
note: LK does not become LL. It becomes LJ (still goes by the rules)
and the same rules apply to nouns as well:
Virta - Virran
ilta - illan
These videos are for beginners, not experts!
True, but there were no Finnish linguists making videos 5+ years ago. I think this video/channel is a good basic introduction to the language. Another youtube channel that teaches this KPT rule more in depth is called "Sinä osaat! Suomen kieltä kaikille".
hello, kiitos for the great videos.. there is no such youtupe videos talking about Suffix in Finnish language..
Kiitos paljon :))
I am making extensive Finnish lesson and Finnish Grammar videos on my channel. These videos are great! I am going to tell my viewers about them. :)
Kiitos I plan on watching your videos over and over again till I understand it then move onto the next I hope to learn soumi before UK leave Europe :)
I don't like reading or words :( like using my hands more, hitsaaja cooking
Please note: Letters don't always change!
nominative: KA-TU on pitkä. (open syllable)
adessive: KA-DUL-LA on auto. (closed syllable)
partitive: KA-TU-A pitkin voi kulkea. (open)
genetive: KA-DUN varrella on kahvila (closed)
allative: KA-DUL-LE saa pysäkoidä. (closed)
and so on... CLear rules! affects letters T, K, P Not word body, but consonant gradation!!!
KAI-U-TIN (closed syllable = weak state of consonant)
KAI-U-TIN-TA (closed = weak)
KAI-UT-TI-MEN (open syllable = strong state of consonant)
KAI-UT-TI-MEL-LA (open = strong)
TAN-NER (closed = weak)
TAN-NER-TA (closed = weak)
TAN-TE-REEN (open = strong)
TAN-TE-REEL-LA (open = strong)
Thanks for the video, I found it helpful.
Thanks for detailed explanation
Thank you for making this video!
I’m learning Finnish words now mainly and when I learned that “physics” is called “fysiikka” I assumed that “music” would be “musiikka”, but evidently it’s “musiikki”. This is just how it is and has nothing to do with vowel harmony?
I haven't looked at the etymology, but I suspect it's whatever the form was in the language it was borrowed from. Also, the way Finnish modified borrowed words changed over time.
How would you break up piirtää?
Pii-r-tää or piir-tää
(or (sounds weird) pii-rtää)
Also things like
Miksi
Mik-si vs mi-ksi
I personally feel like double consonants like tt are more like
Mu-tta (instead of mut-ta)
as in Japanese system with a pause between U and T
"っ"
Piir-tää, a consonant cannot make a syllable on it's own, it needs a vowel as a friend.
Mik-si, there cannot be two consonants next to each other in a sylllable; here also consonant needs a vowel.
Same in Mut-ta ("but"), no two consonants in a row in the same syllable. Mu-ta ("dirt"). A goes naturally with T, so the A does not form its own syllable
:)
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Hello, thanks for your wonderful videos, I'm really enjoying them. But, I'm sorry, I have a question. I don't understand the point brought out about vowel harmony with compound words from 1'51". What do you mean by, "then we use the vowel harmony of the last word?"
Hi, sorry for not answering! So, in Finnish some nouns are written together, for example "kosketusnäyttö", a touch screen. In here KOSKETUS means touch and NÄYTTÖ means screen. KOSKETUS has back vowels (UO) and NÄYTTÖ has front vowels in them. The basic grammar rule goes, that there can't be back vowels and front vowels in the same word, but in compound words, this is possible. So, if the word has both back and front vowels, what suffix are we going to use? We use the suffix, that fit's the latter word's word harmony. In this case NÄYTTÖ is the latter word, and that word has front vowels in it, so we use the front vowel suffix, -SSÄ. (kosketukseSSA, in touch, kosketusNÄYTÖSSÄ, in touch sscreen). Hope you understood now :)
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