We need to get Wes on the Joe Rogan show. Someone needs to clear up all of that ahistorical, Billy Carson, Ancient Aliens confusion for Joe. I think Wes is the perfect guy to do it.
You guys assume that Rogan is a good honest person. He’s not. He’s a very powerful actor with rich and powerful people behind the crafting of his guests, edits, and messages.
@@daniellamar9919 I agree, if he has that huge of an audience, he likely serves the god of this world. There are past pictures of him with Anton LaVey (Church of Satan.)
@@daniellamar9919 First of all, I don't assume that anyone is good. I know that no one is. That's why we all need Christ. Second of all, stop eating paste.
@@luisgutierrez7619 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 please do that also ; fast and use [ DMT ] power to ressurect people from dead ; or cure diseases ; please do that; and then teach us how to do that you pagan nature worshipper 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jamesmoore464 well prayer and supplication implies this. Also a man with several demons could only be driven from the discipleship _after_ they applied this principle Jesus did not take his ministry into the fullness until he was transfigured which you would kind of assume was turning the key to the human limits. All this was after he was baptized, claimed to be the son of God, and was tempted to turn stones into bread in the wilderness for 40 days This isn't Nacho Libre wilderness where your friends can see you camping some 40 yards from town. This is like uncharted wilderness where people sent lepers a tossed out their dead before hastily rushing back to the camp of civilized life
@@ramblincapuchin9075 how does prayer and supplication imply this? Supplication means humility, to put it simply. I’m not sure what verse you’re meaning, when you say that is the only way a man with several demons could be driven from the discipleship. There is a verse where Jesus heals a boy and says “this kind of demon can only be driven out by prayer”. What do you mean he didn’t take his ministry into fullness until after he was transfigured? His ministry lasted three years. He was crucified within a month of the transfiguration. The transfiguration was at the end of his ministry. He wasn’t baptized then tempted for 40 days. He was baptized, then went into the wilderness and fasted for forty days. Then he was tempted. 2 of the 3 temptation stories are not set in the wilderness. Also, all throughout his ministry he’s telling people and demons to keep quiet about being the son of the most high. Furthermore, the Jews didn’t dump their dead relatives in the wilderness. They buried them in tombs and so on. Lepers didn’t live out in the desert. They lived on the outskirts of civilization, because they had to remain 4-6 cubics away from health people. Again I ask, where does this information come from? You can literally download the Bible app and cross reference everything I said. Whoever is teaching y’all this stuff hasn’t even bothered to read the stories.
I wonder why Joe never invites people like WLC, Frank Turek, John Lenox or even a normal pastor like John McArthur. Yet he's more than happy too invite Atheist on too talk smack about God and Christianity.
I agree, I used to watch him constantly, coincidently a couple of days ago I saw a RUclips recommendation video pointing out this same thing, an old video of him emotionally frustrated while bashing Christianity, it was stupid and people believing a myth and all that. Which is nonsense coming from him, to me it felt like he felt something in specific towards Christianity, yesterday then I saw picture of a now deleted post on Instagram, outlandishly mocking Christ in the cross, I could not let that pass so I hit unfollow. Hopefully Joe has a change of heart. I’m sure he strives to be a good man. I hope he meets Christ.
Probably because sinners love their sin, so anyone willing to honestly shed light on sin isn't going to be very welcome. It's really too bad, because imagine Joe's reach if he were ever to find saving faith in Christ.
@@ohrl1146 yes, he always comes off as open minded on most things but when it comes to Christianity he seems detest it and closed minded too it, even the name Jesus alone makes some people squirm in anger, but Jesus said it would be like this they hated him, they'll hate us.
To be fair, me either, even if most of them turn out to be nonsense. Official narrative is most often based on complete horse manure. Once you discover that fact, it's hard not to take at least an interest in conspiracy theories.
@@jdm11060 we enjoy them because they hint at an underlying spiritual truth I think . The biggest conspiracy is that Satan does not want you to seek God.
I couldn't agree more! But it can't be through a complete rejection of psychedelics and "mystical experience". Too many pastors are scared to talk about this topic but I think its because they're so over saturated with the naturalist and new age ideas on these topics. If you've ever seen Roland Griffiths work he has some remarkable findings on the efficacy of plant induced self reported "mystical experiences" on things like alcoholism, drug addiction, and death anxiety. With some of his patients regarding the experiences as the most profound experiences of their lives after a single dose of these plant based substances. So this is definitely a topic we need to take seriously and the conversation can't just be deny deny deny
Why doesnt this guy go to a Revival deliverance christian church already and show him the power of the holy spirit. Lets see what happens when he brings one of his “Family” or one of his own in the arena of Freedom.
Its the age of Aquarius, lol, pieces is over... The new age is just star alignments. lol. Cant say its not real, its been known for eons. This is how they built all them temples, ya know, that huge one in Egypt right? Kinda hard to miss. What you mean to say is Gnosticism is dominating the subject, but not many know this term, its really funny too, because? Jesus was Gnostic. He taught Gnosis... Now, all one has to do is ASK... and still they do not ever, well, they ask for CASH MONEY! yea and Jesus ignores them for a few more lifetimes of greed. Jesus was never a Christian and when he taught, it was Gnosis.. Gnosis is how to commune with God, so yea, I know because i do it and its simple, its insane how many will run in fear when i say that, but believe a book 2000 years old of a bunch of men who said they could hear God... Well.... Gnosis is how ya do it. lol. Jesus will teach anyone who asks properly.
I was just thinking about how people are so against Jesus and Christianity today and that it makes me believe in Jesus more. I think that it’s the devil that places the distain in people.
So many liberal purple hair” I go to school so i am educated” Starbucks sucking people here . Disgusting. Look I have books . Go do 2 mg shrooms close the lights put earphones and meditation music and tell me you didn’t see God
Honestly love Wes , but! The golden rule (imo) about the supernatural nature of mushrooms, is that you really do have to experience it to understand it. I took mushrooms for therapeutic reasons, and I've always looked at any type of ancient homeopathic medicine as just that. So I'm a little different, but i honestly feel that if you love God in your heart than mushrooms is a gateway to that unseen realm that our consciousness actually resides in. It's not demon voodoo or anything like that. It's probably the most effective medicine on the planet spiritually speaking and you'll only understand that if you try it. God bless
I used to be Christian now I’m an agnostic but this is great I wish Joe could have both sides of watever topic political or religious and clear stuff out or at least gives us another point of view
Would you be willing to do a longer video going through the major parts of this theory showing why they are false. I think it could be really helpful at dispelling this theory.
I thought he did a great job of dispelling the theory between two people who already understand the theory fully, but it would have been nice to hear a more in depth explanation the theory itself.
If you watch Joe Rogan’s RUclips channel on the subject. It has to do with a red mushrooms with white dots on top. 🍄 That springs from it Santa Claus 🎅. In the same area where these mushrooms grow are reindeers. It’s more of christmas theme story, than the typical Jesus he explains in the video. I have not read the book, even though I had purchased it after watching his video on the subject. I do that sometimes. I’ll now have to read it.
@@Mutantcy1992 No one forced me to respond (so i must have wanted to respond) I answered your question what is the problem? Is it because i didn't make a claim that you could argue? Either that or laziness is the only reason i can see to take issue with the response given.
Interesting that psychedelic mushrooms were the craze of the 1960s …at the height of when Allegro started to write about this stuff…hmmmm, coincidence?
well, what do you say about the rig vedas and their drink soma? main stream schoolars are not even debating that it isn't a drug. I guess someone is new to the subject?
Born from a virgin who got impregnated by an angel. Sounds very much like a real human being. Also we are supposed to eat his flesh and drink his blood? come on man. It's symbolic! .This isn't even Christian, this occur a lot in Greek mythology which allegro was onto. Christianity took of where Hellenism died. Also more ore less every founding fathers of the Christianity or pope, was either Greek-speaking or had a relative who was from Greek. The scriptures where never intended to be literal. If you dug any deeper into ancient Greek, you would know that the Greeks used drugs. Their spiritual center was called Eleusis, which sort of was like their Vatican. Many famous people from ancient Greece has been there, like Plato, Archimedes and Marcus Aurelius, they went there to experience an once in life time experience, which they got from drinking a beverage that gave profound visions. We know today that it was some sort of mixed wine and beer drink, spiked with ergot fungi. Wine is the Dionysus god of Greek. Beer is grain god, Demeter. The holy communion is not far from being beer and wine, since beer is more or less bread. Christianity was also an illegal cult until I think 300 Ad or something, Constantine made it to the head religion of Rome. You even have your American hero Martin Luther king scratching this topic with his essay ""The Influence of the Mystery Religions on Christianity". You have something like the Gnostic who apparently drank the eucharist in the wrong way according to the popes. I just think it is safe to say that something was going on in the early days of Christianity.
Any true intellectual wouldn't dismiss Allegro's work so quickly. You mentioned nothing of the paintings depicting people catching mushrooms falling from the heavens in baskets, you also failed to mention the stained glass art of mushrooms found in old churches. To completely dismiss the chance that psychedelics did play a part in the start of religion seems a bit hasty, especially when the fungi appear on every major continent, except Antarctica. There are over 50 known species, it's found in animal dung and tribal people used to follow cows/buffalo (really any large grazing mammal) for food. Seems very likely that these have been consumed for a long time. Especially when you consider we KNOW tribes used ayahuasca which is a mixture of two plants. It's crazy to think that it was discovered by accident, but it was, and if they discovered that I'm sure they discovered magic mushrooms, which are a one step process.
@@razoredge6130 I can send you the entire nearly 20 years of research into the topic, I was just mentioning one thing. There was also a chalice found with ergot alkaloids on the walls of it.
Please look into Elleusis and the significantly more relevant findings on psychedelics and early Christians in Greece. All respect to you and your work brother 🙏
@@eskilheggenstarheim8893 😄 that’s why I’m suspicious of those who say they don’t, or nobody should, have a bias… granted I can’t remember exactly what I was thinking when I left first comment a year ago 😅
I wonder if this is the new "Jesus myth theory," a crazy idea that scholars don't even bother addressing, but still shows up online. BTW, I just now realized you have a RUclips channel. Subscribed!
@ 2:20 "A crazy theory from a book written 50 years ago" .....Are you kidding me!? how is the theory you believe from a book written 2000 years ago any more credible?
Have any of y’all ever had a psychedelic experience? I am sure it raises alarms as well as some eye brows. How can you experience god from a drug? It would just be you being high. But you always fear what you dont under and you will never understand what you don’t experience.
Exactly, I would like Wes to address this. This video doesn’t really dispel any of the major links to mushrooms outside of interpretations of some entomology.
Joe Rogan is trying to explain the logical reason behind the religion, nobody actually knows, what exactly happened in those times...whatever Allegro says might be half true...they would have been tripped and see God and they would have thought shrooms were Jesus...the story looks more convincing...
What’s ironic is this book is infamous for being literally terrible by quite literally >99% (truly all) historian experts. I mean just go read it and you’ll understand. Historians have already rebuked and rejected this book… idk how it gets talked about still.
2:20 LOL. The irony of this statement, coming from someone defending crazy (mushroom-fertility cult-inspired) theories from a book written 2000 years ago.
Wouldn't proponents says the fallacy is being represented the wrong direction? I believe they would argue that the understood meaning of the words was as mushroom and fertility rituals at creation of the stories, as demonstrated by summarian texts (assuming that's true, like Huff did; i honestly have no idea, just talking logic); then, the language morphed to extend the terms and change the stories; but christians fallacious apply a modern meaning of the words retroactively to say that original meaning never contextually existed at all- Christianity wasn't started by shrooms. I think proponents would say Huff strawmanned a position which doesn't recognize the meaning changed, when the real argument is about original meaning, it obviously changed.
Psychedelics have brought me to Christianity and startet my Spiritual Awakening so its pretty understandable that other people have similiar expieriences. I wanted to buy the book myself but thanks god i dont need to.
as a German Biologist and Pythagorean - The difficulty in Study of any “Science” is - that we are conditioned with local language - as we grow up - and scientific language - that MUST be “syn Thetic” - to exclude pre Judices and Associations. This happened in a Religious , sacred con Text - as the sacred is apart from the ordinairy day Life. The Priest is a sort of “Magician” - “Shaman” - with super natural “Powers”. before any In Scriptions, Images - there were oral traditions - where language is even more complicated - as expressions may have changed over Generations. In my view - this is an impossible task to ever to untangle. Even worse - we create a synthetic Techno Sphere - where all connections to Nature are destroyed. We become part of the Robot World - which is void and empty - so there is no connection of meaning anymore. Then any “Theory” becomes part of entertainment. My son has not the faintest idea - nor interest of my Youth, my parents - all boring to him. Withing 1 generation - an entire history can become lost. “The World of Yesterday” - Stefan Zweig. Who reads that. What for... The amazing internal world of the past is inaccessible - for even the wisest Scholar.
Right? Like to any Christian arguing against this do you not realize that this is on your side? its literally an agnostic trying to make sense of a bible in a way that is actually logical....
Bro read the Bible and it was too much for him 😂😂😂. (Just kidding I know you didn't.) You can read a kids version, or there's even a comics one for you to start off easy.
I’m something of an apologist and I’ve never heard of this one. Not sure how I missed it as I love looking into the Dead Sea scrolls but I’m glad I watched this and now I’m going to have to read that guys book too.
His the only person translate the Dead Sea scrolls. Well the first person to translate it. The 2nd person to translate it actually became an agnostic after translating 5 years later. This video his a massive hit piece. Allegro with BBC film crew couldn’t find any scholar to challenge him. The BBC was forced not show the documentary
Doesn't surprise me at all! Just the ideas, stories, sexism and slavery these all drew huge red flags at a extremely young age.. don't get me started on the where did god come from question! Lol
Honestly think psychedelics were of importance in founding the religion, like come on Moses talking to a burnung bush for the 10 commandments sounds exactly like a trip. I also suspect Christianity was evolved from pagan religions, look how Eostre evolved from pagan celebrations to Easter by Saxons embracing Christianity but importing old religions into it.
Thank you for addressing this. I found this after listening to a JRE podcast. As skeptical as Joe tries to be before believing something, I don't understand why he believes this one crazy one-off theory that no other scholars stand behind.
it is because schoolars are most often law abiding geeks who would not murder another human being because it is illegal and not because it is wrong. Jokes a side. Schoolars are nerds and the very opposite of many who has taken drugs, most people tried drugs are regular human beings, but some are deffinitely great fuck ups. You can't say that about schooolars, they have evrything in order. So they do not like the idea that the origins of religion started from something as simple as from a psychoactive plant. Everyone who tried a powerfull psychdelic once kinda gets it thou' and those who haven't will fill their senteced with big words, holy saints, and precise dates.
If I remember Joe’s video on the book, it’s not actually about Jesus. It’s about Santa, 🎅 the mushrooms are red with white dots 🍄 and the area has reindeer. It’s an interesting story Joe explains about the book.
Lol, I take your point. Unlike Allegro's book the Bible has the benefit of historical corroboration and verisimilitude. My criticism wasn't merely the accusation but the fact that no one in any department of antiquity studies, archaeology, or linguistics at any accredited institution on the planet will be teaching from The Sacred Mushroom as a reliable source (other than a potential example of faulty methodology). On the flip side, I don't know of any scholar from said aforementioned departments who don't utilize the 66 independent books we call the Bible in extensive capacities. After all, they represent the widest collection of historically attested sources within all of antiquity.
Then why doesn't the Bible mention shrooms even once if it was central to early Christianity? Why is pharmakeia (sorcery, often involving drugs) condemned over and over and over? Why did Jesus say, "I have not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill." if he meant for people to disobey Moses and engage in paganism? What is going on?
Dear Wes i want to ask you simple questions 1. Do you believe the bible god is accurate (old testament and new testament) 2. Do you believe the bible is original and is not a derivative of ancient books
@@ResidentStump have you ever read the Bible? How consistent it is across centuries of different writers? Not to mention how skillfully written.. not to mention fulfilled prophecies In my opinion magic mushrooms is a rather poor explaination.
@@peters6345 Yes I have. A couple of stories stand out when people reference indirect communication with God or angels (outside a context of prayer). But no, the Bible is not consistently written throughout centuries. At all. Through many translations and revisions I think certain language may be made more consistent but I was only familiar with 2-3 versions growing up. If you don't think anyone ever took any drugs either purposefully or accidently I would say perhaps you're closing youself off to some possibilities. The stuff discussed in the video I dunno but *shrug*
@@ResidentStump can you explain what you find inconsistent? You know the Bible speaks out against misuse of alcohol? and drug use would be considered sorcery which is forbidden. Some of these prophets where put in dungeons or killed for speaking consistently of their visions and messages, to their own peril. These people believed God enough to put their necks out, you reckon they'd use means forbidden by God to get these visions? People in the Bible often asked for confirmation from God before acting/believing a vision. Furthermore things like destruction of Jerusalem came true in the old testament, similarly Jesus's prophecy about the fall of Jerusalem. Many more, like Daniel's prophecies I would argue if you aren't considering the Bible is from God, and closing yourself off. It's hard to convince people but God us real
I don't know if we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. Rejecting his more outrageous claims doesn't necessitate rejecting the place of psychedelics in the development of Christianity.
I'm assuming you're one to mushroomise now and then. Common Jewish fishermen and citizens as well as the greatest Name to grace the earth weren't into your erratic lifestyle mate.
I caught one of joe Rohan’s shows which brought me onto this, it would sort of make more sense though as someone who does not believe in god being some ethereal being rather a explanation of what happened to someone under the influence. How many times have people published their experiences in modern times of those drugs as visiting another plain of existence, but now we understand it as the chemical effects on the brain. It is a very interesting topic to discuss
Have you tried a Psychedelic substance and seeing what your experience was? I’ve never tried it but if you were going to talk against this you may want to. That way you have the perspective to back your statements.
Which scholar in Allegro’s time debunked his claim? I’ve read Allegro’s daughter’s book (John Marco Allegro: The Maverick of the Dead Sea Scrolls) and Jan Irvin’s book (The Holy Mushroom), and I’ve also spent hours looking into the works of the other scholars on the international team Allegro was assigned to for the purpose of deciphering the DSS, but I have yet to find where a scholar in his time who was a philologist in that field of study who could objectively explain in detail how he was completely inaccurate, especially from an individual that wasn’t a Christian themself. I’m open to reading sources if anyone wouldn’t mind sharing some.
Nearly all of his colleagues on the original DSS editorial team in the 1950s - pick one. John Allegro estranged himself from all his colleagues in that camp. His publication of the Copper Scroll was severely criticized by his team leader, Roland de Vaux of École Biblique et Archaéologique Français, Jerusalem. The rest of his research compatriots bemoaned the fact that Allegro would constantly go on public record making outlandish interpretations of the Scrolls, which were promptly disavowed by his Qumran colleagues as the evidence never seemed to march his conclusions. de Vaux and others were very public about the nonsensical linguistics used in Sacred Mushroom. His later publication of some of the Pesharîm from Cave 4 (1968) was likewise scathingly reviewed by John Strugnell of Duke University due to it capitalizing on sensationalism rather than the data. By the time Allegro got around to publishing The Sacred Mushroom there was little left of his academic career, he’d distanced himself from every academic researcher and institution by then and his theories had drifted further and further away from anything resembling formal academic research.
Great video! There's another book in this vein called The Psychedelic Gospels that I would love to hear your take on. The authors traveled around the world and looked at lots of ancient Christian art that seems to depict psychedelic mushrooms (you showed one such piece in this video).
@@Meangirl22 You don't mean THE Truth. You mean YOUR truth. You'll buy what ever supports what YOU desire. Not what Truth demands of you. If the eyes of your heart where truly open, you'd know what I mean. I am under no pressure to convince you. That will need to be an act of God. Are you willing and ready? Reply back when you find out.
@@cowboy7x I recommend you to eat the food of god if you are so brave., You can just eat a few fly agaric outside. Lucky for you it is not illegal. somehow we just inherited the wisdom of it being highly toxic..lol, there are still siberians shamans eating these raw today. But if you wanna be carefull, dry it, and make a tea of it. rememeber it is not illeagal, so it helps you to think what is right or wrong, right? Cause hey! we all don't murder people becuase it's wrong? it is because it is illegal :) So here we go. Go out find a few amantia muscarias. I recommend 5 g, dried, but for you, you should probably take 30. you can't die from it, people have already tried that. also a wide spread myth. And then you come here to reply and compare if youcame closer to god reading gods book or actually eating his food.
If I were god I would let the fate of humanity’s eternal existence hinge on a 2k year old book that no one can agreed on, seems like the logical omniscient thing to do.
Jesus Christ went to the cross and now lives to set sinful you free from death and hell. Repent and turn your heart to Him before it’s too late. Say yes!
Some people try to think of anything to discredited Christ, now it's the sroom theory??? Through put the bible you can see Christ even with Issic that was a grown man by the way where God said stop i myself will provide, then a ram with his head stuck in the thickens was pervided where the same place Christ willingly was the Lamb of the world that God himself pervided himself showing his love for us! Even in genesis 5 the name meanings in order mean" Man appointed mortal sorrow but thee blessed GOD shall come down teaching his death shall bring the sick mankind/sinful man/desparing rest and comfort"!!! Beginning to end Christ/GOD is there of the redemption story from the start.
Great video. A brief constructive criticism. It would have been helpful to have some examples of, say, the etymological fallacy, or examples of how Allegro claims that this is the case in, say, the name of Christ (how he connects it to the sumarian, and then the mushroom thing).
I have Allegro's book, I feel he is right on many points, but like Von Doniken and Graham Hancock main stream 'authorities ' will not see the evidence before their eyes
From a Psychological perspective, it is fascinating in these clips how frequently Joe Rogan’s EYES are CLOSED or averted when he’s bringing this topic up. Interrogation techniques often look at this as an unconscious “tell” indicating someone is lying or being deceptive. 😳
We need to get Wes on the Joe Rogan show. Someone needs to clear up all of that ahistorical, Billy Carson, Ancient Aliens confusion for Joe. I think Wes is the perfect guy to do it.
After demolishing Billy and all the meltdown that Billy did there is a chance that he can go to Rogan
That would be great due to Rogan's reach, but I think Rogan's purpose is to misled people, so I doubt he'd have Wes on. You never know...
You guys assume that Rogan is a good honest person. He’s not. He’s a very powerful actor with rich and powerful people behind the crafting of his guests, edits, and messages.
@@daniellamar9919 I agree, if he has that huge of an audience, he likely serves the god of this world. There are past pictures of him with Anton LaVey (Church of Satan.)
@@daniellamar9919 First of all, I don't assume that anyone is good. I know that no one is. That's why we all need Christ. Second of all, stop eating paste.
Joe Rogan would be a Christian if it was actually built on using psychedelics.
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rogan would be christian if he wasnt a shill like bill hicks
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@@Plisken65 hes still trying to be a comedian. you seen his new stage name? that guy is a trip.
It makes total sense. Everybody that has done psychedelics try to explain it to people that haven’t done it. This would be a great way.
-Be sober.
-Nah bro eat shrooms.
-Said no one in the Bible ever
Jesus fasted in order to access his natural DMT after he got baptized.
@@luisgutierrez7619 where does this information come from?
@@luisgutierrez7619 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 please do that also ; fast and use [ DMT ] power to ressurect people from dead ; or cure diseases ; please do that; and then teach us how to do that you pagan nature worshipper 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jamesmoore464 well prayer and supplication implies this. Also a man with several demons could only be driven from the discipleship _after_ they applied this principle
Jesus did not take his ministry into the fullness until he was transfigured which you would kind of assume was turning the key to the human limits. All this was after he was baptized, claimed to be the son of God, and was tempted to turn stones into bread in the wilderness for 40 days
This isn't Nacho Libre wilderness where your friends can see you camping some 40 yards from town. This is like uncharted wilderness where people sent lepers a tossed out their dead before hastily rushing back to the camp of civilized life
@@ramblincapuchin9075 how does prayer and supplication imply this? Supplication means humility, to put it simply. I’m not sure what verse you’re meaning, when you say that is the only way a man with several demons could be driven from the discipleship. There is a verse where Jesus heals a boy and says “this kind of demon can only be driven out by prayer”.
What do you mean he didn’t take his ministry into fullness until after he was transfigured? His ministry lasted three years. He was crucified within a month of the transfiguration. The transfiguration was at the end of his ministry.
He wasn’t baptized then tempted for 40 days. He was baptized, then went into the wilderness and fasted for forty days. Then he was tempted. 2 of the 3 temptation stories are not set in the wilderness.
Also, all throughout his ministry he’s telling people and demons to keep quiet about being the son of the most high.
Furthermore, the Jews didn’t dump their dead relatives in the wilderness. They buried them in tombs and so on. Lepers didn’t live out in the desert. They lived on the outskirts of civilization, because they had to remain 4-6 cubics away from health people.
Again I ask, where does this information come from? You can literally download the Bible app and cross reference everything I said. Whoever is teaching y’all this stuff hasn’t even bothered to read the stories.
I wonder why Joe never invites people like WLC, Frank Turek, John Lenox or even a normal pastor like John McArthur. Yet he's more than happy too invite Atheist on too talk smack about God and Christianity.
Sadly, I suspect that he thinks those people aren’t genuine.
I agree, I used to watch him constantly, coincidently a couple of days ago I saw a RUclips recommendation video pointing out this same thing, an old video of him emotionally frustrated while bashing Christianity, it was stupid and people believing a myth and all that. Which is nonsense coming from him, to me it felt like he felt something in specific towards Christianity, yesterday then I saw picture of a now deleted post on Instagram, outlandishly mocking Christ in the cross, I could not let that pass so I hit unfollow. Hopefully Joe has a change of heart. I’m sure he strives to be a good man. I hope he meets Christ.
Probably because sinners love their sin, so anyone willing to honestly shed light on sin isn't going to be very welcome. It's really too bad, because imagine Joe's reach if he were ever to find saving faith in Christ.
@@ohrl1146 yes, he always comes off as open minded on most things but when it comes to Christianity he seems detest it and closed minded too it, even the name Jesus alone makes some people squirm in anger, but Jesus said it would be like this they hated him, they'll hate us.
It’s called confirmation bias
Joe Rogan never met a conspiracy theory he didn't like...
To be fair, me either, even if most of them turn out to be nonsense. Official narrative is most often based on complete horse manure. Once you discover that fact, it's hard not to take at least an interest in conspiracy theories.
@@jdm11060 we enjoy them because they hint at an underlying spiritual truth I think . The biggest conspiracy is that Satan does not want you to seek God.
Bring up the conspiracy theory that universities are brainwashing kids with the theory of evolution. Guarantee he'd freak.
I think he went off on eddie bravo about believing in flat earth once.
Well, he is Alex nutbag Jones good buddy...
The New Age is dominating this topic and we need more apologists providing an alternative narrative to point people back to the truth.
I couldn't agree more! But it can't be through a complete rejection of psychedelics and "mystical experience". Too many pastors are scared to talk about this topic but I think its because they're so over saturated with the naturalist and new age ideas on these topics. If you've ever seen Roland Griffiths work he has some remarkable findings on the efficacy of plant induced self reported "mystical experiences" on things like alcoholism, drug addiction, and death anxiety. With some of his patients regarding the experiences as the most profound experiences of their lives after a single dose of these plant based substances. So this is definitely a topic we need to take seriously and the conversation can't just be deny deny deny
Why doesnt this guy go to a Revival deliverance christian church already and show him the power of the holy spirit. Lets see what happens when he brings one of his “Family” or one of his own in the arena of Freedom.
Only proves it "god" Yahweh is an outdated, bronze age war god.
Its the age of Aquarius, lol, pieces is over... The new age is just star alignments. lol. Cant say its not real, its been known for eons. This is how they built all them temples, ya know, that huge one in Egypt right? Kinda hard to miss. What you mean to say is Gnosticism is dominating the subject, but not many know this term, its really funny too, because? Jesus was Gnostic. He taught Gnosis... Now, all one has to do is ASK... and still they do not ever, well, they ask for CASH MONEY! yea and Jesus ignores them for a few more lifetimes of greed. Jesus was never a Christian and when he taught, it was Gnosis.. Gnosis is how to commune with God, so yea, I know because i do it and its simple, its insane how many will run in fear when i say that, but believe a book 2000 years old of a bunch of men who said they could hear God... Well.... Gnosis is how ya do it. lol. Jesus will teach anyone who asks properly.
I am not new age but it helped my mind and helped solidify my faith in Christ
Really interesting. This is why we need apologists
I'm sorry.
@@justincase1919 😂. He means apologetics. It's where you defend your faith.
@@Strongtower
LOL ! I know, i was just kidding.
Apologetics is strictly for keeping Christians in the faith, and is entirely ineffective on the rest of us.
Apologetics is basically how to keep believers docile 101
Just because a scholar is smart doesn't mean he isn't a loon.
I think stupid things when said by intelligent people- are still stupid
@Fisher Man He's not the only one who worked on the dead Sea Scrolls
My grandpa always said “Education does not equate to intelligence”
That and “cats always want to be on the other side of the door”
@Kernowjim nothing you've said regarding history has any evidence.
@Kernowjim And no. Most prophecy about animals and strange things happening has to do with ancient religion and astrology than hallucinations.
Came here from Mike Winger. Not disappointed! 👍🏻👍🏻
Bro people cling to anything that could disprove Christianity it’s so sad
People cling to anything that could prove any religion 😂 it’s all a sham
People cling onto anything that interest them
Says, somebody who clings to a cut-and-paste religion written by bronze-age sheep herders who didn't know where the sun went at night, Too funny!
In the same way u cling to Christianity, with no genuine understanding or interest in any other perspective.
I was just thinking about how people are so against Jesus and Christianity today and that it makes me believe in Jesus more. I think that it’s the devil that places the distain in people.
Thanks to Mike Winger for recommending this video! Great job Wesley Huff!
I’m here because of Mike Winger as well!
Oh, so they are preaching another Christ..what a surprise. It's almost as if Paul wrote about these "scholars."
Amen to that!!!
Who is Paul?
"DOPES IN THE church" linksenterprises.com/dope.html
Wesley this is good stuff. Thanks, brother.
It’s pure false
I had a professor in college who wrote a book that said the same thing. He was probably the craziest professor I've ever had
So many liberal purple hair” I go to school so i am educated” Starbucks sucking people here . Disgusting. Look I have books .
Go do 2 mg shrooms close the lights put earphones and meditation music and tell me you didn’t see God
I don't think he is crazy!
@@imagine_unrealyou’re wrong
Honestly love Wes , but! The golden rule (imo) about the supernatural nature of mushrooms, is that you really do have to experience it to understand it. I took mushrooms for therapeutic reasons, and I've always looked at any type of ancient homeopathic medicine as just that. So I'm a little different, but i honestly feel that if you love God in your heart than mushrooms is a gateway to that unseen realm that our consciousness actually resides in. It's not demon voodoo or anything like that. It's probably the most effective medicine on the planet spiritually speaking and you'll only understand that if you try it. God bless
I used to be Christian now I’m an agnostic but this is great I wish Joe could have both sides of watever topic political or religious and clear stuff out or at least gives us another point of view
Would you be willing to do a longer video going through the major parts of this theory showing why they are false. I think it could be really helpful at dispelling this theory.
I thought he did a great job of dispelling the theory between two people who already understand the theory fully, but it would have been nice to hear a more in depth explanation the theory itself.
If you watch Joe Rogan’s RUclips channel on the subject. It has to do with a red mushrooms with white dots on top. 🍄 That springs from it Santa Claus 🎅. In the same area where these mushrooms grow are reindeers. It’s more of christmas theme story, than the typical Jesus he explains in the video.
I have not read the book, even though I had purchased it after watching his video on the subject. I do that sometimes. I’ll now have to read it.
The OT rules out any theory like this mushroom one and you would think someone who worked on dead sea scrolls may actually know that.
How so?
@@Mutantcy1992 Why believe me when you can look for yourself but if you want a shortcut think patent who came first.
@@hiddenrambo328 If you didn't want to respond, why did you type anything?
@@Mutantcy1992 No one forced me to respond (so i must have wanted to respond) I answered your question what is the problem? Is it because i didn't make a claim that you could argue? Either that or laziness is the only reason i can see to take issue with the response given.
He probably just published his dissertation from a low level school.
Interesting that psychedelic mushrooms were the craze of the 1960s …at the height of when Allegro started to write about this stuff…hmmmm, coincidence?
if you call dmtwasthetreeoflife and burninbush angotta eatabunchofallmeatdiet liftweughts and Arent we ALLJUSTGODS BRO? a coincidence
Absolutely. He worked on it for 14 years.
well, what do you say about the rig vedas and their drink soma? main stream schoolars are not even debating that it isn't a drug. I guess someone is new to the subject?
U do know that that the psychedelic craze was instigated by the FBI, right?
The psychedelic practice goes back millennia. Do some damn research
In order for this theory to work he would have to dismiss the extra biblical accounts of Jesus' existence
Born from a virgin who got impregnated by an angel. Sounds very much like a real human being. Also we are supposed to eat his flesh and drink his blood? come on man. It's symbolic! .This isn't even Christian, this occur a lot in Greek mythology which allegro was onto. Christianity took of where Hellenism died. Also more ore less every founding fathers of the Christianity or pope, was either Greek-speaking or had a relative who was from Greek. The scriptures where never intended to be literal. If you dug any deeper into ancient Greek, you would know that the Greeks used drugs. Their spiritual center was called Eleusis, which sort of was like their Vatican. Many famous people from ancient Greece has been there, like Plato, Archimedes and Marcus Aurelius, they went there to experience an once in life time experience, which they got from drinking a beverage that gave profound visions. We know today that it was some sort of mixed wine and beer drink, spiked with ergot fungi. Wine is the Dionysus god of Greek. Beer is grain god, Demeter. The holy communion is not far from being beer and wine, since beer is more or less bread. Christianity was also an illegal cult until I think 300 Ad or something, Constantine made it to the head religion of Rome. You even have your American hero Martin Luther king scratching this topic with his essay ""The Influence of the Mystery Religions on Christianity". You have something like the Gnostic who apparently drank the eucharist in the wrong way according to the popes. I just think it is safe to say that something was going on in the early days of Christianity.
That's not an arguement
yeah good point. there is one in the greek one. and in Greek mythology it is not that uncommon that a person is also a plant.
"Nonsense is nonsense, even when spoken by famous scientists." - John Lennox
Any true intellectual wouldn't dismiss Allegro's work so quickly. You mentioned nothing of the paintings depicting people catching mushrooms falling from the heavens in baskets, you also failed to mention the stained glass art of mushrooms found in old churches. To completely dismiss the chance that psychedelics did play a part in the start of religion seems a bit hasty, especially when the fungi appear on every major continent, except Antarctica. There are over 50 known species, it's found in animal dung and tribal people used to follow cows/buffalo (really any large grazing mammal) for food. Seems very likely that these have been consumed for a long time. Especially when you consider we KNOW tribes used ayahuasca which is a mixture of two plants. It's crazy to think that it was discovered by accident, but it was, and if they discovered that I'm sure they discovered magic mushrooms, which are a one step process.
He never said psychedelics didn't have a part in religion just not in Christianity.
@@razoredge6130 but he mentions the “Christian cult” that uses psychedelics?
@@SerratedPVP Christian cult =/= Christianity
@@SerratedPVP also it's a stretch to say that since early churches used mushrooms in images, that means mushrooms were the origin of Christianity
@@razoredge6130 I can send you the entire nearly 20 years of research into the topic, I was just mentioning one thing. There was also a chalice found with ergot alkaloids on the walls of it.
Came here via Mike Winger;)
Please look into Elleusis and the significantly more relevant findings on psychedelics and early Christians in Greece. All respect to you and your work brother 🙏
It’s so hard to believe that Joe “have you tried DMT” Rogan might have a bias on this subject
Hard to believe that christians might have a bias on this subject aswell?
@@eskilheggenstarheim8893 sounds like you have a bias 😉
@@younggrasshopper3531 Everybody got a bias which ever way you flip it🤷🏽♂️😉
@@eskilheggenstarheim8893 😄 that’s why I’m suspicious of those who say they don’t, or nobody should, have a bias… granted I can’t remember exactly what I was thinking when I left first comment a year ago 😅
Joe Rogan is burned out, too many people think he is smart but he has been burned out for years.
He probably should read the Bible as well as the historical evidence of Jesus Christ before spouting nonsense.
As long as you believe, that is all that matters.
Joe Rogan should have you on the podcast but subconsciously he hates truth.
I wonder if this is the new "Jesus myth theory," a crazy idea that scholars don't even bother addressing, but still shows up online. BTW, I just now realized you have a RUclips channel. Subscribed!
@ 2:20 "A crazy theory from a book written 50 years ago" .....Are you kidding me!? how is the theory you believe from a book written 2000 years ago any more credible?
Have any of y’all ever had a psychedelic experience? I am sure it raises alarms as well as some eye brows. How can you experience god from a drug? It would just be you being high. But you always fear what you dont under and you will never understand what you don’t experience.
Yeah idk I've had many psychedelic experiences and never once thought the whole earth was flooded..
They didn't have Pink Floyd. Likely not even a wall to put another brick in. . .
It’s interesting that there is so much mushroom art in the Vatican cathedrals, and that the Catholic outfits look like mushrooms etc…
Exactly, I would like Wes to address this. This video doesn’t really dispel any of the major links to mushrooms outside of interpretations of some entomology.
Don't often see another Wesley. Nice video.
What about in the Princess Bride?
@@Mutantcy1992 Yeah, but it's spelled differently.
@@Mutantcy1992 Westley*
@@wesleycolemanmusic That was a test and you passed. Have fun storming the castle!
@@Mutantcy1992 Think it'll work?
We must pray for Joe Rogan's salvation. Lord only you can open this man's eyes. And so many that have set him up as an idol.in Jesus name.
Joe Rogan is trying to explain the logical reason behind the religion, nobody actually knows, what exactly happened in those times...whatever Allegro says might be half true...they would have been tripped and see God and they would have thought shrooms were Jesus...the story looks more convincing...
Fasting and prayer is how the apostles and disciples got closer to God, similarly to a psychedelic trip but not in a chesting type of way.
A books accuracy doesn't equal its utility.
Curious to know how many here who are dismissive have actually taken part in the experience?
Very nicely put. Keep it going!
Hey Weslehuff Huff. Just discovered your channel and I'm thankful I did! Keep up the good work. :)
I CAN'T WAIT TO WAKE UP TOMORROW MORNING AND TELL MY WIFE SHE LOOKS AWFUL!!
🤣🤣
I'm a hindu and I really appreciated this video !
What’s ironic is this book is infamous for being literally terrible by quite literally >99% (truly all) historian experts. I mean just go read it and you’ll understand. Historians have already rebuked and rejected this book… idk how it gets talked about still.
I actually found it to be a fascinating book.
"Crazy theory in a book published 50 years ago" could be swapped with
"Crazy theory in the Bible written over 2000 years ago"
Nice backdrop!
Discuss the word virgin in virgin mary is a mistranslation.
Right buddy, we'll get back to you.
2:20
LOL. The irony of this statement, coming from someone defending crazy (mushroom-fertility cult-inspired) theories from a book written 2000 years ago.
Wouldn't proponents says the fallacy is being represented the wrong direction?
I believe they would argue that the understood meaning of the words was as mushroom and fertility rituals at creation of the stories, as demonstrated by summarian texts (assuming that's true, like Huff did; i honestly have no idea, just talking logic); then, the language morphed to extend the terms and change the stories; but christians fallacious apply a modern meaning of the words retroactively to say that original meaning never contextually existed at all- Christianity wasn't started by shrooms.
I think proponents would say Huff strawmanned a position which doesn't recognize the meaning changed, when the real argument is about original meaning, it obviously changed.
Psychedelics have brought me to Christianity and startet my Spiritual Awakening so its pretty understandable that other people have similiar expieriences. I wanted to buy the book myself but thanks god i dont need to.
as a German Biologist and Pythagorean - The difficulty in Study of any “Science” is - that we are conditioned with local language - as we grow up - and scientific language - that MUST be “syn Thetic” - to exclude pre Judices and Associations. This happened in a Religious , sacred con Text - as the sacred is apart from the ordinairy day Life. The Priest is a sort of “Magician” - “Shaman” - with super natural “Powers”. before any In Scriptions, Images - there were oral traditions - where language is even more complicated - as expressions may have changed over Generations. In my view - this is an impossible task to ever to untangle. Even worse - we create a synthetic Techno Sphere - where all connections to Nature are destroyed. We become part of the Robot World - which is void and empty - so there is no connection of meaning anymore. Then any “Theory” becomes part of entertainment. My son has not the faintest idea - nor interest of my Youth, my parents - all boring to him. Withing 1 generation - an entire history can become lost. “The World of Yesterday” - Stefan Zweig. Who reads that. What for... The amazing internal world of the past is inaccessible - for even the wisest Scholar.
Sounds like a man that has never done mushrooms.
I’m a hardcore Christian that has done psychedelics and completely regrets it, they are a tool of Satan.
"I'm right and he's wrong"
-someone who really wants to be right
John Marco Allegro makes more sense than most of the bible.
Right? Like to any Christian arguing against this do you not realize that this is on your side? its literally an agnostic trying to make sense of a bible in a way that is actually logical....
To an ignorant person for sure
Bro read the Bible and it was too much for him 😂😂😂. (Just kidding I know you didn't.) You can read a kids version, or there's even a comics one for you to start off easy.
I’m something of an apologist and I’ve never heard of this one. Not sure how I missed it as I love looking into the Dead Sea scrolls but I’m glad I watched this and now I’m going to have to read that guys book too.
His the only person translate the Dead Sea scrolls. Well the first person to translate it. The 2nd person to translate it actually became an agnostic after translating 5 years later. This video his a massive hit piece. Allegro with BBC film crew couldn’t find any scholar to challenge him. The BBC was forced not show the documentary
@@danamcwhite pretty sure this youtuber hasn't have a psychadelic experience. It's like hearing a virigin talk about sex.
Doesn't surprise me at all! Just the ideas, stories, sexism and slavery these all drew huge red flags at a extremely young age.. don't get me started on the where did god come from question! Lol
Thank you so much for the piece of information
It's not looking good for the mushroom theory, next.
Honestly think psychedelics were of importance in founding the religion, like come on Moses talking to a burnung bush for the 10 commandments sounds exactly like a trip.
I also suspect Christianity was evolved from pagan religions, look how Eostre evolved from pagan celebrations to Easter by Saxons embracing Christianity but importing old religions into it.
Thank you for addressing this. I found this after listening to a JRE podcast. As skeptical as Joe tries to be before believing something, I don't understand why he believes this one crazy one-off theory that no other scholars stand behind.
it is because schoolars are most often law abiding geeks who would not murder another human being because it is illegal and not because it is wrong. Jokes a side. Schoolars are nerds and the very opposite of many who has taken drugs, most people tried drugs are regular human beings, but some are deffinitely great fuck ups. You can't say that about schooolars, they have evrything in order. So they do not like the idea that the origins of religion started from something as simple as from a psychoactive plant. Everyone who tried a powerfull psychdelic once kinda gets it thou' and those who haven't will fill their senteced with big words, holy saints, and precise dates.
People who have never done mushrooms cant really understand it until they do them.
@josephinedollar8817 go away
If I remember Joe’s video on the book, it’s not actually about Jesus. It’s about Santa, 🎅 the mushrooms are red with white dots 🍄 and the area has reindeer. It’s an interesting story Joe explains about the book.
I don't appreciate how Joe doesn't have an array of guests.
Hi, I'm now subscribed.
God bless you brother, thank you, thank you Jesus. 🕊
Maybe you should read The Unseen Realm by Dr. Michael Heiser who is an ancient near east biblical scholar and Semitic languages expert.
Here is an interview I did with Dr. Heiser from a couple weeks back: apologeticscanada.com/2021/07/02/angels-and-demons-an-interview-with-dr-heiser/
@@WesHuff awesome! I met him recently. Cool guy. Really nice
One scholar says it’s mushrooms. Tens of thousands of others say no. I’d rather believe the consensus.
Great video Wesley!
"A CRAZY STORY WRITTEN IN A BOOK 50 YEARS AGO"
....... you realize what you said in defense of the Bible, right?
Lol, I take your point. Unlike Allegro's book the Bible has the benefit of historical corroboration and verisimilitude. My criticism wasn't merely the accusation but the fact that no one in any department of antiquity studies, archaeology, or linguistics at any accredited institution on the planet will be teaching from The Sacred Mushroom as a reliable source (other than a potential example of faulty methodology). On the flip side, I don't know of any scholar from said aforementioned departments who don't utilize the 66 independent books we call the Bible in extensive capacities. After all, they represent the widest collection of historically attested sources within all of antiquity.
See also: the total lack of any mention of mushrooms of any sort in the New Testament.
Then why doesn't the Bible mention shrooms even once if it was central to early Christianity? Why is pharmakeia (sorcery, often involving drugs) condemned over and over and over? Why did Jesus say, "I have not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill." if he meant for people to disobey Moses and engage in paganism? What is going on?
Dear Wes i want to ask you simple questions
1. Do you believe the bible god is accurate (old testament and new testament)
2. Do you believe the bible is original and is not a derivative of ancient books
Calling a theory crazy whilst simultaneously believing in a deity.. 🤯
😐
Weird, a theory that no one else believed… sounds very very familiar
Honestly it makes me angry.. how can people read the Bible and think it's due to mushrooms :/
All of the emotional narratives and fantastic imagery perhaps?
@@ResidentStump have you ever read the Bible? How consistent it is across centuries of different writers?
Not to mention how skillfully written.. not to mention fulfilled prophecies
In my opinion magic mushrooms is a rather poor explaination.
@@peters6345 Yes I have. A couple of stories stand out when people reference indirect communication with God or angels (outside a context of prayer).
But no, the Bible is not consistently written throughout centuries. At all. Through many translations and revisions I think certain language may be made more consistent but I was only familiar with 2-3 versions growing up.
If you don't think anyone ever took any drugs either purposefully or accidently I would say perhaps you're closing youself off to some possibilities. The stuff discussed in the video I dunno but *shrug*
@@ResidentStump can you explain what you find inconsistent?
You know the Bible speaks out against misuse of alcohol? and drug use would be considered sorcery which is forbidden.
Some of these prophets where put in dungeons or killed for speaking consistently of their visions and messages, to their own peril. These people believed God enough to put their necks out, you reckon they'd use means forbidden by God to get these visions?
People in the Bible often asked for confirmation from God before acting/believing a vision.
Furthermore things like destruction of Jerusalem came true in the old testament, similarly Jesus's prophecy about the fall of Jerusalem. Many more, like Daniel's prophecies
I would argue if you aren't considering the Bible is from God, and closing yourself off. It's hard to convince people but God us real
I don't know if we should throw the baby out with the bathwater. Rejecting his more outrageous claims doesn't necessitate rejecting the place of psychedelics in the development of Christianity.
I'm assuming you're one to mushroomise now and then. Common Jewish fishermen and citizens as well as the greatest Name to grace the earth weren't into your erratic lifestyle mate.
The experts said the world is flat. I'll take his advice as truth.
I caught one of joe Rohan’s shows which brought me onto this, it would sort of make more sense though as someone who does not believe in god being some ethereal being rather a explanation of what happened to someone under the influence. How many times have people published their experiences in modern times of those drugs as visiting another plain of existence, but now we understand it as the chemical effects on the brain. It is a very interesting topic to discuss
Have you tried a Psychedelic substance and seeing what your experience was? I’ve never tried it but if you were going to talk against this you may want to. That way you have the perspective to back your statements.
Which scholar in Allegro’s time debunked his claim? I’ve read Allegro’s daughter’s book (John Marco Allegro: The Maverick of the Dead Sea Scrolls) and Jan Irvin’s book (The Holy Mushroom), and I’ve also spent hours looking into the works of the other scholars on the international team Allegro was assigned to for the purpose of deciphering the DSS, but I have yet to find where a scholar in his time who was a philologist in that field of study who could objectively explain in detail how he was completely inaccurate, especially from an individual that wasn’t a Christian themself.
I’m open to reading sources if anyone wouldn’t mind sharing some.
Nearly all of his colleagues on the original DSS editorial team in the 1950s - pick one. John Allegro estranged himself from all his colleagues in that camp. His publication of the Copper Scroll was severely criticized by his team leader, Roland de Vaux of École Biblique et Archaéologique Français, Jerusalem. The rest of his research compatriots bemoaned the fact that Allegro would constantly go on public record making outlandish interpretations of the Scrolls, which were promptly disavowed by his Qumran colleagues as the evidence never seemed to march his conclusions. de Vaux and others were very public about the nonsensical linguistics used in Sacred Mushroom.
His later publication of some of the Pesharîm from Cave 4 (1968) was likewise scathingly reviewed by John Strugnell of Duke University due to it capitalizing on sensationalism rather than the data. By the time Allegro got around to publishing The Sacred Mushroom there was little left of his academic career, he’d distanced himself from every academic researcher and institution by then and his theories had drifted further and further away from anything resembling formal academic research.
@@WesHuff Allegro must have been on shrooms….🤔
3:54 that's because scholars are afraid to go against the Church, lest they would be labelled as "crazy mad people" & you know it very well.
Subbed, very good work.
I well pay to see a debate Wes vs Billy for 3hrs in the Joe Rogan.
Can you do deeper dive on this?
Joe Rogan didn't say it the dead sea scrolls said it. 😁
“Tell me you don’t know anything about the Dead Sea Scrolls without telling me you don’t know anything about the Dead Sea Scrolls.”
@@WesHuff 🤣
@@WesHuff Jesus was a mushroom 🍄 🤣
@@WesHuff tell me you've never taken mushrooms without telling me you've never taken mushrooms. 🤣
Great video! There's another book in this vein called The Psychedelic Gospels that I would love to hear your take on. The authors traveled around the world and looked at lots of ancient Christian art that seems to depict psychedelic mushrooms (you showed one such piece in this video).
Exactly. Mushrooms are ALL THROUGHOUT religious art…. But this guy is obviously not interested in the truth
@@Meangirl22 You don't mean THE Truth. You mean YOUR truth. You'll buy what ever supports what YOU desire. Not what Truth demands of you. If the eyes of your heart where truly open, you'd know what I mean. I am under no pressure to convince you. That will need to be an act of God. Are you willing and ready? Reply back when you find out.
@@cowboy7xsounds exactly like what you’re doing right now.
@@cowboy7x I recommend you to eat the food of god if you are so brave., You can just eat a few fly agaric outside. Lucky for you it is not illegal. somehow we just inherited the wisdom of it being highly toxic..lol, there are still siberians shamans eating these raw today. But if you wanna be carefull, dry it, and make a tea of it. rememeber it is not illeagal, so it helps you to think what is right or wrong, right? Cause hey! we all don't murder people becuase it's wrong? it is because it is illegal :) So here we go. Go out find a few amantia muscarias. I recommend 5 g, dried, but for you, you should probably take 30. you can't die from it, people have already tried that. also a wide spread myth. And then you come here to reply and compare if youcame closer to god reading gods book or actually eating his food.
Looking at the comments and seeing all the Christians hating this makes me want to watch it SO MUCH MORE. 😂👏🏻 **hits “watch later “**
If I were god I would let the fate of humanity’s eternal existence hinge on a 2k year old book that no one can agreed on, seems like the logical omniscient thing to do.
Jesus Christ went to the cross and now lives to set sinful you free from death and hell. Repent and turn your heart to Him before it’s too late. Say yes!
Which interview is this??
I had to watch through your Channel to see where you coming from. 😅😅 Hello Pastor Wes
I would like a more detailed break down of his book, and why it's wrong. You do a great job Wes, but this short one-off, meh. You are above it.
Some people try to think of anything to discredited Christ, now it's the sroom theory??? Through put the bible you can see Christ even with Issic that was a grown man by the way where God said stop i myself will provide, then a ram with his head stuck in the thickens was pervided where the same place Christ willingly was the Lamb of the world that God himself pervided himself showing his love for us! Even in genesis 5 the name meanings in order mean" Man appointed mortal sorrow but thee blessed GOD shall come down teaching his death shall bring the sick mankind/sinful man/desparing rest and comfort"!!! Beginning to end Christ/GOD is there of the redemption story from the start.
How do I become an apologist?
Say you're sorry.
Great video. A brief constructive criticism. It would have been helpful to have some examples of, say, the etymological fallacy, or examples of how Allegro claims that this is the case in, say, the name of Christ (how he connects it to the sumarian, and then the mushroom thing).
That man was reading that for the church and came to that conclusion
I have Allegro's book, I feel he is right on many points, but like Von Doniken and Graham Hancock main stream 'authorities ' will not see the evidence before their eyes
Even if this theory is correct....
These events STILL took place in fulfillment of specific prophecy written of throughout the entire old testament.
Mushrooms made me go towards Christ. They have something to do with life, experience or religion in some regard that is forsure
From a Psychological perspective, it is fascinating in these clips how frequently Joe Rogan’s EYES are CLOSED or averted when he’s bringing this topic up. Interrogation techniques often look at this as an unconscious “tell” indicating someone is lying or being deceptive. 😳
🤣 you are grasping at straws
Absolutely. The woman just can’t come to terms with her beloved mythical sky daddy story being pure fiction.
To be honest this theory seems more likely then how we interpretate the Bible today
😭 it's ok Christians take mushrooms and you will understand. Unlike most of you I've tried both Christianity and mushrooms. 💙✌🏽😁