Why Is Nobody Playing WoW: Dragonflight?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
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I can’t tell what the heck is even happening in matches anymore . 18 health bars for players minions totems summoned pets . . . Tracking 40 CDs . . It’s just out of control . I basically get my eyes blasted with 800,000 flashing pixels and find myself being trying to understand what’s happening over actually playing the game .
Game needs a hard reset . Just is what it is .
Get rid of the imp health bars you need to run an addon to fix that one that might work would be "advanced interface options" from curseforge
Remove "minors" as a nameplate. You have a hard reset, its called classic.
Whata are u even complaining about man.. turn that shit off. So sick of listening to people butch about things that actually don't matter
I mean thats what classic is. I do agree the game is a bit of a cluster fuck though. Still i have fun with it, don't really take it seriously anymore and play with friends
I kinda agree with you, but the fact that there are pros who do understand what's going on makes me think that it's just that we are old and can't dedicate that much time to understand it, rather than being a bad design.
Venruki nailed it on the head. Once I hit 1800 in arena, like a ghost in StarCraft 2 “I’m gone”
same, 2100 and im omw to the mount in mplus, after that its 0 care for pushing.
Snap, 3k m+ and I hit 1800pvp today and I just unsubbed, he's so right
Pretty much me once I hit 2500 in M+ for the season I’m out.
Elite set should bare minimum be 2400. Elite set should be 2400, Enchant should be 2700, Glad/tabard should be 3000
@@prod7906 cater to the top 1%.. I agree there should be more rewards and challenges for pvp.. theybhabebt added shit in a long time
I’ve played against many streamers, including you several times. And of the 5 times I’ve faced you this season, all 5 times your viewers have messaged me to tell me to quit and that I’m garbage. This toxicity is also part of why people are quitting. I brought it up in your stream twice. Both times you brushed it off and almost encouraged the behavior. It’s turned me off of you as a streamer and as a wow partner.
True, wow has pretty much the most toxic mmo community along side Lost Ark.
I'd love to play wow pvp, but this time around I just gave up because of the 9000 mandatory addons you need to compete. Always feels like I'm watching the UI constantly trying to keep up with whatever cds people have and have not used yet. Just not any fun.
In my case it comes down to I'm an older man now almost 30 with alot of responsibilities. The time investment required for me to enjoy my time with wow is too high a price for me to pay and I enjoy other games more. When I was young I could play 12+ hours and it was a blast, now it feels like an added stressor in my life trying to do my keep up or catch up mechanic
which other games you play? I do pvp SS, doesnt take much time tbh
@@gaminggotreal9291I play rocket league, and while it's not a big deal, gearing for PvP takes multiple days when it could just be 450. Meanwhile I just log onto rocket league and play.
I agree bro. I’m in my mid 40’s and just play reg bgs & epics for fun. I typically can top the healing charts & I’m almost top 500 for world hks. Just let the casuals play the game; in needs to be simplified to encourage pvp growth & player retention. I could care less about rated pvp & there are many in the same boat (I’d love to know the % of pvp’ers that don’t bother with rated pvp).
@@gaminggotreal92911 hour queues kek ?
ye man..at 30 also..years ago i was blasting m+ on 3,3+ rio and was having fun..now i que few times in week and everyone wants geared meta class so i sit 2 hours in que to do 1 keys
I quit 2 weeks ago, the pvp dev team, isn’t doing a good job. Sorry blizzard but hire active pvp players instead of mobile game developers or some guys just because of their computer science degree.
we believe you bro
They did hire active pvp players btw
Same here, quit 3 weeks ago, one of my friends quit 2 weeks before that, we just couldn’t climb to the rating we were used to, nothing felt rewarding, reaching high rating in SS but sucking in 3v3 just doesn’t feel right.
Where did you go to play something similar by chance? Asking for a friend...
@@ItsAllCulturalMarxism Sadly there is no real true alternative to wow pvp. games like mobas/rpgs somewhat simulate it though. I always go back to dota 2 personally. game is still great and has devs that actually understand the game or at least try to make good changes. its very complex like wow pvp but it doesnt require 30+ binds and 5 different 3rd party addons
im tired of grinding time gated shit and playing by myself bro, i dont know about others, but thats me. 100%
Amen 🙏🏽
Venruki, at 13;51 time stamp you talking about, people being comfortable, cleaning heroic and "ok im done", or getting 1800 rating in pvp and than "im done". you said it's something that they feel is easy to achieve for them. Tell me please, how many people in season 2 dragonflight got 1800 in PVP. 10%? 15%? from total player base. something like 1800 should be achievable by 50% of player base. a happy median. so is heroic raid. specifically for season 2, i took 5 toons to 1800 (plan to do 2 more). you probably did more and took them, higher, but, didn't you notice that average joes are boiling in 1200-1600 rating cauldron? they get no rewards there, only crap off pieces mogs, that no one care about anyways. And people who play at 1800+, they are by no means average, every other shuffle lobby i see dudes pulling out glad mounts from previous expacks. Also why i mention average joes so much, that's because they are the ones who are a majority and generally if retained properly keep player pool healthy. games can't run just off 5% sweaty nerds. this is how wild star died back in the days.
Yeah agreed, the overwhelming majority will be 1300-1500, that's how ELO median works, love Ven, but I don't think he realises his small social group of ubar glads overfished the waters and are now wondering where all the fish went. Rated system just needs to go or be invisible and not linked to anything rewarding, rich getting richer designs are great for the few, but suck for the many.
Rival is top 30% or 70th percentile last season and I believe right now it’s top 25%. That’s among COMBATANTS in rated. God knows among rated and unrelated
The reason why I quit WoW was because things were changed or added way to fast to keep up with. I’m a dad, husband, full time worker and I don’t have to many hours playing. I really enjoy WoW, but trying to watch videos or read forums on the latest classes I played (resto Druid/arms warrior) became to much. After a while there was a sense of anxiety in a way that I wasn’t up to date with the latest and greatest information. I still watch videos and Twitch streamers, but the thought of me starting again… hell no.
You gotta spend more time watching guides to learn the dungeons and raids than actually playing them. F that.
I like PvP in WoW. I play it just for fun on both Classic Era and Retail. However, I never liked arena or small scale that I just hop in and get the 1800 armor set and never queue again. I like larger fights, MMO fights. In such fights, melees can't function without a healer and ranged are too tanky. Healers outside of arenas are freakin' immortal, and make everyone near them immortal. Classic Era and Wrath have much better large scale fights and melee/ranged balance in large fights.
I want to play WoW, but I have no time to play it. Too much work and tired. 😩
Same with pvp.
Tired of queues and meta. I just wanna log in, talk to some friends make a group and go wpvp arround finding non scripted content. Who cares if you are playing the flavor of the month spec, just let me pvp. World pvp needs more love. They keep ignoring the fact that this is an MMORPG the reason people are not playing anymore is that all their friends are gone. MMO's need the people.
We need non instansed content, fuck queues and elitism i just wanna pvp and drop people mid flight with my "net" toys laugh about it with my friends on discord. I wanna join a big raid. invade the oposite faction cities/towns and be able to progress my character HAVING FUN, like.... THIS IS A GAME for gods sake. Reward people having fun Blizzard. Elitists are mad all the time and they are the focus of the company. Ridiculous.
Btw, I would be more than happy to watch a 1-2 hour podcast episode about the state of wow pvp, (e.g. once a month) hosted by wow pvp top-tier players. I would think that it might also have an impact on game design in general, as more experienced players would be able to brainstorm together. Of course, less experienced players should also be taken into account, so that the possible following changes would be pleasant for everyone. Just a tip, no pressure.
top tier players are always the same ppl..they always plays whats meta..so it doesnt matter whats state of pvp..if some class are broken..they play them.
Who are the notable pvpers in wow today?
@@TheOaxOaxOaxthis is your opinion, now we want top pvp also
the m+ class balance issue is egregious, i'm surprised how hard they stepped on the ball after being pretty good at balance in s1. the comp is so broken even after THREE WAVES OF MASSIVE NERFS to it, it's STILL the bis comp
im gunna quit if they nerf holy paladin anymore in raids lol. I really dont care much about m+ and have gone to 4-5 ranked healer in raids with the worst high end potential at rank 7. yeah I have aura mastery and devotion aura but to have m+ effecting gameplay elsewhere so much is a fucking joke.
Its the combination of the abilities and the design of dungeons. Worst part is that they are punishing players outside of this comp where they are not even broken or overperforming.
i find it funny that people are complaining just now since this was the case the whole lifespan of mythic plus existance, a few classes dominating 1-2 seasons at a time in some cases even entire expansions
@@Dleifocs This season was the most skewed I guess but its also one of the hardest seasons for m+ with bad design.
@@Dleifocs there's graphs that prove that this season is the worse in this aspect by a mile...even the bad SL season with Destro locks and Surv Hunters had more specs participating competitively at high keys, like WW, Sub, Outlaw etc... this season is a tragedy.. theres 1 comp, 5 specs, and everything else is in the dumpster..
Healing feels awful compared to previous expancions, even compared to SL, that was rough for healers gameplay. No wonder people are leaving, its a snowballing issue.
Without a healer on your team 2s, 3s, and BGs can't be won(unless you do RBGs with 9 Augmentations), and with the healer shortage being so severe, players must play as a healer or suffer very long wait times looking for healers. The healer shortage could lower dps/tank player attempts to participate, but likely not enough to correct the healer to non-healer ratio needed to have a consistently shorter time spent putting viable groups together. This is even affecting casual play, like non-rated content. It is not uncommon to have a queue ready and join a regular BG just to find you have no tank on a flag map which can be fine, but also that you only have one healer. Whatever team is lucky enough to have 2 healers will likely win team fights and the overall map objectives.
Blizz kept listening to the high end playerbase. "More mechanics, make the game engaging!". It's become an abomination. Raid healing is a breeze, m+ and pvp healing are panic attacks. Healing is awful, so healers quit. Without healers, the game can't function. Not pve, not pvp.
When you add more mechanics, it adds obstacles for all players. Some of those obstacles are actually insurmountable for certain specs. Warrior dps does good damage, but it doesn't have the answers to mechanics that exodia has. For example: Warrior has rallying cry on a 3 minute cd that gives 15% for their party to help mitigate a particular mechanic. That's it. Contrast it with augvoker: Obsidian scales 2 charges 1.5 minute recharge 10% group hp AND a 2 minute 20% group DR with zephyr. No one is taking a warrior over an augvoker. Sure, they CAN complete higher level dungeons, but why would one of those teams completing higher level dungeons take a warrior when they can make their lives easier by taking a mage or an spriest or augvoker.
They need to simplify this game. Classic is popping off compared to retail and the game is super simple. That's not a coincidence. The vast majority of players are dps, and the most stressful jobs are tanking and healing. When you're adding a billion mechanics to an already stressful job, they stop playing. The tank/healer population is getting decimated which then causes the inflated queue times for everyone else in both pve and pvp. These constraints must be relieved or we'll see a continued decline in the playerbase.
In my experience having played all 3, tanking is pretty chill if you know the mechanics, dps is dps, and healing sucks when your groups don’t perform proper mechanics which in pug groups there will always be one. Basically you’re there to fix everyone else’s mistakes and when and if you make one everyone is boned and it “looks” like your fault. It’s not a rewarding role to play at the moment which is why I quit healing to tank and dps.
You nailed it my guy, I agree with everything you said.
I am mainly a pve player, and my simple goal always was to just gear up my character to the max, and have fun raiding with my friends/guild. Nowadays progging mythic is more like a job rather than playing a video game, where you need to study logs, practice rotations for different scenarios, learn all the complex mechanics, etc.. Even the raiding hours are stressful with how much focus it requires. And ofc I'm not even going to bother with some garbage normal/heroic low ilvl gear that noone wants.
So I realised that retail is basically just not designed for players like me. Instead, I went over to Classic/BC/Wrath where I can just login for raid hours, no logs, no practice, minimal mechanics, and have infinately more chill time raiding, while also getting the best gear in the game (which is the most basic goal of anyone playing an mmo)!!
I left just before 10.1 because healing in pvp was nothing but stress, no fun to be had. I realized the design philosophy of the pvp devs was the complete opposite of what I would like it to be, and they were not going to change it any time soon
I had the same feeling about their PvE design philosophy. Not only did this make me stop playing because the game wasn't fun for me, it made me despise the developers. I don't want to send money to their employer to sustain their careers. Vindictive, I know, but the only joy I get from WoW these days is the schadenfreude from watching it decline.
The worst part about healing is that if it gave more rating than dps, people would look past the added difficulty. But more difficulty for the same reward? Nah
I feel like devs want to punish healers teams for having healers. When dampening wasn't enough they found other ways to force people to die in a single CC.
PvE healing sucks too compared to dpsing or tanking. Normally I enjoy healing and I lean towards that as my main role. This season I’ve taken up tanking because healing is not fun in the slightest even being overgeared for content.
@@allentheaverageoldjoe💯the game is still too fast & bursty. Slow it down and give people a chance to react
Whenever im in game doing m+ im having fun but it just feels completely pointless to play no sense of fulfillment whatsoever
for me the problems are: ability bloat (buttons dont feel meaningful), too many keybinds needed, pvp is balanced strictly around arena yet bgs are the most popular pvp format (MM hunter is just disgusting in bgs atm), there's no longer any concentrated coolness as Ghostcrawler used to call it i.e. everyone has everything now, closers, rupts, cc, burst CDs - Game is just so samey between classes compared to classic, wrath, tbc IMO
Bgs are surely not the most popular format. RBGs are even less participated than 2s.
And If you're talking about casual bgs, I can't take you any serious.
completely agree on ability/rotation bloat. they should cut down pretty much every class abilities by like 20% and reroll the powers into passives or something. the reason i stopped playing hunter and shamen. too many abilities and i can't manage more than 2 point and click abilities (traps and totems). i'd rather play some thing like a shadow priest, there i have 1 point and click ability, simple rotation and all power for lack of bloat, is rerolled into damage of base abilities and passive talents.
@@DAlex181D was referring to normal BGs rather than RBGs. Rated pvp in general isn't particularly popular in my experience, I'd love an expansion that brought a proper world pvp zone and improved casual pvp experience
@@DAlex181D rbgs are not popular that is true. imagine though u can find an epic bg with 80 players faster than u can find one solo shuffle with 6 players.. non rated bgs are way more popular as a whole cause they are easily accessible to most players
u are 100% right
I’m a casual gamer but I’m having a good time
Even tho I HATE Solo Shuffle, I believe that tehres simple solution for Q times:
After 5 mins spent in Q, players should have an option to accept: Get into 3x3 DPS arena.
Matches would last 1 min top. And queue times would be..... non-existent.
Yeah... some classes might have hard time in it. But whats the difference now when 1 caster gets stomped by 3 melees anyway?
As a healer in solo shuffle I see A LOT of 3-3s because one dps goes 0-6 or one goes 6-0 and you get +0 rating for it or sometimes even negative rating, it sucks
I've played WoW on and off since vanilla, had my hardcore moments, but I'm a 31 y.o. boomer now. I don't dislike class balance in DF, but I hit 2k in solo shuffle and kinda quit because I can't dedicate enough time to progress further, so I'd rather watch the big pvp streamers and live vicariously through them.
They gotta fix healer balancing in both pvp and pve. Healers are gone, ques are up cause of it
completely agree. im pvp, so from pvp point of view, i dont need their extra 50 conquest token, i want to be able to climb rating to get rewards. And as healer, it's impossible.
Just read they are nerfing pally healing coming up soon.
@@Cheryl_Lynn1cause it's broken at a high lvl of play duh
@@13samfootball Duh just stated what I read. I didn't give a opinion on it duh
I just feel like there is no way to fix the "30-40 min Que" problem if Solo Shuffle is reliant on a traditional 3v3 (2 Dps, 1 healer) style. There just aren't enough healers and I don't think Blizzard, nor the community wants to make Healer Bots to fill the void. So the only way is to make que's faster in my opinion is to have 3 DPS vs 3 DPS when there are no healers to QUE. Ive been in some Solo lobbies around 1800 where there are no healers but two tanks on each side. They should just do 3 dps vs 3dps to speed up QUEs. I think the dynamic is not as good as the traditional method but people would be having way more fun hopping in a lobby that's more zugzug/dmg dealing vs waiting 30 min for the more traditional 3v3 style.
i agree it would shorten queues but its gonna suck monumentally for the dps specs that rely on healers to be functional in pvp. would have to completely redesign a lot of classes for that imo
O ya I agree. Maybe for the 3 DPS vs 3 DPS lobbies youre allowed like 3 potions or some sort of consumable to heal or protect you to give classes ability to self heal/guard them selves. @@jaded-harper
The reason why i quit i went to private servers in shadowlands, was because classes lost their identity, every class having movement speed, heals, stuns, etc.
I also miss hybrids like feral druid playstyle being this mix match of all classes, good off heals clone was your blind to reset, get caught in caster form full stun die.
I like to multi class, its really helped me push elite on my main. At 10 classes at 1800 atm, and 47/100 wins to legend on my ww. Unfortunately playing against so many multi r1s im getting outclassed lol. Dropped to 2350 😭
I got ksm and ksh. Realized everyone quit then went and played other things. I cant stand pugging purely because of how toxic the pug scene can be. So if my friends aren't playing, I'm not.
Honestly, as someone who has played since 2008 I will tell you the one thing most responsible in my opinion for the decline of players since the peak of 12M in 2010 is the ongoing separation of the playerbase into tiered skill groups.
This started in earnest with Cataclysm Dungeons and RBGs. The introduction of RBGs split the PVP playerbase in a terrible way. In random BGs, there were suddenly too many bads and not enough goods to whip everyone else into shape, or to even bring balance. The best PVP fans were now in rated BGs with their friends, creating two distinct groups of PVP players who no longer wished to play with each other.
Cataclysm heroic dungeons were a substantial increase in challenge from WotLK dungeons. This further split players into those who would run heroics only, and people who would only run normals. Another group just said nevermind to dungeons completely. Now, the players who most excelled at 5-man content were off in groups by themselves, instead of helping and teaching and inspiring other players to do better or try harder. This is important because, remember, early WoW's success was based upon community - not individualism.
Then Blizzard further divided players with Heroic raids. It wasn't enough to have 10 and 25 man version - now we had four tiers of raiding, splitting raiding players into four distinct populations. A lot of folks just said, meh, "I'm no longer interested in raids" and this was after a period of growth in raiding players over the course of WotLK.
And from there we all know where it goes - Mythic. PVE players are split into between 4-6 different populations for raids. 3 different populations for dungeons. 2 distinct PVP groups. Everyone else is out doing world content or transmog hunting, solo. It sucks, really.
And then they added Classic creating yet ANOTHER separate player population.
The best thing Blizzard could do for community growth is to bring players of different skill levels back together to the same content. There should be one BG queue. One LFD queue. One version of raids. At this point, I'm not sure it's even possible.
This is a big part of it, splitting and splitting the dwindling player base, doesn’t help anything
More options are not bad. For me it was time commitment needed to be a top player. Mythic raid and mythic+ are too complicated. It's not fun to play a game that any mistake is ruin 30 minutes of progress.
I don’t understand how the healer is 3rd in healing done
cause the healer player lacks chromosome
Interesting that both Venruki and Asmongold both stopped Mythic raiding during Legion. Honestly, both M+ and raid difficulty have just gotten way too hard. Why even develop raiding with 1 % of the WoW population (mythic raiders) in mind, it does not make sense. Also M+ during Legion was just so much fun. Easy runs and lots of loot. Now? M+ is stressful, punishing, wait for healer to join forever (because no one wants to heal due to stress) and you don´t even really get loot you can use after a run, but instead gotta pray to the weekly vault for slow upgrades.
I don't get this mentality
Mythic rading doesn't have anything to do with you, it's not developed for the 1%, raiding is developed for HC, it is then scaled down to normal and LFR, and scaled up to Mythic, it isn't like the whole raid is redesigned around those that enjoy that difficulty, it's just a new mechanic + tighter numbers.
Why do you let it get to you? I don't play it, you don't have to play it either, just like you don't have to play LFR; stay in the one that is right for you.
Same with m+, keys scale however high you can push them, you can get fully geared from 16s though, can you do a 16? I'm fairly sure you can unless you have some learning disability, why do you care that 27s are hard?
@@Yattayatta because this days everyone wants to be the best of their street, and that has become the main issue. in the past players accepted that they had a limit, either of skill ,. free time or investment but nowadays that is not the case. The game as you stated allows anyone to essentially get almost max gear by running m16 and upgrading them with crest, and even always has 1 or 2 dungeons that are much easier then others, so almost anyone with a modicum of awareness and basic knowledge can farm those , get crest and improve the gear ... and does not even give better reward beyond m20. but apparently many will only be satisfied by doing 25+keys or mythic raiding because that is what they see in streams and videos and they want to be "the big man on campus" even when they have no place or the motor and mental features do so.
You are right about the ret patch. I went from 2650 to 2100 in one day after the rets got buffed because they countered me so hard. Then I quit the game and I haven’t played since
just need class design to have even atleast SOME sort of resemblance of how it was during Cata-MoP era:
#1) Games had the ability to be fast, but also the ability to be slow. (look at #3)
#2) Class design had so much potential & there was so much outplays & cc if coordinated correctly (and in return so many ways to survive & defensively outplay as most classes).
#3) You didnt need to press 1000000APM just to feel like ur doing something (and even then, most of the time it feels like im doing nothing relevant until the next "go" currently on retail) Buttons just don't mean anything, until suddenly someone's HP goes 80 to 15%, its a strange interaction/flow that the balancing currently has, hard to articulate perfectly.
#4) Poor balancing in general, seems like theres always something thats stupidly OP -- You had WW monk taking ppl 60-0 at the start. Then feral doing absurd damage to 3 targets like some sort of melee aff-lock (while also being one-dimensional and having next to no CC, simply a damage class which is a shame considering the skill/outplay feral used to be able to do), then you had the Ret Pala fiasco, Dragon/DK 1shot, etc. Just always some stupid 1shot.
tldr; move class design / pacing / balancing atleast a small portion toward the Cata ish / MoP ish era, and build it from there would be a good start. Or atleast just do SOMETHING different in these departments for retail, what their currently doing is obviously not working.
agree 100%
they were always one shot but you have to be good to make them or too stupid to let them..like on wotlk destro lock could kill you in shadowfury/coil...ret in hoj..but you could stop that or prevent that..now you just cant..its cd for cd untill u have no more cds and you die.
@@TheOaxOaxOax my WW friend who returned to the game at beginning of DF after 5 yrs and was never higher than 2k XP was taking people 65-0 in consistent games to the point I actually got bored because the setups we were doing were actually moot b/c he 1shots anyway. Thats dumb.
Feral multi-bleeding and intentionally NOT speccing clone and being rewarded for that playstyle is dumb.
Ret pala... lets be honest nobody can have any defense against this.
These are just some examples.
And yes, there are some classes / combos that you can do on Wrath that is similar, but on Wrath its less consistent, and most classes have a good kit / high outplay to where you have many avenues to deal with these things (which means the enemy HAS to set it up properly or those "1shots" dont lead to anything relevant). For retail that isn't really the case, it's all about mashing ur keys, pve pve pve pve pve 1SHOT... The pacing is extremely awkward.
Not saying Wrath is perfect, far from it, hence why I said the direction needs to be closer to that of Cata/MoP b/c I feel thats when the community sort of enjoyed PVP the most & it had probably the best balancing & highest outplay ability.
I just wanted a casual online exploration game. WoW hans't been that since Cata, and while I don't think flying was really the death of the game, I think the failure to fully embrace flying-based exploration did.
Dragon Isles isn't as fun to explore as Outland, Northrend, or even post-Cata Kalimdor/E.K.
Fight me.
Rbg, 2v2 and 3v3 is ruined by boosters. Thats what kills pvp
Consistant dam in pvp is nice but when my teammate dies while im freecasting and no cds are up theres somethin wrong
well in that case we need to give mage atleast few more blinks but change the name of spells, and 1-2 more blocks ?
@@brankoprpos8808 found the melee player
MMR deflation is the last straw to me...Healer experience also feels shit in season 1 but at least I can grind 2400 xmogs, now in season 2 I have zero motivation of playing once I hit 1800.
I just rejoined WoW and it's very anti-social. I cant even find a leveling guild for 4 days straight, and no one ever talks in chat (I literally go out of my way to make conversation), and I'm on a FULL server! Back in Legion you used to get SPAMMED with invites.... it kinda makes me sad actually.
The main problem with this expansion is not the content but the currencies, like in PVE you have like 6 different currencies you have to farm to upgrade gear or craft gear, crafters are useless because you can’t craft entire set that will actually be useful. Gold should be use for everything in this game, not just to pay your free sub and buy transmogs.
I commented this to Izen's video too. But here is my story:
I liked this expansion at first, I love dragonriding and the new profession system (earned ~10 million gold, never had this amount of gold). But there are 4 very big problem for me and eventually I left because of that.
1.: Most of the rotations are weird, many classes feels like halfdone/alpha state even the meta ones (not speaking about power, just purely the gameplay smoothness). The talent tree feels very good at leveling but packed with annoying/stupid/very bad things and "dead end" routes at max level. Many class needs rework badly (just to be fun atleast).
2.: The class balance is dogshit. Half of the classes are literally dead. It wasn't good before but augmentation made it even worse, simply took away 1 dps spot from m+. I have BFA flashbacks when 2 rogue+DH was the meta 3/4 season, but somehow this feels even worse.
3.: The actual content is very few / achievable too fast. Usually when the catalyst is coming out most of the players already left the season (delaying the catalyst is a stupid thing too).
4.: Healing is a very bad experience. I am ok with the "healers should heal" mentality, but they needs proper tools for it. The incoming damage went high and you have 6-8 weak heal instead of 2-3 strong. Less healer => less group => less player.
+1 bonus reason: Blizzard does not give a fuck (seems like it atleast) / playing a totally different game.
what the hell did you do to earn 10 mil, how much daily did you play and is it still possible or only start of expac type of thing?
40 minute queues is solved by having DPS Only games, OR by having both sides have odd groups (like u get 1 healer for each side). Then DPS gets in games without the need for other specs.
It doesn't really help that the frequent "content" patches they release are just empty. It's yet another iteration of a loot pinata portal every single time. The most recent one, the Emerald Dream portals have almost nothing to farm compared to Time Rifts.
Imagine only being able to get the Elite set as a PvP reward since all the other rewards are locked behind 15 years of playing
No sound
Wow never had diversity in class comps for mythic dungeons and raids and that realization happened after legion where DK Paladin DH priest and warlock were important to blizzard
Can you please talk more about the MMR issues so Blizzard starts noticing, it's killing PvP.
This is what killed it for me and my two teammates. We all unsubbed a month ago. It’s about principle now. We won’t give these retards any more money if they won’t even communicate with the community about the MMR issues. But Ven is one of the few that does talk about it.
CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC CC
i love being CC 5 times in a row by a single warlock player.
super fun mechanics
also the super deflated crap they pulled is not fun for any1 but the pro players im sure
100% spot on. as a healer, you shouldn't rely on line of sighting enemy CC, which they can cast every 5 seconds. after 1600. it's impossible to play as healer, because all you do is hide behind a pillar to avoid chain CC. stupid game play.
agree. it only got worse now with talent trees. I remember in bfa as a fdk I had a singular aoe blind, 1 grip, 1 ranged interrupt. now I have aoe blind, 2 grips, shorter cd ranged interrupt, 2 aoe stuns, single target stun, single target silence, and abom limb. lol wtf happened??? its like dota 2 but on crack and worse in every way
Between 2006 and 2011 I've been playing non-stop. Since then, I played every expansion for like 2-3 months. Dragonflight was the first one in a long time that I reaaaally enjoyed playing. I reached 2.6k in shuffle with my frost mage in season one, but in the beginning of season two I peaked at 2k and got stuck. I just had to quit again. Wow is not only too complex, you have to wait for like 40 minutes without actually playing the game. I've got a life lol. Not to mention, that even if I get a game, with 3 or 4 wins my rating remains unchanged. I hope they can fix that somehow.
I understand that replacing gear is at the heart of WoW, but I had a gear setup I liked with Oynx Ring and couldn't be bothered to put in the work with the Caverns content to stay even average. For us working folk, I'd pay a premium to keep the gear - I already worked for - relevant. And it would be nice if Blizzard kept upgrading old gear so it's just not discarded, like letting us wear 2 Oynx Rings and stack gems with each new gear higher ILvL introductions. Chasing the meta gets old, fast.
I’m a pve guy who has moved to PVP. Raid schedules verses pick up games in PVP with friends on my time. Mine or skin while I’m in solo shuffle queue. No comparison to challenge and fun. I’m only a rival skilled player currently but I’m progressing and learning. Pvp is much more fun now.
I got into pvp for the first time in my 8 years playing WOW. I really enjoyed how easy it was to get pvp gear and jump in without all the artifact power, conduits grindy BS. I did enough BGs and lost enough skirmishes to get enough Honor to get an honor set and did some rated arena. I had a lot of fun and got to like 1300, even earned a few pvp vault pieces. Then the next patch dropped and the few Conquest pieces I spent a lot of time to earn were lower pvp ilevel than that Honor gear that patch. Was not interested in losing an F ton of skirmishes again, just to get Honor gear. Knowing how brutal pvp gearing was in SL, felt like wasted good will.
Game is overly complicated, i just farm cosmetics hoping the game will return to a better state one day
I've got a sort of similar story tho at a much lower scrubby lever. I bought the game in August to do pvp and started doing BG and arena skrims after dinging 70. The gameplay was good and I really liked my spec. It was fun for a while getting the gear and getting better at playing my spec, but then it started to feel increasingly repetitive and sort of moot. So I decided to try solo shuffle - I did my homework, got the addons, watched the videos, reworked all of my keybinds at a great cost to my sanity - and I queued for 35min only to get yelled at and flamed for "literally ruining everyones game". Fuck that sweatshop noise. There're hundreds of other games out there with a fraction of the cost and the time investment requirements and don't leave you feeling like you've just suffered through an extra shift at an awful job after getting home from work. I tried going back to BG and skrims, but it wasn't the same anymore, so I just dropped the game let the sub run out. A pity, since I really like the gameplay of the spec.
completely agree with you. the sweat shop crap has to end. people forgot what it's like to play for fun.
Yeah that's exactly the reason why I enjoy Classic / Classic HC. I played WoW for over 15 years (or more?). I play since Vanilla WoW. Retail is SUCH a pain in the ass. I enjoy the layed back "no pressure to do anything really" style of classic and I am having FUN interacting with people and getting some bullshit leveling Item is more enjoyable than getting a very good trinket or anything really in retail. Just my oppinion / situation.
Reason Number 1 that is KILLING the game, BY FAR, is waiting for a group. Adding to that is the meta issue.
I really think that they should just introduce random grouping (like shuffle) for all brackets of Rated PVP and M+ just based on rating and MMR.
Lets Imagine for a second if League of Legends had the same LFG system.
I bet it will take 30 minutes to start a game.
Everyone will always be checking history, looking for a guy that plays the meta laner and has a winning streak.
If you wanted to play a squishy top or an off-meta agresaive support or any kind of offmeta pick you just will not ever get to play or you will have to wait forever for a group to play with lesser experienced players.
First it kills the divercity and second just puts off the average player that has 2 hours in the evening to play and just wants to get into a game and have fun.
So ultimately 2/3 of players will quit and just go and find something thats a better use of their time.
I dont agree with the premise that most players play PVP with the goal to achieve certain rating and then do something else.
Firstly we just want to login and play competitive matches and then rating just matters,so that you can actually play with more skilled partners and face better opponents.
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Augmentation is a spec that ruined a patch and evoker is the class that ruined a expansion.
They've literally been beyond busted since day 1
Nice bait
They add complexity in the wrong parts of the game…. I don’t want to juggle 30 different cooldowns and ridiculous rotations. Quite frankly, Turtle WoW has ruined retail for me (Classic and Modern).
My wife and I quit after Castle Nath-whatever. The raid mechanics simply weren't fun for us, either dying or killing our group with any misstep. I tried coming back for DF, it's not bad but I just can't get into it.
Funny how you can outgrow a game after 14 years 😊
I've healed since wotlk and healing progressively got less fun. The dps output now is just insane and you can't spare one global especially in solo. It seems a ton of the healers I play all ended up being forced to go full mastery builds with almost no haste. I think that has a big impact on how fun the game is to play. It just isn't nearly as fun everything feels slow and clunky.
Yeah! Blizz literally said healing has been too easy for us and they needed to make it harder for us, like thanks! Now i cannot take my eyes off anyones health ever but thanks for the free healing tree friends (Rdruid).
And I too have had to switch to mastery > haste
For me, I cannot stand this sort of "flavor of the month" PvP meta that has seemingly pervaded DF PvP. I am a class specialist, and when my class performed well, I had a good time, but it seemed for only like periods of 2 weeks before a weekly tuning patch would completely nerf it to the ground, and some other class would rise in prominence, for, again, 2-3 weeks before it was nerfed (again), repeating. I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing, a lot of people like what Blizz calls an "evolving meta", but for me, it looks a hell of lot like 1) not taking the proper care to balance classes properly in PTR because they can always throw a balance patch here and there as they watch the numbers (Most recently Aug evoker, previously Ret pally during their rework, etc. etc.) and 2) An intended effort by Blizz to get players to swing between classes because they made alting so easy (Look at Pika, he's picked up like every class in the last 3 months). No PvP player can have the security of mind that their class won't get fiddled with if something "gamebreaking" (aka fun/good/cheesy, whatever) is discovered. Like, Mitchjones, for example. The guy is goofy, but seriously a genius when it comes to class optimization and creativity. Where is he? back to classic, bc Blizz nerfed all of the fun builds he discovered. It's annoying. In previous expansions, if a class was good, or a specific stat/build setup, it was usually just set in stone and players had to devise counter builds/comps, which is good for the game because it encourages creativity. Instead, people just whine now, and blizz capitulates under the guise of "listening to the community".
Fun build is mage oneshots you through stealth???? Wow very genius gameplay
check out this crazy out of the box idea. let us que for arena on one character while questing/leveling/doing whatever on another. when the que pops, we jump into arena on the character we qued on. this way i dont have to spend multiple hours sitting around each weekend waiting for que to pop
For me it comes down to this, if I'm not able to login to the game, have fun doing what I want, and feel like I'm progressing towards 'something' then I'm out. The current state of the game is missing all 3 of those things for me right now.
1. I'm not able to 'simply' login to the game and play, most of the time it is waiting, some sort of que time or trying to get a group together.
2. I don't have fun playing the class / spec that is needed in PVP, healer.
3. I don't feel like I'm actually progressing towards anything. I have the gear / cosmetics that I'll be able to obtain and I have the rating that I'll be able to obtain for the season so I'm done.
20 man raiding is a dead genre and they don't do anything with pvp. PvP is the only genre of online gaming anyone has interest in but Blizzard ignores it. There are a total of 0 popular multiplayer pve games.
Queue times are the single most brutal thing about this expansion. I don't often play with my friends in 2's or 3's, so Shuffle is my go-to. But I just wish the queue was 5 min top end.
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I can't hear you, what'd you say?!
Augmentation evokers were a huge mistake by Blizzard.
This is a 360p video? I couldnt find a higher resolution to view this video at on RUclips...
Im one of those people that was playing DAILY but havent played a single day since the ret rework lol. It killed the vibe of pvp for me and just havent bothered to go back and see if its gotten bettter.
Because each patch they add 1000 new things to learn and old stuff quickly becomes useless.
I hate the new work orders crap, the trading bricks in that underground area...
this drop Because 99.9% of the people in lfg selling mythic keys and 0.01% asking for highest IO and checking logs and addons xDD
its not like people can actually do keys they cant find a group.. > atleast this is what i remember back in early shadowland-bfa maybe they changed now
The thing is that this video entirely misrepresents what these bits of content are for.
Dream surges aren't for +20 players. Time rifts arent for multiglads.
It's casual content for casual players, who make up the largest majority of the playerbase, just not vocally. Blizzard says player retention is up not because of m+ or pvp necessarily, you gotta factor in the people who don't participate in these.
How many primalist tomorrow's have you completed? I've done none, but that's because they aren't made for me
The reason why no one plays is because 9/10 wow content creators are using titles and topics like this to get views.
You guys are opinion leaders, if you lead against, we will follow.
It’s your choice as much as it’s blizzards.
I have been trying to get myself into solo shuffle since it was released. I really wanted to grind ranks in it. But I don't want to play healer cause fuck that and i just straight up don't have time time to sit in 20-40 min queues. If I have 1-2 hours to game every day, why would i spend that time afking in queue just to play one game before I have to get off.
I promise I made this comment around the 10 min mark before I heard Ven say basically the exact same thing in the last 30 seconds 😅
The first season of DF was horrendous as a M+ enjoyer only.
It felt like you had to have 2 sets of eyes and being able to multi task 6 different things simultaneously.
In legion i loved M+ it didn't feel like i was completely burned out after 2 dungeons, i could sit and grind dungeons for 8 hours straight without breaking a sweat.
Now in DF i run 2 dungeons and i'm completely mentally drained.
It feels like i have to focus like i was fighting for my life.
It's just not fun with that level of "difficulty".
I'd be interested to see the age demographic of WoW's audience. My theory is that there are limited new entrants to the game, and the player base is largely like me - people who got into it in the early-mid 2010's when we were in our teens and early 20s. Now, we've all aged out. I've got a full time job, wife and kids, 31 years old, and when I have a few hours a week for video games I play something that's 'instantly' fun - a Halo multiplayer session or Diablo. Going in and doing the chores of WoW is no longer an option for me.
If WoW developed a 'log-in and play' mode for Arena and battlegrounds, I'd play all the time. I'm convinced it has the best PvP gameplay of any game that's ever been made, but it's not possible for me to keep up, stay geared, and have fun w/o getting wrecked by people above me. Even if I have the time, I have no clue what quests/storylines/gear upgrades I need to make! It's too complex!
Because it's tailored to people not playing. It's aimed at people who raidlog and log on once a week.
It’s funny because every night my rbg team runs we play the same teams over and over again because no one else is queuing 💀
Dragonflight is the most uninspiring expansion name in the whole of WoW history. The state of the game agrees as well.
Hell no lol.. SL was way worse imho. That expansion was pure torture as a casual pvp’er
I think being loyal tona Game is good, because that means its fun and you like it. I wish WoW would be that Game again but it isnt, too many problems. Gameplay,Systems, Artstyle change etc .
I love having a "Main" Game and occasionly playing something else, but WoW dosent have an direction, every year more loot bombardment, more raids and zones that become pointless.
There is no sense of adventure. Runescape still has it for me and gave me the old mmo feeling back i years ago in WoW.
Just give classes 1-2 defensives and 1-2 utility spells, 5 combat abilities and 1-2 offensive cooldowns. Then gut the rest aside from class-specific abilities like DK's death gate, hunter's pet abilities, etc.
Everyone quit because Mythic + and raiding sucks full stop...other MMO's has alternate things to do for those who aren't Hyper-competitive Douchenozzles
Our m+ healer did 55 mythic + runs and got no loot that week
I dont understand why blizz dont connect Eu server with Na server
I quit because the game is just boring and super toxic. Always found myself afking and whenever I tried to have fun it was just people cussing at each other and using the ‘n’ word. Not worth it
Basically every season I get all the +20 key portals and AOTC done with a group of friends and then quit. We might play a few weeks longer just to round out our gear and that's it. No point pushing anything past that with better games out to play.
You’re not wrong. The retpocalypse was the biggest swing of emotion I’ve ever had playing this game. I went from having the most fun I’ve had playing WoW in years in 10.0.5, to literally considering quitting a week after 10.0.7 dropped. Still taking a break with how deflated MMR is right now after hitting duelist, but we’ll see how things go. Not feeling super motivated to dive back in.
Disc priest was the same thing for healers. This has been the absolute worst FOTM rerolling expansion I've ever seen in my life. If your not playing the S tier class of the patch then your only going to ever play into it. Low class viability, terrible balancing, long periods before they fix anything. Putting on my tin foil hat here, but I wouldn't be surprised if balance swings like these weren't intentional just to get players to buy character boosts/wow tokens.
@@Rizzerio1 y its the same with holy paladins right now when i q on my priest i play 90 % of the time against holy paladins not much fun either
From a PVE standpoint, I'm in a heroic aotc guild. After getting aotc and KSM I fully geared 2 characters to about 440+ ilvl and that was weeks ago. Now, just waiting for new raid.
From a PVP standpoint, I don't like regular arena, every time I try to do solo shuffle its a 20-30 min queue, and RBGs are fun but takes forever to get into a consistent group...10.2 bringing solo queue RBGs is gonna be cool, but will likely have the same issue as solo shuffle.
I often hear that the content cadence of DF is fast, I'd argue it's not fast enough. There's no denying that patch to patch is like a soft reset and you are replacing all your gear, why have such large gaps in between new raids and dungeons? Content droughts are the worst.
Idk why they dont just create 2v2 Solo Shuffle for just DPS or even 3v3 DPS only until they fix how dmg is happening and how to heal that makes healers feel really bad. If damage wasnt so bursty I really feel that healing would be better.
Oh my god that would be so fun! Haha I think I could dominate that bracket! I’d love a 1v1 rated arena. Fury warrior FTW!
2v2 just sucks as a bracket, and healing will feel bad no matter what because dampening ramps up really fast on top of dmg
The constant gear grind never being able to get to that max power spot and just play the game at the best your character can be at is what kills it for me every week debuffs buffs big ass changes aint fun
I wanna have BiS pvp gear and not have a bunch of other tasks I need to do and go open world pvp just have fun run bgs for fun
A damage squish would be nice let’s crit for like 15k instead of 250k we squished levels but not damage numbers
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@@Sendheal We did in SL at the same time we did the level squish what are you talking about?
its simple .. The World in World of Warcraft is no more. Its just a small island theme park that takes to much grinding effort to play.
there is quite litterally no world to participate in as soon as ur friends are not online. The game is so boring on its own.. Im not a classic andy but I think classic is atleast fun alone, cus its not fast phased & "hard(lack of a better word) or time consuming"
- Watching the end - I almost can guarantee u, that World PvP is the answer. And im not talking about the "world quest grp world pvp" im talking about high level zones that are a place to pvp in a massive world that has been created over almost 20years.. Yeah.. no lets stick to Islands and make other players invisible.... And lets seperate max level players & new players from one another, give them each a capital city to hang out at.
That spike in Shadowlands season 1 mythic+ runs is really easy to explain. Worldwide pandemic = lots of people playing video games.
For Solo Shuffle, what are our thoughts about 2v2 DPS queues? Probably as a separate rating, or maybe an average of 2v2 and 3v3 as one rating, but you'd queue for both to ensure the 3v3 shuffles are not more barren than what they already are. The logistics and everything might be a nightmare but if our goal is to get players into an arena, then maybe treating it a little bit like skirms but rated. You can only give healers so many incentives to queue in, me being one of them, before they're tired. I'd love to play more of my lock and hunter, but that 20-30 minute queue, unless Im lucky, is rough especially when you have that insta queue that pops.
i think it would be really hard to climb on certain classes in 2v2 but in 3v3 everyone has a shot
Might be worth noting that we aren't done with season 2 of DF yet, so those numbers he used still have a decent amount of time to go up, feel like this is worth mentioning especially considering we are using the final numbers of other expansions for comparison.
Can call it copium or whatever, but I just looked at the same sample size search criteria for DF season 2 and it has gone up 50,000ish within just over a day of this video being posted. That's pretty significant imo. Say we have another 30 days of 10.1 (for the sake of example), 50k every 1.5 days would add another 1,000,000 to season 2 sample size.
I don't know how or if it's going to grow, but saying that its decreased 63% and then comparing to other finished season, isn't really fair until this season is over. And no, I'm not trying to say that this season is doing amazing.
Ha i got super excited to get KSM (came back to retail while raid logging in classic)… a few friends and i we worked hard, ran raids, crafted gear, got in there and hit KSM in like 3 weeks. And although im super satisfied, i havent logged into retail much since. I didnt play the “grindy” bfa/SL, but i like that i can take a break, come back a month or two later and catch up inside of a few days.
Why is nobody bringing up the fact that the game has adopted seasons and call them "patches"? Wow used to be a game where every patch was relevant from beginning to end, across an expansion. Now every patch is there to bring in new players. Leaving old players doing the same things as every other patch in just a reskinned format. Why do you need to get fully geared every tier? Why can't we have progressive raiding? Make them easier, less overdesigned (Which btw nobody looks or cares about anyways).
Mythic raiding is awful. First of all every slot/spec is dictated by the mechanics. Play a spec that is not meta? Tough shit - see you next raid, maybe. Second up, the preposterous amount of addons *required* is beyond stupid. Thirdly, stack on purple on purple on purple underneath 20 or 30 layers of spells being cast by the players and you might as well play with your eyes closed. The visuals in this game are basically meaningless. (hence the addon bloat) Yeah, I quit in the middle of the so-called "WoW renaissance" and I am clearly not alone....lol
i agree, the ret changes made me quit for 1 month, it was ridiculous, we had 2-3 rets in every shuffle.
I paused my sub to play other games. Not that I had any issues with WoW - I just didn't bother resubbing when I knew I would be busy for a few months playing TotK, BG3, AC6, and Starfield
The thing is private wow servers do not even bother with fixing old expansion content anymore also. They are too lazy to fix an expansion over the course of a year even with low staff. Since the old expansions have too much bloatware scripting and bugs to fix it is a mundane hassle. They just focus on online shop and instant gear and mounts and follow same blizzard pay to win concept now. Even if they push out a dragonflight server for themselves it will not make much of a difference also
It's DULL! Draogonflight flying is like going drunk, the badguys are boring and the story is uninteresting! I got my 3 year hunt maguffin of the Scarlet mog and my older proto dragon IM DONE!
Healing M+ this season has been god awful. Everyone talks about it. Everyone knows.