Presenting this information to my JW grandad tomorrow, let’s just pray he sees the Light in Christ. Also, I agree with the restaurant preferences very much! Thank you very much for making your videos concise, understandable, and also amusing. I appreciate it very much good sir. 👍
If GOD is three persons and all are named JEHOVAH, and if you see them in front of you, count one by one, how MANY JEHOVAH do you see? that is THREE JEHOVAH, and Deut 6:4 says JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH. and THAT IS NOT THREE JEHOVAH
@@Mr.DC3.1914 The three god in one doctrine originates with pagan teachings long before Christianity became a thing on earth. Rome created the Roman Catholic church and brought with it many pagan ideas. Of course, we know that the Roman Catholic church is the mother of Christendom.
@@ronhansen8471 "The three god in one doctrine originates with pagan teachings long before Christianity became a thing on earth." Do you have any proof?
@@misterauctor7353 In the 4th century a man named arius an alexandrian priest rose up and asserted that the Son (Jesus) was not eternal and was not of the same substance. Thus the Arian heresy is born referred as Arianism . Athanatius was a theologian who defended the Deity of Christ. Arianism died out but the watchtower organization who shows up almost 2000 years later have resurrected this heresy.
If GOD is three persons and all are named JEHOVAH, and if you see them in front of you, count one by one, how MANY JEHOVAH do you see? that is THREE JEHOVAH, and Deut 6:4 says JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH. and THAT IS NOT THREE JEHOVAH
@@markshark1613 Babylonia "The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
god bless you for what youre doing. im 15 and im an exjw recebntly i woke up about few months ago and this channel has been my go to for unindcotrination since then, ive always watched chirstan apologiest so as soon as i woke up i was christan but youre apologiest work has helped me so much to grow in christ and be able to do my own apologiest work to my own family and my friends ive even been pretty close at making aconverts (still working on them :D) thank you so much from the bottom of my heart god bless you and i'll pray for you
If GOD is three persons and all are named JEHOVAH, and if you see them in front of you, count one by one, how MANY JEHOVAH do you see? that is THREE JEHOVAH, and Deut 6:4 says JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH. and THAT IS NOT THREE JEHOVAH
It is quiet in the comment thread. There is no defense because they know this is an unscriptural doctrine. So well done. Even if it saves one person, all this effor you are doing is worth it. Keep it up 👍
@@mattgardiner614 to your comment: Were the Old Covenant Jews a cult? ------------------------------------------ You have addressed the crucial aspect without being aware of the implications of your statement, as is so often the case. Neither the Old nor the New Covenant is considered a cult by true worshipers of God. Rather, those organizations are to be classified as cults that negate the affiliation of the vast majority of their members to the New Covenant and thus exclude their members from belonging to the true people of God in this epoch. Watchtower 1998 February 1, page 19, paragraph 3, =========================================== The Other Sheep and the New Covenant 3 For the 144,000, the blessing of the Abrahamic covenant is administered through the new covenant. As participants in this covenant, they come “under undeserved kindness” and “under law toward Christ.” (Romans 6:15; 1 Corinthians 9:21) Hence, only the 144,000 members of the Israel of God have properly partaken of the emblems during the Memorial of Jesus’ death, and only with them did Jesus make his covenant for a Kingdom. (Luke 22:19, 20, 29) M e m b e r s o f t h e g r e a t c r o w d a r e n o t p a r t i c i p a n t s i n t h e n e w c o v e n a n t . However, they associate with the Israel of God and live with them in their “land.” (Isaiah 66:8) So it is reasonable to say that they too come under Jehovah’s undeserved kindness and under the law toward Christ. While not participants in the new covenant, they are beneficiaries of it.
Thank you so well explained. I have family members who with confidence have put their complete trust in the wt org and its band of merry men aka the g body instead of our savior Jesus .
If GOD is three persons and all are named JEHOVAH, and if you see them in front of you, count one by one, how MANY JEHOVAH do you see? that is THREE JEHOVAH, and Deut 6:4 says JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH. and THAT IS NOT THREE JEHOVAH
They take the word organized and extend it to an organization, You don't have to have an organization in its standard definition to be organized. You can have two people with a task and talk for a few minutes to get organized. Is that an organization? To be organized (verb) means to make preparations and coordinate. Organization (noun) is an institution like the Watchtower Org with staff and assets and money. You can have an organization and not be organized. I've seen it myself in business,
When Stephan looked up he saw GOD and Jesus sitting at his right hand, but why didn’t he see the Holy Spirit??? Because the holy spirit is GODs active force, his will in action
@@leopoldocastillon4129how can a person lie to an 'active force'....read Acts 5.3-4? Look through Acts...the Holy Spirit is described in personal terms. How do you explain Zechariah 4.6? Clearly the Holy Spirit is not an active force.
Sadly true. What's odd is that they say the same thing as the ones they are most against, the Roman Catholic church. They say we can only be saved by being a part of their system, the RCC holds up a man calling him a pope and the JW's hold up men calling them the governing body......same thing. Not to mention the pride in themselves believing that they alone are the special ones and the only true pure religion. God gives grace to the humble but resists the proud. James 1:27 King James Version 27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
(Revelation 18:4) And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues. God wants those who genuinely love him to get out of all the religions of this world. When some do, where do they go to? Obviously to God's organization. The one organization unitedly carrying out God's Will at Matthew 24:14. Despite what these will experience as promised at Matthew 24:9.
@@jimjuri6490 I know that is what they tell you over and over again but it is NOT true. Here is the only true/pure religion according to God and it is NOT an organization that signs up with the governments of this wicked world in order to receive tax exemptions. Your Governing body does the exact same thing as all the other churches and religions out there. Like many others, they have used pride to lure many in. God only gives grace to the humble. James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5 NO organization is going to save anyone, we are all judged by the Lord Jesus Christ, individually. James 1:27 King James Version 27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
JWs go through the entire bible at least twice a year. (2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,
A more pertinent question would be: is there a god in the first place who cares about our eating habits, length of our hair, what clothing we choose to wear, whether guys should wear beards and women wear trousers, and all the rest of it 😂 etc.?
This my new favorite anime! I wish I could forget it all so I could watch it for the first time again. As a funny aside, I thought the imposter was Funi’s puppet, since I couldn’t foresee anyone else doing such a thing.
Are you saying that Michael the Archamgel didn't choose the Watchtower Corporation in 1919 after releasing them from babylonish captivity? Are you saying that Rutherfordn did not receive revelations from Angel's? Are you saying that the 10 bedroom mansion built during the great depression for the prophets to live in was all bs?
Il n’y a de salut qu’en Jésus Christ 👑 Et, comme le dit mon pasteur : « aucune de nos oeuvres peut ajouter au chef-d’œuvre de la Croix de Jésus » Son oeuvre est suffisante. Merci Seigneur pour la croix.
Nehemiah 9:6 King James Version 6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee. Colossians 1:12-17 King James Version 12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. John 1:1-3 King James Version 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Wow DH, you got the fur bunched up on some bridge-dwelling trolls on this one. They got their WT panties in a serous twist. (Try not to invision that one)
I will argue that the early church was an organization, as there are many New Testament passages on how it is to be run and how leaders in it are to behave. BUT, it was not JUST an organization; it was much more than that. And certainly not an organization like the JWs envision.
Very good so God says he will have a chosen people. And the disciples asked Jesus about that considering he just told them about false prophets in The time of the end and note his response at John 13:35 that the mark of true Christians was the love the showed among themselves. Not perfection not how many members not a certain race . . But simply love. . And that is exactly wht Jws show and promote! Worldwide and as a whole.
Warning other Christians of false teachers is a loving thing to do. I sure do appreciate it. It validates my choice for dumping the org. An org created to divert men to themselves instead of to Christ. Jws talk a good talk, but I have been behind those doors. They love saying they are the chosen ones. They love criticizing others who don't eat wt articles. They love having having one sided conversations that are geared to push the message of their self apointed, false food at improper times fds. So don't be a hypocrite because your group not only points out flaws but they attach a follow us or die message. Christians teach follow Christ for salvation. The "org" in that scenario would be all peoples who put their faith in Christ. And Jesus created that "org" with his gift to all who grab hold of it and place their faith in him not the wt. And Where was this love you speak of when the only time they interacted with my terminally ill father was to request his field service reports? I think you mistake pride for love. Christians show love and point people to Christ.
@@michaelazagel2324 Ich pflichte Ihnen vollkommen bei. Ich habe desöftern miterleben müssen, wie gebrechlich gewordene Brüder und Schwester an Insititutionen von "Babylon der Großen" übergeben wurden, weil die Organisation Jehovas ihren Brüdern und Schwestern keine alternativen Betreuungsmöglichkeiten bietet, obwohl man diesen vor Jahrzehnten im Namen Jehovas feierlich versichert hat, dass sie, ohne je sterben zu müssen, in das irdische Paradies eingehen werden, wenn sie sich regelmäßig für die Organisation Jehovas einsetzen. (freiwillige Arbeitsleistungen für die Errichtung und die anschließende Instandhaltung von Königreichsälen und Kongressgebäuden, regelmäßige Spendenleistungen, unentgeltliche Akquisition/Anwerbung von neuen Mitgliedern). Vor Jahrzehnten wurden die Mitglieder aus den Fängen von "Babylon der Großen" befreit, um sie am Ende ihres Lebens wieder der Obhut dieser Insitutionen (Alten- und Pflegeheime unter der Leitung der Evangelischen und Katholischen Kirche) zu überantworten, nachdem keine der vollmundigen Versprechen eingelöst werden konnte und wo ihnen der Anblick jener "teuflichen" Symbole (Kreuze") zugemutet wird, die sie am Anfang ihres Bibelstudiums auf Geheiß der Ältesten von ihren Wohnzimmerwänden entfernen mußten. Welch eine Heuchelei!
@richbaker7187 Yup that kind of love! It keeps the congregation clean. Thts Not something Jws made up. In the nation of Israel they were penalized with Death for fornication or adultery or spiritism and many other parts of the law. It's also in harmony with what paul told the congregation in Corinth to remove the immoral man who was living with his father's wife! And then in 2 Corinthians when the man changed his immoral course he was welcomed back into the congregation. So yes following the Bible completely whether you as an imperfect human agree or not
Why do Christendom adherents go apoplectic at JW's for linking Jesus and Michael, while so many of YOU see the words "The ANGEL of the Lord" in the Bible and say, 'Oh, that's Jesus' ?
@@mattgardiner614 to your comment: Why do Christendom adherents go apoplectic at JW's for linking Jesus and Michael, while so many of YOU see the words "The ANGEL of the Lord" in the Bible and say, 'Oh, that's Jesus' ? ------------------------------------------------------------------- I encourage you to dedicate yourself to a thorough study of the Bible. Where is Jesus associated with the term "angel" in the following New Testament scriptures? Quite the opposite. Jesus is the one who sends out his angels, while he himself will one day return as the Son of man. Revelation 1,1-3 (N W T Study Edition) 1 A revelation* b y J e s u s C h r i s t , which God gave him,a to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And h e (note: J e s u s according to verse 1) s e n t h i s a n g e l and presented it in signs through him =============================================================== to his slave John, Revelation 1,12-13 ( N W T Study Edition) 12 I turned to see w h o w a s s p e a k i n g w i t h m e , and when I turned, I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the lampstands someone like a s o n o f m a n , ======================= clothed in a garment that reached down to the feet and wearing a golden sash around his chest. Revelation 22,16 ( N W T Study Edition) 16 “ ‘ I , J e s u s , s e n t m y a n g e l to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the ===================================== root and the offspring of Davidu and the bright morning star.’” Matthew 25,31-32 ( N WT Study Edition) 31 “When the S o n o f m a n comes in his glory, and a l l t h e a n g e l s w i t h h i m , then he will sit ================================================================================ down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheepu on his right hand, but the goats on his left. Luke 21,26-27 ( N W T Study Edition) 26 People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 And then they will s e e t h e S o n o f m a n coming in a cloud with power and great glory. =================================================== Hebrew 1,6 ( N W T Study Edition) 6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says: “And let a l l o f G o d ’ s a n g e l s do obeisance to him.” =========================================================
@@mattgardiner614 probably because there is zero proof that Jesus is Michael whereas there is reason to believe that the Angel of the Lord can refer to Jesus.
I was a flurry of activity listening to this video. It took me over 50 minutes to get through this 13.5 minute video, because I was taking notes furiously, like a court stenographer, to point out all the misrepresentations, factual errors, fallacies, strawman arguments and hypocrisy . And - as is usual - the most standout scriptures were the ones conspicuous by their absence. I haven't got all day, so I restrict myself to a few things I especially want to talk about, and maybe my Brothers can take care of the rest. Issues around the 8:42-9:02 mark. "..paint this false picture that each church and denomination is their own organization, with each church preaching they're the true religion. This is objectively wrong." Well, me and history beg to differ. Ask the 16th century reformers. Ask Catholics wherever Protestants were on top. Ask the Cathars...Oh wait. You can't. They got wiped out by another group that thought THEY were the true religion. What even is the point of outreach and encouraging people to come along to church if in the next breath you say, 'Oh, we're not saying we're the truth, or anything'. It's so obviously absurd. Why would anybody buy what you are selling? While you are saying that, on the screen you highlight something from WT on our website while denying it's the case: "..many Christian denominations disagree on teachings as basic as what it means to be a Christian." After I watched this video, I re-watched the 'Unity Disproved' video. Thinking this new video might be a re-hashing of that. At the 2:27-32 point in that video, you list the essentials as "Jesus, God, Gospel" and say "They (early Christians) were united on the essentials,". Well, CRISIS!! Under the recent 'Awake and Free: SoundtheAlarm' video, YOUR Brother and Sister Michael Spielberg and @NewCreationInChrist896 (Christians are united on the essentials; remember you said that) are having a disagreement on the Trinity! Which of them isn't a real "Christian"? Now we get to the big one. About the 9 minute mark you say "The Baptist doesn't believe the Presbyterian is going to hell because they're not a Baptist." OK, but you believe the JW is. Most of your viewers do too. This is such outrageous hypocrisy. JW's believe the bibles promise of a "resurrection of the righteous AND the unrighteous", which includes the vast majority of people who have ever lived, including you lot in Christendom, and other belief systems as well. ("..How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard?.." - Romans 10:14) But you don't believe this. ('Second Chance' video) In the 'Unity' video you word it slightly differently, but the point being made is the same. "A Methodist doesn't look at a Baptist and say "Anyone Baptist is going to Hell." Or vice versa. IF SOMEONE DOES, WE'D CALL THOSE PEOPLE... UNHINGED." (7:02-11) I recall, under one video, one of your "Christians" say in the comments that his "sweet" mother who had been a JW, was now in Hell. Because she'd been a JW. Interesting. She was "Sweet". But now she's in Hell. If I can find that comment, will you reply to that poster and tell them they are unhinged? So who really is 'Shutting up the Kingdom' for others? (Matthew 23:13) Big meanie exclusionary JW's, or Christendom?
to your comment ================ JW's believe the bibles promise of a "resurrection of the righteous AND the unrighteous", which includes the vast majority of people who have ever lived, including you lot in Christendom, and other belief systems as well. ("..How, in turn, will they put faith i n h i m a b o u t w h o m t h e y h a v e n o t h e ar d ? . . " - R o m a n s 1 0 : 1 4 ) But you don't believe this. ('Second Chance' video) In the 'Unity' video you word it slightly differently, but the point being made is the same. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ You have once again raised a crucial point, but you are obviously not aware of the implications of your remarks. In the letter to the Romans you cite, Paul laments those of his Jewish compatriots who did not accept Jesus at that time, even though he testifies to them that they continue to show zeal for God, but with the caveat that this form of worship is no longer in accordance with God's will. Romans chapter 10 ( N W T Study Edition) =================================== 1 Brothers, the goodwill of my heart and my supplication to God for them are indeed for their salvation. 2 F o r I b e a r t h e m w i t n e s s t h a t t h e y h a v e a z e a l f o r G o d , b u t n o t a c c o r d i n g ============================================================================================== t o a c c u r a t e k n o w l e d g e . ============================ 3 For because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own,d they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 F o r C h r i s t i s t h e e n d o f t h e L a w , so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness. 9 For if you publicly declare with your mouth t h a t J e s u s i s L o r d ( n o t e : " K y r i o s" ) , ================================================= and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declarationn for salvation. 11 For the scripture says: “No one who rests h i s f a i t h o n h i m will be disappointed.” 12 For there is n o d i s t i n c t i o n b e t w e e n J e w a n d G r e e k . =============================================== T h e r e i s t h e s a m e L o r d (" n o t e : " K y r i o s " ) o v e r a l l , ============================================================= who is rich toward* all those calling on him. 13 F o r “ e v e r y o n e w h o c a l l s o n t h e n a m e o f J e h o v a (note: g r e e k : " K y r i o s" ) =================================================================================== will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith i n h i m a b o u t w h o m t h e y h a v e n o t h e a r d ? ================================================== How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach? In verse 9, Paul emphasizes that Jesus is to be recognized as Lord and invoked as Lord by all true worshipers of the New Covenant. In verse 12, Paul adds that all true worshipers, regardless of their ethnic background, have only one Lord over them and not two different Lords. In verse 13, Paul quotes a prediction from Joel 3:5 that refers to the invocation o f t h e n a m e Y H W H with the obvious intention of reaffirming his previous core message. By inserting the name "Jehovah" in verse 13 of its New World Translation, the Watchtower Society admits, albeit unintentionally, that the prediction of Joel 3:5 has found its final fulfillment in the person of Jesus Christ. Questions to the Bible teacher ========================= 1.) Of whom had the Jews not heard until the appearance of the Apostles in Jerusalem and the surrounding area, or in whom had the Jews not believed until then? (Romans 10,14). Jesus oder Jehovah? 2.) Which of his countrymen did Paul persecute before his conversion and for what reason? And whose name did Paul, along with his confreres, publicly invoke in his missionary ministry after his conversion by Jesus? Jesus or Jehovah?
@@davidagnew8792 I would like to meet you personally. Would you also take this point of view in a personal conversation, even if it objectively contradicts the statements of the Apostle Paul in the New Testament? Are you not yet aware that we have been living under the sign of the New Covenant for two thousand years? In this sense, I would like to draw your attention once again to the statement of the Apostle Paul in his letter to the Romans. Question to the Bible scholar ======================== Did Paul, not I, in his capacity as an apostle personally chosen by Jesus, declare that all true worshipers have the same Lord over them or not? And whom did the apostle Paul reveal to the readers of his epistle by name as the Lord to whom all true worshipers of the New Covenant must confess? Romans chapter 10 ( N W T Study Edition) =================================== 1 Brothers, the goodwill of my heart and my supplication to God for them are indeed for their salvation. 2 F o r I b e a r t h e m w i t n e s s t h a t t h e y h a v e a z e a l f o r G o d , b u t n o t a c c o r d i n g ============================================================================================== t o a c c u r a t e k n o w l e d g e . ============================ 3 For because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own,d they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4 F o r C h r i s t i s t h e e n d o f t h e L a w , so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness. 9 For if you publicly declare with your mouth t h a t J e s u s i s L o r d ( n o t e : " K y r i o s" ) , ================================================= and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declarationn for salvation. 11 For the scripture says: “No one who rests h i s f a i t h o n h i m will be disappointed.” 12 For there is n o d i s t i n c t i o n b e t w e e n J e w a n d G r e e k . =============================================== T h e r e i s t h e s a m e L o r d (" n o t e : " K y r i o s " ) o v e r a l l , ============================================================= ====================================================================== who is rich toward* all those calling on him. 13 F o r “ e v e r y o n e w h o c a l l s o n t h e n a m e o f J e h o v a (note: g r e e k : " K y r i o s" ) =================================================================================== will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith i n h i m a b o u t w h o m t h e y h a v e n o t h e a r d ? ================================================== How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?
Matt I’m glad you took notes, but I believe you’re understanding the position of the Church. First, I don’t believe every single church is right. There are false churches and false denominations. Some get this absurd idea of exclusivity, and they are wrong and have gone apostate. You are committing and generalization fallacy. Because one group committed the act, therefor all are guilty. Bodies of believers who have strayed away from scripture or are engaged in sin. Jesus warned there would be people like this, so it’s to be expected. JW’s and mainstream Christianity are not United on the essentials of the faith. We believe in a different God, different Jesus and different Gospel. The version of Christ they teach can not save you, as he’s from the imagination of men you’re commanded to put your trust in. So far you and others have claimed I’ve lied or misrepresented JW’s in the content, but haven’t given me one example. My main point, was that no where in scripture does God say we must join and organization to be saved. If you can provide me a verse in scripture on that, I’ll post it in the comments and say I was wrong.
to your comment ================ The irony about making such a big deal over this, is that Christendom is part of B a b y l o n t h e G r e a t . Which in turn is part of Satan's system of things. (2 Corinthians 4:4). Therefore - logically - millions of so-called "Christians" are under Satanic influence 24/7, seven days a week. --------------------------------------------------------------------- I would advise you to subject the statements in Revelation to a thorough exegesis once again before you accuse your fellow human beings of belonging to the satanic system. According to the testimony in Revelation, the institutions of Babylon the Great have always persecuted the individual true witnesses of Jesus. Revelation 17,5-6 (N W T Study Edition) 5 On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.” 6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and w i t h t h e b l o o d o f t h e w i t n e s s e s o f J e s u s =======================================================i Significantly, in the introduction to Revelation, the apostle John described himself as a Witness of Jesus and not as a Jehovah's Witness. Revelation 1,9 ( N W T Study Edition) 9 John, your brother and a sharer with you in the tribulations and kingdom and endurance i n a s s o c i a t i o n w i t h J e s u s, was on the island called Patʹmos for speaking about God and b e a r i n g w i t n e s s c o n c e r n i n g J e s u s. ============================================== So the target of the attacks of the institutions of Babylon the Great is therefore not the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, but the true witnesses of Jesus. At the end of the last book of the Bible, it is explained that the same group of true witnesses of Jesus will receive the blessings promised by Jesus after his return. Even at this crucial point in Revelation, Jehovah's Witnesses are not mentioned. Revelation 12,17 (N W T Study Edition) 17 So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God and have the work o f b e a r i n g w i t n e s s c o n c e r n i n g J e s u s . ============================================= Revelation 20,4 ( N W T Study Edition) 4 And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were g i v e n a u t h o r i t y t o j u d ge . Yes, I saw the souls* of those executed* f o r t h e w i t n e s s t h e y g a v e a b o u t J e s u s ===================================================== and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand. And they came to life and r u l e d a s k i n g s w i t h t h e C h r i s t f o r 1 , 0 0 0 y e a r s. Question to the Bible teacher ========================= In view of these facts, where does the last Bible book mention the group of "Jehovah's witnesses" will also share in salvation at the end of this era?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I am going to tackle organization in more detail in a few days when I have more time. In the mean time, when you were preparing your video, did you come across (And watch) the 6:18 minute long talk on the website by Gage Fleegle called 'Jehovah organizes his people'?
How dare they misuse Acts 4:12 like that! Acts 4:12 should be used to show the people that they are NOT saved by the name of Jehovah, it is only the name of Jesus that we are saved by! Also Philippians 2:9-11.
Jesus is PROMOTED to a HIGHER POSITION BY GOD. Philippians 2:9. Accepting this position of Jesus brings glory TO GOD. Verse 11. Jesus is God's MEANS for saving. (John 4:34) Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of him who SENT ME and to finish HIS WORK.
@@jimjuri6490 Right, Jesus was speaking about God the Father in John 4:34. God the Father sent his Word to do his work. Jesus is not God the Father, he is God the Word. John 1:1-4. God the Word is OF God, not created by God but OF God himself, that is why Jesus is also called the only BEGOTTEN Son of God. God was manifest in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16 Jesus is the creator, no angel can create anything. God is the only creator. Thomas speaking to Jesus........ John 20:28 King James Version 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Psalm 31:14 King James Version 14 But I trusted in thee, O Lord: I said, Thou art my God.
@@CherylArsenault123 : God is ONLY the Father. There is no other God. At least not for True Worshipers of Jehovah, the God of Jesus and the Bible. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, Jesus calls himself God's only begotten son at John 3:16. Begotten is the past participle of beget. Meaning of BEGET: 1. (especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction. Since God is not involved with a woman to bring his sons into existence, God CREATES them. Since God DIRECTLY created his Firstborn angel son, Jesus is God's ONLY begotten son. The other angel sons came after Jesus and with God working THROUGH Jesus. Colossians 1:16. Sons come into existence BECAUSE they have a father. Please show me where the Bible tells us that Jesus created anything? Here are his own words: John 5:30 I CANNOT DO A SINGLE THING OF MY OWN INITIATIVE;;;;; because I seek, NOT MY OWN WILL, but the will of HIM WHO SENT ME. Are these the words of an Almighty Creator? Jesus is a slave of God. A slave SENT by God on a mission. That is what John 4:34 states. Jesus' own words.
@@jimjuri6490 True worshippers will only believe God's word as it is written and NOT as it is explained by men. God's word is truth. John 17:17 God the Father proclaims that the only name that saves is the name of JESUS. He commands that we only listen to his only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Word of God. The Lord Jesus Christ is the SAVIOR of the world. Not some organization of men that make business deals with the god of this world. Isaiah 43:11 King James Version 11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. Luke 2:11 King James Version 11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. John 4:42 King James Version 42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. Ephesians 5:23 King James Version 23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. And so many more!
TRIPLE PROOF IN THE NWT THAT JESUS IS JEHOVAH: “then hear in heaven, Your dwelling place, and forgive and act, and give to each in accordance with all his ways, whose heart You know-for You ❗️***ALONE*** ❗️know the hearts of all mankind-” 1 Kings 8:39 That says Jehovah **ALONE** knows the hearts of all mankind. God doubles down and makes that fact very clear by repeating it: “deal with everyone according to all they do, since you know their hearts (for you❗️ **ALONE**❗️ know the human heart),” 2 Chronicles 6:30 Jesus says: “the Son of God says… I am the ❗️ **ONE** ❗️who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.” Revelation 2:18… 23 Jesus doesn’t say he’s one of two beings who does that - he says he’s the **ONE** being who does that. That means Jesus is Jehovah. Also: “Jesus **DISCERNED** **BY** **HIS** **SPIRIT** that they were reasoning that way among themselves, so he said to them: “Why are you REASONING THESE THINGS **IN** **YOUR** **HEARTS** ?”” Mark 2:8 NWT That means Jesus is Jehovah. *BOTH* Revelation 2:23 and Mark 2:8 mean Jesus is Jehovah. A JW might try to say God either told Jesus what they were thinking or gave Jesus the ability to do that - but that’s NOT what Revelation 2:23 and Mark 2:8 say. They say He does it by HIS Spirit and that he’s the **ONE** being who does that. Also, there is yet another scripture which explicitly says Jesus didn’t need anyone to tell him because he himself knows: “But Jesus, on His part, was not entrusting Himself to them, because He knew all people, and because HE DID NOT NEED ANYONE TO TESTIFY ABOUT MANKIND, FOR HE HIMSELF KNEW WHAT WAS IN MANKIND.” John 2:24-25
Even more evidence and confirmation for this: “Jehovah-knows the thoughts of man,” Psalm 94:11 ““I, the Lord, search the heart, I test the mind, To give to each person according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds.” Jeremiah 17:10 “Jehovah searches all hearts and understands every plan and thought.” 1 Chronicles 28:9 Who searches the heart and tests the mind? Answer: Jehovah. Who gives each person according to his deeds? Answer: Jehovah. In Revelation, Jesus speaks: ““And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and feet like burnished bronze, says this: … “…all the churches will know that I am the One who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.” Revelation 2:18 and 2:23 That says Jesus is the one who searches minds and hearts AND the one who gives each one according to their deeds. -- And yet even more confirmation: We know Jesus is called ‘THE WORD OF GOD’ from John 1 and Revelation 19:11-16. Knowing that, read: “For THE WORD OF GOD is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, even penetrating as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from **HIS** sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of **HIM** to whom we must answer.” Hebrews 4:12-13 “For the Father judges no one at all, but He has entrusted ALL the judging to the Son,” John 5:22 That says the Father isn’t going to judge ANYONE AT ALL. NO ONE AT ALL. “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then REPAY EVERY PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.” Matthew 16:27 Look again at Hebrews 4: “ “For THE WORD OF GOD is… able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from HIS sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of HIM TO WHOM WE MUST ANSWER.” Hebrews 4:13 That says about the one to whom we must answer (and we know the Father isn’t going to judge anyone so we know this is Jesus) that ALL THINGS are open and laid bare to His eyes - which means he can see inside our hearts - and the Bible says only Jehovah can do that - so that’s a fourth proof that Jesus is Jehovah.
@@SpielbergMichael No. You seem to have overlooked the words in one of your quoted verses, John 5:22 "..He has ENTRUSTED...' Wasn't inherently within Jesus. If the Father didn't entrust, then it wouldn't happen. It's breathtaking the amount of verses you have to willfully ignore to attempt to make the case that because scripture says Jehovah does something, and another verse says Jesus does it, that they are the same. Why are Christendom adherents always attracted to the most fantastical (Though least plausible) interpretation of things, like little kids? Examples showing how beholden Jesus is to his Father for his powers and authority: "..God MADE HIM both Lord and Christ.." (Acts 2:36) "..All authority has BEEN GIVEN ME in heaven and on the earth." (Matthew 28:18) "..you gave them to me.." (John 17:6) "..whom he APPOINTED heir of all things.." (Hebrews 1:2) "..so HE HAS GRANTED also to the Son...And he has GIVEN HIM AUTHORITY.." (John 5:26.27) "..God EXHALTED HIM to a superior position, and... GAVE HIM the name that is above every other name," (Philippians 2:9) "For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak." (John 12:49) If you have something, or I have something, we can use it, or we can lend it or give it away, right? So too can God. We have it in verse. (Daniel 4:17)
@@mattgardiner614Hi Matt, God bless you! It’s nice to hear from you. I was waiting for any JW to address my comment. So I was very glad to hear from a JW, and personally pleased/glad it was you (because I’m fond of you, I like you). But your response and the verses you cite don’t address any of the substance of my comments. NOTHING you say contradicts or has anything to do with what my comments were about. You are quoting verses which have nothing to do with the things I talked about and no bearing on the matter and don’t in the least contradict anything in my comments. What you wrote isn’t a weak argument - it’s not even an argument - it’s just a lot of words typed out which have nothing to do with anything I said. Your ‘response’ was obviously and transparently just empty rhetoric - you tried to sound knowledgeable and haughty, but if you had a cogent argument you would have given it, but you don’t have anything so all you do is type out some irrelevant verses which have nothing to do with the substance of my comments. And I didn’t ignore ‘entrust’ - I quoted and typed that out - it says the Father entrusted all judgement to Jesus. It says absolutely NOTHING about entrusting or giving the ability to know what’s in hearts. It doesn’t mention anything about that at all. That is a very desperate flailing attempt. Please address my argument and the meaning of the verses I quoted. But of course you won’t be able to find anything in the Bible to contradict what I showed it clearly says. If you could, the Bible would be contradicting itself, and it never does that. So I didn’t ignore anything - you on the other hand ignore what Jesus said very clearly in Revelation 2:23 that he is “THE ONE” who searches hearts. He doesn’t say he’s 1 of 2 beings who can do that. You also ignore that Jesus is deliberately and specifically echoing Jeremiah 17:10 (which is about Jehovah) and deliberately and purposefully applying it to Himself. But sadly, I’m not surprised you ignore these things because I’ve discussed things with you at length before and you make it very clear that the Bible is not your highest authority and that you put the Watchtower higher than the Word of God - so whenever the Word of God clearly contradicts the Watchtower, your allegiance is with the Watchtower and you ignore and deny what the Word of God plainly says. That is beyond sad.
@@SpielbergMichael Well, I think it has everything to do with it. Your contention being - as is clear from the scriptures you use to try to make your case - that if a verse attributes a special ability to God, and another verse attributes the same ability to Jesus, that it must be they are the same. But this time I'll address your verses. (I like you too, by-the-way😄) Knowing the hearts of mankind. You are failing spectacularly to connect the dots here. Verses that say God does something. Even verses that say he "alone" does it. - Verses that I provided which show Jehovah has GIVEN Jesus certain powers and responsibilities - And, so now, low-and-behold, verses that show Jesus has certain powers and responsibilities. Revelation 2:23 doesn't even say 'I ALONE'. It says "I am the one...". Verse 23 ends: "I will give to you individually according to your deeds." HELLO! John 5:22 "He has ENTRUSTED all the JUDGING to the Son". If he has entrusted all the judging to the Son, he will make sure that he is equipped to do the job. I'm not sure if you are trying to claim that in Mark 2:8, Jesus knew by HIS holy spirit, and that is the angle you are using to equate Father and Son in this instance. But just in case you are, I checked on biblegateway, and only 2 translations infer by wording or spelling that they think that. BRG -"Spirit" (Capitalized S) and WYC "Holy Ghost". 15 other translations don't mention spirit at all, but say "..knew what they were thinking.." or words to that effect. (CEB, CEV, ERV, GW, GNT, ICB, PHILLIPS, TLB, NOC, NABRE, NCB, NIRV, NLV, NLT, VOICE) Have you never known what someone, or even a group of people were thinking? How much more so the one who helped Jehovah create us in the first place. (Genesis 1:26) The one who was "especially fond of the sons of men." (Proverbs 8:31) The same reasoning takes care of John 2:24,25.
@@mattgardiner614Hello again Matt, May God bless you and your loved ones abundantly! Thank you for your kind words. And I too really only wish you the very best. Ok, as for what you just said: >> Verses that I provided which show Jehovah has GIVEN Jesus certain powers and responsibilities No one is disputing that the Bible in places explicitly tells us that God the Father has given Jesus certain things. But **NOWHERE** does it say Jesus is given the ability to know human hearts. If there was such a verse I’m sure you would quote it - but there isn’t one. I’m not talking about other things given to Jesus by God - those are all immaterial and irrelevant to this discussion. It’s just empty rhetoric to try to cloud the issue with irrelevancies. >> Revelation 2:23 doesn't even say 'I ALONE'. It says "I am the one...". How many does ‘THE **one** ‘ who does something mean? Does it mean there are others who do that thing as well? No, it doesn’t. That’s exactly why I quote Revelation 2:23 - because it’s crystal clear and incontestable. You are blatantly ignoring what it blatantly states. >> John 5:22 "He has ENTRUSTED all the JUDGING to the Son". If he has entrusted all the judging to the Son, he will make sure that he is equipped to do the job. Sorry, that’s just your assertion and an obvious insertion/addition to the text. The text doesn’t say anything like that. If I entrust you to do a job for me, that in absolutely in no way inherently necessitates that I give you every ability necessary to do that task. That’s ridiculous. If I entrusted you to deliver a package to someone, that doesn’t mean I gave you the mind and faculties in order to understand my request or the physical abilities to physically hold and transport the package. Your wild and unsubstantiated addition to the text here is just obvious nonsense. >> I checked on biblegateway, and only 2 translations infer by wording or spelling that they think that. As for your doubting the wording of Mark 2:8 - I deliberately quoted your own NEW WORLD TRANSLATION for this very reason! It’s ironic and laughable that you are trying to refute the official JW ‘translation’ !!!!!!! When I talk about JW beliefs I always limit myself to only ever using verses which say the same thing in the NWT. If you are saying other translations are better and more reliable than the NWT then I am perfectly happy to use other translations - but then this discussion is immediately over because other translations say clearly Jesus is God, and there’s nothing left to discuss. I’d be happy to use the ESV (a literal translation): “And immediately Jesus, **PERCEIVING** **IN** **HIS** **SPIRIT** that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things **IN** **YOUR** **HEARTS** ?” Mark 2:8 ESV or the NASB (another literal translation): “Immediately Jesus, **AWARE** **IN** **HIS** **SPIRIT** **THAT** **THEY** **WERE** **THINKING** that way within themselves, said to them, “Why are you thinking about these things **IN** **YOUR** **HEARTS** ?” Mark 2:8 NASB2020 >> Have you never known what someone, or even a group of people were thinking? Again, this is the weakest response I could imagine from you. I didn’t expect such a weak response. What you are talking about is NOT what the Bible says in multiple places about Jesus. It clearly and incontrovertibly says he is “THE **ONE** “ who has a special ability to see inside human hearts and know what’s in human hearts. And it repeatedly says only Jehovah has this ability and that He ALONE can do that - and in fact Jesus cites one of these Old Testament passages (Jeremiah 17:10) and deliberately applies it to Himself. --- When I discuss with people various things and they give a weak argument I sometimes say “Nice try, but try again’ - but I can’t say that this time because yet again nothing you say has any material connection to or impact upon what the Word of God says about this issue. You haven’t presented any argument, you’ve just responded with inconsequential noise. You are trying to refute what the Bible clearly says. That’s why you can’t use the Bible to refute it - because the Bible doesn’t refute it.
Megpróbál a Sátán mindent hogy elpusztítsa hogy akadályozza Isten szervezetét de semmit nem tud elérni csak saját magát teszi nevetségessé csak egyetlen Isten van és egyetlen igazság és aki ezt nem ismeri föl a szánalmas. “Keressetek kopogtassatok és megnyittatik nektek.”
Sadly these videos I've noticed sets its own criteria and then measures Jehovah's Witnesses by that. In reality who sets the criteria? Isn’t that God himself?... Has God used an organisation in the past? Does the bible make it explicitly clear that we must join an organisation? Genesis shows that the Devil caused a division. Intelligent life in heaven and earth was polarised between accepting Jehovah's ways or not... Genesis 3:1-6 New Living Translation *1The serpent* was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the LORD God had made. One day he asked the woman, “Did God really say you must not eat the fruit from any of the trees in the garden?” *4“You won’t die!” the serpent replied to the woman. 5“God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it, and you will be like God, knowing both good and evil.”* *6The woman was convinced.* She saw that the tree was beautiful and its fruit looked delicious, and she wanted the wisdom it would give her. *So she took some of the fruit and ate it. Then she gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it, too.* Right there we see a spirit being going against God and 2 perfect humans. The bible shows more angels followed and humans... Revelation 12:7-9 New Living Translation 7Then there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels. 8And the dragon lost the battle, and he and his angels were forced out of heaven. *9This great dragon-the ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world-was thrown down to the earth with all his angels.* So the bible clearly shows 2 sides...ones for Jehovah and ones against him. 1 John 3:10 New Living Translation *So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil.* Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God. Is that separation maintained throughout the bible? When the nation of Israel came out of Egypt they had to maintain separation from other nations... Exodus 34:15-16 New Living Translation *15“You must not make a treaty of any kind with the people living in the land.* They lust after their gods, offering sacrifices to them. They will invite you to join them in their sacrificial meals, and you will go with them. 16Then you will accept their daughters, who sacrifice to other gods, as wives for your sons. And *they will seduce your sons to commit adultery against me by worshiping other gods.* Deuteronomy 32:16-18 New Living Translation *16They stirred up his jealousy by worshiping foreign gods;* they provoked his fury with detestable deeds. *17They offered sacrifices to demons, which are not God, to gods they had not known before, to new gods only recently arrived, to gods their ancestors had never feared.* 18You neglected the Rock who had fathered you; you forgot the God who had given you birth. When the Israelites failed to listen to Jehovah and associated with the other nations, see who they fell victim to? Demons/angels that rebelled against God. And notice how religion was involved...false gods were worshipped. *So religion is a massive way demons mislead people.* Did Jesus show the separation still existed in his day? John 8:39-45 New Living Translation 39“Our father is Abraham!” they declared. *“No,” Jesus replied, “for if you were really the children of Abraham, you would follow his example.*h 40Instead, *you are trying to kill me because I told you the truth, which I heard from God.* Abraham never did such a thing. 41No, you are imitating your real father.” They replied, “We aren’t illegitimate children! God himself is our true Father.” *42Jesus told them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, because I have come to you from God. I am not here on my own, but he sent me.* 43Why can’t you understand what I am saying? It’s because you can’t even hear me! *44For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him.* When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies. *45So when I tell the truth, you just naturally don’t believe me!* The Jewish nation and religion had been impacted by wicked spirits/angels so much that the nation ended up killing God's own Son from heaven - The one sent to help them. Mark 1:32-39 New Living Translation 32That evening after sunset, *many sick and demon-possessed people were brought to Jesus.* 33The whole town gathered at the door to watch. 34So Jesus healed many people who were sick with various diseases, *and he cast out many demons.* But because the demons knew who he was, he did not allow them to speak. 39So *he traveled throughout the region of Galilee, preaching in the synagogues and casting out demons.* With the appearance of Jesus Jehovah then stopped using Israel/The Jews/The law arrangement. Christianity took over and everyone had to join that arrangement. Acts 2:36-38 New Living Translation 36“So let everyone in Israel know for certain that *God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”* 37Peter’s words pierced their hearts, and they said to him and to the other apostles, *“Brothers, what should we do?”* *38Peter replied, “Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.* Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. It was foretold that even Christianity would gradually be impacted by demons for a time. But close to the end true would separate from false... 1 Timothy 4:1 New Living Translation *Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.* Matthew 13:37-41 New Living Translation 37Jesus replied, “The Son of Mand is the farmer who plants the good seed. 38The field is the world, and the good seed represents the people of the Kingdom. *The weeds are the people who belong to the evil one. 39The enemy who planted the weeds among the wheat is the devil.* The harvest is the end of the world,e and the harvesters are the angels. 40“Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, *so it will be at the end of the world. 41The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.* Jesus made it clear that his people would support and focus on preaching about the kingdom (Gods side) and would survive the coming war. That preaching separates people... Matthew 24:14 New Living Translation *14And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nationsc will hear it; and then the end will come.* 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 New Living Translation 7And God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted and also for us when the *Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels,* 8in flaming fire, *bringing judgment on those who don’t know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News* of our Lord Jesus. 9They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power. 10When he comes on that day, he will receive glory from his holy people-praise from all who believe. And this includes you, for you believed what we told you about him. The bible clearly shows that God's people are always linked. *They preach worldwide together to help others choose God's side. That work is not random....it is organised by Jesus himself!* Matthew 28:18-20 New Living Translation *18Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth.* 19Therefore, go and *make disciples of all the nations,b baptizing them* in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. *20Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you.* And be sure of this: *I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”* And notice how Jesus mentioned preaching to "nations". What nation are Christians? They are made up of all nations. So Gods peoole today form a nation in themselves... They must keep separate from but still help people of all nations with knowledge. Nation is more than a land designation. **All true worshippers of Jehovah God are brought together, taught together and work together. That's called an organisation.***
to your comment ================ Matthew 28:18-20 New Living Translation 18Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. 19Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations,b baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. 20Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this: I a m w i t h y o u a l w a ys , e v e n t o t h e e n d o f t h e ag e .” And notice how Jesus mentioned preaching to "nations". What nation are Christians? They are made up of all nations. So Gods peoole today form a nation in themselves... They must keep separate from but still help people of all nations with knowledge. Nation is more than a land designation. *All true worshippers of Jehovah God are brought together, taught together and work together. That's called an organisation.** ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As you study the scriptures, have you not realized that the core doctrine of your organization is in blatant contadiction to Jesus' personal promise to all his true followers? According to Matthew 28:19-20, Jesus assured us before his ascension that he would be with his true followers every day from the founding of the Christian congregation two thousand years ago until the end of this world. Questions to the Bible teacher ============================ 1.) What organization did the Apostles create in the first century? 2.) When was the organization of the Watchtower Society founded? 3.) What organization did the apostles and early disciples of Jesus belong to in the first century?
The New Covenant or the true People of God in the present epoch I encourage you to take note of the following message of the Apostle Peter on this subject. Since when has the modern people of God, who replaced the nation of Israel two thousand years ago, exist? Did God create an earthly organization two thousand years ago as a kind of substitute for the nation of Israel, so to speak, or does God's people in this epoch consist of the individual members of the body of Christ whose admission into the New Covenant has been going on continuously for two thousand years now, and whose members are all called to the royal priesthood? Did the early disciples of Jesus, such as Paul, John, and Peter, belong to the modern people of God that Peter defined in his first letter, or to an organization that was not founded until the end of the 19th century? 1 Peter 2,7-10 ( N W T Study Edition) 7 It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone”* 8 and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed. 9 B u t y o u a r e “ a c h o s e n r a c e , a r o y a l p r i e s t h o o d , a h o l y n a t i o n, a people for ====================================================================================== special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies”* of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 F o r y o u w e r e o n c e n o t a p e o p l e , b u t n o w y o u a r e G o d ’ s p e o p l e ======================================= once you had not been shown mercy, but now you have received mercy.
@@MR-gx3gc Christianity replaced Israel/Jews in God's purpose... That was exactly the point made... Acts 10:34,35 New Living Translation The Gentiles Hear the Good News 34Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that God shows no favoritism. *35In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right.* *36This is the message of Good News for the people of Israel* -that there is peace with God through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all Galatians 3:5,28 New Living Translation 5I ask you again, *does God give you the Holy Spirit and work miracles among you because you obey the law? Of course not! It is because you believe the message you heard about Christ.* *28There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.* Revelation 5:9 New Living Translation And they sang a new song with these words: “You are worthy to take the scroll and break its seals and open it. For you were slaughtered, and *your blood has ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.* Matthew 7:13,14 New International Version The Narrow and Wide Gates 13“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and *broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.* 14But small is the gate and *narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.* Matthew 25:31-33, 46 New Living Translation The Final Judgment 31“But when the Son of Mand comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. *32All the nationse will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.* 33He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left. *46“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”* Revelation 7:9 New Living Translation *After this I saw a vast crowd, too great to count, from every nation and tribe and people and language,* standing in front of the throne and before the Lamb. They were clothed in white robes and held palm branches in their hands. Jesus doesn't select random people for survival on the day of judgment. *The ones who survive are obviously ones that chose to follow him - Christians.* They are collected together and rescued. Luke 21:26-28 New Living Translation 26People will be terrified at what they see coming upon the earth, for the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 27Then everyone will see the Son of Man e coming on a cloud with power and great glory.f *28So when all these things begin to happen, stand and look up, for your salvation is near!”* 2 Thessalonians:6-10 New Living Translation *6In his justice he will pay back those who persecute you. 7And God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted and also for us when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels,* 8in flaming fire, bringing judgment on those who don’t know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus. 9They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power. *10When he comes on that day, he will receive glory from his holy people-praise from all who believe.* And this includes you, for you believed what we told you about him. *Those ones that survive all know each other. They are one united group.* They depend on each other for mutual support as they obey Jesus and preach and teach... Hebrews 10:24,25,32-34 New Living Translation 24Let us think of ways to motivate one another to acts of love and good works. *25And let us not neglect our meeting together,* as some people do, *but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near.* 32Think back on those early days when you first learned about Christ.j Remember how you remained faithful even though it meant terrible suffering. 33Sometimes you were exposed to public ridicule and were beaten, *and sometimes you helped others who were suffering the same things. 34You suffered along with those who were thrown into jail, and when all you owned was taken from you, you accepted it with joy.* You knew there were better things waiting for you that will last forever. **True Christians are a united group of preachers/teachers - An organisation setup to accomplish that work.**
@@mo2874 Unfortunately, you have once again evaded my specific question, although it would be your duty to take a firm position on my question, since you appear in public as a certified Bible teacher. For this reason, it seems necessary to recall the following message of the Apostle Peter in his first letter. Accordingly, the apostle Peter defined God's people today, who replaced the nation of Israel under the Mosaic covenant two thousand years ago, as follows. 1 Peter 2,7-10 ( N W T Study Edition) 7 It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone”* 8 and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed. 9 B u t y o u a r e “ a c h o s e n r a c e , a r o y a l p r i e s t h o o d , a h o l y n a t i o n, a people for ====================================================================================== special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies”* of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 F o r y o u w e r e o n c e n o t a p e o p l e , b u t n o w y o u a r e G o d ’ s p e o p l e ======================================= once you had not been shown mercy, but now you have received mercy. How do you answer the following highly legitimate questions from a Bible student in the context of a regular Bible study? Questions to the Bible scholar ========================= 1.) Since when has the people of God, as defined by Peter in his first letter, exist? 2.) Did the first Christians, such as Peter and Paul, also belong to this people of God? 3.) According to the official teaching of the Watchtower Society, do you and your confreres also belong to this people of God defined by Peter, who are called to the royal priesthood?
@@MR-gx3gc Again, I don't owe you an answer to any question you ask. Remember, you're commenting on my comment. Plus you don't want to understand truth, you want to hate on Jehovah's Witnesses. Anyone with half an open mind would see that Jehovah's Witnesses as an organisation have a deep respect for Jehovah and his word the bible... it's beyond question. Their lives revolve around learning and preaching/teaching the bible. What other organisation can you say that about?... No other group (Christian or otherwise) have been consistent for over 100 years like Jehovah's Witnesses. *Every member is expected to do what they can to help others learn about Jehovah and the bible...* John 15:14-17 New Living Translation *14You are my friends if you do what I command.* 15I no longer call you slaves, because a master doesn’t confide in his slaves. Now you are my friends, since I have told you everything the Father told me. 16You didn’t choose me. I chose you. *I appointed you to go and produce lasting fruit,* so that the Father will give you whatever you ask for, using my name. *17This is my command: Love each other.* Jehovah's Witnesses love others by teaching them. They love oneanother and others by not involving themselves in armed conflicts or terrorist activities. The worst we do is cut off association from members who refused to hold to God's standards that they agree to.... and that's only until they change their ways... *I love Jehovah's Witnesses. If everyone was like them the world would be unrecognisable. It would be like what happened when the Israelites really followed Gods ways in the time of Solomon...* 1 Kings 4:25 New Living Translation *During the lifetime of Solomon, all of Judah and Israel lived in peace and safety.* And from Dan in the north to Beersheba in the south, each family had its own home and garden.
I have content on Mormons. Plus there are bigger channels that attack the LDS and WMSCOG, not to mention the hundreds of channels with millions of followers that attack mainstream Christianity or the Catholic Church. Are they now the truth because of “persecution”? Also Paul was persecuting the Jews when he told them they were wrong, Ignatius wasn’t persecuting the gnostics when he corrected them. I don’t respect false gospels, and neither did Paul, ( Galatians 1)
@@leopoldocastillon4129 nah I literally mean Jehovah's witnesses. See Australian royal commission. Pennsylvania 16 . Etc. CSA settlements using holy funds.
If GOD is three persons and all are named JEHOVAH, and if you see them in front of you, count one by one, how MANY JEHOVAH do you see? that is THREE JEHOVAH, and Deut 6:4 says JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH. and THAT IS NOT THREE JEHOVAH
to your more than disturbing commentary ==================================== U N D E R S T A N D T H E S E and y o u a r e s t u c k a g a i n like a blind robot - P A S - P A N T A - A L L O T H E R f o r P A S - New King James Version And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things? New American Standard Bible And Jesus responded and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans just because they have suffered this fate? NASB 1995 And Jesus said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate? NASB 1977 And He answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered this fate? Legacy Standard Bible And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered these things? Amplified Bible Jesus replied to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans because they have suffered in this way? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately, it is necessary to teach you once again like a schoolchild in elementary school. Firstly, you've forfeited any authority to call me a robot after you're the one notorious for your stereotypical repetition of comments. Secondly, it is inadmissible to answer a specific question with an evasive counter-question. Thirdly, it is a matter of style to take the trouble to indicate the source of a Bible text for the recipient of your message; a procedure that you obviously consider dispensable. Fourthly, you should structure your comments transparently for the recipient of your message. Fifthly, it is indispensable to subject a biblical text to a coherent exegesis. Luke 13.2 (ESV) 2 And he answered them, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than a l l ("panta") the o t h e r (" p a r a " ) Galileans, because they suffered in this way? The appropriate translation for the word "para" can be found in the following explanations in Bible Hub. Biblehub Strong 3844 ====================== para: from beside, by the side of, by, beside ===================================== Original Word: παρά Part of Speech: Preposition Transliteration: para Phonetic Spelling: (par-ah') Definition: from beside, by the side of, by, beside Usage: gen: from; dat: beside, in the presence of; acc: alongside of. Question to the Bible scholar ========================= Does the word "para" appear in the following two scriptures in addition to the word "panta"? John 1,3 ( ESV) A l l t h i n g s ( " p a n t a" ) were made through him, and w i t h o u t h i m was n o t a n y t h i n g made that =========================================================================================== was made. Colossians 1,16 ( ESV) 16 For by him a l l t h i n g s (" p a n t a " ) w e r e c r e a t e d , in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities- a l l t h i n g s ( " p a n t a" ) w e r e c r e a t e d t h r o u g h h i m and for him. =====================================================
@@MR-gx3gcHebrew word for God is Elohim, which is plural. Hebrew word for Yahweh is YHWH . Jehovah is not found in ANY manuscripts. It’s not until LXX that we get Jehovah.
Ezekiel 34:23 I will raise up one shepherd over them, my servant David, and he will feed them. He himself will feed them and become THEIR SHEPHERD. 24 And I, Jehovah, will become their God, and my servant David a chieftain among them. I myself, Jehovah, have spoken. Jesus' sheep belong to one united organization. Believing and teaching one and the same truth. 1 Corinthians 1:10. Revelation 18;4. When God warns those who genuinely love him to get out of false religion, where do these go to? Sit at home and twiddle their thumbs? Or to the one organization God has set up. The one carrying out God's Will in an organized way.
Jehovah's people have always rallied round a point... *Jehovah always had human leaders to help them...* Exodus 32:26 New Living Translation So he stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, *“All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come here and join me.”* And all the Levites gathered around him. American Standard Version then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, *Whoso is on Jehovah's side, let him come unto me.* And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him. Joshua 24:15 Aramaic Bible in Plain English And if it is evil in your eyes to serve LORD JEHOVAH, *choose for yourselves today whom you serve, if the gods that your fathers served at the crossing of the river, or the gods of the Amorites* where you dwell in their land, *but I and the children of my household, we serve LORD JEHOVAH; he is God!”* 1 Kings 18:21 American Standard Version And Elijah came near unto all the people, and said, *How long go ye limping between the two sides? if Jehovah be God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him.* And the people answered him not a word. 2 Kings 10:15,16 New Living Translation 15When Jehu left there, he met Jehonadab son of Recab, who was coming to meet him. After they had greeted each other, Jehu said to him, “Are you as loyal to me as I am to you?” “Yes, I am,” Jehonadab replied. “If you are,” Jehu said, “then give me your hand.” So Jehonadab put out his hand, and Jehu helped him into the chariot. *16Then Jehu said, “Now come with me, and see how devoted I am to the LORD.”* So Jehonadab rode along with him. American Standard Version *16And he said, Come with me, and see my zeal for Jehovah.* So they made him ride in his chariot. John 3:14-17 New Living Translation 14And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, *15so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.f* 16“For this is how God loved the world: He gaveg his one and only Son, *so that everyone who believes in him* will not perish but have eternal life. 17God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him. Jesus said in his absence there would be a Servant designated to look after his followers... Matthew 24:44-46 New Living Translation 44You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected. *45“A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them.* *46If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job,* there will be a reward. 47I tell you the truth, *the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns.* **The question is has Jesus returned? If No, there is a servant...if Yes, there is a servant...** Jesus stated there would be a human source of guidance from the point his left till he returned...there was no mention of no oversight... John 20:20,21 Amplified Bible 20After He said this, He showed them His hands and His side. When the disciples saw the Lord, they were filled with great joy. *21Then Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you [as My representatives].”* John 21:17 New Living Translation A third time he asked him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt that Jesus asked the question a third time. He said, “Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you.” *Jesus said, “Then feed my sheep.* Ephesians 4:7-13 New Living Translation 7However, he has given each one of us a special gifta through the generosity of Christ. 8That is why the Scriptures say, *“When he ascended to the heights, he led a crowd of captives and gave gifts to his people.”b* 9Notice that it says “he ascended.” This clearly means that Christ also descended to our lowly world.c 10And the same one who descended is the one who ascended higher than all the heavens, so that he might fill the entire universe with himself. *11Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.* *12Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ.* 13This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ. *Notice those men, Apostles etc were given the responsibility of building up the BODY of Christ* ...his followers. *So they are over the body of Christian members - A GOVERNING body....* **And Jesus had said human oversight would be there till his return and their responsibilities expanded still further...*** So WHO is that human Servant/Governing body today????
to your comment =================== Notice those men, Apostles etc were given the responsibility of building up the BODY of Christ ... his followers. So they are over the body of Christian members - A GOVERNING body.... And Jesus had said human oversight would be there till his return and their responsibilities expanded still further...* So W H O i s t h a t h u m a n S e r v a n t / G o v e r n i n g b o d y t o d a y ? ? ? ? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your remarks reveal to viewers on this channel in a frightening way that you have not internalized the true meaning of the apostle Paul's message in his letter to the Ephesians. Moreover, it is impossible that there was a governing body for Christian congregations in the first century, since Jesus Christ left the following unequivocal command to all his followers before his ascension. Matthew 23:8-12 ( N W T Study Edition) 8 But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher a n d a l l o f y o u a r e b r o t h e r s ===================================. 9 Moreover, d o n o t c a l l a n y o n e y o u r f a t h e r o n e a r t h , for one is your Father,i the heavenly One. 10 N e i t h e r b e c a l l e d l e a d e r s , f o r y o u r L e a d e r i s o n e , t h e C h r i s t . ================================================================================== 11 But the greatest one among you must be your minister. 12 W h o e v e r e x a l t s h i m s e l f w i l l b e h u m b l e d , and whoever humbles himself will be exalted. ====================================================== Consequently, Jesus declared it inadmissible for any of his followers to appropriate the title of a leading or even ruling or governing class within the Brotherhood, since such a title and the position associated with it are reserved exclusively for Jesus Christ. In addition, Jesus instructed his apostles to proclaim the gospel he entrusted to them original orally and to immortalize it in their writings. For this reason, all the writings of the New Testament date from the first century. Since then, no further writings have been added to these writings, because the Gospel recorded in them no longer needs to be revised or modified. Galatians 1:6-9 ( N W T Study Edition) 6 I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from the One who called you with Christ's undeserved kindness to another sort of good news. 7 N o t t h a t t h e r e i s a n o t h e r g o o d n e w s ; but there are certain ones who are causing you troubleh and ================================================= wanting to distort the good news about the Christ. 8 H o w e v e r , e v e n i f w e o r a n a n g e l o u t o f h e a v e n were to declare to you as good news something ====================================================== beyond the good news we declared to you, l e t h i m b e a c c u r s e d. 9 As we have said before, I now say again, W h o e v e r i s d e c l a r i n g t o y o u a s g o o d n e w s ==================================================== s o m e t h i n g b e y o n d w h a t y o u a c c e p t e d , l e t h i m b e a c c u r s e d . =========================== 1 Corinthians 15:1-3 ( N W T Study Edition) 1 Now I remind you, brothers, of t h e g o o d n e w s t h a t I d e c l a r e d t o y o u , ============================== w h i c h y o u a l s o a c c e p t e d , a n d f o r which you have taken your stand. 2 T h r o u g h i t y o u a r e a l s o b e i n g s a v e d ================================================ i f y o u h o l d f i r m l y t o t h e g o o d n e w s =============================================== I d e c l a r e d t o y o u , ======================== u n l e s s y o u b e c a m e b e l i e v e r s f o r n o t h i n g. Acts 20,17- 21 ( N W T Study Edition) 17 However, from Mi·leʹtus he sent word to Ephʹe·sus and called for the elders of the congregation. 18 When they came to him, he said to them: "You well know how I conducted myself among you from the first day I stepped into the province of Asia, 19 slaving for the Lord with all humility and with tears and trials that befell me by the plots of the Jews, 20 w h i l e I n o t h o l d b a c k f r o m t e l l i n g y o u ===================================================== a n y o f t h e t h i n g s t h a t w e r e p r o f i t a b l e * ======================================================= nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house. 21 But I thoroughly bore witness both to Jews and to Greeks about repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus. For this reason, Paul also admonished his confreres several times that they are obliged to hold fast to the message he preached in the 1st century. Questions to the Bible scholar ========================= 1.) In which of their writings did the Apostles refer to themselves as members of a "Governing Body" to their confreres? 2.) Where in the New Testament is it foretold that Jesus would appoint other apostles in addition to the apostles he personally called in the 1st century? 3.) Did Paul explain in his writings that Christ's followers must hold fast to his teachings and messages, or that they should be receptive to a modified gospel in the future? 4.) Does the Governing Body obey the Apostle Paul's command not to accept gold and silver from his confreres, and does its conduct conform to the Apostle Paul's principle: "It is more blessed to give than to receive"? Acts 20,31- 35 ( N W T Study Edition) 31 "Therefore keep awake, and bear in mind that for three years, night and day, I never stopped admonishing each one of you with tears. 32 And now I entrust you to God and to the word of his undeserved kindness, which word can build you up and give you the inheritance among all the sanctified ones. 33 I h a v e d e s i r e d n o m a n ' s s i l v e r o r g o l d o r c l o t h i n g . ====================================================================== 34 Y o u y o u r s e l v e s k n o w t h a t t h e s e h a n d s h a v e p r o v i d e d f o r m y o w n n e e d s ============================================================================================== a n d t h e n e e d s o f t h o s e w i t h m e . 35 I have shown you in all things that by working hard in this way, you must assist those who are weak and must keep in mind the words of the Lord Jesus, when he himself said: ' T h e r e i s m o r e h a p p i n e s s i n g i v i n g t h a n t h e r e i s i n r e c e i v i n g . ’ ==============================================================================”
Questions to the Bible scholar ========================= 1.) In which of their writings did the Apostles refer to themselves as members of a "Governing Body" to their confreres? 2.) Where in the New Testament is it foretold that Jesus would appoint other apostles in addition to the apostles he personally called in the 1st century? 3.) Did Paul explain in his writings that Christ's followers must hold fast to his teachings and messages, or that they should be receptive to a modified gospel in the future? 4.) Does the Governing Body obey the Apostle Paul's command not to accept gold and silver from his confreres, and does its conduct conform to the Apostle Paul's principle: "It is more blessed to give than to receive"? Acts 20,31- 35 ( N W T Study Edition) 31 "Therefore keep awake, and bear in mind that for three years, night and day, I never stopped admonishing each one of you with tears. 32 And now I entrust you to God and to the word of his undeserved kindness, which word can build you up and give you the inheritance among all the sanctified ones. 33 I h a v e d e s i r e d n o m a n ' s s i l v e r o r g o l d o r c l o t h i n g . ====================================================================== 34 Y o u y o u r s e l v e s k n o w t h a t t h e s e h a n d s h a v e p r o v i d e d f o r m y o w n n e e d s ============================================================================================== a n d t h e n e e d s o f t h o s e w i t h m e . 35 I have shown you in all things that by working hard in this way, you must assist those who are weak and must keep in mind the words of the Lord Jesus, when he himself said: ' T h e r e i s m o r e h a p p i n e s s i n g i v i n g t h a n t h e r e i s i n r e c e i v i n g . ’ ==============================================================================”
@@MR-gx3gc I'll reply one time to your comments on the basic of showing *how intent you are on showing Jehovah’s Witnesses are wrong...rather than wanting truth to be known* .... First "Governing Body" is a recognised term for ones in oversight...it doesn’t have to be designated in scripture. However scripturally it holds true... *A governing body is a group of people that has the authority to exercise governance over an organization* or political entity. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governing_body 1 Corinthians 12:12,13 New Living Translation One Body with Many Parts 12The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. *So it is with the body of Christ. 13Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles,e some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body* by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.f 27All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it. *28Here are some of the parts God has appointed* for the church: *first are apostles,*second are prophets, third are teachers, then those who do miracles, those who have the gift of healing, those who can help others, *those who have the gift of leadership,* those who speak in unknown languages. Acts 15:6,23 New Living Translation *The Council at Jerusalem* 6So the apostles and elders met together to resolve this issue. 23This is the letter they took with them: *“This letter is from the apostles and elders, your brothers in Jerusalem.* It is written to the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia. Greetings! Why would the Christian congregation start with oversight and then suddenly not have any as time progressed? And bare in mind Christianity would spread and increase....requiring more oversight not less... Titus 1:5 New Living Translation I left you on the island of Crete so you could complete our work there and *appoint elders in each town as I instructed you.* 1 Timothy 3:1,2 New Living Translation Leaders in the Church 1This is a trustworthy saying: *“If someone aspires to be a church leader,a he desires an honorable position.”* 2So a church leader must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife. Next you state the Apostles did not have financial support. You gave a scripture to support this ...but you used it out of context. Acts 20:33-35 New Living Translation *33“I have never coveted anyone’s silver or gold or fine clothes. 34You know that these hands of mine have worked to supply my own needs* and even the needs of those who were with me. *35And I have been a constant example of how you can help those in need by working hard.* You should remember the words of the Lord Jesus: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’” However, *Paul was entitled to material support but on occasion chose not to accept it. In his position and role he was entitled to support...* 1 Corinthians 9:3-12 New Living Translation 3This is my answer to those who question my authority.a *4Don’t we have the right to live in your homes and share your meals?* 5Don’t we have the right to bring a believing wifeb with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peterc does? 6Or is it only Barnabas and I who have to work to support ourselves? *7What soldier has to pay his own expenses? What farmer plants a vineyard and doesn’t have the right to eat some of its fruit? What shepherd cares for a flock of sheep and isn’t allowed to drink some of the milk?* 8Am I expressing merely a human opinion, or does the law say the same thing? 9For the law of Moses says, “You must not muzzle an ox to keep it from eating as it treads out the grain.”d Was God thinking only about oxen when he said this? *10Wasn’t he actually speaking to us? Yes, it was written for us, so that the one who plows and the one who threshes the grain might both expect a share of the harvest.* 11Since we have planted spiritual seed among you, aren’t we entitled to a harvest of physical food and drink? *12If you support others who preach to you, shouldn’t we have an even greater right to be supported? But we have never used this right.* We would rather put up with anything than be an obstacle to the Good News about Christ. Acts 4:34-37 New Living Translation 34There were no needy people among them, because those who owned land or houses would sell them *35and bring the money to the apostles to give to those in need.* 36For instance, there was Joseph, the one the apostles nicknamed Barnabas (which means “Son of Encouragement”). He was from the tribe of Levi and came from the island of Cyprus. *37He sold a field he owned and brought the money to the apostles.*
I'll reply one time to your comments on the basis of showing *how intent you are on showing Jehovah’s Witnesses are wrong...rather than wanting truth to be known* .... First "Governing Body" is a recognised term for ones in oversight...it doesn’t have to be designated in scripture. However, scripturally it holds true... *A governing body is a group of people that has the authority to exercise governance over an organization* or political entity. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governing_body 1 Corinthians 12:12,13 New Living Translation One Body with Many Parts 12The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. *So it is with the body of Christ. 13Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles,e some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body* by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.f 27All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it. *28Here are some of the parts God has appointed* for the church: *first are apostles,* second are prophets, third are teachers, then those who do miracles, those who have the gift of healing, those who can help others, *those who have the gift of leadership,* those who speak in unknown languages. Acts 15:6,23 New Living Translation *The Council at Jerusalem* 6So the apostles and elders met together to resolve this issue. 23This is the letter they took with them: *“This letter is from the apostles and elders, your brothers in Jerusalem.* It is written to the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia. Greetings! Why would the Christian congregation start with oversight and then suddenly not have any as time progressed? And bare in mind Christianity would spread and increase....requiring more oversight not less. Titus 1:5 New Living Translation I left you on the island of Crete so you could complete our work there and *appoint elders in each town as I instructed you.* 1 Timothy 3:1,2 New Living Translation Leaders in the Church 1This is a trustworthy saying: *“If someone aspires to be a church leader,a he desires an honorable position.”* 2So a church leader must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife. Next you state the Apostles did not request money. You gave a scripture to support this ...but you used it out of context. Acts 20:33-35 New Living Translation *33“I have never coveted anyone’s silver or gold or fine clothes. 34You know that these hands of mine have worked to supply my own needs* and even the needs of those who were with me. *35And I have been a constant example of how you can help those in need by working hard.* You should remember the words of the Lord Jesus: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’” However, Paul was entitled to material support but on occasion chose not to accept it... 1 Corinthians 9:3-12 New Living Translation 3This is my answer to those who question my authority.a *4Don’t we have the right to live in your homes and share your meals?* 5Don’t we have the right to bring a believing wifeb with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peterc does? 6Or is it only Barnabas and I who have to work to support ourselves? *7What soldier has to pay his own expenses? What farmer plants a vineyard and doesn’t have the right to eat some of its fruit? What shepherd cares for a flock of sheep and isn’t allowed to drink some of the milk?* 8Am I expressing merely a human opinion, or does the law say the same thing? 9For the law of Moses says, “You must not muzzle an ox to keep it from eating as it treads out the grain.”d Was God thinking only about oxen when he said this? *10Wasn’t he actually speaking to us? Yes, it was written for us, so that the one who plows and the one who threshes the grain might both expect a share of the harvest.* 11Since we have planted spiritual seed among you, aren’t we entitled to a harvest of physical food and drink? *12If you support others who preach to you, shouldn’t we have an even greater right to be supported? But we have never used this right.* We would rather put up with anything than be an obstacle to the Good News about Christ. Acts 4:34-37 New Living Translation 34There were no needy people among them, because those who owned land or houses would sell them *35and bring the money to the apostles to give to those in need.* 36For instance, there was Joseph, the one the apostles nicknamed Barnabas (which means “Son of Encouragement”). He was from the tribe of Levi and came from the island of Cyprus. *37He sold a field he owned and brought the money to the apostles.*
False! Daniel was born a jew in the nation of Israel b4 it was taken over by babylon for false worship and they were exiled.. . He was part of the nation and that's why 70 yrs later when the prophecy of the nation's return was fulfilled he was given an angelic visitor as he was to old to make to journey back to Jerusalem. You my man don't have your facts straight , therefore a liar! People want to hate on JWs but I just don't get it . .
I said he was part of the nation of Israel. . In the video you said he was not, Daniel was not part of the nation cause he was in babylon and lived there. He was still an Israelite by birth and only followed babylonian law if it didn't interfere with what he vowed to God as an Israelite. . So your wrong in using Daniel
@@suntzu7691 He was an Israeli by birthright obviously, but that's a nation and an ethnic people, not an org, and by the way a corrupt nation at the time, hence why Daniel was in Babylon. Also, I said he wasn't IN Israel, nor was he associated with an organization. Both true. He was IN Babylon. He was not hanging out with representatives from Israel under their direction. If JW's want to make the Israel just like the Org, it can't work, since that was a race of people. You can be an Israeli, without being in Israel. For JW's, you must be IN the org.
@@suntzu7691 I encourage you to take note of the following message of the Apostle Peter on this subject. Since when has the modern people of God, who replaced the nation of Israel two thousand years ago, exist? Did God create an earthly organization two thousand years ago as a kind of substitute for the nation of Israel, so to speak, or does God's people in this epoch consist of the individual members of the body of Christ whose admission into the New Covenant has been going on continuously for two thousand years now, and whose members are all called to the royal priesthood? Did the early disciples of Jesus, such as Paul, John, and Peter, belong to the modern people of God that Peter defined in his first letter, or to an organization that was not founded until the end of the 19th century? 1 Peter 2,7-10 ( N W T Study Edition) 7 It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone”* 8 and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed. 9 B u t y o u a r e “ a c h o s e n r a c e , a r o y a l p r i e s t h o o d , a h o l y n a t i o n, a people for ====================================================================================== special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies”* of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 F o r y o u w e r e o n c e n o t a p e o p l e , b u t n o w y o u a r e G o d ’ s p e o p l e ======================================= once you had not been shown mercy, but now you have received mercy.
Presenting this information to my JW grandad tomorrow, let’s just pray he sees the Light in Christ. Also, I agree with the restaurant preferences very much! Thank you very much for making your videos concise, understandable, and also amusing. I appreciate it very much good sir. 👍
Thanks for sharing! Always appreciate your exposure of JWs
No doubt a biased presentation.
If GOD is three persons and all are named JEHOVAH, and if you see them in front of you, count one by one, how MANY JEHOVAH do you see? that is THREE JEHOVAH, and Deut 6:4 says JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH. and THAT IS NOT THREE JEHOVAH
@@Mr.DC3.1914 The three god in one doctrine originates with pagan teachings long before Christianity became a thing on earth. Rome created the Roman Catholic church and brought with it many pagan ideas. Of course, we know that the Roman Catholic church is the mother of Christendom.
@@ronhansen8471 "The three god in one doctrine originates with pagan teachings long before Christianity became a thing on earth."
Do you have any proof?
@@misterauctor7353 In the 4th century a man named arius an alexandrian priest rose up and asserted that the Son (Jesus) was not eternal and was not of the same substance. Thus the Arian heresy is born referred as Arianism . Athanatius was a theologian who defended the Deity of Christ. Arianism died out but the watchtower organization who shows up almost 2000 years later have resurrected this heresy.
I have to say, I get very excited when I see one of your notifications. I know I am about to be well informed and entertained 😎
Yes entertained
@@ronhansen8471 The way a comedy entertains
Amen. As Jesus Christ said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father except through Me".
Through no one else.
@@karenwestberg5838 That's only half the story. For Jesus also said, "..no one can come to me unless it is granted him BY THE FATHER." (John 6:65)
Correct the Father draws us to Jesus ,not an 18th century organization.
Wow! This is really good 👍. I just got df a few months ago. And I've never been so happy b4.
Welcome to the club
Congratulations I was this Fellowship twice never went back after the second time
If GOD is three persons and all are named JEHOVAH, and if you see them in front of you, count one by one, how MANY JEHOVAH do you see? that is THREE JEHOVAH, and Deut 6:4 says JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH. and THAT IS NOT THREE JEHOVAH
@@Mr.DC3.1914this is possibly the worst bit of exegesis on the trinity that I've ever seen 😂😂
@@markshark1613 Babylonia
"The ancient Babylonians recognised the doctrine of a trinity, or three persons in one god-as appears from a composite god with three heads forming part of their mythology, and the use of the equilateral triangle, also, as an emblem of such trinity in unity" (Thomas Dennis Rock, The Mystical Woman and the Cities of the Nations, 1867, pp. 22-23).
Down with the tower!!
Are you a parrot?
That was awesome and very well explained...❤❤❤
I was a child raised JW. 1965-1975 I left at 17 years of age. I remember the JW’s preaching that they were NOT an organized religion.
I love your teachings! Thank you, brother!!
god bless you for what youre doing. im 15 and im an exjw recebntly i woke up about few months ago and this channel has been my go to for unindcotrination since then, ive always watched chirstan apologiest so as soon as i woke up i was christan but youre apologiest work has helped me so much to grow in christ and be able to do my own apologiest work to my own family and my friends ive even been pretty close at making aconverts (still working on them :D) thank you so much from the bottom of my heart god bless you and i'll pray for you
If GOD is three persons and all are named JEHOVAH, and if you see them in front of you, count one by one, how MANY JEHOVAH do you see? that is THREE JEHOVAH, and Deut 6:4 says JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH. and THAT IS NOT THREE JEHOVAH
It is quiet in the comment thread. There is no defense because they know this is an unscriptural doctrine. So well done. Even if it saves one person, all this effor you are doing is worth it. Keep it up 👍
Comparing the 'spiritual food' the Tower provides the fast McDonalds food laced with arsenic... PERFECT!!!
Do you know what spiritual food is to know the difference?
@@ronhansen8471Do you know you're in a cult.
That’s exactly what I’m thinking.
@@misterauctor7353 Were the Old Covenant Jews a cult?
@@mattgardiner614 to your comment: Were the Old Covenant Jews a cult?
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You have addressed the crucial aspect without being aware of the implications of your statement, as is so often the case.
Neither the Old nor the New Covenant is considered a cult by true worshipers of God.
Rather, those organizations are to be classified as cults that negate the affiliation of the vast majority of their members to the New Covenant and thus exclude their members from belonging to the true people of God in this epoch.
Watchtower 1998 February 1, page 19, paragraph 3,
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The Other Sheep and the New Covenant
3 For the 144,000, the blessing of the Abrahamic covenant is administered through the new covenant. As participants in this covenant, they come “under undeserved kindness” and “under law toward Christ.” (Romans 6:15; 1 Corinthians 9:21) Hence, only the 144,000 members of the Israel of God have properly partaken of the emblems during the Memorial of Jesus’ death, and only with them did Jesus make his covenant for a Kingdom. (Luke 22:19, 20, 29)
M e m b e r s o f t h e g r e a t c r o w d a r e n o t p a r t i c i p a n t s i n t h e n e w c o v e n a n t . However, they associate with the Israel of God and live with them in their “land.” (Isaiah 66:8) So it is reasonable to say that they too come under Jehovah’s undeserved kindness and under the law toward Christ. While not participants in the new covenant, they are beneficiaries of it.
Thank you so well explained. I have family members who with confidence have put their complete trust in the wt org and its band of merry men aka the g body instead of our savior Jesus .
You just made my day!🤣👍🏼
Nice breakdown of the corporation or watchtower.
Ass kid I was always baffled by the “corporation” element of the JWs … and how each congregation is a franchise of the corporation
Good way to sum it up
If GOD is three persons and all are named JEHOVAH, and if you see them in front of you, count one by one, how MANY JEHOVAH do you see? that is THREE JEHOVAH, and Deut 6:4 says JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH. and THAT IS NOT THREE JEHOVAH
a wonderful presentation of truth i hope jws will see
We see...... through it.
They take the word organized and extend it to an organization, You don't have to have an organization in its standard definition to be organized. You can have two people with a task and talk for a few minutes to get organized. Is that an organization? To be organized (verb) means to make preparations and coordinate. Organization (noun) is an institution like the Watchtower Org with staff and assets and money.
You can have an organization and not be organized. I've seen it myself in business,
The WT doesn’t have the Holy Spirit , therefore everything in their thinking is fleshly!
When Stephan looked up he saw GOD and Jesus sitting at his right hand, but why didn’t he see the Holy Spirit??? Because the holy spirit is GODs active force, his will in action
Prove to me that Christendom A) Has the holy spirit, and B) is united.
@@leopoldocastillon4129how can a person lie to an 'active force'....read Acts 5.3-4? Look through Acts...the Holy Spirit is described in personal terms. How do you explain Zechariah 4.6? Clearly the Holy Spirit is not an active force.
@@mattgardiner614Acts 2.4/1 Corinthians 12.13-14/Ephesians 4.4. Time to wake up!
@@leopoldocastillon4129how do you explain Zechariah 4.6 then? How can Ananias lie to the Holy Spirit if He's an 'it'?
Sadly true. What's odd is that they say the same thing as the ones they are most against, the Roman Catholic church. They say we can only be saved by being a part of their system, the RCC holds up a man calling him a pope and the JW's hold up men calling them the governing body......same thing.
Not to mention the pride in themselves believing that they alone are the special ones and the only true pure religion.
God gives grace to the humble but resists the proud.
James 1:27
King James Version
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
Sad but true.
(Revelation 18:4) And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.
God wants those who genuinely love him to get out of all the religions of this world. When some do, where do they go to? Obviously to God's organization.
The one organization unitedly carrying out God's Will at Matthew 24:14. Despite what these will experience as promised at Matthew 24:9.
@@jimjuri6490
I know that is what they tell you over and over again but it is NOT true.
Here is the only true/pure religion according to God and it is NOT an organization that signs up with the governments of this wicked world in order to receive tax exemptions.
Your Governing body does the exact same thing as all the other churches and religions out there.
Like many others, they have used pride to lure many in. God only gives grace to the humble. James 4:6, 1 Peter 5:5
NO organization is going to save anyone, we are all judged by the Lord Jesus Christ, individually.
James 1:27
King James Version
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
@@jimjuri6490 Keep coping for your cult.
Oh yessss! La bonne nouvelle n’a pas besoin d’une organisation, LEUR version modifiée oui!
They love cherry picking random scriptures
All religions do
JWs go through the entire bible at least twice a year. (2 Timothy 3:16) All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,
They actually use the whole Bible , very knowledgeable
@@leopoldocastillon4129 Nope.
@@ronhansen8471Stop lying.
Very very good job buddy
Great work!!
Excellent!
Excellent video
Jesus Christ sent all of you to preach about the Jw's or satan the devil sent all of you to preach about the Jw's??????????
By their reasoning, they should all be lds. Talk about organization... both cults, though, relying on works to save them
A more pertinent question would be: is there a god in the first place who cares about our eating habits, length of our hair, what clothing we choose to wear, whether guys should wear beards and women wear trousers, and all the rest of it 😂 etc.?
Blessings
This my new favorite anime! I wish I could forget it all so I could watch it for the first time again.
As a funny aside, I thought the imposter was Funi’s puppet, since I couldn’t foresee anyone else doing such a thing.
Brilliant!! ❤
Are you saying that Michael the Archamgel didn't choose the Watchtower Corporation in 1919 after releasing them from babylonish captivity?
Are you saying that Rutherfordn did not receive revelations from Angel's?
Are you saying that the 10 bedroom mansion built during the great depression for the prophets to live in was all bs?
....yep!
E nd 8:12 of the world scam Love it
Organized Crime 😂
God had always a covenant with his people , something most jws (99,99%) don’t have
Il n’y a de salut qu’en Jésus Christ 👑 Et, comme le dit mon pasteur : « aucune de nos oeuvres peut ajouter au chef-d’œuvre de la Croix de Jésus » Son oeuvre est suffisante. Merci Seigneur pour la croix.
Nice!! 😍💪🏻
Job was the greatest of the Orientals. Not of Abraham and HE was servant of Jehovah and in good standing
First here LOL 😆
Damn it Laura, I only just got notified the video had started. I wanted to be first.
Only kidding, I hope all is well with you.
God bless.
Needing more cart crashes from you and David, Laura 🙏🏽💚💙
@truelove2334 yes we gotta start up again I started a new job and sometimes I work 45 hours a week but I definitely will try this Saturday 😅
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They can make the victim homeless without any support
What a cult.... stay away
Nehemiah 9:6
King James Version
6 Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.
Colossians 1:12-17
King James Version
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
John 1:1-3
King James Version
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Wow DH, you got the fur bunched up on some bridge-dwelling trolls on this one. They got their WT panties in a serous twist. (Try not to invision that one)
I will argue that the early church was an organization, as there are many New Testament passages on how it is to be run and how leaders in it are to behave. BUT, it was not JUST an organization; it was much more than that. And certainly not an organization like the JWs envision.
Very good so God says he will have a chosen people.
And the disciples asked Jesus about that considering he just told them about false prophets in The time of the end and note his response at John 13:35 that the mark of true Christians was the love the showed among themselves.
Not perfection not how many members not a certain race . . But simply love. . And that is exactly wht Jws show and promote! Worldwide and as a whole.
Liebe?
Kein Mensch fragt nach Dir, wenn Du alt bist und nicht mehr kannst. Oft genug erlebt.
Warning other Christians of false teachers is a loving thing to do. I sure do appreciate it.
It validates my choice for dumping the org. An org created to divert men to themselves instead of to Christ.
Jws talk a good talk, but I have been behind those doors. They love saying they are the chosen ones. They love criticizing others who don't eat wt articles.
They love having having one sided conversations that are geared to push the message of their self apointed, false food at improper times fds.
So don't be a hypocrite because your group not only points out flaws but they attach a follow us or die message.
Christians teach follow Christ for salvation. The "org" in that scenario would be all peoples who put their faith in Christ. And Jesus created that "org" with his gift to all who grab hold of it and place their faith in him not the wt.
And
Where was this love you speak of when the only time they interacted with my terminally ill father was to request his field service reports?
I think you mistake pride for love.
Christians show love and point people to Christ.
@@michaelazagel2324 Ich pflichte Ihnen vollkommen bei. Ich habe desöftern miterleben müssen, wie gebrechlich gewordene Brüder und Schwester an Insititutionen von "Babylon der Großen" übergeben wurden, weil die Organisation Jehovas ihren Brüdern und Schwestern keine alternativen Betreuungsmöglichkeiten bietet, obwohl man diesen vor Jahrzehnten im Namen Jehovas feierlich versichert hat, dass sie, ohne je sterben zu müssen, in das irdische Paradies eingehen werden, wenn sie sich regelmäßig für die Organisation Jehovas einsetzen. (freiwillige Arbeitsleistungen für die Errichtung und die anschließende Instandhaltung von Königreichsälen und Kongressgebäuden, regelmäßige Spendenleistungen, unentgeltliche Akquisition/Anwerbung von neuen Mitgliedern).
Vor Jahrzehnten wurden die Mitglieder aus den Fängen von "Babylon der Großen" befreit, um sie am Ende ihres Lebens wieder der Obhut dieser Insitutionen (Alten- und Pflegeheime unter der Leitung der Evangelischen und Katholischen Kirche) zu überantworten, nachdem keine der vollmundigen Versprechen eingelöst werden konnte und wo ihnen der Anblick jener "teuflichen" Symbole (Kreuze") zugemutet wird, die sie am Anfang ihres Bibelstudiums auf Geheiß der Ältesten von ihren Wohnzimmerwänden entfernen mußten. Welch eine Heuchelei!
like when they disfellowship and shun their members for disagreeing with the Watchtower's positon on ANYTHING? That kind of "love"?
@richbaker7187
Yup that kind of love! It keeps the congregation clean. Thts Not something Jws made up. In the nation of Israel they were penalized with Death for fornication or adultery or spiritism and many other parts of the law.
It's also in harmony with what paul told the congregation in Corinth to remove the immoral man who was living with his father's wife! And then in 2 Corinthians when the man changed his immoral course he was welcomed back into the congregation.
So yes following the Bible completely whether you as an imperfect human agree or not
Glad I left.
Is it the name of Jesus or Michael?😂
I knew a jw brother who prayed in micheals name , in public .
@@Elroi3310 that’s exactly what I’m getting at!
Why do Christendom adherents go apoplectic at JW's for linking Jesus and Michael, while so many of YOU see the words "The ANGEL of the Lord" in the Bible and say, 'Oh, that's Jesus' ?
@@mattgardiner614 to your comment: Why do Christendom adherents go apoplectic at JW's for linking Jesus and Michael, while so many of YOU see the words "The ANGEL of the Lord" in the Bible and say, 'Oh, that's Jesus' ?
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I encourage you to dedicate yourself to a thorough study of the Bible.
Where is Jesus associated with the term "angel" in the following New Testament scriptures?
Quite the opposite.
Jesus is the one who sends out his angels, while he himself will one day return as the Son of man.
Revelation 1,1-3 (N W T Study Edition)
1 A revelation* b y J e s u s C h r i s t , which God gave him,a to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place. And h e (note: J e s u s according to verse 1) s e n t h i s a n g e l and presented it in signs through him
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to his slave John,
Revelation 1,12-13 ( N W T Study Edition)
12 I turned to see w h o w a s s p e a k i n g w i t h m e , and when I turned, I saw seven golden lampstands,
13 and in the midst of the lampstands someone like
a s o n o f m a n ,
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clothed in a garment that reached down to the feet and wearing a golden sash around his chest.
Revelation 22,16 ( N W T Study Edition)
16 “ ‘ I , J e s u s , s e n t m y a n g e l to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the
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root and the offspring of Davidu and the bright morning star.’”
Matthew 25,31-32 ( N WT Study Edition)
31 “When the S o n o f m a n comes in his glory, and a l l t h e a n g e l s w i t h h i m , then he will sit
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down on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will put the sheepu on his right hand, but the goats on his left.
Luke 21,26-27 ( N W T Study Edition)
26 People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
27 And then they will s e e t h e S o n o f m a n coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
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Hebrew 1,6 ( N W T Study Edition)
6 But when he again brings his Firstborn into the inhabited earth, he says:
“And let a l l o f G o d ’ s a n g e l s do obeisance to him.”
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@@mattgardiner614 probably because there is zero proof that Jesus is Michael whereas there is reason to believe that the Angel of the Lord can refer to Jesus.
I was a flurry of activity listening to this video. It took me over 50 minutes to get through this 13.5 minute video, because I was taking notes furiously, like a court stenographer, to point out all the misrepresentations, factual errors, fallacies, strawman arguments and hypocrisy . And - as is usual - the most standout scriptures were the ones conspicuous by their absence. I haven't got all day, so I restrict myself to a few things I especially want to talk about, and maybe my Brothers can take care of the rest.
Issues around the 8:42-9:02 mark.
"..paint this false picture that each church and denomination is their own organization, with each church preaching they're the true religion. This is objectively wrong."
Well, me and history beg to differ. Ask the 16th century reformers. Ask Catholics wherever Protestants were on top. Ask the Cathars...Oh wait. You can't. They got wiped out by another group that thought THEY were the true religion.
What even is the point of outreach and encouraging people to come along to church if in the next breath you say, 'Oh, we're not saying we're the truth, or anything'. It's so obviously absurd. Why would anybody buy what you are selling? While you are saying that, on the screen you highlight something from WT on our website while denying it's the case:
"..many Christian denominations disagree on teachings as basic as what it means to be a Christian."
After I watched this video, I re-watched the 'Unity Disproved' video. Thinking this new video might be a re-hashing of that. At the 2:27-32 point in that video, you list the essentials as "Jesus, God, Gospel" and say "They (early Christians) were united on the essentials,". Well, CRISIS!! Under the recent 'Awake and Free: SoundtheAlarm' video, YOUR Brother and Sister Michael Spielberg and @NewCreationInChrist896 (Christians are united on the essentials; remember you said that) are having a disagreement on the Trinity! Which of them isn't a real "Christian"?
Now we get to the big one. About the 9 minute mark you say "The Baptist doesn't believe the Presbyterian is going to hell because they're not a Baptist." OK, but you believe the JW is. Most of your viewers do too. This is such outrageous hypocrisy. JW's believe the bibles promise of a "resurrection of the righteous AND the unrighteous", which includes the vast majority of people who have ever lived, including you lot in Christendom, and other belief systems as well. ("..How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard?.." - Romans 10:14) But you don't believe this. ('Second Chance' video)
In the 'Unity' video you word it slightly differently, but the point being made is the same.
"A Methodist doesn't look at a Baptist and say "Anyone Baptist is going to Hell." Or vice versa. IF SOMEONE DOES, WE'D CALL THOSE PEOPLE... UNHINGED." (7:02-11)
I recall, under one video, one of your "Christians" say in the comments that his "sweet" mother who had been a JW, was now in Hell. Because she'd been a JW. Interesting. She was "Sweet". But now she's in Hell. If I can find that comment, will you reply to that poster and tell them they are unhinged? So who really is 'Shutting up the Kingdom' for others? (Matthew 23:13) Big meanie exclusionary JW's, or Christendom?
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JW's believe the bibles promise of a "resurrection of the righteous AND the unrighteous", which includes the vast majority of people who have ever lived, including you lot in Christendom, and other belief systems as well. ("..How, in turn, will they put faith i n h i m a b o u t w h o m t h e y h a v e n o t h e ar d ? . . " - R o m a n s 1 0 : 1 4 ) But you don't believe this. ('Second Chance' video)
In the 'Unity' video you word it slightly differently, but the point being made is the same.
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You have once again raised a crucial point, but you are obviously not aware of the implications of your remarks.
In the letter to the Romans you cite, Paul laments those of his Jewish compatriots who did not accept Jesus at that time, even though he testifies to them that they continue to show zeal for God, but with the caveat that this form of worship is no longer in accordance with God's will.
Romans chapter 10 ( N W T Study Edition)
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1 Brothers, the goodwill of my heart and my supplication to God for them are indeed for their salvation.
2 F o r I b e a r t h e m w i t n e s s t h a t t h e y h a v e a z e a l f o r G o d , b u t n o t a c c o r d i n g
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t o a c c u r a t e k n o w l e d g e .
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3 For because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own,d they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
4 F o r C h r i s t i s t h e e n d o f t h e L a w , so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.
9 For if you publicly declare with your mouth
t h a t J e s u s i s L o r d ( n o t e : " K y r i o s" ) ,
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and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declarationn for salvation.
11 For the scripture says: “No one who rests h i s f a i t h o n h i m will be disappointed.”
12 For there is n o d i s t i n c t i o n b e t w e e n J e w a n d G r e e k .
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T h e r e i s t h e s a m e L o r d (" n o t e : " K y r i o s " ) o v e r a l l ,
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who is rich toward* all those calling on him.
13 F o r “ e v e r y o n e w h o c a l l s o n t h e n a m e o f J e h o v a (note: g r e e k : " K y r i o s" )
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will be saved.”
14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith
i n h i m a b o u t w h o m t h e y h a v e n o t h e a r d ?
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How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?
In verse 9, Paul emphasizes that Jesus is to be recognized as Lord and invoked as Lord by all true worshipers of the New Covenant.
In verse 12, Paul adds that all true worshipers, regardless of their ethnic background, have only one Lord over them and not two different Lords.
In verse 13, Paul quotes a prediction from Joel 3:5 that refers to the invocation o f t h e n a m e Y H W H with the obvious intention of reaffirming his previous core message.
By inserting the name "Jehovah" in verse 13 of its New World Translation, the Watchtower Society admits, albeit unintentionally, that the prediction of Joel 3:5 has found its final fulfillment in the person of Jesus Christ.
Questions to the Bible teacher
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1.) Of whom had the Jews not heard until the appearance of the Apostles in Jerusalem and the surrounding area, or in whom had the Jews not believed until then? (Romans 10,14).
Jesus oder Jehovah?
2.) Which of his countrymen did Paul persecute before his conversion and for what reason?
And whose name did Paul, along with his confreres, publicly invoke in his missionary ministry after his conversion by Jesus?
Jesus or Jehovah?
@@davidagnew8792 I would like to meet you personally.
Would you also take this point of view in a personal conversation, even if it objectively contradicts the statements of the Apostle Paul in the New Testament?
Are you not yet aware that we have been living under the sign of the New Covenant for two thousand years?
In this sense, I would like to draw your attention once again to the statement of the Apostle Paul in his letter to the Romans.
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Did Paul, not I, in his capacity as an apostle personally chosen by Jesus, declare that all true worshipers have the same Lord over them or not?
And whom did the apostle Paul reveal to the readers of his epistle by name as the Lord to whom all true worshipers of the New Covenant must confess?
Romans chapter 10 ( N W T Study Edition)
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1 Brothers, the goodwill of my heart and my supplication to God for them are indeed for their salvation.
2 F o r I b e a r t h e m w i t n e s s t h a t t h e y h a v e a z e a l f o r G o d , b u t n o t a c c o r d i n g
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t o a c c u r a t e k n o w l e d g e .
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3 For because of not knowing the righteousness of God but seeking to establish their own,d they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
4 F o r C h r i s t i s t h e e n d o f t h e L a w , so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.
9 For if you publicly declare with your mouth
t h a t J e s u s i s L o r d ( n o t e : " K y r i o s" ) ,
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and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declarationn for salvation.
11 For the scripture says: “No one who rests h i s f a i t h o n h i m will be disappointed.”
12 For there is n o d i s t i n c t i o n b e t w e e n J e w a n d G r e e k .
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T h e r e i s t h e s a m e L o r d (" n o t e : " K y r i o s " ) o v e r a l l ,
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who is rich toward* all those calling on him.
13 F o r “ e v e r y o n e w h o c a l l s o n t h e n a m e o f J e h o v a (note: g r e e k : " K y r i o s" )
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will be saved.”
14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith
i n h i m a b o u t w h o m t h e y h a v e n o t h e a r d ?
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How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?
Matt I’m glad you took notes, but I believe you’re understanding the position of the Church. First, I don’t believe every single church is right. There are false churches and false denominations. Some get this absurd idea of exclusivity, and they are wrong and have gone apostate. You are committing and generalization fallacy. Because one group committed the act, therefor all are guilty. Bodies of believers who have strayed away from scripture or are engaged in sin. Jesus warned there would be people like this, so it’s to be expected.
JW’s and mainstream Christianity are not United on the essentials of the faith. We believe in a different God, different Jesus and different Gospel. The version of Christ they teach can not save you, as he’s from the imagination of men you’re commanded to put your trust in.
So far you and others have claimed I’ve lied or misrepresented JW’s in the content, but haven’t given me one example. My main point, was that no where in scripture does God say we must join and organization to be saved. If you can provide me a verse in scripture on that, I’ll post it in the comments and say I was wrong.
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The irony about making such a big deal over this, is that Christendom is part of B a b y l o n t h e G r e a t . Which in turn is part of Satan's system of things. (2 Corinthians 4:4). Therefore - logically - millions of so-called "Christians" are under Satanic influence 24/7, seven days a week.
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I would advise you to subject the statements in Revelation to a thorough exegesis once again before you accuse your fellow human beings of belonging to the satanic system.
According to the testimony in Revelation, the institutions of Babylon the Great have always persecuted the individual true witnesses of Jesus.
Revelation 17,5-6 (N W T Study Edition)
5 On her forehead was written a name, a mystery: “Babylon the Great, the mother of the prostitutes and of the disgusting things of the earth.”
6 And I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the holy ones and
w i t h t h e b l o o d o f t h e w i t n e s s e s o f J e s u s
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Significantly, in the introduction to Revelation, the apostle John described himself as a Witness of Jesus and not as a Jehovah's Witness.
Revelation 1,9 ( N W T Study Edition)
9 John, your brother and a sharer with you in the tribulations and kingdom and endurance i n a s s o c i a t i o n
w i t h J e s u s, was on the island called Patʹmos for speaking about God and
b e a r i n g w i t n e s s c o n c e r n i n g J e s u s.
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So the target of the attacks of the institutions of Babylon the Great is therefore not the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses, but the true witnesses of Jesus.
At the end of the last book of the Bible, it is explained that the same group of true witnesses of Jesus will receive the blessings promised by Jesus after his return. Even at this crucial point in Revelation, Jehovah's Witnesses are not mentioned.
Revelation 12,17 (N W T Study Edition)
17 So the dragon became enraged at the woman and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her offspring, who observe the commandments of God and have the work
o f b e a r i n g w i t n e s s c o n c e r n i n g J e s u s .
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Revelation 20,4 ( N W T Study Edition)
4 And I saw thrones, and those who sat on them were g i v e n a u t h o r i t y t o j u d ge . Yes, I saw the souls* of those executed* f o r t h e w i t n e s s t h e y g a v e a b o u t J e s u s
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and for speaking about God, and those who had not worshipped the wild beast or its image and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand.
And they came to life and r u l e d a s k i n g s w i t h t h e C h r i s t f o r 1 , 0 0 0 y e a r s.
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In view of these facts, where does the last Bible book mention the group of "Jehovah's witnesses" will also share in salvation at the end of this era?
@@LightoverDarkMinistry I am going to tackle organization in more detail in a few days when I have more time. In the mean time, when you were preparing your video, did you come across (And watch) the 6:18 minute long talk on the website by Gage Fleegle called 'Jehovah organizes his people'?
How dare they misuse Acts 4:12 like that!
Acts 4:12 should be used to show the people that they are NOT saved by the name of Jehovah, it is only the name of Jesus that we are saved by!
Also Philippians 2:9-11.
Jesus is PROMOTED to a HIGHER POSITION BY GOD. Philippians 2:9.
Accepting this position of Jesus brings glory TO GOD. Verse 11.
Jesus is God's MEANS for saving.
(John 4:34) Jesus said to them: “My food is to do the will of him who SENT ME and to finish HIS WORK.
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Right, Jesus was speaking about God the Father in John 4:34. God the Father sent his Word to do his work.
Jesus is not God the Father, he is God the Word.
John 1:1-4.
God the Word is OF God, not created by God but OF God himself, that is why Jesus is also called the only BEGOTTEN Son of God.
God was manifest in the flesh.
1 Timothy 3:16
Jesus is the creator, no angel can create anything. God is the only creator.
Thomas speaking to Jesus........
John 20:28
King James Version
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Psalm 31:14
King James Version
14 But I trusted in thee, O Lord: I said, Thou art my God.
@@CherylArsenault123 : God is ONLY the Father. There is no other God. At least not for True Worshipers of Jehovah, the God of Jesus and the Bible.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
Jesus calls himself God's only begotten son at John 3:16.
Begotten is the past participle of beget.
Meaning of BEGET:
1. (especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.
Since God is not involved with a woman to bring his sons into existence, God CREATES them.
Since God DIRECTLY created his Firstborn angel son, Jesus is God's ONLY begotten son. The other angel sons came after Jesus and with God working THROUGH Jesus. Colossians 1:16.
Sons come into existence BECAUSE they have a father.
Please show me where the Bible tells us that Jesus created anything?
Here are his own words:
John 5:30 I CANNOT DO A SINGLE THING OF MY OWN INITIATIVE;;;;; because I seek, NOT MY OWN WILL, but the will of HIM WHO SENT ME.
Are these the words of an Almighty Creator?
Jesus is a slave of God. A slave SENT by God on a mission. That is what John 4:34 states. Jesus' own words.
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True worshippers will only believe God's word as it is written and NOT as it is explained by men.
God's word is truth. John 17:17
God the Father proclaims that the only name that saves is the name of JESUS.
He commands that we only listen to his only begotten Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Word of God.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the SAVIOR of the world. Not some organization of men that make business deals with the god of this world.
Isaiah 43:11
King James Version
11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour.
Luke 2:11
King James Version
11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
John 4:42
King James Version
42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
Ephesians 5:23
King James Version
23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
And so many more!
NO angel can save us, only the Saviour Jesus Christ the Lord.
TRIPLE PROOF IN THE NWT THAT JESUS IS JEHOVAH:
“then hear in heaven, Your dwelling place, and forgive and act, and give to each in accordance with all his ways, whose heart You know-for You ❗️***ALONE*** ❗️know the hearts of all mankind-”
1 Kings 8:39
That says Jehovah **ALONE** knows the hearts of all mankind.
God doubles down and makes that fact very clear by repeating it:
“deal with everyone according to all they do, since you know their hearts (for you❗️ **ALONE**❗️ know the human heart),”
2 Chronicles 6:30
Jesus says:
“the Son of God says… I am the ❗️ **ONE** ❗️who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.”
Revelation 2:18… 23
Jesus doesn’t say he’s one of two beings who does that - he says he’s the **ONE** being who does that.
That means Jesus is Jehovah.
Also:
“Jesus **DISCERNED** **BY** **HIS** **SPIRIT** that they were reasoning that way among themselves, so he said to them: “Why are you REASONING THESE THINGS **IN** **YOUR** **HEARTS** ?””
Mark 2:8 NWT
That means Jesus is Jehovah.
*BOTH* Revelation 2:23 and Mark 2:8 mean Jesus is Jehovah.
A JW might try to say God either told Jesus what they were thinking or gave Jesus the ability to do that - but that’s NOT what Revelation 2:23 and Mark 2:8 say. They say He does it by HIS Spirit and that he’s the **ONE** being who does that.
Also, there is yet another scripture which explicitly says Jesus didn’t need anyone to tell him because he himself knows:
“But Jesus, on His part, was not entrusting Himself to them, because He knew all people, and because HE DID NOT NEED ANYONE TO TESTIFY ABOUT MANKIND, FOR HE HIMSELF KNEW WHAT WAS IN MANKIND.”
John 2:24-25
Even more evidence and confirmation for this:
“Jehovah-knows the thoughts of man,”
Psalm 94:11
““I, the Lord, search the heart, I test the mind, To give to each person according to his ways, According to the results of his deeds.”
Jeremiah 17:10
“Jehovah searches all hearts and understands every plan and thought.”
1 Chronicles 28:9
Who searches the heart and tests the mind?
Answer: Jehovah.
Who gives each person according to his deeds?
Answer: Jehovah.
In Revelation, Jesus speaks:
““And to the angel of the church in Thyatira write: The Son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire, and feet like burnished bronze, says this:
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“…all the churches will know that I am the One who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds.”
Revelation 2:18 and 2:23
That says Jesus is the one who searches minds and hearts AND the one who gives each one according to their deeds.
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And yet even more confirmation:
We know Jesus is called ‘THE WORD OF GOD’ from John 1 and Revelation 19:11-16.
Knowing that, read:
“For THE WORD OF GOD is living and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, even penetrating as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from **HIS** sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of **HIM** to whom we must answer.”
Hebrews 4:12-13
“For the Father judges no one at all, but He has entrusted ALL the judging to the Son,”
John 5:22
That says the Father isn’t going to judge ANYONE AT ALL. NO ONE AT ALL.
“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then REPAY EVERY PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.”
Matthew 16:27
Look again at Hebrews 4:
“ “For THE WORD OF GOD is… able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.
And there is no creature hidden from HIS sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of HIM TO WHOM WE MUST ANSWER.”
Hebrews 4:13
That says about the one to whom we must answer (and we know the Father isn’t going to judge anyone so we know this is Jesus) that ALL THINGS are open and laid bare to His eyes - which means he can see inside our hearts - and the Bible says only Jehovah can do that - so that’s a fourth proof that Jesus is Jehovah.
@@SpielbergMichael No. You seem to have overlooked the words in one of your quoted verses, John 5:22 "..He has ENTRUSTED...' Wasn't inherently within Jesus. If the Father didn't entrust, then it wouldn't happen. It's breathtaking the amount of verses you have to willfully ignore to attempt to make the case that because scripture says Jehovah does something, and another verse says Jesus does it, that they are the same. Why are Christendom adherents always attracted to the most fantastical (Though least plausible) interpretation of things, like little kids?
Examples showing how beholden Jesus is to his Father for his powers and authority:
"..God MADE HIM both Lord and Christ.." (Acts 2:36)
"..All authority has BEEN GIVEN ME in heaven and on the earth." (Matthew 28:18)
"..you gave them to me.." (John 17:6)
"..whom he APPOINTED heir of all things.." (Hebrews 1:2)
"..so HE HAS GRANTED also to the Son...And he has GIVEN HIM AUTHORITY.." (John 5:26.27)
"..God EXHALTED HIM to a superior position, and... GAVE HIM the name that is above every other name," (Philippians 2:9)
"For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak." (John 12:49)
If you have something, or I have something, we can use it, or we can lend it or give it away, right? So too can God. We have it in verse. (Daniel 4:17)
@@mattgardiner614Hi Matt,
God bless you!
It’s nice to hear from you. I was waiting for any JW to address my comment. So I was very glad to hear from a JW, and personally pleased/glad it was you (because I’m fond of you, I like you).
But your response and the verses you cite don’t address any of the substance of my comments. NOTHING you say contradicts or has anything to do with what my comments were about. You are quoting verses which have nothing to do with the things I talked about and no bearing on the matter and don’t in the least contradict anything in my comments.
What you wrote isn’t a weak argument - it’s not even an argument - it’s just a lot of words typed out which have nothing to do with anything I said.
Your ‘response’ was obviously and transparently just empty rhetoric - you tried to sound knowledgeable and haughty, but if you had a cogent argument you would have given it, but you don’t have anything so all you do is type out some irrelevant verses which have nothing to do with the substance of my comments.
And I didn’t ignore ‘entrust’ - I quoted and typed that out - it says the Father entrusted all judgement to Jesus. It says absolutely NOTHING about entrusting or giving the ability to know what’s in hearts. It doesn’t mention anything about that at all. That is a very desperate flailing attempt.
Please address my argument and the meaning of the verses I quoted.
But of course you won’t be able to find anything in the Bible to contradict what I showed it clearly says. If you could, the Bible would be contradicting itself, and it never does that.
So I didn’t ignore anything - you on the other hand ignore what Jesus said very clearly in Revelation 2:23 that he is “THE ONE” who searches hearts. He doesn’t say he’s 1 of 2 beings who can do that.
You also ignore that Jesus is deliberately and specifically echoing Jeremiah 17:10 (which is about Jehovah) and deliberately and purposefully applying it to Himself.
But sadly, I’m not surprised you ignore these things because I’ve discussed things with you at length before and you make it very clear that the Bible is not your highest authority and that you put the Watchtower higher than the Word of God - so whenever the Word of God clearly contradicts the Watchtower, your allegiance is with the Watchtower and you ignore and deny what the Word of God plainly says.
That is beyond sad.
@@SpielbergMichael Well, I think it has everything to do with it. Your contention being - as is clear from the scriptures you use to try to make your case - that if a verse attributes a special ability to God, and another verse attributes the same ability to Jesus, that it must be they are the same.
But this time I'll address your verses. (I like you too, by-the-way😄)
Knowing the hearts of mankind. You are failing spectacularly to connect the dots here. Verses that say God does something. Even verses that say he "alone" does it. - Verses that I provided which show Jehovah has GIVEN Jesus certain powers and responsibilities - And, so now, low-and-behold, verses that show Jesus has certain powers and responsibilities. Revelation 2:23 doesn't even say 'I ALONE'. It says "I am the one...". Verse 23 ends: "I will give to you individually according to your deeds." HELLO! John 5:22 "He has ENTRUSTED all the JUDGING to the Son". If he has entrusted all the judging to the Son, he will make sure that he is equipped to do the job.
I'm not sure if you are trying to claim that in Mark 2:8, Jesus knew by HIS holy spirit, and that is the angle you are using to equate Father and Son in this instance. But just in case you are, I checked on biblegateway, and only 2 translations infer by wording or spelling that they think that. BRG -"Spirit" (Capitalized S) and WYC "Holy Ghost". 15 other translations don't mention spirit at all, but say "..knew what they were thinking.." or words to that effect. (CEB, CEV, ERV, GW, GNT, ICB, PHILLIPS, TLB, NOC, NABRE, NCB, NIRV, NLV, NLT, VOICE) Have you never known what someone, or even a group of people were thinking? How much more so the one who helped Jehovah create us in the first place. (Genesis 1:26) The one who was "especially fond of the sons of men." (Proverbs 8:31) The same reasoning takes care of John 2:24,25.
@@mattgardiner614Hello again Matt,
May God bless you and your loved ones abundantly!
Thank you for your kind words. And I too really only wish you the very best.
Ok, as for what you just said:
>> Verses that I provided which show Jehovah has GIVEN Jesus certain powers and responsibilities
No one is disputing that the Bible in places explicitly tells us that God the Father has given Jesus certain things.
But **NOWHERE** does it say Jesus is given the ability to know human hearts.
If there was such a verse I’m sure you would quote it - but there isn’t one.
I’m not talking about other things given to Jesus by God - those are all immaterial and irrelevant to this discussion.
It’s just empty rhetoric to try to cloud the issue with irrelevancies.
>> Revelation 2:23 doesn't even say 'I ALONE'. It says "I am the one...".
How many does ‘THE **one** ‘ who does something mean?
Does it mean there are others who do that thing as well? No, it doesn’t.
That’s exactly why I quote Revelation 2:23 - because it’s crystal clear and incontestable.
You are blatantly ignoring what it blatantly states.
>> John 5:22
"He has ENTRUSTED all the JUDGING to the Son". If he has entrusted all the judging to the Son, he will make sure that he is equipped to do the job.
Sorry, that’s just your assertion and an obvious insertion/addition to the text.
The text doesn’t say anything like that.
If I entrust you to do a job for me, that in absolutely in no way inherently necessitates that I give you every ability necessary to do that task. That’s ridiculous.
If I entrusted you to deliver a package to someone, that doesn’t mean I gave you the mind and faculties in order to understand my request or the physical abilities to physically hold and transport the package.
Your wild and unsubstantiated addition to the text here is just obvious nonsense.
>> I checked on biblegateway, and only 2 translations infer by wording or spelling that they think that.
As for your doubting the wording of Mark 2:8 - I deliberately quoted your own NEW WORLD TRANSLATION for this very reason!
It’s ironic and laughable that you are trying to refute the official JW ‘translation’ !!!!!!!
When I talk about JW beliefs I always limit myself to only ever using verses which say the same thing in the NWT.
If you are saying other translations are better and more reliable than the NWT then I am perfectly happy to use other translations - but then this discussion is immediately over because other translations say clearly Jesus is God, and there’s nothing left to discuss.
I’d be happy to use the ESV (a literal translation):
“And immediately Jesus, **PERCEIVING** **IN** **HIS** **SPIRIT** that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things **IN** **YOUR** **HEARTS** ?”
Mark 2:8 ESV
or the NASB (another literal translation):
“Immediately Jesus, **AWARE** **IN** **HIS** **SPIRIT** **THAT** **THEY** **WERE** **THINKING** that way within themselves, said to them, “Why are you thinking about these things **IN** **YOUR** **HEARTS** ?”
Mark 2:8 NASB2020
>> Have you never known what someone, or even a group of people were thinking?
Again, this is the weakest response I could imagine from you. I didn’t expect such a weak response.
What you are talking about is NOT what the Bible says in multiple places about Jesus.
It clearly and incontrovertibly says he is “THE **ONE** “ who has a special ability to see inside human hearts and know what’s in human hearts.
And it repeatedly says only Jehovah has this ability and that He ALONE can do that - and in fact Jesus cites one of these Old Testament passages (Jeremiah 17:10) and deliberately applies it to Himself.
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When I discuss with people various things and they give a weak argument I sometimes say “Nice try, but try again’ - but I can’t say that this time because yet again nothing you say has any material connection to or impact upon what the Word of God says about this issue.
You haven’t presented any argument, you’ve just responded with inconsequential noise.
You are trying to refute what the Bible clearly says. That’s why you can’t use the Bible to refute it - because the Bible doesn’t refute it.
Judges6:34 judges15:14 prove Holy Spirit is GODS power in action
Megpróbál a Sátán mindent hogy elpusztítsa hogy akadályozza Isten szervezetét de semmit nem tud elérni csak saját magát teszi nevetségessé csak egyetlen Isten van és egyetlen igazság és aki ezt nem ismeri föl a szánalmas. “Keressetek kopogtassatok és megnyittatik nektek.”
Sadly these videos I've noticed sets its own criteria and then measures Jehovah's Witnesses by that. In reality who sets the criteria? Isn’t that God himself?...
Has God used an organisation in the past? Does the bible make it explicitly clear that we must join an organisation?
Genesis shows that the Devil caused a division. Intelligent life in heaven and earth was polarised between accepting Jehovah's ways or not...
Genesis 3:1-6 New Living Translation
*1The serpent* was the shrewdest of all the wild animals the LORD God had made. One day he asked the woman, “Did God really say you must not eat the fruit from any of the trees in the garden?”
*4“You won’t die!” the serpent replied to the woman. 5“God knows that your eyes will be opened as soon as you eat it, and you will be like God, knowing both good and evil.”*
*6The woman was convinced.* She saw that the tree was beautiful and its fruit looked delicious, and she wanted the wisdom it would give her. *So she took some of the fruit and ate it. Then she gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it, too.*
Right there we see a spirit being going against God and 2 perfect humans. The bible shows more angels followed and humans...
Revelation 12:7-9 New Living Translation
7Then there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon and his angels. 8And the dragon lost the battle, and he and his angels were forced out of heaven. *9This great dragon-the ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, the one deceiving the whole world-was thrown down to the earth with all his angels.*
So the bible clearly shows 2 sides...ones for Jehovah and ones against him.
1 John 3:10 New Living Translation
*So now we can tell who are children of God and who are children of the devil.* Anyone who does not live righteously and does not love other believers does not belong to God.
Is that separation maintained throughout the bible? When the nation of Israel came out of Egypt they had to maintain separation from other nations...
Exodus 34:15-16 New Living Translation
*15“You must not make a treaty of any kind with the people living in the land.* They lust after their gods, offering sacrifices to them. They will invite you to join them in their sacrificial meals, and you will go with them. 16Then you will accept their daughters, who sacrifice to other gods, as wives for your sons. And *they will seduce your sons to commit adultery against me by worshiping other gods.*
Deuteronomy 32:16-18 New Living Translation
*16They stirred up his jealousy by worshiping foreign gods;* they provoked his fury with detestable deeds.
*17They offered sacrifices to demons, which are not God, to gods they had not known before, to new gods only recently arrived, to gods their ancestors had never feared.*
18You neglected the Rock who had fathered you; you forgot the God who had given you birth.
When the Israelites failed to listen to Jehovah and associated with the other nations, see who they fell victim to? Demons/angels that rebelled against God. And notice how religion was involved...false gods were worshipped. *So religion is a massive way demons mislead people.*
Did Jesus show the separation still existed in his day?
John 8:39-45 New Living Translation
39“Our father is Abraham!” they declared.
*“No,” Jesus replied, “for if you were really the children of Abraham, you would follow his example.*h 40Instead, *you are trying to kill me because I told you the truth, which I heard from God.* Abraham never did such a thing. 41No, you are imitating your real father.”
They replied, “We aren’t illegitimate children! God himself is our true Father.”
*42Jesus told them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, because I have come to you from God. I am not here on my own, but he sent me.* 43Why can’t you understand what I am saying? It’s because you can’t even hear me! *44For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him.* When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies. *45So when I tell the truth, you just naturally don’t believe me!*
The Jewish nation and religion had been impacted by wicked spirits/angels so much that the nation ended up killing God's own Son from heaven - The one sent to help them.
Mark 1:32-39 New Living Translation
32That evening after sunset, *many sick and demon-possessed people were brought to Jesus.* 33The whole town gathered at the door to watch. 34So Jesus healed many people who were sick with various diseases, *and he cast out many demons.* But because the demons knew who he was, he did not allow them to speak.
39So *he traveled throughout the region of Galilee, preaching in the synagogues and casting out demons.*
With the appearance of Jesus Jehovah then stopped using Israel/The Jews/The law arrangement. Christianity took over and everyone had to join that arrangement.
Acts 2:36-38 New Living Translation
36“So let everyone in Israel know for certain that *God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!”*
37Peter’s words pierced their hearts, and they said to him and to the other apostles, *“Brothers, what should we do?”*
*38Peter replied, “Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.* Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
It was foretold that even Christianity would gradually be impacted by demons for a time. But close to the end true would separate from false...
1 Timothy 4:1 New Living Translation
*Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons.*
Matthew 13:37-41 New Living Translation
37Jesus replied, “The Son of Mand is the farmer who plants the good seed. 38The field is the world, and the good seed represents the people of the Kingdom. *The weeds are the people who belong to the evil one. 39The enemy who planted the weeds among the wheat is the devil.* The harvest is the end of the world,e and the harvesters are the angels.
40“Just as the weeds are sorted out and burned in the fire, *so it will be at the end of the world. 41The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil.*
Jesus made it clear that his people would support and focus on preaching about the kingdom (Gods side) and would survive the coming war. That preaching separates people...
Matthew 24:14 New Living Translation
*14And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nationsc will hear it; and then the end will come.*
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 New Living Translation
7And God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted and also for us when the *Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels,* 8in flaming fire, *bringing judgment on those who don’t know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News* of our Lord Jesus. 9They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power. 10When he comes on that day, he will receive glory from his holy people-praise from all who believe. And this includes you, for you believed what we told you about him.
The bible clearly shows that God's people are always linked. *They preach worldwide together to help others choose God's side. That work is not random....it is organised by Jesus himself!*
Matthew 28:18-20 New Living Translation
*18Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth.* 19Therefore, go and *make disciples of all the nations,b baptizing them* in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. *20Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you.* And be sure of this: *I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”*
And notice how Jesus mentioned preaching to "nations". What nation are Christians? They are made up of all nations. So Gods peoole today form a nation in themselves... They must keep separate from but still help people of all nations with knowledge. Nation is more than a land designation.
**All true worshippers of Jehovah God are brought together, taught together and work together. That's called an organisation.***
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Matthew 28:18-20 New Living Translation
18Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth. 19Therefore, go and make disciples of all the nations,b baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. 20Teach these new disciples to obey all the commands I have given you. And be sure of this:
I a m w i t h y o u a l w a ys , e v e n t o t h e e n d o f t h e ag e .”
And notice how Jesus mentioned preaching to "nations". What nation are Christians? They are made up of all nations. So Gods peoole today form a nation in themselves... They must keep separate from but still help people of all nations with knowledge. Nation is more than a land designation.
*All true worshippers of Jehovah God are brought together, taught together and work together. That's called an organisation.**
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As you study the scriptures, have you not realized that the core doctrine of your organization is in blatant contadiction to Jesus' personal promise to all his true followers?
According to Matthew 28:19-20, Jesus assured us before his ascension that he would be with his true followers every day from the founding of the Christian congregation two thousand years ago until the end of this world.
Questions to the Bible teacher
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1.) What organization did the Apostles create in the first century?
2.) When was the organization of the Watchtower Society founded?
3.) What organization did the apostles and early disciples of Jesus belong to in the first century?
The New Covenant or the true People of God in the present epoch
I encourage you to take note of the following message of the Apostle Peter on this subject.
Since when has the modern people of God, who replaced the nation of Israel two thousand years ago, exist?
Did God create an earthly organization two thousand years ago as a kind of substitute for the nation of Israel, so to speak, or does God's people in this epoch consist of the individual members of the body of Christ whose admission into the New Covenant has been going on continuously for two thousand years now, and whose members are all called to the royal priesthood?
Did the early disciples of Jesus, such as Paul, John, and Peter, belong to the modern people of God that Peter defined in his first letter, or to an organization that was not founded until the end of the 19th century?
1 Peter 2,7-10 ( N W T Study Edition)
7 It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone”*
8 and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed.
9 B u t y o u a r e “ a c h o s e n r a c e , a r o y a l p r i e s t h o o d , a h o l y n a t i o n, a people for
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special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies”* of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
10 F o r y o u w e r e o n c e n o t a p e o p l e ,
b u t n o w y o u a r e G o d ’ s p e o p l e
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once you had not been shown mercy, but now you have received mercy.
@@MR-gx3gc Christianity replaced Israel/Jews in God's purpose... That was exactly the point made...
Acts 10:34,35 New Living Translation
The Gentiles Hear the Good News
34Then Peter replied, “I see very clearly that God shows no favoritism. *35In every nation he accepts those who fear him and do what is right.*
*36This is the message of Good News for the people of Israel* -that there is peace with God through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all
Galatians 3:5,28 New Living Translation
5I ask you again, *does God give you the Holy Spirit and work miracles among you because you obey the law? Of course not! It is because you believe the message you heard about Christ.*
*28There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.*
Revelation 5:9 New Living Translation
And they sang a new song with these words: “You are worthy to take the scroll and break its seals and open it. For you were slaughtered, and *your blood has ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.*
Matthew 7:13,14 New International Version
The Narrow and Wide Gates
13“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and *broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.* 14But small is the gate and *narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.*
Matthew 25:31-33, 46 New Living Translation
The Final Judgment
31“But when the Son of Mand comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit upon his glorious throne. *32All the nationse will be gathered in his presence, and he will separate the people as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.* 33He will place the sheep at his right hand and the goats at his left.
*46“And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”*
Revelation 7:9 New Living Translation
*After this I saw a vast crowd, too great to count, from every nation and tribe and people and language,* standing in front of the throne and before the Lamb. They were clothed in white robes and held palm branches in their hands.
Jesus doesn't select random people for survival on the day of judgment. *The ones who survive are obviously ones that chose to follow him - Christians.* They are collected together and rescued.
Luke 21:26-28 New Living Translation
26People will be terrified at what they see coming upon the earth, for the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 27Then everyone will see the Son of Man e coming on a cloud with power and great glory.f *28So when all these things begin to happen, stand and look up, for your salvation is near!”*
2 Thessalonians:6-10 New Living Translation
*6In his justice he will pay back those who persecute you. 7And God will provide rest for you who are being persecuted and also for us when the Lord Jesus appears from heaven. He will come with his mighty angels,* 8in flaming fire, bringing judgment on those who don’t know God and on those who refuse to obey the Good News of our Lord Jesus. 9They will be punished with eternal destruction, forever separated from the Lord and from his glorious power. *10When he comes on that day, he will receive glory from his holy people-praise from all who believe.* And this includes you, for you believed what we told you about him.
*Those ones that survive all know each other. They are one united group.* They depend on each other for mutual support as they obey Jesus and preach and teach...
Hebrews 10:24,25,32-34 New Living Translation
24Let us think of ways to motivate one another to acts of love and good works. *25And let us not neglect our meeting together,* as some people do, *but encourage one another, especially now that the day of his return is drawing near.*
32Think back on those early days when you first learned about Christ.j Remember how you remained faithful even though it meant terrible suffering. 33Sometimes you were exposed to public ridicule and were beaten, *and sometimes you helped others who were suffering the same things. 34You suffered along with those who were thrown into jail, and when all you owned was taken from you, you accepted it with joy.* You knew there were better things waiting for you that will last forever.
**True Christians are a united group of preachers/teachers - An organisation setup to accomplish that work.**
@@mo2874 Unfortunately, you have once again evaded my specific question, although it would be your duty to take a firm position on my question, since you appear in public as a certified Bible teacher.
For this reason, it seems necessary to recall the following message of the Apostle Peter in his first letter.
Accordingly, the apostle Peter defined God's people today, who replaced the nation of Israel under the Mosaic covenant two thousand years ago, as follows.
1 Peter 2,7-10 ( N W T Study Edition)
7 It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone”*
8 and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed.
9 B u t y o u a r e “ a c h o s e n r a c e , a r o y a l p r i e s t h o o d , a h o l y n a t i o n, a people for
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special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies”* of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
10 F o r y o u w e r e o n c e n o t a p e o p l e ,
b u t n o w y o u a r e G o d ’ s p e o p l e
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once you had not been shown mercy, but now you have received mercy.
How do you answer the following highly legitimate questions from a Bible student in the context of a regular Bible study?
Questions to the Bible scholar
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1.) Since when has the people of God, as defined by Peter in his first letter, exist?
2.) Did the first Christians, such as Peter and Paul, also belong to this people of God?
3.) According to the official teaching of the Watchtower Society, do you and your confreres also belong to this people of God defined by Peter, who are called to the royal priesthood?
@@MR-gx3gc Again, I don't owe you an answer to any question you ask. Remember, you're commenting on my comment. Plus you don't want to understand truth, you want to hate on Jehovah's Witnesses.
Anyone with half an open mind would see that Jehovah's Witnesses as an organisation have a deep respect for Jehovah and his word the bible... it's beyond question. Their lives revolve around learning and preaching/teaching the bible. What other organisation can you say that about?...
No other group (Christian or otherwise) have been consistent for over 100 years like Jehovah's Witnesses. *Every member is expected to do what they can to help others learn about Jehovah and the bible...*
John 15:14-17 New Living Translation
*14You are my friends if you do what I command.* 15I no longer call you slaves, because a master doesn’t confide in his slaves. Now you are my friends, since I have told you everything the Father told me. 16You didn’t choose me. I chose you. *I appointed you to go and produce lasting fruit,* so that the Father will give you whatever you ask for, using my name. *17This is my command: Love each other.*
Jehovah's Witnesses love others by teaching them. They love oneanother and others by not involving themselves in armed conflicts or terrorist activities. The worst we do is cut off association from members who refused to hold to God's standards that they agree to.... and that's only until they change their ways...
*I love Jehovah's Witnesses. If everyone was like them the world would be unrecognisable. It would be like what happened when the Israelites really followed Gods ways in the time of Solomon...*
1 Kings 4:25 New Living Translation
*During the lifetime of Solomon, all of Judah and Israel lived in peace and safety.* And from Dan in the north to Beersheba in the south, each family had its own home and garden.
“….nnooooooo… NO!”
The Bible says at the end time GODs people would be prosecuted, perfect example!!! Respect all religions
I have content on Mormons. Plus there are bigger channels that attack the LDS and WMSCOG, not to mention the hundreds of channels with millions of followers that attack mainstream Christianity or the Catholic Church. Are they now the truth because of “persecution”? Also Paul was persecuting the Jews when he told them they were wrong, Ignatius wasn’t persecuting the gnostics when he corrected them. I don’t respect false gospels, and neither did Paul, ( Galatians 1)
Prosecuted? Like for covering up child sex abuse? Lol
@@ramrod576You mean catholic
@@leopoldocastillon4129 nah I literally mean Jehovah's witnesses. See Australian royal commission. Pennsylvania 16 . Etc. CSA settlements using holy funds.
@@leopoldocastillon4129ARC.
If GOD is three persons and all are named JEHOVAH, and if you see them in front of you, count one by one, how MANY JEHOVAH do you see? that is THREE JEHOVAH, and Deut 6:4 says JEHOVAH IS ONE JEHOVAH. and THAT IS NOT THREE JEHOVAH
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U N D E R S T A N D T H E S E and y o u a r e s t u c k a g a i n like a blind robot -
P A S - P A N T A - A L L O T H E R f o r P A S -
New King James Version And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered such things?
New American Standard Bible And Jesus responded and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans just because they have suffered this fate?
NASB 1995 And Jesus said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate?
NASB 1977 And He answered and said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans, because they suffered this fate?
Legacy Standard Bible And Jesus answered and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered these things?
Amplified Bible Jesus replied to them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all other Galileans because they have suffered in this way?
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Unfortunately, it is necessary to teach you once again like a schoolchild in elementary school.
Firstly, you've forfeited any authority to call me a robot after you're the one notorious for your stereotypical repetition of comments.
Secondly, it is inadmissible to answer a specific question with an evasive counter-question.
Thirdly, it is a matter of style to take the trouble to indicate the source of a Bible text for the recipient of your message; a procedure that you obviously consider dispensable.
Fourthly, you should structure your comments transparently for the recipient of your message.
Fifthly, it is indispensable to subject a biblical text to a coherent exegesis.
Luke 13.2 (ESV)
2 And he answered them, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than
a l l ("panta") the o t h e r (" p a r a " ) Galileans, because they suffered in this way?
The appropriate translation for the word "para" can be found in the following explanations in Bible Hub.
Biblehub Strong 3844
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para: from beside, by the side of, by, beside
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Original Word: παρά
Part of Speech: Preposition
Transliteration: para
Phonetic Spelling: (par-ah')
Definition: from beside, by the side of, by, beside
Usage: gen: from; dat: beside, in the presence of; acc: alongside of.
Question to the Bible scholar
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Does the word "para" appear in the following two scriptures in addition to the word "panta"?
John 1,3 ( ESV)
A l l t h i n g s ( " p a n t a" ) were made through him, and w i t h o u t h i m was n o t a n y t h i n g made that
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was made.
Colossians 1,16 ( ESV)
16 For by him a l l t h i n g s (" p a n t a " ) w e r e c r e a t e d , in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-
a l l t h i n g s ( " p a n t a" ) w e r e c r e a t e d t h r o u g h h i m and for him.
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@@MR-gx3gcHebrew word for God is Elohim, which is plural. Hebrew word for Yahweh is YHWH . Jehovah is not found in ANY manuscripts. It’s not until LXX that we get Jehovah.
Can you prove to me that Jesus is God by using the jw Bible ?
Yea I can. I plan to do that in August during a live session.
@@LightoverDarkMinistry can you make a video pls
@@S1ayerq926 I’ll see what I can do
Ezekiel 34:23 I will raise up one shepherd over them, my servant David, and he will feed them. He himself will feed them and become THEIR SHEPHERD. 24 And I, Jehovah, will become their God, and my servant David a chieftain among them. I myself, Jehovah, have spoken.
Jesus' sheep belong to one united organization. Believing and teaching one and the same truth. 1 Corinthians 1:10.
Revelation 18;4. When God warns those who genuinely love him to get out of false religion, where do these go to? Sit at home and twiddle their thumbs? Or to the one organization God has set up. The one carrying out God's Will in an organized way.
Lying?
Jehovah's people have always rallied round a point... *Jehovah always had human leaders to help them...*
Exodus 32:26 New Living Translation
So he stood at the entrance to the camp and shouted, *“All of you who are on the LORD’s side, come here and join me.”* And all the Levites gathered around him.
American Standard Version
then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, *Whoso is on Jehovah's side, let him come unto me.* And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
Joshua 24:15 Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And if it is evil in your eyes to serve LORD JEHOVAH, *choose for yourselves today whom you serve, if the gods that your fathers served at the crossing of the river, or the gods of the Amorites* where you dwell in their land, *but I and the children of my household, we serve LORD JEHOVAH; he is God!”*
1 Kings 18:21 American Standard Version
And Elijah came near unto all the people, and said, *How long go ye limping between the two sides? if Jehovah be God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him.* And the people answered him not a word.
2 Kings 10:15,16 New Living Translation
15When Jehu left there, he met Jehonadab son of Recab, who was coming to meet him. After they had greeted each other, Jehu said to him, “Are you as loyal to me as I am to you?”
“Yes, I am,” Jehonadab replied.
“If you are,” Jehu said, “then give me your hand.” So Jehonadab put out his hand, and Jehu helped him into the chariot. *16Then Jehu said, “Now come with me, and see how devoted I am to the LORD.”* So Jehonadab rode along with him.
American Standard Version
*16And he said, Come with me, and see my zeal for Jehovah.* So they made him ride in his chariot.
John 3:14-17 New Living Translation
14And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, *15so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.f*
16“For this is how God loved the world: He gaveg his one and only Son, *so that everyone who believes in him* will not perish but have eternal life. 17God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.
Jesus said in his absence there would be a Servant designated to look after his followers...
Matthew 24:44-46 New Living Translation
44You also must be ready all the time, for the Son of Man will come when least expected.
*45“A faithful, sensible servant is one to whom the master can give the responsibility of managing his other household servants and feeding them.*
*46If the master returns and finds that the servant has done a good job,* there will be a reward.
47I tell you the truth, *the master will put that servant in charge of all he owns.*
**The question is has Jesus returned? If No, there is a servant...if Yes, there is a servant...**
Jesus stated there would be a human source of guidance from the point his left till he returned...there was no mention of no oversight...
John 20:20,21 Amplified Bible
20After He said this, He showed them His hands and His side. When the disciples saw the Lord, they were filled with great joy. *21Then Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you; as the Father has sent Me, I also send you [as My representatives].”*
John 21:17 New Living Translation
A third time he asked him, “Simon son of John, do you love me?” Peter was hurt that Jesus asked the question a third time. He said, “Lord, you know everything. You know that I love you.” *Jesus said, “Then feed my sheep.*
Ephesians 4:7-13 New Living Translation
7However, he has given each one of us a special gifta through the generosity of Christ. 8That is why the Scriptures say,
*“When he ascended to the heights,
he led a crowd of captives and gave gifts to his people.”b*
9Notice that it says “he ascended.” This clearly means that Christ also descended to our lowly world.c 10And the same one who descended is the one who ascended higher than all the heavens, so that he might fill the entire universe with himself.
*11Now these are the gifts Christ gave to the church: the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, and the pastors and teachers.*
*12Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ.* 13This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up to the full and complete standard of Christ.
*Notice those men, Apostles etc were given the responsibility of building up the BODY of Christ* ...his followers. *So they are over the body of Christian members - A GOVERNING body....*
**And Jesus had said human oversight would be there till his return and their responsibilities expanded still further...***
So WHO is that human Servant/Governing body today????
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Notice those men, Apostles etc were given the responsibility of building up the BODY of Christ ... his followers. So they are over the body of Christian members - A GOVERNING body....
And Jesus had said human oversight would be there till his return and their responsibilities expanded still further...*
So W H O i s t h a t h u m a n S e r v a n t / G o v e r n i n g b o d y t o d a y ? ? ? ?
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Your remarks reveal to viewers on this channel in a frightening way that you have not internalized the true meaning of the apostle Paul's message in his letter to the Ephesians.
Moreover, it is impossible that there was a governing body for Christian congregations in the first century, since Jesus Christ left the following unequivocal command to all his followers before his ascension.
Matthew 23:8-12 ( N W T Study Edition)
8 But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher
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9 Moreover, d o n o t c a l l a n y o n e y o u r f a t h e r o n e a r t h , for one is your Father,i the heavenly One.
10 N e i t h e r b e c a l l e d l e a d e r s , f o r y o u r L e a d e r i s o n e , t h e C h r i s t .
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11 But the greatest one among you must be your minister.
12 W h o e v e r e x a l t s h i m s e l f w i l l b e h u m b l e d , and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
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Consequently, Jesus declared it inadmissible for any of his followers to appropriate the title of a leading or even ruling or governing class within the Brotherhood, since such a title and the position associated with it are reserved exclusively for Jesus Christ.
In addition, Jesus instructed his apostles to proclaim the gospel he entrusted to them original orally and to immortalize it in their writings. For this reason, all the writings of the New Testament date from the first century. Since then, no further writings have been added to these writings, because the Gospel recorded in them no longer needs to be revised or modified.
Galatians 1:6-9 ( N W T Study Edition)
6 I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from the One who called you with Christ's undeserved kindness to another sort of good news.
7 N o t t h a t t h e r e i s a n o t h e r g o o d n e w s ; but there are certain ones who are causing you troubleh and
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wanting to distort the good news about the Christ.
8 H o w e v e r , e v e n i f w e o r a n a n g e l o u t o f h e a v e n were to declare to you as good news something
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beyond the good news we declared to you, l e t h i m b e a c c u r s e d.
9 As we have said before, I now say again,
W h o e v e r i s d e c l a r i n g t o y o u a s g o o d n e w s
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s o m e t h i n g b e y o n d w h a t y o u a c c e p t e d ,
l e t h i m b e a c c u r s e d .
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1 Corinthians 15:1-3 ( N W T Study Edition)
1 Now I remind you, brothers, of t h e g o o d n e w s
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w h i c h y o u a l s o a c c e p t e d , a n d f o r
which you have taken your stand.
2 T h r o u g h i t y o u a r e a l s o b e i n g s a v e d
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i f y o u h o l d f i r m l y t o t h e g o o d n e w s
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I d e c l a r e d t o y o u ,
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u n l e s s y o u b e c a m e b e l i e v e r s f o r n o t h i n g.
Acts 20,17- 21 ( N W T Study Edition)
17 However, from Mi·leʹtus he sent word to Ephʹe·sus and called for the elders of the congregation.
18 When they came to him, he said to them: "You well know how I conducted myself among you from the first day I stepped into the province of Asia,
19 slaving for the Lord with all humility and with tears and trials that befell me by the plots of the Jews,
20 w h i l e I n o t h o l d b a c k f r o m t e l l i n g y o u
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a n y o f t h e t h i n g s t h a t w e r e p r o f i t a b l e *
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nor from teaching you publicly and from house to house.
21 But I thoroughly bore witness both to Jews and to Greeks about repentance toward God and faith in our Lord Jesus.
For this reason, Paul also admonished his confreres several times that they are obliged to hold fast to the message he preached in the 1st century.
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1.) In which of their writings did the Apostles refer to themselves as members of a "Governing Body" to their confreres?
2.) Where in the New Testament is it foretold that Jesus would appoint other apostles in addition to the apostles he personally called in the 1st century?
3.) Did Paul explain in his writings that Christ's followers must hold fast to his teachings and messages, or that they should be receptive to a modified gospel in the future?
4.) Does the Governing Body obey the Apostle Paul's command not to accept gold and silver from his confreres, and does its conduct conform to the Apostle Paul's principle: "It is more blessed to give than to receive"?
Acts 20,31- 35 ( N W T Study Edition)
31 "Therefore keep awake, and bear in mind that for three years, night and day, I never stopped admonishing each one of you with tears.
32 And now I entrust you to God and to the word of his undeserved kindness, which word can build you up and give you the inheritance among all the sanctified ones.
33 I h a v e d e s i r e d n o m a n ' s s i l v e r o r g o l d o r c l o t h i n g .
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34 Y o u y o u r s e l v e s k n o w t h a t t h e s e h a n d s h a v e p r o v i d e d f o r m y o w n n e e d s
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a n d t h e n e e d s o f t h o s e w i t h m e .
35 I have shown you in all things that by working hard in this way, you must assist those who are weak and must keep in mind the words of the Lord Jesus, when he himself said:
' T h e r e i s m o r e h a p p i n e s s i n g i v i n g t h a n t h e r e i s i n r e c e i v i n g . ’
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Questions to the Bible scholar
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1.) In which of their writings did the Apostles refer to themselves as members of a "Governing Body" to their confreres?
2.) Where in the New Testament is it foretold that Jesus would appoint other apostles in addition to the apostles he personally called in the 1st century?
3.) Did Paul explain in his writings that Christ's followers must hold fast to his teachings and messages, or that they should be receptive to a modified gospel in the future?
4.) Does the Governing Body obey the Apostle Paul's command not to accept gold and silver from his confreres, and does its conduct conform to the Apostle Paul's principle: "It is more blessed to give than to receive"?
Acts 20,31- 35 ( N W T Study Edition)
31 "Therefore keep awake, and bear in mind that for three years, night and day, I never stopped admonishing each one of you with tears.
32 And now I entrust you to God and to the word of his undeserved kindness, which word can build you up and give you the inheritance among all the sanctified ones.
33 I h a v e d e s i r e d n o m a n ' s s i l v e r o r g o l d o r c l o t h i n g .
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34 Y o u y o u r s e l v e s k n o w t h a t t h e s e h a n d s h a v e p r o v i d e d f o r m y o w n n e e d s
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a n d t h e n e e d s o f t h o s e w i t h m e .
35 I have shown you in all things that by working hard in this way, you must assist those who are weak and must keep in mind the words of the Lord Jesus, when he himself said:
' T h e r e i s m o r e h a p p i n e s s i n g i v i n g t h a n t h e r e i s i n r e c e i v i n g . ’
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@@MR-gx3gc I'll reply one time to your comments on the basic of showing *how intent you are on showing Jehovah’s Witnesses are wrong...rather than wanting truth to be known* ....
First "Governing Body" is a recognised term for ones in oversight...it doesn’t have to be designated in scripture. However scripturally it holds true...
*A governing body is a group of people that has the authority to exercise governance over an organization* or political entity.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governing_body
1 Corinthians 12:12,13 New Living Translation
One Body with Many Parts
12The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. *So it is with the body of Christ. 13Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles,e some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body* by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.f
27All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it. *28Here are some of the parts God has appointed* for the church:
*first are apostles,*second are prophets, third are teachers, then those who do miracles, those who have the gift of healing, those who can help others, *those who have the gift of leadership,* those who speak in unknown languages.
Acts 15:6,23 New Living Translation
*The Council at Jerusalem*
6So the apostles and elders met together to resolve this issue.
23This is the letter they took with them:
*“This letter is from the apostles and elders, your brothers in Jerusalem.* It is written to the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia. Greetings!
Why would the Christian congregation start with oversight and then suddenly not have any as time progressed? And bare in mind Christianity would spread and increase....requiring more oversight not less...
Titus 1:5 New Living Translation
I left you on the island of Crete so you could complete our work there and *appoint elders in each town as I instructed you.*
1 Timothy 3:1,2 New Living Translation
Leaders in the Church
1This is a trustworthy saying: *“If someone aspires to be a church leader,a he desires an honorable position.”* 2So a church leader must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife.
Next you state the Apostles did not have financial support. You gave a scripture to support this ...but you used it out of context.
Acts 20:33-35 New Living Translation
*33“I have never coveted anyone’s silver or gold or fine clothes. 34You know that these hands of mine have worked to supply my own needs* and even the needs of those who were with me. *35And I have been a constant example of how you can help those in need by working hard.* You should remember the words of the Lord Jesus: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”
However, *Paul was entitled to material support but on occasion chose not to accept it. In his position and role he was entitled to support...*
1 Corinthians 9:3-12 New Living Translation
3This is my answer to those who question my authority.a *4Don’t we have the right to live in your homes and share your meals?* 5Don’t we have the right to bring a believing wifeb with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peterc does? 6Or is it only Barnabas and I who have to work to support ourselves?
*7What soldier has to pay his own expenses? What farmer plants a vineyard and doesn’t have the right to eat some of its fruit? What shepherd cares for a flock of sheep and isn’t allowed to drink some of the milk?* 8Am I expressing merely a human opinion, or does the law say the same thing? 9For the law of Moses says, “You must not muzzle an ox to keep it from eating as it treads out the grain.”d Was God thinking only about oxen when he said this? *10Wasn’t he actually speaking to us? Yes, it was written for us, so that the one who plows and the one who threshes the grain might both expect a share of the harvest.*
11Since we have planted spiritual seed among you, aren’t we entitled to a harvest of physical food and drink? *12If you support others who preach to you, shouldn’t we have an even greater right to be supported? But we have never used this right.* We would rather put up with anything than be an obstacle to the Good News about Christ.
Acts 4:34-37 New Living Translation
34There were no needy people among them, because those who owned land or houses would sell them *35and bring the money to the apostles to give to those in need.*
36For instance, there was Joseph, the one the apostles nicknamed Barnabas (which means “Son of Encouragement”). He was from the tribe of Levi and came from the island of Cyprus. *37He sold a field he owned and brought the money to the apostles.*
I'll reply one time to your comments on the basis of showing *how intent you are on showing Jehovah’s Witnesses are wrong...rather than wanting truth to be known* ....
First "Governing Body" is a recognised term for ones in oversight...it doesn’t have to be designated in scripture. However, scripturally it holds true...
*A governing body is a group of people that has the authority to exercise governance over an organization* or political entity.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governing_body
1 Corinthians 12:12,13 New Living Translation
One Body with Many Parts
12The human body has many parts, but the many parts make up one whole body. *So it is with the body of Christ. 13Some of us are Jews, some are Gentiles,e some are slaves, and some are free. But we have all been baptized into one body* by one Spirit, and we all share the same Spirit.f
27All of you together are Christ’s body, and each of you is a part of it. *28Here are some of the parts God has appointed* for the church:
*first are apostles,* second are prophets, third are teachers, then those who do miracles, those who have the gift of healing, those who can help others, *those who have the gift of leadership,* those who speak in unknown languages.
Acts 15:6,23 New Living Translation
*The Council at Jerusalem*
6So the apostles and elders met together to resolve this issue.
23This is the letter they took with them:
*“This letter is from the apostles and elders, your brothers in Jerusalem.* It is written to the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia. Greetings!
Why would the Christian congregation start with oversight and then suddenly not have any as time progressed? And bare in mind Christianity would spread and increase....requiring more oversight not less.
Titus 1:5 New Living Translation
I left you on the island of Crete so you could complete our work there and *appoint elders in each town as I instructed you.*
1 Timothy 3:1,2 New Living Translation
Leaders in the Church
1This is a trustworthy saying: *“If someone aspires to be a church leader,a he desires an honorable position.”* 2So a church leader must be a man whose life is above reproach. He must be faithful to his wife.
Next you state the Apostles did not request money. You gave a scripture to support this ...but you used it out of context.
Acts 20:33-35 New Living Translation
*33“I have never coveted anyone’s silver or gold or fine clothes. 34You know that these hands of mine have worked to supply my own needs* and even the needs of those who were with me. *35And I have been a constant example of how you can help those in need by working hard.* You should remember the words of the Lord Jesus: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”
However, Paul was entitled to material support but on occasion chose not to accept it...
1 Corinthians 9:3-12 New Living Translation
3This is my answer to those who question my authority.a *4Don’t we have the right to live in your homes and share your meals?* 5Don’t we have the right to bring a believing wifeb with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peterc does? 6Or is it only Barnabas and I who have to work to support ourselves?
*7What soldier has to pay his own expenses? What farmer plants a vineyard and doesn’t have the right to eat some of its fruit? What shepherd cares for a flock of sheep and isn’t allowed to drink some of the milk?* 8Am I expressing merely a human opinion, or does the law say the same thing? 9For the law of Moses says, “You must not muzzle an ox to keep it from eating as it treads out the grain.”d Was God thinking only about oxen when he said this? *10Wasn’t he actually speaking to us? Yes, it was written for us, so that the one who plows and the one who threshes the grain might both expect a share of the harvest.*
11Since we have planted spiritual seed among you, aren’t we entitled to a harvest of physical food and drink? *12If you support others who preach to you, shouldn’t we have an even greater right to be supported? But we have never used this right.* We would rather put up with anything than be an obstacle to the Good News about Christ.
Acts 4:34-37 New Living Translation
34There were no needy people among them, because those who owned land or houses would sell them *35and bring the money to the apostles to give to those in need.*
36For instance, there was Joseph, the one the apostles nicknamed Barnabas (which means “Son of Encouragement”). He was from the tribe of Levi and came from the island of Cyprus. *37He sold a field he owned and brought the money to the apostles.*
@@MR-gx3gc And I have replied but couldn't direct it to you as it wouldn't post...
False! Daniel was born a jew in the nation of Israel b4 it was taken over by babylon for false worship and they were exiled.. . He was part of the nation and that's why 70 yrs later when the prophecy of the nation's return was fulfilled he was given an angelic visitor as he was to old to make to journey back to Jerusalem. You my man don't have your facts straight , therefore a liar!
People want to hate on JWs but I just don't get it . .
Which organization was Daniel apart of? Was he in an organization because he was a certain race?
I said he was part of the nation of Israel. . In the video you said he was not, Daniel was not part of the nation cause he was in babylon and lived there. He was still an Israelite by birth and only followed babylonian law if it didn't interfere with what he vowed to God as an Israelite. . So your wrong in using Daniel
@@suntzu7691 He was an Israeli by birthright obviously, but that's a nation and an ethnic people, not an org, and by the way a corrupt nation at the time, hence why Daniel was in Babylon. Also, I said he wasn't IN Israel, nor was he associated with an organization. Both true. He was IN Babylon. He was not hanging out with representatives from Israel under their direction. If JW's want to make the Israel just like the Org, it can't work, since that was a race of people. You can be an Israeli, without being in Israel. For JW's, you must be IN the org.
@@suntzu7691 I encourage you to take note of the following message of the Apostle Peter on this subject.
Since when has the modern people of God, who replaced the nation of Israel two thousand years ago, exist?
Did God create an earthly organization two thousand years ago as a kind of substitute for the nation of Israel, so to speak, or does God's people in this epoch consist of the individual members of the body of Christ whose admission into the New Covenant has been going on continuously for two thousand years now, and whose members are all called to the royal priesthood?
Did the early disciples of Jesus, such as Paul, John, and Peter, belong to the modern people of God that Peter defined in his first letter, or to an organization that was not founded until the end of the 19th century?
1 Peter 2,7-10 ( N W T Study Edition)
7 It is to you, therefore, that he is precious, because you are believers; but to those not believing, “the stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone”*
8 and “a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense.” They are stumbling because they are disobedient to the word. To this very end they were appointed.
9 B u t y o u a r e “ a c h o s e n r a c e , a r o y a l p r i e s t h o o d , a h o l y n a t i o n, a people for
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special possession, that you should declare abroad the excellencies”* of the One who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
10 F o r y o u w e r e o n c e n o t a p e o p l e ,
b u t n o w y o u a r e G o d ’ s p e o p l e
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once you had not been shown mercy, but now you have received mercy.
To @johncolege 1651 Jesus last words to his disciples before ascending to heaven were "You will be witnesses of ME"
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