Laura, you just gave the most comprehensive and sensible report I have ever found on the subject of these cart ruts. This video agrees with my extensive thoughts on the subject. I will venture to say, "You, nailed it!" Keep up the AMAZING work 😊
Laura, you are brilliant. You actually made the topic of cart ruts interesting. I was a little skeptical reading the title, but you did it. Kudos to you.
Not a scientist but a trained observer: i had always wondered why the cart wheels were illustrated as large as they were but having seen the Oregon trail ruts and now these, I understand. It placed them above the ground and lined the cart high enough to allow the drawing animals be at a functional level.
The "cart ruts" in Turkey's Phrygia Valley are petrified "mud". Seach for, Alexander Koltypin Phrygia Valley Turkey dopotopa Also search for, Peter Mungo Jupp: Instant Fossilization
Bingo! A copy of my comment: Or, a heavy vehicle over soft terrain, 1 time. Like the Ancient footprints found in Limestone. They may very well be in the era of all the Geo-Megalific Anomalies, which appear to be "pre-flood". It is not wise to ignore the more obvious. The start point is to: Prove what age, prove Bronze Age, Neolithic, etc. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian
@@bethbartlett5692 The super strong solar activity alter the climate(rain) and volcanic activity, so we end with a lot of mud/volcanic ash, then the high energy from the super strong solar activity also creates the instant fossilization. The age? Maybe from the last planet reset, Younger Dryas. When I learned about instant fossilization, the image of Lot's wife(Genesis 19) came to mind. Alexander Koltypin analysis of the Phrygia Valley "cart ruts" shows that they were made by motorized vehicles(lack of animal track) with independent suspension for each wheel! We have "cart ruts" everywhere even in the Americas like in Texas(USA) and Paraíba(Brazil). The "cart ruts" in the USA do not match the pattern that a typical USA model cart would leave. Anyone who lives in rural areas or practice off-roading can clear see without any doubt that many "cart ruts" are indeed fossilized motorized(lack of animal track) vehicles tracks.
More Bronze Age evidence; the obvious inundation of roads clearly leading under the sea that I think are exciting. The tracks point the way to underwater settlements inundated likely early in the Bronze Age at a time when sea level rise seemed still a threat. Do the tracks underwater lead into the ocean on the eastern and southern approaches to the islands? Do they lead into the strait between your two main islands? Follow the Yellow Brick Road with an expedition into that shallow Sea and maybe hit the Bronze Age jackpot. SZ
I lived in st Julian’s,and as I a 14 year old was intrigued by the tracks which frequently cross when leading down to the sea.The deforestation of the island will have also played a part in the tracks creation for reasons unknown,ship building perhaps.
Thanks for the lack of woo. A nice overview. I wonder if the multiple rut pairs just indicate where the ruts became too worn/deep, and an alternative path nearby was established. I have seen this very human process with foot pathways in many places,
Yup, you're right, couldn't pass this up and another informative video. I think that the ruts were deliberately carved cart ruts to get from one place to another on that limestone mountain, but where to? Do they go to potential ports or settlements? Were they part of a general transportation network on the islands? It struck me listening to you that there is one aspect of this mystery, one smoking gun, that would solve the whole problem of when the carts were built and the ruts were made. The mystery is already partly solved. And it is this. The oxen wouldn't be shod to prevent their slippage on the escarpment but the cartwheels used would have to be 'shod', rimmed in either bronze or iron but metal in any case. Wooden wheels would have disintegrated after a few days traveling on rough stone. Just chewed up. Any examples of ancient carts in the collections on your island? So early Bronze age at the earliest (perhaps) based on that detail, the wheel rim, certainly by the Iron Age, but it sounds like Bronze Age. Where did the wood for carts come from? What is the pattern of Bronze Age or Iron Age settlements on the islands and do they relate to the roads? Thanks, SZ
I finally found the time to watch your vid Laura. The cart rut mystery fascinates me. Many questions. I would assume this is a transportation route. If so.......I like the idea that the wheels are large diameter made out of planks. The cost of installing iron or bronze tread rims would have been enormous back then. So I wondered if limestone could be worn down by hardwoods over time. Shrinking iron rims on a wooden wheel back then would be the equivalent of buying titanium rims for my 2002 Dodge Caravan. I googled the question about the ability to wear down limestone with a wooden wheel only.........all I seem to get is info about countertops. I restructured questions over and over again.........same silly results. I ain't giving up.
I speculate that the rutting is created by the dragging of ropes used to roll loads along their paths. Friction wear is consistent with the depth of the rutting where wheels actually aren’t. And yes there is conceivable ways to use a wrap,around heavy loads, to roll them to them destination.
@@MegalithHunterany engineer or builder would avoid a sharp turn as it would create extra difficulty in use as well as lengthen the track they had to build for no reason at all. A straight line from 1 point to another is always easist to build and use...
Any estimates on the diameter of the wheels? Seems like they would have to be pretty big to accommodate the depth of the track and clearance of the axle.
... or a heavy vehicle over soft terrain. They may very well be in the era of all the Geo-Megalific Anomalies, which appear to be "pre-flood". It is not wise to ignore the more obvious. The start point is to: Prove what age, prove Bronze Age, Neolithic, etc Keep in mind the footprints found in various harden Geological materials. Beth Bartlett Sociologist/Behavioralist and Historian
so, i finally watched this....thot it was to be premiered today, the 27th, not yesterday, the 26th? and, i'm still waiting for the "marathon" of videos!?!? had to put this comment here as it wouldn't let me create a new one!??!!?? anyhoo, here goes...... still an enigma, to me. the possible explanations seem to be endless.....to haul or not to haul.....wheeled or not wheeled......worn over time or carved intentionally... drainage? why this? or that? the similarity to "known" cart ruts across the region seems to point to hauling heavy loads on carts, wheeled or not.....we know the Egyptians used sled-like contraptions so, others could have, also. however, these tracks appear more like wheeled cart creations. damifiknow🤔 i'd really like to know for sure but......probably never will. some things will always be mysteries, as they should be......makes life a wee bit more interesting😮 at any rate, a very interesting, thought provoking, and enjoyable video, dear Laura! thank you for the 1st person type of footage.....almost like being there👍👍 catchya later!
In Pompeii there are cart-ruts. The streets of Pompeii were in use for about 100 years only. All it takes to make cart-ruts is having traffic for 100 years or so. There is no mystery in cart-ruts.
@@MegalithHunter What does that mean? Not the same phenomenon? Do they look different? What does "well documented" mean? Has someone come come up with an explanation?
@@MegalithHunter You should really take another look at the American ruts. They go underneath riverbeds then straight overt the mountain under the buildings in town. There was a recent exploration video. Thanks for your response & I loved the video keep it up!
I think you mean correlation does not mean causation, there is clear correlation but it could just be circumstantial, as you say they could be near quarries because that is where the limestone is that needs to be traversed. However as the mass required to cause the ruts is only really explained by transporting lime stone this does imply causation. Not only in their purpose but also in their very creation.
@@Stan-b3v You are correct of course, I am guilty of listening to the historians tale of the turns being too tight for skids to turn inside, the tighter turns may have been created at a much later date. Personally I think that they were made by some form of Rikshaw, this would explain the equal distance between the ruts.
Unless they were diving into sea hundreds of meters from the island the ruts were made before malta became an island. Prior to the younger dryas so they are at least 12,500 years old.
Laura, if the temples were not serviced by roads how did the ancients make their choices of where to build their temples and how did they get any above ground structural elements there without some kind of road? No comprende! I know hypogea were excavated from underground on site. To you I want to recommend incidentally the video regarding a mind blowing temple in stone in India, land of mind-blowing stone architecture. So enjoy ruclips.net/video/o8Gx2B-O06Y/видео.html
This doesnt make sense at all. Deep ruts being eroded implies ALOT of traffic over a very long time. How big are the quarries??? The amount of stone removed doesnt seem enough to cause such traffic as to create such deep erosion. I doubt they were eroded by use, and still not convinced at all they were used by carts.
Malta was definitely around in the first century. Paul was aboard a ship after standing before Festus and Agrippa. He was going to Rome to stand before Ceasar. Which was either Claudius or Nero. While on the ship, bad weather hit, and the ship ran aground, and they all swam to shore on an island called malta. Of course, the book of Acts doesn't talk about the cart-ruts, but why would it? What it does say is that the islanders were foreign speaking. So they didn't speak Latin, Greek, or Hebrew. It also says they were really nice people. Others, not the bible, say they may have been giants. 😂😅. The bible talks of the principal man of the island, Publius. Who is a St in the Roman Catholic Church. Feast day Jan 22 and in the orthodox March 13. 🤔, Pope Francis =122, and Jorge became Pope on March 13th. Now we're talking about the order of St John of Jerusalem or Knights of Malta or Knights Templar. Which has to do with John of Brienne, more than John the Baptist. Otherwise, the fourth council of lateran would not have happened, nor 10/13/1307, for that matter. So maybe those cart- ruts are like the underground railroad in America? Or just routes of the slave trade before the America's. It's more like the slave trade if I were to guess. Peace
The "undergound railroad" is a figure of speech referring to a social phenomenon of covert travel and accommodation. It was not a physical railroad, which would have been obvious to and destroyed by the slaving culture.
Laura, you just gave the most comprehensive and sensible report I have ever found on the subject of these cart ruts.
This video agrees with my extensive thoughts on the subject.
I will venture to say, "You, nailed it!"
Keep up the AMAZING work 😊
Laura, you are brilliant. You actually made the topic of cart ruts interesting. I was a little skeptical reading the title, but you did it. Kudos to you.
Thank you 😀
@@MegalithHunter You are very welcome.
Not a scientist but a trained observer: i had always wondered why the cart wheels were illustrated as large as they were but having seen the Oregon trail ruts and now these, I understand. It placed them above the ground and lined the cart high enough to allow the drawing animals be at a functional level.
I like the idea of multiple timeframes for creation and use. Thanks Laura!
The "cart ruts" in Turkey's Phrygia Valley are petrified "mud".
Seach for, Alexander Koltypin Phrygia Valley Turkey dopotopa
Also search for, Peter Mungo Jupp: Instant Fossilization
Bingo!
A copy of my comment:
Or, a heavy vehicle over soft terrain, 1 time. Like the Ancient footprints found in Limestone.
They may very well be in the era of all the Geo-Megalific Anomalies, which appear to be "pre-flood".
It is not wise to ignore the more obvious.
The start point is to:
Prove what age, prove Bronze Age, Neolithic, etc.
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
@@bethbartlett5692 The super strong solar activity alter the climate(rain) and volcanic activity, so we end
with a lot of mud/volcanic ash, then the high energy from the super strong solar activity
also creates the instant fossilization. The age? Maybe from the last planet reset, Younger Dryas.
When I learned about instant fossilization, the image of Lot's wife(Genesis 19) came to mind.
Alexander Koltypin analysis of the Phrygia Valley "cart ruts" shows that they were made
by motorized vehicles(lack of animal track) with independent suspension for each wheel!
We have "cart ruts" everywhere even in the Americas like in Texas(USA) and Paraíba(Brazil).
The "cart ruts" in the USA do not match the pattern that a typical USA model cart would leave.
Anyone who lives in rural areas or practice off-roading can clear see without any doubt
that many "cart ruts" are indeed fossilized motorized(lack of animal track) vehicles tracks.
More Bronze Age evidence; the obvious inundation of roads clearly leading under the sea that I think are exciting. The tracks point the way to underwater settlements inundated likely early in the Bronze Age at a time when sea level rise seemed still a threat. Do the tracks underwater lead into the ocean on the eastern and southern approaches to the islands? Do they lead into the strait between your two main islands? Follow the Yellow Brick Road with an expedition into that shallow Sea and maybe hit the Bronze Age jackpot. SZ
Is it possible the ruts that end in water could have led to a bridge, causeway or dock?
I lived in st Julian’s,and as I a 14 year old was intrigued by the tracks which frequently cross when leading down to the sea.The deforestation of the island will have also played a part in the tracks creation for reasons unknown,ship building perhaps.
Wow, that was fab, finally some great answers. Still would like to know what the sea level rise is since the bronze age. Thanks Laura 😊
An enigma wrapped in a mystery indeed !
4:59 - Wow, I love the way you described this ancient artifact 🗺 It felt like I was right there discovering it!
Thanks for the lack of woo. A nice overview. I wonder if the multiple rut pairs just indicate where the ruts became too worn/deep, and an alternative path nearby was established. I have seen this very human process with foot pathways in many places,
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Thank you so much!
Oh neat. This has fascinated me since I first heard of them.
Great video, when I'm stuck in a Rut I have a Cart load of Maltesers
😂
HA,nice one.
Yup, you're right, couldn't pass this up and another informative video. I think that the ruts were deliberately carved cart ruts to get from one place to another on that limestone mountain, but where to? Do they go to potential ports or settlements? Were they part of a general transportation network on the islands? It struck me listening to you that there is one aspect of this mystery, one smoking gun, that would solve the whole problem of when the carts were built and the ruts were made. The mystery is already partly solved. And it is this. The oxen wouldn't be shod to prevent their slippage on the escarpment but the cartwheels used would have to be 'shod', rimmed in either bronze or iron but metal in any case. Wooden wheels would have disintegrated after a few days traveling on rough stone. Just chewed up. Any examples of ancient carts in the collections on your island? So early Bronze age at the earliest (perhaps) based on that detail, the wheel rim, certainly by the Iron Age, but it sounds like Bronze Age. Where did the wood for carts come from? What is the pattern of Bronze Age or Iron Age settlements on the islands and do they relate to the roads? Thanks, SZ
I finally found the time to watch your vid Laura.
The cart rut mystery fascinates me.
Many questions.
I would assume this is a transportation route.
If so.......I like the idea that the wheels are large diameter made out of planks.
The cost of installing iron or bronze tread rims would have been enormous back then.
So I wondered if limestone could be worn down by hardwoods over time.
Shrinking iron rims on a wooden wheel back then would be the equivalent of buying titanium rims for my 2002 Dodge Caravan.
I googled the question about the ability to wear down limestone with a wooden wheel only.........all I seem to get is info about countertops.
I restructured questions over and over again.........same silly results.
I ain't giving up.
What an amazing country.
great vid. Thanks
I speculate that the rutting is created by the dragging of ropes used to roll loads along their paths.
Friction wear is consistent with the depth of the rutting where wheels actually aren’t.
And yes there is conceivable ways to use a wrap,around heavy loads, to roll them to them destination.
superb!
What kinds of carts turn at sharp angles?
Then start going offset or changing their distance apart
To be fair that is one of the stranger points but field experiments have managed to navigate them with wheeled-carts.
@@MegalithHunterany engineer or builder would avoid a sharp turn as it would create extra difficulty in use as well as lengthen the track they had to build for no reason at all. A straight line from 1 point to another is always easist to build and use...
@@MegalithHunter Stranger or stronger?
Any estimates on the diameter of the wheels? Seems like they would have to be pretty big to accommodate the depth of the track and clearance of the axle.
... or a heavy vehicle over soft terrain. They may very well be in the era of all the Geo-Megalific Anomalies, which appear to be "pre-flood".
It is not wise to ignore the more obvious.
The start point is to:
Prove what age, prove Bronze Age, Neolithic, etc
Keep in mind the footprints found in various harden Geological materials.
Beth Bartlett
Sociologist/Behavioralist
and Historian
fascinating, thank you! Looking at the depth of the ruts, the wheels must have been quite large?
Pre Bronze age!
an enigma, for sure😮....i'll reserve judgment til i see some more evidence🙃 hopefully i will be there👍
I hope you make all the other juicy videos that weekend too 😃 it’s going to be a marathon though 😂
@@MegalithHunter cccooollll! marathon of Meg Hunter👍👍🤗
@@MegalithHunter now called a Snickers! 🍫🌝
@@aidanmacdougall9250 hahaha!
so, i finally watched this....thot it was to be premiered today, the 27th, not yesterday, the 26th? and, i'm still waiting for the "marathon" of videos!?!? had to put this comment here as it wouldn't let me create a new one!??!!?? anyhoo, here goes......
still an enigma, to me. the possible explanations seem to be endless.....to haul or not to haul.....wheeled or not wheeled......worn over time or carved intentionally...
drainage? why this? or that? the similarity to "known" cart ruts across the region seems to point to hauling heavy loads on carts, wheeled or not.....we know the Egyptians used sled-like contraptions so, others could have, also. however, these tracks appear more like wheeled cart creations. damifiknow🤔 i'd really like to know for sure but......probably never will. some things will always be mysteries, as they should be......makes life a wee bit more interesting😮
at any rate, a very interesting, thought provoking, and enjoyable video, dear Laura! thank you for the 1st person type of footage.....almost like being there👍👍 catchya later!
In Pompeii there are cart-ruts.
The streets of Pompeii were in use for about 100 years only.
All it takes to make cart-ruts is having traffic for 100 years or so.
There is no mystery in cart-ruts.
How large are the transportation vehicles supposed in order to create these ruts?
great video, does this explanation still apply to those found in the Unites States?
No. They are much more modern and well-documented.
@@MegalithHunter What does that mean? Not the same phenomenon? Do they look different? What does "well documented" mean? Has someone come come up with an explanation?
@@MegalithHunter You should really take another look at the American ruts. They go underneath riverbeds then straight overt the mountain under the buildings in town. There was a recent exploration video.
Thanks for your response & I loved the video keep it up!
I think you mean correlation does not mean causation, there is clear correlation but it could just be circumstantial, as you say they could be near quarries because that is where the limestone is that needs to be traversed. However as the mass required to cause the ruts is only really explained by transporting lime stone this does imply causation. Not only in their purpose but also in their very creation.
i live in San Gwann very close to another very interesting cart ruts cluster , this one looks just like a tram / train crosovers or a station !
Yeah I’ve visited those many times. They are a really interesting set.
🎉what could possibly have made cart tracks around the Mediterranean area .
I read that the tracks were made by carts collecting seaweed from the coast to use to fertilise the fields.
Pour water in the ruts follow the water ~ drainage ?
It seems that the only thing known for certain is that the ruts were created after the invention of the wheel.
How do you become certain of that?
Especially since they typically have a V shape at the root of the tracks.
@@Stan-b3v You are correct of course, I am guilty of listening to the historians tale of the turns being too tight for skids to turn inside, the tighter turns may have been created at a much later date.
Personally I think that they were made by some form of Rikshaw, this would explain the equal distance between the ruts.
@@storkythepunk I think they are created by the friction of drug ropes most likely.
Thanks
Unless they were diving into sea hundreds of meters from the island the ruts were made before malta became an island. Prior to the younger dryas so they are at least 12,500 years old.
so the railway is a chalcolithic invention :)
Perhaps as glaciers melted sea levels rose. Like all those flood tales. And people had to move. They look like the wagon tracks on the Oregon trail.
Laura, if the temples were not serviced by roads how did the ancients make their choices of where to build their temples and how did they get any above ground structural elements there without some kind of road? No comprende! I know hypogea were excavated from underground on site. To you I want to recommend incidentally the video regarding a mind blowing temple in stone in India, land of mind-blowing stone architecture. So enjoy ruclips.net/video/o8Gx2B-O06Y/видео.html
This doesnt make sense at all. Deep ruts being eroded implies ALOT of traffic over a very long time. How big are the quarries??? The amount of stone removed doesnt seem enough to cause such traffic as to create such deep erosion. I doubt they were eroded by use, and still not convinced at all they were used by carts.
Or, a heavy vehicle over soft terrain, 1 time. Like the Ancient footprints found in Limestone.
We have these in Australia made by the colonials chipped by hand where needed
Underwater,at depth,pre younger dryas,sea level 140metres below present
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Suffice to say ditch.
i don't think they are cat ruts as maqny of them are not parralell
Not man made
Malta was definitely around in the first century. Paul was aboard a ship after standing before Festus and Agrippa. He was going to Rome to stand before Ceasar. Which was either Claudius or Nero. While on the ship, bad weather hit, and the ship ran aground, and they all swam to shore on an island called malta. Of course, the book of Acts doesn't talk about the cart-ruts, but why would it? What it does say is that the islanders were foreign speaking. So they didn't speak Latin, Greek, or Hebrew. It also says they were really nice people. Others, not the bible, say they may have been giants. 😂😅. The bible talks of the principal man of the island, Publius. Who is a St in the Roman Catholic Church. Feast day Jan 22 and in the orthodox March 13. 🤔, Pope Francis =122, and Jorge became Pope on March 13th. Now we're talking about the order of St John of Jerusalem or Knights of Malta or Knights Templar. Which has to do with John of Brienne, more than John the Baptist. Otherwise, the fourth council of lateran would not have happened, nor 10/13/1307, for that matter. So maybe those cart- ruts are like the underground railroad in America? Or just routes of the slave trade before the America's. It's more like the slave trade if I were to guess.
Peace
The "undergound railroad" is a figure of speech referring to a social phenomenon of covert travel and accommodation. It was not a physical railroad, which would have been obvious to and destroyed by the slaving culture.