Hi Matt! Great to hear from you. Thank you so much! It's hard to think it's coming up to a year since we were there - maybe we should compare notes sometime. M.
Only just last night I was reading up on the newer findings about Göbekli Tepe and the other similar sites and discussing it with a friend. And this morning you guys drop this amazing video. ❤
Outstanding video, both in terms of the informative content and also the videography! This is exactly why TPG is one of my favourite history channels on YT.
This is what I should be watching online, instead of the sensationalist nonsense that is ubiquitous in the media. This is blisteringly fascinating material. I studied archaeology for two years in college in the early 1980s, but it only amounted to a modest collection of antique glass, pottery and prehistoric artifacts. Keep up the good work.
I saw this as just a huge entertaining area, with the log supports long gone and the timber framing I could see a performing stage, somewhere for important people to sit, the downstairs room was the green room, the preparation room and with timber on top could see the path to entry and where all the people would sit.
Wow, fabulous and so informative. Glad to hear the archaeologist say that there's still unknown technologies that they may have had, which is something I have always believed and wondered. So much bone and wooden artifacts destroyed, hoping that just 1 may turn up some day. 👍🗿🌝
Sorry I got confused I'm not getting notifications I thought this was a repost by ancient architects. Guys I'm buy a coffee and patron but I'm never getting notifications or updates 😭
Tas Tepeler was a grouping of 12, pre-pottery sites, of hunter-gathers who were also GARDENERS.. These sites were organized around the Harran Plain, from which they took wild seasonally ripening GROCERIES. . . It was wetter then. Grasslands we’re able to support a sedentary population with suppers of wild game, grain and veggies. BEER was also on the menu as well as honey and foul. Good living I’d say. Infants lived, old folks no longer went hungry… and the mating was probably very advantageous.
I expect that the people who built Gobekli Tepe did not distinguish between 'religion', 'culture', 'power structure', 'subsistence activities', 'hobbies', and 'being impressive' in quite the same ways that we do. I also expect that they had been modifying their local environment for a long time, and gradually getting more detailed about it. Lots and lots of facilitating maximum production of wild plants/animals, and a bit of introducing a few things here and there. Humans always mess about with their environment, they can't help it.
Göbekli Tepe thrived during the Atlantis Warm Periods (10k to 8.5k yrs ago) when greenhouse gas levels (recorded in Greenland ice-cores) were higher, and plants could grow at higher latitudes and altitudes. What we see now is a "cultural landscape" [21:02] in a time of greenhouse gas drought.
Native americans required thousands of years domesticate maize. But at the beginning of that period, they were cultivating wild plant species. I personally think it likely that the people who created Göbekli Tepe were farming wild plants on a large scale. But because the plants were not yet domesticated, and the evidence is buried or no longer in existence, we haven't detected it.
Thank you for this update! As for beginnings and ends, aren't we talking more about transitions in this case? Many human groups have come and gone over hundreds of thousands of years, leaving no trace (other than what protein residue analysis may show in the coming years). Do we know for sure that the people who built and lived at Göbekli Tepe were among the groups that met a dead end? (My apologies if this is common knowledge that I've managed to miss.) As a stellar example of the transition away from mainly hunting and gathering towards agriculture in the Fertile Crescent, can't we detect some sort of continuity from Göbekli Tepe and other nearby sites to, well, Stonehenge? Without becoming conspiratorial, or even linear, that is 🙃 More like in the general sense that the farmers who built Stonehenge did trace their roots to this wider area. Which their ancestors started to leave around 7000 BC, only a millenium after the youngest settlement layer of a site used for much longer, in an area full of such sites of different ages, as you note. I.e. I'm not suggesting that the people who built Stonehenge must've been the direct ancestors of people who lived in Göbekli Tepe or anything like that. More broad strokes of continuity like we see during the most recent millenia in Europe, for example, or before that in Egypt. Or are you kinda suggesting this anyway, and just need to hammer home points about specifics for audiences of stuff I've never watched and only learnt about through channels like this one?😅
The house at 11:40 is oval, wile the others I saw were rectangular. In other sites in the Levant the oval and circular predate the square and rectangular houses. If this was here also the case, could the large oval special buildings hint at a memory of an earlier period, like the (much much later) Kiva in the rectangular Pueblo structures in the southwest of the US hinted at the round earth houses of their ancestors, as this was also the special building.
I think you guys could learn a lot from the culture of people who still live here in Western Australia. I can put you in touch with local archeologists who are studying cultivation of yams by pre contact Aboriginal people. Over in Tasmania the precontact Aboriginal people actually stopped fishing after a period when they used to make fish hooks out of shells. So many insights into the multi layered tidal fashion of cultures and social structures.
The natural abundance of wild grains determined the locations of these sights. It’s as if nature was doing the farming for them. They developed the culture necessary to provide other foods, storage, water, shelter, etc. to sustain permanent sedentary settlements where the wild grains were already abundant. Over the years these settlers would have recognized the conditions that produced the most abundant harvests. Farming began when these grains were gathered and perhaps transported to less desirable sites and artificially cultivated using human knowledge and ingenuity to create better conditions for abundant growth.
AH I remember the Old days with grandpa we would track and hunt the last of the mammoth and process down to movable sections DOWN to Gobekli Tepe for final processing that was all those different buildings each had a separate animal or part which told you what they processed there. THEN we would take the items down Mesopotamia way and trade with the farmers down there for BEER. My wild and reckless youth NOW I fear we are all farmers.
When you consider the wildfire of technology that started a thousand years ago, and the stratospheric heights it has lept to in our lifetime, is it any wonder we've all gone a bit do Lally? Tens of thousands of years tooling about with beads, cisterns, politics, food security, then pow ... we have a man fist pumping and leaping about a stage excited at the prospect of colonising Mars!
Is there evidence of flooding at G.Tepe? Within the fills being removed, are there signs of ponded or running water? Could the slump of the hillside, and the abandonment of the site, been precipitated by a prolonged, heavy rainfall? The kind of abnormal rainfall that might be associated with the recession of glaciers. Perhaps it rained forty days and forty nights.
33:42 - Precisely! Before farming, the concentration and efficacy of human predation must have made a serious environmental impact on subsistence. Hence necessitating methods of land management via engineering (moving rocks, enhancing or clearing topography, creating watering pools near streams…) taking control of vantages that wild cats would typically claim, clearing caves where bears would hibernate, eliminate the bone-breaking scavenger birds who subsist on valuable marrow, while facilitating communication with ‘sentinel’ scavenger species who guide them to fresh kills. Perhaps different tribes developed specialties in observation in adoption of, and displacement of competitor species, adopting those animal as tribal totems. But while still fundamentally nomadic, a sub-tribal or communal-tribal population needed to stay in place to maintain those features, and to defend the territory from incursion from external populations out-growing the resources of their regions. Farming, then becomes a response to defensive needs as all neighboring territories experience a combination of overpopulation and climate-change driven scarcity.
If there is wheat nearby they could chop down the trees and dig out all the weeds and bushes in a couple of years youv got your self a wheat field and with a bit of management you could farm it naturally
it's a burial complex, just like the "palace of knossos" hunter-gatherer tribes would have a sacred site, a permanent place to commemorate their dead. all the early civilizations had one. arriving conquers polluted the site, and its priests o would remove any dead bodies to prevent sacrilege.
i cant help but think that Gobelki tepe and the other Tepe's all around that area was hit by some kind of 'giant flood' and that these sites are much older that we give them credit for. When you guys were walking around that part thats not open to the public, the way the rubble has come in and covered the site up sure seems that way. Certainly not sediment built up over time, although i would have to say that would have played a part in it. Excellent work you guys are doing, and yes, the media has been failing the public for decades, thats why podcast shows done by 'ordinary people' like yours are so important for us that really have to know this like an obsession.
I've made a few posts on videos about this site in hopes that someone with knowledge of Gobekli Tepe will tell me if it's possible that the whole site was intended to be underground? We've always wondered why they built it and then buried it, what if it was an artificial cave system? It would take massive supports like those pillars to hold up a roof. I don't know, I might not be thinking outside of the box on this one, I might have just fallen out of the damn thing with this notion lol Some reason, when looking at it from a certain angle, it just seems to me that it being a man (term used loosely here lol!) made cave system...other sites have been found that shows people inhabiting underground. Derinkuyu? I know it goes deep underground, but it's not impossible to build a shallow subterranean network of tunnels and rooms...What do you think? Possible or boneheaded? 🤣🤣 And as far as the standing pillars at Karhan Tepe that everyone is calling phallic symbols, they're the Fairy Chimneys. Just a few clicks away from there you can see the natural formations. I've never heard anyone refer to the Fairy Chimneys when looking at the stones on the site. They look exactly the same and I don't know why no one has made that connection...that I have ever heard of anyway lol
I'm sure women told their hunting partners to bring home some baby animals ALIVE. Women would keep the babies alive until food was needed. Eventually the babies matured and the females produced babies. Some animals worked better than others. Domestication happened. So there it was.....
I love the idea that these were the tipping points of innovation & not the innovation itself. 💯💗
What a fantastic video. I was there 2 weeks ago - for the first time - and I loved it. And I saw Sayburç and Karahan Tepe too. Superb.
Hi Matt! Yours videos are fantastic!
Hi Matt! Great to hear from you. Thank you so much! It's hard to think it's coming up to a year since we were there - maybe we should compare notes sometime. M.
@@AncientArchitects would love to hear you all do a video together! 😃🙏
@@ThePrehistoryGuysHappy to share any footage / pictures you’re interested in too. We should meet over a pint some time!
Only just last night I was reading up on the newer findings about Göbekli Tepe and the other similar sites and discussing it with a friend.
And this morning you guys drop this amazing video. ❤
Good stuff.
An ending! I love how this information calibrated my assumptions & timelines about prehistory. Wonderful film. Thank you!
Seeing Rupert's face when he first saw Gobekli Tepe made me cry for his totally awesome reaction!! ❤
I like this format guys. Photos are so crisp. Also I also really enjoy finding out anything new about the Natufians. Thanks !!
Outstanding video, both in terms of the informative content and also the videography! This is exactly why TPG is one of my favourite history channels on YT.
THat's great to hear - thanks for that 😊 M.
This is what I should be watching online, instead of the sensationalist nonsense that is ubiquitous in the media. This is blisteringly fascinating material. I studied archaeology for two years in college in the early 1980s, but it only amounted to a modest collection of antique glass, pottery and prehistoric artifacts. Keep up the good work.
History for Granite is another good channel
Awesome, Epic , Gorgeous, Brilliant!!!
Cheers!
Aw - thank you! Made me smile 😊 M.
@@ThePrehistoryGuys Always an absolute joy, thanks so much for all your enlightenment 😊
You are a critical aspect of my quest to keep my brain alive. Think, think, think, question, ponder, think. I just love you!
One of the best channels on RUclips, this. You guys produce some really great stuff. Thanks.
Very well presented and information. Food for thought. Pushes me to learn more. Thanks!
Excellent video. Thank you for providing some much needed context and perspective. The best thing I have seen you do.
Brilliant video. Thank you. You gave me a lot of fodder for thought.
Glad to hear it. Thank you 😊 M.
Fantastic video. This is the first time I have seen the place from that perspective and in such detail.
I saw this as just a huge entertaining area, with the log supports long gone and the timber framing I could see a performing stage, somewhere for important people to sit, the downstairs room was the green room, the preparation room and with timber on top could see the path to entry and where all the people would sit.
Terrific!
Great video as always.
Appreciated - thank you! M.
Reminds me of Palenque in Mexico. They have T shaped windows and door openings.
Great video!
Marvelous
Wow, fabulous and so informative. Glad to hear the archaeologist say that there's still unknown technologies that they may have had, which is something I have always believed and wondered. So much bone and wooden artifacts destroyed, hoping that just 1 may turn up some day. 👍🗿🌝
You heard something like "advanced technology" but nothing of the sort was suggested ,Graham
@@travisgoesthere no I heard unknown technologies! 👂
Prehistory guy's. Surprised you've not referenced those amazing guys before! Great stuff
Sorry I got confused I'm not getting notifications I thought this was a repost by ancient architects. Guys I'm buy a coffee and patron but I'm never getting notifications or updates 😭
Tas Tepeler was a grouping of 12, pre-pottery sites, of hunter-gathers who were also GARDENERS.. These sites were organized around the Harran Plain, from which they took wild seasonally ripening GROCERIES. . . It was wetter then. Grasslands we’re able to support a sedentary population with suppers of wild game, grain and veggies. BEER was also on the menu as well as honey and foul. Good living I’d say. Infants lived, old folks no longer went hungry… and the mating was probably very advantageous.
I expect that the people who built Gobekli Tepe did not distinguish between 'religion', 'culture', 'power structure', 'subsistence activities', 'hobbies', and 'being impressive' in quite the same ways that we do. I also expect that they had been modifying their local environment for a long time, and gradually getting more detailed about it. Lots and lots of facilitating maximum production of wild plants/animals, and a bit of introducing a few things here and there. Humans always mess about with their environment, they can't help it.
Göbekli Tepe thrived during the Atlantis Warm Periods (10k to 8.5k yrs ago) when greenhouse gas levels (recorded in Greenland ice-cores) were higher, and plants could grow at higher latitudes and altitudes. What we see now is a "cultural landscape" [21:02] in a time of greenhouse gas drought.
You will need to provide your source material for an Atlantis Warm Period.
Native americans required thousands of years domesticate maize. But at the beginning of that period, they were cultivating wild plant species. I personally think it likely that the people who created Göbekli Tepe were farming wild plants on a large scale. But because the plants were not yet domesticated, and the evidence is buried or no longer in existence, we haven't detected it.
Imagine all the painful work accidents that must have happened
Thank you for this update!
As for beginnings and ends, aren't we talking more about transitions in this case?
Many human groups have come and gone over hundreds of thousands of years, leaving no trace (other than what protein residue analysis may show in the coming years). Do we know for sure that the people who built and lived at Göbekli Tepe were among the groups that met a dead end? (My apologies if this is common knowledge that I've managed to miss.)
As a stellar example of the transition away from mainly hunting and gathering towards agriculture in the Fertile Crescent, can't we detect some sort of continuity from Göbekli Tepe and other nearby sites to, well, Stonehenge? Without becoming conspiratorial, or even linear, that is 🙃
More like in the general sense that the farmers who built Stonehenge did trace their roots to this wider area. Which their ancestors started to leave around 7000 BC, only a millenium after the youngest settlement layer of a site used for much longer, in an area full of such sites of different ages, as you note.
I.e. I'm not suggesting that the people who built Stonehenge must've been the direct ancestors of people who lived in Göbekli Tepe or anything like that. More broad strokes of continuity like we see during the most recent millenia in Europe, for example, or before that in Egypt. Or are you kinda suggesting this anyway, and just need to hammer home points about specifics for audiences of stuff I've never watched and only learnt about through channels like this one?😅
The house at 11:40 is oval, wile the others I saw were rectangular. In other sites in the Levant the oval and circular predate the square and rectangular houses. If this was here also the case, could the large oval special buildings hint at a memory of an earlier period, like the (much much later) Kiva in the rectangular Pueblo structures in the southwest of the US hinted at the round earth houses of their ancestors, as this was also the special building.
I think you guys could learn a lot from the culture of people who still live here in Western Australia.
I can put you in touch with local archeologists who are studying cultivation of yams by pre contact Aboriginal people.
Over in Tasmania the precontact Aboriginal people actually stopped fishing after a period when they used to make fish hooks out of shells.
So many insights into the multi layered tidal fashion of cultures and social structures.
Rock it!
Great Video, thanks! Göbekli Tepe is spelt incorrectly for the last chapter of the vid, it is spelt as "Goöbekli Tepe: an end not a beginning".
No where today, was some where yesterday.
The natural abundance of wild grains determined the locations of these sights. It’s as if nature was doing the farming for them. They developed the culture necessary to provide other foods, storage, water, shelter, etc. to sustain permanent sedentary settlements where the wild grains were already abundant. Over the years these settlers would have recognized the conditions that produced the most abundant harvests. Farming began when these grains were gathered and perhaps transported to less desirable sites and artificially cultivated using human knowledge and ingenuity to create better conditions for abundant growth.
Very nice video. :-)
AH I remember the Old days with grandpa we would track and hunt the last of the mammoth and process down to movable sections DOWN to Gobekli Tepe for final processing that was all those different buildings each had a separate animal or part which told you what they processed there. THEN we would take the items down Mesopotamia way and trade with the farmers down there for BEER. My wild and reckless youth NOW I fear we are all farmers.
Yep. Beer at the source of everything we reckon. 🤣 M.
When you consider the wildfire of technology that started a thousand years ago, and the stratospheric heights it has lept to in our lifetime, is it any wonder we've all gone a bit do Lally?
Tens of thousands of years tooling about with beads, cisterns, politics, food security, then pow ... we have a man fist pumping and leaping about a stage excited at the prospect of colonising Mars!
Is there evidence of flooding at G.Tepe? Within the fills being removed, are there signs of ponded or running water? Could the slump of the hillside, and the abandonment of the site, been precipitated by a prolonged, heavy rainfall? The kind of abnormal rainfall that might be associated with the recession of glaciers. Perhaps it rained forty days and forty nights.
nice 👍🏻🔥💯💪🏻
33:42 - Precisely! Before farming, the concentration and efficacy of human predation must have made a serious environmental impact on subsistence. Hence necessitating methods of land management via engineering (moving rocks, enhancing or clearing topography, creating watering pools near streams…) taking control of vantages that wild cats would typically claim, clearing caves where bears would hibernate, eliminate the bone-breaking scavenger birds who subsist on valuable marrow, while facilitating communication with ‘sentinel’ scavenger species who guide them to fresh kills. Perhaps different tribes developed specialties in observation in adoption of, and displacement of competitor species, adopting those animal as tribal totems.
But while still fundamentally nomadic, a sub-tribal or communal-tribal population needed to stay in place to maintain those features, and to defend the territory from incursion from external populations out-growing the resources of their regions.
Farming, then becomes a response to defensive needs as all neighboring territories experience a combination of overpopulation and climate-change driven scarcity.
Dont let them stop digging please!150 years is insanity
If there is wheat nearby they could chop down the trees and dig out all the weeds and bushes in a couple of years youv got your self a wheat field and with a bit of management you could farm it naturally
it's a burial complex, just like the "palace of knossos" hunter-gatherer tribes would have a sacred site, a permanent place to commemorate their dead. all the early civilizations had one. arriving conquers polluted the site, and its priests o would remove any dead bodies to prevent sacrilege.
There's an Orion correlation in the Red Sea. I found it using Google Earth. I believe it to be man made.
They are our forefathers…ancient siberian hunter gatherers most probably from the yenisei ural altay regions.
i cant help but think that Gobelki tepe and the other Tepe's all around that area was hit by some kind of 'giant flood' and that these sites are much older that we give them credit for. When you guys were walking around that part thats not open to the public, the way the rubble has come in and covered the site up sure seems that way. Certainly not sediment built up over time, although i would have to say that would have played a part in it. Excellent work you guys are doing, and yes, the media has been failing the public for decades, thats why podcast shows done by 'ordinary people' like yours are so important for us that really have to know this like an obsession.
Who are they talking to?
I've made a few posts on videos about this site in hopes that someone with knowledge of Gobekli Tepe will tell me if it's possible that the whole site was intended to be underground? We've always wondered why they built it and then buried it, what if it was an artificial cave system? It would take massive supports like those pillars to hold up a roof. I don't know, I might not be thinking outside of the box on this one, I might have just fallen out of the damn thing with this notion lol Some reason, when looking at it from a certain angle, it just seems to me that it being a man (term used loosely here lol!) made cave system...other sites have been found that shows people inhabiting underground. Derinkuyu? I know it goes deep underground, but it's not impossible to build a shallow subterranean network of tunnels and rooms...What do you think? Possible or boneheaded? 🤣🤣
And as far as the standing pillars at Karhan Tepe that everyone is calling phallic symbols, they're the Fairy Chimneys. Just a few clicks away from there you can see the natural formations. I've never heard anyone refer to the Fairy Chimneys when looking at the stones on the site. They look exactly the same and I don't know why no one has made that connection...that I have ever heard of anyway lol
I'm sure women told their hunting partners to bring home some baby animals ALIVE. Women would keep the babies alive until food was needed. Eventually the babies matured and the females produced babies. Some animals worked better than others. Domestication happened. So there it was.....
Why didnt they have doors?? Pretty useful things and easier for children, elderly or infirm. Every other civilisation had doors. Doesnt make sense