The SHOCKING Truth Behind Boeing's 797 FAILURE Surprised EVERYONE. Here's Why
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- Boeing’s promise to the world of a New Midsize Airplane commonly named the Boeing 797 was a dream that the mid-market segment had to wake from. The original concept, though not exactly over-ambitious, remained a matter of the moment till well into 2022, when Boeing stopped all development of a New Midsize Airplane till further notice.
So what happened? Why didn’t Boeing pursue its development of the 797?
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The bringing back the 757 is not an option. It ceased production nearly 20 years ago, and it's not simply a matter of turning the key to start production again. The production lines are no longer there, and to set them up again, and update the plane would be only slightly cheaper than a clean sheet design, without the benefits that would bring.
Their only offering in the area at the moment is the 737Max10.
I think they could look at a shortened version of the 787, but I don't think there's been any serious proposal for one to date.
Boeing never even admitted having a 797 development ... how could it be a failure ??
Even if they could have the means to design it, after their losses on the two groundings of the 787 and the grounding of 737 Max, they simply can't afford it, neither they have the engineering capital to design it, test it, and bring it into production faster than Airbus can bring to market a competitor and bleed Boeing's market share on the segment before Boeing.
Pilots love the 757. Wide body thrust in a narrow body. But as a passenger, if I ever got stuck in economy, I hated it. Boeing stuck with the fuselage dimensions of the earlier 707, 727 and 737 when designing the 757. While there were lots of positive economic reasons for doing so, one major downside is that cargo on the 757 had to be loaded manually; it was too small/narrow to support containers. A 757 NEO would have the same drawback. I flew an American 757 from Miami to Caracas, where ground staff just backed a pickup truck with 2x4's in the corners of the bed, wrapped with chicken wire, to the cargo door and just pitched luggage from the plane down into the pickup. Fortunately, my hard-sided suitcase survived. Due to the MOM-sized capacity, that's a lot of luggage, making turnaround times longer than if containers were supported. It looks like the 797 would solve that problem. I like the ruggedness of Boeing planes, but I also like the additional 4" of width of the Airbus A319, A320 and A321 narrow bodies.
There used to be a typewriter company by the name of Smith Corona that was around until the late 90's. For many years they were the leader in their industry and had established name recognition. The problem, however, was that they did not stay up to date with the changing times. They ignored the fact that the market was moving to computers and their leadership insisted there was still a place for the typewriter in the modern world which was beyond foolish. They could have used their name recognition to invest in personal computers and in turn, compete with the likes of DELL and HP but the company leadership opted to double down on the selling of it's antiquated products and insisting the market still prefers typewriters. The end result was that a company that had been around for over 100 years ended up shutting it's doors and filing Chapter 11 because their executives refused to acknowledge the big fat truth that was smacking the fat faced executives in the face on a daily basis. Let's hope that same fate does not happen to Boeing. Continuing to promote the 737 MAX while dismissing the XLR seems easily similar to this mentioned situation.
They looked at the market and just not enough demand to justify the investment. They never even formalized a final design for it. The business case just wasn't there. It's a small market niche with projected demand of maybe 1200 aircraft they would have to split with Airbus. Even the sales of the 321XLR confirm that. Uncontested they have less than 600 orders for it. The 757 itself was never a huge success for Boeing. It only sold 1050 in 30 years of sales on mostly in NA.
Boeing lives on extending very old Designs in even poorer and dangerous quality. No solution for a company like this before a thorough reorientation and dedication, not even in the protective US. 🎉
I remember Airbus willing to upgrade the 330 to compete the 787, until they understood and decided to build the 350.
Calhoun recently said that the 797 will never happen. I understand why, because the 7M7, 787 & 777-8/9 are all causing serious problems for Boring and I’m also guessing the market will recover in such a way that at least the 787 will take over as their MOM mainstay.
in a nutshell by putting their eggs in the 737 basket - beoing are at the limit with the max 10. stubby landing gear means you cant extent the fuselage anymore. keeping the 737 was the worst thing boeing could have done. its short term gains for long term pain.
tell that to their faces. the same thing can be said to airbus with the a320
The Sonic Cruiser!!!!
boeing have two choices one is to upgrade the boeing 757 and one is to go ahead with the boeing 797
The 757 is the best transport aircraft ever made. Upgrading the engines is much more preferred than the disaster that is the 737. No one I've ever spoken with has liked the frankenstein 737. 707 nose and terrible circuit breaker switches upper panel. Short landing gear because no room for anything else. Flat engine cowlings. Absolutely stupid management at Boeing. They would have made much more money if they'd have just designed a proper aircraft from scratch.
The 797 will come when the time is right and technology is there to make it attractive..
Boeing will probably time it for when the A321LR/XLR faces replacement. Airbus’s do not last long, so we are looking at 10-15 years, so probably we will see it along with the 737 MAX replacement.
I loved the 757
When it was new and Eastern had it!
797 never been launched!
I designed a solution for Boeings mid market. I just need to get it to the big cheese at Boeing and after they are done smacking themselves, they will spin up a 757X line in Everett. It works like the 757’s big brother, the 767. That project was to wash the 767 in hot water, which shrunk it to a single isle 767, creating the 757. They just need to wash the 787 in hot water so it will shrink to a single isle aircraft, the 757X. The Max has bad vibe so they need to just ditch t(at word altogether. They have the carbon fiber knowledge, so that’s not insurmountable. The wings might have to get scaled down. They need to use a defatted GEnx if the Ultrafan isn’t ready, but it fits with the 767/757 paradigm. Same avionics, flight characteristics, probable serious range increase over the 757, like maybe 8,000 miles or something that would blow airbus out of the market. If Boeing can fire a load of profiteers at the top gate some engineers in there and grow a pair, they would have a winner. They need to face facts, they shouldn’t have allowed Southwest to bully them into the single page training manual for the max which will haunt them for a very long time unless, of course, they build the 757X.
A 757 NEO is the logical answer! It ceased production, but is much, much easier to re-build the product line, than having to create from scratch and get the FAA approval. 757 has proven to be the working horse, reliable and even bigger equipment for comfort. In addition, the years to have it ready is as fast as the A330 NEO. That happens to be an Outstanding and Beautiful Equipment. Not only would the B757 will sell for Passenger Service, but for Cargo as well. Ask UPS, FedEx and DHL their preference between an A321 or B757? Production of the B747 is out, bring back the 757 Boeing or forget about the Medium Market Share for eternity, the 737-MAX just became a dead horse. Will never share the Legacy of the; 727, 747, 767, nor 757
The mid size market is already taken with the Airbus A321 family.
Boeing is loosing longterm to Airbus in all aircraft categories and is incapable of catching up.
Don’t bother bigging up the upgraded ancient 737 and 777.
There crap.
Boeing needs to wise up and ditch the now ancient technology of the B737, embrace modern thinking (side sticks) and come up with a completely new design for the next 50 years. It might take a while but the future will be bleak if they don't bite the bullet now.
Perhaps that logic can apply to airbus if everyone wants the 737 to go! the A320 needs to be ditched of ancient technology. Embrace a modern thinking and come up with completely new design for the next 50 years. Perhaps not rushing on a new plane for boeing is the better as the more you rush and bite the bullet mistakes happen!
No, Boeing should concentrate on getting all versions of 737 and 787 problems resolved and concentrate on building the planes that have orders and backlog. At same time get the 777x ready for certification and building, the are already major demand for all versions of , 737, 777, 787, concentrate on clean sheet later for 797 later if there is market demand.
the "artistic impression" of the non existant 797 shows very old, possibly 1990s era, engines! In addition Boeing yet again offers compariosn between Airbus airliners that exist vs Boeing airliners that don't. Between this "797" and the verging on mythical 777x; no wonder all but some very loyal comentators are running out of patience with the US company.
Boring should get rid of 737
Lol a lot of hot air, saying you will do something and actually doing it are two different things, need evidence, take a look at the three main aircraft Boeing produces, all faced problems some even before they are sold case and point the 777x the 797 would not have been ready at any point in the near future and the XLR would have hoovered up all the waiting customers setting boeing back decades it would be in a similar situation of not worse as the A330 neo which didn't sell at first cause airbus was late to the Market
sibei lorsor
All your videos are about Boeing failures or airbus victories. Why?
Probably because for the past decade Boeing went on from clear market leader with plenty of offers to the market and a impeccable reputation, to the second place, with with Airbus having 1.5x the market share on future orders for the next 15 years; a very limited lineup; poor customer handling; currently having a fame of literally deceiving customers, pilots and authorities in order to profit on legal loopholes, which lead to the multiple grounding of the the planes on their best selling lineup; a steep fall in overal quality of its product; and it finds itself cornered on a situation where its financial capacity has shrank so much that Airbus can consistently out compete Boeing, and bring new planes to marker faster than Boeing can design them.
It's not that anyone wnats to talk sh*t about Boeing, but that, right now, Boeing is it own worst enemy.
@@nichendrix then y’all should focus on yourselves and not their problem
He is british by the sound of it, and Airbus build wings in the UK, so he is an Airbus fanboy..
Wow. 😂At least get your Basic facts correct. The engine thrust is definitely NOT a “50,000 pound by force” (LBF) engine!
Corruption greed and incompetent management that's all they are interested in building.
How are they interested in building corruption greed and incompetent management?