1247theGreatest To be fair, they had some experience developing a small BMX game. That doesn't really transition well to a universe simulator, but it's something.
@@nathanm8792 It depends on what it is. Final Fantasy 6, for instance, was made by a group of 39 people, but sold millions of copies, and had a large scale in terms of story, art, and features, and very high quality art and audio/music. (Compare to other pixel art/chiptune games.) I concur, the main point in my reply is I feel an actual major publisher example with a well-known team shows how those numbers do not seem crazy when you compare them to games made back in the old days. That is not even considering the fact they did not have the tools we have today, and wrote all that in assembly. Then again, another factor is a lot of these were industry veterans, in a company with 10 years of experience releasing games.
I'm a minute into the video, and I already have issues with it. You know why the Yogscast DLC was made for Sonic and Sega all stars racing transformed? For Charity.
@@almondandfriends no they said they might give it the charity but they invested so much and never got anything out of it that they didn't clarify if they donated to charity because they said they put their own money into this at some point
I can't say anything about RidgeDog but as for Sjin, the only proof I found was some dodgy looking screenshots. I'm not sure if there was more proof against him but innocent until proven guilty people. EDIT: After Bouphe and Gee's statements about Sjin, I'm very glad he's out of Yogs. I can reasonably believe that Sjin was creepy towards them and therefore my opinion on him has changed. I am not going to delete this comment however as I believe the original statement still stands despite it no longer applying to Sjin.
There were a couple of times where random yogs members talked about that and It is just as I thought. Sjin hasn't done anything like that it was all lies :)
It's 2020, and this story may be a meme now but to me it is honestly just sad. I remember my older brother (who is extremely introverted and a bit socially awkward) who loved the yogscast get too excited when he saw the yogventures kick starter gameplay. He waited with all his hopes and heart for the game to drop and wanted so badly to donate to help them push the game along. It looked like a really cool, well thought out idea and after having played WoW for so long they would definitely have a world and game functions similar to that in the game. The sad part so to speak is thinking of what it could have been if they had chosen a credited game developer and not given some rinky dink rookie company a chance? What if the game HAD become successful? What if they HAD given yogventures another go with the money they earned later on? It's the possibilities wasted that are the saddest to me.
The shocking part for me is when they said "we have no obligation to" as if they were just real nice guys giving you some free prize after failing to deliver on their own project. That would be a slap in the face to me if I backed it.
You seem shocked by their behavior, especially the way they treated totalbiscuit (the man who got them where they are). On top of getting banned from Minecon from Notch himself. They are uptight assholes.
Pretty sure it wasn't Totalbiscuit that got them where they are, it was all their great series they had going but cancelled them because they lost interest.
Totalbiscuit wanted to control their channel and make them do promotions which they didn't want to do because as they said now "When we did our first promotion it felt like we were selling our souls." but he wouldn't stop bugging them about it which caused them to stop being friends. Totalbiscuit was nothing but a nuisance to them at the time but since that was a few years back things between them aren't too bad as he is still friends with Sips.
that Asian part ain't no shit. I live in a college town and the only ferrari and other nice exotic cars are 18 year old Asian kids that hardly speak english. one of the Ferrari go totaled the other day. 250,000 of daddy's money down the drain..
@@danke1150 Sjin recently got kicked out of the Yogscast for possibly flirting with underage fans (at best) and/or outright pressuring them to do sexual acts (at worst). Overall, a lot of the details are very vague and unavailable to the public and will most likely stay that way.
yogscast should have definitly done more research into what dev team they picked. as far as I can find they had no previous releases, and I doubt they had any kind of good prototype to show off their ability to create a project of this scale. Yes, the fault lies with winterkewl, but considering how big the risk was, yogscast should have never partnered with them in the first place.
someone should really tell this guy that a single tumblr page maintained by one person with questionable sources is not a viable source for additional contriversal topics.
Are you going to justify that with sources at all? Sjin and Ridge had to leave the company after discussions with Lewis and he wouldn't just do that for no reason.
As a $90 backer of Yogventures who studied the development of the game very closely I'd like to shed some more light on this situation. The game initially showed off in videos and eventually at E3 was made using a completely different engine. A little into development they found out that the engine they were using wouldn't be good enough for what they wanted, and they were forced to make their own. Over several months they worked to create a game that ended up being a shittier version of Minecraft creative mode. Following the bankruptcy and closure of the game, fans were also promised another game you may know as "Everquest Next: Landmark" an mmo building game made by Sony. This was a game made by a big company but after some management changes, that game (as well as its sister game Everquest Next) were both ALSO canceled. Backers did not receive the beta keys to Yogventures, they were given keys to TUG and EQ Landmark. If you already had access prior to the cancelation, you could still download the beta however. Physical rewards were one of the biggest scams of the project. My tier for example was suppose to get a "Custom t-shirt with concept art from the game" and a poster (of what I assumed to be similar concept art). When the shirt came it was a blank white t-shirt with the word "Yogventures" on it in black. That was it. It used the Yogscast font, but it was one of laziest jobs I've ever seen. The poster never came. The "Be a character in Shadow of Israphel" tier for the saps who backed $2000 also were screwed over as that entire series also ceased to happen mid 2013. The official "last update video" of the game (which has since been taken down) was actually released about a year after the one showed here. It actually made the game seem pretty reasonable. The game had physics, rolling smooth hills (which for voxels is quite difficult) and different biomes. Shortly after this clip was released the official cancellation came out. The game had potential in concept but lacked the professionalism and money truly required to build such a game. The game created after the original engine looked terrible, played terrible and just wasn't very good.
...they had to build a game engine from scratch? Uh, that should have been a giant red flag to whomever wrote the cheques. There are (or were, in this case) plenty of capable game engines that would have worked or could be modified to work. And even then, why not expand the library of the engine they were using to make it work? That would have been more efficient. I say this as someone who has (with others) built a small RPG using JavaFX for 2d graphics. I coded... I'll call it a rudimentary engine (framework that holds the code and allows for easy scene creation and transitions and progresses the game forward in time) and, quite frankly, that means re-building the game from scratch every time you need a functionality that was overlooked because, once you make the engine better, the game's old code becomes inefficient almost by default.
@Coley Durham If this was the 3rd such endeavor he wasted his money on then I'd agree with you. But people are capable of making honest mistakes. It's learning from those mistakes and not making them in the future that counts.
This is how scam works : it always want to assure you that everything is ok, it is just few issues to solve.... and then they gone with your money. No delivery - scam.
I honestly feel bad for the Yogscast. Sure they should have done more research when it came to WinterKewl, but they were pretty screwed over when it came to the game itself. WinterKewl ran, and they couldn't do anything about it. Truly a sad story.
Bullshit. They made more than enough to ensure through legal means that Winterkewl upheld their end of the bargain, and that was to develop a working game.
Mr.Binks No? They couldn't, the company "magically" went bankrupt. All they could've done is magically become game devs and finish the game themselves.
@@MrBinks-un8ju What legal means? For a company that filed for bankruptcy and ceased to exist? How were they supposed to sue a company that didn't exist anymore?
@@MrBinks-un8ju trust me man people always find a way to fuck other people over. My dad and a older cousin started a restaurant and within 9 months the accountant, which was a friend of my cousin stole the money and ran to Mexico. After that the restaurant could support itself and we had to close the doors
1:17 I am incredibly sceptical about these claims. So many people scream "sexual harassment" and "transphobe" that I think it would be incredible remiss for me to accept these claims.
Ah yes, anyone who claims to have suffered abuse is now a tumblrina, even though there are many transgender groups on Facebook, Reddit, Twitter and pretty much everywhere, with many members that have to deal with transphobic abuse everyday.
+Letonintendo When it's both unsubstantiated, like in the example shown in the video, and it comes from a website whose LGBT groups are known to lie and mislead regularly [as well as be abusive to the people they supposedly speak for if they don't tow their line, incidentally], it's not an unfair conclusion to draw. What is unfair is taking a statement solely regarding Tumblr and extrapolating it to all other LGBT groups across the Internet.
@@dementedchikenjc Let's be honest, legal or not it's pretty fucking weird for a 30 year old to date a teenager. I love Sjin and this is the first i'm hearing about this whole thing but a grown person trying to get with a teenager is strange.
Dylan Currey when i was subbed to them at the time of setting up the kickstarter, they had 5 million subs, and were opening up two more sub channels, and just wrapped up on of their most popular mine craft series, and were easily making at least £50,000 per week,
It was, yeah. Apparently it was originally going to be part of a free update as characters like General Winter and Willemus were, but Sumo managed to convince Sega to instead make him paid DLC, so that people who didn't want him could just simply not buy it, plus so that the profits from his purchase went to charity.
Yo, I worked on the Yogscast DLC for the Sega Sonic All Star Racing. Worked hard on what we were required to produce & pretty proud of it. Thanks for the discrediting comments.
As a Yognaut, I remember that game back when it was being announced, I never put money towards it. I love the whole crew, and I do feel they did what they could to pay back the fans who trusted them, but I saw that game as a dangerous gamble at the time. A brand new startup company should always handle their own personal projects and make sure everything fits before taking on larger jobs such as that. Also, make sure the contracts protect your company, don't just hand out contracts and money without knowing you are safe too. Always have a backout clause, for example, if Artist A decides to quit working on the project, he is financially liable for returning the funds he was hired for. If he wanted to quit then, he would have to pay back that money (or his new employment would have to basically "buy" him at that point). Sure it would set back development a bit as you hunt for a new artist, but not as much as just straight up losing the money. Personally, I blame the company for the game's failure, not the Yogscast in that mess. Honestly, what more could they do? They are RUclipsr's, not game designers. It's not like they can pick up the project and make it themselves. And at the time of doing those keys for Tug, the game looked okay, even I considered picking it up at the time. It's not what they promised, but the money was gone, they likely had to make a deal with the devs for Tug just to get those keys. I wouldn't be surprised if their videos playing the game were part of the deal to get the game more publicity. In the end, I don't think there really was much more the Yogscast could do and while it wasn't a perfect solution and mistakes were made, they could have handled it much worse too. I'll never understand the hate people give them over that.
+Daniel Ibbertson They could put up the money, but then they'd have to make that money first. More ads? Then they are called sellouts. Drives like their yearly charity drive to raise money for it? Same thing as having the fans fund it again. The Yogscast makes money doing RUclips and Twitch, but that doesn't make them rich. They don't have millions to throw into a game's development when they have to pay wages to themselves, editors, artists, musicians, as well as buying new equipment and games to play. They aren't a game development company, the only thing they had to offer to this project was their likenesses and popularity. And if throwing more money into a project was all it needed to magically make it succeed, Driv3r should have been a massive hit. Besides that, the company that was making the game went under, even if they had the money, what could they do? The game was the property of WinterKewl games, not the Yogscast. Meaning that IF they did the game again, it would have to be with a new company, new name for the game, and they'd be starting from scratch. I've seen legal messes like that as well, best example being Awesomenauts. PS3 and Xbox 360 versions belong to a company called dtp entertainment, and when they went under, Ronimo, the actual developer and creator of the game, couldn't touch it. So while PC was getting update after update, the console versions were getting nothing. Eventually, Ronimo rereleased the game themselves on PS4 and Xbox One as Awesomenauts Assemble! because dtp still had all the console rights to the game. Not saying this is the case, just giving you an idea that legally speaking (especially if there were any NDA's involved), there might be a lot more problems in the background we aren't even aware of.
How blind are you that you can openly look at the facts and say "relax man, they are youtuber's, not game developers." Look sunshine, if I tell someone i can fix their car for 500$, they pay me, and their car doesn't get fixed, That's on me. The people don't walk up to me and say "look, we get it, you aren't a mechanic, so you can keep the 500$." That's not how the real world works, you are living in a delusional fantasy land where someone is not responsible for their fucking actions because "I AM NOT X Y,Z THEREFORE I CAN'T BE BLAMED WHEN I CHARGE FOR X Y,Z." On top of all this nonsense where they walked off with half a million dollars, they also made complete asses of themselves countless times. Getting themselves BANNED from Minecon by Notch himself, on top of spitting on Totalbiscuit, the man who got them to where they are. They are ungrateful, ignorant, greedy little piglets who don't deserve the fanatic love you have for them. And you should feel ashamed for defending their actions using your blatant, straman laden stick bridge of an argument.
There are so many other horrible Kickstarters I'd love to see this guy research, but this series was pretty solid. Dan is a good dude, Larry. Im happy to see you guys promoting each other while still making quality content. If anything, I'm sad there's not MORE of this series. Good job you guys!
Thanks dude, We're going to give the subject a rest for a while before it outstays its welcome, but we'll definitely return to it at some point in the new year!
And the thing about mighty no 9 was different rather than a mega man character, because capcom would sue if he used anything close to mega man characters.
That game was almost a fraud. With a team of already well known people behind it it cost like $4 million and years to finish. Freedom Planet done by less people, $1 million was released within the year.
One hilarious thing I keep seeing: "Who cares? They raise money for charities!" And? A nice action doesn't just erase something shitty. I'd also like to point out that there are plenty of hateful, even just bad people, that gave money to charities. It doesn't just magically make bad things they've done disappear, or mean people can't talk about those things - that's ridiculous thinking.
Yes, free conversation should always be a thing, however a nice action should start making up for something shitty in the past, the past is the past, people have to learn to forgive.
Spyrelle Phea So then you agree with me. Because I didn't say anything contrary to what you actually said. My comment is also mainly about the fanboys - that quote was echoed by many. And it translates to "It doesn't matter that all these people had their money taken without shit in return! They raise money for charity!" Do you see how that (specific) thinking is fucked up? And to expand on the other area of my comment, hate groups, for example, have donated to/raised money for charities. That doesn't mean they're not bigots. That's all I'm saying - "they did something good, though, so the bad is irrelevant (and shouldn't be talked about)!" is ridiculous.
Oda Swifteye Yeah dude, look it up. They had some huge names attached to it too, like the angry video game nerd, Pat the NES Punk, the game chasers and way more.
@@keyholes The only evidence provided that wasn't jokes and banter was a few screenshots that were proven to be photoshopped, hence rendering any other evidence provided by that person untrustworthy/fake. Additionally, this "young girl" was still technically of legal age, as the age of consent here is 16 anyway, yeah sure it's weird but I present a bit of logic. Why was ridge kicked from the yogs for doing the same shit as what Sjin was supposedly doing, yet Sjin wasn't punished for it? I admit it could be an unruly decision, but there is NO evidence, about Sjin being a pedophile, or ever cheating on his girlfriend at the time with someone else, as soon as the person in question was asked about anything, legal or otherwise, the tumblr page was closed down. Innocent until proven guilty, trust me, falsely accusing someone of shit like this is horrific and you'll see yourself as a scumbag afterwards.
@@keyholes You can't just spread information around like that without sources for evidence, allagations of sexual misconduct are serious so please supply evidence.
if there is substantial evidence of the claim made then you'd think that he'd be prosecuted and I'd hope he was too. If evidence of the claim exists i would like to see it since i like sjin and i would want to know if he did something like that.
A bit of a (related) tangent. John Bain (TotalBiscuit), expressed quite a bit of criticism at what had happened, as well as criticisms of undisclosed promotions, and Simon of Yogscast revealed himself to be a dick over it, sniping at Bain on Twitter and such. Even, like, a year or so later, he couldn't let it go. Lewis was a bit better about it (read:professional) but yeah. Me personally, I watched Yogscast a bit a few years ago, but I don't watch them anymore. Don't really care to, either. Sounds like the fame went to their heads, if you ask me.
Fame definitely went to their heads, and not in a good way. Lewis mentions around twice a year how he went down this route instead of actually using his degree. "I could have been a scientist, instead I'm playing this fucking game for the hundredth time.". He's pushing 40 now and I think it's starting to dawn on him that he's already built his legacy. And it's this. Can't say I have too much pity for him. If he took six months or a year off to return to his scientific side and put out a popsci book on some subject, I'm sure his fans would forgive the absence and his clout would get him money back for the time lost when his book sells to people buying it for his name alone. He's totally capable of still pursuing his previous dreams.
Not excusing any of the actions of the Yogscast or the developer, sketchy as it may be, but a lot of this seems to be best seen in hindsight. While it sucks for all involved, I'm glad this happened on the basis of it giving an example of what you should watch out for when dealing with Kickstarter.
Mike Rowsdower I really hope that Star Citizen doesn't turn out badly. I don't even follow or want the game, I just know that a ton of people are really excited for it and it would suck to see another giant flop that left a ton of people with a bitter taste in their mouths.
I don't want it to flop either, I'm invested for $60 bucks. But they just kept adding more and more goals and its been in development for so long, I just don't see it panning out.
I think it won't, the game is pretty much playable but still needs a lot of content to be considered a great game. It has a lot of money and if it ever fails, it will most likely be bought up by EA or microsoft or some other big gaming company. i never expected the game to be released whitin 3 or so years, more like 5 to 7 years or even more.
Looking at the comments on this video, it seems to me that people are scapegoating Yogscast over a project, perhaps two, that they had no direct control over. AND the fact that these same people are remaining sour over the whole thing, when it is clear that Yogscast are trying to make up for whatever wrongdoing they had in this incident, going as far as demonizing even those who hold no ties to them just for defending who they are now, not for who they were when this happened. I say this not as a hardcore fan (I'm only a moderate fan) who blindly follows them. I say this as someone with at least a fair bit of logic that is missing here. Let's look at the details, and don't use TL;DR as an excuse please. If you don't have the patience to read something important because it is "too long", then... well... I guess, as a fanfic writer and college student, I simply cannot understand you. People claim that "No amount of good can erase the bad.": This is true to some degree, but large amounts of good can at least prove that they are beyond what they were before. The inverse is also true, that no amount of bad can erase the good, but large amounts of bad over time can easily prove how someone has become corrupted by various influences. Just because they did one bad thing, doesn't mean they don't deserve forgiveness. If they deliberately did it, fine. You can be sore all you want, but there could be circumstances that may have forced them into it. You have to think about those circumstances before you start raising pitchforks and torches. It's like those hackers with Anonymous when they hacked and shut down numerous facebook accounts linked to ISIS, using bad actions with good intentions for everyone. If it was a mistake, then you have to learn to forgive and forget. If they've done plenty of bad things in the past and are actively and honestly trying to mend their ways, sure they can be susceptible to relapses, but that doesn't make it any less true. They deserve a chance to prove that they're trying to do the right thing. Don't be hypocritical and say one thing, but ignore the inverse when it is just as true and relevant as what you are saying, as that makes you look just as bad as Yogscast did when this happened. (At least Yogscast tried to make up for it, but that didn't go well.) Shaming those with logic: This is a bad thing I've seen on this comments section so far, something that is, in my eyes, potentially worse than robbing a bank or destroying someone's car. One guy who very rarely watches Yogscast and isn't even subscribed to them was called out unfairly for casually replying to a comment, with just as much logic as I am using right now, being called a fanboy, for reasons that hold no logic whatsoever. I'll keep this brief, but I'll be blunt and definitely say that this sort of behavior doesn't win subs or likes. It just makes you look like a jackass and results in quite the opposite. Blindly donating: I'm going to be blunt here with this one as well. Donating large sums of money over kickstarter or indiegogo when you should understand the risks involved, and then blaming the developers whenever a project fails just because it failed makes you look like a fool. Being generous is risky, just as breathing low quality air or working with deadly acid/toxins/nuclear waste/whatever is risky (maybe not to that degree, but you get what I mean). Projects are bound to fail for countless reasons, either because developers dive in too quickly, monetary funds are mismanaged, development teams have internal disputes, hard drives and computers/mainframes fail, or other reasons that might or might not include deadly neurotoxin, nuclear war, severe chronic depression, bureaucracy/democracy, or whatever the hell it is that it is happening. (Don't mind my hyperbole, fellas, I'm trying to be funny while also proving a point.) People are always so quick to jump the gun and say "They robbed me! I want a refund!" when the reality could be much further than you realize. While legitimate scams on Kickstarter and IndieGOGO are common, they'are far less common than you believe (though sadly, when the developers fail to properly address their backers with what went wrong quite often, it feeds this stigma). Sure, it is the fault of the devs for failing to own up to their promises, and it is the fault of these crowdfunding websites to properly moderate what campaigns go onto the websites, but ultimately it is your fault for not acknowledging the risks involved with these kinds of things, and then donating large sums of money for a project run by people you do not even know and blindly expecting something in return. Once more, these projects are bound to fail, and you walk in with your money blindly. Think of Kickstarter and IndieGOGO like two competing Las Vegas casinos. You bring large sums of money to the table, expecting to win big. Unlike what you expect from stories of people who won big, (not knowing that perhaps quite a few of these were made up as an April Fools prank or for wanting more fame than they deserve) you have varying chances to actually win big. You put forth your collateral, and you may either win big or leave empty handed, it's the gambler's life. That's sort of what crowdfunding is these days, a gambler's life. I don't expect you to trust nobody but yourself (and blame the dealer for you for failing to get the big win of your dreams), nor am I expecting you to stop using crowdfunding altogether. I am expecting you to at least understand and acknowledge the risks involved with these websites, and make more intelligent investments in the games you are backing. Be smart about how much you spend and where you spend it, or if you have to, don't spend a single penny and wait until whatever projects on these sites hit the open market instead, and let others do the backing for you. And remember that kindness, patience, and intelligence are virtues that should be our guidelines and strong points in our lives. A year's worth of kindness beats back a day's worth of misgivings.
I feel like this was just a speculative bashing of the yogscast rather than an assessment of the economical ups and downs that made this faluire succeed.
Ah... Alright. I don't have an ear for spotting differences, my ear is more keen to noticing similarities between sounds. So things like this happen to me a lot.
***** Yeah, sometimes I'm the same. Though I've spent years obsessively playing the first JJ as a kid (never really liked the sequel for some reason), so I'll recognize that music everywhere.
Dude, when Rockstar created the first sandbox game (Body Harvest) they almost went bankrupt when Nintendo told them to turn it into an RPG instead. When Rockstar understandably couldn't pull that off, Nintendo pulled funding and booted them out. I'm not sure how many people they had in their team at the time but it was Hell for them
Funding a kickstarter video game is not the same as buying a video game. You're taking a risk just like any other investor would. The sense of entitlement from backers who got duped is a bit silly. Understandable, but silly. You didn't buy a product, you invested in a project. There is a difference.
Jumanji Joe That disclaimer or fineprint exempts them from responsibility. something that every platform has. Everywhere else in the world where money changes hands there is regulation and bookkeeping of sorts. Strange it's taken the mainstream to realize Kickstarter's more troublesome sides.
But that's Kickstarter for you, it does exactly what it says on the tin, it's a Kick-start for ideas and sometimes it doesn't work, tough shit, people should know what they're getting themselves into when they throw their money at something.
May I ask for the rationale behind using Patapon music? Does that have something to do with Yogscast (never saw it) or do you just like Patapon? Just asking since it's been a very long time since I heard anything Patapon related.
the part of money going somewhere but not to game development and the guy buying a new car at the time dont have anything to do with "making games is hard you know?" that is how thievery works.
Its scandalous because the devs ran with the money. Its not really a Yogscast scandal though like people like to call it, since they were not the ones that took the money and ran.
@MysticHero It is up to Yogscast to do their due diligence on the company if they are lending their name to the project. Just because they aren't the developers doesn't mean they are absolved of any responsibility.
Kane Hearst If thats the case then why did they list getting a character of yours in the show as a kickstarter reward more than a year after Part 42 was uploaded? So are you telling me they knowingly added that as a reward knowing full well they had no intention of continuing the series?
I feel like people are quick to see malice where most likely incompetence/wishful thinking was at fault. As most of us know, RUclips algorithms work on a snowball basis, but the thing is that it works in both ways - one you loose relevance your subs are effectively dead. Keeping that in mind, do you really think that they were stupid enough to exchange their RUclips goldmine for a 150000 cash grab? Think whatever you want about their content, but the sheer fact that they were able to keep themselves afloat and I do mean afloat (not sky-high) - look at their current average views - is a proof that they are not stupid. Of course, backers have all the rights to feel cheated, but there is a difference between putting down a rabid dog and tormenting it to death.
Assuming they actually stole the money. As I said, I think that - at least in regards to managing a RUclips channel(s) - they are way smarter than they show. That kind of scum would be an extremely foolish decision. Public opinion is everything on RUclips and I would argue that it's even more so for them because they are supporting a whole company of people (and their families). If they were planning to scam people from the start they wouldn't brand the game with their own name. Other than that, it's not like they were riding this trainwreck on concept art alone - the game (what's left of it) is out there, so people were genuinely working on it. What in turn, decreases the chances that the developers were in on the scam. And if they were not in it then they would cry out for help way sooner than they did. The problem in this situation is also one of their biggest advantages - they are always very tight-lipped about drama/controversies. It's not uncommon for channels as big as theirs used to be (views-wise) to generate millions annually and - unless RUclips finally fucks itself over - it will only get better with the decrease of television-based media consumption. Their job is easy, satisfying and as stable as one can be nowadays. I will repeat myself but it would be really retarded to gamble in such a way. Whether it was malice or stupidity we can safely say that they were punished for it - tenfold if we account for all the wasted potential.
Actually, I heard that they were not the ones initiating the project, allegedly they were approached by the developers and were to provide (mostly) the brand. I would argue that strong enough backing would be enough to drive the campaign - for the fans it's the people, not the brand that counts and the brand is nowhere near big enough to accumulate a (positive) attention of a random public. "Don't shit in your own nest" is PR 101. From what I know, physical rewards were (mostly) sent out and that second game must have been worth something as well. If anything it would have been better for them to just shut up completely and not bother with the other game. Don't get me wrong, the blame is there, I just think that it is on the developer's site. He probably wanted to make the game, but when it turned out to be an actual work and that other guy fucked off with the money, he just did the same. Except he couldn't just vanish so he stalled for time and played a victim. Yogscast had the least to gain and most to lose, just saying.
Exactly, a brand is everything, that is why you use it to positively reinforce something, not when you know that thing is going to fail. You don't bet on the horse that you want to poison for insurance money. There is a difference between incompetence in personal PR and incompetence in game developing. Many physical rewards were sent out, and that second game while shit, must have cost the Yogs something. Additionally, some refunds were given out and I doubt it was from the developer's pocket. All that eats in into the supposed profit from the scam, which as we agreed, was meager for such a flourishing company to begin with. If my theory is correct then it would make sense to give a majority of the power to that developer - because they were just another subcontractor - bigger and better paid but still. Litigation wouldn't work because the contract with that guy was shitty (I don't know who wrote it) and from the legal point of view, he had the right to take the money and walk away. Making a game out of their pocket would be pointless because thought by the failure they would have to hire a proper team and such a game (properly made) would cost a fortune. People tend to care a lot about negative actions and not a lot about the positive ones. It's not like people in thanks for not being fucked over would promote the Yogs everywhere. At best, a couple of people would thank them. Free negativity is (arguably) better than (very) costly indifference.
I'm not saying that they are saints for what they did but at the time they couldn't know the full spectrum of consequences so what they did must have been in the interest of victims - good will if you wish - and not an insincere damage control. Additionally, let's assume that they were only a subcontractor/promoter that in unfortunate series of events ended up as a scapegoat. Then their actions look a lot better and demanding more from them seems unfair. It's like a guy knowingly taking care of other man's child because he knows that the other party is not going to take responsibility. I looked up that thing with the contract and you are right - it's called Unilateral Mistake, but it wouldn't be an easy case. Plus if it wasn't the Yogs but that developer that signed the contract then they wouldn't be able to do much besides giving the money to the developer. And that would be stupid because the case could have cost more and take so long that this 30k would be meaningless in the game development process. Not only that but we also don't know if the Yogs knew at the time that the guy run off. That developer himself said that he was omitting some things because he wanted to keep the project going. At the end of the day, we know too little to judge either side properly. I'm just willing to give them a benefit of the doubt and you clearly do not.
The fact that they were the face doesn't necessarily mean they were the brain. It wasn't an RPG about their adventures or anything like that. The name was only another promotion material. We don't know shit about how the money was spent. Yogscast is saying nothing and the developer isn't exactly reliable. It's not that uncommon to pay for someone's work up front when the contract is about a particular artifact of work as opposed to time-based one. If the developer was the brain of the operation and he was as incompetent as to sign such stupid contract then going after his ass would be beating a dead horse because he pissed the rest of the money anyway. Now you are contradicting yourself be claiming that they were smart enough to come up with such complicated scam and at the same time dumb enough to think that vast majority of their fanbase would let themselves be fucked over in broad daylight. I know that fanboyism can be strong but even young people tend to care about their money. Plus it may not seem like it but fanboys are only a fraction of the fanbase.
Sega Transformed had the strangest characters ever to be included in a "Sega Racing Game". TF2, Wreck-It-Ralph, Yogscast and Danica Patrick to name a few.
It seems that Winterkewl wasn't planning as properly as Mojang was. Mojang took baby steps to create themselves a better game, and everyone had access to it. With the income steadily rolling in, Minecraft became the game that it is today. Winterkewl on the other hand started out way too soon, and like you said Larry, bit off way more than they could chew. Should they have taken the route that Mojang chose, their game, and company could have been saved. What were they on when they think they could handle what a AAA company could handle?
This is why I will never back a crowdfunded project. Companies who bankroll projects like this have the know-how and resources to properly vet the team's credentials and the likelihood of success. I'll leave it to the professionals to decide if a project is worthy of investment. If they can't secure funding the traditional way, maybe they don't deserve it.
Depends on what you're funding. I avoided Silicon Knights' spiritual successor to Eternal Darkness like the plague, as it looked shady as hell, but I did back Fran Bow, made by just two people, and it was incredible. They weren't able to come through with the art book perk, but they addressed that in an update and offered refunds to anyone who backed that perk. tl;dr it may just be luck of the draw.
+Lotus Prince To be fair I haven't had any kind of bad experience like these and have backed several projects at least. One that was taking simply too long for me I got a full refund for. Eventually everyone else got their items though. I think it really can be the luck of the draw. One thing's for sure though: only back a project if you can see a working and demonstrated prototype.
MakerInMotion some projects are well worth backing though. I backed 2 projects. Both were music related. One was for new band with a singer that I really trusted to deliver, and he did. And the other was with a singer I personally know and have talked to a lot and his hew band funded a pretty decent amount of the money needed and paid the rest out of packet. The album they made was actually just release and its amazing. Plus all he stuff they are ending to the backers is making them lose a little money, but they don't care since they like their fans and can afford it. What I'm really trying to say is that a lot of stuff on kickstarter can be worth funding if you know who the people making it are at all.
You have to do your research and be smart about what you back. I've backed multiple KS campaigns like Shovel Knight, Yooka-Laylee and board games. Good KS campaigns will highlight and show you each step and where the funding goes. Look at the scope of the project, and how many reputable names are involved (unknown indie devs and RUclipsrs are a red flag). Look for industry veterans, because a lot of them know how to manage themselves, but there are bad ones, too. Haven't been burned yet, and you usually get the game and goodies a good deal cheaper with your backing.
Trevor A. Yeah I heard about Shovel Knight. They knew what they were doing and delivered on all promises. Good for them. Although competency isn't always a sure sign of success. You could have talented developers who just happen to have gambling addictions or a taste for cocaine and hookers. You're trusting not only in their talent, but in their moral fiber as well. There was a project to make affordable home 3D printers where the guy took all the backers' money and bought a house.
Don't worry matey, wanted to kept this as part of a trilogy, as I normally suck at multi part videos. But there's a new Fact Hunt up on Christmas Eve :)
Glad to hear it, Larry! And for the record, I think it's a good idea to bring on guest talent. Dan is pretty solid. Hell, if I had any talent or ideas, I'd ask to join in. :D
The problem with Kickstarter is that people with no business or development expertise have an idea and believe that as long as they get a shitload of money they can easily make it happen through hiring people. Even if you have 4 million dollars at your disposal, if you have no clue how to run a business or manage people/money you can easily run out without accomplishing much.
I love the video Larry! Man...the stuff I learn just blows my mind. I've been watching since "you're not very good at this, are you?" Your content just keeps getting better and better. :) Edit: This comment is also meant for Daniel, who's channel is also awesome. :P
So the company that fell through pointed its finger at yogscast... and thats enough for you people?.. seriously, from what he said, thats just estimations of what happened with the money, and from what many math people have said, ITS WRONG, and being avidly DENIED as not true. So? Did yogcast ever get 150k to begin with? Or were they cheated as everyone else was? Honestly, i dont blame yogscast for not paying people back. Their just the brand name here. Itd be like if vermintide turned out bad, i wouldnt blame GW ( i blame them for AOS though ).
Cody Turner though i dont think they're blameless ( i mean, they did hire idiots ), i also dont put all the blame on them ( they really couldnt have known who they hired were idiots ). I simply doubt thee allegations against them.
Larry Bundy Jr Yeah, I've talked with him a little bit, a few years ago. He's a really nice guy, seems like a nice guy to just sit down and chill with -- quite like you Larry. Glad you got to meet him!
Can anyone with any knowledge of the situation tell me about all this "homophobic and transphobic" behaviour as well as whatever Sjin has done please? I've not heard of this all up until now.
Tumblr BS. Claims that were circulated within the proto-SJW circles of the time with no concrete proof, only hear-say and blind belief in it. None of these claims existed outside of Tumblr, incidentally.
Dibby D Ridgedog lost his cool and started insulting people complaining on the yogscast official forums, if I remember correctly he used various slurs to describe them. And the Sjin stuff, an underage fan claimed to have been asked for nudes by sjin/someone pretending to be Sjin, and Lewis then kind of made things worse by refusing to have it looked into. Yogscast really need to hire some good PR, because most of the controversies were caused by Lewis saying dumb stuff.
Nah they don't. It's not like they're very popular now anyway. They got huge off of that minecraft series which was admittedly brilliant. In fact its' the only "lets play" I would ever tell people to watch. Then they lost all the files and just started to make boring youtube celeb shit.
Hannah and Kim are a bit SJW more Hannah then Kim, so they might have sided against Sjin as an initial reaction then realised it was wrong. While I am not sure about Kim, I have seen Hannah on multiply occasions share stuff like statistics that are blatantly wrong. I do like Hannah, but she does get too involved with politics sometimes. I have seen her Dox a 12 year old before.
that list of yogscast issues are just false. the yogscast are the most down to earth guys on the planet and have raised over 6 million dollars for charity. its been a bumpy road but they are the best youtubers out there!
Did anyone else read the letter at the beginning and see where they put the part about "helping him to cheat on his girlfriend"? It's funny that they added that when so many people were raging that personal stuff like that isn't important when it was brought up about Zoe Quinn. I don't know, I just find double standards funny for some reason.
Yeah, it occurred to me that I hadn't heard anything about them for a while. They were everywhere 5 years ago, even got them as DLC in sonic all-star racing etc.
It sounds like Kickstarter has less of a scam problem (although one does exist) and more of a creditability problem with its projects. Displaying budgets and development plans on the pages should probably be a requirement at this point, although, with some backers on the site having a poor sense of judgement and value, it would probably end up being a bandaid fix.
This is EVERY Kickstarter. They never deliver when they initially promised. And developing a modern game is a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of work.
That's not true, we did get Shovel Knight and Undertale out of Kickstarter. I'll grant you that's still a fraction of the amount of games (or anything really) put out on that site however occasionally you'll find people who are genuinely interested (and capable) of giving you what they promised.
Risk your own god damn money, not everyone else's. If you aren't willing to make the investment for your own project, why should anyone else? There are tons of projects where people genuinely don't have the money to fund them their selves. Those deserve funding LONG before someone who can.
Microtardz Well, one, people back projects based on they want to see get made, not on who "deserves" it the most And two, like I said, even "rich" people can't pay for development on a video game out of pocket. And even if you manage to score a bank loan to create a single video game (not likely), you're going to be paying sky-high interest rates. And unless you plan to monetize the hell out of the game, you will never pay that loan off. So is that the kind of motivation you want to see in the indie game scene? Desperate companies forced to design games around paying off their impossible debts? That's a recipe for amazing games if I've ever heard one. That's why Kickstarter exists. To promote projects that enrich our culture but don't necessarily fit into a profitable business model. It's got nothing to do with how rich or poor the project-runners are.
Copydot Riddle me this. If a multi-million dollar company is unwilling to put 500,000 towards the development of their own game. *How passionate are they?* It actually has everything to do with how rich or poor the project-runners are. With the plethora of indie games that have been made in the spare time of developers without a single sent put towards them? It's absolutely a game about money. This is a story that has been told a reiterated a thousand times by now. Learn your lesson, stop trying to defend them. This is nothing more than a rich *COMPANY*, because that's what the yogscast has been for years, looking to make a video game to make money off of (And a studio looking to make a name for themselves), without being willing to put a fraction of their millions towards the project. And now they've paid the price, as they should have. Their channel has dwindled massively (And thus too, has their income), their 7 million subs mean nothing, and the kickstarter was a predictable failure. Again, drill the lesson of crowd funding into your mind. *Crowd funding is to be used to help people WHO CANNOT AFFORD IT, to make their project a reality*. Those who can should put their money where their mouth is *ELSE THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE PROJECT*.
Microtardz This vid is the first I've heard about Yogcast. I can't speak for them. But you act like people with a few hundred grand in the bank should be required to put themselves in the poor house to fund their passion projects instead of using tools like Kickstarter that are designed to make those project possible without destroying your personal finances. And you also make the assumption that these people aren't spending any of their own money, which is 100% not true. Kickstarter isn't a fucking charity, dude. It's not about helping people with no money - it's about funding projects that don't fit into a mainstream business model. Maybe Yogcast wasn't passionate about their project. Maybe they just saw it as a losing proposition regardless and decided to cancel it instead of pouring their own money down the drain. I don't really care. Their Kickstarter was perfectly legitimate, and if people didn't want it they wouldn't have backed it. You sound like you've got some hangups beyond a video game not getting made.
If I never made a video game before and was capitalizing on e-fame to raise money for the development of one... it'd be a visual novel with the money spent on nice art and a half competent person to make sure the flags all work right for the handful of branches in the story. Something simple and within reach for a bunch of amateurs.
GGryphon they were just the guys who made minecraft cool back in the day. Before it was just all about money, commercialism, and the community was completely invaded by 8 year olds.
Cristy You're right, but what percentage of the videos have to be minecraft videos for a channel to be a "minecraft channel" and not a "channel that occasionally posts minecraft videos?
I fully agree, i love that game, I was just saying I don't really get why it had Yogscast DLC (yes i know its for charity, its still weird) Gimme a streets of rage cop car with that special A button instead please!!!!
Macho Fantastico Good for you. That's the point of games. A game could have terrible graphics, annoying music and a blatantly stupid plot, but as long as it's fun it's a good game.
Mighta been when Honeydew went on his "pissbabies" rant in response to not disclosing their paid Steam Curator endorsements... or maybe that was just a small beef from me and a couple friends. Didn't youtube have an account purge last year?
Dan, I like your videos, but a lot of the non-kickstarter accusations you make against the Yogscast crew are substantiated rumors. Some of it verges on slander.
Although not listed in the 10 highlighted here, an honorable mention should be given to "Hiveswap" www.kickstarter.com/projects/14293468/homestuck-adventure-game/
I remember backing this. I had hoped to bury my ignorant younger self's terrible life choices under an ocean of whisky... Thanks Larryy Bundy Jr. for rendering my excessive alcoholism pointless by reminding me of this event. Subscriber +1
I remembered that I really wanted this game. I still enjoy the Kickstarter trailer, & I remember seeing the beach in the beta build & wanting to dig right into it. Losing this & then losing SkySaga was a huge blow. I think I knew how the people who waited forever for Half Life episode 3 must have felt when they finally realized it wasn't coming.
HUGE NOTE You forgot to mention that the developer who worked on this and was a lead at WinterKewl Games ruined his life over Yogventure. He posted on the forums that he spent so much time and money on the game he was being divorced. I'm fucking serious
Just to point out, the yogscast gas raised one million dollars for charity in their first week of jingle jam this year, for different charities around the world as well as giving thanks to the people who donate and giving away thirty gaming realated items for those who donate more than thirty dollars. I think we can forgive them for being a little ambitious and not making ALL the correct choices when making a video game for the FIRST time. I am Dave!Yognaught and I have the respect for the Yogscast.
My point wasn't about whether or not they had a legal obligation (I know they don't), but more that they felt that they had to mention it to try to calm the angry storm that was building up amongst the backers who felt screwed. When you deliberately drop something like that it's PR crowd control, otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned it at all and just got to their point. I understand why they did it, but it doesn't make the situation any less messed up.
Well, I imagine it may have been a niave decision, not fully understanding how much of a shit-storm things had become and how riled up everybody was, what they said was ultimately the truth and they tried to make ammends, whilst it may seem scummy now, regarding TUG, at the time it looked promising and they couldn't have known it would go south at that point. I don't really know, it's only my two cents.
Spyrelle Phea That's fine. And you may be right. TBH none of us really know and probably never will. I personally believe they were being (at least a bit) shitty, as that's what that sentence sounded like to me, but that's just my take on it and you are also entitled to your own.
Of course, I mean, I'm not saying it wasn't a disaster but I don't see malice as I do just overambition and the best attempt at crowd control you can muster, you take care.
Another amazing video. You two are like my video game dream-team. Great to see you bolstering Ol' Slopey. Whilst I immediately pointed out on his channel that the opening track is from Zool CD32, I forgot to add that the entertainment is strong with this vid. Keep 'em coming guys :)
An important note, people only mention the one Lucas hire. But all were given upfront money contracts, with no guarantees, and they were all just artists. Who knows if they created their money's worth. The only programmer was the winterkewl owner. It is an embarrassment. The fact Lewis tries to skirt responsibility is the issue. They could still do something. Hire another team, turn it into opensource for the fans. Lewis is also at fault, hire a guy with no apparent experience in making a game.
Honestly I felt Double Fine handled Broken Age way worse though it did eventually come out. Their original asking price was $400k to be delivered Oct 2012 and raised $3.3million ran out of money despite shattering the goal and had to get more funding, released it in two parts, and the full game wasn't released till April 2015. Both games had the same issue, mis management of time and money with feature creep. Yes the game eventually came out but what is worse asking for $400,000 making more then 10x the amount asked between kickstarter, "Slacker Backers" and Steam EA fund, and still running out of money needing to ask for more and releasing nearly 3 years late due to promising more and more features, or asking for $250k, only getting double that and also running into feature creep without the name of "Double Fine" to have people throw more money at the project... yes since then Double Fines credibility went from "man this game will be great and I trust this company enough to buy a pre alpha version" to "I'll wait till the game is out they have pulled way to many sketchy things for me to give them money early like Spacebase DF-9". At least Double Fine did eventually release Broken Age unlike Spacebase DF-9, but still that campaign was a great way to ruin DFs trust and would definitely be on a list of Worst Kickstarter campaigns that blew out their target goal but nearly still never saw the light of day.
I remember the first video yogscast did for this, and my initial thought was: This is a youtube channel trying to make a game...how could this possibly succeed. Now if they got someone with actual experience involved, then it might succeed, but then they likely wouldn't need the money too. There simply wasn't any aspect of this kickstarter that gave me confidence that it would succeed, and right from day 1 I expected it to fail.
look, not judging but if you pay 10000 dollars in a kickstarter project, you are a bad decision maker
It's essentially a ten grand gamble. They have anonymous groups for gamblers.
"A fool and his money are easily parted"
10k is something you put towards an investment, not a bonafide gamble with a 50% failure rate. They (unfortunately) deserved what they got.
Sabrowsky it is arguably better money spent than in some mobile games...
probably some riche dude's kid
This is why you don't let a company that has no previous work do something really ambitious.
No Man's Sky, much?
yep
1247theGreatest To be fair, they had some experience developing a small BMX game. That doesn't really transition well to a universe simulator, but it's something.
Mitch L the devs for no man's sky actually did have one older game, it's shit but it's something
No Man's Sky is actually a decent little game. The problem is that it was overhyped to ridiculous lengths.
>500K
>Six man team
Red flags are almost always present.
If you think that's nuts for a 6 man team least one of these 6 man team gave us the most important shooter
@@nathanm8792 It depends on what it is. Final Fantasy 6, for instance, was made by a group of 39 people, but sold millions of copies, and had a large scale in terms of story, art, and features, and very high quality art and audio/music. (Compare to other pixel art/chiptune games.) I concur, the main point in my reply is I feel an actual major publisher example with a well-known team shows how those numbers do not seem crazy when you compare them to games made back in the old days. That is not even considering the fact they did not have the tools we have today, and wrote all that in assembly.
Then again, another factor is a lot of these were industry veterans, in a company with 10 years of experience releasing games.
I'm a minute into the video, and I already have issues with it. You know why the Yogscast DLC was made for Sonic and Sega all stars racing transformed? For Charity.
Kachopper9 😂😂😂
But yo cast kept the money they said they might give it the charity
@@everythingpony they didnt keep any of the money they raised for charity what are you on about?
@@almondandfriends no they said they might give it the charity but they invested so much and never got anything out of it that they didn't clarify if they donated to charity because they said they put their own money into this at some point
@@everythingpony that's just not true, they always donate it all...
I can't say anything about RidgeDog but as for Sjin, the only proof I found was some dodgy looking screenshots. I'm not sure if there was more proof against him but innocent until proven guilty people.
EDIT: After Bouphe and Gee's statements about Sjin, I'm very glad he's out of Yogs. I can reasonably believe that Sjin was creepy towards them and therefore my opinion on him has changed. I am not going to delete this comment however as I believe the original statement still stands despite it no longer applying to Sjin.
TheDingoRepublic Something was proven photoshopped, this then rendered the rest of the "proof" fake/untrustworthy.
ThePokemonHype Ah right, cheers mate, I was gonna give him the benefit of the doubt anyway, but it's good the know there is no solid evidence.
Well like most sexual harassment on the internet
There isn't much solid proof just lots of finger pointing
There were a couple of times where random yogs members talked about that and It is just as I thought. Sjin hasn't done anything like that it was all lies :)
Wasn't the person a legal adult anyways? Even if it was true they were an adult.
It's 2020, and this story may be a meme now but to me it is honestly just sad. I remember my older brother (who is extremely introverted and a bit socially awkward) who loved the yogscast get too excited when he saw the yogventures kick starter gameplay. He waited with all his hopes and heart for the game to drop and wanted so badly to donate to help them push the game along.
It looked like a really cool, well thought out idea and after having played WoW for so long they would definitely have a world and game functions similar to that in the game. The sad part so to speak is thinking of what it could have been if they had chosen a credited game developer and not given some rinky dink rookie company a chance?
What if the game HAD become successful? What if they HAD given yogventures another go with the money they earned later on? It's the possibilities wasted that are the saddest to me.
The shocking part for me is when they said "we have no obligation to" as if they were just real nice guys giving you some free prize after failing to deliver on their own project. That would be a slap in the face to me if I backed it.
Yeah they got a LOT of shit for that comment at the time.
they really don't have obligation to.
You seem shocked by their behavior, especially the way they treated totalbiscuit (the man who got them where they are). On top of getting banned from Minecon from Notch himself. They are uptight assholes.
Pretty sure it wasn't Totalbiscuit that got them where they are, it was all their great series they had going but cancelled them because they lost interest.
Totalbiscuit wanted to control their channel and make them do promotions which they didn't want to do because as they said now "When we did our first promotion it felt like we were selling our souls." but he wouldn't stop bugging them about it which caused them to stop being friends. Totalbiscuit was nothing but a nuisance to them at the time but since that was a few years back things between them aren't too bad as he is still friends with Sips.
Never donate more than $50, kids.
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That's the absolute maximum, if you absolutely love the project and trust the creator to deliver.
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Well $50 is significantly less than $10,000.
Yeah man who the FUCK has 10000 to blow on a kick starter.
that Asian part ain't no shit. I live in a college town and the only ferrari and other nice exotic cars are 18 year old Asian kids that hardly speak english. one of the Ferrari go totaled the other day. 250,000 of daddy's money down the drain..
if you're going to donate money, give it to orphaned children, not unfinished video game.
those claims about Paul Sykes are dubious. Also Ridgedog also no longer works with the yogs
Yeah i dont belive them. They seem way to fake
@Dodo The Donkey it really did hahaha
lmao
@Jamie explain it to me.
@@danke1150 Sjin recently got kicked out of the Yogscast for possibly flirting with underage fans (at best) and/or outright pressuring them to do sexual acts (at worst). Overall, a lot of the details are very vague and unavailable to the public and will most likely stay that way.
I feel like this was more of winterkewl's fault, than the yogscasts
yogscast should have definitly done more research into what dev team they picked. as far as I can find they had no previous releases, and I doubt they had any kind of good prototype to show off their ability to create a project of this scale. Yes, the fault lies with winterkewl, but considering how big the risk was, yogscast should have never partnered with them in the first place.
They could have at least delivered on the high tier pledges.
Don’t diss yogscast wasn’t there fault
Toasted Tofu xd ur so incorrect
@@toastedtofu7778 Actually it is, it's their brand. But I'm sure a 12 year old would know nothing about business.
someone should really tell this guy that a single tumblr page maintained by one person with questionable sources is not a viable source for additional contriversal topics.
I agree, someone stating their opinion is not a credible source. But... they had evidence. A lot of evidence. That was true.
Very true
Are you going to justify that with sources at all? Sjin and Ridge had to leave the company after discussions with Lewis and he wouldn't just do that for no reason.
Wow this comment aged badly
@@daz184o_o6 ?
As a $90 backer of Yogventures who studied the development of the game very closely I'd like to shed some more light on this situation.
The game initially showed off in videos and eventually at E3 was made using a completely different engine. A little into development they found out that the engine they were using wouldn't be good enough for what they wanted, and they were forced to make their own. Over several months they worked to create a game that ended up being a shittier version of Minecraft creative mode.
Following the bankruptcy and closure of the game, fans were also promised another game you may know as "Everquest Next: Landmark" an mmo building game made by Sony. This was a game made by a big company but after some management changes, that game (as well as its sister game Everquest Next) were both ALSO canceled. Backers did not receive the beta keys to Yogventures, they were given keys to TUG and EQ Landmark. If you already had access prior to the cancelation, you could still download the beta however.
Physical rewards were one of the biggest scams of the project. My tier for example was suppose to get a "Custom t-shirt with concept art from the game" and a poster (of what I assumed to be similar concept art). When the shirt came it was a blank white t-shirt with the word "Yogventures" on it in black. That was it. It used the Yogscast font, but it was one of laziest jobs I've ever seen. The poster never came. The "Be a character in Shadow of Israphel" tier for the saps who backed $2000 also were screwed over as that entire series also ceased to happen mid 2013.
The official "last update video" of the game (which has since been taken down) was actually released about a year after the one showed here. It actually made the game seem pretty reasonable. The game had physics, rolling smooth hills (which for voxels is quite difficult) and different biomes. Shortly after this clip was released the official cancellation came out.
The game had potential in concept but lacked the professionalism and money truly required to build such a game. The game created after the original engine looked terrible, played terrible and just wasn't very good.
...they had to build a game engine from scratch? Uh, that should have been a giant red flag to whomever wrote the cheques. There are (or were, in this case) plenty of capable game engines that would have worked or could be modified to work. And even then, why not expand the library of the engine they were using to make it work? That would have been more efficient.
I say this as someone who has (with others) built a small RPG using JavaFX for 2d graphics. I coded... I'll call it a rudimentary engine (framework that holds the code and allows for easy scene creation and transitions and progresses the game forward in time) and, quite frankly, that means re-building the game from scratch every time you need a functionality that was overlooked because, once you make the engine better, the game's old code becomes inefficient almost by default.
@Coley Durham If this was the 3rd such endeavor he wasted his money on then I'd agree with you. But people are capable of making honest mistakes. It's learning from those mistakes and not making them in the future that counts.
This is how scam works : it always want to assure you that everything is ok, it is just few issues to solve.... and then they gone with your money. No delivery - scam.
I honestly feel bad for the Yogscast. Sure they should have done more research when it came to WinterKewl, but they were pretty screwed over when it came to the game itself. WinterKewl ran, and they couldn't do anything about it. Truly a sad story.
Bullshit. They made more than enough to ensure through legal means that Winterkewl upheld their end of the bargain, and that was to develop a working game.
Mr.Binks No? They couldn't, the company "magically" went bankrupt. All they could've done is magically become game devs and finish the game themselves.
@@MrBinks-un8ju What legal means? For a company that filed for bankruptcy and ceased to exist? How were they supposed to sue a company that didn't exist anymore?
I only feel bad for the people who got ripped off, and just a little.
@@MrBinks-un8ju trust me man people always find a way to fuck other people over. My dad and a older cousin started a restaurant and within 9 months the accountant, which was a friend of my cousin stole the money and ran to Mexico. After that the restaurant could support itself and we had to close the doors
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I am incredibly sceptical about these claims. So many people scream "sexual harassment" and "transphobe" that I think it would be incredible remiss for me to accept these claims.
When such claims are only ever made on Tumblr, I think it's safe to say they're either completely untrue or taken way out of proportion.
welcome to america, where noone is safe from being called an asshole, even a priest
Ah yes, anyone who claims to have suffered abuse is now a tumblrina, even though there are many transgender groups on Facebook, Reddit, Twitter and pretty much everywhere, with many members that have to deal with transphobic abuse everyday.
I know some priests who love assholes
+Letonintendo When it's both unsubstantiated, like in the example shown in the video, and it comes from a website whose LGBT groups are known to lie and mislead regularly [as well as be abusive to the people they supposedly speak for if they don't tow their line, incidentally], it's not an unfair conclusion to draw. What is unfair is taking a statement solely regarding Tumblr and extrapolating it to all other LGBT groups across the Internet.
but mate, Sjin turned out to not be a pedo
Sjin was contacting a 16 year old girl in a country where the age of consent is 16 and a bunch of dumbass american SJWs had a fit on tumblr about it.
Max Stirner yep, that's it
@@rumaddzero9100 where does Sjin live again?
@@GiordanDiodato Bristol in England. Same as me. It's 16 here
@@dementedchikenjc Let's be honest, legal or not it's pretty fucking weird for a 30 year old to date a teenager. I love Sjin and this is the first i'm hearing about this whole thing but a grown person trying to get with a teenager is strange.
I'm glad somebody finally covered this, considering how much money the yogscast have, you'd think they would have paid for this for themselves!
Sylvester Ashcroft IIRC, at the time, they didn't have too much.
Dylan Currey when i was subbed to them at the time of setting up the kickstarter, they had 5 million subs, and were opening up two more sub channels, and just wrapped up on of their most popular mine craft series, and were easily making at least £50,000 per week,
The Stoned Videogame Nerd that's really bad, but at least hulk hogan had his own reality tv show a few years back, whilst mtv was still relevant.
+The Stoned Videogame Nerd Can you give me a link? I couldn't find any information on this Matpat Kickstarter.
Obito Uchiha or you could do like donald trump did and get a small loan of one million dollars *does dr evil voice for last part*
I'm pretty sure the Sonic Racing Transformed DLC was for charity
Steam-Powered Fox A Christmas stream if memory serves correct.
It was, yeah. Apparently it was originally going to be part of a free update as characters like General Winter and Willemus were, but Sumo managed to convince Sega to instead make him paid DLC, so that people who didn't want him could just simply not buy it, plus so that the profits from his purchase went to charity.
Frankly I'm glad they made it paid. I don't want that character in my game and this way it isn't.
Al Draws That's Mexico. Mexican tax law has no relation to English at all.
I was really into Yogscast in the beginning, when they were just a tiny bunch of friends dicking around in Minecraft.
SquareWaveHeaven ah the good old days
SquareWaveHeaven back when Shadow of Israphel was a thing
I really enjoyed their survival island series back in 2011
SonicGraffitiArtist the tekkit series?
vWolven Totally
Yo, I worked on the Yogscast DLC for the Sega Sonic All Star Racing. Worked hard on what we were required to produce & pretty proud of it. Thanks for the discrediting comments.
I quite liked the look of it, it was a fun little DLC!
Thanks mate! :)
@@timaullini Wow. Generalizing much?
@@thebackgroundguy9491 nah, only self-describing :DD
"we're under no obligation to do anything"
You know, whether you are or not, you probably shouldn't have said that, guys.
As a Yognaut, I remember that game back when it was being announced, I never put money towards it. I love the whole crew, and I do feel they did what they could to pay back the fans who trusted them, but I saw that game as a dangerous gamble at the time. A brand new startup company should always handle their own personal projects and make sure everything fits before taking on larger jobs such as that. Also, make sure the contracts protect your company, don't just hand out contracts and money without knowing you are safe too. Always have a backout clause, for example, if Artist A decides to quit working on the project, he is financially liable for returning the funds he was hired for. If he wanted to quit then, he would have to pay back that money (or his new employment would have to basically "buy" him at that point). Sure it would set back development a bit as you hunt for a new artist, but not as much as just straight up losing the money. Personally, I blame the company for the game's failure, not the Yogscast in that mess.
Honestly, what more could they do? They are RUclipsr's, not game designers. It's not like they can pick up the project and make it themselves. And at the time of doing those keys for Tug, the game looked okay, even I considered picking it up at the time. It's not what they promised, but the money was gone, they likely had to make a deal with the devs for Tug just to get those keys. I wouldn't be surprised if their videos playing the game were part of the deal to get the game more publicity. In the end, I don't think there really was much more the Yogscast could do and while it wasn't a perfect solution and mistakes were made, they could have handled it much worse too. I'll never understand the hate people give them over that.
The gamble should be in their hands not the hands of loyal fans. Fund the rest of the game themselves?
that's my opinion anyway
And bring the company under? It was smart of them to quit while they were ahead and swallow their pride.
+Daniel Ibbertson They could put up the money, but then they'd have to make that money first. More ads? Then they are called sellouts. Drives like their yearly charity drive to raise money for it? Same thing as having the fans fund it again. The Yogscast makes money doing RUclips and Twitch, but that doesn't make them rich. They don't have millions to throw into a game's development when they have to pay wages to themselves, editors, artists, musicians, as well as buying new equipment and games to play. They aren't a game development company, the only thing they had to offer to this project was their likenesses and popularity. And if throwing more money into a project was all it needed to magically make it succeed, Driv3r should have been a massive hit.
Besides that, the company that was making the game went under, even if they had the money, what could they do? The game was the property of WinterKewl games, not the Yogscast. Meaning that IF they did the game again, it would have to be with a new company, new name for the game, and they'd be starting from scratch. I've seen legal messes like that as well, best example being Awesomenauts.
PS3 and Xbox 360 versions belong to a company called dtp entertainment, and when they went under, Ronimo, the actual developer and creator of the game, couldn't touch it. So while PC was getting update after update, the console versions were getting nothing. Eventually, Ronimo rereleased the game themselves on PS4 and Xbox One as Awesomenauts Assemble! because dtp still had all the console rights to the game. Not saying this is the case, just giving you an idea that legally speaking (especially if there were any NDA's involved), there might be a lot more problems in the background we aren't even aware of.
I'm sure there's a lot of complex, undisclosed reasons as to why things happened how they did, and we don't know, we probably won't ever know.
How blind are you that you can openly look at the facts and say "relax man, they are youtuber's, not game developers." Look sunshine, if I tell someone i can fix their car for 500$, they pay me, and their car doesn't get fixed, That's on me. The people don't walk up to me and say "look, we get it, you aren't a mechanic, so you can keep the 500$." That's not how the real world works, you are living in a delusional fantasy land where someone is not responsible for their fucking actions because "I AM NOT X Y,Z THEREFORE I CAN'T BE BLAMED WHEN I CHARGE FOR X Y,Z."
On top of all this nonsense where they walked off with half a million dollars, they also made complete asses of themselves countless times. Getting themselves BANNED from Minecon by Notch himself, on top of spitting on Totalbiscuit, the man who got them to where they are. They are ungrateful, ignorant, greedy little piglets who don't deserve the fanatic love you have for them. And you should feel ashamed for defending their actions using your blatant, straman laden stick bridge of an argument.
I personally believe they have redeemed themselves from all the money they have donated to charity
very true they have made there image way better now they gave 5 million to charity's and more i dont know the exact number
They didnt give money to charity they just raised it from the fans smart enough to not donate to their 2 failed games
@@chaing-kai-shek2862 But... They have given a shit load of money to charity, it goes through Humble Bundle for fucks sake
@@chaing-kai-shek2862 yeah lol
You are a fanboy and a dumbass.
There are so many other horrible Kickstarters I'd love to see this guy research, but this series was pretty solid. Dan is a good dude, Larry. Im happy to see you guys promoting each other while still making quality content. If anything, I'm sad there's not MORE of this series. Good job you guys!
Thanks dude, We're going to give the subject a rest for a while before it outstays its welcome, but we'll definitely return to it at some point in the new year!
***** Happy to hear. I give you and Dan my best wishes as always. Take care, and have a wonderful Christmas.
Larry Bundy Jr Please shed light on more backer-stories, if needed of course.
'Pretty solid" "big boss" c;
Big Boss I think $1 is a little overboard
1:06 Actually, Yogscast was added to Sonic and All-Stars Racing Transformed for charity
I love the Yogscast. I've watched them for years. But even I can admit that Yogventures was a catastrophe.
Jeez, at least Mighty No. 9 got released.
Collin Rotton agreed
Yeah, it was better than nothing.
Yeah, and it really wasn't worth all the hassle, and ruined the reputation of all assosiated with it's development.
And the thing about mighty no 9 was different rather than a mega man character, because capcom would sue if he used anything close to mega man characters.
That game was almost a fraud. With a team of already well known people behind it it cost like $4 million and years to finish. Freedom Planet done by less people, $1 million was released within the year.
One hilarious thing I keep seeing: "Who cares? They raise money for charities!" And? A nice action doesn't just erase something shitty. I'd also like to point out that there are plenty of hateful, even just bad people, that gave money to charities. It doesn't just magically make bad things they've done disappear, or mean people can't talk about those things - that's ridiculous thinking.
Because they were clearly the ones that fucked up here.
Yes, free conversation should always be a thing, however a nice action should start making up for something shitty in the past, the past is the past, people have to learn to forgive.
Spyrelle Phea So then you agree with me. Because I didn't say anything contrary to what you actually said. My comment is also mainly about the fanboys - that quote was echoed by many. And it translates to "It doesn't matter that all these people had their money taken without shit in return! They raise money for charity!" Do you see how that (specific) thinking is fucked up? And to expand on the other area of my comment, hate groups, for example, have donated to/raised money for charities. That doesn't mean they're not bigots. That's all I'm saying - "they did something good, though, so the bad is irrelevant (and shouldn't be talked about)!" is ridiculous.
+Spyrelle Phea
Donating to charity isn't doing anything for the people their kickstarter fucked over. Why should those people forgive them?
Agreed.
Ok but why no mention of the Cheetahmen II kickstarter?
chocobros1 there was a cheetaman 2 Kickstarter?
Oda Swifteye Yeah dude, look it up. They had some huge names attached to it too, like the angry video game nerd, Pat the NES Punk, the game chasers and way more.
Has.. Has that actually been funded?
Pitäskötähänjokunimikeksiä As I recall it was indeed funded.
The details of that were especially shady. Didn't the guy who started it not even have the copyright to Cheetahmen 2? Among other things
The sjin rumors Are false though
Hannah and Kim have both stated otherwise, sadly.
@@keyholes When did Kim say this? I'm pretty sure that this whole rumor was dismantled but I don't remember that piece of evidence
@@keyholes The only evidence provided that wasn't jokes and banter was a few screenshots that were proven to be photoshopped, hence rendering any other evidence provided by that person untrustworthy/fake.
Additionally, this "young girl" was still technically of legal age, as the age of consent here is 16 anyway, yeah sure it's weird but I present a bit of logic. Why was ridge kicked from the yogs for doing the same shit as what Sjin was supposedly doing, yet Sjin wasn't punished for it? I admit it could be an unruly decision, but there is NO evidence, about Sjin being a pedophile, or ever cheating on his girlfriend at the time with someone else, as soon as the person in question was asked about anything, legal or otherwise, the tumblr page was closed down.
Innocent until proven guilty, trust me, falsely accusing someone of shit like this is horrific and you'll see yourself as a scumbag afterwards.
@@keyholes You can't just spread information around like that without sources for evidence, allagations of sexual misconduct are serious so please supply evidence.
if there is substantial evidence of the claim made then you'd think that he'd be prosecuted and I'd hope he was too. If evidence of the claim exists i would like to see it since i like sjin and i would want to know if he did something like that.
I mean they have donated over $11,000,000 to charity in the past few years so I doubt they're exactly trying to run off with people's money
A bit of a (related) tangent.
John Bain (TotalBiscuit), expressed quite a bit of criticism at what had happened, as well as criticisms of undisclosed promotions, and Simon of Yogscast revealed himself to be a dick over it, sniping at Bain on Twitter and such. Even, like, a year or so later, he couldn't let it go. Lewis was a bit better about it (read:professional) but yeah.
Me personally, I watched Yogscast a bit a few years ago, but I don't watch them anymore. Don't really care to, either. Sounds like the fame went to their heads, if you ask me.
Fame definitely went to their heads, and not in a good way. Lewis mentions around twice a year how he went down this route instead of actually using his degree. "I could have been a scientist, instead I'm playing this fucking game for the hundredth time.". He's pushing 40 now and I think it's starting to dawn on him that he's already built his legacy. And it's this.
Can't say I have too much pity for him. If he took six months or a year off to return to his scientific side and put out a popsci book on some subject, I'm sure his fans would forgive the absence and his clout would get him money back for the time lost when his book sells to people buying it for his name alone. He's totally capable of still pursuing his previous dreams.
Not excusing any of the actions of the Yogscast or the developer, sketchy as it may be, but a lot of this seems to be best seen in hindsight.
While it sucks for all involved, I'm glad this happened on the basis of it giving an example of what you should watch out for when dealing with Kickstarter.
Star Citizen will make this seem like chump change eventually.
Mike Rowsdower I really hope that Star Citizen doesn't turn out badly. I don't even follow or want the game, I just know that a ton of people are really excited for it and it would suck to see another giant flop that left a ton of people with a bitter taste in their mouths.
I don't want it to flop either, I'm invested for $60 bucks. But they just kept adding more and more goals and its been in development for so long, I just don't see it panning out.
I think it won't, the game is pretty much playable but still needs a lot of content to be considered a great game. It has a lot of money and if it ever fails, it will most likely be bought up by EA or microsoft or some other big gaming company. i never expected the game to be released whitin 3 or so years, more like 5 to 7 years or even more.
The game isn't NEARLY playable. Its a proof of concept demo at this point at best.
Why would EA/Microsoft buy the game? They buy SUCCESSFUL companies and games. Not failures.
Looking at the comments on this video, it seems to me that people are scapegoating Yogscast over a project, perhaps two, that they had no direct control over. AND the fact that these same people are remaining sour over the whole thing, when it is clear that Yogscast are trying to make up for whatever wrongdoing they had in this incident, going as far as demonizing even those who hold no ties to them just for defending who they are now, not for who they were when this happened. I say this not as a hardcore fan (I'm only a moderate fan) who blindly follows them. I say this as someone with at least a fair bit of logic that is missing here. Let's look at the details, and don't use TL;DR as an excuse please. If you don't have the patience to read something important because it is "too long", then... well... I guess, as a fanfic writer and college student, I simply cannot understand you.
People claim that "No amount of good can erase the bad.": This is true to some degree, but large amounts of good can at least prove that they are beyond what they were before. The inverse is also true, that no amount of bad can erase the good, but large amounts of bad over time can easily prove how someone has become corrupted by various influences. Just because they did one bad thing, doesn't mean they don't deserve forgiveness. If they deliberately did it, fine. You can be sore all you want, but there could be circumstances that may have forced them into it. You have to think about those circumstances before you start raising pitchforks and torches. It's like those hackers with Anonymous when they hacked and shut down numerous facebook accounts linked to ISIS, using bad actions with good intentions for everyone. If it was a mistake, then you have to learn to forgive and forget. If they've done plenty of bad things in the past and are actively and honestly trying to mend their ways, sure they can be susceptible to relapses, but that doesn't make it any less true. They deserve a chance to prove that they're trying to do the right thing. Don't be hypocritical and say one thing, but ignore the inverse when it is just as true and relevant as what you are saying, as that makes you look just as bad as Yogscast did when this happened. (At least Yogscast tried to make up for it, but that didn't go well.)
Shaming those with logic: This is a bad thing I've seen on this comments section so far, something that is, in my eyes, potentially worse than robbing a bank or destroying someone's car. One guy who very rarely watches Yogscast and isn't even subscribed to them was called out unfairly for casually replying to a comment, with just as much logic as I am using right now, being called a fanboy, for reasons that hold no logic whatsoever. I'll keep this brief, but I'll be blunt and definitely say that this sort of behavior doesn't win subs or likes. It just makes you look like a jackass and results in quite the opposite.
Blindly donating: I'm going to be blunt here with this one as well. Donating large sums of money over kickstarter or indiegogo when you should understand the risks involved, and then blaming the developers whenever a project fails just because it failed makes you look like a fool. Being generous is risky, just as breathing low quality air or working with deadly acid/toxins/nuclear waste/whatever is risky (maybe not to that degree, but you get what I mean). Projects are bound to fail for countless reasons, either because developers dive in too quickly, monetary funds are mismanaged, development teams have internal disputes, hard drives and computers/mainframes fail, or other reasons that might or might not include deadly neurotoxin, nuclear war, severe chronic depression, bureaucracy/democracy, or whatever the hell it is that it is happening. (Don't mind my hyperbole, fellas, I'm trying to be funny while also proving a point.) People are always so quick to jump the gun and say "They robbed me! I want a refund!" when the reality could be much further than you realize. While legitimate scams on Kickstarter and IndieGOGO are common, they'are far less common than you believe (though sadly, when the developers fail to properly address their backers with what went wrong quite often, it feeds this stigma). Sure, it is the fault of the devs for failing to own up to their promises, and it is the fault of these crowdfunding websites to properly moderate what campaigns go onto the websites, but ultimately it is your fault for not acknowledging the risks involved with these kinds of things, and then donating large sums of money for a project run by people you do not even know and blindly expecting something in return. Once more, these projects are bound to fail, and you walk in with your money blindly. Think of Kickstarter and IndieGOGO like two competing Las Vegas casinos. You bring large sums of money to the table, expecting to win big. Unlike what you expect from stories of people who won big, (not knowing that perhaps quite a few of these were made up as an April Fools prank or for wanting more fame than they deserve) you have varying chances to actually win big. You put forth your collateral, and you may either win big or leave empty handed, it's the gambler's life. That's sort of what crowdfunding is these days, a gambler's life.
I don't expect you to trust nobody but yourself (and blame the dealer for you for failing to get the big win of your dreams), nor am I expecting you to stop using crowdfunding altogether. I am expecting you to at least understand and acknowledge the risks involved with these websites, and make more intelligent investments in the games you are backing. Be smart about how much you spend and where you spend it, or if you have to, don't spend a single penny and wait until whatever projects on these sites hit the open market instead, and let others do the backing for you. And remember that kindness, patience, and intelligence are virtues that should be our guidelines and strong points in our lives. A year's worth of kindness beats back a day's worth of misgivings.
Andrew Manson TL;DR
Writes a 5 paragraph essay, says you're not a hardcore fan lmao
TheRealy00k
Nah, some people get really into writing
@@iamme8359 I did say I was in college lmao.
2016 - Worst video game scandal of all time = yogventures
after 2018 - Worst video scandal of all time = every new game released by Bethesda
So is Yogscast still a thing?
Slay Unfortunately, they are. But they disabled comments on all of their Yogventures stuff.
sadly, yes
thats fine there are so many channels on youtube everyone can find somthing that they like :)
Oh, so they still do that, that's nice. Do they record anything besides Minecraft nowadays?Michael Mann
Millions of people find it entertaining, and I'm fine with that. I don't have to watch it.
I feel like this was just a speculative bashing of the yogscast rather than an assessment of the economical ups and downs that made this faluire succeed.
Nice use of Jazz Jackrabbit 2 music. I dumped alot of hours into that games as a kid.
That's JJ1, the sequel theme is a remix of the first one and sounds slightly different.
Ah... Alright. I don't have an ear for spotting differences, my ear is more keen to noticing similarities between sounds. So things like this happen to me a lot.
*****
Yeah, sometimes I'm the same. Though I've spent years obsessively playing the first JJ as a kid (never really liked the sequel for some reason), so I'll recognize that music everywhere.
The project was failure from the very beginning. There's no way a 6 people startup can pull off an open world sandbox multiplayer...
Dude, when Rockstar created the first sandbox game (Body Harvest) they almost went bankrupt when Nintendo told them to turn it into an RPG instead. When Rockstar understandably couldn't pull that off, Nintendo pulled funding and booted them out. I'm not sure how many people they had in their team at the time but it was Hell for them
Funding a kickstarter video game is not the same as buying a video game. You're taking a risk just like any other investor would. The sense of entitlement from backers who got duped is a bit silly. Understandable, but silly. You didn't buy a product, you invested in a project. There is a difference.
This is why I've never donated on a kickstarter, because I could just buy a game that's already completed development instead
"we're under no obligation to do anything"
Scamstarter ladies and gentlemen!
To be fair they're not, thats why i never had and never will use shit starter.
Or rather, be very very cautious as to who you give your money to.
Jumanji Joe That disclaimer or fineprint exempts them from responsibility. something that every platform has.
Everywhere else in the world where money changes hands there is regulation and bookkeeping of sorts. Strange it's taken the mainstream to realize Kickstarter's more troublesome sides.
But that's Kickstarter for you, it does exactly what it says on the tin, it's a Kick-start for ideas and sometimes it doesn't work, tough shit, people should know what they're getting themselves into when they throw their money at something.
Odd use of the word "fair".
May I ask for the rationale behind using Patapon music? Does that have something to do with Yogscast (never saw it) or do you just like Patapon? Just asking since it's been a very long time since I heard anything Patapon related.
So I'm not the only one who likes (or knows what) Patapon (is!) !
George Sears Still waiting for a 4.
Took I hated that game. That music was annoying as fuck but the game was fun. Learned to play it on mute
well a remake of 1 is coming out.
I'm just a fan of music :D
You know that ridgedog guy? He hasn't been in one of their videos for about 3 years.
Yeah, but up until this year he's still been working for them.
I heard something about the fact that they couldn't fire him for some reason. IIRC Lewis said on a stream that he was glad that he's gone.
Sarcasm For All dead by daylight on main channel
Caitlin Gyrhan He was fired for getting a fan pregnant, leaving to another side of the country and not paying child support.
LOGiK™ No he's been fired since last year. Dead By Daylight was released this year. (You're probably thinking of Caff who was in the video)
This is a scandal? You mean it flopped, because creating a game is really hard.
the part of money going somewhere but not to game development and the guy buying a new car at the time dont have anything to do with "making games is hard you know?" that is how thievery works.
The developers were the dodgy ones, yogscast was just too naive
Its scandalous because the devs ran with the money. Its not really a Yogscast scandal though like people like to call it, since they were not the ones that took the money and ran.
@MysticHero It is up to Yogscast to do their due diligence on the company if they are lending their name to the project. Just because they aren't the developers doesn't mean they are absolved of any responsibility.
Dave Hobbs ok then tell trump to pay off all the failed buildings he slapped his name on. Oh right he files for bankruptcy so they cant sue him
"...still never been released." _Footage of a released game in the background._
Good research there. Top tier.
still waiting for shadow of israphel part 43. one day. one day.
I predict it will only come out after they disband and remove the business aspect from the channel.
inferno so never.
Kane Hearst I heard it was because their files got corrupted, and they lost the world, and didn’t want to bother rebuilding it
Kane Hearst
If thats the case then why did they list getting a character of yours in the show as a kickstarter reward more than a year after Part 42 was uploaded? So are you telling me they knowingly added that as a reward knowing full well they had no intention of continuing the series?
JJAB91 Given the amount of money they ripped off that seems entirely plausable
I feel like people are quick to see malice where most likely incompetence/wishful thinking was at fault.
As most of us know, RUclips algorithms work on a snowball basis, but the thing is that it works in both ways - one you loose relevance your subs are effectively dead. Keeping that in mind, do you really think that they were stupid enough to exchange their RUclips goldmine for a 150000 cash grab? Think whatever you want about their content, but the sheer fact that they were able to keep themselves afloat and I do mean afloat (not sky-high) - look at their current average views - is a proof that they are not stupid. Of course, backers have all the rights to feel cheated, but there is a difference between putting down a rabid dog and tormenting it to death.
Assuming they actually stole the money. As I said, I think that - at least in regards to managing a RUclips channel(s) - they are way smarter than they show. That kind of scum would be an extremely foolish decision. Public opinion is everything on RUclips and I would argue that it's even more so for them because they are supporting a whole company of people (and their families).
If they were planning to scam people from the start they wouldn't brand the game with their own name. Other than that, it's not like they were riding this trainwreck on concept art alone - the game (what's left of it) is out there, so people were genuinely working on it. What in turn, decreases the chances that the developers were in on the scam. And if they were not in it then they would cry out for help way sooner than they did.
The problem in this situation is also one of their biggest advantages - they are always very tight-lipped about drama/controversies.
It's not uncommon for channels as big as theirs used to be (views-wise) to generate millions annually and - unless RUclips finally fucks itself over - it will only get better with the decrease of television-based media consumption. Their job is easy, satisfying and as stable as one can be nowadays. I will repeat myself but it would be really retarded to gamble in such a way.
Whether it was malice or stupidity we can safely say that they were punished for it - tenfold if we account for all the wasted potential.
Actually, I heard that they were not the ones initiating the project, allegedly they were approached by the developers and were to provide (mostly) the brand.
I would argue that strong enough backing would be enough to drive the campaign - for the fans it's the people, not the brand that counts and the brand is nowhere near big enough to accumulate a (positive) attention of a random public. "Don't shit in your own nest" is PR 101.
From what I know, physical rewards were (mostly) sent out and that second game must have been worth something as well. If anything it would have been better for them to just shut up completely and not bother with the other game.
Don't get me wrong, the blame is there, I just think that it is on the developer's site. He probably wanted to make the game, but when it turned out to be an actual work and that other guy fucked off with the money, he just did the same. Except he couldn't just vanish so he stalled for time and played a victim.
Yogscast had the least to gain and most to lose, just saying.
Exactly, a brand is everything, that is why you use it to positively reinforce something, not when you know that thing is going to fail. You don't bet on the horse that you want to poison for insurance money.
There is a difference between incompetence in personal PR and incompetence in game developing.
Many physical rewards were sent out, and that second game while shit, must have cost the Yogs something. Additionally, some refunds were given out and I doubt it was from the developer's pocket. All that eats in into the supposed profit from the scam, which as we agreed, was meager for such a flourishing company to begin with.
If my theory is correct then it would make sense to give a majority of the power to that developer - because they were just another subcontractor - bigger and better paid but still.
Litigation wouldn't work because the contract with that guy was shitty (I don't know who wrote it) and from the legal point of view, he had the right to take the money and walk away.
Making a game out of their pocket would be pointless because thought by the failure they would have to hire a proper team and such a game (properly made) would cost a fortune. People tend to care a lot about negative actions and not a lot about the positive ones. It's not like people in thanks for not being fucked over would promote the Yogs everywhere. At best, a couple of people would thank them. Free negativity is (arguably) better than (very) costly indifference.
I'm not saying that they are saints for what they did but at the time they couldn't know the full spectrum of consequences so what they did must have been in the interest of victims - good will if you wish - and not an insincere damage control.
Additionally, let's assume that they were only a subcontractor/promoter that in unfortunate series of events ended up as a scapegoat. Then their actions look a lot better and demanding more from them seems unfair. It's like a guy knowingly taking care of other man's child because he knows that the other party is not going to take responsibility.
I looked up that thing with the contract and you are right - it's called Unilateral Mistake, but it wouldn't be an easy case. Plus if it wasn't the Yogs but that developer that signed the contract then they wouldn't be able to do much besides giving the money to the developer. And that would be stupid because the case could have cost more and take so long that this 30k would be meaningless in the game development process. Not only that but we also don't know if the Yogs knew at the time that the guy run off. That developer himself said that he was omitting some things because he wanted to keep the project going.
At the end of the day, we know too little to judge either side properly. I'm just willing to give them a benefit of the doubt and you clearly do not.
The fact that they were the face doesn't necessarily mean they were the brain. It wasn't an RPG about their adventures or anything like that. The name was only another promotion material.
We don't know shit about how the money was spent. Yogscast is saying nothing and the developer isn't exactly reliable.
It's not that uncommon to pay for someone's work up front when the contract is about a particular artifact of work as opposed to time-based one.
If the developer was the brain of the operation and he was as incompetent as to sign such stupid contract then going after his ass would be beating a dead horse because he pissed the rest of the money anyway.
Now you are contradicting yourself be claiming that they were smart enough to come up with such complicated scam and at the same time dumb enough to think that vast majority of their fanbase would let themselves be fucked over in broad daylight. I know that fanboyism can be strong but even young people tend to care about their money. Plus it may not seem like it but fanboys are only a fraction of the fanbase.
But All-Star Racing and All-Star Racing Transformed are really good games.
Hell yes they are, but why add Yogscast... WHHHYYYYYY!!!!!!!
Sega Transformed had the strangest characters ever to be included in a "Sega Racing Game". TF2, Wreck-It-Ralph, Yogscast and Danica Patrick to name a few.
Rawpowered I could understand Wreck-It Ralph, mainly due to all the SEGA characters in that movie.
Also his truck in all stars was brought over to infinity...so there's that.
Daniel Ibbertson he was added for a charity promotion
It seems that Winterkewl wasn't planning as properly as Mojang was. Mojang took baby steps to create themselves a better game, and everyone had access to it. With the income steadily rolling in, Minecraft became the game that it is today. Winterkewl on the other hand started out way too soon, and like you said Larry, bit off way more than they could chew. Should they have taken the route that Mojang chose, their game, and company could have been saved. What were they on when they think they could handle what a AAA company could handle?
This is why I will never back a crowdfunded project. Companies who bankroll projects like this have the know-how and resources to properly vet the team's credentials and the likelihood of success. I'll leave it to the professionals to decide if a project is worthy of investment. If they can't secure funding the traditional way, maybe they don't deserve it.
Depends on what you're funding. I avoided Silicon Knights' spiritual successor to Eternal Darkness like the plague, as it looked shady as hell, but I did back Fran Bow, made by just two people, and it was incredible. They weren't able to come through with the art book perk, but they addressed that in an update and offered refunds to anyone who backed that perk.
tl;dr it may just be luck of the draw.
+Lotus Prince To be fair I haven't had any kind of bad experience like these and have backed several projects at least. One that was taking simply too long for me I got a full refund for. Eventually everyone else got their items though. I think it really can be the luck of the draw. One thing's for sure though: only back a project if you can see a working and demonstrated prototype.
MakerInMotion some projects are well worth backing though. I backed 2 projects. Both were music related. One was for new band with a singer that I really trusted to deliver, and he did. And the other was with a singer I personally know and have talked to a lot and his hew band funded a pretty decent amount of the money needed and paid the rest out of packet. The album they made was actually just release and its amazing. Plus all he stuff they are ending to the backers is making them lose a little money, but they don't care since they like their fans and can afford it. What I'm really trying to say is that a lot of stuff on kickstarter can be worth funding if you know who the people making it are at all.
You have to do your research and be smart about what you back. I've backed multiple KS campaigns like Shovel Knight, Yooka-Laylee and board games.
Good KS campaigns will highlight and show you each step and where the funding goes. Look at the scope of the project, and how many reputable names are involved (unknown indie devs and RUclipsrs are a red flag). Look for industry veterans, because a lot of them know how to manage themselves, but there are bad ones, too.
Haven't been burned yet, and you usually get the game and goodies a good deal cheaper with your backing.
Trevor A. Yeah I heard about Shovel Knight. They knew what they were doing and delivered on all promises. Good for them. Although competency isn't always a sure sign of success. You could have talented developers who just happen to have gambling addictions or a taste for cocaine and hookers. You're trusting not only in their talent, but in their moral fiber as well. There was a project to make affordable home 3D printers where the guy took all the backers' money and bought a house.
All these Yogscast apologists make me sick. These people dont give a shit about you and you'll defend even their most shitty actions. Its pathetic.
Yeah, have you been through the comments here?
To be fair there are a few misleading "facts" in this that when not properly explained sound worse than they are
Someone yeah, the video maker is biased and giving inaccurate facts to fit their narrative.
@@sanguillotine Are you going to say what you're talking about?
Expendable Indigo you’re replying to a comment that’s a year old, you really think I can remember what I was talking about?
Could you give more details? What claims are you objecting to?
@@sanguillotine Then shut the fuck up and dont make comments. You and people like you are what's wrong with comment sections.
Has Larry stopped doing his own vids?
Don't worry matey, wanted to kept this as part of a trilogy, as I normally suck at multi part videos. But there's a new Fact Hunt up on Christmas Eve :)
gettystar He's not Spoony. He still gives a shit.
Glad to hear it, Larry! And for the record, I think it's a good idea to bring on guest talent. Dan is pretty solid. Hell, if I had any talent or ideas, I'd ask to join in. :D
Larry Bundy Jr Ah cheers buddy! Glad to hear a new fact hunt is on it's way, and i meant no disrespect to you or Dan with my original comment.
Big Boss who on earth is "spoony"?
The problem with Kickstarter is that people with no business or development expertise have an idea and believe that as long as they get a shitload of money they can easily make it happen through hiring people. Even if you have 4 million dollars at your disposal, if you have no clue how to run a business or manage people/money you can easily run out without accomplishing much.
I love the video Larry! Man...the stuff I learn just blows my mind. I've been watching since "you're not very good at this, are you?" Your content just keeps getting better and better. :) Edit: This comment is also meant for Daniel, who's channel is also awesome. :P
Ha, that's well over 10 years dude! Thank you :D
So the company that fell through pointed its finger at yogscast... and thats enough for you people?.. seriously, from what he said, thats just estimations of what happened with the money, and from what many math people have said, ITS WRONG, and being avidly DENIED as not true.
So? Did yogcast ever get 150k to begin with? Or were they cheated as everyone else was? Honestly, i dont blame yogscast for not paying people back. Their just the brand name here. Itd be like if vermintide turned out bad, i wouldnt blame GW ( i blame them for AOS though ).
Btw, vermintide did not turn out bad. Thank you fat shark.
We'll probably never know.
I mean you've gotta remember the yogscast is still a company under all of this
Cody Turner though i dont think they're blameless ( i mean, they did hire idiots ), i also dont put all the blame on them ( they really couldnt have known who they hired were idiots ).
I simply doubt thee allegations against them.
I see that Yuriofwind friend.
Good taste.
He' been a friend of mine for many many moons, lovely guy IRL too!
Matt Arisato I saw that too, yuri is pretty good at the whole youtube thing
Larry you should collab with him on something
Small world
Larry Bundy Jr Yeah, I've talked with him a little bit, a few years ago. He's a really nice guy, seems like a nice guy to just sit down and chill with -- quite like you Larry. Glad you got to meet him!
The Homestuck adventure game Kickstarter campaign wasted more money than all these other games combined.
SoylentGamer But it's coming in February!!
Cai Warner But imagine just how much better it would be if the odd gentleman hadn't stolen most of the money? Also, I remember January.
SoylentGamer Yeah, you're probably right- still, hype hype hype!!
There's a Homestuck game, on kickstarter? Gee, and Prequel had a bunch of free games made in flash to keep readers occupied between updates
@@JargonMadjin Homestuck has free games in flash.
Rewatching this and I still feel really bad for Chris. A new BMW isn't worth having your life destroyed by this.
Can anyone with any knowledge of the situation tell me about all this "homophobic and transphobic" behaviour as well as whatever Sjin has done please? I've not heard of this all up until now.
Tumblr BS. Claims that were circulated within the proto-SJW circles of the time with no concrete proof, only hear-say and blind belief in it. None of these claims existed outside of Tumblr, incidentally.
Dibby D Ridgedog lost his cool and started insulting people complaining on the yogscast official forums, if I remember correctly he used various slurs to describe them. And the Sjin stuff, an underage fan claimed to have been asked for nudes by sjin/someone pretending to be Sjin, and Lewis then kind of made things worse by refusing to have it looked into. Yogscast really need to hire some good PR, because most of the controversies were caused by Lewis saying dumb stuff.
Ol' Lulu is pretty good at shoving his own foot down his throat.
Nah they don't. It's not like they're very popular now anyway.
They got huge off of that minecraft series which was admittedly brilliant. In fact its' the only "lets play" I would ever tell people to watch. Then they lost all the files and just started to make boring youtube celeb shit.
Hannah and Kim are a bit SJW more Hannah then Kim, so they might have sided against Sjin as an initial reaction then realised it was wrong. While I am not sure about Kim, I have seen Hannah on multiply occasions share stuff like statistics that are blatantly wrong. I do like Hannah, but she does get too involved with politics sometimes. I have seen her Dox a 12 year old before.
I Never pledged to yogventures but fuck man I remember back when this happened and then wondered whatever happened to it
that list of yogscast issues are just false. the yogscast are the most down to earth guys on the planet and have raised over 6 million dollars for charity. its been a bumpy road but they are the best youtubers out there!
*cough cough **_shut up kid_** cough cough*
@@de5677gm He's not wrong though. They're legitimately amazing people.
Did anyone else read the letter at the beginning and see where they put the part about "helping him to cheat on his girlfriend"? It's funny that they added that when so many people were raging that personal stuff like that isn't important when it was brought up about Zoe Quinn.
I don't know, I just find double standards funny for some reason.
And this is why I unsubscribed to them. Never looked back since.
I'm watching this in 2022 and The Yogscast haven't been relevent in years. Hearing about their kickstarter is weirdly nostalgic
Yeah, it occurred to me that I hadn't heard anything about them for a while.
They were everywhere 5 years ago, even got them as DLC in sonic all-star racing etc.
Whats the all fuss about?...Obviously people who give money to kickstarter know the deal.Why complain?..You lot obviously have money to spare.
Obvious. You use that, but I don't think you know what that means.
this might be a bad place but...
i like the yogscast...
Not really, they've done some good, some bad, the same as anybody else.
I don’t think it was there fault, it was more the devs.
Me too especially Rythian and his salt
Don't be mad he bought a BMW
Everything else in his life seems to have gone really damn horribly.
35k for an artist? 150k for yogscasts pocket?
This was incompetence.
It sounds like Kickstarter has less of a scam problem (although one does exist) and more of a creditability problem with its projects. Displaying budgets and development plans on the pages should probably be a requirement at this point, although, with some backers on the site having a poor sense of judgement and value, it would probably end up being a bandaid fix.
This is EVERY Kickstarter. They never deliver when they initially promised.
And developing a modern game is a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of work.
That's not true, we did get Shovel Knight and Undertale out of Kickstarter.
I'll grant you that's still a fraction of the amount of games (or anything really) put out on that site however occasionally you'll find people who are genuinely interested (and capable) of giving you what they promised.
lich109 well yeah, I was exaggerating
Stop funding rich people's kick starters ffs.
What difference does that make? Being "rich" doesn't mean you can afford to bankroll an entire video game on your own, dude.
Risk your own god damn money, not everyone else's.
If you aren't willing to make the investment for your own project, why should anyone else?
There are tons of projects where people genuinely don't have the money to fund them their selves.
Those deserve funding LONG before someone who can.
Microtardz Well, one, people back projects based on they want to see get made, not on who "deserves" it the most
And two, like I said, even "rich" people can't pay for development on a video game out of pocket. And even if you manage to score a bank loan to create a single video game (not likely), you're going to be paying sky-high interest rates. And unless you plan to monetize the hell out of the game, you will never pay that loan off. So is that the kind of motivation you want to see in the indie game scene? Desperate companies forced to design games around paying off their impossible debts? That's a recipe for amazing games if I've ever heard one.
That's why Kickstarter exists. To promote projects that enrich our culture but don't necessarily fit into a profitable business model. It's got nothing to do with how rich or poor the project-runners are.
Copydot
Riddle me this. If a multi-million dollar company is unwilling to put 500,000 towards the development of their own game.
*How passionate are they?*
It actually has everything to do with how rich or poor the project-runners are.
With the plethora of indie games that have been made in the spare time of developers without a single sent put towards them?
It's absolutely a game about money.
This is a story that has been told a reiterated a thousand times by now.
Learn your lesson, stop trying to defend them.
This is nothing more than a rich *COMPANY*, because that's what the yogscast has been for years, looking to make a video game to make money off of (And a studio looking to make a name for themselves), without being willing to put a fraction of their millions towards the project.
And now they've paid the price, as they should have.
Their channel has dwindled massively (And thus too, has their income), their 7 million subs mean nothing, and the kickstarter was a predictable failure.
Again, drill the lesson of crowd funding into your mind.
*Crowd funding is to be used to help people WHO CANNOT AFFORD IT, to make their project a reality*.
Those who can should put their money where their mouth is *ELSE THEY ARE NOT ACTUALLY PASSIONATE ABOUT THE PROJECT*.
Microtardz This vid is the first I've heard about Yogcast. I can't speak for them. But you act like people with a few hundred grand in the bank should be required to put themselves in the poor house to fund their passion projects instead of using tools like Kickstarter that are designed to make those project possible without destroying your personal finances. And you also make the assumption that these people aren't spending any of their own money, which is 100% not true.
Kickstarter isn't a fucking charity, dude. It's not about helping people with no money - it's about funding projects that don't fit into a mainstream business model. Maybe Yogcast wasn't passionate about their project. Maybe they just saw it as a losing proposition regardless and decided to cancel it instead of pouring their own money down the drain. I don't really care. Their Kickstarter was perfectly legitimate, and if people didn't want it they wouldn't have backed it. You sound like you've got some hangups beyond a video game not getting made.
Really great video! You should do more in depth looks at why this stuff happens.
Le Leedler plenty more to come :)
Daniel Ibbertson Yeah, I just subscribed to your personal channel, great videos so far!
Le Leedler thanks mate :)
These videos have made me insanely happy that I have never contributed a single cent to any Kickstarter, ever.
If I never made a video game before and was capitalizing on e-fame to raise money for the development of one... it'd be a visual novel with the money spent on nice art and a half competent person to make sure the flags all work right for the handful of branches in the story. Something simple and within reach for a bunch of amateurs.
This is messed up. Absolutely messed up.
Makes sense. It is about Minecraft RUclipsrs.
ChingBlingtheKing Please define "minecraft youtuber," I'm not sure I've seen a minecraft video on their channel for over a year
GGryphon they were just the guys who made minecraft cool back in the day. Before it was just all about money, commercialism, and the community was completely invaded by 8 year olds.
Do Bap Lol what community? They're losing over 1000 subscribers monthly
GGryphon They've had plenty of Minecraft videos over the past few years.
Cristy You're right, but what percentage of the videos have to be minecraft videos for a channel to be a "minecraft channel" and not a "channel that occasionally posts minecraft videos?
I got so happy when you started playing the Jazz Jackrabbit music during the video.
The best part of this video is seeing Yuriofwind and Badman Reviews make a small cameo appearance.
To be fair, they do the jingle jam every year.
I thought Sonic and Sega All Stars Transformed was a better karting game than the latest Mario Kart. Weird I know, just had more fun with it.
I fully agree, i love that game, I was just saying I don't really get why it had Yogscast DLC (yes i know its for charity, its still weird)
Gimme a streets of rage cop car with that special A button instead please!!!!
Because it was for charity and the Yogscast are huge, there you are.
Macho Fantastico
Good for you. That's the point of games. A game could have terrible graphics, annoying music and a blatantly stupid plot, but as long as it's fun it's a good game.
+Happy Hoplite isn't that what's most important?
That Patapon music made my ears bleed.
Finally someone is talking of this!!! They never spoke of it just released a statement and then ignored everything!
I just checked the Yogscast channel and they actually have FEWER subscribers than they did when you took that shot for this video.
Wow, I must admit I've not looked at their channel since this video was made, but that's shocking!
Makes me wonder what they could have done to piss people off in that time.
Mighta been when Honeydew went on his "pissbabies" rant in response to not disclosing their paid Steam Curator endorsements... or maybe that was just a small beef from me and a couple friends.
Didn't youtube have an account purge last year?
Dan, I like your videos, but a lot of the non-kickstarter accusations you make against the Yogscast crew are substantiated rumors. Some of it verges on slander.
Not accusation, facts.
Although not listed in the 10 highlighted here, an honorable mention should be given to "Hiveswap"
www.kickstarter.com/projects/14293468/homestuck-adventure-game/
Christopher Sobieniak what did hiveswap do?
It went through a change part of the way through in development and they had to throw everything out and start over.
Christopher Sobieniak it's not a failure yet though, right?
Ockap Rycckuu I suppose not yet, but people are still doubtful otherwise.
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=818780831
just got onto steam greenlight and got confirmed for a january 2017 release
I remember backing this. I had hoped to bury my ignorant younger self's terrible life choices under an ocean of whisky... Thanks Larryy Bundy Jr. for rendering my excessive alcoholism pointless by reminding me of this event.
Subscriber +1
I remembered that I really wanted this game. I still enjoy the Kickstarter trailer, & I remember seeing the beach in the beta build & wanting to dig right into it.
Losing this & then losing SkySaga was a huge blow. I think I knew how the people who waited forever for Half Life episode 3 must have felt when they finally realized it wasn't coming.
HUGE NOTE
You forgot to mention that the developer who worked on this and was a lead at WinterKewl Games ruined his life over Yogventure. He posted on the forums that he spent so much time and money on the game he was being divorced. I'm fucking serious
The video stated Chris, the person you meant, filed for divorce and used his personal money to support the failed Kickstarter project. 9:57 to 10:35
Just to point out, the yogscast gas raised one million dollars for charity in their first week of jingle jam this year, for different charities around the world as well as giving thanks to the people who donate and giving away thirty gaming realated items for those who donate more than thirty dollars. I think we can forgive them for being a little ambitious and not making ALL the correct choices when making a video game for the FIRST time. I am Dave!Yognaught and I have the respect for the Yogscast.
And? So? If they can't make a game with that kind of money in their hands then they shouldn't have tried in the first place!
Alex Williams It's not in their hands. It goes directly from Humble Bundle to the different charities.
I saw Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night on it. I'm from the future and I'm happy to announce that the game is out, and it's good!
"Even though we're under no obligation to do anything..."
Wow. Ouch to the backers.
But they aren't. That's what Kickstarter is about. the Developers have as much of an obligation to create as a Backer does to donate,
My point wasn't about whether or not they had a legal obligation (I know they don't), but more that they felt that they had to mention it to try to calm the angry storm that was building up amongst the backers who felt screwed. When you deliberately drop something like that it's PR crowd control, otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned it at all and just got to their point. I understand why they did it, but it doesn't make the situation any less messed up.
Well, I imagine it may have been a niave decision, not fully understanding how much of a shit-storm things had become and how riled up everybody was, what they said was ultimately the truth and they tried to make ammends, whilst it may seem scummy now, regarding TUG, at the time it looked promising and they couldn't have known it would go south at that point. I don't really know, it's only my two cents.
Spyrelle Phea That's fine. And you may be right. TBH none of us really know and probably never will. I personally believe they were being (at least a bit) shitty, as that's what that sentence sounded like to me, but that's just my take on it and you are also entitled to your own.
Of course, I mean, I'm not saying it wasn't a disaster but I don't see malice as I do just overambition and the best attempt at crowd control you can muster, you take care.
Another amazing video. You two are like my video game dream-team. Great to see you bolstering Ol' Slopey. Whilst I immediately pointed out on his channel that the opening track is from Zool CD32, I forgot to add that the entertainment is strong with this vid. Keep 'em coming guys :)
An important note, people only mention the one Lucas hire. But all were given upfront money contracts, with no guarantees, and they were all just artists. Who knows if they created their money's worth. The only programmer was the winterkewl owner. It is an embarrassment. The fact Lewis tries to skirt responsibility is the issue. They could still do something. Hire another team, turn it into opensource for the fans. Lewis is also at fault, hire a guy with no apparent experience in making a game.
To be honest, I totally forgot Yogventures was a thing.
Honestly I felt Double Fine handled Broken Age way worse though it did eventually come out. Their original asking price was $400k to be delivered Oct 2012 and raised $3.3million ran out of money despite shattering the goal and had to get more funding, released it in two parts, and the full game wasn't released till April 2015.
Both games had the same issue, mis management of time and money with feature creep. Yes the game eventually came out but what is worse asking for $400,000 making more then 10x the amount asked between kickstarter, "Slacker Backers" and Steam EA fund, and still running out of money needing to ask for more and releasing nearly 3 years late due to promising more and more features, or asking for $250k, only getting double that and also running into feature creep without the name of "Double Fine" to have people throw more money at the project... yes since then Double Fines credibility went from "man this game will be great and I trust this company enough to buy a pre alpha version" to "I'll wait till the game is out they have pulled way to many sketchy things for me to give them money early like Spacebase DF-9".
At least Double Fine did eventually release Broken Age unlike Spacebase DF-9, but still that campaign was a great way to ruin DFs trust and would definitely be on a list of Worst Kickstarter campaigns that blew out their target goal but nearly still never saw the light of day.
depends, what systems was Broken Age on?
Love the Kickstarter Saga. Cant get enough of these videos.
Don't worry, we'll be back in the future with more nominees! :)
Thank You! Great to hear that.
I seriously don't have a clue why your videos don't get 10x more views and not 10million subs, for sure you are in the top 5 best RUclips channels
I agree with this :D
I remember the first video yogscast did for this, and my initial thought was:
This is a youtube channel trying to make a game...how could this possibly succeed.
Now if they got someone with actual experience involved, then it might succeed, but then they likely wouldn't need the money too. There simply wasn't any aspect of this kickstarter that gave me confidence that it would succeed, and right from day 1 I expected it to fail.
merinsan It wasn't them? It was Winterkewl...
The title reminds me of H.P. Lovecraft's Yog-Sothoth. That'd be a cool game: Yogventures of Yog-Sothoth.