What killed my interest in RT was the distinct shift around 2015 where it went from friends playing games and making content, to a soulless corporation churning out content for the sake of content. It went from feeling like I was in the room watching some friends playing games and making jokes, to a company making things that tried to appeal to the largest amount of people while making it a chore to watch.
@@abbierouse5713 He even admitted it on his early days of independent streams that the main reason why he gave up is that he was sick of only playing games he was scheduled to do. He wanted to try different content at his pace and not being bound by a contract. Worked well for him, his fans still watch him on Twitch and he's doing quite good with his girl and his friends.
Actually sad and upsetting that of all the founders, Geoff is the only one that misses being just friends with the rest; that success went too far up their heads. Like seriously, damn.
@@kiethveseyofficial woke can work if it is done constructively and with purpose, if it is being done for the sake of it and purely for clickbait views…it is undermining everything and does no one no favors and will not stand the test of time It’ll become what every content creator fears…cringe
@@IronMan3582 no. It’s always get woke go broke. When you have an international audience you don’t fill it with americas problem. We don’t care about america. We came for content, not a lecture
That "I don't miss it" comment was unnecessary. If he wanted to make a joke about it, he could have said something like "can we have the room clean this time?" By the way he said that, it sounded like he doesn't miss the time they spent together playing games.
@@TwilightWolf032 It’s unfortunate but I think he meant what he said. Like him or not, Gus is a legit dick and people are definitely not his favorite thing.
I don't know what's worse. The fact that RoosterTeeth went from being such a community stand point to the absolute train wreck it is today, or the fact that they're more than happy to throw Geoff out into the public eye every time as a scapegoat to cover their fuck ups.
Geoff deserves better. Yes he was an alcoholic asshole in the beginning. But he turned his life around drastically. He doesn't deserve to be the target for all the companies problems.
@@matthewdaub I've said this before but they literally treat him like the sad alcoholic uncle of the company. Every time they fuck up it's "Quick, get Geoff emotional and put him in front of the camera so we can nip this in the bud." It's such a horrible thing and if he hasn't already (Haven't watched RT or AH in years) he should pack up and leave to start somewhere fresh. Only the truly deluded like Jack actually believe the company is worth anything anymore.
@@N7Beowulfhe pretty much only does one podcast with Gavin and Andrew Panton. He seems to enjoy it. He deserves to create something with his friends instead of being forced to do tiktok shit with achievement hunter.
Personally, I think Geoff feels responsible for the company so he takes it on himself to address issues and try to be honest. Which is so depressing, bc it certainly feels like hes the only one trying.
I think a big problem with Rooster Teeth and it's various channels is that they were heavily personality driven where the appeal was the people in those groups and the dynamic they had. When those personalities inevitably moved on to other things, the content just wasn’t the same with less/ different peolple and the audience felt that and started leaving too.
@@zacharylinzmeyer2113 Sucks that they ended as none of them are nearly as good on their own imo. But yeah it would've been far worse to keep it going.
The parts about Geoff almost had me in tears he truly just seemed like a guy who was content with making decent money and having fun with his friends while making funny content however sadly that's the nature of businesses that get this big this fast when noone really has a strong business sense.
The thing is, Geoff was not wrong, look at a group like the Sidemen who have been enduring the test of time, they are gigantic in their own right, have other businesses but they are able to keep growing because they remain loyal to the soul of their content, that being the comrodarie between a group of friends. That's what made early RT succesful, that's what made the Lets Play channel succesful, that is the thing television just cannot emulate.
That point where he was talking about his wife being absent, going to bed lonely and having no joy, or motivation to enjoy himself after his daughter went to bed was something many men feel but don't talk about for exactly what is shown here; He's actively telling his friends and colleagues that he's depressed, struggling and probably knows his life is falling apart. What do they do? They laugh and mock him. He puts on a brave face, but that is absolutely disgusting from people who are meant to care about him.
This video is the embodiment of the “last online 10 years ago” meme. I feel so much nostalgia from watching the early roosterteeth days, but it slowly fades into sadness and depression as I get closer and closer to the present situation with RT. With Geoff being one of the last OG members left I can only hope that one day he’ll have the strength to eventually leave himself and live a happier life outside of RT.
i feel its not embodiment but similiar, its more like the friend you played with 10 years ago renamed themselves and became successful, and while you try to reminisce and say you missed those days, they just say they dont missed it and they hate it when they are not famous
@@cbbblue8348 When an old friend of yours becomes a big-time streamer and no longer bothers to look at your messages because he only sees you as another fan now.
"Their company disbanding seems more and more inevitable with each coming day." And less than 2 years later, Warner Bros Discovery announced that they're shutting Rooster Teeth down, and selling off their shows and networks, after failing to sell the company. I would've guessed they would've lasted at least 5 more years after this video, so this came to a shock even to me.
Hey it’s Craig from ScrewAttack. I see the top comment is about the ScrewAttack/RT relationship - very flattering as ScrewAttack is often a forgotten piece of the online video space. Joon, if you ever want to know more about it - or more about what I heard and saw while I was with RT I’m more than willing to share. Hope to hear from you 👍
Geoff deserved better. The man was always a genuine, heartwarming soul who wanted nothing more than to make jokes and make people smile. His Let's Play Minecraft challenges with Jack, Ray, Michael, and Gavin were my childhood. It disgusts me to think that people would make that Griffin joke to someone who didn't have a bad bone in his body whatsoever. No matter what happens with Rooster Teeth, I genuinely hope Geoff finds some happiness in his endeavors. Man truly deserves it.
Tbf, I never liked Griffin. Let's be real - she was a terrible wife. She was some career woman and tomboy, it was clear their relationship had almost no romance and the mutual agreement to divorce was really just inevitable. There was no sacrifice in that relationship. Griffin wanted to do more professionally, so she straight up just abandons a great dude. I believe that Geoff would be better off if not for the divorce. I don't think that his daughter loves him that much either. It's clear she is being molded by her mother.
@@imtired927 Did you watch the video? That story was explained, and there was no misconduct on Geoff’s end. Geoff and Griffin had an open relationship and Geoff had been flirting with a fan, but when it started getting more serious he felt weird about the power imbalance and decided to not go through with it. Then the fan went out and accused him of cheating on his wife with her.
Roosterteeth died in phases. The first phase is when Monty died and the lead creative force behind the whole company was suddenly gone. The next phase was getting the idea that big budget = better and trying to bloat every single show they have with unneeded spectacle to mask the lack of content. Then the new people in charge felt they could do no wrong and often attacked fans with often valid criticism and dismissed them as haters that didn't get their vision. The final nail was Nickle and dime'ing their fanbase with confusing paywalls and subscriptions for previously free content as a way to stop bleeding money. This leads to today, where Roosterteeth is anemic at best and will likely be shuttered by Sony in a few years.
That who big=better there was a podcast with bernie where he talked about how expansion and bigger budgets was all Otter medias idea. Those big executives got all the profits from expansion. And RT was left to die
There's so much truth in this, it's crazy. I remember how Miles and Kerry would go on tirades about "toxic fans" that just had some simple, logical questions about the show, or Barb yelling at fans at cons for the same stuff. (The whole "iT's A cArToOn!!!" bit). Like, they've said said a lot before that they were trying to present a detailed story with a really well thought out narrative, but then when fans have actual, logical questions about things, they tell those fans to shut the hell up and be happy with what they're given. It's really sad, as with the right people behind them, a lot of RT's content could have been so much more.
geoff honestly comes off as such a nice guy after watching this. Seems like he'd be such a fun guy to just talk to. i almost wanna just give him a hug from half these clips tho :( i miss the 2010 era of RT so much sometimes.
You know what? That is fair. Geoff is nice in that regard. But on some level, I think he has a stake in this. He's not blameless, but he might be better off than most of them.
@@nickthepick8043 Oh definitely, and I think that’s why in these clips he is so distraught. He knows a lot of this is his responsibility, things that he could’ve prevented. Obviously there are many things that were out of his control, like being acquired, Monty Oum’s passing, and the Ryan fiasco, but those do not make up all of the reasons why Rooster Teeth is in the place it is today. Nevertheless, he persists to hold his baby (company) afloat, and that is very commendable.
@@SmoothTurtle840 Fair enough. I'm just looking back on the time when he addressed the layoffs. Clearly, he was being genuine, and I can feel for him, but when he started talking about the "Haters" it made me lose respect for him in that moment. Because it just came off as deflection. But I'll say this, in contrast to his other colleagues, former or otherwise, he is one of the few with a huge amount of self-awareness. Something they lack. Ask anyone, and they'd tell you that they'd prefer people with admitting their uncertainty with humility in regards to criticism, instead of the opposite of those characteristics.
I remember listening to an old Dude Soup episode around the time Geoff was about to take his sabbatical, and Bruce brought up the that he and Geoff had a heart to heart after RTX but kept it very vague what they talked about. Not too long later, Bruce leaves Funhaus and RT downsized.
Geoff is the only one that didn't let the fame go to his head to the same level the rest did, he seems to genuinely miss the old days when they were starting out and their job was basically just hanging out with friends
this video really made me feel for Geoff. Hearing him talk about how he misses his friends and all the personal problems he was no doubt going through while involved with the company is really heartbreaking.
@@mccovalova oh no i make lil videos with game characters and have some characters in a pic i made a decade ago ahhh i better sit down in front of a camera and start crying over a kid thats not mine and blm or tell depressing stories of having no desire in life to do anything but turn on cnn on a shitty laptop and fall asleep or a be a drunk for 40 years honestly if me making stupid videos on youtube will be the saddest thing in my life im happy with that
@@1ztype343 ya like make money playing and recording games and got lucky doing it at the time when most game/movie companies took your content down for using assets have a kid that dislikes him, have a wife who cheated on him with anything that moves, got pegged by said wife, drunkard for 40 years, breaks down crying at the dumbest shit, go to sleep depressed every night watching cnn, cant even remember half his life from the drinking. the dude made a company playing video games most successful youtubers do that hes not some hero, i used to like geoff a lot when i watched achievement hunter in the golden years hes just become such a sad sad man on camera since than and notice unlike geoff i wont make a video crying about wanting to come beat you up lol
Seeing Geoff as a kid and growing up watching them all it hit me so hard seeing him plead out loud through the veil of humor his sadness. I didn’t understand it because I myself didn’t understand mental health and drank to combat my sadness. Geoff’s cry for help urged me to get help and reevaluate who I kept close. Thank you for the video it brought back a lot of bittersweet memories but has made me who I am today. People like Geoff just need someone to hear him not just listen.
Except constantly crying about it in a video for everyone to see isnt really helpful to his mental state. It reeks of being addicted to a "Pity Party". He wont improve as long as he is online
I always thought Geoff was the tough guy of the AH crew. Turns out I was wrong. If there's one thing I've learned from years of working around nothing but guys, it's that you either have a thick skin, or you grow one quick. The constant insults, the crude humor. I wish guys could learn to show a little more respect for each other, but that's just not going to happen.
@@BudMasta It's like the scary movie you can't watch, but I scroll to comments to know what to expect about the video and if I really want to watch it.
@@mechanomics2649 who's mad? Can you imagine the internet where everyone just said "i agree" or even worse reddismisms like "THIS^" to everything everyone else said? Every post and comment would be unreadable. Commenting a quote from the video EVERYONE JUST WATCHED definetely comes off as tism behavior.
I feel so fucking bad for Geoff man. You can hear the absolute pain in his voice through so many different clips. This company was this man's entire life he so obviously put every bit of his soul into it and that panel where he said he missed just being in a room with the original group, you can tell the thing he missed most was his friends. He just wanted to have his old friend group back, he obviously didn't care that it was this big successful thing at that time because money can't replace people, money can't put things to how they used to be when the company had started and it was still what it was meant to be. Friends getting together and enjoying games together. I really hope that things get better for the guy going forward cuz I had to pause the vid a few times when Geoff is like that, especially when the layoffs happened and all those people lost jobs, the dude is on the verge of tears the entire time and it just hurts so much to hear that coming from what I always felt was the funniest dude in the company.
I honestly think that the whole thing has just been awful for him- I think the difference between him and the others is that they felt stable enough in life outside of the company to move on, whilst's Geoff's life outside the company hasn't gone great, so it's sort of the thing he's still keeping doing because it is stable and reminds him of better times.
@@frogfinance4605 You're going to have to explain that one to me, I looked it up and the only potential thing I can find are some "leaked clips" on only fans and god only know I'm not paying to watch shit like that.
To this day "Brownman has left the game" is the saddest thing I've ever read, he went to do what he wanted, which is cool, but I'll always miss the dynamic of the era
@@christopherrapczynski204 I experienced BOTH Ray's was more instant where SBF made me go "oh sure ok they'll release the rest of the LP's and then quit" When in fact that was not the case they'll stop on the spot where they left off "right there" which was build up to a horrid gut feeling. They both hit the same for me but the rate of getting there was different.
@@Sonicfalcon16 Hey at least Woolie and Pat came back together for DMCV. What sucks is it likely won't happen for DMC6 since they live on opposite sides of the country now.
Geoff always felt like a tragic character in this story, and you capture that really well in this video. He was roped into this whole thing because he wanted to do something fun with his friends, and it grew out of control. He didn't even realize it had ruined his life until it was too late. Not to say he's a perfect cinnamon bun, he definitely contributed heavily to his tragedy, but that doesn't make it less tragic.
He facilitated the toxic environment at RT and covered Haywood's misdeeds up for years. He deserves everything he's gotten. Especially when you consider how he behaved during the #kickvic drama. Karma's a bitch.
The less Burnie ran things, the more downhill it went IMO. I know he himself chose to more into more of a creative role, but I think his guiding vision was so important in making the RT I loved. Now that he's gone they're completely unrecognizable.
Yeah I could not agree more with this. Burnie was the creative force behind the company. As the company very quickly grew beyond his control you could see things unravel. It's extremely sad.
I feel like out of the original founding fathers, Geoff, Burnie, and whether you like him or not, Joel, were probably the most key. Each of these people had different talents; Burnie had the vision and the foresight, he knew what needed to be done to make RT what he wanted it to be, and knew who to ask when he was in the dark. He scouted out talent, sought out opportunities, and exploited them to immense success despite his peers' doubts. His general intelligence, competence, and realistic understanding of his own abilities and limitations made him the best CEO RT ever had. Geoff seemed to have the strongest connection to the community and to the social aspect of the company; always the most emotionally sensitive member of the 5, he was never afraid to get personal, to tell personal anecdotes and to speak from the heart, and his decision to create Achievement Hunter, despite the negative consequences it had for his older friendships, was one of the best decisions in the history of the company. AH was really the face of daily RT for many people, especially the RUclips community, where they got most of their views. Fostering a group of talented, funny people with great onscreen chemistry and genuine offscreen friendships as THE premier group to see the RT community more often than any other department, a fact than holds true even in these waning days, was a stroke of genius. And Joel, for all of his spicy hot-takes, seemed like the most financially savvy person in the 5, if not the whole company. Securing a series of brand deals, sponsorships, and making more than a handful of shrewd investment decisions behind the scenes formed a stiff backbone to an otherwise back-breaking expansion that no-doubt played a key role in keeping RT alive as long as it did. And all of them are smart as hell, no doubt about it. Burnie was the president of a successful and growing company at the time he quit RT. He literally was the last person to quit his old job, not because he was scared, or because he doubted the success of RT, but because he just was just so happy and fulfilled with his crazy successful and lucrative day job. I bet anything he took a pay hit at first when he went to RT full time. Joel managed to keep up a career in acting in LA despite never landing a major role; with bit parts and extra roles alone, Joel managed to stay in the gray in LA for the better part of a decade before joining RT, and as mentioned before, his financial savvy was probably very important to early-to-mid RT. He claims he helped bring in 10s of millions of dollars for RT during his career and honestly, I don't doubt it. And according to an anecdote by Burnie, when Geoff Ramsey joined One Support, he was coming in as an inexperienced, uneducated army vet, making 8 bucks an hour, and he already had plans to buy a house for a minimal down payment, with nothing to back it up but his crappy wage and his veteran benefits. And he made it work. 'Nuff said. Matt, to me, always seemed like kind of a weaker Burnie; similar skill set, but outshined in every category; not as sharp, ambitious, or visionary. He always seemed like he was trying to emulate the success of others, as opposed to Burnie who always envisioned creating his own platform and finding his own path to success, even if that meant treading unknown waters. And Gus, as much as I like him, if any of the founding fathers was just along for the ride, it was probably him. He serves as an entertaining host and relatively likable unscripted, but he never struct me as having the genuine talent or foresight that the other did. He always seemed like he was kind of just banking on RT being successful forever, or else he'd be done for.
While I agree, I do think that his ambition for RT to keep going higher and higher but in reality not having enough resources or the talent too ultimately would have catched up to him as well. The main reason they sold in the first place was so they could do more expensive and bigger reaching projects, so it would have happened with him or without him in charge. While in reality they should have just grounded in their niche they had and expand within that but instead they got to close to the sun and burned.
@@ratch58 i saw this coming when they started always boasting about how RT is now a "corporate company" and they were always like.. weirdly proud about having to have all these meetings w/ ppl they don't know and just.. ehhhh. True shame. I miss the peak RT days, there was so much amazing content coming out consistently for quite a long time
God, my big red flag was when they kept buying up these mildly successful youtube channels by the pound, then those channels either collapsing, rebranding, or being absorbed into some other channel within two years. FunHaus saw moderate success, but definitely suffered a loss of major staff in a quick period.
Funhaus stabilized after that. They lost what, 2-3 supporting people fast. But Adam, James, Elyse, Bruce and Lawrence held down the fort for years after that
I was a huge inside gaming, then a funhaus fan, but I stopped watching funhaus regularly after Bruce left, then I stopped completely within a couple months after. I also fizzled out from watching AH after ray left. I tried to watch rwby on their app during season 4 or 5, but it was so buggy that I had to stop watching it since I didn’t want to pay a membership fee to a platform that was so unreliable.
There was just this point a few years back watching Achivement Hunter where I suddenly stopped feeling like I was watching a real group of normal guys sat in a room having fun playing video games together, and was instead watching a group of employees being paid large amounts of money to sit in a room and act like they were having fun playing video games together, and I could never really get back into it after that point. It lost that organic feeling and I just felt like I had nothing in common with these guys anymore
That's a good way to put it, I miss the true anger they would feel. It made those moments they would joke way better. Because your right they used to be a group of friends. Now they are all just co workers. I think after they entire ryan thing I just couldn't watch anymore his banter with the group was the last bit of glue
For me it was whenever they moved into that aircraft hanger. The second they moved out of that one office for me it started to lose a lot of magic. Then with Ray leaving was the mail in the coffin for me
It kind of reminds me of Top Gear. When Jeremy Clarkson got into a fight with someone on BBC and was fired, Richmond and James Top Gear with him because they were genuine friends with each other. BBC tried to keep Top Gear on life support by replacing them with other celebrities that didn't really know each other that well and it showed, they didn't mess with each other as the original trio did, the banter wasn't real, neither were the reactions to the banter, the new Top Gear crew were just strangers acting like friends. Most Top Gear fans just moved on to The Grand Tour which the original trio started because their chemistry was real and infectious, you can't replicate that.
It wasn't this past series of Minecraft YDYD, but the previous one where Matt had an aviary and Geoff, Michael, Lindsay, Jack, Trevor, Gavin, and Fredo were all there as well. The first few episodes were so pure, everyone was having a good time playing with one another that they didn't enforce the YDYD rule for at least the entire first episode (and if I remember right, they just gave everyone three lives when they officially started playing YDYD to give one another more time to play together). It felt like such a solid throwback and everyone (especially Geoff) acknowledged it straight up, that it just felt like old times. And it really did. The chemistry lit back up despite it being dormant for, by that point, years. Never forgot that series, at least until it spilled into the Achievement world mini-games and such, slowly moving back into this new direction.
@@Undying3001 not gon lie. As a black man, that shit annoyed me how she was going on her shit. Especially when she said she was ashamed for being black at times. Idc how bad and or crazy shit gets or how medias/ social media paints my people. I’ll be damned to say that shit. Then goes onto other fem victimized splainin. Nah
@@Undying3001 He cried because he could no longer pretend that the community wasn't hurting him. He knows what it's like to have a wall built up for years come crumbling down.
Geoff is probably the only creator left at RT where if he left, I'd still follow him. Dude's not perfect. But he seems like one of the few people who went into RT for all the right reasons. Everybody else seems to have started for the right reasons, before eventually losing their way somehow. No matter what happens with RT, I really hope Geoff reaches happiness.
I feel the same about Lawrence, Bruce and recently Matt Bragg. While Matt was fired, seeing all three of them, along with Ray, manage to stay afloat by streaming and other ventures, without the need for RT, warms my heart.
I don’t want Rooster Teeth to burn, never wanted them to fail. At a certain point they moved away from being a bunch of friends hanging out to trying to out-do RUclips, netflix, Amazon. It’s not what kept me engaged the years before. They changed, and a lot of people didn’t think for the better. I just hope in the years to come, things get better, they return to being a place of comfort, a haven for the misunderstood nerds who like cool weird things.
It's basically just a history of friendship podcast but listening to ANMA is probably one of the best things I've listened to from RoosterTeeth in ages. Geoff and Gus just chatting about Austin + their stories around places is great to me. But damn I wish I could have old RT Podcast + Off Topic, etc. Before the pandemic I started to drift away, but the content just got stale really quick, it feels like they went for their own trends etc to chase views. Really sucks.
They got woke, they went broke... That was the nail in the coffin. They kept bringing on what basically amounted to diversity hires, who were great doing their own content, but didn't fit with everything RT were doing, and yet RT tried to force them into everything anyway, which just brought all the content down a fair bit. There was the coloured chick they brought on who was actually really cool and fun doing her own stuff and content she cared about, but when they kept trying to force her into the Minecraft stuff which she clearly hated, and she would spend the ENTIRE VIDEO MOANING, COMPLAINING, AND SAYING IT WAS STUPID, it just ruined the whole thing. The infamous Minecraft Assault Course 2.0 video was probably the breaking point for a lot of people. it's a shame how a company that used to just be some nerds having fun, tried to pander to the woke crowd and so ended up getting devoured by them, because as we all know, you can never be woke enough and there will ALWAYS be those in the far left who have a problem with something. It sucked ALL the joy out of RT and AH, and just killed the escapism aspect when the agenda stuff started getting SO HEAVILY shoved into the content. Diversity hires are fine, but LET THEM DO THE CONTENT THEY'RE GOOD AT! Hiring a black person for the sake of saying you have a black person, then trying to shove them into EVERY PIECE OF CONTENT is not only blatant tokenism, but just built resentment towards the person in question. I remember she got so much hate after that minecraft assault course video and it wasn't her fault. She didn't want to do it, she didn't want to be there, but they made her and it sucked. The fans hating on her for that were way out of line and i hope she went on to better things because RT treated her so badly especially early on. Idk if she's still there or not, but i hope not. She seemed like a genuinely cool person (sorry i can't remember her name it's been like half a decade since i watched RT/AH stuff now so my memory is not great).
@@Calv_ I personally feel the podcast is better again now that they're in studio. I love Brian when he comes on too, he brings in that old man energy too Lol
I see a lot of well-deserved talk about Geoff, but I've always had a soft spot for Gavin & Michael. I found Rooster Teeth through the Rage Quit videos and their dynamic was always so fun.
Same. Rage Quit No Luca No was the very first video I watched. Got hooked ever since. I hate what happened to the people affected by Ryan, but ever since he was fired from the company, AH hadn't been the same.
@@prosklystios imho everything started going downhill once ray left, and then went even further to shit when everything that happened with Ryan came out and he was fired.
@@purplewolfranger22 I don't think it went that badly down hill after Ray left. Everyone is stuck hard on somehow him having been the big thing that held them all together or that he carried everything. Ray was funny sure, but he wasn't ungodly funny or entertaining. I wasn't the slightest bit upset when he left and enjoyed Jeremy when he came into the group. I think it started to actually really fall when Monty died, and then the shit with Ryan came out and it's just been worse.
@@snyperwulffgaming9575 the 6 guys with Ray was just a better mesh imo. And a lot of people's. Jeremy is fine but AH with Ray was the golden age. Him leaving was a huge blow.
@@snyperwulffgaming9575 It was less him leaving that signaled the eventual downside but more WHY he left. He jokes about it all the time on his stream, how if he had stayed he be recording episode 1,000,000 of Minecraft. He left because the content was starting to seriously become… derivative, I guess? That’s probably not the word I’m looking for. It was the start of the business going corporate in mentality. Same shit, different day.
Being a Rooster Teeth fan around 2010-2014 was such a pleasure.. I can't remember the point exactly when I drifted away from it as a fan.. but I can remember how much I loved the content in those earlier days with Burnie, Geoff, Gus and co.. I remember getting off work late at my shitty student summer job and looking so forward to watching RT when I got home. This was super interesting, especially to see what happened after, but also sad - and disappointing - in the end. Geoff especially tugs at my heartstrings. :(
@@jamesjiao Personally for me, I just think it was after Ray left that kind of was the final straw. Change in the formula was always making RT somewhat harder to watch, and 2015 was not a good year with both Monty's passing and Ray's leaving along with two people who just weren't Ray coming in to "fill the void", for me the corporate side of RT was starting to become more apparent around that time.
As a kid I would have given my left leg to work at rooster teeth, now you couldn't pay me three salaries to work there. It's gut wrenching to see how much everything has changed in ever single way. Atleast ray and Gavin's channels are still making great content.
I know I fell out of rooster teeth but reading through these comments it seems a lot of us did around the same time. I don’t like to dunk on the new crew bc people and companies grow and change (and I like them all, mostly) but the dynamic was so different. On the old crew it seemed like there was always someone to be the straight man, on the new crew everyone wants to deliver the punchline. The joke never lands bc everyone tries to one up the joke and it goes on and gets louder, it gets exhausting.
This is honestly the reason I stopped watching ah. The old crew would have times when some of them wouldn't talk and others would be doing funny, there were moments of "silence". Now everyone is talking and screaming all the time and you can never stop and catch a break.
Yes, same, it was interesting to read these comments and find old fans who left around the same time I did (there was not a specific moment or bad feelings, I just kind of disconnected from the content at some point there). I'm sure new fans emerged around that time, but I think there was definitely a switch flipped around 2015
I joined the site in ‘05, before season 3 of RVB. I watched the shows evolution, the crews evolution, the contents evolution, the sites evolution, and more and more it became less about the community. There were so many new shows and podcasts and the site became new crew or cast member I had never heard of pushing new shows I didn’t care about and the community aspect just became harder to be involved with. The podcast became overly produced, more complicated than it needed to be. When it became regularly live streamed with a set and production staff and stage hands and a control room and the personalities went up to eleven it all started to feel performative. The drunk tank years of the podcast, with the revolving shitty songs but mostly consistent cast (Burnie, Gus, Geoff, Joel, and…ugh, Jack or Matt), it felt like a peek into the breakroom for an hour of just these guys we liked talking about stuff we’re interested in. Then as the company became more successful, it was homes in LA, owning Teslas, flying first class internationally to cons where people waited hours for their autographs, like fuck off. Burnie was the only thing keeping me on the podcast and when he finally left the it I never listened to a new episode. I still listen to the old episodes(200 and under usually) consistently. RVB became so convoluted, it should’ve ended after season 5, should’ve ended after season 8, but 10 was really where I was done with it. When they moved into filming in Halo 4 and dealing with the federalists and Locust or whatever I just couldn’t keep with the nonsense.
R.I.P Roosterteeth. Thanks for all the years of laughs and happiness that you guys brought us during our time growing up. Roosterteeth may die, but it will never be forgotten.
@@johnynoway9127 Except that has nothing to do with unknowingly being wildly allergic to a local anaesthetic and nobody having an EpiPen or similar nearby.
as someone who only saw like 3 RT videos back in the day i thought it was a spin on the phrase "like hen's teeth" which describes somethings extreme rarity.
God I remember watching that podcast where Geoff was talking about Millie and being lonely. When I was younger I chuckled like everyone else at the table but now being a veteran having battled my own loneliness, I feel horrible for not recognizing that he was essentially screaming for help. I fell off rooster teeth/ AH awhile ago, I hope he is doing better.
Uh, no disrespect, but if he was "screaming for help", why didn't he outright say so? I'll never understand that weird beating around the bush/posturing that people do.
@@mrreyes5004 Are you one of the lizard people i've been heard about? It's hard being vunerable, especially in front of possibly hundreds of thousands of people.
@@mrreyes5004Great question, I can only speak to my experience and trauma from the military, and I am gonna go out on a limb and say that Geoff has similar aspects. I am not saying his military service created trauma but in order to get service members to do really shitty jobs the army instills some very good methods of denial when it comes to recognition of stress, weakness and PTSD. This is not a bad thing the army does, it needs soldiers to embrace the suck to get the job done for lack of a better term. The downside to that means that when soldiers or veterans need help they do not get/ ask for it, it’s a sign of weakness or we don’t wanna even admit we have issues do to the culture that was instilled in us. I along with many other veterans where and still am terrified to address our issues because of army culture/ indoctrination. Now add to the fact that Geoff was apart of the culture as well as being in a society that did not really except mental health issues until recently (even more so for males until very recently) and is a public figure. That a bad combo for for admitting issues let alone addressing them.
hello to everyone who came back to this video for no particular reason and there was definitely not a notable event that happened yesterday or anything
I don't remember when Burnie said it, but he said something along the lines of "you shouldn't strive to work at RT, you should want to build your own RT" I grew up wanting to work there more than anything, but Im glad I heard that advice early on. You never know how things will change, companies, peoples, etc.
You can always leave a company though. It's like when people were first laid off at Game Informer and then Ben Hanson left to form MinnMax with other editors. He got to do both, which is why I never fully understood the quote from Burnie all these years.
I will always care for Geoff way more than the other members. The way he always seems to actually care when something goes down with the company, He always the one that seems to put his true feelings or concerns out. Especially when he breaks down it kills me alil cuz I feel like hes put so much of himself into the company. Its just sad seeing him having to waste more of himself on a company that doesnt really seem to care.
Geoff seems like the last heart of the company, for better and worse. I just want him to be happy, because this company not only brought him some of his highest highs, but it seems to have etched some permanent lows.
He's such a silly, fun dude most of the time so it's really jarring seeing him get real like that. He gets genuine now and then but to see him break down like that was something else. It's always upsetting to see such fun guy get beaten down by life like that and I wish nothing short of the best for him.
@@chickencurry420 being like 15 at the time watching my hero cry over being a failure when all I ever did was look up to him broke my heart more than once and still does any time I see the clips. Geoff is and always will be a treasure, no matter what he does. The golden days are long gone and I don't think any new hot trend will ever replace the dawn of Let's Plays and the explosion of internet personalities. I was lucky to grow up in its prime
@@ruralgoblin I'm with you! So grateful to have come of age in the golden age of the internet. Before influencers and celebrity culture came in and laid waste to what was the best time to be consuming online media.
People who didn't grow up with the 2009-2014 era of RUclips will never understand how crazy and new and awesome things were. As stupid as it might sound, Rooster Teeth was pretty much the MTV of the early 2010s. Popular internet personas, tons of skit shows and news segments series, AHWU, The Know, RT Animated Adventures, LETS PLAYS. It was awesome, and I miss those years often. My heart will always go out to Geoff, Jack, Gus, Burns and any of the core AH members. They're all too good for what the internet and rooster teeth have become. 2012 era AH is a relic of a time where there were no internet politics, where you couldn't be policed by big business and people were experimenting and constantly expanding on a platform that had incredible potential. They were all abused by a system they revolutionized. It's a goddamn tragedy.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 you're the only one whining about it. Simply mentioning and being negative are completely different. Plenty of people don't go to a entertainment video to hear people preach about politics cope
@@rushpatriot2866 Exactly what I think. I think most people use media (like youtube and gaming) as an escape from reality, so why should we be dragged back into it?
I remember when Bungie added Grifball as an actual game mode in halo reach, it was so awesome to see. It really is sad that that whole era of gaming/entertainment is dead and gone… only to be replaced by soullessness
@@Jay_Rainstorm I hope someday in the future Geoff uploads a video where its just him, Jack, Michael, Gavin, and Ray playing minecraft doing fuck all with shitty microphones, shitty capture cards, and last gen consoles, on a small ass cramped room.
I'm not sure how long ago you stopped watching RT but he thankfully genuinely seems to be doing better! He's continued staying sober, he recently got a new girlfriend after his divorce from griffin, he's lost and kept off a bunch of weight, he's super big into bicycling, both for exercise and as a way to spend time with Miley :), and he started a new podcast with Gavin called F***Face (f*** face) in which he seems as energetic and excited as he did a decade ago. I'm so genuinely happy for him, if anything tragic were to ever happen to him I'd be devastated, he's honestly like a dad I never had.
@@sirajjiwani128 I stopped around 2014 but I'm glad to hear he's doing well. Honestly even the divorce surprised me, didn't know about it till I watched this vid.
His life is going great by the sound of it. I listen to Fuckface (His and Gavin's podcast) regularly and it seems like his life is going just how he wants it to, and he's having a lot of fun with it. Plus I recommend anyone who likes the "old" RT/Achievement Hunter vibes listen to that podcast, it's great.
The fact they not only completely changed Screwattack into Death Battle, but also nuked the entire catalogue of non Death Battle videos still pisses me off. A decade worth of gamer media destroyed to make it easier for nerds to see if Goku could fuck Twilight Sparkle up in a fight.
Death battle is literally shit too. From animation quality to inaccuracies, it fucking sucks. Og screwattack was had so many good videos and I wish I downloaded the videos.
THANK YOU. I feel like no one ever talks about how they killed off screwattack, and as a big fan throughout middleschool and highschool , its definitely what soured me on RT as a whole. Even before all the different shit went down.
@@MingeBorea animation quality is hit or miss. They did wonderful with raiden vs excalibur as well as thor vs sun wukong being unique to count recently. It all just depends on what your going for.
The death of Monty and RT's inability to end the series that he had put literally everything he had into was the last straw for me. The man came in, made on of the HYPEST series at the time, literally breaking the internet with his TRAILERS, and RT seemed so hungry to keep milking that cow rather then accepting that it would never ammount to being the true passion project Monty intended it to be.
Dang. Seeing the old videos of them just hanging out is depressing. Seeing a bunch of friends with a dream turn into a corporate was sad, but to be expected.
Honestly i wish if RoosterTeeth were gonna down this bad, i think they should make a heart felt video that ends their reputation in a bang or a good ending instead of the dwindling decline.
@@RickySama240 once RWBY starts to get really bad in terms of reception and money I think they will have to shut down. They still have their huge studio and large number of employees not to mention the expensive equipment they use. I think all of the money they made in prior years will dry up soon.
all while maintaining his own personal project: Dead Fantasy, a crossover between Dead or Alive (the fighting game series known more for its female cast being buxom babes, versus its fairly intuitive and fun gameplay), and Final Fantasy. many of us knew him first through Haloid (shown in this very video) but then we encountered the first Dead Fantasy and... he was extremely skilled. his passion projects were incredible.
If you’ve watched the RT Animated Shorts, this would come as no surprise. They specifically said “Yeah Monty pretty much just works and when he’s not working, he just sort of powers down!“ so he was nothing if not an absolute unit.
@@yosiyyahu.bar.stephen I thought they meant that he just comes in does his job and when there's nothing to do he goes into hibernation mode and sleeps like a robot
I’d say their problem is like this; Every company has to decide if it wants to be a great company or a big company. There are pros to cons to both. Rooster teeth’s problem is that they refused to pick. They want to work on a variety of projects like a big company but try to make it intimate and passion driven like a great company. These things do not mesh so well.
But hot damn just because they tried we got some beautiful gems and side splitting laughs. RT was a threat to legacy media along with the other golden age RUclips channels, and I feel like the downward spiral of RT is a symptom of legacy media successfully sinking their hooks in and attempting to use the RT brand to artificially inject themselves into the top level alt media sphere without putting in the effort or learning the ropes of how that field works. Burnie and the founders literally helped build the culture that became RUclips so if anybody gets it they do.
I was an RT fan from 2008-2015. When Monty died, how the company handled his death behind the scenes when it came to Monty's creative projects, made a lot of people angry. I know whole swathes of the community started leaving. The views started to tank because we saw the disrespect to Monty and his wife plain as day, and it left a bad taste with everything. The sadness with Geoff was starting to kick in around this time too, and when Ray left it was like the last nail in the coffin. There was a sharp cutoff after RWBY got chewed up and spat out.
Overexpansion definitely killed RT for me. Losing key personalities like Ray and later Burnie, and replacing them with a huge influx of new people and shows. They lost that close knit feeling that made their content fun to watch.
@Random Platypus with Internet Yep, same issue with the podcast. I started listening less because of how often the cast changed. It doesn't need to be the same people every time but there needs to be consistency.
True, I loved AH, but couldn't keep up with all the new recent personalities. I think another thing that plays into the whole tight-knitt feeling is they stopped hiring community guys. Like Jeremy, Matt, and Trevor were massive in the AH community scene, whichto me, made them fit in much better than many of the other personalities they brought in.
I tried watching Ray's streams after he left, and every time I tuned in, it seemed like it was nothing but him thanking people for donations lol. I'm glad he's grateful, but it doesn't make for a good show.
@@chexmixkitty Honestly I can't even watch his streams lol, its like you said (and its like this for most popular streamers in general) its just chat with the superchats/donators and half paying attention to the game on screen. I respect the hustle and he's making probably more money then any RT employee now, but i just can't watch his stuff.
I think of rooster teeth as being a symbol of the rise and fall of the internet. Once upon a time the internet was the wild west. Free, open, and had none of the baggage of tradional entertainment media industry. It fostered an environment for creatives that didn't exist before. It became so big that it challenged conventional entertainment as we knew it. It was a golden age and it was glorious leading to success of many and creation of great things. But all things must end, and like how the wild west eventually became settled and tamed, so did the internet. It got tamed. Too much money was at stake to be as wild any more. Greedy people came in once all the hard work was done to take full advantage of it without really knowing what it made great in the first place. Now the things that made it so great are gone and we can't do that any more, or at least as much. That wild west is just a memory now...kept alive by the legends it birthed and loved by the people who yearn for the freedom we can no longer have. Edit; I'm coming back here now that RT has officially shut down and the last season of RVB finished. In keeping with the wild west theme, I feel like I just saw the last performance of Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. An era has finally ended and I'm not sure how to feel. Maybe someone may come around inspired by the past and make something great just like how the western was inspired by what came before it. God willing that someone will have learned from not just RTs successes but also failures. RIP Rooster Teeth. I don't believe in speaking ill of the recently deceased. So I'll just say I wish things turned out different. I really do.
Amen to that, man. I use the exact same analogy when I talk about the internet of then versus the internet of now. I remember when I got my first advertisement online, it was on Addicting games and I was so confused. Now they're everywhere. Wild West is settled. "I wish things were different. But it weren't us who changed."
@@MinersLoveGames the wild is west is gone. All thats left are men with wild hearts with no where to go... im guessing that is why Burnie jumped ship when he did. He saw the writing on the wall and knew that he didnt belong there any more. So he left on his own terms rather than be forced out.
Hit the nail on the head. People can make legitimate livings off of RUclips and Twitch and the like but it’s come at a cost. The cost is that it all starts to feel the same since everyone is trying to chase the same trends and not piss off sponsors by being themselves or having original thoughts.
@@user-zo5jo3ox5g I was the same. I was watching the shorts in 2010 and just loving every release. I watched AH grow and become this massive entertainment source and I wanted to be a part.
I remember way back in the day when AH was just a bunch of dudes in a room playing on Xbox. I remember the first Minecraft episode where Ray and Michael had to play split screen, the old office that was too small to fit desks for everyone. But when I found out about all the controversies and the toxic workplace, I was not surprised. The signs were all there when they started caring more about their image than their products.
We love Geoff because he was and has been open about his flaws and how he misses the simple times. We all can identify with that. I don’t care what that man does I hope he finds happiness. And for if RT being created was a mistake? No! This gave myself and so many others good times that turned into good memories. I will always be grateful for what they did.
Burnie always said that the Warthog going through the wall on Valhalla in season 8 was the changing point of the company. I’ve always agreed, but now, I think it’s the apex. Everything really went down from there. The future poor management of the animation side of the studio has really ate the company alive. And I agree with Geoff that many people have decried the end of rooster teeth for years, but having been around to know what mod points and the emodity was, I can only really look back and say the end is coming. And I’m not happy about it either. Rooster Teeth basically defined my personality. And I know the day will come soon when Rooster Teeth just isn’t a thing anymore.
Now maybe it’s just me but I have to disagree with both of you. To me personally, the true definitive moment that could be considered the moment the company’s fate was sealed was Monty’s passing. From that moment on, rooster teeth was beginning its downward spiral that it continues on to this day.
@@normanmerrick9493 Nah, as bad as Monty dying was, a lot of the problems with the direction of the company started with Fullscreen buying the company.
Yeah, I remember the emodomy and karma system. God, that was ages ago. Website went to shit when they changed it. So much of that website and community shaped my teenage years because I was a loner in highschool. Even had a ldr with a girl I met on there and eventually met up with her irl.
I feel bad for Geoff. He seems like the type of man that just wants to spend time with those he cares about and love those close to him, and doesn’t care about the money. In the end those close to him drift away and to hear his own wife and daughter not respect him is one of the worst things a man can experience.
The real death of RT was in business direction and leadership. They tried to be a production studio to compete with things like Netflix, but they never had the in-house talent or budget to make serious inroads. They gave huge opportunities to their own staff when no one else in the industry would trust someone so inexperienced. They basically failed to definitively move themselves from web series creators to a professional studio. RWBY is led by inhouse talent with no external portfolio, gen lock was the same, a lot of their animated shows followed that mold. They keep falling into this middle ground between hobby passion project and industry-level production. But all the while they are charging as much as Netflix, or Disney+, or HBO max. They have basically picked a fight with the biggest kids on the block, and are now getting mugged in slow motion. Gaming moved to Twitch and the donation model, podcasting is an incredibly oversaturated space, and they destroyed their community goodwill through controversies and price hikes. Their content model has stagnated, and everyone else either caught up or moved on to the next thing. They had a loyal, matured (wealthy) fanbase that they completely squandered. Nowadays there's a whole surge of talk shows that are very profitable, focused around live donations, an attractive studio, and engaging personalities. RT had all the necessary resources to pivot, but like so many other trends, they just missed the boat.
i always felt that was the issue too their voice acting and overall production quality betrayed them, it felt like they were an xbox 360, playing cutting edge titles, doing cutting edge things, at the cost of horrible quality while doing it
Absolutely this, there is no reason why RWBY is being led by two guys that have no previous production credit. Once the main creative force in Monty passed away, someone else should have stepped in as everything the show was most heavily criticized for was the responsibility of those that took over the show, i.e. Miles and Kerry. RWBY and Gen:Lock are massive productions that require a lot of moving parts to work in tandem with one another, there's already an issue of scope there with the resources RT had so adding inexperienced management on top of that was a recipe for disaster. Miles and Kerry didn't have any sort of animation experience to be in charge of an animation production, they didn't have any sort of writing experience either to be head writers for the series, and while I think it's kind of cool that RT gives inexperienced creatives a chance, you should still always always have someone at the helm that knows what they are doing. It's a massive red flag if a junior animator enters a production with more animation experience than the production leads.
absolutely. i was 12 when i started watching, and now at 23... theres just nothing left there anymore. i tried to stick it through after ryan (bc i really love alfredo and trevor) but it just got harder and harder with every video and now its unbearable
Same. I think RT and AH will always live in my heart. They shaped my childhood along side people like pewdiepie, cinnamontoastken, chaotic monkey and so forth
I stopped paying attention to RT in 2015 (roughly), and it seems like that was the best time to jump ship considering how devastating the company's downward spiral was. Out of the whole crew it seems like Geoff was one of the few guys who truly wanted to do something fun with friends, but instead he had to run a company with shitty business partners and colleagues. I sincerely hope he finds his happiness again after being beat down for so long, the guy absolutely deserves it.
The 2010's were really a terrible time to be one of the older breed of content creators who just wanted to have fun making videos. That was right around the time the corporate world had finally realized just how much profit they could squeeze out of the internet and the people using it, and if you weren't as good of a salesman as you were a personality, they would beat you down and pick your bones clean without a second thought.
1:25:17 one of the key parts of this time was not only did they raise the rates of first memberships, but they also turned off all active grandfathered accounts that were using PayPal. As a "consolation gift" for years of loyalty, they included a steam code for vicious circle.
That explains how I have that game. And yeah that's when I just stopped paying for it too after several years. Can't say I ever played the game either.
Yeah i gave First a try when i was still watching their stuff many years back for the binge watching of RTAA, but then i found that half the RTAA's weren't even on there so i had to go find them on RUclips anyway, and i was like why am i paying such a lot, to access RTAA, when i'm having to still go hunt for them on YT?? So i cancelled and just kinda lost interest in anything else they had, since any of the good content was locked behind First after that as they attempted to make some profit. It's sad, but the way YT has changed over the last 20 years has definitely fucked them over too, as with a lot of creators.
Hearing all the shit Geoff went through is gut wrenching. Especially the comment about his wife. He was always one of my favorite members of AH back when I watched, and seeing him go through all that shit just sucks. I truly wish him the best.
There are a lot of things you can point at a say "This is why they failed," but in my opinion, all of it really boils down to "It got to big for its britches." Too many projects, not enough funding, and not enough employees to handle the work load. They basically became the Buzzfeed of the gaming community.
Yeah agreed. It's easy to just point to the drama but as you said, it was just too much growth for the sake of growth. The d*ck scandals and death are good for a video because people like drama and emotion. However, that is nothing compared to overstretching your company and taking on more than you can handle. We see mega corporations try that and fail (look at Sony with handhelds, Netflix trying to compete with movie theaters, Ford investing heavily in Rivian), so it comes as no surprise that RT over-expanded.
Hoo boy, this is gonna be the first video of yours that I'm gonna struggle to actually watch. Rooster Teeth were a cornerstone of entertainment for me growing through my teen years, and it is difficult to see what's become all of them, like watching a friend waste away from a terminal illness.
The last act was pretty tough seeing Geoff come to terms with just how much people being shitty got to him. I almost wish I could go back to not knowing how bad things got for them.
Goeff really was the rawest and most down to earth of all the people I remember and every time he had one of the sad stories or talked about how he hated his day I just felt so bad and it’s just hard to see him sad because he just wanted to have fun with friends but it became all about business.
Ray Narvaez kinda pulled a Sark from Machinima, in that they both pulled out essentially the ultimate heist of getting out of a company doomed to collapse slowly at their respective highest points
I stopped watching RoosterTeeth and LetsPlay when Ray left but it still pains me to see how far they’ve fallen. They were a big part of my childhood and early teenage years.
@@GrandisArcanum why is it weird? If someone liked Ray way more than anyone else I could understand it, and theres nothing immature about that. I still tune in here and there to all kinds of RT stuff but Burnie leaving was a huge drop off for me personally.
@@GrandisArcanum how is that weird? It’s just like any artist you listen to if they replace a key member of the group it can completely change the dynamic of things and that’s exactly what happened when Ray left it didn’t feel organic everything felt forced it was no longer just a bunch of guys sitting down playing games together making dumb jokes and yelling at each other it felt more relatable when Ray was there with everyone
A lot of the OG community myself included stopped watching after ray left I first heard about RT from the rvb series later I found out about achievement hunter when it was only Jack and Geoff making the videos then they added Michael, Gavin, Ray, and regrettably Ryan, it all just felt more natural when the original group was there everyone played off each other so well I wanted to work for them growing up so badly it also makes me sad how far the shitter they went
I'm genuinely tearing up during the segments talking about Monty. We lost an amazing man, and incredible animator. He's the reason I presumed a career in 3D character animation. Because of RWBY I wanted to work at Rooster Teeth more than anything, but now kind of seeing where the company is gone it's heartbreaking, honestly that desire to work for them is completely gone now. Don't get me wrong Monty was and will always be an inspiration for the career path I chose to pursue but it's just not the same.
Truthfully, I think everything really started to fall apart when he died. He was a S-class animator: The speed and quality of the things he can produce...well, name another. I can't. Most big animation projects take a year, for anywhere from 5 minutes to 10. This dude was busting out entire trailers in two weeks and was a damn machine. The moment he died, they lost their damn best animator, of which they had basically hinged a huge amount of their quality upon. I cannot possibly start to even think about what he meant to Rooster Teeth. To this day they still have not got an animator that is up to par with Monty.
@@BeyondtheBlade I still wonder how he did it, he's the bob ross of animation, he's fast at what he does, he seemed pretty cool and collected, and a genuine friend to hang out with.
Yeah. And then the Company proceeded to Stab him in the back before his body was even cold. They Slashed his Private Studio, Discredited Shane and Monty’s Wife, and Kathleen. Downsized his workers and Erased All Of his personal Involvement, so Miles and Kerry could “Continue his Vision” by changing everything in RWBY.
@@devildolphin2102 Sounds juicy, I must admit. Any chance you have a reference point to share? I like every bullet I can add to my arsenal for the inevitable arguement against a RWBY-loyalist.
what makes their demise fascinating to me is that many of its peers like machinima, screwattack, channel awesome, yogscast, and others like it have been collapsing along side rooster teeth. it's fascinating witnessing a domino effect where a major channel dying can set off a chain reaction where many of their peers collapse with them
I think it’s less a cause then effect thing, but an overall trend of the dying off of these conglomerate channels-often for the same reasons, like (alleged) workplace abuse, increasingly stale content, original talent leaving, overexpansion, etc.
@@warlordofbritannia yeah they basically just happened to all make the same dumb mistakes that tend to happen when a small group of people accidentally make a multi million dollar business
@randomcenturion64 That Letter was just pages of a little bitch crying he didnt get promoted. Miles and Kerry were the ones working with Monty on the show. Bullshit his wife had any say.
RT has 2 fail conditions at this point: Geoff leaving and RWBY ending. Once either of those happen, the company will probably go under. Worst part is that feel like for at least RWBY, the community has been very vocal in changes and directions that they dont like as well as what works and it just kinda seems like the creative team disregards it. As for Geoff, one man can only take so much of a burden before cracking and i would honestly rather see him leave the company than go completely under in a different way.
I wouldn't say RWBY ending would be a fail condition, because at some point the series has to end or be rebranded. It doesn't have the same concept as early RvB did where they could get away with more episodic content. That being said, while the writing was never stellar, it's gotten worse over time. And for the scripted content, I feel that's what's been an issue with them, especially as the series became more serious in later seasons. I feel like Zero went in the right direction with a new cast, but I feel like it would have worked better if they treated it more as a reboot of the series. As for RWBY, I haven't watched the anime version but I'm hoping that turns out better. It's probably why they should have editors that either work outside of the company or something so that they can ask the questions of "Why this?" or "Where is this going?" and "Who is this person?" As for Geoff, he'll eventually leave. Who will take his place, however, will be the interesting question.
@@cabutler1 Oh i probably worded it a bit badly, i meant its a fail condition if RWBY ends before its story is done, like if it gets cancelled. At this point volume 9 seems to be focused on this new realm, then we need at least 1 volume for the last relic and then probably 1 more volume to build up to the last attack, meaning we at the very least are looking at 3 volumes even if they rush the storyline. If the show ends after Volume 9 with no resolution? thaaats gonna be bad. RvB Unfortunately suffered from jumping-the-shark-itis a bit too much, they basically made pretty good endings for the series on 4 seperate occassions... imagine if they beat Salem in RWBY and then just added a new bad guy. its kinda like that. I didnt watch the last 2 seasons of RvB so maybe more things happend than i know but i really dont feel like watching them anyways. I hope Geoff leaves eventually, id rather he leaves before everything crumbles tho so he gets to walk out with his head held high.
@@DeaminZaints > i meant its a fail condition if RWBY ends before its story is done It will end this way because they very, very obviously have no end or arc in mind and every season end is designed to just be another meaningless cliff hanger. Anyway the anime is good and actually inventive and well written. Shows what happens when you actually run your idea through a second draft or have people who actually have a modicum of professionalism working on it. I hope RT dies and just sells off the rights to RWBY to Shaft with no strings attached.
I don' t know how you got the idea that the staff doesn' t listen to people, but the writers said again and again that they care very much about the fanbase lol. They just don' t care about criticism that is done in bad faith ( and Miles in an interview even said that, despite being bad for his mental health, he often goes "I fucking hate this dude but he' s right and I can take this into consideration next time). Tbh I think Rwby writing only got better as time went on, the community just doesn' t really know what they want, or wants something that Rwby will never be able to deliver because of scope/actual budget/what is actually is.
A lot of things are killing Rooster Teeth. 1. Not letting things die. The Best example I have of this is RvB. People loved the show, and it told great stories with great action. It had an amazing ending at Season 13. Sure, you can have the abridged season 14, that was fun too. And while I love the "How we got Here" episode, every season after 14 seems largely unnecessary. The Blues and Reds was good but not needed. The time Travel and gods was kinda too far and boring. Then they brought it back as Zero, basically just piggy backing off of RvB with none of the real stuff that made RvB. It was now not a comedy show, it was an action show with jokes. 2. Loss of that Community feeling. Watching the older shows and vids, the old Lab show (that was basically better and more fun Game Theory), the old Achievement Hunter, there is a sense of friendship. A lot of their jokes and bits really feel like a group of friends just hanging around, shooting the shit. Then the shows went bigger. A Million Dollars But... and the Science show ended (or got buried somewhere on their website). Achievement Hunter is now filled with a bunch of Streamers and VAs and RUclipsrs. None of them are bad, but that's not really why I watched AH. 3. The Scandals. Watching creators we liked or shows we loved turn out to have overworked and unpaid Animators (animators you would know were mostly college students who were basically interning at a company they loved), Grooming and SA scandals, so on and so forth... I know it was heart breaking for the people involved who were their coworkers and friends, but it was also heartbreaking to the fans. To the people who saw the group as a bunch of friends shooting the shit, It was like having a buddy you've known for years get exposed as a Sx Offender. There are probably a bunch more reasons in the back of my mind, but those are the 3 biggest hammers which hit the most nails on the head in my mind.
I pretty much agree with all your points. I’m one of the few people on the internet who likes Season 15 of Rvb but even I agree it really wasn’t needed. Maybe if they made it a side series or a shorter “update” season, that’s how I imagined it tbh I’m still pretty attached to the og employees, Geoff, Gavin, Michael, Burnie, Gus, Matt, and a few others, like Miles. But I don’t know who’s got a scandal that’s true or not and who’s just a good person lost to the wind, the exception being Geoff. And it really sucks too. All good things must come to an end, I suppose
I was willing to keep up with the new stuff but after the haywood debacle I can barely look at anything rooster teeth without feeling sad, rwby and the animation department is marred to me because of gray, it just sucks seeing a company I loved turn into a stranger I barely recognize
@Seanus Patricus ehhhh I gotta disagree with you there. I’ll admit Fiona and Ky feel like they might’ve initially been diversity hires, but Joe and BK were quite obviously calculated to try to fill Jeremy’s old role in the team (and tbh Fiona feels like a failed calculation to try to fill Ryan’s spot, she tries to be sneaky but just doesn’t usually have the skill to keep up.) And for what it’s worth, RT’s moderation around that point where Mica left was objectively dogshit. It still leaves a lot to be desired quite frankly. The site “revamps” driven by the RTFirst switch (and later Fullscreen,) completely demolished the old community moderation that kept things manageable and brought it in-house, distracting employees from their jobs. When an asshat could be silenced by a fellow community member with a good track record, that’s one thing; when it’s the company’s job to silence them that’s another entirely. And “they got political” isn’t really an argument. There’s a reason Geoff kept bringing veteran friends into the company and they’d be gone in a few years. RT’s always had a problem with political divides, not like that’s even unusual. FWIW it’s also clear Jack slipped out of regularly appearing in AH at least partly ‘cause he couldn’t stop with the political jokes. Just because you feel like a perspective is getting persecuted doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to make concessions to it.
@Seanus Patricus "being diverse doesnt draw in people. Like, no one goes and watches shows or content JUST BECAUSE it is diverse Most people don't care about the skin color or sexuality of their content creators." -of course not. if your skin color/ sexual preference is always represented & never missing from any content you frequently view, you wouldn't understand the desire & importance of seeing yourself reflected in the creation & content you enjoy. Why would you seek out diversity if you see you, in everything already? I get it and maybe even the diverse crowd found the content less enjoyable after the creators forced more diversity but the idea that no one intentionally seeks out content for the diversity, is something someone assumes only if they've never felt a lack of seeing themselves represented, or their group reflected, in the things they enjoy. Maybe I'm totally off here, that's possible & fair. I just happened to be in the vicinity of my roommates & friends' love for rooster teeth & rvb. that's my only real nostalgia for the stuff so I apologize if this came off shitty.
I struggled to start watching this one bc Rooster Teeth is so personal to me. I can’t even begin to explain how many different things in my life are indirectly related to them. I had no friends in middle school and high school, Achievement Hunter was my only respite to not want to die. I wore a slap band with the Rooster Teeth logo on it to a birthday party and met my best friend who I followed to their college, started my career and met my partner there. They meant a lot and it hurt when I started drifting from their content with just age and the shifting quality. I remember when Monty passed away, i had to take a day off of school because i was so distraught, for a man i never knew. I was so hype for Michael and lindsay’s wedding, i felt like my friends were getting married. I watched every single 24hr extra life stream and collected all of the posters. I’ve been a first member/sponsor since I got my first job eight years ago. I can’t stress how much they meant to me and how big they were in my life. I had alerts in my phone when podcasts were going live, I begged to visit their studio and was heartbroken when I couldn’t get the chance. I watched their content every fucking day for half a decade. I know they weren’t perfect and I won’t speak to everything wrong with the company, but i will say i remember when the Ryan stuff came out and it was a stab to the gut. I was *exactly* his demographic (young, obsessed with him, lonely, inexperienced, neurodivergent) and we were from the same area, it could’ve been me so easily. Some videos and moments I associate with my childhood, I can’t watch anymore without feeling gross when they were once my entire life. I’m still hurt over it and he better hope I never see him in person because I would lose it. Monster.
Same here I feel in love with rvb in 2010 up until 2016 when they started pushing politic into there videos I’m am neither left or right and I dislike when creators start pushing politic into there videos. I want entertainment not a political debate group. Then the fandom started to tear each other apart and there stars weren’t helping they were adding fuel to the fire attacking anyone and using the fandom as there personal attacks force which they continue to this day. I finally had enough canceled my subscription and never looked back.
@@noahsawyer7155 I don’t fully agree with the political stuff, what little there was was mainly in more personal content such as the podcasts and I think that was fair. But I completely relate to losing interest in their content due to growing out of it and the changing styles
Seeing Geoff's story with RoosterTeeth is heartbreaking. This man found a means of expressing himself, his passion, and an environment to share and grow with his friends. That moment when he said he missed his friends; you can see he is spilling his guts out for his friends, and they gleefully stomp on them for the clout and promise of greater financial success. From what I observed from his interaction during their let's plays, RTX panels and off-topic appearances, Geoff had little ambition for Rooster Teeth. He wanted a place that felt like a family to him, and his dream came true to a degree. With the growth in staff, it'd naturally be more difficult to be this close to each member, but it would appear that he understood that while he might not be friends with EVERY member of the workplace, they could be friends among themselves, and that his dream acted as a host for others who had similar dreams like him. What confirms this theory to me is his sendoff to those 50 employees. He didn't have to, but as he said during the speech, he acted of his own accord and this was a last minute decision fueled purely by need to speak his mind about the tragedy he felt had jut happened. Yes he bashed the audience as internet audiences are a cutthroat and bloodthirsty bunch, but I believe that he did this because he was likely not aware (as in emotionally aware, he most likely DID know about all these details as he is one of the heads) to the big picture spendings and corporatization of his dream project and work community, that CAUSED these layoffs. I can't blame the man for looking for someone to blame, a way to escape the feeling that he (by being in power in that company) betrayed these people, by having to take this away from them; which in turn is a greater betrayal to his core beliefs. Edit: I hadn't seen his response to the harassment of one of the employees. 💔😔 He truly has a good heart. He didn't need to go that far into detail, and his tears are born from legitimate anguish. My heart goes to him
I think thats why he hadn’t left, it seems like he really cared about the company and just didnt want to see it fall, but now he’s stuck watching it burn down and its just painful to watch. I really hope he can find something more.
@@GigaChadh976 i was referring to its time. it was genuinely wild that someone essentially independently created this. it is choppy, telegraphed, and the lighting is awful; that’s just a few problems. The ambition and drive was there
RT community went from, "We have our own site because you can't rely on external parties to run a thriving community" to, "twitter is our community" and it's sad
Had Mika ever considered that maybe she's just not that entertaining? A company worth the original achievement hunters, a grand list of charismatic that us fans loved for years that she just can't match the unreachable vibes that they established with her own character work? Like maybe some people are racist, but damn she just wasn't fun to watch
Geoff was always a tough as nails guy, it was yeeears of absorbing shit that made him crack. He probably would have been totally cool with just doing Lets Plays with the same guys for years and years. I used to love watching the early LP stuff. Watching Gavin do something stupid and Michael and Geoff yelling at him was great. They had a great run, but it's so hard to maintain an online presence, people have no attention span anymore
@@hungrycrab3297 burnie left after making huge financially stupid decisions. He was on a massive wage and still made bad decisions. The parent company needed to fix the decision making so he “stepped down” rather than be fired.
If you like people who do let’s plays I would recommend Chuggaaconroy and for group let’s plays I recommend TheRunawayGuys (group that chuggaaconroy helped found)
@@M3RK_Crash TRG and friends are a nice community that still pull off part by part let's plays rather than cut down highlights. As much as I like the newer style of "let's plays", it's nice to see that those guys can keep the old style alive (while Chugga's production quality has massively improved series after series, the best of both worlds)
With the power of hindsight, Ray leaving AH was the equivalent of Marcus Aurelius dying. Sure the empire (company) lived on but never uphill, always downhill
Which is ironic because Ray, at the time, was making an incredibly risky career move that looked like it may or may not pan out, and now he's the one with a brand new functional ship and RoosterTeeth are the ones that are sinking.
It’s crazy how Ray seemed almost prophetic in his decision. Its not that he was some smart genius that saw where the company was headed. He simply left due to passion and he just felt the passion was siphoned out of the company.
@@ExternusArmyThough I think part of the reason he left was because rooster teeth started moving more to high production live action like Lazer Team. Man just wanted to play games on the internet.
@@dreadfullespectre8579 you don't have to be a genius to realize it was never going to pan out for RT going that direction and Ray likely saw that... everyone else had ambitions of breaking into the mainstream and endlessly expanding instead of ensuring their core product was good or understanding why people liked it
I think that rt and ah is policing their community too much now. I've seen a mod post a comment on a RUclips video pretty much saying "Il l be reading they comments of the video so you all better watch what you say". They pretty much turned into "if you don't like what we've become, leave" and most people did.
Rooster teeth stars: we don’t want you Person: fine I’ll take my money elsewhere Couple days later Rooster teeth: we don’t have any money Financial manager: we should up the price Rooster teeth: brilliant
The company that was founded and thrived by literal dick jokes, is telling its fans to stop with the dick jokes. The Hindenburg went down with more grace than Roosterteeth.
@@SpartonWolf it happened a lot during the onboarding of Fiona and Ky. Much less so now, but partly because the audience has shrunk so there’s less need.
1:22:00 "Animation for a mecha series is very expensive!" This would be true. If it was DRAWN animation. In 3D animation, mechas are actually great, because they don't need to have expressions, they move very stilted and you can add as many details as you like, because they don't have to be redrawn for each frame. I don't know where that person is coming from but as a 3D artist and character animator of 10 years: mechas is basically always easier to animate than people. Add that with Mecha series often playing in space, an easily reusable environment asset and you probably have one of the cheapest ways you could run a 3D fully animated show. Now, they didn't do all those things, but the statement alone that Mecha shows are more expensive than other 3D shows doesn't ring true to me.
The real expenses for Gen:lock were twofold: 1) Haddock's crippling perfectionism apparently led to the same scenes being animated over and over again because he wasn't satisfied with this or that detail. 2) They hired a bunch of big name a-listers like David Tenant and Maisie Williams, and that required everyone on the production who got a line to be paid SAG rates which massively inflated the budget. The sad thing is I actually quite liked Gen:Lock, it felt like it had a strong first season and I would have kept watching had they not taken the absolutely bone-headed decision of not showing the second season on the RT site at all, even to those of us who had paid for FIRST, which felt like a huge slap in the face to those of us who had contributed to paying for its production. It was one of three things that prompted me to cancel my FIRST sub (the other two being Ryan Haywood and RvB Zero). I enjoyed Gen:Lock as presented but I think I probably still would have enjoyed it as much had it had slightly ropey animation and the standard stable of RT voice talents. After all, bot RvB and RWBY had both of those and I still enjoyed them.
i genuinely wish i could feel anything but sadness when i think about rooster teeth now. i spent so many hours in middle and high school watching rvb and the minecraft letsplays. those especially were my pick-me-up when i needed a distraction, needed to laugh for a while- i watched them as soon as they came out, and when i was working at a camp, i'd watch them in my sleeping bag before i went to sleep every night. but i can't even go back and watch those anymore, because ryan was my favorite. i liked how crafty he was and how he tried to use sneaky, intelligent tactics and would make nerdy jokes. and now i just feel sick whenever i think about those videos- i've lost my ability to enjoy what i used to love, because of everything that's happened since, and I miss the happiness I used to experience from it.
I had stopped watching rt about half a year before the ryan controversy. At around that time it reached the point where I realized there was almost no videos they put out that I found fun enough to watch. That and the disgust I started to get for the workplace environment for ALL staff. the mainline staff seemed to be devolving into depressing alcoholics, while the rest of the staff seemed to have to deal with the fact that they might get "pranked" witch involves the main crew more or less trashing their office for "content", witch they made several videos of.
@@RandomGamerCory Also from the article. The Austin-based animator for the production studio Rooster Teeth Productions died on Sunday afternoon, company chief executive Matt Hullum said in a statement. Hullum said Oum suffered a severe allergic reaction during a procedure about 10 days ago and fell into a coma.
@@RandomGamerCory Maybe next time before you attempt slander watch the vid as this was also cited word for word. Monty's wife and family have been through enough. Shame be upon you, let the best and his family rest in peace.
In middle and high school I loved watching Fails of the Weak, Rage Quit, and their various let's plays, particularly Minecraft and Wormz. I miss the old dynamic they had, it felt almost like actual friends just playing a game as if there was no camera or capture card recording.
It's incredible just how in denial Rooster Teeth fans still are, people talking about how RT isn't dying it's just fear mongering but it's very clear that things have gone downhill.
Completely agree. In my opinion, for close to a decade, the only reason Rooster Teeth even still exists is Achievement Hunter. They are leaning on them SO hard as a crutch to actually get money, as they used to be the only videos from the company that consistently got millions of views, and now that AH is failing, I really doubt them even continuing as a company.
@@chrisray250 it’s because achievement Hunter/ let’s play is still close to what it was. Still has some maincast members from the golden age, and the new members are mostly known members of the community from the old days such as Trevor. Not to mention the outside hires tend to fit. RT will eventually die. The question is will AH or will it evolve into something less business like and more towards what Ray ended up doing. Honestly I could see AH doing well in a less structured, less content form.
@@tylergaye5457 pretty sure i heard they dont make money and are consistently in the red its why every so often they really try to push the site ( like the extra ttt rounds and removing rwby from yt)
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What killed my interest in RT was the distinct shift around 2015 where it went from friends playing games and making content, to a soulless corporation churning out content for the sake of content. It went from feeling like I was in the room watching some friends playing games and making jokes, to a company making things that tried to appeal to the largest amount of people while making it a chore to watch.
Yeah that’s like exactly when I dropped it too
thiiiisss. the second ray left it all started to feel so soulless
@@abbierouse5713 He even admitted it on his early days of independent streams that the main reason why he gave up is that he was sick of only playing games he was scheduled to do. He wanted to try different content at his pace and not being bound by a contract.
Worked well for him, his fans still watch him on Twitch and he's doing quite good with his girl and his friends.
jokes on you it was always a company trying to make money, which is why the "change" was possible in the first place
this right here, this is so much the reason i stopped watching
Actually sad and upsetting that of all the founders, Geoff is the only one that misses being just friends with the rest; that success went too far up their heads. Like seriously, damn.
Johnny Depp once said “Money doesn’t change people, it reveals them”
Not to mention they went woke too.
@@kiethveseyofficial woke can work if it is done constructively and with purpose, if it is being done for the sake of it and purely for clickbait views…it is undermining everything and does no one no favors and will not stand the test of time
It’ll become what every content creator fears…cringe
@@IronMan3582 no. It’s always get woke go broke. When you have an international audience you don’t fill it with americas problem. We don’t care about america. We came for content, not a lecture
@@kiethveseyofficial … Joel didn’t
It's honestly sad seeing Geoff trying to be genuine about what he missed and the others trying to joke it away.
His problem was going to sleep listening to CNN fake news on the best president we ever had. That’s what drove him to depression.
That "I don't miss it" comment was unnecessary.
If he wanted to make a joke about it, he could have said something like "can we have the room clean this time?" By the way he said that, it sounded like he doesn't miss the time they spent together playing games.
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@@TwilightWolf032 It’s unfortunate but I think he meant what he said. Like him or not, Gus is a legit dick and people are definitely not his favorite thing.
Heartbreaking. And so real. Someone has to be the first to feel something. That person was Jeff. The rest became corporate sell-out
I don't know what's worse. The fact that RoosterTeeth went from being such a community stand point to the absolute train wreck it is today, or the fact that they're more than happy to throw Geoff out into the public eye every time as a scapegoat to cover their fuck ups.
Geoff deserves better. Yes he was an alcoholic asshole in the beginning. But he turned his life around drastically. He doesn't deserve to be the target for all the companies problems.
@@matthewdaub I've said this before but they literally treat him like the sad alcoholic uncle of the company. Every time they fuck up it's "Quick, get Geoff emotional and put him in front of the camera so we can nip this in the bud." It's such a horrible thing and if he hasn't already (Haven't watched RT or AH in years) he should pack up and leave to start somewhere fresh. Only the truly deluded like Jack actually believe the company is worth anything anymore.
@@N7Beowulfhe pretty much only does one podcast with Gavin and Andrew Panton. He seems to enjoy it. He deserves to create something with his friends instead of being forced to do tiktok shit with achievement hunter.
Personally, I think Geoff feels responsible for the company so he takes it on himself to address issues and try to be honest. Which is so depressing, bc it certainly feels like hes the only one trying.
Rooster Teeth did the same thing with Vic Mignogna by firing him from the role of Qrow on RWBY for false accusations of sexual harassment and assault.
I think a big problem with Rooster Teeth and it's various channels is that they were heavily personality driven where the appeal was the people in those groups and the dynamic they had. When those personalities inevitably moved on to other things, the content just wasn’t the same with less/ different peolple and the audience felt that and started leaving too.
Like Super Best Friends?
@@colinr0380 except SBF decided to end things before things got really ugly. SBF was entertaining until the end while Rooster teeth is just boring now
@@zacharylinzmeyer2113 True. They split up at the best time in retrospect, although that Omikron playthrough got uncomfortable at times!
@@zacharylinzmeyer2113 Sucks that they ended as none of them are nearly as good on their own imo. But yeah it would've been far worse to keep it going.
To be fair to rooster teeth, they can't end things the way SBF did. SBF had maybe 4 people working there, RT has 500+.
The parts about Geoff almost had me in tears he truly just seemed like a guy who was content with making decent money and having fun with his friends while making funny content however sadly that's the nature of businesses that get this big this fast when noone really has a strong business sense.
The old gang of Geoff Jack Gavin Ray and Michael was my childhood
The thing is, Geoff was not wrong, look at a group like the Sidemen who have been enduring the test of time, they are gigantic in their own right, have other businesses but they are able to keep growing because they remain loyal to the soul of their content, that being the comrodarie between a group of friends.
That's what made early RT succesful, that's what made the Lets Play channel succesful, that is the thing television just cannot emulate.
@@StorminNorman69 Geoff jack ryan
Gavin Michael Ray and Jeremy were my favorite
Still watch the old ah content
That point where he was talking about his wife being absent, going to bed lonely and having no joy, or motivation to enjoy himself after his daughter went to bed was something many men feel but don't talk about for exactly what is shown here;
He's actively telling his friends and colleagues that he's depressed, struggling and probably knows his life is falling apart. What do they do? They laugh and mock him. He puts on a brave face, but that is absolutely disgusting from people who are meant to care about him.
geoff ‘jokingly’ stalked ‘hot’ women in his car with gavin and called it ‘conenct the hots’. So he’s not entirely a good guy but eh who is at RT?
This video is the embodiment of the “last online 10 years ago” meme. I feel so much nostalgia from watching the early roosterteeth days, but it slowly fades into sadness and depression as I get closer and closer to the present situation with RT. With Geoff being one of the last OG members left I can only hope that one day he’ll have the strength to eventually leave himself and live a happier life outside of RT.
Yea rt sucks rooster
i feel its not embodiment but similiar, its more like the friend you played with 10 years ago renamed themselves and became successful, and while you try to reminisce and say you missed those days, they just say they dont missed it and they hate it when they are not famous
@@cbbblue8348 When an old friend of yours becomes a big-time streamer and no longer bothers to look at your messages because he only sees you as another fan now.
"Their company disbanding seems more and more inevitable with each coming day."
And less than 2 years later, Warner Bros Discovery announced that they're shutting Rooster Teeth down, and selling off their shows and networks, after failing to sell the company.
I would've guessed they would've lasted at least 5 more years after this video, so this came to a shock even to me.
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Dude I grew up on screwattack, I still watch the top 10s for nostalgia sometimes.
@@RhetoricalGamer Yeah it was good times indeed. Maybe they should come back.
@@bobthebuilder6085 appreciate you growing up with me :)
Geoff deserved better. The man was always a genuine, heartwarming soul who wanted nothing more than to make jokes and make people smile. His Let's Play Minecraft challenges with Jack, Ray, Michael, and Gavin were my childhood.
It disgusts me to think that people would make that Griffin joke to someone who didn't have a bad bone in his body whatsoever. No matter what happens with Rooster Teeth, I genuinely hope Geoff finds some happiness in his endeavors. Man truly deserves it.
Tbf, I never liked Griffin. Let's be real - she was a terrible wife. She was some career woman and tomboy, it was clear their relationship had almost no romance and the mutual agreement to divorce was really just inevitable. There was no sacrifice in that relationship. Griffin wanted to do more professionally, so she straight up just abandons a great dude. I believe that Geoff would be better off if not for the divorce. I don't think that his daughter loves him that much either. It's clear she is being molded by her mother.
@@Misanthropolis lmao you don’t know these people, how can you say that with such certainty (and misogyny). Please reconnect with people around you.
I get that Ryan fucked up majorly, but its also weird erasure to not include him in the golden age of Let's Play.
"Rooster Teeth Co-Founder Geoff Ramsey Responds to Sexual Misconduct Accusations"
You mean this guy?
@@imtired927 Did you watch the video? That story was explained, and there was no misconduct on Geoff’s end. Geoff and Griffin had an open relationship and Geoff had been flirting with a fan, but when it started getting more serious he felt weird about the power imbalance and decided to not go through with it. Then the fan went out and accused him of cheating on his wife with her.
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I’m honestly surprised they lasted this long. I’d expected them to close shop years ago.
So who's here after witnessing the collapse?
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sigh, when ray left, i left, wasnt the same anymore, and then fking monty died and i was like ffs, everyone i liked s gone
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Agreed. It felt like it fell apart from 2015 from friends playing games to just another corpo.
Love rays streams tho
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Roosterteeth died in phases. The first phase is when Monty died and the lead creative force behind the whole company was suddenly gone. The next phase was getting the idea that big budget = better and trying to bloat every single show they have with unneeded spectacle to mask the lack of content. Then the new people in charge felt they could do no wrong and often attacked fans with often valid criticism and dismissed them as haters that didn't get their vision. The final nail was Nickle and dime'ing their fanbase with confusing paywalls and subscriptions for previously free content as a way to stop bleeding money. This leads to today, where Roosterteeth is anemic at best and will likely be shuttered by Sony in a few years.
That who big=better there was a podcast with bernie where he talked about how expansion and bigger budgets was all Otter medias idea. Those big executives got all the profits from expansion. And RT was left to die
There's so much truth in this, it's crazy. I remember how Miles and Kerry would go on tirades about "toxic fans" that just had some simple, logical questions about the show, or Barb yelling at fans at cons for the same stuff. (The whole "iT's A cArToOn!!!" bit). Like, they've said said a lot before that they were trying to present a detailed story with a really well thought out narrative, but then when fans have actual, logical questions about things, they tell those fans to shut the hell up and be happy with what they're given. It's really sad, as with the right people behind them, a lot of RT's content could have been so much more.
Amen to that
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I know, right?
What does Sony have to do with anything? Are you confused with Crunchyroll?
My heart goes out to Geoff. Such a legend in this field. So many hours spent just watching Geoff and Jack make videos together.
geoff honestly comes off as such a nice guy after watching this. Seems like he'd be such a fun guy to just talk to. i almost wanna just give him a hug from half these clips tho :( i miss the 2010 era of RT so much sometimes.
You know what? That is fair. Geoff is nice in that regard. But on some level, I think he has a stake in this. He's not blameless, but he might be better off than most of them.
@@nickthepick8043 Oh definitely, and I think that’s why in these clips he is so distraught. He knows a lot of this is his responsibility, things that he could’ve prevented. Obviously there are many things that were out of his control, like being acquired, Monty Oum’s passing, and the Ryan fiasco, but those do not make up all of the reasons why Rooster Teeth is in the place it is today.
Nevertheless, he persists to hold his baby (company) afloat, and that is very commendable.
@@SmoothTurtle840 Fair enough. I'm just looking back on the time when he addressed the layoffs. Clearly, he was being genuine, and I can feel for him, but when he started talking about the "Haters" it made me lose respect for him in that moment. Because it just came off as deflection. But I'll say this, in contrast to his other colleagues, former or otherwise, he is one of the few with a huge amount of self-awareness. Something they lack. Ask anyone, and they'd tell you that they'd prefer people with admitting their uncertainty with humility in regards to criticism, instead of the opposite of those characteristics.
I remember listening to an old Dude Soup episode around the time Geoff was about to take his sabbatical, and Bruce brought up the that he and Geoff had a heart to heart after RTX but kept it very vague what they talked about. Not too long later, Bruce leaves Funhaus and RT downsized.
One thing I learned from this video: if you have a fuck ton of packages to send through the mail you can just drop it off at a loading dock.
Never heard that story before and it got good laugh out of me
I have but one package and it's not detachable.....ehrm....
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@@Red_Lanterns_Rage Stop you.
@@Red_Lanterns_Rage bow chicka bow wow
Geoff is the only one that didn't let the fame go to his head to the same level the rest did, he seems to genuinely miss the old days when they were starting out and their job was basically just hanging out with friends
this video really made me feel for Geoff. Hearing him talk about how he misses his friends and all the personal problems he was no doubt going through while involved with the company is really heartbreaking.
and made me what a pathetic man with no backbone he is
and you know that comment about girff being the office plaything was true with how he reacted
@@RandomGamerCory Yeah you're right. He should be a big strong macho man like you, a sonic fan.
Calm down Cory, he's not your dad.
@@RandomGamerCory Geoff will do more sitting on his ass than you'll do your entire life. Have some respect.
@@mccovalova oh no i make lil videos with game characters and have some characters in a pic i made a decade ago ahhh
i better sit down in front of a camera and start crying over a kid thats not mine and blm
or tell depressing stories of having no desire in life to do anything but turn on cnn on a shitty laptop and fall asleep
or a be a drunk for 40 years
honestly if me making stupid videos on youtube will be the saddest thing in my life im happy with that
@@1ztype343 ya like make money playing and recording games and got lucky doing it at the time when most game/movie companies took your content down for using assets
have a kid that dislikes him, have a wife who cheated on him with anything that moves, got pegged by said wife, drunkard for 40 years, breaks down crying at the dumbest shit, go to sleep depressed every night watching cnn, cant even remember half his life from the drinking.
the dude made a company playing video games most successful youtubers do that hes not some hero, i used to like geoff a lot when i watched achievement hunter in the golden years hes just become such a sad sad man on camera since than
and notice unlike geoff i wont make a video crying about wanting to come beat you up lol
Seeing Geoff as a kid and growing up watching them all it hit me so hard seeing him plead out loud through the veil of humor his sadness. I didn’t understand it because I myself didn’t understand mental health and drank to combat my sadness. Geoff’s cry for help urged me to get help and reevaluate who I kept close. Thank you for the video it brought back a lot of bittersweet memories but has made me who I am today. People like Geoff just need someone to hear him not just listen.
Except constantly crying about it in a video for everyone to see isnt really helpful to his mental state. It reeks of being addicted to a "Pity Party". He wont improve as long as he is online
@@orionhan2431 bad take. You’re only judging someone in the lens of what you publicly see about them. Realize that and have some empathy.
I don’t think I’ve ever left a RUclips comment, ever.
But holy shit. Listening to him talk was honestly gut wrenching.
I can’t imagine.
Same ...it hurts
I always thought Geoff was the tough guy of the AH crew. Turns out I was wrong. If there's one thing I've learned from years of working around nothing but guys, it's that you either have a thick skin, or you grow one quick. The constant insults, the crude humor. I wish guys could learn to show a little more respect for each other, but that's just not going to happen.
"The many grooming allegations that require a spreadsheet to keep track of."
Oh no...
What's the point if comments like this? Yeah, we all watched the video too 🤡
Oh hai, CJ.
@@BudMasta What's the point of comments like this? Mad about nothing lmao
@@BudMasta It's like the scary movie you can't watch, but I scroll to comments to know what to expect about the video and if I really want to watch it.
@@mechanomics2649 who's mad? Can you imagine the internet where everyone just said "i agree" or even worse reddismisms like "THIS^" to everything everyone else said? Every post and comment would be unreadable. Commenting a quote from the video EVERYONE JUST WATCHED definetely comes off as tism behavior.
I feel so fucking bad for Geoff man. You can hear the absolute pain in his voice through so many different clips. This company was this man's entire life he so obviously put every bit of his soul into it and that panel where he said he missed just being in a room with the original group, you can tell the thing he missed most was his friends. He just wanted to have his old friend group back, he obviously didn't care that it was this big successful thing at that time because money can't replace people, money can't put things to how they used to be when the company had started and it was still what it was meant to be. Friends getting together and enjoying games together. I really hope that things get better for the guy going forward cuz I had to pause the vid a few times when Geoff is like that, especially when the layoffs happened and all those people lost jobs, the dude is on the verge of tears the entire time and it just hurts so much to hear that coming from what I always felt was the funniest dude in the company.
I honestly think that the whole thing has just been awful for him- I think the difference between him and the others is that they felt stable enough in life outside of the company to move on, whilst's Geoff's life outside the company hasn't gone great, so it's sort of the thing he's still keeping doing because it is stable and reminds him of better times.
Doesn't help that he chose a now ex-wife that emasculated him at every turn and is sexually abusing their child
@@frogfinance4605What?
@@frogfinance4605 You're going to have to explain that one to me, I looked it up and the only potential thing I can find are some "leaked clips" on only fans and god only know I'm not paying to watch shit like that.
Calm down, he made cartoons.
To this day "Brownman has left the game" is the saddest thing I've ever read, he went to do what he wanted, which is cool, but I'll always miss the dynamic of the era
And the worst thing is that you could still enjoy the nostalgia of the older content but that was tainted with the RH controversy
@@UrbinoZokin yup
I think super best friends final was worse
@@christopherrapczynski204 I experienced BOTH Ray's was more instant where SBF made me go "oh sure ok they'll release the rest of the LP's and then quit" When in fact that was not the case they'll stop on the spot where they left off "right there" which was build up to a horrid gut feeling. They both hit the same for me but the rate of getting there was different.
@@Sonicfalcon16 Hey at least Woolie and Pat came back together for DMCV. What sucks is it likely won't happen for DMC6 since they live on opposite sides of the country now.
Geoff always felt like a tragic character in this story, and you capture that really well in this video. He was roped into this whole thing because he wanted to do something fun with his friends, and it grew out of control. He didn't even realize it had ruined his life until it was too late.
Not to say he's a perfect cinnamon bun, he definitely contributed heavily to his tragedy, but that doesn't make it less tragic.
I’m just happy he stopped being an alcoholic, he seems so much more happier now!
It was pretty tragic to hear. And then the daughter part was really depressing. Hoping his life is in a good spot now though
@@TurbidTG1 turbidddddd :') also yes I agree
He facilitated the toxic environment at RT and covered Haywood's misdeeds up for years. He deserves everything he's gotten. Especially when you consider how he behaved during the #kickvic drama. Karma's a bitch.
@@GetBenched2010 I don't understand, where is the proof he was aware of and covering up haywood's actions?
The less Burnie ran things, the more downhill it went IMO. I know he himself chose to more into more of a creative role, but I think his guiding vision was so important in making the RT I loved. Now that he's gone they're completely unrecognizable.
Yeah I could not agree more with this. Burnie was the creative force behind the company. As the company very quickly grew beyond his control you could see things unravel. It's extremely sad.
He kinda corporatized/commercialized the whole company did he not?
I feel like out of the original founding fathers, Geoff, Burnie, and whether you like him or not, Joel, were probably the most key. Each of these people had different talents; Burnie had the vision and the foresight, he knew what needed to be done to make RT what he wanted it to be, and knew who to ask when he was in the dark. He scouted out talent, sought out opportunities, and exploited them to immense success despite his peers' doubts. His general intelligence, competence, and realistic understanding of his own abilities and limitations made him the best CEO RT ever had. Geoff seemed to have the strongest connection to the community and to the social aspect of the company; always the most emotionally sensitive member of the 5, he was never afraid to get personal, to tell personal anecdotes and to speak from the heart, and his decision to create Achievement Hunter, despite the negative consequences it had for his older friendships, was one of the best decisions in the history of the company. AH was really the face of daily RT for many people, especially the RUclips community, where they got most of their views. Fostering a group of talented, funny people with great onscreen chemistry and genuine offscreen friendships as THE premier group to see the RT community more often than any other department, a fact than holds true even in these waning days, was a stroke of genius. And Joel, for all of his spicy hot-takes, seemed like the most financially savvy person in the 5, if not the whole company. Securing a series of brand deals, sponsorships, and making more than a handful of shrewd investment decisions behind the scenes formed a stiff backbone to an otherwise back-breaking expansion that no-doubt played a key role in keeping RT alive as long as it did.
And all of them are smart as hell, no doubt about it. Burnie was the president of a successful and growing company at the time he quit RT. He literally was the last person to quit his old job, not because he was scared, or because he doubted the success of RT, but because he just was just so happy and fulfilled with his crazy successful and lucrative day job. I bet anything he took a pay hit at first when he went to RT full time. Joel managed to keep up a career in acting in LA despite never landing a major role; with bit parts and extra roles alone, Joel managed to stay in the gray in LA for the better part of a decade before joining RT, and as mentioned before, his financial savvy was probably very important to early-to-mid RT. He claims he helped bring in 10s of millions of dollars for RT during his career and honestly, I don't doubt it. And according to an anecdote by Burnie, when Geoff Ramsey joined One Support, he was coming in as an inexperienced, uneducated army vet, making 8 bucks an hour, and he already had plans to buy a house for a minimal down payment, with nothing to back it up but his crappy wage and his veteran benefits. And he made it work. 'Nuff said.
Matt, to me, always seemed like kind of a weaker Burnie; similar skill set, but outshined in every category; not as sharp, ambitious, or visionary. He always seemed like he was trying to emulate the success of others, as opposed to Burnie who always envisioned creating his own platform and finding his own path to success, even if that meant treading unknown waters. And Gus, as much as I like him, if any of the founding fathers was just along for the ride, it was probably him. He serves as an entertaining host and relatively likable unscripted, but he never struct me as having the genuine talent or foresight that the other did. He always seemed like he was kind of just banking on RT being successful forever, or else he'd be done for.
@@skwerleyz No, that was the guy who replaced Burnie shortly afterwards.
While I agree, I do think that his ambition for RT to keep going higher and higher but in reality not having enough resources or the talent too ultimately would have catched up to him as well.
The main reason they sold in the first place was so they could do more expensive and bigger reaching projects, so it would have happened with him or without him in charge. While in reality they should have just grounded in their niche they had and expand within that but instead they got to close to the sun and burned.
Update as of mid-2023: Achievement Hunter is gone.
Update to the update-as of early 2024: Rooster Teeth is gone
@@ratch58 i saw this coming when they started always boasting about how RT is now a "corporate company" and they were always like.. weirdly proud about having to have all these meetings w/ ppl they don't know and just.. ehhhh. True shame. I miss the peak RT days, there was so much amazing content coming out consistently for quite a long time
@stewskeys I know it seems for the past 7ish years RT was just a rotting corpo skin suit. I miss what they were not what they became.
Was looking for this! 😂.
"Rooster teeth is dead and warnerbrothers killed it behind the shed"
@@ratch58Update to the update to the update as of mid-2024: The company is now officially defunct after announcing they would shut down in early 2024
God, my big red flag was when they kept buying up these mildly successful youtube channels by the pound, then those channels either collapsing, rebranding, or being absorbed into some other channel within two years. FunHaus saw moderate success, but definitely suffered a loss of major staff in a quick period.
Funhaus stabilized after that. They lost what, 2-3 supporting people fast. But Adam, James, Elyse, Bruce and Lawrence held down the fort for years after that
Makes me wonder what would’ve happened if Inside Gaming hadn’t ended.
exactly. what ever happened to cowchop?
I was a huge inside gaming, then a funhaus fan, but I stopped watching funhaus regularly after Bruce left, then I stopped completely within a couple months after. I also fizzled out from watching AH after ray left. I tried to watch rwby on their app during season 4 or 5, but it was so buggy that I had to stop watching it since I didn’t want to pay a membership fee to a platform that was so unreliable.
@@xWORLDxCHAMPIONx It would be Funhaus with less of a budget and then eventually end altogether after Machinima fell.
There was just this point a few years back watching Achivement Hunter where I suddenly stopped feeling like I was watching a real group of normal guys sat in a room having fun playing video games together, and was instead watching a group of employees being paid large amounts of money to sit in a room and act like they were having fun playing video games together, and I could never really get back into it after that point. It lost that organic feeling and I just felt like I had nothing in common with these guys anymore
I felt the same feeling around 2015. I stopped watching completely around 2016. The lack of the Original Crew really messed with the chemistry.
That's a good way to put it, I miss the true anger they would feel. It made those moments they would joke way better. Because your right they used to be a group of friends. Now they are all just co workers.
I think after they entire ryan thing I just couldn't watch anymore his banter with the group was the last bit of glue
For me it was whenever they moved into that aircraft hanger. The second they moved out of that one office for me it started to lose a lot of magic. Then with Ray leaving was the mail in the coffin for me
It kind of reminds me of Top Gear.
When Jeremy Clarkson got into a fight with someone on BBC and was fired, Richmond and James Top Gear with him because they were genuine friends with each other.
BBC tried to keep Top Gear on life support by replacing them with other celebrities that didn't really know each other that well and it showed, they didn't mess with each other as the original trio did, the banter wasn't real, neither were the reactions to the banter, the new Top Gear crew were just strangers acting like friends.
Most Top Gear fans just moved on to The Grand Tour which the original trio started because their chemistry was real and infectious, you can't replicate that.
It wasn't this past series of Minecraft YDYD, but the previous one where Matt had an aviary and Geoff, Michael, Lindsay, Jack, Trevor, Gavin, and Fredo were all there as well. The first few episodes were so pure, everyone was having a good time playing with one another that they didn't enforce the YDYD rule for at least the entire first episode (and if I remember right, they just gave everyone three lives when they officially started playing YDYD to give one another more time to play together). It felt like such a solid throwback and everyone (especially Geoff) acknowledged it straight up, that it just felt like old times. And it really did. The chemistry lit back up despite it being dormant for, by that point, years. Never forgot that series, at least until it spilled into the Achievement world mini-games and such, slowly moving back into this new direction.
It pains me seeing Geoff trying his hardest to keep the company alive. The fact he's cried so much it hurts me and makes me wanna give him a hug.
He cried because some unlikable oppression Olympics contender got ratioed. 😢
@@Undying3001 not gon lie. As a black man, that shit annoyed me how she was going on her shit. Especially when she said she was ashamed for being black at times. Idc how bad and or crazy shit gets or how medias/ social media paints my people. I’ll be damned to say that shit. Then goes onto other fem victimized splainin. Nah
@@Undying3001 He cried because he could no longer pretend that the community wasn't hurting him. He knows what it's like to have a wall built up for years come crumbling down.
You sound like a weird person
Geoff is probably the only creator left at RT where if he left, I'd still follow him. Dude's not perfect. But he seems like one of the few people who went into RT for all the right reasons. Everybody else seems to have started for the right reasons, before eventually losing their way somehow. No matter what happens with RT, I really hope Geoff reaches happiness.
I got to say, Ray left at the perfect time when he did.
Glad he got out before things got bad
69th like. Nice. Nice.
And same. Loving his streams. Found he was streaming ages later he left as i missed that minecraft vid and got confused for a long time
I feel the same about Lawrence, Bruce and recently Matt Bragg. While Matt was fired, seeing all three of them, along with Ray, manage to stay afloat by streaming and other ventures, without the need for RT, warms my heart.
Ray was my favorite and while I was sad he left, I agree that it was likely for the best for him.
him leaving started the downfall of RT. glad he got out when he did. been watching his streams 6 years now
I don’t want Rooster Teeth to burn, never wanted them to fail. At a certain point they moved away from being a bunch of friends hanging out to trying to out-do RUclips, netflix, Amazon. It’s not what kept me engaged the years before. They changed, and a lot of people didn’t think for the better. I just hope in the years to come, things get better, they return to being a place of comfort, a haven for the misunderstood nerds who like cool weird things.
It's basically just a history of friendship podcast but listening to ANMA is probably one of the best things I've listened to from RoosterTeeth in ages. Geoff and Gus just chatting about Austin + their stories around places is great to me. But damn I wish I could have old RT Podcast + Off Topic, etc. Before the pandemic I started to drift away, but the content just got stale really quick, it feels like they went for their own trends etc to chase views. Really sucks.
Rooster teeth took a turn from the fuck you fuck it channel, to the woke channel
They got woke, they went broke... That was the nail in the coffin. They kept bringing on what basically amounted to diversity hires, who were great doing their own content, but didn't fit with everything RT were doing, and yet RT tried to force them into everything anyway, which just brought all the content down a fair bit. There was the coloured chick they brought on who was actually really cool and fun doing her own stuff and content she cared about, but when they kept trying to force her into the Minecraft stuff which she clearly hated, and she would spend the ENTIRE VIDEO MOANING, COMPLAINING, AND SAYING IT WAS STUPID, it just ruined the whole thing. The infamous Minecraft Assault Course 2.0 video was probably the breaking point for a lot of people. it's a shame how a company that used to just be some nerds having fun, tried to pander to the woke crowd and so ended up getting devoured by them, because as we all know, you can never be woke enough and there will ALWAYS be those in the far left who have a problem with something. It sucked ALL the joy out of RT and AH, and just killed the escapism aspect when the agenda stuff started getting SO HEAVILY shoved into the content. Diversity hires are fine, but LET THEM DO THE CONTENT THEY'RE GOOD AT! Hiring a black person for the sake of saying you have a black person, then trying to shove them into EVERY PIECE OF CONTENT is not only blatant tokenism, but just built resentment towards the person in question. I remember she got so much hate after that minecraft assault course video and it wasn't her fault. She didn't want to do it, she didn't want to be there, but they made her and it sucked. The fans hating on her for that were way out of line and i hope she went on to better things because RT treated her so badly especially early on. Idk if she's still there or not, but i hope not. She seemed like a genuinely cool person (sorry i can't remember her name it's been like half a decade since i watched RT/AH stuff now so my memory is not great).
I agree with Calv that the ANMA podcast might be up your alley. As someone who listened to RT Podcast from Drunk Tank days, it's nostalgic as fuck.
@@Calv_ I personally feel the podcast is better again now that they're in studio. I love Brian when he comes on too, he brings in that old man energy too Lol
I see a lot of well-deserved talk about Geoff, but I've always had a soft spot for Gavin & Michael. I found Rooster Teeth through the Rage Quit videos and their dynamic was always so fun.
Same. Rage Quit No Luca No was the very first video I watched. Got hooked ever since. I hate what happened to the people affected by Ryan, but ever since he was fired from the company, AH hadn't been the same.
@@prosklystios imho everything started going downhill once ray left, and then went even further to shit when everything that happened with Ryan came out and he was fired.
@@purplewolfranger22 I don't think it went that badly down hill after Ray left. Everyone is stuck hard on somehow him having been the big thing that held them all together or that he carried everything. Ray was funny sure, but he wasn't ungodly funny or entertaining. I wasn't the slightest bit upset when he left and enjoyed Jeremy when he came into the group. I think it started to actually really fall when Monty died, and then the shit with Ryan came out and it's just been worse.
@@snyperwulffgaming9575 the 6 guys with Ray was just a better mesh imo. And a lot of people's. Jeremy is fine but AH with Ray was the golden age. Him leaving was a huge blow.
@@snyperwulffgaming9575 It was less him leaving that signaled the eventual downside but more WHY he left.
He jokes about it all the time on his stream, how if he had stayed he be recording episode 1,000,000 of Minecraft.
He left because the content was starting to seriously become… derivative, I guess? That’s probably not the word I’m looking for.
It was the start of the business going corporate in mentality. Same shit, different day.
Being a Rooster Teeth fan around 2010-2014 was such a pleasure.. I can't remember the point exactly when I drifted away from it as a fan.. but I can remember how much I loved the content in those earlier days with Burnie, Geoff, Gus and co.. I remember getting off work late at my shitty student summer job and looking so forward to watching RT when I got home. This was super interesting, especially to see what happened after, but also sad - and disappointing - in the end. Geoff especially tugs at my heartstrings. :(
Yeah, I started around 2012.
I go back and watch the old stuff from time to time for the nostalgia, but the new stuff just don’t hit the same.
We all just grew up
The content was interesting for a time.. i guess I pulled away because most of the content were just too childish?
@@jamesjiao Personally for me, I just think it was after Ray left that kind of was the final straw. Change in the formula was always making RT somewhat harder to watch, and 2015 was not a good year with both Monty's passing and Ray's leaving along with two people who just weren't Ray coming in to "fill the void", for me the corporate side of RT was starting to become more apparent around that time.
I stopped watching when Ray left-
Whelp it aint "on the verge" anymore.
Feels real good
The way you explained setting up a LAN party made me age 50 years.
Glad I'm not the only one. Wait 'till the audience hears about dial up modems. Seriously though, it's pretty solid and to the point summary.
Me and my friends had 16 player halo lan parties, was such fun and simpler times.
@@Sweetguy1821 Same, but ours was only 8, but it was still really fun
As a kid I would have given my left leg to work at rooster teeth, now you couldn't pay me three salaries to work there. It's gut wrenching to see how much everything has changed in ever single way. Atleast ray and Gavin's channels are still making great content.
Jeremy's too
It's weird how fans of them who eventually worked they're never seemed to last longer than a year
They shouldn't have gone woke. They turned their back on its fanbase because inclusivity
@@kane357lynch What do you mean by this?
Sure
I know I fell out of rooster teeth but reading through these comments it seems a lot of us did around the same time. I don’t like to dunk on the new crew bc people and companies grow and change (and I like them all, mostly) but the dynamic was so different. On the old crew it seemed like there was always someone to be the straight man, on the new crew everyone wants to deliver the punchline. The joke never lands bc everyone tries to one up the joke and it goes on and gets louder, it gets exhausting.
This is honestly the reason I stopped watching ah. The old crew would have times when some of them wouldn't talk and others would be doing funny, there were moments of "silence". Now everyone is talking and screaming all the time and you can never stop and catch a break.
Yes, same, it was interesting to read these comments and find old fans who left around the same time I did (there was not a specific moment or bad feelings, I just kind of disconnected from the content at some point there). I'm sure new fans emerged around that time, but I think there was definitely a switch flipped around 2015
I joined the site in ‘05, before season 3 of RVB. I watched the shows evolution, the crews evolution, the contents evolution, the sites evolution, and more and more it became less about the community. There were so many new shows and podcasts and the site became new crew or cast member I had never heard of pushing new shows I didn’t care about and the community aspect just became harder to be involved with.
The podcast became overly produced, more complicated than it needed to be. When it became regularly live streamed with a set and production staff and stage hands and a control room and the personalities went up to eleven it all started to feel performative. The drunk tank years of the podcast, with the revolving shitty songs but mostly consistent cast (Burnie, Gus, Geoff, Joel, and…ugh, Jack or Matt), it felt like a peek into the breakroom for an hour of just these guys we liked talking about stuff we’re interested in. Then as the company became more successful, it was homes in LA, owning Teslas, flying first class internationally to cons where people waited hours for their autographs, like fuck off. Burnie was the only thing keeping me on the podcast and when he finally left the it I never listened to a new episode. I still listen to the old episodes(200 and under usually) consistently.
RVB became so convoluted, it should’ve ended after season 5, should’ve ended after season 8, but 10 was really where I was done with it. When they moved into filming in Halo 4 and dealing with the federalists and Locust or whatever I just couldn’t keep with the nonsense.
The people weren't being themselves anymore and trying way too hard to be funny...which made it worse. Trevor is a great example.
And then it devolves into just screaming lmao AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
R.I.P Roosterteeth.
Thanks for all the years of laughs and happiness that you guys brought us during our time growing up.
Roosterteeth may die, but it will never be forgotten.
The start up of RT and Monty's story is honestly pretty inspirational; Rather sad things went the way they went.
it is how it goes 90% of thw time.
Starts all nice and happy and cool
and it either dies after a few years
or
it starts rotting from fhe inside
Monty has been rolling in his grave a lot after his death..
That's just factually wrong. He died of an allergic reaction during a routine procedure at the dentist.
@@shockrobin5000 stress is a contributor tho.
The most healthy people are those with least amount of stress in their lives.
@@johnynoway9127 Except that has nothing to do with unknowingly being wildly allergic to a local anaesthetic and nobody having an EpiPen or similar nearby.
This whole time, Rooster Teeth was a joke name which coded “Cock Bite” into a business friendly form… I’m so mad I never knew this
Tbf it doesn’t really translate, it makes half sense when you know the context, but even then it’s a reach lol.
same i've been a fan for about a decade now and it never clicked lmao
as someone who only saw like 3 RT videos back in the day i thought it was a spin on the phrase "like hen's teeth" which describes somethings extreme rarity.
@@Headspr0uter same... pretty sure thats actually closer to the truth
@@William-Morey-Baker I don't think so. I'm like 90% sure their logo is officially called the cock bite.
God I remember watching that podcast where Geoff was talking about Millie and being lonely. When I was younger I chuckled like everyone else at the table but now being a veteran having battled my own loneliness, I feel horrible for not recognizing that he was essentially screaming for help. I fell off rooster teeth/ AH awhile ago, I hope he is doing better.
@@emcoates9290 thank you I will have to check that out.
Uh, no disrespect, but if he was "screaming for help", why didn't he outright say so? I'll never understand that weird beating around the bush/posturing that people do.
@@mrreyes5004 Because sometimes people dont want to outright say it, either due to backlash or anything else. Its just how some people are LOL
@@mrreyes5004 Are you one of the lizard people i've been heard about? It's hard being vunerable, especially in front of possibly hundreds of thousands of people.
@@mrreyes5004Great question, I can only speak to my experience and trauma from the military, and I am gonna go out on a limb and say that Geoff has similar aspects. I am not saying his military service created trauma but in order to get service members to do really shitty jobs the army instills some very good methods of denial when it comes to recognition of stress, weakness and PTSD. This is not a bad thing the army does, it needs soldiers to embrace the suck to get the job done for lack of a better term. The downside to that means that when soldiers or veterans need help they do not get/ ask for it, it’s a sign of weakness or we don’t wanna even admit we have issues do to the culture that was instilled in us. I along with many other veterans where and still am terrified to address our issues because of army culture/ indoctrination. Now add to the fact that Geoff was apart of the culture as well as being in a society that did not really except mental health issues until recently (even more so for males until very recently) and is a public figure. That a bad combo for for admitting issues let alone addressing them.
hello to everyone who came back to this video for no particular reason and there was definitely not a notable event that happened yesterday or anything
I don't remember when Burnie said it, but he said something along the lines of "you shouldn't strive to work at RT, you should want to build your own RT" I grew up wanting to work there more than anything, but Im glad I heard that advice early on. You never know how things will change, companies, peoples, etc.
So…did you ever create your own RT?
You can always leave a company though. It's like when people were first laid off at Game Informer and then Ben Hanson left to form MinnMax with other editors. He got to do both, which is why I never fully understood the quote from Burnie all these years.
I think at this point the advice should be "You shouldn't strive to work at RT you should strive build something better than RT."
I thought about this quote during the bit about the interns. Extra sad considering we know how often Brunei was asked on how to work for his company.
I will always care for Geoff way more than the other members. The way he always seems to actually care when something goes down with the company, He always the one that seems to put his true feelings or concerns out. Especially when he breaks down it kills me alil cuz I feel like hes put so much of himself into the company. Its just sad seeing him having to waste more of himself on a company that doesnt really seem to care.
Geoff seems like the last heart of the company, for better and worse. I just want him to be happy, because this company not only brought him some of his highest highs, but it seems to have etched some permanent lows.
He's such a silly, fun dude most of the time so it's really jarring seeing him get real like that. He gets genuine now and then but to see him break down like that was something else. It's always upsetting to see such fun guy get beaten down by life like that and I wish nothing short of the best for him.
Agreed, honestly it seems like RT kind of broke him.
@@chickencurry420 being like 15 at the time watching my hero cry over being a failure when all I ever did was look up to him broke my heart more than once and still does any time I see the clips. Geoff is and always will be a treasure, no matter what he does. The golden days are long gone and I don't think any new hot trend will ever replace the dawn of Let's Plays and the explosion of internet personalities. I was lucky to grow up in its prime
@@ruralgoblin I'm with you! So grateful to have come of age in the golden age of the internet. Before influencers and celebrity culture came in and laid waste to what was the best time to be consuming online media.
People who didn't grow up with the 2009-2014 era of RUclips will never understand how crazy and new and awesome things were. As stupid as it might sound, Rooster Teeth was pretty much the MTV of the early 2010s. Popular internet personas, tons of skit shows and news segments series, AHWU, The Know, RT Animated Adventures, LETS PLAYS. It was awesome, and I miss those years often. My heart will always go out to Geoff, Jack, Gus, Burns and any of the core AH members. They're all too good for what the internet and rooster teeth have become. 2012 era AH is a relic of a time where there were no internet politics, where you couldn't be policed by big business and people were experimenting and constantly expanding on a platform that had incredible potential. They were all abused by a system they revolutionized. It's a goddamn tragedy.
they had me at "why are we here"
You are spot on with the MTV comparison. It was so awesome being on the edge of that content during that period. It was all fresh, from the heart.
Lol of course you're whining about politics
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 you're the only one whining about it. Simply mentioning and being negative are completely different. Plenty of people don't go to a entertainment video to hear people preach about politics cope
@@rushpatriot2866 Exactly what I think. I think most people use media (like youtube and gaming) as an escape from reality, so why should we be dragged back into it?
I remember when Bungie added Grifball as an actual game mode in halo reach, it was so awesome to see. It really is sad that that whole era of gaming/entertainment is dead and gone… only to be replaced by soullessness
It debuted in Halo 3. I miss those days.
Geoff has a good soul. He's a good man. He's an honest man. I hope nothing but good thing in his life after all these trials and tribulations.
Same
I hope he can find time to just play video games with his friends once again.
@@Jay_Rainstorm I hope someday in the future Geoff uploads a video where its just him, Jack, Michael, Gavin, and Ray playing minecraft doing fuck all with shitty microphones, shitty capture cards, and last gen consoles, on a small ass cramped room.
Try listening to his and Gavin's podcast, F*ckface. Pretty good content, and Geoff sounds like he's having fun.
Jeff isn't a man. He's a boy. A femcog boy. He needs to grow up.
Truly wish the best to Geoff. Seems like a person who turned his life around and is picking up the pieces. I hope life goes better for him.
I'm not sure how long ago you stopped watching RT but he thankfully genuinely seems to be doing better! He's continued staying sober, he recently got a new girlfriend after his divorce from griffin, he's lost and kept off a bunch of weight, he's super big into bicycling, both for exercise and as a way to spend time with Miley :), and he started a new podcast with Gavin called F***Face (f*** face) in which he seems as energetic and excited as he did a decade ago. I'm so genuinely happy for him, if anything tragic were to ever happen to him I'd be devastated, he's honestly like a dad I never had.
@@sirajjiwani128 I stopped around 2014 but I'm glad to hear he's doing well. Honestly even the divorce surprised me, didn't know about it till I watched this vid.
Dick ridaaaaa
His life is going great by the sound of it. I listen to Fuckface (His and Gavin's podcast) regularly and it seems like his life is going just how he wants it to, and he's having a lot of fun with it. Plus I recommend anyone who likes the "old" RT/Achievement Hunter vibes listen to that podcast, it's great.
@@sirajjiwani128 ayyy that's good to hear, hope things continue to get better for him and everyone else
The fact they not only completely changed Screwattack into Death Battle, but also nuked the entire catalogue of non Death Battle videos still pisses me off. A decade worth of gamer media destroyed to make it easier for nerds to see if Goku could fuck Twilight Sparkle up in a fight.
Death battle is literally shit too.
From animation quality to inaccuracies, it fucking sucks.
Og screwattack was had so many good videos and I wish I downloaded the videos.
THANK YOU. I feel like no one ever talks about how they killed off screwattack, and as a big fan throughout middleschool and highschool , its definitely what soured me on RT as a whole. Even before all the different shit went down.
@@MingeBorea It's weird because the only thing I like from Rooster Teeth is death battle
@@MingeBorea animation quality is hit or miss.
They did wonderful with raiden vs excalibur as well as thor vs sun wukong being unique to count recently. It all just depends on what your going for.
i still like Death Battle...
The death of Monty and RT's inability to end the series that he had put literally everything he had into was the last straw for me. The man came in, made on of the HYPEST series at the time, literally breaking the internet with his TRAILERS, and RT seemed so hungry to keep milking that cow rather then accepting that it would never ammount to being the true passion project Monty intended it to be.
Dang. Seeing the old videos of them just hanging out is depressing. Seeing a bunch of friends with a dream turn into a corporate was sad, but to be expected.
Honestly i wish if RoosterTeeth were gonna down this bad, i think they should make a heart felt video that ends their reputation in a bang or a good ending instead of the dwindling decline.
@@RickySama240 once RWBY starts to get really bad in terms of reception and money I think they will have to shut down. They still have their huge studio and large number of employees not to mention the expensive equipment they use. I think all of the money they made in prior years will dry up soon.
Wow Monty animated the all four RWBY trailers in just 2 weeks? Damn dude was a machine.
You have no idea.
all while maintaining his own personal project: Dead Fantasy, a crossover between Dead or Alive (the fighting game series known more for its female cast being buxom babes, versus its fairly intuitive and fun gameplay), and Final Fantasy. many of us knew him first through Haloid (shown in this very video) but then we encountered the first Dead Fantasy and...
he was extremely skilled. his passion projects were incredible.
he animated the Red Trailer in 2 weeks, not all 4. still an impressive thing to do. animation is difficult to do alone
If you’ve watched the RT Animated Shorts, this would come as no surprise. They specifically said “Yeah Monty pretty much just works and when he’s not working, he just sort of powers down!“ so he was nothing if not an absolute unit.
@@yosiyyahu.bar.stephen I thought they meant that he just comes in does his job and when there's nothing to do he goes into hibernation mode and sleeps like a robot
I’d say their problem is like this;
Every company has to decide if it wants to be a great company or a big company. There are pros to cons to both. Rooster teeth’s problem is that they refused to pick. They want to work on a variety of projects like a big company but try to make it intimate and passion driven like a great company. These things do not mesh so well.
Yeah, sounds about right to me.
But hot damn just because they tried we got some beautiful gems and side splitting laughs. RT was a threat to legacy media along with the other golden age RUclips channels, and I feel like the downward spiral of RT is a symptom of legacy media successfully sinking their hooks in and attempting to use the RT brand to artificially inject themselves into the top level alt media sphere without putting in the effort or learning the ropes of how that field works. Burnie and the founders literally helped build the culture that became RUclips so if anybody gets it they do.
I was an RT fan from 2008-2015. When Monty died, how the company handled his death behind the scenes when it came to Monty's creative projects, made a lot of people angry. I know whole swathes of the community started leaving. The views started to tank because we saw the disrespect to Monty and his wife plain as day, and it left a bad taste with everything. The sadness with Geoff was starting to kick in around this time too, and when Ray left it was like the last nail in the coffin. There was a sharp cutoff after RWBY got chewed up and spat out.
Pretty much me too
Yep. What they did really showed their true colors
What happened?
@@everythingpony with montys death?
Yes
Overexpansion definitely killed RT for me. Losing key personalities like Ray and later Burnie, and replacing them with a huge influx of new people and shows. They lost that close knit feeling that made their content fun to watch.
@Random Platypus with Internet Yep, same issue with the podcast. I started listening less because of how often the cast changed. It doesn't need to be the same people every time but there needs to be consistency.
I think you actually pinned the biggest issue. They were a personality driven company that changed way too quickly for viewers.
True, I loved AH, but couldn't keep up with all the new recent personalities. I think another thing that plays into the whole tight-knitt feeling is they stopped hiring community guys. Like Jeremy, Matt, and Trevor were massive in the AH community scene, whichto me, made them fit in much better than many of the other personalities they brought in.
I tried watching Ray's streams after he left, and every time I tuned in, it seemed like it was nothing but him thanking people for donations lol. I'm glad he's grateful, but it doesn't make for a good show.
@@chexmixkitty Honestly I can't even watch his streams lol, its like you said (and its like this for most popular streamers in general) its just chat with the superchats/donators and half paying attention to the game on screen.
I respect the hustle and he's making probably more money then any RT employee now, but i just can't watch his stuff.
I think of rooster teeth as being a symbol of the rise and fall of the internet. Once upon a time the internet was the wild west. Free, open, and had none of the baggage of tradional entertainment media industry. It fostered an environment for creatives that didn't exist before. It became so big that it challenged conventional entertainment as we knew it. It was a golden age and it was glorious leading to success of many and creation of great things. But all things must end, and like how the wild west eventually became settled and tamed, so did the internet. It got tamed. Too much money was at stake to be as wild any more. Greedy people came in once all the hard work was done to take full advantage of it without really knowing what it made great in the first place. Now the things that made it so great are gone and we can't do that any more, or at least as much. That wild west is just a memory now...kept alive by the legends it birthed and loved by the people who yearn for the freedom we can no longer have.
Edit; I'm coming back here now that RT has officially shut down and the last season of RVB finished. In keeping with the wild west theme, I feel like I just saw the last performance of Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. An era has finally ended and I'm not sure how to feel.
Maybe someone may come around inspired by the past and make something great just like how the western was inspired by what came before it. God willing that someone will have learned from not just RTs successes but also failures.
RIP Rooster Teeth. I don't believe in speaking ill of the recently deceased. So I'll just say I wish things turned out different. I really do.
I’ve been on RUclips since 2006 and this is literally one of the best comments I’ve ever seen. Very well said.
Amen to that, man. I use the exact same analogy when I talk about the internet of then versus the internet of now.
I remember when I got my first advertisement online, it was on Addicting games and I was so confused.
Now they're everywhere. Wild West is settled.
"I wish things were different. But it weren't us who changed."
Who here agrees that as long as Texas remains independent aka lazy, the media that comes from it will only get worse?
@@MinersLoveGames the wild is west is gone. All thats left are men with wild hearts with no where to go... im guessing that is why Burnie jumped ship when he did. He saw the writing on the wall and knew that he didnt belong there any more. So he left on his own terms rather than be forced out.
Hit the nail on the head. People can make legitimate livings off of RUclips and Twitch and the like but it’s come at a cost. The cost is that it all starts to feel the same since everyone is trying to chase the same trends and not piss off sponsors by being themselves or having original thoughts.
Rooster teeth hiring unpaid interns is really scummy. Tempting a carrot over these wishful kids. Pathetic decision making.
Land of the free baby.
Just emulating Silicon Valley...let's not pretend they invented that culture, at the very least.
I remember listening to the podcast from like 2014-2016 and thinking everyone that worked there were so lucky and prayed I’d be able to one day
@@bernlin2000 fuck Silicon Valley too. At no point did I say RT started it, so please don’t assume.
@@user-zo5jo3ox5g I was the same. I was watching the shorts in 2010 and just loving every release. I watched AH grow and become this massive entertainment source and I wanted to be a part.
I remember way back in the day when AH was just a bunch of dudes in a room playing on Xbox. I remember the first Minecraft episode where Ray and Michael had to play split screen, the old office that was too small to fit desks for everyone.
But when I found out about all the controversies and the toxic workplace, I was not surprised. The signs were all there when they started caring more about their image than their products.
We love Geoff because he was and has been open about his flaws and how he misses the simple times. We all can identify with that. I don’t care what that man does I hope he finds happiness. And for if RT being created was a mistake? No! This gave myself and so many others good times that turned into good memories. I will always be grateful for what they did.
@スケルスケル just like no one asked you
Dick ridaaaaa
Burnie always said that the Warthog going through the wall on Valhalla in season 8 was the changing point of the company. I’ve always agreed, but now, I think it’s the apex. Everything really went down from there. The future poor management of the animation side of the studio has really ate the company alive. And I agree with Geoff that many people have decried the end of rooster teeth for years, but having been around to know what mod points and the emodity was, I can only really look back and say the end is coming. And I’m not happy about it either. Rooster Teeth basically defined my personality. And I know the day will come soon when Rooster Teeth just isn’t a thing anymore.
Personally I think everything after Reconstruction was mediocre.
Now maybe it’s just me but I have to disagree with both of you. To me personally, the true definitive moment that could be considered the moment the company’s fate was sealed was Monty’s passing. From that moment on, rooster teeth was beginning its downward spiral that it continues on to this day.
@@normanmerrick9493 Nah, as bad as Monty dying was, a lot of the problems with the direction of the company started with Fullscreen buying the company.
Yeah, I remember the emodomy and karma system. God, that was ages ago. Website went to shit when they changed it. So much of that website and community shaped my teenage years because I was a loner in highschool. Even had a ldr with a girl I met on there and eventually met up with her irl.
No that was the end of season 13 of RvB. The perfect ending to the series and the best arc in the series.
I feel bad for Geoff. He seems like the type of man that just wants to spend time with those he cares about and love those close to him, and doesn’t care about the money. In the end those close to him drift away and to hear his own wife and daughter not respect him is one of the worst things a man can experience.
The real death of RT was in business direction and leadership. They tried to be a production studio to compete with things like Netflix, but they never had the in-house talent or budget to make serious inroads. They gave huge opportunities to their own staff when no one else in the industry would trust someone so inexperienced. They basically failed to definitively move themselves from web series creators to a professional studio. RWBY is led by inhouse talent with no external portfolio, gen lock was the same, a lot of their animated shows followed that mold. They keep falling into this middle ground between hobby passion project and industry-level production. But all the while they are charging as much as Netflix, or Disney+, or HBO max. They have basically picked a fight with the biggest kids on the block, and are now getting mugged in slow motion. Gaming moved to Twitch and the donation model, podcasting is an incredibly oversaturated space, and they destroyed their community goodwill through controversies and price hikes. Their content model has stagnated, and everyone else either caught up or moved on to the next thing. They had a loyal, matured (wealthy) fanbase that they completely squandered. Nowadays there's a whole surge of talk shows that are very profitable, focused around live donations, an attractive studio, and engaging personalities. RT had all the necessary resources to pivot, but like so many other trends, they just missed the boat.
I'm not sure what idiot at RT thought it was a good idea to have 12 different podcasts but they need a serious talking to.
i always felt that was the issue too
their voice acting and overall production quality betrayed them, it felt like they were an xbox 360, playing cutting edge titles, doing cutting edge things, at the cost of horrible quality while doing it
Absolutely this, there is no reason why RWBY is being led by two guys that have no previous production credit. Once the main creative force in Monty passed away, someone else should have stepped in as everything the show was most heavily criticized for was the responsibility of those that took over the show, i.e. Miles and Kerry. RWBY and Gen:Lock are massive productions that require a lot of moving parts to work in tandem with one another, there's already an issue of scope there with the resources RT had so adding inexperienced management on top of that was a recipe for disaster. Miles and Kerry didn't have any sort of animation experience to be in charge of an animation production, they didn't have any sort of writing experience either to be head writers for the series, and while I think it's kind of cool that RT gives inexperienced creatives a chance, you should still always always have someone at the helm that knows what they are doing. It's a massive red flag if a junior animator enters a production with more animation experience than the production leads.
It’s sad growing up and seeing that the company you loved as a kid turned into a hollow, blackened shell of what it was when you loved it.
Gutted and stripped by a *woke* soulless corporate machine.
absolutely. i was 12 when i started watching, and now at 23... theres just nothing left there anymore. i tried to stick it through after ryan (bc i really love alfredo and trevor) but it just got harder and harder with every video and now its unbearable
Kinda how g4 has been since it’s return as well
I remember coming home from school and spending hours watching RT and Machinima content
Same. I think RT and AH will always live in my heart. They shaped my childhood along side people like pewdiepie, cinnamontoastken, chaotic monkey and so forth
when Burnie explained that Monty died, its taking him everything to not cry and such
After seeing what they did to rwby be glad he died to not see how they ruined his baby.
I stopped paying attention to RT in 2015 (roughly), and it seems like that was the best time to jump ship considering how devastating the company's downward spiral was. Out of the whole crew it seems like Geoff was one of the few guys who truly wanted to do something fun with friends, but instead he had to run a company with shitty business partners and colleagues. I sincerely hope he finds his happiness again after being beat down for so long, the guy absolutely deserves it.
The 2010's were really a terrible time to be one of the older breed of content creators who just wanted to have fun making videos. That was right around the time the corporate world had finally realized just how much profit they could squeeze out of the internet and the people using it, and if you weren't as good of a salesman as you were a personality, they would beat you down and pick your bones clean without a second thought.
I remember watching Fails of the Weak and listening to Geoff just explode in laughter. Those were good times.
The fact that this video didnt begin by asking the question "do you ever wonder why we're here?" is criminal.
1:25:17 one of the key parts of this time was not only did they raise the rates of first memberships, but they also turned off all active grandfathered accounts that were using PayPal. As a "consolation gift" for years of loyalty, they included a steam code for vicious circle.
That price increase was crazy, about as much as netflix at the time. I cancelled asap, luckily just before my yearly payment came out 😬
That explains how I have that game. And yeah that's when I just stopped paying for it too after several years. Can't say I ever played the game either.
Isn't that their failed videogame that the let's play crew stopped promoting?
@@spritemon98 how to tell when someone hasn’t watched the full video
Yeah i gave First a try when i was still watching their stuff many years back for the binge watching of RTAA, but then i found that half the RTAA's weren't even on there so i had to go find them on RUclips anyway, and i was like why am i paying such a lot, to access RTAA, when i'm having to still go hunt for them on YT?? So i cancelled and just kinda lost interest in anything else they had, since any of the good content was locked behind First after that as they attempted to make some profit. It's sad, but the way YT has changed over the last 20 years has definitely fucked them over too, as with a lot of creators.
Now that Roosterteeth has shutdown, I really hope the original 4 now have more time to hang out with each other again.
Hearing all the shit Geoff went through is gut wrenching. Especially the comment about his wife. He was always one of my favorite members of AH back when I watched, and seeing him go through all that shit just sucks. I truly wish him the best.
The fact that their company name as a whole began as a throwaway joke is kind of hilarious to me.
There are a lot of things you can point at a say "This is why they failed," but in my opinion, all of it really boils down to "It got to big for its britches." Too many projects, not enough funding, and not enough employees to handle the work load. They basically became the Buzzfeed of the gaming community.
Yeah agreed. It's easy to just point to the drama but as you said, it was just too much growth for the sake of growth. The d*ck scandals and death are good for a video because people like drama and emotion. However, that is nothing compared to overstretching your company and taking on more than you can handle. We see mega corporations try that and fail (look at Sony with handhelds, Netflix trying to compete with movie theaters, Ford investing heavily in Rivian), so it comes as no surprise that RT over-expanded.
Perfection comparison!
This video is about to blow up
Hoo boy, this is gonna be the first video of yours that I'm gonna struggle to actually watch. Rooster Teeth were a cornerstone of entertainment for me growing through my teen years, and it is difficult to see what's become all of them, like watching a friend waste away from a terminal illness.
The last act was pretty tough seeing Geoff come to terms with just how much people being shitty got to him. I almost wish I could go back to not knowing how bad things got for them.
Only person I feel bad for is Geoff. I’ve always loved him. He’s so genuine. This whole things gotta suck for him.
Honestly when the Ryan debacle started I was a little worried Geoff would forgo his sobriety and just go down the drain fast
He seems to be doing fine, he’s on two very successful podcasts right now.
He sacrificed his life, no kidding for this company.
Jeff has always been a father figure for me and it hurts to see him hurt.
There were a lot more people here to feel bad for than Geoff, but I still get you.
Goeff really was the rawest and most down to earth of all the people I remember and every time he had one of the sad stories or talked about how he hated his day I just felt so bad and it’s just hard to see him sad because he just wanted to have fun with friends but it became all about business.
Ray Narvaez kinda pulled a Sark from Machinima, in that they both pulled out essentially the ultimate heist of getting out of a company doomed to collapse slowly at their respective highest points
I stopped watching RoosterTeeth and LetsPlay when Ray left but it still pains me to see how far they’ve fallen. They were a big part of my childhood and early teenage years.
......how old are you now? (hoping still a teen or at minimum 21 as this is a weird way for an adult to react)
@@GrandisArcanum why is it weird? If someone liked Ray way more than anyone else I could understand it, and theres nothing immature about that. I still tune in here and there to all kinds of RT stuff but Burnie leaving was a huge drop off for me personally.
@@coyrex1250 same here. I moved down a ton in what I watched, down to just Geoff’s podcasts, and black box down sometimes.
@@GrandisArcanum how is that weird? It’s just like any artist you listen to if they replace a key member of the group it can completely change the dynamic of things and that’s exactly what happened when Ray left it didn’t feel organic everything felt forced it was no longer just a bunch of guys sitting down playing games together making dumb jokes and yelling at each other it felt more relatable when Ray was there with everyone
A lot of the OG community myself included stopped watching after ray left I first heard about RT from the rvb series later I found out about achievement hunter when it was only Jack and Geoff making the videos then they added Michael, Gavin, Ray, and regrettably Ryan, it all just felt more natural when the original group was there everyone played off each other so well I wanted to work for them growing up so badly it also makes me sad how far the shitter they went
I'm genuinely tearing up during the segments talking about Monty. We lost an amazing man, and incredible animator. He's the reason I presumed a career in 3D character animation. Because of RWBY I wanted to work at Rooster Teeth more than anything, but now kind of seeing where the company is gone it's heartbreaking, honestly that desire to work for them is completely gone now. Don't get me wrong Monty was and will always be an inspiration for the career path I chose to pursue but it's just not the same.
Truthfully, I think everything really started to fall apart when he died. He was a S-class animator: The speed and quality of the things he can produce...well, name another. I can't. Most big animation projects take a year, for anywhere from 5 minutes to 10. This dude was busting out entire trailers in two weeks and was a damn machine. The moment he died, they lost their damn best animator, of which they had basically hinged a huge amount of their quality upon. I cannot possibly start to even think about what he meant to Rooster Teeth.
To this day they still have not got an animator that is up to par with Monty.
@@BeyondtheBlade I still wonder how he did it, he's the bob ross of animation, he's fast at what he does, he seemed pretty cool and collected, and a genuine friend to hang out with.
If only Monty’s immune system actually cared about letting oxygen in ☹️
Yeah. And then the Company proceeded to Stab him in the back before his body was even cold.
They Slashed his Private Studio, Discredited Shane and Monty’s Wife, and Kathleen.
Downsized his workers and Erased All Of his personal Involvement, so Miles and Kerry could “Continue his Vision” by changing everything in RWBY.
@@devildolphin2102 Sounds juicy, I must admit. Any chance you have a reference point to share? I like every bullet I can add to my arsenal for the inevitable arguement against a RWBY-loyalist.
what makes their demise fascinating to me is that many of its peers like machinima, screwattack, channel awesome, yogscast, and others like it have been collapsing along side rooster teeth. it's fascinating witnessing a domino effect where a major channel dying can set off a chain reaction where many of their peers collapse with them
I think it’s less a cause then effect thing, but an overall trend of the dying off of these conglomerate channels-often for the same reasons, like (alleged) workplace abuse, increasingly stale content, original talent leaving, overexpansion, etc.
Yeah sometimes I think there's just a certain set life span for these sort of personality driven gaming channels, usually around 10 - 15 years.
I still miss Creaturehub and Cowchop at their prime
@@warlordofbritannia yeah they basically just happened to all make the same dumb mistakes that tend to happen when a small group of people accidentally make a multi million dollar business
“A Chain is As Strong As The Weakest Link...”
R.I.P Monty, I can’t believe how rooster teeth did him dirty with rwby, his vision for his show was altered dramatically after he passed away.
The Shane Letter opened my eyes to just how much and how quickly they Fucked everything up after he died.
@@randomcenturion7264how e?
@randomcenturion64 That Letter was just pages of a little bitch crying he didnt get promoted.
Miles and Kerry were the ones working with Monty on the show. Bullshit his wife had any say.
RT has 2 fail conditions at this point: Geoff leaving and RWBY ending. Once either of those happen, the company will probably go under. Worst part is that feel like for at least RWBY, the community has been very vocal in changes and directions that they dont like as well as what works and it just kinda seems like the creative team disregards it. As for Geoff, one man can only take so much of a burden before cracking and i would honestly rather see him leave the company than go completely under in a different way.
I wouldn't say RWBY ending would be a fail condition, because at some point the series has to end or be rebranded. It doesn't have the same concept as early RvB did where they could get away with more episodic content. That being said, while the writing was never stellar, it's gotten worse over time.
And for the scripted content, I feel that's what's been an issue with them, especially as the series became more serious in later seasons. I feel like Zero went in the right direction with a new cast, but I feel like it would have worked better if they treated it more as a reboot of the series. As for RWBY, I haven't watched the anime version but I'm hoping that turns out better. It's probably why they should have editors that either work outside of the company or something so that they can ask the questions of "Why this?" or "Where is this going?" and "Who is this person?"
As for Geoff, he'll eventually leave. Who will take his place, however, will be the interesting question.
@@cabutler1 Oh i probably worded it a bit badly, i meant its a fail condition if RWBY ends before its story is done, like if it gets cancelled. At this point volume 9 seems to be focused on this new realm, then we need at least 1 volume for the last relic and then probably 1 more volume to build up to the last attack, meaning we at the very least are looking at 3 volumes even if they rush the storyline. If the show ends after Volume 9 with no resolution? thaaats gonna be bad.
RvB Unfortunately suffered from jumping-the-shark-itis a bit too much, they basically made pretty good endings for the series on 4 seperate occassions... imagine if they beat Salem in RWBY and then just added a new bad guy. its kinda like that.
I didnt watch the last 2 seasons of RvB so maybe more things happend than i know but i really dont feel like watching them anyways.
I hope Geoff leaves eventually, id rather he leaves before everything crumbles tho so he gets to walk out with his head held high.
@@DeaminZaints > i meant its a fail condition if RWBY ends before its story is done
It will end this way because they very, very obviously have no end or arc in mind and every season end is designed to just be another meaningless cliff hanger.
Anyway the anime is good and actually inventive and well written. Shows what happens when you actually run your idea through a second draft or have people who actually have a modicum of professionalism working on it. I hope RT dies and just sells off the rights to RWBY to Shaft with no strings attached.
I don' t know how you got the idea that the staff doesn' t listen to people, but the writers said again and again that they care very much about the fanbase lol. They just don' t care about criticism that is done in bad faith ( and Miles in an interview even said that, despite being bad for his mental health, he often goes "I fucking hate this dude but he' s right and I can take this into consideration next time).
Tbh I think Rwby writing only got better as time went on, the community just doesn' t really know what they want, or wants something that Rwby will never be able to deliver because of scope/actual budget/what is actually is.
@@BuyMeThingsnow The anime is pretty bad ngl. I vastly prefer the original show
A lot of things are killing Rooster Teeth.
1. Not letting things die. The Best example I have of this is RvB. People loved the show, and it told great stories with great action. It had an amazing ending at Season 13. Sure, you can have the abridged season 14, that was fun too. And while I love the "How we got Here" episode, every season after 14 seems largely unnecessary. The Blues and Reds was good but not needed. The time Travel and gods was kinda too far and boring. Then they brought it back as Zero, basically just piggy backing off of RvB with none of the real stuff that made RvB. It was now not a comedy show, it was an action show with jokes.
2. Loss of that Community feeling. Watching the older shows and vids, the old Lab show (that was basically better and more fun Game Theory), the old Achievement Hunter, there is a sense of friendship. A lot of their jokes and bits really feel like a group of friends just hanging around, shooting the shit. Then the shows went bigger. A Million Dollars But... and the Science show ended (or got buried somewhere on their website). Achievement Hunter is now filled with a bunch of Streamers and VAs and RUclipsrs. None of them are bad, but that's not really why I watched AH.
3. The Scandals. Watching creators we liked or shows we loved turn out to have overworked and unpaid Animators (animators you would know were mostly college students who were basically interning at a company they loved), Grooming and SA scandals, so on and so forth... I know it was heart breaking for the people involved who were their coworkers and friends, but it was also heartbreaking to the fans. To the people who saw the group as a bunch of friends shooting the shit, It was like having a buddy you've known for years get exposed as a Sx Offender.
There are probably a bunch more reasons in the back of my mind, but those are the 3 biggest hammers which hit the most nails on the head in my mind.
I pretty much agree with all your points. I’m one of the few people on the internet who likes Season 15 of Rvb but even I agree it really wasn’t needed. Maybe if they made it a side series or a shorter “update” season, that’s how I imagined it tbh
I’m still pretty attached to the og employees, Geoff, Gavin, Michael, Burnie, Gus, Matt, and a few others, like Miles. But I don’t know who’s got a scandal that’s true or not and who’s just a good person lost to the wind, the exception being Geoff. And it really sucks too. All good things must come to an end, I suppose
I was willing to keep up with the new stuff but after the haywood debacle I can barely look at anything rooster teeth without feeling sad, rwby and the animation department is marred to me because of gray, it just sucks seeing a company I loved turn into a stranger I barely recognize
@Seanus Patricus Could not have said it better myself.
@Seanus Patricus ehhhh I gotta disagree with you there. I’ll admit Fiona and Ky feel like they might’ve initially been diversity hires, but Joe and BK were quite obviously calculated to try to fill Jeremy’s old role in the team (and tbh Fiona feels like a failed calculation to try to fill Ryan’s spot, she tries to be sneaky but just doesn’t usually have the skill to keep up.)
And for what it’s worth, RT’s moderation around that point where Mica left was objectively dogshit. It still leaves a lot to be desired quite frankly. The site “revamps” driven by the RTFirst switch (and later Fullscreen,) completely demolished the old community moderation that kept things manageable and brought it in-house, distracting employees from their jobs. When an asshat could be silenced by a fellow community member with a good track record, that’s one thing; when it’s the company’s job to silence them that’s another entirely.
And “they got political” isn’t really an argument. There’s a reason Geoff kept bringing veteran friends into the company and they’d be gone in a few years. RT’s always had a problem with political divides, not like that’s even unusual. FWIW it’s also clear Jack slipped out of regularly appearing in AH at least partly ‘cause he couldn’t stop with the political jokes. Just because you feel like a perspective is getting persecuted doesn’t mean they aren’t trying to make concessions to it.
@Seanus Patricus "being diverse doesnt
draw in people. Like, no one goes and watches shows or content JUST BECAUSE it is diverse
Most people don't care about the skin color or sexuality of their content creators." -of course not. if your skin color/ sexual preference is always represented & never missing from any content you frequently view, you wouldn't understand the desire & importance of seeing yourself reflected in the creation & content you enjoy. Why would you seek out diversity if you see you, in everything already?
I get it and maybe even the diverse crowd found the content less enjoyable after the creators forced more diversity but the idea that no one intentionally seeks out content for the diversity, is something someone assumes only if they've never felt a lack of seeing themselves represented, or their group reflected, in the things they enjoy.
Maybe I'm totally off here, that's possible & fair. I just happened to be in the vicinity of my roommates & friends' love for rooster teeth & rvb. that's my only real nostalgia for the stuff so I apologize if this came off shitty.
I struggled to start watching this one bc Rooster Teeth is so personal to me. I can’t even begin to explain how many different things in my life are indirectly related to them. I had no friends in middle school and high school, Achievement Hunter was my only respite to not want to die. I wore a slap band with the Rooster Teeth logo on it to a birthday party and met my best friend who I followed to their college, started my career and met my partner there. They meant a lot and it hurt when I started drifting from their content with just age and the shifting quality.
I remember when Monty passed away, i had to take a day off of school because i was so distraught, for a man i never knew. I was so hype for Michael and lindsay’s wedding, i felt like my friends were getting married. I watched every single 24hr extra life stream and collected all of the posters. I’ve been a first member/sponsor since I got my first job eight years ago. I can’t stress how much they meant to me and how big they were in my life. I had alerts in my phone when podcasts were going live, I begged to visit their studio and was heartbroken when I couldn’t get the chance. I watched their content every fucking day for half a decade.
I know they weren’t perfect and I won’t speak to everything wrong with the company, but i will say i remember when the Ryan stuff came out and it was a stab to the gut. I was *exactly* his demographic (young, obsessed with him, lonely, inexperienced, neurodivergent) and we were from the same area, it could’ve been me so easily. Some videos and moments I associate with my childhood, I can’t watch anymore without feeling gross when they were once my entire life. I’m still hurt over it and he better hope I never see him in person because I would lose it. Monster.
Same here I feel in love with rvb in 2010 up until 2016 when they started pushing politic into there videos I’m am neither left or right and I dislike when creators start pushing politic into there videos. I want entertainment not a political debate group. Then the fandom started to tear each other apart and there stars weren’t helping they were adding fuel to the fire attacking anyone and using the fandom as there personal attacks force which they continue to this day. I finally had enough canceled my subscription and never looked back.
@@noahsawyer7155 I don’t fully agree with the political stuff, what little there was was mainly in more personal content such as the podcasts and I think that was fair. But I completely relate to losing interest in their content due to growing out of it and the changing styles
@@noahsawyer7155 "I'm neither left nor right" translation I'm a privileged white straight bigot who likes to smoke weed and shoot guns.
@@noahsawyer7155 But only left wing politics right? Right wing rhetoric even fascist rhetoric is fine. There's only two genders: male and political. 🙄
All I'm gonna say is, poor Geoff. Dude deserves so much better.
Seeing Geoff's story with RoosterTeeth is heartbreaking. This man found a means of expressing himself, his passion, and an environment to share and grow with his friends. That moment when he said he missed his friends; you can see he is spilling his guts out for his friends, and they gleefully stomp on them for the clout and promise of greater financial success.
From what I observed from his interaction during their let's plays, RTX panels and off-topic appearances, Geoff had little ambition for Rooster Teeth. He wanted a place that felt like a family to him, and his dream came true to a degree. With the growth in staff, it'd naturally be more difficult to be this close to each member, but it would appear that he understood that while he might not be friends with EVERY member of the workplace, they could be friends among themselves, and that his dream acted as a host for others who had similar dreams like him. What confirms this theory to me is his sendoff to those 50 employees. He didn't have to, but as he said during the speech, he acted of his own accord and this was a last minute decision fueled purely by need to speak his mind about the tragedy he felt had jut happened. Yes he bashed the audience as internet audiences are a cutthroat and bloodthirsty bunch, but I believe that he did this because he was likely not aware (as in emotionally aware, he most likely DID know about all these details as he is one of the heads) to the big picture spendings and corporatization of his dream project and work community, that CAUSED these layoffs. I can't blame the man for looking for someone to blame, a way to escape the feeling that he (by being in power in that company) betrayed these people, by having to take this away from them; which in turn is a greater betrayal to his core beliefs.
Edit: I hadn't seen his response to the harassment of one of the employees. 💔😔
He truly has a good heart. He didn't need to go that far into detail, and his tears are born from legitimate anguish. My heart goes to him
I think thats why he hadn’t left, it seems like he really cared about the company and just didnt want to see it fall, but now he’s stuck watching it burn down and its just painful to watch. I really hope he can find something more.
Straight up that Halo animation by Monty was sick for it’s time, but it’s even more impressive that RWBY somehow still looks like that
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Looks like what? Lifeless? Lazy? Like an entry level animation project?
I mean s1 - 3 RWBY has some jank but you can see the passion put in them during the fights
Modern RWBY is lifeless
@@ImmaLittlePip yeah the trouble is everything else. Not to mention the lifeless voice acting
@@GigaChadh976 i was referring to its time. it was genuinely wild that someone essentially independently created this. it is choppy, telegraphed, and the lighting is awful; that’s just a few problems. The ambition and drive was there
RT community went from, "We have our own site because you can't rely on external parties to run a thriving community" to, "twitter is our community" and it's sad
Ah Twitter, the utter malestorm of hate and violence
Had Mika ever considered that maybe she's just not that entertaining? A company worth the original achievement hunters, a grand list of charismatic that us fans loved for years that she just can't match the unreachable vibes that they established with her own character work? Like maybe some people are racist, but damn she just wasn't fun to watch
Geoff was always a tough as nails guy, it was yeeears of absorbing shit that made him crack. He probably would have been totally cool with just doing Lets Plays with the same guys for years and years. I used to love watching the early LP stuff. Watching Gavin do something stupid and Michael and Geoff yelling at him was great. They had a great run, but it's so hard to maintain an online presence, people have no attention span anymore
@@hungrycrab3297 burnie left after making huge financially stupid decisions. He was on a massive wage and still made bad decisions. The parent company needed to fix the decision making so he “stepped down” rather than be fired.
If you like people who do let’s plays I would recommend Chuggaaconroy and for group let’s plays I recommend TheRunawayGuys (group that chuggaaconroy helped found)
@@M3RK_Crash Hey I like TRG
@@M3RK_Crash TRG and friends are a nice community that still pull off part by part let's plays rather than cut down highlights. As much as I like the newer style of "let's plays", it's nice to see that those guys can keep the old style alive (while Chugga's production quality has massively improved series after series, the best of both worlds)
@@M3RK_Crash Neebs Gaming is also great for group plays, but they pretty much play the same games every week, not a lot of variety.
With the power of hindsight, Ray leaving AH was the equivalent of Marcus Aurelius dying. Sure the empire (company) lived on but never uphill, always downhill
Which is ironic because Ray, at the time, was making an incredibly risky career move that looked like it may or may not pan out, and now he's the one with a brand new functional ship and RoosterTeeth are the ones that are sinking.
That's the 51 difference babyyyyyyy
It’s crazy how Ray seemed almost prophetic in his decision. Its not that he was some smart genius that saw where the company was headed. He simply left due to passion and he just felt the passion was siphoned out of the company.
@@ExternusArmyThough I think part of the reason he left was because rooster teeth started moving more to high production live action like Lazer Team. Man just wanted to play games on the internet.
@@dreadfullespectre8579 you don't have to be a genius to realize it was never going to pan out for RT going that direction and Ray likely saw that... everyone else had ambitions of breaking into the mainstream and endlessly expanding instead of ensuring their core product was good or understanding why people liked it
I think that rt and ah is policing their community too much now. I've seen a mod post a comment on a RUclips video pretty much saying "Il l be reading they comments of the video so you all better watch what you say". They pretty much turned into "if you don't like what we've become, leave" and most people did.
Rooster teeth stars: we don’t want you
Person: fine I’ll take my money elsewhere
Couple days later
Rooster teeth: we don’t have any money
Financial manager: we should up the price
Rooster teeth: brilliant
The company that was founded and thrived by literal dick jokes, is telling its fans to stop with the dick jokes.
The Hindenburg went down with more grace than Roosterteeth.
@@live2rock13 rt is the dollar store when it comes to being funny
This sounds like hyperbole not gonna lie, I have never seen anything like this
@@SpartonWolf it happened a lot during the onboarding of Fiona and Ky. Much less so now, but partly because the audience has shrunk so there’s less need.
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"Animation for a mecha series is very expensive!"
This would be true. If it was DRAWN animation. In 3D animation, mechas are actually great, because they don't need to have expressions, they move very stilted and you can add as many details as you like, because they don't have to be redrawn for each frame. I don't know where that person is coming from but as a 3D artist and character animator of 10 years: mechas is basically always easier to animate than people. Add that with Mecha series often playing in space, an easily reusable environment asset and you probably have one of the cheapest ways you could run a 3D fully animated show. Now, they didn't do all those things, but the statement alone that Mecha shows are more expensive than other 3D shows doesn't ring true to me.
The real expenses for Gen:lock were twofold: 1) Haddock's crippling perfectionism apparently led to the same scenes being animated over and over again because he wasn't satisfied with this or that detail. 2) They hired a bunch of big name a-listers like David Tenant and Maisie Williams, and that required everyone on the production who got a line to be paid SAG rates which massively inflated the budget.
The sad thing is I actually quite liked Gen:Lock, it felt like it had a strong first season and I would have kept watching had they not taken the absolutely bone-headed decision of not showing the second season on the RT site at all, even to those of us who had paid for FIRST, which felt like a huge slap in the face to those of us who had contributed to paying for its production. It was one of three things that prompted me to cancel my FIRST sub (the other two being Ryan Haywood and RvB Zero).
I enjoyed Gen:Lock as presented but I think I probably still would have enjoyed it as much had it had slightly ropey animation and the standard stable of RT voice talents. After all, bot RvB and RWBY had both of those and I still enjoyed them.
@@PassiveSmoking That is an interesting insight, thank you!
i genuinely wish i could feel anything but sadness when i think about rooster teeth now. i spent so many hours in middle and high school watching rvb and the minecraft letsplays. those especially were my pick-me-up when i needed a distraction, needed to laugh for a while- i watched them as soon as they came out, and when i was working at a camp, i'd watch them in my sleeping bag before i went to sleep every night. but i can't even go back and watch those anymore, because ryan was my favorite. i liked how crafty he was and how he tried to use sneaky, intelligent tactics and would make nerdy jokes. and now i just feel sick whenever i think about those videos- i've lost my ability to enjoy what i used to love, because of everything that's happened since, and I miss the happiness I used to experience from it.
I swear, if I ever meet Geoff in real life, I am going to give him the most sincerest hug.
He is the kind of modest man I can only dream of being.
I had stopped watching rt about half a year before the ryan controversy. At around that time it reached the point where I realized there was almost no videos they put out that I found fun enough to watch. That and the disgust I started to get for the workplace environment for ALL staff. the mainline staff seemed to be devolving into depressing alcoholics, while the rest of the staff seemed to have to deal with the fact that they might get "pranked" witch involves the main crew more or less trashing their office for "content", witch they made several videos of.
i just imagine the HR nightmare that whoever runs that department has to deal with
I despised alfredo once he joined permanently. His voice just didn't mesh well
@@spritemon98 Jeremy used to be my favorite, but he just became such a sad alcoholic it still makes me depressed.
@@tommy0con2 that's....definitely sad😢. I liked him a lot
@@spritemon98 idk how it is now but he needed an intervention bad... they all did
Shout out to RUclips for recommending me this after finding out that it finally shut down.
RWBY was a sign that RT would’ve been a big name in entertainment. But when Monty died, it was the beginning of the end for RT as a whole.
RIP Monty.
*when monty was killed by his psyco wife who chose cats over her husbands health*
@@RandomGamerCory Also from the article.
The Austin-based animator for the production studio Rooster Teeth Productions died on Sunday afternoon, company chief executive Matt Hullum said in a statement. Hullum said Oum suffered a severe allergic reaction during a procedure about 10 days ago and fell into a coma.
@@RandomGamerCory Maybe next time before you attempt slander watch the vid as this was also cited word for word. Monty's wife and family have been through enough. Shame be upon you, let the best and his family rest in peace.
@@valkrian0974Monty was just a loser who was mediocre at using blender.
In middle and high school I loved watching Fails of the Weak, Rage Quit, and their various let's plays, particularly Minecraft and Wormz.
I miss the old dynamic they had, it felt almost like actual friends just playing a game as if there was no camera or capture card recording.
It's incredible just how in denial Rooster Teeth fans still are, people talking about how RT isn't dying it's just fear mongering but it's very clear that things have gone downhill.
I mean just looking at the views they get you can see they're dying, I honestly don't even understand how they make money.
@@tylergaye5457 If you told them that they would just tell you that everyone is watching on the RT website even though it's inferior to RUclips.
Completely agree. In my opinion, for close to a decade, the only reason Rooster Teeth even still exists is Achievement Hunter. They are leaning on them SO hard as a crutch to actually get money, as they used to be the only videos from the company that consistently got millions of views, and now that AH is failing, I really doubt them even continuing as a company.
@@chrisray250 it’s because achievement Hunter/ let’s play is still close to what it was. Still has some maincast members from the golden age, and the new members are mostly known members of the community from the old days such as Trevor. Not to mention the outside hires tend to fit. RT will eventually die. The question is will AH or will it evolve into something less business like and more towards what Ray ended up doing.
Honestly I could see AH doing well in a less structured, less content form.
@@tylergaye5457 pretty sure i heard they dont make money and are consistently in the red its why every so often they really try to push the site ( like the extra ttt rounds and removing rwby from yt)