It's a motorcycle in that you have to get it plated, registered, and insured. It's 180lb weight makes it too heavy to pick up and take into your apartment to charge it, unlike your mountain bike. It's a motorcycle. And for $14,000, you can get a much better one.
Yeah, Zack's presentation is very pleasant, I'm binge-watching the videos. But in another review, they used this kind of stuff as rentals on a mountain trail (24km lenght) in a park, where gasolines are not allowed, and there it made some sense actually.
If IKEA made an E-bike, it would have worked and ben useful. This is trash. A City Bike, storage is needed. So you can get stuff in stores. Have a bike only as a toy? Then its a bike only for rich people. This I think is made only to get gov support money, and trash it. It looks like a scam.
Even the *tragically* poorly updated Zero FXE makes the Kalk appear to be some sort of joke for a hidden clique of hipsters that we're not cool enough to be friends with.
@@marquisbrown5060 You could get those Ohlins suspension components for around 4K USD retail, so a version with cheaper stuff would still be around 11K. It's still way too expensive and then it wouldn't have the bling and probably look even more overpriced. They're clearly not trying to compete in terms of value, a new brand rarely can unless they outsource every bit of manufacturing. They took the luxury path and it might be the smartest way to do it, they just have to find enough kids that have way too much money and don't know the true value of it.
They are just fun toys for rich kids, the people who try to justify buying one are lying to themselves , just admit that they are fun toys and buy it if you like them.
New bike prices are increasing $100 - $200 each year and for some reason the used market isn't much better anymore. All I find is overpriced trashed bikes nowadays.
Costs more than my 701, significantly less capable. I want electric to be worth it, but these guys are setting a terrible precedent with overpriced/incapable machines. Zero is still the only way to go, if you can live with the range.
A sur ron with an 80 KW battery and one of those upgraded microcontrollers and displays blows the pants off of one of these for half the price. That's not even getting into if you convert it to belt drive and mess with the gearing.
I feel like its more of a half to than a want to. I feel like (almost) all electric vehicles are unappealing compared to gas ones, but at some point we are going to probably half to use them so these manufactures are getting in early to try and refine the bikes, so by the time we have to use them they are less bad. Kind of like how in the tech industry the early adopters are basically beta testers who spend way too much and get a buggy mess of a device.
@@baltazard133T even a Alibaba stealth clone will do that you could get it configured to go way faster than this. Also you could build one for like 3000.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 Imagine what people on horses thought about the first motorcycles? Too expensive. Too loud. Dangerous. Toxic fumes. 140 years later and were all trying to convince ourselves that electric bikes, which are in their infancy on the mass market, just aren't gonna make it.
I remember seeing one of these bikes for the first time and thinking it looked super cool, but then I saw the specs and more importantly the price and knew it was a no go
14 grand for that thing?? For less than that money you could get a brand new zero fxs supermoto with every single option as I have done on my channel. Or you could get the off road version the fx. And you can actually take it on the highway and avoid 4 times the range. And I would say the zero is 10 times the bike.
Made my 14,000 mistake in 2020 buying a Kalk&. After eight months the battery died. 42 days and the company could not or would not replace the battery under warranty. Yet they could supply media companies with new bikes. Poor range, 32 miles max for me. Wanted this to ride TO offroad areas and ride. Nope, not enough juice to do that. Cake ended up taking the bike back. Bought a Zero DSR used with a charge tank which means I can charge at level 2 EVSE stations rather than just at home. Wonderful bike and it's the one I should have purchased before the dumb Cake. Oh yeah bought it used, a 2017 in 2021 for 10,500 too. Been an ICE rider my entire life, Barstow to Vegas twice and taught road racers later on. Really love the Zero.
Imagine what the first ICE powered motorcycle cost? 120 years of development later you're like 'my ICE engine is cheaper than the newest tech on the market'. Cool story man, try to understand what these companies are doing rather than just posting a passive aggressive quip about why you don't like electric bikes.
Electric bikes are always going to cost considerably more than an ICE. The batteries are just going to cost that. They ain't going to get much cheaper either. They are almost always cheaper in the long term though despite that larger initial price tag.
For real. 14 grand is kinda absurd man. I could buy an MT09 and have 3 grand for upgrades. I know thats not the point because its not an electric motorcycle, but it just shows what you can get for that kinda money.
There are some bikes like the Royal Enfield 650 twins that surprise me with how they manage to offer such a good bike for such a low cost. Then this thing is at the other end of the spectrum. How can so little cost so much? I'd be genuinely interested to know what the manufacturer would say if you asked them why it costs $14K US. It's not even like there's any element of "paying for the brand" like people do with luxury cars, since no one has ever heard of these guys before.
Julian.......yes..........your are right.,but the I would suggest you consider where they are made and the economy of scale production..If you only want it cheap.,pick one up from China....and then read the loss of nature from the onslaught of pollution & the loss of liberty from Tibet.. Oddly ., if you pick it up from Sweden ., and transport a couple to the US ., it's likely to be sodding expensive..........the interesting thing will be how well supported it is..
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The German Erockèt bicycle much better at used price , and a Zero motorcycle earliest model now used cost less and they can give car and freeway a run too
Rear brake force is largely coming from the regen braking, not friction pads, which accounts for the mismatch between front and rear brake. On an electric motorcycle this is a tricky balance as many riders have been taught that brake force should primarily come from the front brake but this eliminates any possibility of regen braking (unless a motor/generator is somehow installed on the front wheel). The optimal way to ride an electric bike (with no front regen) would be to brake very slowly using only the rear regen brake (can be done automatically by the bike itself when you get off throttle) with front brake/friction brakes only used for emergency stops. If you are riding for "fun" then your goals might conflict with those of the engineers trying to desperately increase battery range which seems to have become the most important consumer metric of the EV market.
I love small electric motorcycles and big ebikes as budget commuters. I think I spend like a cent a mile on my rad. but yeah its kind of pointless to have low operating cost if you have to spend 14k to start.
Yeah and the way he just kind of mentioned it and moved straight on like it was a tiny consideration... I was thinking "did he really just say that like it was nothing?"
More like they didn't know how to finish it. This is prime 'industrial design run amok' "Hey, lets design a motorcycle!" "Have you ever designed a motorcycle?" "No - what's your point?" "Have you ever ridden a motorcycle?" "No - again, what's your point?" "Oh never mind... how hard can it be?"
When electric motorcycle companies go back to the early roots of motorcycles when they were motorized bicycles you know that the electric era is off to a strong start
Steering lock looks to be limited by the relatively sizeable Ohlins forks spaced not that far apart. At max lock the fork legs nestle into that recess at the front of the seat and that's it.
i own a cake, paid 14k for it. it's a good bridge between ebike/pedal and moto. i love how unassuming it is, rip around the neighborhood or parks and no one bothers you. fun and easy to ride. yes it is expensive but first consider high end mountain ebikes go for 10-12k. happy to give cake my money as they are pioneering alone here. theres really nothing like it on the market and likely nothing coming out anytime soon. hands down way better than an upgraded sur-on. go on cake.
I paid $6K for my 2020 Specialized Turbo Levo comp. Arguably quite a top spec bike, 700KwHr one of the biggest on the market for e-MTB, and a motor that is still the most powerful (with some alleged reliability issues, but I am yet to encounter any). The price of 10-12k for high end e-MTB is way off. This bike in particular is legally a motorcycle, so you can't ride it on bike paths, mountain bike parks like you can an e-bike, and it requires license registration and insurance. Given current laws, pedal/moto bridge bikes make little sense, and given the price of the cake, it makes zero sense. You can have a noob friendly street legal dirtbike like the Yamaha XT250 or a TW200 for 1/3 of the money, or even a full fledged KTM 300XC 2 stroke fuel injected bike for $11,000.
Why so much hate on this bike? I rode one and it was AMAZING. I loved it. Electric is the future. Sure it's a high price, but maintenance will be next to nothing (as opposed to really pricey on my BMW GS). All the comments on this saying, "I could afford a harley/honda/f-150/700 pizza pies instead" are false equivalencies. I like the Osa more though.
For the price of the Kalk&, I could buy a brand new Sur-Ron X AND a brand new Zero FXS -- both amazing electric bikes (with all same the maintenance advantages you mention) that are arguably better in every way than this thing. I love electric motorcycles and agree they are the future, but this bike is nonsense.
$14k for a really basic frame, a few meh batteries, a small motor, bare minimum else to let a rider sit on it and control it, and then for some reason they splurge on Ohlins... if you want to go electric, for more than $2k less than this you can get a Zero FX (or FXS or FXE depending on what suits your fancy). Not only is it absurd compared to gas bikes, it doesn't even make sense in the electric market.
Agreed! I bet the Ohlins factory is just down the road from them, this feels like a bike that was released 10 years ago, it should have 50hp and well at least have an attempt at styling.
The Cake Bike (get the OR version) is for use on terrain that you can't take a noisy gas bike, but would be so fun if you could. It's not for commuting. I have two of these and a SurRon and several other bikes and motorcycles. The Cake is a horrible commuter but the off road version is lignter and geared better. Imagine a 150 pound dirt bike you can muscle over or under a fence. Enough suspension for a big tall guy. But where this bike really shines is being able to take a non threatening, quiet machine to rip areas that are otherwise too close to houses or businesses etc.
Swedish media is reporting today (2/8/2024) that Cake is bankrupt. Their venture capital funding dried up and they failed to find a buyer (Harley Davidson, already dealing with Livewire’s failure, declined) and so the company is kaput.
HAHAHA. Look at that totally new tech made by a super small company trying something different. How dumb. Glad I have this other thing I can buy that's had 140 years of development to compare it too. What a bonehead take.
@@JacobMueller Dude. The fact is, this product being $14,000 IS a complete joke. By your logic, because a product is new, or follows an innovative trend, it is instantly good? ... No. The product needs to actually meet a market need while also meeting its target price for that audience. $14,000 can get you: -Indian Scout -Kawasaki ZX6R -Honda Rebel 1100 -Husavarna 701 -Yamaha Tenere 700 WITH money leftover. ALL capable machines in their class. So, how is this bike worth $14,000? I'm waiting.
This thing makes no sense at $14k when you can get a Surron X for $4-5k. I’d bet this company goes the way of the dodo within the next 5 years. The only market for this is rich hipsters.
@@helpfulcommenter True to a point, but love them or hate them, Tesla developed much more than a car. I would say this is more akin to the Fisker failure.
@@helpfulcommenter I define it as when the idea of Tesla was conceived and then turned into a company, but I won't stop you from having a different idea.
the Swedish and German word 'Kalk' is related to the English word 'Chalk', it refers to the substance CaCO3, which is of biological origin (sea shells, corrals) and forms many rocks around the world
Looks like the front end is mostly from a mountain bike. Mountain bike bars forks and brakes. And that's kind of a let down on such an expensive bike. Would leave me permanently nervous especially at higher speeds. 15 thousand is a whole lot of money And when the new live wire is supposed to hit at about 20k and there are a few other bikes in that 15 to 20 range that are looking promising. And I am actually in the market and looking for something fun to rip around town.
the trick for backing it in by locking the rear wheel is to lock it while your still straight and then slowly push the rear out with your hips. doesnt take much practice.
The versys 650 was the first bike you did, and it has been really good on top of the chart! I would love to see the 1000 model too. And get some comparisons on them! You have done a lot of others in the meantime, so we can get that one now :)
As an electric portables rider of many years, unless you have at least 4000Wh, range will be poor just like Zack demonstrated on this bike. Say what you want, but electric anything won’t be mainstream til they can be recharged as quickly as you can get a tank of gas.
I think it depends on if the "gas" companies start to invest deeply in charging centres and stop wanting to trundle oil round the world.,i can see the golden goose getting a very hard time.....not suggesting stand oil levels of fiddling.,but if a car industry initiative can buy up mass transit., anything is possible..
@@robertwoodliff2536 no, the fundamental issue is charge times. You can fill a gas tank in 2-3 minutes. Not to mention public EV charge stations are constantly out of service or broken. Perhaps it’s more feasible in more suburban areas but in large metro areas where parking is at a premium and EV stations constantly out of order or sabotaged, it’s a pipe dream.
Can you post a summary of the leaderboard to date ? Have you had a V-strom 650 on yet? Or a Gen 1 KLR, Gen 2 KLR, Gen 3 KLR ? (I know, I know …. But I think the KLR is the Swiss Army knife of bikes ….. across town or around the world at a price most people can afford :) My 2013 comes with automatic off road mode (no ABS) :)
for off road abuse i would put all the money into a surron.. this thing looks like a city cruiser, a modded surron would demolish that thing and you still wouldnt have spent $14k in total on it
Sur-Ron /Segway x260 is the smart buy and with just a few upgrades its a super capable off road blast. Not street legal but I have not been pulled over yet! Did I just jinx my self? Ooopppsss.
2x 390 adventure or 2x crf300 rally, though I dont think its fair to compare electric with gas on 1:1 in price as electric will save you in maintenance and gas. Its a good looking toy for people with more money than sense. if it was priced better it could show what electric bikes are now - good around town or shorter offroad rides, im quite sure you could sneak one of these on ebike mtb trails without people objecting
I dont know about getting one with the 14,000 price tag Im around that for a new 500exc and suspension work.. I could enjoy it but the technology is just getting close to viable now and still needs more time to grow..
If I had to guess, the primary target of the Cake is people who like to ride mountain bikes downhill, but don't want to pedal them back up again. For the price tag you could get 3 Honda trail 125's (150 mile range!), and have money left over.
I think all these new e-bikes are a smart way for people working in the tech scenes in places like California to keep themselves employed. Sure the product sucks but they just need to attract some capital into their company for awhile and continue to pay their mortgage. Company goes under and all the employees move on to the next e-bike company. Rinse and repeat. It doesn't matter if the product is poorly designed, expensive, or unfeasible. As long as investors are throwing money at any idea that remotely might sell, you can keep living that Cali lifestyle.
If you lived in a moderate climate, and had a really short commute to work/school (like 5 to 10 miles), this might be okay. No gas tank--could save money on that, especially if you could charge your batteries at work. Electric motor has little (almost 'no') maintenance--only real consumable are tires. Might not be able to park in the bicycle rack, though--some busybody would notice the lack of pedals...
But think of all the fuel savings, and oil. I mean, I owned a $3k new grom for 3000kms and put like $200 worth of fuel through it... But over 100,000kms maybe it'll cover the extra $11,000 🤣
@@taylor2105 Screw it. Even if it made money while being ridden, i would never ride that crap. Man that engine noise is annoying. How did you not throw it in a bush and continued on foot?
@@taylor2105 until you factor in electricity usage for charging, the inevitable battery replacement when it fails and the fact that you need to pay for multiple batteries that are easily changed if you don’t want to wait hours to charge.
Aside from the ohlins suspension, everything else seems to be very underwhelming for the price tag… if you want any sort of real power, you’d want at least 72v. 51v 50Ah battery for 14G just seems ridiculous.
I’ll pass on this thing, thanks. What ever happened to the Triumph Trident review I’ve been waiting for ever since it got teased in the MT-07 one? Can we expect it anytime soon?
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look at the brite side with short battery life you won't have to sit on that seat for long. It looks like just basic transportation, so maybe it would be ok for that, if you are not going to far
There is a writer for hiconsumption who called this horrible excuse for a motorcycle "the ultimate urban commuter bike" lol. He also called it an "almost certainly revolutionary two-wheeler". Crazy
I wonder if a gear box would help extend range on an electric motorcycle, like reving your engine too high burns more fuel, does spinning too high burn more battery power? 🤔
A gearbox would require lubrication. All that adds a bunch of weight. You'd end up losing range rather than gaining as a result. Plus when it comes to electric motors the big savings in power usage comes from the top 10% or so of the motor's capacity. Once the motor gets below that top 10%, you're not saving that much more energy
@@NYCZ31 I don't think weight has that big of an impact on range unless you are stopping and accelerating over and over, once you get moving, it wouldn't take that much to keep it going, even my 600 pound harley gets 50mpg, it drops quick if im starting and stopping alot, would a taller final drive not save power? I heard teslas even have a second motor dedicated for highway use to get better range 🤔
On this because it's just an overly fancy E bike maybe a set of different sized sprockets on the rear and some sort of derailer mechanism like a 10 speed mountain bike
At this point these niche bikes are for very specific uses. When you keep that in mind they are great. I am not sure where the Cake fits into this but it looks like it might be fun on the mountain bike single track trails. Problem I am finding is that it's harder than you think to find the perfect riding spots for these niche bikes. Many mountain bike trails don't want or allow us and then the offroad parks are too extreme in that they are tore up by 4x4s. I got the Electric Motion Escape recently and LOVE it! I ride different things regularly, yz450, wr250r, mountain bike, and now this EME is my favorite in that it is 183lbs, so nimble, way better turning radius than the Cake seems to be. It's born from the "Trials" bikes but they added a seat and more battery for range so its a technical "Trail" bike. If you take it to the tight trees, rocks, roots, etc filled single track with as much climb and decent as you can take she is a beast! It solemns over sand banks like your sking the glades. It will climb the nastest stuff with ease and dominate a KTM300 in this tight techy stuff. I am sold!! The quiet clean power with no clutch is amazing! The French did a great job, now I want more electric motorcycles, what's next? I did some vids on my channel but I hope you guys get one to test and take her to the tight tech and let her shine and tell us what you think? Thanks for the info.
Have you tried the Surron Ultra Bee? Seems to beat the EM espace based on specs? Could be wrong, I don’t know a lot about electric motorcycles.. yet 😁 Edit: googled EM espace vs Ultra bee after writing my comment and lo and behold, your video popped up. Currently watching
@@JohannesDalenMC cool! Yes, i have both and the UB is excellent value but for what i love most...noting we all enjoy different types of riding. I love all types including mx, etc.. but now I'm focused on technical trail blazing tight single track, etc. If you sent me on a mission to climb the hairest trail in Moab or Hatfield McCoy's I still would take the EM every time. It still inspires the most confidence and is the most capable of getting thru the safest IMO. Electric at this point is not going to work on wide open ripping trails for very long. They last pleanty when your in super tight technical trails or trail blazing. I wear out before they do. The EM traction is unstoppable. Combo of tires, power delivery, weight, etc. IMO its still worth the money. I'm looking forward to trying the brand new Beta electric bike. It seems like an interesting bike but my gut says something has to give at that price from that builder.. we'll see. Have fun.
Thank you for the thorough response. I may be crazy for thinking this, but could a UB do as a daily rider to work, grocery shopping etc? Obviously depends on the distance, but it should be well within range. And then be trail ridden in on the weekends.
See, I'm about to start driving a truck over the road, and I've been looking around at possible transportation options that I can fit in/on my truck that will let park in truck stops and then go places, and something like this would be just about perfect. I can secure this behind the cab of my truck, the battery can be charged off the truck when it's running, it's light enough and skinny enough to fit behind the cab, and it's fast enough to go on whatever roads I'd have to if necessary. But to hell with paying $14k on that, I'll pay a few hundred on a folding e bike instead and just eat the top speed drawback
I think the torque is a more important specification that one might want to know about an electric bike, would love it if u include that spec in the description 😇
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It's a motorcycle in that you have to get it plated, registered, and insured. It's 180lb weight makes it too heavy to pick up and take into your apartment to charge it, unlike your mountain bike. It's a motorcycle. And for $14,000, you can get a much better one.
Even as a dirt bike the price is too steep.
you still have your 300zx? you inspired me to build mine
@@1971mustang007 Nah unfortunately I got sucked into the black hole that is motorcycles and have abandoned car projects
@@NYCZ31 ah? The money pit !
thats 2 new drz400s
It says a lot about how much I like Zack and daily rider, that I watched this entire video about an absolute joke of a vehicle.
Really good point 😆 Zach is great
Yes. I would have rather have a two 300cc scooter's, and left over money to get crash bars and extras on the them.
It's garbage
Yeah, Zack's presentation is very pleasant, I'm binge-watching the videos. But in another review, they used this kind of stuff as rentals on a mountain trail (24km lenght) in a park, where gasolines are not allowed, and there it made some sense actually.
@@PhantomNr5 these are still insanely overpriced. You can do better. Sur Ron would be much better
I’ll stick with my Trail 125. Comfy, 100+ mpg, goes just as fast and saves you $10000.
@Kattrap No argument there, not a fan of cake bikes anyhow.
only disadvantage to gas bikes you can’t ride everywhere
@@WARDOGOD-2 the same can be said about electric
yes very true bro, but when i say “everywhere” i mean places for walking, indoors, etc. @@joelfigueroa1309
you´re off 100 times better with your trail :D that cake thing is stupid
If Ikea made an eBike you had to assemble. Even has the name - Cäkëkalk&
Except Ikea is affordable and good value for the money.
If IKEA made an E-bike, it would have worked and ben useful. This is trash. A City Bike, storage is needed. So you can get stuff in stores. Have a bike only as a toy? Then its a bike only for rich people. This I think is made only to get gov support money, and trash it. It looks like a scam.
Except that Ikea products are inexpensive and a good value.
@@Gismo3333 people would probably slap a "supreme" badge on it
Hahahahaha
Even the *tragically* poorly updated Zero FXE makes the Kalk appear to be some sort of joke for a hidden clique of hipsters that we're not cool enough to be friends with.
@@marquisbrown5060 You could get those Ohlins suspension components for around 4K USD retail, so a version with cheaper stuff would still be around 11K. It's still way too expensive and then it wouldn't have the bling and probably look even more overpriced.
They're clearly not trying to compete in terms of value, a new brand rarely can unless they outsource every bit of manufacturing. They took the luxury path and it might be the smartest way to do it, they just have to find enough kids that have way too much money and don't know the true value of it.
They are just fun toys for rich kids, the people who try to justify buying one are lying to themselves , just admit that they are fun toys and buy it if you like them.
I thought of Zero too.
wow, the cake is an offroad machine and this zero certainly not.
2021 Honda Grom is $4,000 ... nothing else to say.
New bike prices are increasing $100 - $200 each year and for some reason the used market isn't much better anymore. All I find is overpriced trashed bikes nowadays.
@@kmb957 yeah same issue in my country. It seems like this trend started in 2014 or increased at least.
You can build a stealth bomber clone for under 4000 n have similar performance also you can take it off road and it's a bicycle legally
Why no manufacture is making an electric Grom for around that price is beyond me. Would sell like hotcakes
@@RedEmpire36 there is the csc city slicker. Basically a little electric grom for cheap that gets shipped to you
Costs more than my 701, significantly less capable. I want electric to be worth it, but these guys are setting a terrible precedent with overpriced/incapable machines. Zero is still the only way to go, if you can live with the range.
A sur ron with an 80 KW battery and one of those upgraded microcontrollers and displays blows the pants off of one of these for half the price. That's not even getting into if you convert it to belt drive and mess with the gearing.
I feel like its more of a half to than a want to. I feel like (almost) all electric vehicles are unappealing compared to gas ones, but at some point we are going to probably half to use them so these manufactures are getting in early to try and refine the bikes, so by the time we have to use them they are less bad. Kind of like how in the tech industry the early adopters are basically beta testers who spend way too much and get a buggy mess of a device.
@@baltazard133T even a Alibaba stealth clone will do that you could get it configured to go way faster than this. Also you could build one for like 3000.
@@magiricod don't have any experience with that so what I've said is all I can base my knowledge on lol
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 Imagine what people on horses thought about the first motorcycles? Too expensive. Too loud. Dangerous. Toxic fumes. 140 years later and were all trying to convince ourselves that electric bikes, which are in their infancy on the mass market, just aren't gonna make it.
I remember seeing one of these bikes for the first time and thinking it looked super cool, but then I saw the specs and more importantly the price and knew it was a no go
That is the reaction about 90 percent have towards electric cars and bikes.
Doesn't even look cool. Looks like something put together in a garage.
You thought it looked super cool ??????????????????.?????.
@@Amory98 ye and thats the cool thing lol
Yup, you can't have your cake and eat it.
14 grand for that thing?? For less than that money you could get a brand new zero fxs supermoto with every single option as I have done on my channel. Or you could get the off road version the fx. And you can actually take it on the highway and avoid 4 times the range. And I would say the zero is 10 times the bike.
And the Zeros are still far from good enough and definitely not worth the money. You can do much, much better than a Zero with $14,000.
Nice try advertising your channel
Maybe Kalk is the material the seat is made from.
Made my 14,000 mistake in 2020 buying a Kalk&. After eight months the battery died. 42 days and the company could not or would not replace the battery under warranty. Yet they could supply media companies with new bikes. Poor range, 32 miles max for me. Wanted this to ride TO offroad areas and ride. Nope, not enough juice to do that. Cake ended up taking the bike back. Bought a Zero DSR used with a charge tank which means I can charge at level 2 EVSE stations rather than just at home. Wonderful bike and it's the one I should have purchased before the dumb Cake. Oh yeah bought it used, a 2017 in 2021 for 10,500 too. Been an ICE rider my entire life, Barstow to Vegas twice and taught road racers later on. Really love the Zero.
Lmao $14,000 and they can’t manage to do warranty repairs?
That said, Zero is extremely against right to repair, which is an automatic no from me.
$14K!? Someone somewhere is laughing till they wet their pants. 🤣🤣🤣
That's the truth 💯
I haven’t put 1-gallon of fuel in my Supercub for weeks, cost $4500, goes 60-mph- its a Honda
Imagine what the first ICE powered motorcycle cost? 120 years of development later you're like 'my ICE engine is cheaper than the newest tech on the market'. Cool story man, try to understand what these companies are doing rather than just posting a passive aggressive quip about why you don't like electric bikes.
@UCSdR8svaxXmqlASJ5NwqPyQ this isn't the "newest tech" this thing is a piece of shit
@@helpfulcommenter Internal Combustion Engine
@@JacobMueller electric motors aren't new either.
@@taylor2105 True. Even older than ICE, in fact!
It's definitely not even worth half its price but it'll be neat to see electric bikes in another 10-20 years.
Electric bikes are always going to cost considerably more than an ICE. The batteries are just going to cost that. They ain't going to get much cheaper either. They are almost always cheaper in the long term though despite that larger initial price tag.
$14k for 13hp 🤣 Cake didn't think this through.. maybe they should call it CupCake and sell it for $1300 bucks
Or call it a piece of crap.
The only people I can see buying this are the kids of billionaires that already own everything.
The Ohlins forks and shock are what is pushing the price up so high. That’s like $4,000 just in that set.
For real. 14 grand is kinda absurd man. I could buy an MT09 and have 3 grand for upgrades. I know thats not the point because its not an electric motorcycle, but it just shows what you can get for that kinda money.
Yeah that should totally be optional. How do you make a Zero FXE look cheap?
Oh they make exactly that. At 10K cheaper sus parts.
The profit on those ohlins components is probably 500% or more. Milking their reputation.
Those are discount Ohlins.
You're telling me that it costs the same as the new Harley Sportster S? 🤯🤯
"Aww HELL NOO!!!..."
Like what the fuck, seriously
That price needs to drop way down.
@@Busywave yeah, those harleys are crazy expensive! 😂🍻
I guess the Harley is a bargain! Who'da thunkit?
Who’d thunk a Harley would be a better value proposition. Yeah, I’ll pass on this.
There are some bikes like the Royal Enfield 650 twins that surprise me with how they manage to offer such a good bike for such a low cost. Then this thing is at the other end of the spectrum. How can so little cost so much? I'd be genuinely interested to know what the manufacturer would say if you asked them why it costs $14K US. It's not even like there's any element of "paying for the brand" like people do with luxury cars, since no one has ever heard of these guys before.
Julian.......yes..........your are right.,but the I would suggest you consider where they are made and the economy of scale production..If you only want it cheap.,pick one up from China....and then read the loss of nature from the onslaught of pollution & the loss of liberty from Tibet.. Oddly ., if you pick it up from Sweden ., and transport a couple to the US ., it's likely to be sodding expensive..........the interesting thing will be how well supported it is..
@@robertwoodliff2536 Learn how to structure sentences correctly
@@froot2912........thank you., thank you........i am dyslexic and enjoy fighting with alpha numeric soup.............i have too choices.,not right or write badly.,write...........so.,although I could generate a well trued wall., I am happy to free form the english record keeping.,be happy for me.,it took 1/2 century to not give a herring.,how ever well read.. Regards & slightly drunken christ mass..
@@robertwoodliff2536 I mean, thats horseshit. Its about the same price as a new car. There is no justification for that price.
The German Erockèt bicycle much better at used price , and a Zero motorcycle earliest model now used cost less and they can give car and freeway a run too
Rear brake force is largely coming from the regen braking, not friction pads, which accounts for the mismatch between front and rear brake.
On an electric motorcycle this is a tricky balance as many riders have been taught that brake force should primarily come from the front brake but this eliminates any possibility of regen braking (unless a motor/generator is somehow installed on the front wheel).
The optimal way to ride an electric bike (with no front regen) would be to brake very slowly using only the rear regen brake (can be done automatically by the bike itself when you get off throttle) with front brake/friction brakes only used for emergency stops.
If you are riding for "fun" then your goals might conflict with those of the engineers trying to desperately increase battery range which seems to have become the most important consumer metric of the EV market.
Thanks for the explanation but the brakes still SUCK! Goofy nut job.
It’d be interesting to have a small motor on the front thus actually making an electric drivetrain something special.
This almost feels like the Cake company are trying to prove that electric bikes are over-priced and not viable for regular, normal use
wait until frame clones come out and then you can get it for 3-4k with even BETTER RANGE.
When you run out of battery....
You're reduced to Cake Walking
Based on your last couple of "Daily Riders" I'm going to assume that you are being punished 🤣
I love small electric motorcycles and big ebikes as budget commuters. I think I spend like a cent a mile on my rad. but yeah its kind of pointless to have low operating cost if you have to spend 14k to start.
came here for this
how can there be 91 people who do not like this? This content is amazing. Thank you Zach for your hard work
The price almost made me fall off my chair.
Yeah and the way he just kind of mentioned it and moved straight on like it was a tiny consideration... I was thinking "did he really just say that like it was nothing?"
It looks like someone started to design it and then couldn't be bothered to finish it.
More like they didn't know how to finish it. This is prime 'industrial design run amok'
"Hey, lets design a motorcycle!"
"Have you ever designed a motorcycle?"
"No - what's your point?"
"Have you ever ridden a motorcycle?"
"No - again, what's your point?"
"Oh never mind... how hard can it be?"
I'm excited to see your Zero FXE review, I'm convinced the FXE/FXS is one of the best commuters on the market.
Oh boy - $14k for 45mph & low range...but Ohlins. Where do I fail to sign up...?
Wow an argument for the livewire. It’s now only 6k more.
When electric motorcycle companies go back to the early roots of motorcycles when they were motorized bicycles you know that the electric era is off to a strong start
Steering lock looks to be limited by the relatively sizeable Ohlins forks spaced not that far apart. At max lock the fork legs nestle into that recess at the front of the seat and that's it.
I don’t know why but it sounds like a giant mosquito to me when it’s buzzing down the road.
All I hear is wheeeeee!
The kids on my street would have a field day cracking jokes at my expense if I showed on that wheezer
i own a cake, paid 14k for it. it's a good bridge between ebike/pedal and moto. i love how unassuming it is, rip around the neighborhood or parks and no one bothers you. fun and easy to ride. yes it is expensive but first consider high end mountain ebikes go for 10-12k. happy to give cake my money as they are pioneering alone here. theres really nothing like it on the market and likely nothing coming out anytime soon. hands down way better than an upgraded sur-on. go on cake.
I paid $6K for my 2020 Specialized Turbo Levo comp. Arguably quite a top spec bike, 700KwHr one of the biggest on the market for e-MTB, and a motor that is still the most powerful (with some alleged reliability issues, but I am yet to encounter any). The price of 10-12k for high end e-MTB is way off.
This bike in particular is legally a motorcycle, so you can't ride it on bike paths, mountain bike parks like you can an e-bike, and it requires license registration and insurance. Given current laws, pedal/moto bridge bikes make little sense, and given the price of the cake, it makes zero sense. You can have a noob friendly street legal dirtbike like the Yamaha XT250 or a TW200 for 1/3 of the money, or even a full fledged KTM 300XC 2 stroke fuel injected bike for $11,000.
Bro u been robbed my ghost lyric triumph this bike at half the price
Why so much hate on this bike? I rode one and it was AMAZING. I loved it. Electric is the future. Sure it's a high price, but maintenance will be next to nothing (as opposed to really pricey on my BMW GS). All the comments on this saying, "I could afford a harley/honda/f-150/700 pizza pies instead" are false equivalencies. I like the Osa more though.
For the price of the Kalk&, I could buy a brand new Sur-Ron X AND a brand new Zero FXS -- both amazing electric bikes (with all same the maintenance advantages you mention) that are arguably better in every way than this thing. I love electric motorcycles and agree they are the future, but this bike is nonsense.
$14k for a really basic frame, a few meh batteries, a small motor, bare minimum else to let a rider sit on it and control it, and then for some reason they splurge on Ohlins... if you want to go electric, for more than $2k less than this you can get a Zero FX (or FXS or FXE depending on what suits your fancy). Not only is it absurd compared to gas bikes, it doesn't even make sense in the electric market.
Agreed! I bet the Ohlins factory is just down the road from them, this feels like a bike that was released 10 years ago, it should have 50hp and well at least have an attempt at styling.
Today we're not going on the freeway, because I don't want to die today. Love the videos keep it up. You guys are doing my dream job.✌️
I love this bike, the look, the design, beautiful. I can’t handle the price.
Looks like something that had ita origin in a garage, absolutely ugly.
The Cake Bike (get the OR version) is for use on terrain that you can't take a noisy gas bike, but would be so fun if you could. It's not for commuting. I have two of these and a SurRon and several other bikes and motorcycles. The Cake is a horrible commuter but the off road version is lignter and geared better. Imagine a 150 pound dirt bike you can muscle over or under a fence. Enough suspension for a big tall guy. But where this bike really shines is being able to take a non threatening, quiet machine to rip areas that are otherwise too close to houses or businesses etc.
Swedish media is reporting today (2/8/2024) that Cake is bankrupt. Their venture capital funding dried up and they failed to find a buyer (Harley Davidson, already dealing with Livewire’s failure, declined) and so the company is kaput.
You can buy a KTM 1290 Super Adventure R off cycle trader for $15k, or get a new one for $18.6k and own an offroad teleporter that is hard to crash.
Wow this is the first convincing argument for buying a KTM!
Dude, $14K can get you a good Zero bike that has way more speed and range.
“It will come in the attached app” the war cry of shitty startups that have no understanding of the products they make.
Lmfao 14,000$ for a 13.5 HP "bike"? Complete joke 😂💀
You get mopeds with more power and built better for less than half the price.
But it's from Sweden... 🤣
HAHAHA. Look at that totally new tech made by a super small company trying something different. How dumb. Glad I have this other thing I can buy that's had 140 years of development to compare it too. What a bonehead take.
@@JacobMueller Dude.
The fact is, this product being $14,000 IS a complete joke. By your logic, because a product is new, or follows an innovative trend, it is instantly good? ... No. The product needs to actually meet a market need while also meeting its target price for that audience.
$14,000 can get you:
-Indian Scout
-Kawasaki ZX6R
-Honda Rebel 1100
-Husavarna 701
-Yamaha Tenere 700
WITH money leftover.
ALL capable machines in their class. So, how is this bike worth $14,000? I'm waiting.
More power, etc for 2-4 thousand range.
@@JacobMueller most electric bikes with same spec cost about 7-8k , so 11k is absolutely ridiculous
This thing makes no sense at $14k when you can get a Surron X for $4-5k.
I’d bet this company goes the way of the dodo within the next 5 years. The only market for this is rich hipsters.
@@helpfulcommenter True to a point, but love them or hate them, Tesla developed much more than a car. I would say this is more akin to the Fisker failure.
@@helpfulcommenter by early days you mean before Elon owned it?
@@helpfulcommenter we define early days differently.
@@helpfulcommenter I define it as when the idea of Tesla was conceived and then turned into a company, but I won't stop you from having a different idea.
@@helpfulcommenter do you by chance go on Reddit?
Camera view of it Looks like the row machine at my gym
If someone showed me this then said they paid 14k i would just turn and walk away
the Swedish and German word 'Kalk' is related to the English word 'Chalk', it refers to the substance CaCO3, which is of biological origin (sea shells, corrals) and forms many rocks around the world
Cocolithophores.
Like Cake's design elements, but Zero's FXS wins this category, in pretty much every other respect.
Looks like the front end is mostly from a mountain bike. Mountain bike bars forks and brakes. And that's kind of a let down on such an expensive bike. Would leave me permanently nervous especially at higher speeds.
15 thousand is a whole lot of money
And when the new live wire is supposed to hit at about 20k and there are a few other bikes in that 15 to 20 range that are looking promising. And I am actually in the market and looking for something fun to rip around town.
the trick for backing it in by locking the rear wheel is to lock it while your still straight and then slowly push the rear out with your hips. doesnt take much practice.
The versys 650 was the first bike you did, and it has been really good on top of the chart!
I would love to see the 1000 model too. And get some comparisons on them!
You have done a lot of others in the meantime, so we can get that one now :)
Hard seat?
As an electric portables rider of many years, unless you have at least 4000Wh, range will be poor just like Zack demonstrated on this bike. Say what you want, but electric anything won’t be mainstream til they can be recharged as quickly as you can get a tank of gas.
I think it depends on if the "gas" companies start to invest deeply in charging centres and stop wanting to trundle oil round the world.,i can see the golden goose getting a very hard time.....not suggesting stand oil levels of fiddling.,but if a car industry initiative can buy up mass transit., anything is possible..
@@robertwoodliff2536 no, the fundamental issue is charge times. You can fill a gas tank in 2-3 minutes. Not to mention public EV charge stations are constantly out of service or broken. Perhaps it’s more feasible in more suburban areas but in large metro areas where parking is at a premium and EV stations constantly out of order or sabotaged, it’s a pipe dream.
For that price might as well get an Onyx or Sur Ron
An onyx and 3 extra batteries and still have enough to take a family of 4 to a week at Disney world.
3 Surrons
Can you post a summary of the leaderboard to date ? Have you had a V-strom 650 on yet? Or a Gen 1 KLR, Gen 2 KLR, Gen 3 KLR ? (I know, I know …. But I think the KLR is the Swiss Army knife of bikes ….. across town or around the world at a price most people can afford :) My 2013 comes with automatic off road mode (no ABS) :)
for off road abuse i would put all the money into a surron.. this thing looks like a city cruiser, a modded surron would demolish that thing and you still wouldnt have spent $14k in total on it
I genuinely had to replay the part where he said the price about 4 times, my mind was not able to comprehend...
Sur-Ron /Segway x260 is the smart buy and with just a few upgrades its a super capable off road blast. Not street legal but I have not been pulled over yet! Did I just jinx my self? Ooopppsss.
2x 390 adventure or 2x crf300 rally, though I dont think its fair to compare electric with gas on 1:1 in price as electric will save you in maintenance and gas.
Its a good looking toy for people with more money than sense. if it was priced better it could show what electric bikes are now - good around town or shorter offroad rides, im quite sure you could sneak one of these on ebike mtb trails without people objecting
I dont know about getting one with the 14,000 price tag Im around that for a new 500exc and suspension work.. I could enjoy it but the technology is just getting close to viable now and still needs more time to grow..
This would be amazing for $2-3000.
So get an electric mountain bike instead? :D My completely human powered cannondale custom carbon bike was 4500 in 2015.
@@Enonymouse_ Electric mountain bikes are $7000+ or don't even bother.
Insane! Chevy spark starts at 14 grand and thats a car
If I had to guess, the primary target of the Cake is people who like to ride mountain bikes downhill, but don't want to pedal them back up again. For the price tag you could get 3 Honda trail 125's (150 mile range!), and have money left over.
That thing looks like it was cobbled together by a couple of teeny boppers. And it looks like it's worth about 150 bucks.
Hey zach, I hope to see the BMW G310GS soon on daily rider!
They expect to sell these at 14k?! That's absurd!
Yep...But as my grandfather always said there's a sucker born every minute.
I think all these new e-bikes are a smart way for people working in the tech scenes in places like California to keep themselves employed. Sure the product sucks but they just need to attract some capital into their company for awhile and continue to pay their mortgage. Company goes under and all the employees move on to the next e-bike company. Rinse and repeat. It doesn't matter if the product is poorly designed, expensive, or unfeasible. As long as investors are throwing money at any idea that remotely might sell, you can keep living that Cali lifestyle.
This bike feels like someone who doesn’t know anything about bikes designed thinking electric is the way to save the environment.
Yeah it looks like shit.
If you lived in a moderate climate, and had a really short commute to work/school (like 5 to 10 miles), this might be okay. No gas tank--could save money on that, especially if you could charge your batteries at work. Electric motor has little (almost 'no') maintenance--only real consumable are tires. Might not be able to park in the bicycle rack, though--some busybody would notice the lack of pedals...
Nice review. I'm underwhelmed with the $14,000 bike, but encouraged with the technology.... You gotta start somewhere. Right?
If it was HALF the price - MAY BE, but $14000!!!!! Thats HD LiveWire territory!
I get that ev's are more expensive but 14k is insane for that.
But think of all the fuel savings, and oil.
I mean, I owned a $3k new grom for 3000kms and put like $200 worth of fuel through it... But over 100,000kms maybe it'll cover the extra $11,000 🤣
@@taylor2105 Screw it. Even if it made money while being ridden, i would never ride that crap. Man that engine noise is annoying. How did you not throw it in a bush and continued on foot?
@@micaradu5108 hahahaha I could ride it, but I'd never pay for it.
@@taylor2105 until you factor in electricity usage for charging, the inevitable battery replacement when it fails and the fact that you need to pay for multiple batteries that are easily changed if you don’t want to wait hours to charge.
Aside from the ohlins suspension, everything else seems to be very underwhelming for the price tag… if you want any sort of real power, you’d want at least 72v. 51v 50Ah battery for 14G just seems ridiculous.
I’ll pass on this thing, thanks.
What ever happened to the Triumph Trident review I’ve been waiting for ever since it got teased in the MT-07 one? Can we expect it anytime soon?
Tree jump names:
Rooty McTooty...
Jumpy McJumpface...
The Jump Formerly Known As Root...
The Root of All Evil Jumps...
Cat On A Hot Tin Root...
The Square Root of Jump...
My Jump, My Jump, My Rooty Baby Jump...
I am Root...
I can go all day long like this...
*plain Jane throwaway: The Alley-oop Whoop...
No kickstand switch?! How cheap can you be on a 14 grand bike? The Cake needs to bake in the oven a little longer.
reminds of that bike on Oblivion.
Ayyyyyy
Good question brickisred @ 27:28
You could get three of my NIU ngt for that price. No off roading but it does 50mph and the seat is very comfortable
Daily Rider suggestion that i will love to hear:
Honda CB 650 F
Honda CB 600 PC41
Yamaha FZ8
Suzuki GSXS 750
Suzuki GSR 750
Kawasaki Z800
Hope that maybe one of them will make it to daily rider , I drive now an Honda FMX 650 and will step up to a bigger naked bike like this ones :)
look at the brite side with short battery life you won't have to sit on that seat for long. It looks like just basic transportation, so maybe it would be ok for that, if you are not going to far
Please review a Sur Ron Light Bee next! It’s a bargain for the price! LunaCycle there in LA is who you should talk to.
Motor of 10kW is definitely caused by EU A1 rules. If you compare to a Honda Grom (also A1), how is it as a daily?
There is a writer for hiconsumption who called this horrible excuse for a motorcycle "the ultimate urban commuter bike" lol. He also called it an "almost certainly revolutionary two-wheeler". Crazy
Zack can you please make a daily ride on a ducati scrambler 800, and give your aspects on the L twin engine.
Would be greatly appreciated
2020 r6 decent mods and a track day or electric dirt bike that uses mountain bike wheels but mom will be happy with the kalk
I wouldn't tolerate that engine whine. Is it as bad in person as it is listening with headphones? Not that I'd actually consider this thing. Haha
@@helpfulcommenter I'd rather walk, thanks
i dont understand. what is so bad with the seat?
I wonder if a gear box would help extend range on an electric motorcycle, like reving your engine too high burns more fuel, does spinning too high burn more battery power? 🤔
A gearbox would require lubrication. All that adds a bunch of weight. You'd end up losing range rather than gaining as a result. Plus when it comes to electric motors the big savings in power usage comes from the top 10% or so of the motor's capacity. Once the motor gets below that top 10%, you're not saving that much more energy
@@NYCZ31 I don't think weight has that big of an impact on range unless you are stopping and accelerating over and over, once you get moving, it wouldn't take that much to keep it going, even my 600 pound harley gets 50mpg, it drops quick if im starting and stopping alot, would a taller final drive not save power? I heard teslas even have a second motor dedicated for highway use to get better range 🤔
On this because it's just an overly fancy E bike maybe a set of different sized sprockets on the rear and some sort of derailer mechanism like a 10 speed mountain bike
Looks like a concept bike that went straight from a designers concept sketchbook to production without testing and user experience validation.
At this point these niche bikes are for very specific uses. When you keep that in mind they are great. I am not sure where the Cake fits into this but it looks like it might be fun on the mountain bike single track trails. Problem I am finding is that it's harder than you think to find the perfect riding spots for these niche bikes. Many mountain bike trails don't want or allow us and then the offroad parks are too extreme in that they are tore up by 4x4s. I got the Electric Motion Escape recently and LOVE it! I ride different things regularly, yz450, wr250r, mountain bike, and now this EME is my favorite in that it is 183lbs, so nimble, way better turning radius than the Cake seems to be. It's born from the "Trials" bikes but they added a seat and more battery for range so its a technical "Trail" bike. If you take it to the tight trees, rocks, roots, etc filled single track with as much climb and decent as you can take she is a beast! It solemns over sand banks like your sking the glades. It will climb the nastest stuff with ease and dominate a KTM300 in this tight techy stuff. I am sold!! The quiet clean power with no clutch is amazing! The French did a great job, now I want more electric motorcycles, what's next? I did some vids on my channel but I hope you guys get one to test and take her to the tight tech and let her shine and tell us what you think? Thanks for the info.
Have you tried the Surron Ultra Bee? Seems to beat the EM espace based on specs? Could be wrong, I don’t know a lot about electric motorcycles.. yet 😁
Edit: googled EM espace vs Ultra bee after writing my comment and lo and behold, your video popped up. Currently watching
@@JohannesDalenMC cool! Yes, i have both and the UB is excellent value but for what i love most...noting we all enjoy different types of riding. I love all types including mx, etc.. but now I'm focused on technical trail blazing tight single track, etc. If you sent me on a mission to climb the hairest trail in Moab or Hatfield McCoy's I still would take the EM every time. It still inspires the most confidence and is the most capable of getting thru the safest IMO. Electric at this point is not going to work on wide open ripping trails for very long. They last pleanty when your in super tight technical trails or trail blazing. I wear out before they do. The EM traction is unstoppable. Combo of tires, power delivery, weight, etc. IMO its still worth the money. I'm looking forward to trying the brand new Beta electric bike. It seems like an interesting bike but my gut says something has to give at that price from that builder.. we'll see. Have fun.
Thank you for the thorough response.
I may be crazy for thinking this, but could a UB do as a daily rider to work, grocery shopping etc? Obviously depends on the distance, but it should be well within range. And then be trail ridden in on the weekends.
@@JohannesDalenMC yes, i think that would be great.
Thanks again! Will be an interesting project 😁
Id be willing to bet that rear brake is so strong because it activates regen.
It's also Dutch for calsium!
See, I'm about to start driving a truck over the road, and I've been looking around at possible transportation options that I can fit in/on my truck that will let park in truck stops and then go places, and something like this would be just about perfect. I can secure this behind the cab of my truck, the battery can be charged off the truck when it's running, it's light enough and skinny enough to fit behind the cab, and it's fast enough to go on whatever roads I'd have to if necessary.
But to hell with paying $14k on that, I'll pay a few hundred on a folding e bike instead and just eat the top speed drawback
Can someone explain where that $14k price tag comes from?
I think the torque is a more important specification that one might want to know about an electric bike, would love it if u include that spec in the description 😇
Inability to pull a wheelie kinda says it all. I do agree, though.
My 2022 six days ktm 500 dual sport cost me $13,500. The cake is $14,000. Take your pick
In my many years of riding I have always had a question in the back of my head that I thought you might be able to answer for me.
Why does the exaust come out the front of nearly all motorbikes and the carbies / injectors on the back of the motor?
Wouldn't it be more efficiant to have the exaust coming out of the back and the carbies / injectors in the front? Easier to not have to wrap the exaust around the motor and easier to ram air into an airbox if it is right at the front of the bike!!
Please help my to stop my sleepless nights.
It's for air cooling of the exhaust and the bulk of the motor protects the carb from road hazards.