Part One: How Conservatism Won | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
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Part One: How Conservatism Won | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert sits down with David Bell to discuss how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all)
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Whenever I think about conservative thinktanks, I'm reminded of Ross Noble's joke "gay marriage can be legal, but the honeymoon has to be spent destroying a windfarm."
44:25 "The kind of guys who are both interested in and able to get a job thinking about nuclear war all day...today we would cordon these people off from the rest of society by getting them into Warhammer 40,000."
Robert, I am highly offended by this factually correct statement.
Ciaphas Cain would be unsurprised by the lack of recognizing satire.
*laughs in Cegorach*
@@jcspoon573
Let's be real here, the inmates are running the asylum in Game Workshops.
The satire isn't noticed by a lot of 40k fans, and I say that as a 40k fan.
Just look at people trying to cosplay it in real wars and you start to see why british punks went from ironically using nazi imagery to needing to constantly stomp on skin heads who can't tell the difference.
...
Can I _please_ get reassigned to Tukayyid?
@@UsenameTakenWasTaken "The satire isn't noticed by a lot of 40k fans, and I say that as a 40k fan."
How does that distinguish 40k from every other satirical work in existence? There are people who think "A Modest Proposal" is funny because "ha ha unalive babies". Poe's Law, and all that.
Y'know what my takeaway is here? Conservatives thought that Liberalism had won for all time. It hadn't. There is a common sort of mindset of doomed-ness on the flip side today. But it may not be so bleak. There is still hope.
the 'meritocracy' lie -> rich people 'deserve' special treatment -> accepting trickle down theory
pissconomics
Even when it was proposed other republicans mocked it.
After 30 years, there is ample evidence that shit doesn't work.
But yeah, I guess some people really want rich people to piss on them.
I don't consent to those sort of watersports.
meritocracy -> inequality in inevitable because the rich are just better than you.
Johnathan Frakes really did do his best to make it obvious Riker was bisexual in ways that would sneak past the censors. One of the ways he did so was by researching our culture and understanding our advanced sitting in chairs weird techniques and using them whenever he could.
God bless that man. I hope he lives forever.
Frakes: "So, hear me out, but...what if the nonbinary character I kiss is played by a man?"
Rick "Tortures Women" Berman: "But that would look gayyyyy!"
Frakes: "...yes. That would kinda be the point."
Rick "Almost killed Jeri Ryan" Berman: "DENIED! Now I have to mutilate a female actress' career, see ya..."
And yet, no finger-guns.
Wait, didn't it come out a while back that Frakes had a pre-existing back injury and that's why he sat in chairs the way he did?
@@TheDarthbinkyCorrect. A Bareback injury.
Happy birthday Robert 🎉 our favorite theater kid turned high journalist- I hope all your wishes come true!
His Highness
@@Ansible1000 His Reverend-Doctor-ness
"The overwhelming lesson of history is there's no good way to do things." --Robert Evans
Always find it weird that the era that almost everyone of a certain age in America talks about the 1950s like it was the absolute apex of their country, with a great deal of nostalgia and conviction that we definitely need to get back to that...
...until anyone mentions how high the top rate of tax was back then. Then they get a bit more =/ about it.
Well, the tax rate isn't even most of it. The US government actively and directly played a role in rigging the market post ww2 to achieve full employment and raise wages and therefore the standard of living. Part of these efforts included HEAVILY regulated international trade and monetary systems to prevent outsourcing to countries that are happy to enslave their own people. This is genius from a government standpoint because it's actually... reaaaaaly hard to tax rich people. It's stupid hard. The US had 91% taxes? Yet it didn't actually seem to have any actual effect on the Ford family wealth did it? So the easiest method is to force rich people to pay workers more and thereby improve your tax base. You deprive the decentralized hard to tax investor class above Ford of their capacity to essentially be rent seekers AND improve government authority at the same time. The knock on is that it improves the lives of the average person in the country.
What happened was a coup. The international trade system failed and wasn't renegotiated, WHILE nobody wanted to negotiate with the oil states for trade terms WHILE the US was spending every free resource in Vietnam. The crisis was blamed on the existence of governance itself and now politicians hang themselves because we are convinced their power is "immoral."
That was also the decade that sewed the seeds of the unrest of the 1960s and the crises of the '70s. It's folly to segment decades like that and pretend "THIS was a good decade and THESE were the bad decades" and "We mvst retvrn to everything we were doing around that time so that everything will be just like it was."
It's not so much serious political thought as a nostalgic cargo cultism.
@@RickJaeger you have a very good point. Material progress of the era was done witn a backdrop of total crushing of the human soul. Both the soviet union and the usa had different versions of "progressive" totalitarianism. The beat generation, the hippies that followed, the feminist wave and the civil rights movements were all rebellions against the soul crushing order.
It's worth noting that the 1/10 the population who was black wasn't really having a great time. You don't go out as a group braving police violence as a recreational activity.
@@rustomkanishka - Yeah, to be clear, I'm not saying it was actually necessarily a better time - just that it's a time that a hell of a lot of people seem to *think* was some kind of golden age, even though they're completely opposed to recreating *any* of the conditions of that supposed golden age (except for the racism).
I love the idea of talking to POWs and extrapolating that morale was bad for an entire country. It would be like aliens interviewing teenage boys and concluding that the entire population of earth smelled bad, were constantly horny, and played nothing but Fortnite.
they would also surmise that humanity was a few years from ending as a whole.
I mean, other than the fortnite part...
Having read Frederick Taylor's manifesto, I cannot stress how pseudoscientific it is. I was so furious at how stupid he was that I left an amazon review for a book I didn't pay for. His whole thing basically rested on the idea that because he had an education he was clearly smarter than the workers and could direct them better at the job they've been doing for years, and that was mixed with quasi eugenic ideas of natural aptitudes and complaining that workers who didn't go hard enough (i.e pushing themselves to the limit) were ruining the company and therefore their own futures. "scientific management" isn't really scientific and is just a rich nepo baby huffing his own farts and doing a lot of circular reasoning.
I love how you could replace Frederick Taylor with Ayn Rand and your comment would still read the same
@@jinxed7915 If I believed in hell, her being in agony in hell would please me.
I find it odd how much the Soviets followed taylorism. To the extent that Linear Programing (econ101, fixed cost, marginal cost, total cost et.c.) was invented in the USSR but ignored.
"The Heritage Foundation"
"Thats a good fish name"
I fuckin love it.
And the Atlas Network, linked to the Heritage Foundation
Happy birthday Mr. Bastards!
I wish the term "tankie" meant "people who are part of, or who simp to the opinions of, think tanks"
Contrary to popular belief, "liberal" and "conservative" are not mutually exclusive, or even at odds with each other. Liberalism, at its heart, is the idea that people have individual rights and should be able to participate in their government. The Declaration of Independence and US Constitution are incredibly liberal documents. Thus, to be a true conservative in America means holding to liberal principles (and even the fascists claim to hold those principles); conversely, most "liberal" elected officials are actually pretty conservative in the sense that they oppose programs that would greatly benefit Americans because they don't want to fundamentally change the system.
Sounds true. Sadly, conservatives have been led to believe that liberals are the enemy ever since at least Reagan, and liberals have been led to believe that conservatives are buffoons ever since I don't know when. The rift we're seeing these days is at least 40 years in the making. Hopefully it's a darkest-before-the-dawn kind of thing.
A distinction without a difference
@@skaarphy5797Conservatives sold us trickle down, the war on drugs, the American involvement in Vietnam, the war on terror, the invasion and occupation of Iraq...
And IGNORED the AIDS crisis, global climate change, aging infrastructure, the opioid epidemic...
When have they NOT been buffoonish?
If you think Ivermectin will "cure" COVID you're a buffoon. If you think seeing an interracial couple on your screen is all part of a "White Genocide" agenda you're a buffoon. If you think a President can take any government created document home with him after he leaves office... you're a buffoon.
"Both Sides" was past its sell by date long before you opened the box.
The main ideology of the Republican party since the party switch has been "conservative liberalism"
I have been fighting the urge to write a long diatribe along these lines. "Liberal Conservatism" is a thing that exists. They're not mutually exclusive by any means.
Liberalism is *not* a leftist ideology. I know, I know, in the US we've been groomed for about 120 years to think of progressivism, liberalism, socialism (including communism, et al.) as essentially the same... but they're not. To be fair, in the 1780s-90s when the US got independence and France was having a revolution for the first time, the core Liberal idea that "people can have a government that doesn't involve a king" was considered very "leftist" - but the Overton window has shifted pretty hard since then, and the rise of socialism in the 1800s was a game changer.
In most countries, modern liberalism is considered a centrist ideology, usually right-leaning; and depending on country, can be considered pretty hard right-wing. The Liberal parties in Sweden and Australia, if I'm not mistaken, are pretty right-wing. It is in the US too but corporate and conservative ideologues have done a lot of work demonizing Leftism and conflating Liberalism with Leftism, especially socialism. In 1910 or so, Teddy Roosevelt gave a pretty progressivist speech in Kansas, and was immediately called a closet socialist by the press of the time (even though he was not a socialist, and actually disliked the socialists of his day). It's really been that long - probably longer - that the waters have been muddied by the right. Which is made even worse when pundits like Crowder and Prager claim to be "classical liberals" and in a wild stroke of irony, they're actually kinda correct (but not for the reasons they state).
The US doesn't really have any significant leftist representation in politics, so the Democrats are portrayed as leftists and demonized for it.
58:10 I'm reminded of the Canadian Mommy issues guy preparing for a debate on Marxism (that he used to talk about a whole lot), _with a proclaimed Marxist_ by...reading the pamphlet.
What's birthing my happies?!?
Goats!
Yeah, as a punk from the '80s, some of us thought the world was going to end. And as a fan of underground weathermen (& women) from the '70s, a few of us realized that it actually was ending. Ray-gun did more damage to America than pretty much everything else that ever did damage to America. Greed was good, and good was greed. And the working class was utterly screwed. A few of us could see that, at least.
Way to have been born, champ. Keep it up.
happy belated birthday robert!
So do we just send clippings or do we need to fully pull out the nails?
Depends how much you care
It's Robert; if it wasn't painful, did it really mean anything?
@@matthewbrooks5470 I hear you loud and clearly
I blame the Soviet Union, the New Deal and Gerald Ford. Bear with me. Lenin argued the reason we need a dictatorship of the proletariat is because the peasants will just always want wealth and not socialism, the new deal just made everyone Conservative middle class people. The Soviet Union, an atheist nuclear armed dictatorship that hates America, it’s like it was thought up in Conservative think tank. Lastly if Gerald fords moderate conservatism had just beaten Carter in 1976 the republicans would have been blamed for stagflation and Ted Kennedy would have walked away with the 1980 election.
56:18 and the Germans bombed London, but they didn't surrender, and the lesson we took is that the English specifically will not surrender, because they're so unique.
You've heard them talk right? They're definitely unique😂
@@HarryDirtay We Londoners are certainly... Different... 😜
If World War 2 has taught us nothing else, it's that the English are a notoriously bomb-resistant people.
The way Dave said happy birthday was way more adorable than I was expecting at 5 in the morning. Here's hoping that's a good sign for today!
yeah listening to Dave bell usually puts me in a good mood
Always love to hear a sidebar about how racist Woodrow Wilson was.
Until January 6 2021, Wilson was our worst president. Every terrible thing Trump did out of being an amoral f**kwit, Wilson did something similar out of being an educated monster.
Glorious belated womb escape day!
I've been putting off this one because it's fucking depressing. But substituting the term pervert for expert has highly enriched my life.
Assume a perfectly spherical Vietcong soldier
Underrated comment
HAPPY BIRTHDAY 🖤 🏴finger nails on the way
The three words that best describe Think Tanks are as follows, and I quote:
Stink! Stank! Stunk!
I always feel very odd clicking the "like" button on Behind the Bastards. Do I "like" the podcast? Yes. Do I "like" the topic? Not really lol
Excuse me, rude…OUR b’day 🎉 **winky finger guns**
Hbd 🎉
That's what I'm saying!
Man...the bad guys won. This is edifying but also incredibly depressing.
Happy Birthday Robert!
Show of hands of who thought "Tayloring" was "tailoring" their entire lives...like me.
Well as of today the Supreme Court basically outlawed protesting so I'd say conservatism hasn't just "kinda" won.
I bow before the greatness of this podcast.👐
Liberalism and neoliberalism are conservative ideologies. US liberals are not leftists and never were.
The only "political left" that exists in the US is "slightly to the left of literal nazis" at this point. And they used "the call to compromise" and fear mongering about communism to make it so.
@@peterpodgorski Not exactly true. There are Leftists in the US and there are even Leftist parties. They literally have no power...due to the collusion between the Uniparty and it's stifling of 3rd parties on ballots.
It's like a union for rich people...
I can’t hear this episode in any of the podcast platforms. Is there an issue with it?
Ok, where am I sending my fingernails?
Assuming this was recorded a week ago Robert has a late March birthday like me 🥰
Happy birthday Robert.
As a failed policy analyst, I endorse this episode.
Escalators were invented in 1859.
I hope Robert someday does a series on old Barry G Water , talked alot about him but never the whackdoo his proper due , freaked Castro tf out which is a terrifying idea , the guy who was willing to use Cuba as a sacrifical lamb to take out The us and survived over 600 assassination atempts was scared of somebody .
"the guy who was willing to use Cuba as a sacrifical lamb" You're probably thinking of a different guy?
@RobertDrane well he did say in a interview if he had been given control of nuclear weapons during the crisis he was willing to launch to take out The US off the map , that's what I am referring to .
@@bossbeartherock6034 I can't find any source for that. Do you remember where you heard it? (Edit : That's also not the same thing as being willing to use Cuba as a sacrificial lamb)
happy birthday! 🎉🎉🎉
congratulations on another successful orbit around the sun, Robert.
Happy Birthday Warhammer dork
Think Tanks sound like TV writer rooms saying ‘Yes, and…’
Meanwhile, real life policy is being made to shape the future of the country
Ugh, just finished a test. Good to hear these guys being snarky.
1:15 I did once give my boss my wisdom teeth. She thought they were cool because you could see the cavities.
54:02 They had to have had escalators or else they wouldn't have had "escalation" because Fun fact, the word "escalate" comes from the word "Escalator™️"
Around 58:00 they talk about a Libs of Tiktok interview that they froze up. What interview are they talking about?
Their leader did an interview and was a raging psychopath. It's pretty funny
Who else thought of Fallout: New Vegas during the start of this?
Y’all dropping this like, 12… 1 in da morning?… oh well🤷🏾♂️
I think the biggest jump from Brookings to RAND is going from finding out the facts to finding facts based on what is expected. It's not the malice of "paid to make studies that support specific things regardless of the facts", but is definitely on its way there.
*malice
@@user-dg1ry2ly5t I fixed it, thank you!
You sure you don't want the fingernails? Mine are impressively long.
happy flat earth day… i mean birthday
A Merry Womb Eviction Anniversary to you, good sir.
My god! So this is why everything is so fucking terrible 😢 thanks Powel! Its all so simple and obvious once you learn the history. It saddens me i knew nothing about this until now 😔
Yea, but it's important to deligitimize all the bullshit we were raised with
@@fkrkf I couldn't agree more. Just imagine how different this country would be if we were all comprehensively taught the real history of this country in school
For anyone interested in learning more about the nuclear bombings of Japan, and why their supposed necessity may not have been so cut and dry, Shaun has a great video on the subject: ruclips.net/video/RCRTgtpC-Go/видео.html
Approx 27:00 I appreciate a good "these data"
Self interest produces incoherence;
Selfishness produces corruption
He keeps mentioning Brookings with regards to the Pentagon papers.....I thought that was the Rand Corp?
48:42 survirvorship bias!
Robathan Robstar Birthmas!
Ominous..
I like everything about this show but the comedy.
Overall good episode but I have two small points:
1. RAND not Brookings was part of Pentagon Papers.
2. The episode title is misleading. This is only one important part of a larger story.
powell used to beat on black & hispanic ppl in arizona who tried to go to da polls
I had no idea this guest was the head writer for Some More News. I thought they had like 4 people working on it total... hardly enough to have a "head" of anything or bother mentioning it.
of COURSE robert is an Aries
Dave has clearly watched Slavoj Žižek’s A Pervert‘s Guide to Cinema. Flippin’ Freak.
Oh no I'm getting information from an Aries 🤮
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Let's see...House Unamerican Committee, University of Chicago, (Milton Friedman), John Birch Society, the flip with the Southern Strategy....I mean, it's kind of weird how much was left out when trying to tell the story of conservatism's rise. You did mention National Review and Ayn Rand at nearly seventy minutes in, but you went up through and finished the 1950's, into the mid '60's, with none of them being named? I mean, if you want, you can dismiss Rand for it being distopian fiction as you said, but William F Buckley founded National Review, kind of weird not to mention him either. Instead, you focus on how the Dems were so darkly supportive of the military, when for the most part, the Dems had been the party to take us to war. Until Reagan, the only real foreign war the Republicans initiated was the Spanish-American War. I'd argue that the preview of the positions we see today would be 1916. Sure, Wilson's a horrible racist, but moving past that, Hughes was the first real example of a Republican pushing for war and Dems ardently being anti-war. It's considered THE reason Wilson was able to get re-elected, not the Democrat typical position. The Congress that didn't want Wilson's League of Nations was a Democratically controlled congress. But Hughes also ran on the agenda specifically of removing liberal laws previous Republicans put in place like the 16th Amendment and the Adamson act.
Until the switch to Conservatism along with the Southern Strategy, Republicans typically were the peaceniks. Here, Landon's 1936 RNC nomination acceptance speech included "Republican presidents sent delegates to the Hague conferences and one of them took the leading part in the termination of the Russo-Japanese war. Another Republican President called a conference which, for the first time, produced a reduction and limitation of arms on a wide scale. Still another led in securing the treaty outlawing wars. In purpose and achievement, our party has a record which points the way to further helpful service in creating international understanding, in removing the causes of war, and in reducing and limiting arms. We shall take every opportunity to promote among the nations a peace based upon justice and human rights. We shall join in no plan that would take from us that independence of judgment which has made the United States a power for good in the world. We shall join in no plan that might involve us in a war in the beginning of which we had no part, or that would build a false peace on the foundation of armed camps."
That's the guy running *AGAINST* FDR, and this is *before* Germany's invasion of Poland where anti-war could be dismissed as just being at least semi-ok with Nazis. Peaceniks. I didn't shrink Landon's quote with ellipses because he literally said all of that about it together, without distraction. Granted, Willkie wouldn't have the same anti-war position in 1940, but his position was merely to assist allies, not begin a war. When we finally did have another Republican president, Ike, he's the one who ended his presidency warning about us the military-industrial complex. It's a common arguing point and well discussed how the two parties switched position on racial issues after Ike and with Johnson v Goldwater, but warhawkishness was just as big a flip-flop between them in our history.
Won, but can’t seem to win elections though. 😂😅
You don't think that the Democrats are Conservatives? Must suck to be you then...
you're the guy that writes the cringe comedyt on Some More News
I like to say I'm socially right fiscally left. It makes sense to me because I'm a social libertarian but want a well regulated market.
the left has done more to advance social liberties than the right ever did so not sure where you're getting this from. the left doesn't tell who you can mingle with or screw, it doesn't tell you what bus seat you can get on, what drugs you can or can't take as long as you're not harming anyone else, doesn't force you to have a child you don't want, doesn't impose a god or casts on you. the idea that libertarian is a right wing concept is a lie that right wing libertarians have pushed all over the place but has no bearing in History. The only restriction of freedom inherent to left wing ideology is capping the wealth of individuals at a level that allows others to live decently
Increase the scope of your thought- regulation is not enough, we must abolish the market, the things people need to live are not commodities to be bought and sold
Is this guy still pushing war with Syria?
Please start to cover Project 2025 on BTB or on It could happen here.
I found it impossible to listen to this episode because the guest is borderline illiterate about very basic aspects of reality and every time he opened his mouth I had to strain to stop my bones ejecting from my body.
Please do us all a favor and stop staining quite so hard.
@@nonasuomi282 staining?
They decided not to use nukes in Vietnam, because there was too many of the enemy, impossible to wipe them out, they still wouldn’t surrender, and nukes have bad optics.
Note that some of the “Big Six” in Japan still wouldn’t surrender after they were nuked twice. They didn’t care. But the threat of Tokyo (including Hirohito) being nuked, twisted their arm.
And they didn't want to surrender even then - the Emperor had to get personally involved and they STILL tried to stop him from doing so (the Kyujo incident).
BS yank propaganda. The Japanese were collapsing in on themselves and were being defeated on every front. Yanks didnt need to ruthlessly exterminate more people then they already did.