Hi 🏴. I was taught this in the Army back in the 80s. Don’t know why people use the stuff sacks. Still using this system now. As you say. Fast deployment and quicker run away 😆
You wanna see the shit I get in the comments for (Not) using stuff sacks, by the know it all, know nothing arm chair experts....lol Even on my muti-night long distance treks, using civilian lightweight gear, I would still rather line the pack liner, rather than compression sacks and stuff sacks. While others are still stuffing kit, I was gone 10 minutes ago....lol
Makes perfect sense to keep all of your sleep system together and considering Army gears weight that pretty good and will out last any light weight alternatives ....Have a Blessed Night Bex 🙏👍🤙
Thanx for watching Dean. I still like to go lightweight even with surplus kit, just by minimising the amount of individual components. I'll never convince the over packer tho....lol Have a peaceful weekend....b
Dave Canterbury made some great points on this light weight idea on his shadows of nesmuk series. Besides even if you aren't packing plates, that 200 - 300 rounds of ammo add up quickly enough.
Dave Canterbury uses some of the heaviest gear I have ever seen (oil canvas cloths , wool blankets etc) There are no plates or ammo rounds to be seen here....
@@bexbugoutsurvivor yeah that's why his series on ultra light setups was so different. As for the rest of my comment it had more to do with why you might need the shelter portion to be light. Just thinking ahead.
I dont know what it is mate but I chill right out watching your vids. Keep up the good work mate. Fairplay. I've had a tonne of inspiration watching your stuff. I really think you should go into teaching kids about the out doors.
I've watched a few of your videos now and I've got to say I'm glad I did. I just tried packing an overnight bag without stuff sacks and put the sleep system together (which was a bivy too) and I have so much more room in the rucksack! It's daft I've not tried it before! I think it fills the space more because of the shape. With all my stuff sacks etc there was probably so much wasted space! 😂 Glad I've found this channel. Thanks ☺
Love your videos BEX GREAT info prefect timing just ordered few Dutch hooped bivi brand new from Germany still in plastic bags rare find . Also got the Dutch thick foam mats . One going spare on gumtree Leeds Westyorkshire.
Seems like what we would do when I was serving in Vietnam with the poncho and poncho liner or as some would call it a woobie, with the liner for warmth and the poncho to stay somewhat dry by putting both of them together making a sleep system. what some now call a ranger roll.
Have you considered a down or synthetic down bag or quilt? So much size and weight savings. Look into Enlightened Equipment. I have the US MSS and it’s heavy lol. I want to keep the bivy and use my down quilt and Nemo tensor insulated pad. Thanks for the video
Have you considered looking to see if a video on down or synthetic bags or quilts has already been done...I have also done a videos on mixing down with a bivvy both lightweight bivvy and standard Gore-tex....
Mozzi net seems okay for the UK summer, but overseas sub tropics, I have heard lads moan the mozzis are small and can still bite. For me I hate the feeling of a net in my face as I try to sleep, so tie the hoo d to a tree, for example. As for sleeping bag experience, I will never go back to polyester fill chop staple insulation ever again, regardless of who makes it. I will always use (Climashield Apex insulation) which is warmer and lighter than polyester per square foot/metre, and will even insulate if you and the bag are completely wet. The Brit modular bags are (Climashield apex) insulation, as are Carinthia bags. Although other manufactures offer cheaper polyester insulation fill bags, there are elements of my kit I will never compromise on, a lightweight warm when wet, good nights sleep is one of them. Focus on & Invest in your sleeping bag and shelter kit, other kit will will fall into place naturally, such as a suitable size pack/ruck to put your shelter and insulation in later..... Always buy Sleeping bags from new, never used. Lightweight warm when wet, comfort of minus 10C for £60 a bargain. link below. He might have the lightweight outer too. www.varusteleka.com/en/product/british-modular-defence-4-sleeping-bag-surplus/61174 I am not affiliated with this company, its just the best company to get good kit cheap....bex
The Brit Mod bags come in regular and large, both classed as lightweight, buy the large lightweight, and fit it over your existing bag, not inside it. I never tie bags together even with the ability to do so with no issues...Thanx for watching
Hello Bex, you say the roll won't fit through the collar/mouth of the PLCE Bergans. What I would be interested in, have you ever tried whether the roll fits through the collar of the Lowe Saracen ??? With best regards from Germania Jürgen
I have put a larger bed roll into the Saracen with ease. If you remove the pad from the bed roll it will fit the collar mouth of the CS95 plce Bergen, but defeats the objective... If I travel with a bed roll I don't use a pack at all, but instead use a shoulder sling and bottle webbing, (full how to video coming up in a few weeks time) A sling is not for everyone, but has a personal preference for me, as I don't travel with many individual elements to my night kit. A ruck may be favoured by people who feel the need to carry many individual components, or folk who are too small minded to broaden their horizons. lol
i have thought numerous times over the last few years about a system like this, where i could literally throw down a bivi for a stealth camp pretty much anywhere out of sight. Its not really practical for me currently thou, as i camp with a coyote and he feels the cold .. so i end up carrying a blanket for him and he gets upset if i sleep in a hammock or bivi bag ... he likes to cuddle up or sleep in the crook of my legs, lol I have run into issues with the sleeping mat part of my set up ... tried everything from ground sheets, to foam mats, to inflatables, to wool blankets ... and combinations of the above, cant really find anything that works and is compact ... am looking at spongy foam type fabric, i tried some years ago ... amazingly comfy and warm but to bulky to man pack. Am sure i can find a thinner foam thou. (just havent yet) Another something i have been experimenting with is, stringing my hammock up 6 inches off the floor, so it negates the need for a sleeping mat and i just put something draped over the top down to the floor, to block the wind in colder weather (such as a tarp). It works most of the time ... plus im low enough for the coyote to snuggle into, lol
My wife's hound loves camping with me, bivvy bag/tent/or hammock, but he barks at every bit of noise, (location compromised)....lol I am testing three different types of foam mats, the one in this video was the micro platies foam (illegal to sell new) environment laws, the other is a vintage polish IPA foam, and one is similar to packing foam only 1/2th inch thick, all great on their own above 6C and all crap at zero even 3 staked and wrapped in a wool blanket. If you are looking for superlight look for the Highlander 5 season Nato mat 240 grams, cut it to the same shape as your doss bag, then put it inside the bag with you, like a hot box so minimal layering even below zero. I seem to keep going back to my sheepskin double length for winter use, maggot opened out like a duvet. 800 grams penalty but I no longer bring secondary layering, hence the buffalo smock, seen recently. Atb....bex
I recently tried your no stuff sack technique, on a hammock overnighter, and to be honest mate it just didn't work for me, takes up way too much room comparatively speaking. I went out with a 45L pack, in the pack was Solognac Hammock, Softie 9 Sleeping bag, Klymit sleeping pad, puffy jacket, minimal cookset comprising of trangia and generic Chinese pot and cup set. Tarp was in one of the outer pockets. I carried it all out in that bag in stuff sacks and decided when returning I would forgo the stuff sacks for the bag (I was wearing the jacket); not a hope in hell of getting it all back in the bag. I would have needed a 60L+ pack to get it all back in whereas in the stuff sacks it fits quite comfortably in a 45 with room to spare. I live in a very urban area, off the North Downs where all stealth camping rules must be observed to avoid getting rumbled. If I wondered out with a 60+ before sundown I'd stick out like tits on a goldfish whereas a well packed 45 blends in. I can't imagine how big a pack I would need if I had used my medium weight British bag. I guess the long and short is carrying gear as you do in full size packs minus the stuff sacks very much depends on your surrounding environment, where I am it would just be way to obvious. By the way I was at a Classic & Hotrod car show yesterday and loads of traders were selling HDF foam in varying thicknesses 👍👍
Loose filling takes less space (no dead spaces) compared to stuff sacks (round balls in a square box). Sounds like you are trying to to stuff 1/2 Lb of sausage meat into a 1 oz skin. Seems too much kit for 45 litres., adjust the litreage of the pack accordingly. British army CEMO (complete equipment marching order) is sleeping bag/bivvy/basha/roll pad/wet & drys, not a lot of kit but issued to a 100 litre bergen, to implement being combat ready quickly. If you have a fondness for stuff sacks and small packs for what ever reason that is your personal preference, and my personal preference is just different to yours. I am sure there are tens of thousands of other youtube channels that will show video content that is more familiar to you. This channel focuses on alternative methodology, that may not suit your viewing. Someone like Paul messner might be more your speed I think....All the best bex
@@bexbugoutsurvivor Not a fan of Messner to be honest, too much product placement and focus on high end overpriced gear for the brand snobs, not me at all.
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Hi 🏴. I was taught this in the Army back in the 80s. Don’t know why people use the stuff sacks. Still using this system now. As you say. Fast deployment and quicker run away 😆
You wanna see the shit I get in the comments for (Not) using stuff sacks, by the know it all, know nothing arm chair experts....lol Even on my muti-night long distance treks, using civilian lightweight gear, I would still rather line the pack liner, rather than compression sacks and stuff sacks.
While others are still stuffing kit, I was gone 10 minutes ago....lol
You do some great ideas and useful. Pity there wasn't someone like you and RUclips when I joined up in 89
I appreciate that!
Makes perfect sense to keep all of your sleep system together and considering Army gears weight that pretty good and will out last any light weight alternatives ....Have a Blessed Night Bex 🙏👍🤙
Thanx for watching Dean. I still like to go lightweight even with surplus kit, just by minimising the amount of individual components. I'll never convince the over packer tho....lol
Have a peaceful weekend....b
Dave Canterbury made some great points on this light weight idea on his shadows of nesmuk series. Besides even if you aren't packing plates, that 200 - 300 rounds of ammo add up quickly enough.
Dave Canterbury uses some of the heaviest gear I have ever seen (oil canvas cloths , wool blankets etc) There are no plates or ammo rounds to be seen here....
@@bexbugoutsurvivor yeah that's why his series on ultra light setups was so different. As for the rest of my comment it had more to do with why you might need the shelter portion to be light. Just thinking ahead.
I dont know what it is mate but I chill right out watching your vids. Keep up the good work mate. Fairplay. I've had a tonne of inspiration watching your stuff. I really think you should go into teaching kids about the out doors.
I love your material :-) military old pure technick nice, i love british DPM, MTP surplus 🙏👍🤙 god bless you Bex :-D
Excellent Tip! Thanks Brother for making another Awesome Educational Video. Cheers from Swansea SC. Keep Trail Blazing!
Great little set up there Buz.
Thanks 👍
I've watched a few of your videos now and I've got to say I'm glad I did. I just tried packing an overnight bag without stuff sacks and put the sleep system together (which was a bivy too) and I have so much more room in the rucksack! It's daft I've not tried it before! I think it fills the space more because of the shape. With all my stuff sacks etc there was probably so much wasted space! 😂 Glad I've found this channel. Thanks ☺
Bex , great video, good idea and tips , thanks for sharing , God bless !
Happy Easter Bex 👍
You too
Thank you for the great video lots of options to run lite when possible stay safe my friend.
Professor you should be teaching this stuff to our military
Interesting. Been considering a bed/bivvy roll . Food for thought again Bex 👍
Love your videos BEX GREAT info prefect timing just ordered few Dutch hooped bivi brand new from Germany still in plastic bags rare find . Also got the Dutch thick foam mats .
One going spare on gumtree Leeds Westyorkshire.
Seems like what we would do when I was serving in Vietnam with the poncho and poncho liner or as some would call it a woobie, with the liner for warmth and the poncho to stay somewhat dry by putting both of them together making a sleep system. what some now call a ranger roll.
Have you considered a down or synthetic down bag or quilt? So much size and weight savings. Look into Enlightened Equipment. I have the US MSS and it’s heavy lol. I want to keep the bivy and use my down quilt and Nemo tensor insulated pad. Thanks for the video
Have you considered looking to see if a video on down or synthetic bags or quilts has already been done...I have also done a videos on mixing down with a bivvy both lightweight bivvy and standard Gore-tex....
Looks like that thing is the dutch bivy bag. Is it safe to sleep inside with the bag completely sealed up? Can you actually breathe?
Is the Mosquitoe net any good on the British Army lightweight sleeping bag.If not have any experience of Vango Planet 50 bag.Thanks
Mozzi net seems okay for the UK summer, but overseas sub tropics, I have heard lads moan the mozzis are small and can still bite. For me I hate the feeling of a net in my face as I try to sleep, so tie the hoo d to a tree, for example.
As for sleeping bag experience, I will never go back to polyester fill chop staple insulation ever again, regardless of who makes it. I will always use (Climashield Apex insulation) which is warmer and lighter than polyester per square foot/metre, and will even insulate if you and the bag are completely wet.
The Brit modular bags are (Climashield apex) insulation, as are Carinthia bags. Although other manufactures offer cheaper polyester insulation fill bags, there are elements of my kit I will never compromise on, a lightweight warm when wet, good nights sleep is one of them. Focus on & Invest in your sleeping bag and shelter kit, other kit will will fall into place naturally, such as a suitable size pack/ruck to put your shelter and insulation in later.....
Always buy Sleeping bags from new, never used.
Lightweight warm when wet, comfort of minus 10C for £60 a bargain. link below. He might have the lightweight outer too.
www.varusteleka.com/en/product/british-modular-defence-4-sleeping-bag-surplus/61174
I am not affiliated with this company, its just the best company to get good kit cheap....bex
Would the lightweight British Army Modular bag fit inside a old issue Artic Sleeping bag I know you can't tie them together just I have artic already.
The Brit Mod bags come in regular and large, both classed as lightweight, buy the large lightweight, and fit it over your existing bag, not inside it. I never tie bags together even with the ability to do so with no issues...Thanx for watching
@@bexbugoutsurvivor Thanks also is the Mosquito net up to the job.
Hello Bex,
you say the roll won't fit through the collar/mouth of the PLCE Bergans.
What I would be interested in, have you ever tried whether the roll fits through the collar of the Lowe Saracen ???
With best regards from Germania
Jürgen
I have put a larger bed roll into the Saracen with ease. If you remove the pad from the bed roll it will fit the collar mouth of the CS95 plce Bergen, but defeats the objective...
If I travel with a bed roll I don't use a pack at all, but instead use a shoulder sling and bottle webbing, (full how to video coming up in a few weeks time) A sling is not for everyone, but has a personal preference for me, as I don't travel with many individual elements to my night kit. A ruck may be favoured by people who feel the need to carry many individual components, or folk who are too small minded to broaden their horizons. lol
@@bexbugoutsurvivor There will be a particularly suitable solution for every purpose.
Hiya bex in the future it would be good to see a webbing set up
I think there are about 3 webbing videos, pre recorded waiting to go, each a different set up for different applications....b
@@bexbugoutsurvivor super, looking forward to see them
i have thought numerous times over the last few years about a system like this,
where i could literally throw down a bivi for a stealth camp pretty much anywhere out of sight.
Its not really practical for me currently thou, as i camp with a coyote and he feels the cold .. so i end up carrying a blanket for him and he gets upset if i sleep in a hammock or bivi bag ... he likes to cuddle up or sleep in the crook of my legs, lol
I have run into issues with the sleeping mat part of my set up ... tried everything from ground sheets, to foam mats, to inflatables, to wool blankets ... and combinations of the above, cant really find anything that works and is compact ... am looking at spongy foam type fabric, i tried some years ago ... amazingly comfy and warm but to bulky to man pack. Am sure i can find a thinner foam thou. (just havent yet)
Another something i have been experimenting with is, stringing my hammock up 6 inches off the floor, so it negates the need for a sleeping mat and i just put something draped over the top down to the floor, to block the wind in colder weather (such as a tarp). It works most of the time ... plus im low enough for the coyote to snuggle into, lol
My wife's hound loves camping with me, bivvy bag/tent/or hammock, but he barks at every bit of noise, (location compromised)....lol
I am testing three different types of foam mats, the one in this video was the micro platies foam (illegal to sell new) environment laws, the other is a vintage polish IPA foam, and one is similar to packing foam only 1/2th inch thick, all great on their own above 6C and all crap at zero even 3 staked and wrapped in a wool blanket.
If you are looking for superlight look for the Highlander 5 season Nato mat 240 grams, cut it to the same shape as your doss bag, then put it inside the bag with you, like a hot box so minimal layering even below zero.
I seem to keep going back to my sheepskin double length for winter use, maggot opened out like a duvet. 800 grams penalty but I no longer bring secondary layering, hence the buffalo smock, seen recently.
Atb....bex
I recently tried your no stuff sack technique, on a hammock overnighter, and to be honest mate it just didn't work for me, takes up way too much room comparatively speaking. I went out with a 45L pack, in the pack was Solognac Hammock, Softie 9 Sleeping bag, Klymit sleeping pad, puffy jacket, minimal cookset comprising of trangia and generic Chinese pot and cup set. Tarp was in one of the outer pockets. I carried it all out in that bag in stuff sacks and decided when returning I would forgo the stuff sacks for the bag (I was wearing the jacket); not a hope in hell of getting it all back in the bag. I would have needed a 60L+ pack to get it all back in whereas in the stuff sacks it fits quite comfortably in a 45 with room to spare. I live in a very urban area, off the North Downs where all stealth camping rules must be observed to avoid getting rumbled. If I wondered out with a 60+ before sundown I'd stick out like tits on a goldfish whereas a well packed 45 blends in. I can't imagine how big a pack I would need if I had used my medium weight British bag. I guess the long and short is carrying gear as you do in full size packs minus the stuff sacks very much depends on your surrounding environment, where I am it would just be way to obvious. By the way I was at a Classic & Hotrod car show yesterday and loads of traders were selling HDF foam in varying thicknesses 👍👍
Loose filling takes less space (no dead spaces) compared to stuff sacks (round balls in a square box). Sounds like you are trying to to stuff 1/2 Lb of sausage meat into a 1 oz skin. Seems too much kit for 45 litres., adjust the litreage of the pack accordingly.
British army CEMO (complete equipment marching order) is sleeping bag/bivvy/basha/roll pad/wet & drys, not a lot of kit but issued to a 100 litre bergen, to implement being combat ready quickly.
If you have a fondness for stuff sacks and small packs for what ever reason that is your personal preference, and my personal preference is just different to yours. I am sure there are tens of thousands of other youtube channels that will show video content that is more familiar to you. This channel focuses on alternative methodology, that may not suit your viewing. Someone like Paul messner might be more your speed I think....All the best bex
@@bexbugoutsurvivor Not a fan of Messner to be honest, too much product placement and focus on high end overpriced gear for the brand snobs, not me at all.
Bex, could you please contact me via the email on my you tube page. I am looking the get some help locating a certain couple of pieces of british kit.