Without a doubt one of the best Special Edition changes. No offense to Clive Revill or the late Marjorie Eaton, but Ian McDiarmid is just so much better.
Plus, the original Emperor wouldn’t fit continuity wise. In the first three movies, Emperor Palpatine has a consistent look. But then in Episode 5, he looks completely different, but is back to normal in Episode 6, which canonically takes place one year later? Reshooting the scene with Ian McDiarmid really is the better option in this case.
@@guspeixoto7740 yeah I don't think anyone could really argue too much and try to justify why they feel it shouldn't have been changed. Also the same way they decided to change boba fetts voice to temura morrison from wingreen, even though I actually preferred the original voice of boba fett, it made sence for continuity if he spoke like the rest of the clones
What's going on through the heads of the people who say the original is superior? It was one of the worst effects in the movie, they superimposed a monkey's eyes over a human face.
Well since you're asking, the dialog was better in the original, since they decided to fuck it up in the special edition and make it so Vader doesn't even know Luke is his son to keep continuity with the shitty prequels
@@50hzphotography66 lol. The prequels are better than the OT. The fans who say otherwise complain about shit like "oh no politics in my Star Wars"... as if the OT wasn't one big commentary about the Vietnam War and US imperialism. There's some cringe in all 6 movies to be sure, but they are all of a theme. The Disney Sequels, though... Those are kind of shit.
@@againstfasces5222 Politics in the prequels isn't the reason they're not as good. To be clear, I love both the OT and prequels. But the OT are just better movies. The action sequences, world, visuals, music, and overall story is great in the prequels, but the OT just has way better dialogue, they're more fun, more relatable, and emotional.
I think the updated version would have been better if they changed the camera angle (scene set up or something relevant to that, English isn't my mother tongue) and prosthetics for Palpatine. It kinda degrades the intimidating factor that he brings to the audience.
I don't really mind the original, but the current version is much better. Since it is perfectly tied in with the events of ESB's direct followup: ROTJ.
Lucas THOUGHT it was keeping continuity with the prequels. But it's stupid. There is no reason why Vader wouldn't have worked it out. Now, he says 'how is that possible?' highlighting the fact that the emperor said Vader killed Padme. It sort of makes out he hadn't heard the rumours, the legend of Luke blowing up the death star , or got something through imperial intelligence, and putting two and two together. And now it's like he's stupid, totally trusting the emperor. And ok, a day or so later he's enticing Luke to overthrow the emperor, so perhaps his loyalty is now in question due to the emperor's lies twenty three years ago. But the problem is, what about Return of the Jedi, where he didn't know about a sister? So the emperor has no doubt that the x wing pilot was Luke without them knowing a name but Leia was right under their noses and a pain in the neck the last several years and instrumental in the rebellion and escape from, and destruction of, the death star and the emperor can't see that? Or did Lucas know in 2005 that Disney would make Leia force deficient and the emperor can see Disney ? It's stupid and it makes vader look stupid, rather than the clever dialogue of the first version which makes them look clever regardless of what the prequels are, or if they aren't existing It's completely unnecessary
Also can someone please explain why he says 'he's just a boy. Obi Wan can no longer help him.' This is the same as the old version. Before he says this, in the McDiarmid version, I'm to think neither of them knew that someone called Skywalker blew up the death star, by name. But when he says this, we are now to think that Vader knew, but dismissed it as it being impossible to be his son. Now, all of a sudden, he knew Obi Wan was poised to help his son. Her didn't even know that this Skywalker was on the death star! He and Tarkins' reports on the death star knew about Obi Wan turning up with others, and rescuing Leia, her returning plans all the way to the rebel base, and he glimpsed a pilot of the falcon and a couple of other misfits. It makes no sense. This made total sense originally and NONE of it needed changing.
@@user-1999emperor This is how it should have been done. It would satisfy everyone on the appearance front and arguably everyone on the dialogue front : ruclips.net/video/h0q0CF5Y1cI/видео.html
For continuity the updated one is better, but the dialogue from the original is far superior. Updated/added lines are unnecessary, don’t add anything to the story, and actually degrade it just slightly.
One hundred percent. Lucas THOUGHT it was keeping continuity with the prequels. But it's stupid. There is no reason why Vader wouldn't have worked it out. Now, he says 'how is that possible?' highlighting the fact that the emperor said Vader killed Padme. It sorts of makes out he hadn't heard the rumours, the legend of Luke blowing up the death star , or got something through imperial intelligence, and putting two and two together. And now it's like he's stupid, totally trusting the emperor. And ok, a day or so later he's enticing Luke to overthrow the emperor, so perhaps his loyalty is now in question due to the emperor's lies twenty three years ago. But the problem is, what about Return of the Jedi, where he didn't know about a sister? So the emperor has no doubt that the x wing pilot was Luke without them knowing a name but Leia was right under their noses and a pain in the neck the last several years and instrumental in the rebellion and escape from, and destruction of, the death star and the emperor can't see that? Or did Lucas know in 2005 that Disney would make Leia force deficient and the emperor can see Disney ? Lucas tries to tie up what he thought in 1980, without bothering with what he thought in 1981 when he wrote Jedi, and therefore its influence on what he wrote in 2003. It's stupid and it makes vader look stupid, rather than the clever dialogue of the first version which makes them look clever regardless of what the prequels are, or if they aren't existing It's completely unnecessary
Also can someone please explain why he says 'he's just a boy. Obi Wan can no longer help him.' This is the same as the old version. Before he says this, I'm to think neither of them knew that someone called Skywalker blew up the death star, by name. But when he says this, we are now to think that Vader knew, but dismissed it as it being impossible to be his son. Now, all of a sudden, he knew Obi Wan was poised to help his son. Her didn't even know that this Skywalker was on the death star! He and Tarkins' reports on the death star knew about Obi Wan turning up with others, and rescuing Leia, her returning plans all the way to the rebel base, and he glimpsed a pilot of the falcon and a couple of other misfits. It makes no sense. He didn't even know Obi Wan had met Luke. Lucas original point was that Vader thought that immortality was nonesense, but he was wrong, hence all that obsession with Obi Wan in episodes 5 and 6. This made total sense originally and NONE of it needed changing.
The special edition really emphasizes just how much Palpatine is the master (as well as the better visuals) with the superb way Ian McDiarmid delivers the dialogue, whereas in the previous one it sounds more like Vader is an equal. His facial expression rarely changes either (count how many times he blinks) which suggests that he does not care about any of his subordinates.
Prefer the voice and face of McDiarmid although by adding the 'he destroyed the death star' bit, it made Vader's 'He's just a boy' comment seem to have excessive motive or be too disingenuous.
Agreed, and the dialogue didn't need changing. Lucas THOUGHT it was keeping continuity with the prequels. But it's stupid. There is no reason why Vader wouldn't have worked it out. Now, he says 'how is that possible?' highlighting the fact that the emperor said Vader killed Padme. It sorts of makes out he hadn't heard the rumours, the legend of Luke blowing up the death star , or got something through imperial intelligence, and putting two and two together. And now it's like he's stupid, totally trusting the emperor. And ok, a day or so later he's enticing Luke to overthrow the emperor, so perhaps his loyalty is now in question due to the emperor's lies twenty three years ago. But the problem is, what about Return of the Jedi, where he didn't know about a sister? So the emperor has no doubt that the x wing pilot was Luke without them knowing a name but Leia was right under their noses and a pain in the neck the last several years and instrumental in the rebellion and escape from, and destruction of, the death star and the emperor can't see that? Or did Lucas know in 2005 that Disney would make Leia force deficient and the emperor can see Disney ? Lucas tries to tie up what he thought in 1980, without bothering with what he thought in 1981 when he wrote Jedi, and therefore its influence on what he wrote in 2003. It's stupid and it makes vader look stupid, rather than the clever dialogue of the first version which makes them look clever regardless of what the prequels are, or if they aren't existing It's completely unnecessary
Also can someone please explain why he says 'he's just a boy. Obi Wan can no longer help him.' This is the same as the old version. Before he says this, I'm to think neither of them knew that someone called Skywalker blew up the death star, by name. But when he says this, we are now to think that Vader knew, but dismissed it as it being impossible to be his son. Now, all of a sudden, he knew Obi Wan was poised to help his son. Her didn't even know that this Skywalker was on the death star! He and Tarkins' reports on the death star knew about Obi Wan turning up with others, and rescuing Leia, her returning plans all the way to the rebel base, and he glimpsed a pilot of the falcon and a couple of other misfits. It makes no sense. This made total sense originally and NONE of it needed changing.
Ian McDiarmid filmed this new scene during the filming of Episode III-Revenge of the Sith, and then it was incorporated into Episode V-The Empire Strikes Back.
@@nathancruz9172 yeah I kinda thought that, it wasn't until the prequels were out before lucas started to change the originals to match those, like replace boba fetts voice, replace the emporer and use hayden instead of Shaw at the end of jedi. It's amazing how many changes have occurred over the years
I think the new dialogue would have been fine, had they kept Vader's theatrical "yes, my master" in between the added "Rebel who destroyed the death star" & "Offspring of Anakin" lines. Then, there would be more clarification of Vader actively choosing to lie to Palpatine (because Lies, Deception, and Betrayal are what the Sith are all about) instead of seeming oblivious like in the official 2004 version.
The original version is honestly creepier and better performed. Obviously, it makes more sense from a continuity standpoint that they reshot the footage with Ian McDiarmid for the Special Editions though. Still, like with the vast majority of the Special Edition changes, I prefer the original unaltered version myself.
I know I’m just pointing out something for no reason but hire how people say this was done for the special edition even though it was done after for the dvd release which is not the special edition like people say the dvd and blue ray are
@@samuel-wankenobi That's arguing semantics though. The DVD and Blu-Ray editions are essentially the latest "patched" versions of the Special Editions; the Special Editions with further revisions.
@@samuel-wankenobi My VHS copies of the original unaltered trilogy are labelled as "digitally remastered", so no; I'll stick to referring to the altered versions as the Special Editions. Everyone knows what people mean when they say Special Editions. Most people will be left confused if you say "digitally remastered" in reference to the altered Blu-Ray/DVD editions.
I prefer the original version. The discrete language is not only intriguing, but also misleading for first viewers, leaving the ultimate reveal to be a surprise.
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@@PureMX33 it's not my fault you're a youtuber who sucks at editing. tons of channels have no problem doing what you want to act like is impossible. i don't accept your lame excuse for sucking.
Agreed, and the dialogue didn't need changing. Lucas THOUGHT it was keeping continuity with the prequels. But it's stupid. There is no reason why Vader wouldn't have worked it out. Now, he says 'how is that possible?' highlighting the fact that the emperor said Vader killed Padme. It sorts of makes out he hadn't heard the rumours, the legend of Luke blowing up the death star , or got something through imperial intelligence, and putting two and two together. And now it's like he's stupid, totally trusting the emperor. And ok, a day or so later he's enticing Luke to overthrow the emperor, so perhaps his loyalty is now in question due to the emperor's lies twenty three years ago. But the problem is, what about Return of the Jedi, where he didn't know about a sister? So the emperor has no doubt that the x wing pilot was Luke without them knowing a name but Leia was right under their noses and a pain in the neck the last several years and instrumental in the rebellion and escape from, and destruction of, the death star and the emperor can't see that? Or did Lucas know in 2005 that Disney would make Leia force deficient and the emperor can see Disney ? Lucas tries to tie up what he thought in 1980, without bothering with what he thought in 1981 when he wrote Jedi, and therefore its influence on what he wrote in 2003. It's stupid and it makes vader look stupid, rather than the clever dialogue of the first version which makes them look clever regardless of what the prequels are, or if they aren't existing It's completely unnecessary
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"Search your feelings. You will know it to be true." Nice call to the original line when Vader tells the truth eventually. ;-)
Some remakes are good, some are bad. This is a better example of when it’s actually good
Ian McDiarmid is was and always will be the Emperor.
Without a doubt one of the best Special Edition changes. No offense to Clive Revill or the late Marjorie Eaton, but Ian McDiarmid is just so much better.
Plus, the original Emperor wouldn’t fit continuity wise. In the first three movies, Emperor Palpatine has a consistent look. But then in Episode 5, he looks completely different, but is back to normal in Episode 6, which canonically takes place one year later? Reshooting the scene with Ian McDiarmid really is the better option in this case.
@@guspeixoto7740 yeah I don't think anyone could really argue too much and try to justify why they feel it shouldn't have been changed. Also the same way they decided to change boba fetts voice to temura morrison from wingreen, even though I actually preferred the original voice of boba fett, it made sence for continuity if he spoke like the rest of the clones
@@Klynch111 true. Since Boba Fett is a clone of Jango Fett like Cody, it would make sense to re-do Boba Fett’s lines with Temura Morrison.
Clive Revill
Nah.. I prefer the original
What's going on through the heads of the people who say the original is superior? It was one of the worst effects in the movie, they superimposed a monkey's eyes over a human face.
😂
it was more minimalistic, clear, impactful and dark ... new episodes are like some fairy tales for kids.
Well since you're asking, the dialog was better in the original, since they decided to fuck it up in the special edition and make it so Vader doesn't even know Luke is his son to keep continuity with the shitty prequels
@@50hzphotography66 lol. The prequels are better than the OT. The fans who say otherwise complain about shit like "oh no politics in my Star Wars"... as if the OT wasn't one big commentary about the Vietnam War and US imperialism. There's some cringe in all 6 movies to be sure, but they are all of a theme. The Disney Sequels, though... Those are kind of shit.
@@againstfasces5222 Politics in the prequels isn't the reason they're not as good. To be clear, I love both the OT and prequels. But the OT are just better movies. The action sequences, world, visuals, music, and overall story is great in the prequels, but the OT just has way better dialogue, they're more fun, more relatable, and emotional.
The older one sounds like an Imperial officer xDD
of all the bad changes that were made, this one is flawless, Ian is palpatine.
I think the updated version would have been better if they changed the camera angle (scene set up or something relevant to that, English isn't my mother tongue) and prosthetics for Palpatine. It kinda degrades the intimidating factor that he brings to the audience.
I don't really mind the original, but the current version is much better. Since it is perfectly tied in with the events of ESB's direct followup: ROTJ.
Nah the original all the way
Lucas THOUGHT it was keeping continuity with the prequels. But it's stupid. There is no reason why Vader wouldn't have worked it out. Now, he says 'how is that possible?' highlighting the fact that the emperor said Vader killed Padme. It sort of makes out he hadn't heard the rumours, the legend of Luke blowing up the death star , or got something through imperial intelligence, and putting two and two together. And now it's like he's stupid, totally trusting the emperor. And ok, a day or so later he's enticing Luke to overthrow the emperor, so perhaps his loyalty is now in question due to the emperor's lies twenty three years ago. But the problem is, what about Return of the Jedi, where he didn't know about a sister? So the emperor has no doubt that the x wing pilot was Luke without them knowing a name but Leia was right under their noses and a pain in the neck the last several years and instrumental in the rebellion and escape from, and destruction of, the death star and the emperor can't see that? Or did Lucas know in 2005 that Disney would make Leia force deficient and the emperor can see Disney ?
It's stupid and it makes vader look stupid, rather than the clever dialogue of the first version which makes them look clever regardless of what the prequels are, or if they aren't existing
It's completely unnecessary
Also can someone please explain why he says 'he's just a boy. Obi Wan can no longer help him.' This is the same as the old version. Before he says this, in the McDiarmid version, I'm to think neither of them knew that someone called Skywalker blew up the death star, by name. But when he says this, we are now to think that Vader knew, but dismissed it as it being impossible to be his son. Now, all of a sudden, he knew Obi Wan was poised to help his son. Her didn't even know that this Skywalker was on the death star! He and Tarkins' reports on the death star knew about Obi Wan turning up with others, and rescuing Leia, her returning plans all the way to the rebel base, and he glimpsed a pilot of the falcon and a couple of other misfits. It makes no sense. This made total sense originally and NONE of it needed changing.
@@texluh Well said.
@@user-1999emperor This is how it should have been done. It would satisfy everyone on the appearance front and arguably everyone on the dialogue front :
ruclips.net/video/h0q0CF5Y1cI/видео.html
I also dislike that they changed the ending to show the new anakin as a force ghost & not the original guy who did Vader. Made me sad for that actor.
We 100 % need a disco dance version of this! 😅
For continuity the updated one is better, but the dialogue from the original is far superior. Updated/added lines are unnecessary, don’t add anything to the story, and actually degrade it just slightly.
One hundred percent. Lucas THOUGHT it was keeping continuity with the prequels. But it's stupid. There is no reason why Vader wouldn't have worked it out. Now, he says 'how is that possible?' highlighting the fact that the emperor said Vader killed Padme. It sorts of makes out he hadn't heard the rumours, the legend of Luke blowing up the death star , or got something through imperial intelligence, and putting two and two together. And now it's like he's stupid, totally trusting the emperor. And ok, a day or so later he's enticing Luke to overthrow the emperor, so perhaps his loyalty is now in question due to the emperor's lies twenty three years ago. But the problem is, what about Return of the Jedi, where he didn't know about a sister? So the emperor has no doubt that the x wing pilot was Luke without them knowing a name but Leia was right under their noses and a pain in the neck the last several years and instrumental in the rebellion and escape from, and destruction of, the death star and the emperor can't see that? Or did Lucas know in 2005 that Disney would make Leia force deficient and the emperor can see Disney ? Lucas tries to tie up what he thought in 1980, without bothering with what he thought in 1981 when he wrote Jedi, and therefore its influence on what he wrote in 2003.
It's stupid and it makes vader look stupid, rather than the clever dialogue of the first version which makes them look clever regardless of what the prequels are, or if they aren't existing
It's completely unnecessary
Also can someone please explain why he says 'he's just a boy. Obi Wan can no longer help him.' This is the same as the old version. Before he says this, I'm to think neither of them knew that someone called Skywalker blew up the death star, by name. But when he says this, we are now to think that Vader knew, but dismissed it as it being impossible to be his son. Now, all of a sudden, he knew Obi Wan was poised to help his son. Her didn't even know that this Skywalker was on the death star! He and Tarkins' reports on the death star knew about Obi Wan turning up with others, and rescuing Leia, her returning plans all the way to the rebel base, and he glimpsed a pilot of the falcon and a couple of other misfits. It makes no sense. He didn't even know Obi Wan had met Luke. Lucas original point was that Vader thought that immortality was nonesense, but he was wrong, hence all that obsession with Obi Wan in episodes 5 and 6. This made total sense originally and NONE of it needed changing.
There are a large number of changes and improvements to the original trilogy I will never understand how people hate them.
The special edition really emphasizes just how much Palpatine is the master (as well as the better visuals) with the superb way Ian McDiarmid delivers the dialogue, whereas in the previous one it sounds more like Vader is an equal. His facial expression rarely changes either (count how many times he blinks) which suggests that he does not care about any of his subordinates.
Prefer the voice and face of McDiarmid although by adding the 'he destroyed the death star' bit, it made Vader's 'He's just a boy' comment seem to have excessive motive or be too disingenuous.
Agreed, and the dialogue didn't need changing. Lucas THOUGHT it was keeping continuity with the prequels. But it's stupid. There is no reason why Vader wouldn't have worked it out. Now, he says 'how is that possible?' highlighting the fact that the emperor said Vader killed Padme. It sorts of makes out he hadn't heard the rumours, the legend of Luke blowing up the death star , or got something through imperial intelligence, and putting two and two together. And now it's like he's stupid, totally trusting the emperor. And ok, a day or so later he's enticing Luke to overthrow the emperor, so perhaps his loyalty is now in question due to the emperor's lies twenty three years ago. But the problem is, what about Return of the Jedi, where he didn't know about a sister? So the emperor has no doubt that the x wing pilot was Luke without them knowing a name but Leia was right under their noses and a pain in the neck the last several years and instrumental in the rebellion and escape from, and destruction of, the death star and the emperor can't see that? Or did Lucas know in 2005 that Disney would make Leia force deficient and the emperor can see Disney ? Lucas tries to tie up what he thought in 1980, without bothering with what he thought in 1981 when he wrote Jedi, and therefore its influence on what he wrote in 2003.
It's stupid and it makes vader look stupid, rather than the clever dialogue of the first version which makes them look clever regardless of what the prequels are, or if they aren't existing
It's completely unnecessary
Also can someone please explain why he says 'he's just a boy. Obi Wan can no longer help him.' This is the same as the old version. Before he says this, I'm to think neither of them knew that someone called Skywalker blew up the death star, by name. But when he says this, we are now to think that Vader knew, but dismissed it as it being impossible to be his son. Now, all of a sudden, he knew Obi Wan was poised to help his son. Her didn't even know that this Skywalker was on the death star! He and Tarkins' reports on the death star knew about Obi Wan turning up with others, and rescuing Leia, her returning plans all the way to the rebel base, and he glimpsed a pilot of the falcon and a couple of other misfits. It makes no sense. This made total sense originally and NONE of it needed changing.
2:09, actually, Ian mcdiarmid born in 1944 and he’s 77 now. He’s 60 since 2004
They changed this scene in the 2004 version and onwards. That's why it's listed as 60.
Bonus:
Clive Revill
Age: 50 in 1980
1:12-1:22 how did they plastered the emperor from Ian McDiarmid from the empire strikes back in special edition?
Ian McDiarmid filmed this new scene during the filming of Episode III-Revenge of the Sith, and then it was incorporated into Episode V-The Empire Strikes Back.
Yeah but when they released the special editions in 1997 in cinema, it was obviously still clive revill right?
@@Klynch111 yes. But, they replaced the Ian McDiarmid on 📀 from 2004.
@@nathancruz9172 yeah I kinda thought that, it wasn't until the prequels were out before lucas started to change the originals to match those, like replace boba fetts voice, replace the emporer and use hayden instead of Shaw at the end of jedi. It's amazing how many changes have occurred over the years
I remember Clive Rivell from the 1997 Special Edition VHS.
The new one is so much better
I prefer the original look but the altered version makes sense because of return of the jedi and the prequels
The emperor in the original makes the emperor more mysterious I think
İts the shadow affectthst makes the trick.
I prefer the version with Ian McDiarmid the British.
He’s not British 😂
So he goes from looking like some mysterious non-human entity, to somebody's Pee-Paw
Why is the 1997 Special edition impossible to find? Wasnt that the first time the 1980 Emperor was replaced with Ian Mcdiarmid?
No it was the 2004 Special Edition DVD.
This is the only change I liked in the redone trilogy.
Ian is way better as the emperor, but dialogue in the original is better.
The updated version would've better if they had kept the dialog the same. Instead, they botched it.
I think the new dialogue would have been fine, had they kept Vader's theatrical "yes, my master" in between the added "Rebel who destroyed the death star" & "Offspring of Anakin" lines. Then, there would be more clarification of Vader actively choosing to lie to Palpatine (because Lies, Deception, and Betrayal are what the Sith are all about) instead of seeming oblivious like in the official 2004 version.
Why does the emperor sound different? Because of spies!
Was just watching the Disney+ Editions and this really stood out to me and I did not like it...
The original version is honestly creepier and better performed. Obviously, it makes more sense from a continuity standpoint that they reshot the footage with Ian McDiarmid for the Special Editions though. Still, like with the vast majority of the Special Edition changes, I prefer the original unaltered version myself.
I know I’m just pointing out something for no reason but hire how people say this was done for the special edition even though it was done after for the dvd release which is not the special edition like people say the dvd and blue ray are
@@samuel-wankenobi That's arguing semantics though. The DVD and Blu-Ray editions are essentially the latest "patched" versions of the Special Editions; the Special Editions with further revisions.
@@Right_Said_Brett but they called digitally remastered officially
@@samuel-wankenobi My VHS copies of the original unaltered trilogy are labelled as "digitally remastered", so no; I'll stick to referring to the altered versions as the Special Editions. Everyone knows what people mean when they say Special Editions. Most people will be left confused if you say "digitally remastered" in reference to the altered Blu-Ray/DVD editions.
No way, Ian is better
the old one resembles fallout npcs
I think Special Edition version ĺooks more menacing
I prefer the original version. The discrete language is not only intriguing, but also misleading for first viewers, leaving the ultimate reveal to be a surprise.
saludos al patrón de ustedes, you digo yo tuve una idea cuando sea será, cuatro , cinco y contando, 6 y llegando.¿ caerá la matrix?, con los bad boys, chiao.
Clive revil
you really should have synced the two better instead of just running them straight, they don't line up
Ya sure buddy, let’s see your work. You do realize the wording is not the same so timing will not be the same. That is point.
@@PureMX33 it's not my fault you're a youtuber who sucks at editing. tons of channels have no problem doing what you want to act like is impossible. i don't accept your lame excuse for sucking.
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original all the way
Agreed, and the dialogue didn't need changing. Lucas THOUGHT it was keeping continuity with the prequels. But it's stupid. There is no reason why Vader wouldn't have worked it out. Now, he says 'how is that possible?' highlighting the fact that the emperor said Vader killed Padme. It sorts of makes out he hadn't heard the rumours, the legend of Luke blowing up the death star , or got something through imperial intelligence, and putting two and two together. And now it's like he's stupid, totally trusting the emperor. And ok, a day or so later he's enticing Luke to overthrow the emperor, so perhaps his loyalty is now in question due to the emperor's lies twenty three years ago. But the problem is, what about Return of the Jedi, where he didn't know about a sister? So the emperor has no doubt that the x wing pilot was Luke without them knowing a name but Leia was right under their noses and a pain in the neck the last several years and instrumental in the rebellion and escape from, and destruction of, the death star and the emperor can't see that? Or did Lucas know in 2005 that Disney would make Leia force deficient and the emperor can see Disney ? Lucas tries to tie up what he thought in 1980, without bothering with what he thought in 1981 when he wrote Jedi, and therefore its influence on what he wrote in 2003.
It's stupid and it makes vader look stupid, rather than the clever dialogue of the first version which makes them look clever regardless of what the prequels are, or if they aren't existing
It's completely unnecessary