@@TheHalfGlassFullGuy It existed. It was possible to get "more" performance from "old" hardware as their launch drivers were utterly incapable to use the card's full potential. Thankfully AMD has fixed this "feature" with RDNA.
Running the 5700 at about 1950mhz is the sweet spot for practical use. Higher frequency will give you gains and benchmarks but it doesn't really translate over to real world performance. From there just drop the voltage until you get it nice and stable. quick note on frequency though, you have to set the target 50 to 80 megahertz higher than you actually wanted to run so 2 GHz as Target frequency will get you in The Sweet Spot.
@@jamesthomson8659 That could make for possibly one of the least tedious benchmark sessions, depending on the actual beverages. Although numbers might get slightly skewed in the process...
Nice to see that 5700 can get close to 5700 XT performance. I think 5700 will be my next card, but not getting it yet as i think its too expensive currently.
Thank you Steve! I just got the XFX 5700 and can’t wait to flash. You just saved me around $70 from getting the XFX Thicc III ultra 5700xt. Your a lifesaver.
@@stargazer162 I would be fine with that but honesty 8GB is just about enough memory for 4K, 0.7 resolution scale is just about enough performance for 4K Ultra at 60fps. Why dont just use the card with 1440p monitor at 100% of resolution, ultra settings and almost never below 100fps? 😊
@@adi6293 Bigger screen? Maybe to watch 4k content? I mean, 1440p is more used and generally more recommendable, specially for gaming, but I would prefer a bigger screen like a 4k TV since I don't play competitive shooters and I want to watch 4k content or 1080p content upscaled to 4k with madVR. There are also older games in where a 5700 or 5700 XT would have no trouble delivering over 60 fps at native 4k ultra settings.
A small correction, the temperature did not increase 12%, that only works if you are using a scale with a 0 as minimum such as kelvin! Nothing major obviously, everyone gets your point and sees the chart, great video as usual!
@@blackwidow7804 he's saying you can't do the math that way for Celsius/Fahrenheit because they don't scale starting from 0, unlike Kelvin, eg if something goes from -10 C degrees to 10 C degrees, then usual percentage differences doesn't make sense (ie it has a -100% increase, which isn't right) or eg asking what would double -10 C degrees be? Needs to be converted to kelvin to find the true percentage change
@@Sacheen i get that but if you look at it as a number then its correct. If i say that today is 25 C which is 25% more C than yesterday (20 C) then its correct. I dont say that its 25% warmer but that its 25% more C. Freezing point is at 0 C anyway.
I hope AMD won't lock this "upgrade" on future models. It usually happens. Thanks for the informative video! P.S. Steve, not a salesman, doesen't want to bs people into buying HU mugs and ends with "it's just a mug". Epic!
"yeah it's a mug". Either way I hope to buy one soon! Love the work you all do. Bought my monitor based on your recommendations and I could not be happier.
Best to do it on RX 5700 AIB cards with dual bios, just in case something goes wrong and you end up bricking the card. Personally I would just shell out the extra $ for an XT.
Hey Steve. Have a look at the new driver. Vega now has RIS. Also as Vega stands don't put LC bios on normal Vega 64 it will not go well, but you can put Vega LC PPT and it will work and clocks will go up.
@@Hardwareunboxed hey guys if you read this you might consider telling your viewers that xfx has fantastic warranty. So although the might be a little pricey it's nice to have that piece of mind.
Missed opportunity: Pouring water into that hot mug and say that you watercooled it. Unrelated: Can you include Flight Sim into the benchmark suite when it comes out in 2020? I don't play flight sim but it has so many god damn features that I might consider buying it just because of the realism
Just picked up a MSI Mech rx 5700. Cleaned drivers, installed with newest drivers, flashed it before I even used it. Worked perfect with the bios from Tech Powerup. Stays very cool and quit. I've not had any driver issues, fingers crossed. Oh, and I got it for $299. :)
I got my xfx rx 5700 dd ultra for 285€ in a sale. Just put it in my pc yesterday [[had to buy extra low-profile sata cables because else the card didnt fit]] and im really happy with it. It gets a bit loud, but having an xfx rx 580 beforehand , the amount of additional noise especially when wearing headphones is negligible. I dont have the guts to bios flash it, i just undervolted it and got it more quiet , lower temps. Thats about it.
the feels when you are a 5700xt owner. at least i got it for £315 i guess stock rx 5700xt can be got on overclockers uk now for £350 now wonder why that is ^^
@@Supcharged yeah I know that for sure, but as it's stock can sound like my pc has a turbo at times. Undervolting has fixed most of that though:) Keep an eye on them ebay codes, you never know what might come up
you can always mpt oc a 5700 xt ^^ to almost match an oced 2070 s, i flashed my 5700 to an xt, with water I can run 2040 max boost 960 mem. +35 power, beats a stock 2070 super?
7:44 Ummm hahah I don't think Celsius temperature increases can be described using percentages since it's offset by 273.15 degrees at the bottom end of the scale xD
@@eduardosaborio8239 Ummm no it wouldn't? From 65 °C to 73 °C, Celsius percentage change is 8/65 × 100%, kelvin percentage change is 8/(65 + 273.15) × 100%, which are clearly not equal
Sorry, my bad. But adding the offset and calculating the % increase will give you a stupidly small value (2.59%). In this case (comparing GPUs' temperature, in which normally is always above 0°C) its better to illustrate the temperature difference using an arbitrary scale (°C) than using the absolute scale (K). Again, sorry for the earlier mistake
@@eduardosaborio8239 Yes, it's better to explain the difference using the scale that is most often used, but not in regards to percentages because it simply makes it nonsensical. It's as bad as saying that 100 dB is twice as loud as 50 dB.
Note that the 5700 XT has 2560 SP, 5700 has 2304 SP. This doesn't change with an XT BIOS flash. The 5700 PWR limits are gone and the stock freq. go up to XT levels and can OvrCk even higher. Therefore the 5700 XT is still slightly more powerful.
i guess im buying the non xt then. Thanks a lot for the video. One guy posted about this on reddit but your video reassured me that i should save the money and boy non xt version.
Steve you're doing it wrong you're supposed to put a giant item card next to the product while you're marketing it you have to look at what linustechtips does
FWIW: the 5700 is already found for under $300 ($269.99 to be more precise @ Amazon). With its potential to be flashed as XT card, it is hard to be a too bad choice at this price range.
@@onuraygun1482 Ya. It was a flash sale or something, but I ain't complaining. Added a few more bucks to get some decent thermal pads and grease, as the card has a tendency to produce artifacts with the XT BIOS and under full load with the pads it came with.
Kostas S. I did before but this was about 3 weeks ago. I’m trying again today though. But yeah there’s an extra heat pipe on the XT. Kinda makes sense though. Non XT doesn’t need it even at its worse. I can’t get over 75c unless I remove my extra exhaust fans
Nice performance tweak. It seems the BIOS has been an issue on both AMD graphics cards and motherboards/processors. 7nm products are still new. Probably keep improving over time.
Just a thought on the Noise charts. Because of the way DB is logarithmic in it's measurement, it might be good to graph that in that nature (not linearly) , ie. 42dbA being half the volume of 52dba. I can already see this being difficult when applying this to a large spread of data, but, if it could be made it would really help accent the difference in noise. Especially with cpu/ AIO coolers, where noise is often the deciding factor when you make a decision on a purchase.
I just got one of these for 310 USD ..... However given that massive increase in power usage I'd have to upgrade to a larger PS because I don't think 500 Watt is going to cut it anymore .... But even with stock no overclock settings this performs much better at 1440p than the GTX 1660 Ti it replaced
I used to mod my Geforce/Radeon cards into Quadro/Fire cards. Now those provided some impressive gains for CADD! But then that wasn't really dependent on silicon quality for performance, it was all artificial bifurcation.
XFX upgraded their cooler with a copper base-plate for THICC III and newer THICC II models. Thus, I contacted XFX support to ask for one for my DD Ultra. Unfortunately, despite them having "the exact same cooler," they refused the part simply because it isn't the THICC II model RX-57XT8DFD6. This is just a cry for help to Hardware Unboxed and any other people who bought the DD Ultra. XFX should be supporting everyone with this problematic cooler, not just those who bought the model that received the most negative press rep. Please contact XFX and let them hear your voice!
I am about to purchase a 5700 and I already know I will perform an XT flash. I was considering Powercolor Red Dragon due to Performance v. Cost. Would you suggest another example of the 5700 for better efficiency? Thanks in advance!
Pretty sure this voids the warranty, but I did the same thing with an RX480, flashing it to RX580. Guess cross flashing radeons is still a thing, people flashing Vega 56's to 64's and so on.
I have a Saphire RX 5700 XT Nitro+ OC'd, I paid $440.00 for this card and was told it was the best offering at the time, May 15th, 2020. I love the three fan build of this card. Do I need to do any Bios flashing? Additionally, Nobody is talking about the bios switch on the side and clearly explaining what it actually does or how to deal with it. Please advise. Dud I make the right choice? I have been seeing comparison videos with the 5600 XT and the 5700 and the XT version still wins out on almost all the tests.
Your mugs kind of remind me of the mugs that mimics pretend to be in the creepy game called Prey. If you haven't played it, I highly suggest trying it for a good solid hour or 2 to get a good October scare. 'tis the season for spooky Steve :P After you play the game you won't trust inanimate objects ever again!
Question : my rx5700 xt down-clock aggressively while in gaming (battlefield 1 , 4 ,call of duty 19 beta) 400~500~800~1100mhz and frames decreasing from 160 to 110 frames, the cpu is ryzen 3600 . even if i increased the resolution to 2k the gpu down-clock itself , temp about 70 in gaming....in GPU stress it goes 90 degree with steady 1900+mhz speed . i tried everything (DDU , fresh install of games ..)
Try disabling ulps in msi afterburner, it's another one of those power saver features that can cause performance hiccups, also you'll have to re disable it after every gpu driver installation, also check you're system ram that it's running In Dual channel configuration
@@A-Jaradat-Z did you do a vram test ?, maybe there is a fault with the card somehow or the temp sensor on the card is out of wack and making the card randomly throttle also try to download the latest chipset drivers for you're system
In my area there's not that much of a price difference between a 5700 and 5700 XT, generally $30-50. Saving such a small amount of money by getting the 5700 and then manual flashing hardly seems worth, especially if there are issues with the warranty over the next 3 years.
I don't know how you got such low temps. I have an XFX 5700 XT Thick 3 and I get 85C-90C while gaming. 65C is very unrealistic in my case at least. Non-XFX manufacturers' 5700 XT's run up to 115C. So probably it doesn't work like a 5700 XT or it might be the exact opposite that this is the real 5700 XT with low temps :D
Well, perhaps I’m just getting old (lol), but I think it would make more sense to just pay the few extra dollars and get the XT variant. I honestly don’t think it’s worth the effort, risk or headache. Although I am Ryzen user now, I didn’t buy a Radeon card this time around. At the time I was buying components, E-Tailers were trying to “flush” the older RTX cards from their inventory and I was able to pick up an older MSI 2070 at a great price. Low thermals and noise combined the 3900X equals GREAT PERFORMANCE. I’m one “happy camper”.
Hey guys, i need expert advice, what is the difference between RX 5700 and Vega 56, or which one to choose with a build of : Cpu : ryzen 5 3600 or 2600 Mob : Msi b450 PRO-VDH max RAM : 2x8 GB corsair vengeance 3000mhz Psu : corsair VS650 650W I got a good deal and the price difference between the cards is just about 68 Euro more with the AMD radeon RX 5700. I known there is lots of differences between the two, but got lost online with the undervolting and Gddr6 /Hbm2. Thanks in advance for your comments and suggestions.
I'm looking forward to the upcoming video where you just review the mug for 20 minutes. Thermal performance tables, lots of graphs, and a detailed explanation of how there is zero power draw measured at the wall. You need to make this video ASAP.
Would it be worth to buy a 5700 red devil at 450 $ and flash it with the XT bios, or should i just go with the red devil 5700 XT at 530 $ ? also thanks for all the great videos :) they help me out a ton!
Could you talk about "coil whine" noise of both video cards? Back in GTX 670 never knew what coil whine was, than GTX 970 had some coil whine. Just few days ago upgraded to Asus TUF Gaming RX 5700 XT... boy oh boy~ this thing coil while way more than my old 970 when running higher frame rates. Would love for you to talk about it, why/what it is, what we can do? what can manufacturers do? etc... Thanks.
Steve please help me out. I have decided to buy a Rx 5700 and flash it to XT. I have two options to buy from 1)Sapphire Rx 5700 pulse & 2) Gigabyte Rx 5700 gaming oc. But I noticed that the gigabyte card has only one 8-pin power connector and the sapphire card has 8-pin+6-pin power connector. So will there be any power shortage in the gigabyte card because it will draw about 25% more power in the XT bios. Will I get less performance? I have Corsair VS 650 psu which has two 8-pin connectors.
Hmm where was this vid for vega 56 to 64 bios? LoL. In all seriousness makes you more inclined to just buy the rx 5700 unless want higher air cooler models design
@@Hardwareunboxed not really. Asus/powercoler and sapphire had great Air cooler cards. The best being sapphire rx vega nitro+ imo. Only trash one was gigabyte and msi aint release a variant. For sure the launch wasnt great but got better. Its a 'dead meme" that can compete nearly/ beats gtx 1080 & rtx 2070 til this day.... Yeah Aight got you Lol. If anything is a dead meme is nvidia's " it just works" . In all seriousness , rx 5700 series for sure more power effiecent & more enticing cards rn in 2019 since its new.
RandomGamingHD did this a week or so ago and got great results as well. I might give it a go if I can grab a 5700 for a good price on Black Friday/Cyber Monday this year.
I recently purchased the RX 5700 Evoke OC from NewEgg for $298. Can i flash the BIOS into the Evoke XT in order to get similar results to what you got with the XFX RX 5700 DD Ultra flashed? Similar to the Red Devil variant
Given the current price for this card is around $320 and the performance this can unlock, I'm going to have to seriously consider whether it's worth the extra cost vs a 1660 super for the use I'll be putting it to. If Nvidia keeps selling the Founders Edition 2060's for $299, I'll probably go with that as a compromise in the middle given it's a MUCH higher quality card than this plastic fantastic thing.
Curious what everyones opinion is do i get a r7 2700 for 220 or a r5 3600 for 275 to pair with a 5700XT . I feel like there will barely be a difference and i can even sell the wraith spire LED for like 15 making it 205$
I got the XFX RX5700 DD Ultra for $300 plus tax. Using auto-overclock thru the Radeon Software I am seeing boost clocks of up to 1950mhz with very decent temps, 80c and under during stress testing. Also seeing power hit over 200 watts at times. Is there any worthwhile advantage left to be gained if I Flash to the XFX RX5700XT THICC II BIOS? It seems like my card stock OC'd is close to what he is getting with a BIOS Flashed card in these videos. I have never BIOS Flashed or OC'd graphics cards before so maybe I am missing something here. I appreciate any help here.
@@Hardwareunboxed Precisely, another dumb naming, but at least it's consistent with the naming scheme established years ago which makes more sense than calling a card "THICC"...
"Flash at your own risk"
Good advice for video cards, good advice for life 😀
Flash in moderation, and only when appropriate.
When in doubt, whip it out!
Where ever you go, there you are!
flush at your own risk
@@alexmikhylov Don't flash in public
I’m about to flash my gt 210 to a titan rtx
Gl hf
Forget about Titan RTX; just add a "0" for the performance equivalent of a yet unreleased RTX 2100 Super Ti.
Don't let your dreams be dreams!! Flash it!!
Flashes GTX.
Firestorm in California.
Thousands dead.
Sweet! LOL. Should work perfectly and allow real time ray tracing in 4k!
What AMD announced:
Anti-lag
Imagine sharpening
What the features people want to hear about:
Radeon FineWine™
Radeon BiosFlash™
So true
FineWine is dead and Thank Lisa Su for that.
You can finally have all the performance of your card,
When you bought it !!!
@@GWT1m0 Fine wine never really existed, it was more just a fanboyism
@@TheHalfGlassFullGuy It existed.
It was possible to get "more" performance from "old" hardware as their launch drivers were utterly incapable to use the card's full potential.
Thankfully AMD has fixed this "feature" with RDNA.
@@GWT1m0 it would be funny if finewine was still around even with RDNA
I've talked myself down from a 2070 Super to a 1080 ti. Then to a 5700xt, now to a 5700 with a flashed bios.
Hahah
The difference isnt too high tho :)
Haha same here. What did you end up getting?
I returned my 2080 ti amd went with a 5700XT because It was getting me 144Hz at 1440p on hogh settings in the majority of games I play
DD probably stands for Double Dissipation. XFX used to brand their cards like that.
I had an HD 7870 Double Dissipation
R9 390 DD
@@AT_Lemongrab 280x DD
N64 DD
Thicc obviously refers to thighs, DD must refers to bra size.
Double disappointment
Gives me flashbacks of when I turned my ATi Radeon 9500 into a 9700 like 15 years ago.
FLASHbacks, I see what you did there...
That was actually like downloading a new GPU. The bios mod described here is a joke compared to that.
What actually happens when you flash the bios? Why does performance improve so much?
Is it true that even Steves mug leaves bench-marks?!
Ha! Best comment today.
I see what you did there!
Nice 😂
ROFL
Running the 5700 at about 1950mhz is the sweet spot for practical use. Higher frequency will give you gains and benchmarks but it doesn't really translate over to real world performance. From there just drop the voltage until you get it nice and stable. quick note on frequency though, you have to set the target 50 to 80 megahertz higher than you actually wanted to run so 2 GHz as Target frequency will get you in The Sweet Spot.
*Thicc II ULTRA exists*
Hardware Unboxed:"i don´t think it´s all that bad"
*Gamers Nexus enters the chat*
Strix 5700 xt exists: everyone else. It’s not great, but aight. Temps are fine after some minor tweaks.
Hardware unboxed: *heart attack
"Absolutely nailed it!" Print this on your mug
HE ACTUALLY DID IT!
I'm glad he did. Last blvideo in the comments we were all thrashing about doing this on dual BIOS cards. I wish he had mentioned that
Can we get the mug benchmarked before committing to a purchase?
I believe he just did at the beginning. Or were you hoping for graphs with detailed numbers?
Tested with 30 different beverages ?😀
@@jamesthomson8659 That could make for possibly one of the least tedious benchmark sessions, depending on the actual beverages. Although numbers might get slightly skewed in the process...
DTXGaming seems like a reference design mug to me. How are the thermals with hot chocolate?
Nice to see that 5700 can get close to 5700 XT performance. I think 5700 will be my next card, but not getting it yet as i think its too expensive currently.
Upvoted because: "yea, it's a mug."
Owletterishere - does anyone care
Thank you Steve! I just got the XFX 5700 and can’t wait to flash. You just saved me around $70 from getting the XFX Thicc III ultra 5700xt. Your a lifesaver.
Great video! In gonna flash my gtx 460 to a 2060 super!
Why stop there, I'd go for a 2080ti
Use beta bios for 3080ti super edition to even more speed!
And here we have a new 1440p "budget" king :P:P
And could actually be decent for 4K.
@@smashpro1 Not really man, I've got Radeon VII overclocked to 1975Mhz and it struggles at 4K
@@smashpro1 If you're fine with upscaling from 0.7 of the resolution using RIS, you'll have no problem doing "4k" 60 fps.
@@stargazer162 I would be fine with that but honesty 8GB is just about enough memory for 4K, 0.7 resolution scale is just about enough performance for 4K Ultra at 60fps. Why dont just use the card with 1440p monitor at 100% of resolution, ultra settings and almost never below 100fps? 😊
@@adi6293 Bigger screen? Maybe to watch 4k content? I mean, 1440p is more used and generally more recommendable, specially for gaming, but I would prefer a bigger screen like a 4k TV since I don't play competitive shooters and I want to watch 4k content or 1080p content upscaled to 4k with madVR.
There are also older games in where a 5700 or 5700 XT would have no trouble delivering over 60 fps at native 4k ultra settings.
i'm gonna download my New graphics card today!
Me 2
I did that with my RX 5600 XT. I have a RX 5700 now :)
A small correction, the temperature did not increase 12%, that only works if you are using a scale with a 0 as minimum such as kelvin! Nothing major obviously, everyone gets your point and sees the chart, great video as usual!
What do you mean? The temperature went from 65 to 73 degree which is 12% increase (65 * 1.12 = 72.8).
@@blackwidow7804 he's saying you can't do the math that way for Celsius/Fahrenheit because they don't scale starting from 0, unlike Kelvin, eg if something goes from -10 C degrees to 10 C degrees, then usual percentage differences doesn't make sense (ie it has a -100% increase, which isn't right) or eg asking what would double -10 C degrees be? Needs to be converted to kelvin to find the true percentage change
@@Sacheen i get that but if you look at it as a number then its correct. If i say that today is 25 C which is 25% more C than yesterday (20 C) then its correct. I dont say that its 25% warmer but that its 25% more C. Freezing point is at 0 C anyway.
I hope AMD won't lock this "upgrade" on future models. It usually happens. Thanks for the informative video!
P.S. Steve, not a salesman, doesen't want to bs people into buying HU mugs and ends with "it's just a mug". Epic!
You could have done it with Vega56 to 64 (altough with less CU's) where the result was more pronounced.
@@marsovac dependent on memory
What does this "upgrade" actually do to the GPU?
"yeah it's a mug". Either way I hope to buy one soon! Love the work you all do. Bought my monitor based on your recommendations and I could not be happier.
I hate it when a review gets mugged. 😂
The self congratulating at the end... 😂
I'm certainly not waiting for anyone else to do it ;)
@@Hardwareunboxed We all appreciate your work Steve. You know that.
Best to do it on RX 5700 AIB cards with dual bios, just in case something goes wrong and you end up bricking the card. Personally I would just shell out the extra $ for an XT.
Hey Steve. Have a look at the new driver. Vega now has RIS. Also as Vega stands don't put LC bios on normal Vega 64 it will not go well, but you can put Vega LC PPT and it will work and clocks will go up.
DD double dissipation for XFX cards, they had them in the past too.
Is that a fancy way of saying it has 2 fans like pretty much all their models? :D
@@Hardwareunboxed hey guys if you read this you might consider telling your viewers that xfx has fantastic warranty. So although the might be a little pricey it's nice to have that piece of mind.
Xfx DD = double dissipation. I was blessed with a XFX r9 280x DD that was very promptly returned for being a faulty mess.
I don't need another mug, I watch yours pretty much every video you guys post Steve. :) :)
Another great informative video mate. Keep them coming.
This is a less ugly mug though.
@@Hardwareunboxed. I wasn't going to say that. lol.
Missed opportunity: Pouring water into that hot mug and say that you watercooled it.
Unrelated: Can you include Flight Sim into the benchmark suite when it comes out in 2020? I don't play flight sim but it has so many god damn features that I might consider buying it just because of the realism
Very good video! I got the card at a black friday deal for 285 Euros. I hope mine runs well. Always great to have the option to change the bios.
10% performance boost
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20% power consumption boost
Just picked up a MSI Mech rx 5700. Cleaned drivers, installed with newest drivers, flashed it before I even used it. Worked perfect with the bios from Tech Powerup. Stays very cool and quit. I've not had any driver issues, fingers crossed. Oh, and I got it for $299. :)
I got my xfx rx 5700 dd ultra for 285€ in a sale. Just put it in my pc yesterday [[had to buy extra low-profile sata cables because else the card didnt fit]] and im really happy with it. It gets a bit loud, but having an xfx rx 580 beforehand , the amount of additional noise especially when wearing headphones is negligible. I dont have the guts to bios flash it, i just undervolted it and got it more quiet , lower temps. Thats about it.
the feels when you are a 5700xt owner. at least i got it for £315 i guess
stock rx 5700xt can be got on overclockers uk now for £350 now wonder why that is ^^
£315 is a steal for a 5700xt lmao
@@Supcharged yeah I know that for sure, but as it's stock can sound like my pc has a turbo at times. Undervolting has fixed most of that though:)
Keep an eye on them ebay codes, you never know what might come up
you can always mpt oc a 5700 xt ^^ to almost match an oced 2070 s, i flashed my 5700 to an xt, with water I can run 2040 max boost 960 mem. +35 power, beats a stock 2070 super?
I like how you groped the card's PCIe interface openings (goldfingers) with bare hands. Way to teach inexperienced people who're into tech. 👍🏻
7:44 Ummm hahah I don't think Celsius temperature increases can be described using percentages since it's offset by 273.15 degrees at the bottom end of the scale xD
@@eduardosaborio8239 Ummm no it wouldn't?
From 65 °C to 73 °C, Celsius percentage change is 8/65 × 100%, kelvin percentage change is 8/(65 + 273.15) × 100%, which are clearly not equal
Sorry, my bad. But adding the offset and calculating the % increase will give you a stupidly small value (2.59%). In this case (comparing GPUs' temperature, in which normally is always above 0°C) its better to illustrate the temperature difference using an arbitrary scale (°C) than using the absolute scale (K).
Again, sorry for the earlier mistake
Temperature differences simply don't make sense in terms of %. Just avoid it and refer to the difference in degrees. Much better.
@@eduardosaborio8239 Yes, it's better to explain the difference using the scale that is most often used, but not in regards to percentages because it simply makes it nonsensical. It's as bad as saying that 100 dB is twice as loud as 50 dB.
Yes....yes, more people doing this >:)
Finally! Been waiting for this since release. Thank you!!!!
Can I flash my Intel atom CPU to a threadripper 3970x
Nice, I will flash my 750ti to RTX 2080ti
You can get those on eBay.
Note that the 5700 XT has 2560 SP, 5700 has 2304 SP. This doesn't change with an XT BIOS flash. The 5700 PWR limits are gone and the stock freq. go up to XT levels and can OvrCk even higher. Therefore the 5700 XT is still slightly more powerful.
i flashed my reference 5700 to xt bios im loving the performance increase
did you have problems with the drivers??
i guess im buying the non xt then. Thanks a lot for the video. One guy posted about this on reddit but your video reassured me that i should save the money and boy non xt version.
I like that low power usage though, think I'll go with the stock Rx 5700 red devil
And also lower noise level. My son have a red devil Rx 580, and it's very loud when its running
@@fedepede04 change the paste then.
@@techbuildspcs thx it could maybe give some, I think i will try to under volt it first to see if this help. when i have some time.
Great channel, recently discovered, subbed. Thanks for video! :)
Steve you're doing it wrong you're supposed to put a giant item card next to the product while you're marketing it you have to look at what linustechtips does
FWIW: the 5700 is already found for under $300 ($269.99 to be more precise @ Amazon). With its potential to be flashed as XT card, it is hard to be a too bad choice at this price range.
Amazon US?
@@onuraygun1482 Ya. It was a flash sale or something, but I ain't complaining. Added a few more bucks to get some decent thermal pads and grease, as the card has a tendency to produce artifacts with the XT BIOS and under full load with the pads it came with.
Not bad! Sadly I have a pulse 5700 and the difference in coolers had me in the 80c territory with the XT bios (84c max) vs 75c max stock ☹️
Damn I though pulse 5700 and XT had the same cooler :/ .. that's sad .. Have you tried to pump up speed fans? It's too loud?
Kostas S. I did before but this was about 3 weeks ago. I’m trying again today though. But yeah there’s an extra heat pipe on the XT. Kinda makes sense though. Non XT doesn’t need it even at its worse. I can’t get over 75c unless I remove my extra exhaust fans
@@GearGolemTMF Yup, at least they kept dual bios though.. so you can have both :)
Good video as always.
Is downloading a copyrighted bios legal ?
I am sure no one cares, but I think it is a good question.......
Nice performance tweak. It seems the BIOS has been an issue on both AMD graphics cards and motherboards/processors. 7nm products are still new. Probably keep improving over time.
It's great that you guys are selling merch as it easier than relying on You tube inserted advertisements.
Just a thought on the Noise charts. Because of the way DB is logarithmic in it's measurement, it might be good to graph that in that nature (not linearly) , ie. 42dbA being half the volume of 52dba.
I can already see this being difficult when applying this to a large spread of data, but, if it could be made it would really help accent the difference in noise. Especially with cpu/ AIO coolers, where noise is often the deciding factor when you make a decision on a purchase.
I just got one of these for 310 USD ..... However given that massive increase in power usage I'd have to upgrade to a larger PS because I don't think 500 Watt is going to cut it anymore .... But even with stock no overclock settings this performs much better at 1440p than the GTX 1660 Ti it replaced
This is my favorite Tech Channel. Please make more content more quickly. :D
I used to mod my Geforce/Radeon cards into Quadro/Fire cards. Now those provided some impressive gains for CADD! But then that wasn't really dependent on silicon quality for performance, it was all artificial bifurcation.
XFX upgraded their cooler with a copper base-plate for THICC III and newer THICC II models. Thus, I contacted XFX support to ask for one for my DD Ultra. Unfortunately, despite them having "the exact same cooler," they refused the part simply because it isn't the THICC II model RX-57XT8DFD6.
This is just a cry for help to Hardware Unboxed and any other people who bought the DD Ultra. XFX should be supporting everyone with this problematic cooler, not just those who bought the model that received the most negative press rep. Please contact XFX and let them hear your voice!
S3lvah did XFX ask you to send the card back to them for test heat issues?
Thanks Steve, keep up the good work; been waiting for a couple weeks for someone to do some proper testing on this, instead of just 3dMaEk FiReStRiKe
I am about to purchase a 5700 and I already know I will perform an XT flash. I was considering Powercolor Red Dragon due to Performance v. Cost. Would you suggest another example of the 5700 for better efficiency? Thanks in advance!
Red Dragon should be decent one cuz the double bios it have.
Pretty sure this voids the warranty, but I did the same thing with an RX480, flashing it to RX580. Guess cross flashing radeons is still a thing, people flashing Vega 56's to 64's and so on.
I have a Saphire RX 5700 XT Nitro+ OC'd, I paid $440.00 for this card and was told it was the best offering at the time, May 15th, 2020. I love the three fan build of this card. Do I need to do any Bios flashing? Additionally, Nobody is talking about the bios switch on the side and clearly explaining what it actually does or how to deal with it. Please advise. Dud I make the right choice? I have been seeing comparison videos with the 5600 XT and the 5700 and the XT version still wins out on almost all the tests.
If the 5700 XT reference cards are cheaper than these 5700 ultra ones, why not just get the reference card that is already built on the 5700 XT?
Because it runs at like 90c standard
Your mugs kind of remind me of the mugs that mimics pretend to be in the creepy game called Prey. If you haven't played it, I highly suggest trying it for a good solid hour or 2 to get a good October scare. 'tis the season for spooky Steve :P
After you play the game you won't trust inanimate objects ever again!
Question : my rx5700 xt down-clock aggressively while in gaming (battlefield 1 , 4 ,call of duty 19 beta) 400~500~800~1100mhz and frames decreasing from 160 to 110 frames, the cpu is ryzen 3600 . even if i increased the resolution to 2k the gpu down-clock itself , temp about 70 in gaming....in GPU stress it goes 90 degree with steady 1900+mhz speed .
i tried everything (DDU , fresh install of games ..)
Might be power supply thing?
@@roiiam no it is not power issues, tested on def PSU, and if i connected the GPU with Display Port the memory clock stuck at 1750 mhz on idle.
Try disabling ulps in msi afterburner, it's another one of those power saver features that can cause performance hiccups, also you'll have to re disable it after every gpu driver installation, also check you're system ram that it's running In Dual channel configuration
@@chillhour6155 I DID and from regedit but with no luck
@@A-Jaradat-Z did you do a vram test ?, maybe there is a fault with the card somehow or the temp sensor on the card is out of wack and making the card randomly throttle
also try to download the latest chipset drivers for you're system
the powerplay tool is piss easy to use. sure you have to re do it when you update the driver but you can save the change and easily load it in.
In my area there's not that much of a price difference between a 5700 and 5700 XT, generally $30-50. Saving such a small amount of money by getting the 5700 and then manual flashing hardly seems worth, especially if there are issues with the warranty over the next 3 years.
Oh my god, that product placement for the Hardware Unboxed mug at the start was so awkwardly done.
I loved it! 😁
RandomGamingHD did this to his reference 5700 and It worked and it didn't get to much hotter. Pretty good for a blower card
I don't know how you got such low temps. I have an XFX 5700 XT Thick 3 and I get 85C-90C while gaming. 65C is very unrealistic in my case at least. Non-XFX manufacturers' 5700 XT's run up to 115C. So probably it doesn't work like a 5700 XT or it might be the exact opposite that this is the real 5700 XT with low temps :D
Well, perhaps I’m just getting old (lol), but I think it would make more sense to just pay the few extra dollars and get the XT variant. I honestly don’t think it’s worth the effort, risk or headache. Although I am Ryzen user now, I didn’t buy a Radeon card this time around. At the time I was buying components, E-Tailers were trying to “flush” the older RTX cards from their inventory and I was able to pick up an older MSI 2070 at a great price. Low thermals and noise combined the 3900X equals GREAT PERFORMANCE. I’m one “happy camper”.
Hey guys,
i need expert advice, what is the difference between RX 5700 and Vega 56, or which one to choose with a build of :
Cpu : ryzen 5 3600 or 2600
Mob : Msi b450 PRO-VDH max
RAM : 2x8 GB corsair vengeance 3000mhz
Psu : corsair VS650 650W
I got a good deal and the price difference between the cards is just about 68 Euro more with the AMD radeon RX 5700.
I known there is lots of differences between the two, but got lost online with the undervolting and Gddr6 /Hbm2.
Thanks in advance for your comments and suggestions.
Well as if the thicc II wasn't memy enough now you want them to price it at 420? And the temperatures it should reach are 69? LOL
Nice
Xfx is the best
I'm looking forward to the upcoming video where you just review the mug for 20 minutes.
Thermal performance tables, lots of graphs, and a detailed explanation of how there is zero power draw measured at the wall. You need to make this video ASAP.
I flashed a geforce 4 TI into an RTX 2080TI the other day. Got a 10 000% bump in performance it was glorious.
The smirk after drinking from that mug is the epitemy of "Humble marketing"
Would it be worth to buy a 5700 red devil at 450 $ and flash it with the XT bios, or should i just go with the red devil 5700 XT at 530 $ ?
also thanks for all the great videos :) they help me out a ton!
I forgot what the video was about already, but that mug looks awesome and now I want a coffee! XD
Bought this card for under 300€ new, a no brainer for the performance you get out of it. It isn't the quietest at all but a great 1440p solution.
Could you talk about "coil whine" noise of both video cards?
Back in GTX 670 never knew what coil whine was, than GTX 970 had some coil whine.
Just few days ago upgraded to Asus TUF Gaming RX 5700 XT... boy oh boy~ this thing coil while way more than my old 970 when running higher frame rates.
Would love for you to talk about it, why/what it is, what we can do? what can manufacturers do? etc...
Thanks.
Steve: *sips coffee*
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Me: *breathes*
Linus: *"only 2$ at **lttstore.com**"*
Steve please help me out.
I have decided to buy a Rx 5700 and flash it to XT. I have two options to buy from 1)Sapphire Rx 5700 pulse & 2) Gigabyte Rx 5700 gaming oc.
But I noticed that the gigabyte card has only one 8-pin power connector and the sapphire card has 8-pin+6-pin power connector.
So will there be any power shortage in the gigabyte card because it will draw about 25% more power in the XT bios. Will I get less performance? I have Corsair VS 650 psu which has two 8-pin connectors.
Steve have you over clocked the mug? What kind of temps are we talking?
Hmm where was this vid for vega 56 to 64 bios? LoL.
In all seriousness makes you more inclined to just buy the rx 5700 unless want higher air cooler models design
Vega is a dead meme, there were virtually no good AIB models to speak of.
@@Hardwareunboxed not really. Asus/powercoler and sapphire had great Air cooler cards. The best being sapphire rx vega nitro+ imo. Only trash one was gigabyte and msi aint release a variant. For sure the launch wasnt great but got better. Its a 'dead meme" that can compete nearly/ beats gtx 1080 & rtx 2070 til this day.... Yeah Aight got you Lol. If anything is a dead meme is nvidia's " it just works" .
In all seriousness , rx 5700 series for sure more power effiecent & more enticing cards rn in 2019 since its new.
This is why it's so good to have cards with dual or triple bioses, just in case you mess up a vbios flash.
Does it matter which XT BIOS you flash the 5700 with?
Not a bad result. Quite a nice bit of merch there. :)
yeah i would love to have a blue square on my mug ,so stylish
RandomGamingHD did this a week or so ago and got great results as well. I might give it a go if I can grab a 5700 for a good price on Black Friday/Cyber Monday this year.
Wich RX5700 cards are ther best build for that? I guess the Red Devil, Gaming X and Strix but still wondering :p
Are u planning to do a review on the ASUS TUF 5700XT? Wonder how it holds up vs. the Reddevil .
I recently purchased the RX 5700 Evoke OC from NewEgg for $298. Can i flash the BIOS into the Evoke XT in order to get similar results to what you got with the XFX RX 5700 DD Ultra flashed? Similar to the Red Devil variant
1:16 Dat flex tho
Next time show us how you dip chocolate chip cookies in a Hardware Unboxed mug filled with milk?
1:19 " A few sips here out of my official hardware unboxed mug"
Ok Linus with the merch plugs
Given the current price for this card is around $320 and the performance this can unlock, I'm going to have to seriously consider whether it's worth the extra cost vs a 1660 super for the use I'll be putting it to. If Nvidia keeps selling the Founders Edition 2060's for $299, I'll probably go with that as a compromise in the middle given it's a MUCH higher quality card than this plastic fantastic thing.
Curious what everyones opinion is do i get a r7 2700 for 220 or a r5 3600 for 275 to pair with a 5700XT . I feel like there will barely be a difference and i can even sell the wraith spire LED for like 15 making it 205$
I got the XFX RX5700 DD Ultra for $300 plus tax. Using auto-overclock thru the Radeon Software I am seeing boost clocks of up to 1950mhz with very decent temps, 80c and under during stress testing. Also seeing power hit over 200 watts at times. Is there any worthwhile advantage left to be gained if I Flash to the XFX RX5700XT THICC II BIOS? It seems like my card stock OC'd is close to what he is getting with a BIOS Flashed card in these videos. I have never BIOS Flashed or OC'd graphics cards before so maybe I am missing something here. I appreciate any help here.
Double Dissipation Steve - they use this naming for quite some time - XFX I mean.
Is that a fancy way of saying it has 2 fans like pretty much all their models? :D
@@Hardwareunboxed Precisely, another dumb naming, but at least it's consistent with the naming scheme established years ago which makes more sense than calling a card "THICC"...
Great video, nice mug :-)
Stupid question. Once its flashed what drivers do you download for it? Regular 5700 or xt version???
Im getting a XFX RX 5700 Triple Dissipation but the only XT triple dissipation bios I could find are not verified, what would you suggest?