I only subscribed a few weeks ago, and I'm not disappointed with the intros. My favourite so far, was the ram comparison where you just said *"ram"* , then rolled the intro.
Creative Tech Productions do notifications set mean you get it the very millisecond it’s release? I mean if you watch a video a few hours after it is uploaded who cares
Both my 1440p gaming monitors are AMD freesync, I went with the AMD 5700XT AE and watercooled it with an EK WB, did the voltage mod via registry and it runs @ 2125MHz @1.225v with 40c GPU and 58c HS.
It's a fantastic card but paying 600$ for a liquid cooled 5700xt makes no sense. And then you also have to purchase your own radiator To make matters worse. You are better off purchasing the regular red devil or Sapphire nitro + and overclocking it.
Agreed that paying 600 for a liquid cooled 5700xt doesn't make sense. But nobody is cross-shopping between this and an aircooled card, either you already have a custom loop, plan to build one anyways, or you don't, in which case this card is irrelevant to you. No, the issue with this card is that a reference 5700, which has a really good PCB, and a full cover block to go with it is between 50 and 100 bucks cheaper, and will perform exactly the same I was really interested in this card, cause i thought it would be cheaper or at least similarly priced to reference card + aftermarket block. But as it is it's pointless.
This is a late comment, but some people just enjoy building with parts that are intelligently designed. This card is more like buying a piece of art. It will only appreciate in value with time as it is such an odd entry into the 5700 xt lineup.
@@prjndigo It sure looks that way to me. And knowing EK, their blocks are 1 slot in width. Yes, some cards do take up 2 slots, say if they have 3 DP, 1 HDMI, and a DVI port. But this card doesn't. It's outputs are at the PCB level slot. But the block is still 1 slot.
@@sirmonkey1985 The support point is at the PCB where it connects. It makes no difference whether it's a 1 or 2 slot bracket, unless the 2nd slot is attached to a DVI port. But that is not the case with this card, so it has no bearing.
NVIDIA is the BEST, period. And the only one pushing graphics technology on the PC platform to the point of forcing next gen consoles to seriously begin to catch up.
@@RAW_Reality True ...they may not reach the graphics pc gaming can achieve BUT they will always out sell pc gaming. People forget we dont only have two console manufacturers int he market right now that sells a lot....there is the nintendo switch as well. All consoles together outsell any gpu for gaming. And with current culture of plug and play, pc gaming is less appetizing to a large group of people.
I loved that long stare you made when you said the "32 cores brute forcing editing" I also am looking forward to that content. You guys seem genuinely excited (or at least interested) in how the threadripper stuff is going to perform.
8:36 "When you are dealing with water, because it has a massive thermal capacity, it takes time before it fully reaches maximum temperatures." => uses the biggest reservoir he can get, making it last longer to get to maximum temperatures, loosing more time @JayzTwoCents Good thing you will have the new threadripper soon, gaining time again ;-)
i'm a big amd fan, purchased 2 generations of Ryzen CPUs and I am rooting for them!! But I have to be honest when I saw that its going to take a whole heck of alot more to get me away from Nvidia GPUs. I hate to say it because I am not about their business practices but they have great cards and drivers support.
Preach the drivers, my mate just got a 5700 xt (upgraded from another AMD GPU even) and he's experiencing constant framedrops caused by the card going back to idle speeds for a split second every minute.
Navi is still (relatively) new, whereas Turing had the chance to improve over the span of a year+. However, some speculate that the "fine wine" driver treatment may not apply to Navi compared to Vega or Polaris. One thing is for sure, AMD has done a good job breathing life in my old Vega 56 to keep up decently in games at 1440p ultrawide. I'll personally be waiting for Navi 2 (or Navi+, whatever they'll call it next)
@@TheNiteNinja19 It's too early to even talk about "Fine Wine", it takes at least 1.5 years to be able to notice any improvements but what I can say is that the drivers are improving. I own a reference RX 5700 and when using the early drivers, the card would clock consistently between 1650-1680 mhz, considering that the upper limit is 1750 mhz, while using the latest Adrenalin 19.11.3 drivers, now the clocks consistently stay between 1685-1710 mhz, not a huge bump but proves that the drivers are actually improving over time, not to mention that the cards overall stays 5 degree C cooler than before, using the latest drivers. Also modern game engines are getting optimized with the RDNA ISA, so games should start performing better on RDNA GPUs.
I subscribed because the way you present information makes the most sense, and you guys are pretty funny. I didn't think I'd get the added bonus of metal music with statistics. Thank you.
As Seen in Videos from Igorslab, increasing the Power Limit to +200% increased Power Draw by Like max 40-50 Watts If I recall correctly. RDNA works completely different from Vega. If you gave Vega +200% Power, it eure as hell would Draw 500+Watts as its choking on Power.
The 5700 XT Red Devil is $440. An EK Waterblock for a 5700 is $140 (I think they still only have reference card models available though.) With that, the price isn't crazy. However, what you said at the end is correct. The only reason to get this over a 2070 Super is aesthetics.
they didnt want jay talking nonsense again. i wouldnt give him parts either, he will immediately go the "you should buy intel nvidia instead" which is bias. reviewers dont even fully update windows so the intel mitigations wont be installed because it reduces performance, sometimes up to 20% which would make AMD more favorable. they will however install windows major updates and pretend they installed mitigations.... they lie. because intel pays them in free merch
Have an MSI 5700xt reference card with an EK block and buying it in the EU, that setup was about a 100 euro cheaper back in august compared to buying just a 2070super from MSI and keeping thjat aircooled. For me it was a good deal back then but now that difference has completely evaporated and i would agree 100% Watercooling an rx5700xt now doesn't make any budget sense anymore even over here. Happy with my set up though. Peak clocks at 2100mhz in global wattman with auto oc on, junction temps of 67°c. Haven't pushed memory yet, keeping that at 875mhz
I'm gonna play the Devil's Advocate here and say that this card might not be overpriced Devil you think it is when you take all things into consideration. Right now EKWB has five different models of water block for the 5700/XT starting at $135 going up to $190 for the special edition with the block being designed to look like the original blower cooler (why?!?!?!?!). Let's take the middle of the road price of $140 as there are two blocks at this price, two at $135 and one at $190. When you take all this into account with the price of a reference with a waterblock that you then have to install yourself, you're paying anywhere from $540-$590 and possibly voiding your warranty, depending on where you live. So, $600 for a better binned, pre-overclocked and water cooled 5700XT that includes a factory warranty and awesome looking custom plates isn't outside the realm of reasonable.
Another thought I just had that might make this card just a little bit sweeter. This couldn't simply be a partnership between EKWB and PowerColor. I think AMD had a hand in this card's creation as well and here is why: PowerColor exclusively makes AMD video cards. That's it. Wouldn't AMD save the best binned silicon to be showcased in the best possible card there is from the partner that makes their cards exclusively? Some more food for thought.
Also, I want to stress that this only makes sense if you were already planning on water cooling a reference 5700 XT to begin with. If you are truly budget conscious, stick with one of the air cooled partner models. Right now I'm rocking the Red Dragon 5700XT because it's a dual slot card that I could easily vertical mount in my case. Do what makes sense for what you are planning in your build.
@@djkonfirmd4783 I'm planning on building another rig for myself then passing this one on to my wife. In that future rig I was planning on water cooling a reference myself, but this makes much more sense to me. Plus both the Devil and Dragon logos fit nicely within my theme as the Dark Lord of the Underworld. Ultimate win there.
I’m doing research to build my first PC in March and I like that you are honest about when something may be a great item but not for the price. I’m out for performance and meet many pc builders who swear on a certain brand because it’s what the always have had.
The Liquid Devil might appeal to a silence enthusiast who wants the pre-installed water block and warranty. Not sure if it is that much quieter than the Red Devil though.
having no fans at all already makes it silent. additionally, going for something like this could safely assume that your pc is not half air half water cooled, so you already have cpu running under water cooling. now, true, jayz has separate loop for it here, but i doubt that adding cpu to same loop would make it so hot, that this 2x fan (7:58) 240mm radiator wouldn't keep up
Jay, That’s why I like your channel so much! You speak only the truth and will not suck it like those AMD fanboys. Just like you say, no matter what brand it is, my money only goes to the best performance product! This is suppose to be a logical choice and not based on bias.
Yes. I can not understand how anyone can think otherwise. Who in their right mind is not thinking "how can I get the most performance for the least money"?
I think there are a lot more people than you think who's mindset is "I will NEVER have a Nvidea card in my PC" I am one of them. Love my 5700 XT. But i value Price/Performance and AMD continue to give us more bang for the buck.
@@Safetytrousers It'll take a while for people to transition, since not everyone upgrades whenever a new card is released. People still play on cards like the r9 or a gtx 660, so the market will definitely take a while before it will start showing changes. What would be interesting to look at are sales, since they show the immediate effects of the release of these cards.
@@jakehead20 Well i am waiting for the 5500 and 5500M to come out as well as 5300 series. 5500 should be the best performance/price for powering a 1080p monitor. Also next year they should release a 5900 series which would be for 4K. Then soon after all this RDNA 2 cards with built in Ray Tracing hardware.
if you were able to put the radiators out a window to keep the room cool I think it'd be worth it over 2 years in comfort... for density of having 4 cards in a box it makes sense too .... BUT.
It's a $60 premium over purchasing separately. EK charges $139.99(without back plate) for their standard 5700XT waterblock. $60 gets you a non voided warranty, quieter/cooler card plus the advantage of plug and play out of the box. You could always go cheaper using a different/less expensive waterblock. In the end it's your $, only you can decide what is and isn't worth spending it on.
I would have like to have seen the reference PC w ek block included in this. Price and benchmarks. But I love all the content just trying to give feedback. Keep up the good work guys
16:50 That's especially true for people in the Linux sphere. Linus Trovalds (guy mainly credited for the creation of Linux) even gave Nvidia the middle finger on camera.
HOLY SHIT! EDITOR(S) FOR JAY, PLEASE VOLUME LEVEL YOUR VIDEOS! Wow that was a HUGE jump up AND down in volume from that end of intro product commercial!
I would love to see some linux bencharks between 5700xt and 2070super i know that linux is niche market, but it would be just plain fun to see (imo ofc)
I just bought this card. Main reasons: great looks from all angles and size. Putting it into a Thermaltake P1 with an unorthodox MB orientation that limits my card length to about 280mm. So ultimately I paid a premium for the freedom of artistry of my build and custom loop.
@@KOOLBOI2006 you seem to miss the point. First gen ryzen wasn't a performer, gen1 plus shook things up, gen 2(ryzen 3000) is our current lord. Thiscould be the same thing. Also, don't forget that with the new consoles amd is reaffirming their power there as well, which can lead to interesting changes(maybe some proper multithread support)
GravGunner 16 threads is gonna be the limit of multithreaded support this generation because I believe thats the number of threads on the next gen consoles. If nvidia only use 7nm to optimize for raytracing and not for clocks and ipc then I am worried about nvidia and will be pretty confident amd will thrash nvidia on modern games. Just look at red dead redemption 2
I want to water cool of all of the things because I want a quiet and because it looks cool. I also think there may be a case for this kind of thing in an mITX build where you want to control where the heat goes, but we do need the 5900xt
I got a RTX 2080 Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce w/preinstalled waterblock for $600 on NewEgg. It was an open box deal and it saved me $150 on going out and buying a gpu waterblock. Also, RGB looks great and integrates well with my Gigabyte X570 Master motherboard.
I love my Gigabyte 2070 Super,but I like seeing more options other than reference/founders edition. Still team green,but I love seeing more competition. Running Modern Warfare at 60 Resolution at 4k is nice.
so, max oc-clocks seem to be capped on the vbios - please fiddle with these soft powerplay tables, to raise these clocks even further... or mod the bios itself. you have the dual bios. im so damn curious, what a proper binned, over-the-top designed, watercooled card might be able to accomplish..
I love my Sapphire xt nitro+ I bought on yours, Gamers Nexus and Hardware unboxed reviews of the card, great for Valve index VR and all modern games so far!
I use this card with Linux, Windows and Mac. And i like that its silent! I think it worth the money! (i like the kernel drivers on Linux and Mac, that's why i choose AMD over Nvidia). So nvidia has no chance even if the 2080 cost 1 dollar. (maybe in that case i will build a "just gaming pc"). Thanks for the video!
how I feel about these types of graphics cards you ask? I think they should focus more on the power and less on the color.. get it? yea ill show myself out
I recently replaced the existing thermal paste in my MSI 5700XT MECH OC with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut. There was a significant thermal improvement. Without any overclock, the Junction Temp at idle dropped from 33 to 26. The Current Temperature (using the terminology found in the Radeon Software) dropped from 28 to 26. The fact that the two are now the same is very telling. More importantly, prior to the change, I had a couple of games that routinely drove the Junction Temp to 112 (again, that is without any OC). Maybe not dangerous, but too high for my comfort. After adding the liquid metal the junction temp never goes over 80. My plan was to later add an AOI cooler to the GPU, but with the results I got from the change in thermal paste I have decided not to waste the money.
Saw this on Newegg and it grabbed my eye. They really should have gone with blue RGB. Everything out there is red and I am being rebellious with my blue RGB rig.
As someone who is currently using a r9 390x hybrid from powercolor,(works perfect for my use) I am very excited about this card. Also as a linux user, I don't do nvidia, not trying to fight about this either. (Note I do not play the latest games. kf2, tld, witcher 3. All near max at 2k.) $600 is a bit more then I'd want to pay, but by next year if it's down closer to 450, I'll probably upgrade. (I was considering buying sapphires nitro+ 5700xt (I think that was the name) So I'll just wait a little longer I guess. Thanks for the review Jay!
I don't know why YT is giving me Jayz 5700 XT videos... but I somehow missed this. I hope Powercolor will continue with this edition for next generation. I always watercool my card, not buying the block separately is good. Especially if it is so good looking.
I appreciate the info that you guys give; For me its like watching Robin Leech and wishing for the lifestyles of the rich and famous, I'm a 61 year old gamer with my eye on Graphic Art and Design. I've lucked up on a lot of software over the years only to suffer hardware failures XP, was first, Two (2) system fails one before you tube fame another after, My current Budget build consisted of a Dell 7010, 650 watt Power Star, Geforce GTX 1060, 8GB ram which ran great for a while soon resulting in an OS Failure 6 months ago. paying to have Windows 10 reinstalled resulting in being locked out of the three (3) storage drives that where installed in the 7010. I recently replaced the OS with a new ADATA SSD 250 which lasted almost two (2) weeks. I'm not asking for you guys to do a build on my budget as some kid living on C.A.R.E. has a better chance then I do on my budget right now. Looking at the Dell 9020 prebuilt using parts from my last system to complete, but a Ryzen setup budget with the ability for future upgrades seems like a better choice so I'm asking for your help in any way advice and direction, I would like to keep playing on PC and do Graphics Das Studio, Poser and hopefully Maya at the ready. Any Help Will Be Greatly Appreciated. Thanks Folks and Keep Up The Good Work!!! Carlos Rice Thank You
Brynden Rivers the target market is PC gamers, and EVGA is selling watercooled 2070S from their own site for 569$ (and probably cheaper on Amazon/Microcenter/etc) This is terrible value, period. On top of that who would even want to spend so much money on such a low performance GPU, if you’re spending big bucks on a custom loop, Radeon just doesn’t have anything worth the cost, at least not today. Gotta #WaitForBigNavi I guess.
@@post-leftluddite Yes it's a hybrid card, because Nvidia, its partners and its customers don't bother with custom loops for mid tier GPUs. It's a silly idea, no matter how you look at it. The Hybrid cooler does actively cool the memory and there's a low RPM fan on the VRMs. I have a hybrid cooler on my 1080Ti and I can run it silent with the GPU never going above 60°C, or 50°C if I make the fans spin a bit. This while the GPU draws up to 360W, and 2070S is only 215W at stock. Even a hybrid cooler is overkill, even for overclocking. It doesn't matter how you try to spin it. With the Nvidia solution you get a faster GPU at a lower price, that comes in an all in one solution that doesn't require you to spend extra. This AMD card is an overpriced mid tier card that requires you to spend another 500$ minimum on more watercooling gear.
I got ahold of the BIOS for this card and used it on my reference 5700. I've got the OC holding at about 2050mhz on core and 1875mhz on the memory under my own custom loop. Its almost reaching these scores.
Hello last year. They did. Depending on test or use case their highest end can compete or even beat nVidia's highest card now, though the 6800XT is where it's at. Last gen was 5700XT, and 1080ti and 980 before that imho.
Love it when a video card comes water ready right out of the box.But the proprietary RGB software is a deal breaker. I already hate that I'm forced to use the Aura Sync software on my ASUS motherboard.
As someone who owns a 5700 xt let me just say wait on it for a while for updated drivers there are still known issues with the card that make it so frustrating to play anything with it
There are TONS of resources to get the info you're after. There's way too much variability to recommend something for a specific person, based off of "... for 1440p entry." And RUclips comments isn't one of those resources. Start with a budget and make a list of the components you need. (Monitor, mouse, keyboard, ram, CPU, etc.) Then look at the options for each of them. Start putting it together on pc parts picker dot com, and it'll tell you if there are any glaring incompatibilities.
pcpartpicker.com/list/c6bcTC ryzen 5 1600 and rx 580 will be enough to be able to play 60 hz at 1440p. You can get rx 580s for 105$ on eBay or other sites easily to save 70$ from buying them new. I also included mouse, keyboard, headset, monitor, and ESD bracelet. I didn't include a mousepad but you should have to spend alot on one of those
R5 2600, B450 Tomahawk, 2x8GB Ddr4-3200mhz, used gtx 1080 (170-200$), Fractal Define G, for monitor I would still go 144hz tho. Logitech G305, Hyperx alloy fps, headphones whatever you prefer.
ryzen 5 3600 or 3600x b450 mobo used 1080ti if you can get one for the price if not and rtx 2070 super and try to get 16 gb of 3200mhz+ memory as for a monitor I have a 1440p HP omen 165hz monitor and I love it
great vid. my normal 2070 is amazing at 1440p for over 100 fps for all games i play like borderlands 3, battlefield 5 and destiny 2 as an example so any card thats better or more expensive is really only needed for enthusiasts, aesthetics or semi future proofing
Very interesting produce you have there. Curious about why you only tried lowering the voltages, or rather, didn't show what happened increasing them? As always, good content, informative, and much laughs. But why smell good?
I'm surprised you didn't highlight that the reference with the EK block is like, $70 cheaper than this and performs just as well if you can hit the clocks.
I feel like the perfect target for buying this card is for a Linux user who cares about not using a binary driver (Nvidia) over an open source driver (AMD) but at the same time is really into enthusiast hardware. Admittedly, this is a very small market.
I'm the guy you talked about at the end - I'll keep buying nVidia as long as they're the fastest. If AMD could put out a comparable card to nVidia's flagship, I'd buy it.
Hi J, Don't bash the 5500, it may well be the most important release for AMD this round... It's slower than the 5700 but it'll be gr8 fro OEMs and bring team red some cash which in turn may go towards a 5800/5900 or even a ng 6800(?) Really like your vids! You inspired me to custom water-cool my PC and now, create my own YT channel with a friend, keep it up
They should've put "when hell freezes over" tagline on the box
Maybe if they do one with an LN2 pot.
Also a star icon that says "Water cooling not included"
"Hell" accurately described my RX5700
They should've hired you as their marketing expert
When hell freezes over is when AMD gpu can compete with Nvidia's top of the line cards?
0:00 When I join a Discord call.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 same
XD sammeee
I honestly thought someone joined my discord LMAO
Still cleaning Jays saliva from my headphones ... gross.
What's a discord?
Watching this a year later after all the optimizations for this card makes me really want a follow up video, similar to what Harbor Box did.
Jay, that purple water in your system looks like cough syrup.
purp drank..
Lean Machine
It's running Lean
Shhhhh, it's not die, its secretly super concentrated robitussin dm.
*LEAN.*
I only subscribed a few weeks ago, and I'm not disappointed with the intros.
My favourite so far, was the ram comparison where you just said *"ram"* , then rolled the intro.
PureRushXevus do you also stay to the very end? it gets better
@@garforce2 Just did, that was hilarious and random xD
Those were the most metal graphs I've ever heard.
Ah yes I can't wait to see if this hits 144 resolutions on my monitor.
he will never live the resolution thing down
I'll give you the Holy Baguette, gives you +10 attack and 5% revolution chance
Lol good times
I've equipped the Nvidia boots of escaping +2
Yes, but can you tell the difference if it only hits 120 resolution?
“Less red and more liquid.” Lol
But what about using red liquid?
I watched this video 7 hours ago and just got the notification for it. RUclips has really been messing up lately
@@TylerDorety RUclips has been messing up since 2015-2016 honestly.
turns card on......red as fuck
Creative Tech Productions do notifications set mean you get it the very millisecond it’s release?
I mean if you watch a video a few hours after it is uploaded who cares
Ok guys, i know it's out of context but i can't believe how much weight jay has lost, i'm so proud of him ❤️
Just watched a JayzTwoCents video from 2015 and holy crap does he look better/healthier now. Good on you man.
Both my 1440p gaming monitors are AMD freesync, I went with the AMD 5700XT AE and watercooled it with an EK WB, did the voltage mod via registry and it runs @ 2125MHz @1.225v with 40c GPU and 58c HS.
It's a fantastic card but paying 600$ for a liquid cooled 5700xt makes no sense. And then you also have to purchase your own radiator To make matters worse.
You are better off purchasing the regular red devil or Sapphire nitro + and overclocking it.
warcrab cyber I’m going to buy the cheapest dual fan 5700xt and call it a day
@@MarshallSambell get the sapphire pulse rx 5700 xt. It's amazing and its about $420. One of the best purchases i made
Agreed that paying 600 for a liquid cooled 5700xt doesn't make sense. But nobody is cross-shopping between this and an aircooled card, either you already have a custom loop, plan to build one anyways, or you don't, in which case this card is irrelevant to you.
No, the issue with this card is that a reference 5700, which has a really good PCB, and a full cover block to go with it is between 50 and 100 bucks cheaper, and will perform exactly the same
I was really interested in this card, cause i thought it would be cheaper or at least similarly priced to reference card + aftermarket block. But as it is it's pointless.
@@gabofps6725 Are there issues with the bios on them....? Heard they were a bit of trouble... I wanted one but don't want issues..
Thanks
This is a late comment, but some people just enjoy building with parts that are intelligently designed. This card is more like buying a piece of art. It will only appreciate in value with time as it is such an odd entry into the 5700 xt lineup.
They’re reaaaally making us wait for the 5900 cards
Its a wise choice to wait imo
@@broken1965 damn just bought an XT last week lol
They may not release 5900's, we may get 5800's and then next gen.
I got the red devil 5700xt as soon as it came out in Australia... was a cheap pre order of 729 bucks. If you think thats bad a 2080ti is 2.2k+
5800 will be just AMD's answer to Nvidia's 7nm ampere the performance gap will still be there
“you know why...smells good” -Jay 2019
I was dead after this one xD
Too bad they didn't include a 1 slot I/O bracket.
It isn't actually a 1 slot device.
@@prjndigo It sure looks that way to me. And knowing EK, their blocks are 1 slot in width. Yes, some cards do take up 2 slots, say if they have 3 DP, 1 HDMI, and a DVI port. But this card doesn't. It's outputs are at the PCB level slot. But the block is still 1 slot.
the dual slot bracket helps with supporting the weight of the card.
@@sirmonkey1985 The support point is at the PCB where it connects. It makes no difference whether it's a 1 or 2 slot bracket, unless the 2nd slot is attached to a DVI port. But that is not the case with this card, so it has no bearing.
There's nothing in slot 2 so they should of included a single slot bracket
Competition, competition, competition. The more, the better.
Its lean j drinks it after the videos..
NVIDIA is the BEST, period. And the only one pushing graphics technology on the PC platform to the point of forcing next gen consoles to seriously begin to catch up.
Research project:
"How to catch up when you're already ahead". 😒
Lmao
@@RAW_Reality True ...they may not reach the graphics pc gaming can achieve BUT they will always out sell pc gaming. People forget we dont only have two console manufacturers int he market right now that sells a lot....there is the nintendo switch as well. All consoles together outsell any gpu for gaming. And with current culture of plug and play, pc gaming is less appetizing to a large group of people.
@13:38 I like the heavy metal music for the charts section, makes me feel Phil is headbanging while editing this together lok
He lost the opportunity to say that they "didn't win the silicon lottery" when they didn't get the 3950x.
I loved that long stare you made when you said the "32 cores brute forcing editing" I also am looking forward to that content. You guys seem genuinely excited (or at least interested) in how the threadripper stuff is going to perform.
8:36 "When you are dealing with water, because it has a massive thermal capacity, it takes time before it fully reaches maximum temperatures."
=> uses the biggest reservoir he can get, making it last longer to get to maximum temperatures, loosing more time
@JayzTwoCents Good thing you will have the new threadripper soon, gaining time again ;-)
Honest review man. 599$ is way too much. The whole point of AMD is more fps per dollar. Cards like this destroys that concept.
i'm a big amd fan, purchased 2 generations of Ryzen CPUs and I am rooting for them!! But I have to be honest when I saw that its going to take a whole heck of alot more to get me away from Nvidia GPUs. I hate to say it because I am not about their business practices but they have great cards and drivers support.
Preach the drivers, my mate just got a 5700 xt (upgraded from another AMD GPU even) and he's experiencing constant framedrops caused by the card going back to idle speeds for a split second every minute.
Navi is still (relatively) new, whereas Turing had the chance to improve over the span of a year+. However, some speculate that the "fine wine" driver treatment may not apply to Navi compared to Vega or Polaris. One thing is for sure, AMD has done a good job breathing life in my old Vega 56 to keep up decently in games at 1440p ultrawide.
I'll personally be waiting for Navi 2 (or Navi+, whatever they'll call it next)
@@TheNiteNinja19 It's too early to even talk about "Fine Wine", it takes at least 1.5 years to be able to notice any improvements but what I can say is that the drivers are improving.
I own a reference RX 5700 and when using the early drivers, the card would clock consistently between 1650-1680 mhz, considering that the upper limit is 1750 mhz, while using the latest Adrenalin 19.11.3 drivers, now the clocks consistently stay between 1685-1710 mhz, not a huge bump but proves that the drivers are actually improving over time, not to mention that the cards overall stays 5 degree C cooler than before, using the latest drivers.
Also modern game engines are getting optimized with the RDNA ISA, so games should start performing better on RDNA GPUs.
The aesthetics of my amd pc with my Radeon VII are sexy as hell tbh. Although i should have water cooled instead of getting a mega noctua cooler lol
@@KacKLaPPeN23 my rx 480 does that when i pkay something very easy to process which is like any game if not on high graphics
I subscribed because the way you present information makes the most sense, and you guys are pretty funny. I didn't think I'd get the added bonus of metal music with statistics.
Thank you.
K, now do the power play table mod and see how far you can really push OCs.
Yes
Haven't Gamers Nexus allready done that with a 5700XT with EK watercooling?
Yes!
Even if you could push out another 10%. It wouldn't be enough at this price point. And that's without taking the electricity bill into account.
As Seen in Videos from Igorslab, increasing the Power Limit to +200% increased Power Draw by Like max 40-50 Watts If I recall correctly.
RDNA works completely different from Vega. If you gave Vega +200% Power, it eure as hell would Draw 500+Watts as its choking on Power.
The 5700 XT Red Devil is $440. An EK Waterblock for a 5700 is $140 (I think they still only have reference card models available though.) With that, the price isn't crazy. However, what you said at the end is correct. The only reason to get this over a 2070 Super is aesthetics.
I can see the disappointment in your eyes for not receiving the 3950X
Less shilling then...!!!
they didnt want jay talking nonsense again. i wouldnt give him parts either, he will immediately go the "you should buy intel nvidia instead" which is bias.
reviewers dont even fully update windows so the intel mitigations wont be installed because it reduces performance, sometimes up to 20% which would make AMD more favorable. they will however install windows major updates and pretend they installed mitigations.... they lie. because intel pays them in free merch
@@goblinphreak2132 you better have some proof for those claims.
Jonathan he didn’t.....shocker
@@goblinphreak2132 to bad Intel still at 14nm for 10th Gen
Have an MSI 5700xt reference card with an EK block and buying it in the EU, that setup was about a 100 euro cheaper back in august compared to buying just a 2070super from MSI and keeping thjat aircooled. For me it was a good deal back then but now that difference has completely evaporated and i would agree 100% Watercooling an rx5700xt now doesn't make any budget sense anymore even over here. Happy with my set up though. Peak clocks at 2100mhz in global wattman with auto oc on, junction temps of 67°c. Haven't pushed memory yet, keeping that at 875mhz
I'm gonna play the Devil's Advocate here and say that this card might not be overpriced Devil you think it is when you take all things into consideration. Right now EKWB has five different models of water block for the 5700/XT starting at $135 going up to $190 for the special edition with the block being designed to look like the original blower cooler (why?!?!?!?!). Let's take the middle of the road price of $140 as there are two blocks at this price, two at $135 and one at $190. When you take all this into account with the price of a reference with a waterblock that you then have to install yourself, you're paying anywhere from $540-$590 and possibly voiding your warranty, depending on where you live. So, $600 for a better binned, pre-overclocked and water cooled 5700XT that includes a factory warranty and awesome looking custom plates isn't outside the realm of reasonable.
Good point. (EDIT) x3
Another thought I just had that might make this card just a little bit sweeter. This couldn't simply be a partnership between EKWB and PowerColor. I think AMD had a hand in this card's creation as well and here is why:
PowerColor exclusively makes AMD video cards. That's it. Wouldn't AMD save the best binned silicon to be showcased in the best possible card there is from the partner that makes their cards exclusively? Some more food for thought.
Also, I want to stress that this only makes sense if you were already planning on water cooling a reference 5700 XT to begin with. If you are truly budget conscious, stick with one of the air cooled partner models. Right now I'm rocking the Red Dragon 5700XT because it's a dual slot card that I could easily vertical mount in my case. Do what makes sense for what you are planning in your build.
I was already planning to use an EK or corsair block to water cool a reference 5700xt. This seems like the perfect card for me!
@@djkonfirmd4783 I'm planning on building another rig for myself then passing this one on to my wife. In that future rig I was planning on water cooling a reference myself, but this makes much more sense to me. Plus both the Devil and Dragon logos fit nicely within my theme as the Dark Lord of the Underworld. Ultimate win there.
I’m doing research to build my first PC in March and I like that you are honest about when something may be a great item but not for the price. I’m out for performance and meet many pc builders who swear on a certain brand because it’s what the always have had.
The Liquid Devil might appeal to a silence enthusiast who wants the pre-installed water block and warranty. Not sure if it is that much quieter than the Red Devil though.
having no fans at all already makes it silent. additionally, going for something like this could safely assume that your pc is not half air half water cooled, so you already have cpu running under water cooling.
now, true, jayz has separate loop for it here, but i doubt that adding cpu to same loop would make it so hot, that this 2x fan (7:58) 240mm radiator wouldn't keep up
Jay, That’s why I like your channel so much! You speak only the truth and will not suck it like those AMD fanboys. Just like you say, no matter what brand it is, my money only goes to the best performance product! This is suppose to be a logical choice and not based on bias.
Yes. I can not understand how anyone can think otherwise. Who in their right mind is not thinking "how can I get the most performance for the least money"?
The looks of these cards makes me so disappointed that I can’t afford them
I just wanna say you're not alone bro!!
It's a shame that midrange GPU are worth so much now.
I think there are a lot more people than you think who's mindset is "I will NEVER have a Nvidea card in my PC"
I am one of them. Love my 5700 XT. But i value Price/Performance and AMD continue to give us more bang for the buck.
Steam survey has AMD flat lined at 15% since 2018.
idk most peopel are having major issues with there 5700xt im about to return mine and get an rtx 2070 super.
@@Satsujiin gross
@@Safetytrousers It'll take a while for people to transition, since not everyone upgrades whenever a new card is released. People still play on cards like the r9 or a gtx 660, so the market will definitely take a while before it will start showing changes. What would be interesting to look at are sales, since they show the immediate effects of the release of these cards.
@@jakehead20
Well i am waiting for the 5500 and 5500M to come out as well as 5300 series. 5500 should be the best performance/price for powering a 1080p monitor.
Also next year they should release a 5900 series which would be for 4K. Then soon after all this RDNA 2 cards with built in Ray Tracing hardware.
I'm a bit torn because of the price. I like the product and I'm interested. But 599 is tough.
How can buy a rx5700 XT and out a ek Waterblock
Go for the Red devil NON liquid cooler
if you were able to put the radiators out a window to keep the room cool I think it'd be worth it over 2 years in comfort... for density of having 4 cards in a box it makes sense too .... BUT.
It's a $60 premium over purchasing separately. EK charges $139.99(without back plate) for their standard 5700XT waterblock. $60 gets you a non voided warranty, quieter/cooler card plus the advantage of plug and play out of the box. You could always go cheaper using a different/less expensive waterblock.
In the end it's your $, only you can decide what is and isn't worth spending it on.
And the only local price I could find at this time was 669€. Yeah..
i love my 5700 its a beast of a card i weighed it on a digital scale and its 5 lbs which blew me away
I would have like to have seen the reference PC w ek block included in this. Price and benchmarks. But I love all the content just trying to give feedback. Keep up the good work guys
16:50 That's especially true for people in the Linux sphere. Linus Trovalds (guy mainly credited for the creation of Linux) even gave Nvidia the middle finger on camera.
Why does it have a two slot bracket when it is clearly a single slot card?
Weight.
My RTX Seahawk 2080 EK has two brackets. Block and water makes it gangsta lean.
99% of people will not care about it anyway.
Rigidity to support its weight when filled with water, less stress on the PCIE connector.
HOLY SHIT! EDITOR(S) FOR JAY, PLEASE VOLUME LEVEL YOUR VIDEOS! Wow that was a HUGE jump up AND down in volume from that end of intro product commercial!
Its shorter but taller
Jayz2cents
I would love to see some linux bencharks between 5700xt and 2070super
i know that linux is niche market, but it would be just plain fun to see (imo ofc)
I'm so glad I didn't have coffee in my mouth for the last 5 seconds of the vid...
I just bought this card.
Main reasons: great looks from all angles and size. Putting it into a Thermaltake P1 with an unorthodox MB orientation that limits my card length to about 280mm. So ultimately I paid a premium for the freedom of artistry of my build and custom loop.
Is it me or is this starting to seem exactly like the first gen launch of ryzen but for the gpu side of things? AMD is creeping up, watch out Nvidia
Quincyq21 but its a liquid card ...it better be better than air cooled ones
Nvidia 3000 has nothing to worry about since AMD will be releasing a card around 2080ti performance so yet again, a generation behind
@@KOOLBOI2006 you seem to miss the point. First gen ryzen wasn't a performer, gen1 plus shook things up, gen 2(ryzen 3000) is our current lord. Thiscould be the same thing. Also, don't forget that with the new consoles amd is reaffirming their power there as well, which can lead to interesting changes(maybe some proper multithread support)
GravGunner 16 threads is gonna be the limit of multithreaded support this generation because I believe thats the number of threads on the next gen consoles. If nvidia only use 7nm to optimize for raytracing and not for clocks and ipc then I am worried about nvidia and will be pretty confident amd will thrash nvidia on modern games. Just look at red dead redemption 2
Are you stupid? AMD is decades behind.
I want to water cool of all of the things because I want a quiet and because it looks cool. I also think there may be a case for this kind of thing in an mITX build where you want to control where the heat goes, but we do need the 5900xt
Can you be taller and shorter at the same time?
arfhanisbest Yes
Yes
I got a RTX 2080 Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce w/preinstalled waterblock for $600 on NewEgg. It was an open box deal and it saved me $150 on going out and buying a gpu waterblock. Also, RGB looks great and integrates well with my Gigabyte X570 Master motherboard.
I hope you get the 3950x to review, all well and good saying you’ll be getting the new thread ripper but I’m sure 80% have no interest in it
95%
I love my Gigabyte 2070 Super,but I like seeing more options other than reference/founders edition.
Still team green,but I love seeing more competition.
Running Modern Warfare at 60 Resolution at 4k is nice.
In afterburner there's a setting called extend AMD overclocking limits.
so, max oc-clocks seem to be capped on the vbios - please fiddle with these soft powerplay tables, to raise these clocks even further... or mod the bios itself. you have the dual bios. im so damn curious, what a proper binned, over-the-top designed, watercooled card might be able to accomplish..
Jay says that card is ultimate 1440p card, I say my 2080ti is the ultimate 1440p card :p
Can't wait til the new Aorus 5700 XT is released. Looking forward to the tests on it.
Feels like this is a card for Hackintosh users since mac os only takes AMD cards.
Ah thats some good peeling, looking forward to your editing rig, I am in the planning stage right now from scratch
10:56 is real informative
"Science...it just works"
I love the slightly different intro with the zoom :D
3:20... SLOWER! You must drag it out.... the nice slow pull... .yeeeeees....
Real question of value is how much does a full cover block cost + rx5700xt and a warranty that maybe voided by water cooling.
They sure took their time to release this.
Yep. It was needed a couple of months ago. Now, its kind of a waste, especially at this price.
I love my Sapphire xt nitro+ I bought on yours, Gamers Nexus and Hardware unboxed reviews of the card, great for Valve index VR and all modern games so far!
Damn that's a fast card, some of those scores were creeping up on my 1080TI
I love those last few seconds in his vids (well, and the rest, too) :)
Jeej its almost midnight here
@MCRN ORB1T4L now it is 00:00
I use this card with Linux, Windows and Mac. And i like that its silent! I think it worth the money! (i like the kernel drivers on Linux and Mac, that's why i choose AMD over Nvidia). So nvidia has no chance even if the 2080 cost 1 dollar. (maybe in that case i will build a "just gaming pc"). Thanks for the video!
I would have named it devil's blood myself,
The Devil's Blood is a pretty good band.
That card looks great for a vertical mount case. Love your reviews. If you ever retire, you have to train an apprentice just as cool.
how I feel about these types of graphics cards you ask? I think they should focus more on the power and less on the color.. get it? yea ill show myself out
Just bought Sapphire Pulse and im happy. After 10years ATI Radeon 57xxx Serie im like blown away.
We really need a RX 5900
Already have a RX 5700, but I would love to get an even better gpu
I recently replaced the existing thermal paste in my MSI 5700XT MECH OC with Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut. There was a significant thermal improvement. Without any overclock, the Junction Temp at idle dropped from 33 to 26. The Current Temperature (using the terminology found in the Radeon Software) dropped from 28 to 26. The fact that the two are now the same is very telling. More importantly, prior to the change, I had a couple of games that routinely drove the Junction Temp to 112 (again, that is without any OC). Maybe not dangerous, but too high for my comfort. After adding the liquid metal the junction temp never goes over 80. My plan was to later add an AOI cooler to the GPU, but with the results I got from the change in thermal paste I have decided not to waste the money.
Would love to see a dope liquid cooled build of this!
Saw this on Newegg and it grabbed my eye. They really should have gone with blue RGB. Everything out there is red and I am being rebellious with my blue RGB rig.
I know right, I'm trying to make everything green :p
@@gotgames304 Nvidia = green. go for 2070 super and overclock it.
@@gotgames304 lol I would want to make everything green too with a name like yours.
Wait, reducing clocks reduces the speed?
As someone who is currently using a r9 390x hybrid from powercolor,(works perfect for my use) I am very excited about this card. Also as a linux user, I don't do nvidia, not trying to fight about this either.
(Note I do not play the latest games. kf2, tld, witcher 3. All near max at 2k.)
$600 is a bit more then I'd want to pay, but by next year if it's down closer to 450, I'll probably upgrade. (I was considering buying sapphires nitro+ 5700xt (I think that was the name) So I'll just wait a little longer I guess.
Thanks for the review Jay!
Thta's a shame it has limits. It wants to be o.c.'ed more. :(
Dante S550 10R80'S Then use PowerPlay mod.
There is also a tick box in MSI afterburner that says "Extend Official overclocking limits"
@@TheNiteNinja19 why didn't he do that?! it wasn't missing a beat maxing out the pre set limits.
@@Dante_S550_Turbo it wont last long anyway if you go farther on power limit lol. too much watts. can just go 2070 super and overclock it.
@@Ehren1337 talking about the video, was curious of it's limits. I'm not interested in it, just thought it would be entertaining.
I don't know why YT is giving me Jayz 5700 XT videos... but I somehow missed this.
I hope Powercolor will continue with this edition for next generation. I always watercool my card, not buying the block separately is good. Especially if it is so good looking.
When u suddenly know what RGB mean (redmd greenvidia blutel)😏
I appreciate the info that you guys give; For me its like watching Robin Leech and wishing for the lifestyles of the rich and famous, I'm a 61 year old gamer with my eye on Graphic Art and Design. I've lucked up on a lot of software over the years only to suffer hardware failures XP, was first, Two (2) system fails one before you tube fame another after, My current Budget build consisted of a Dell 7010, 650 watt Power Star, Geforce GTX 1060, 8GB ram which ran great for a while soon resulting in an OS Failure 6 months ago. paying to have Windows 10 reinstalled resulting in being locked out of the three (3) storage drives that where installed in the 7010. I recently replaced the OS with a new ADATA SSD 250 which lasted almost two (2) weeks. I'm not asking for you guys to do a build on my budget as some kid living on C.A.R.E. has a better chance then I do on my budget right now. Looking at the Dell 9020 prebuilt using parts from my last system to complete, but a Ryzen setup budget with the ability for future upgrades seems like a better choice so I'm asking for your help in any way advice and direction, I would like to keep playing on PC and do Graphics Das Studio, Poser and hopefully Maya at the ready. Any Help Will Be Greatly Appreciated. Thanks Folks and Keep Up The Good Work!!! Carlos Rice Thank You
Dude you can get a good AIB 2070 Super for that money
Brynden Rivers the target market is PC gamers, and EVGA is selling watercooled 2070S from their own site for 569$ (and probably cheaper on Amazon/Microcenter/etc)
This is terrible value, period.
On top of that who would even want to spend so much money on such a low performance GPU, if you’re spending big bucks on a custom loop, Radeon just doesn’t have anything worth the cost, at least not today. Gotta #WaitForBigNavi I guess.
@@post-leftluddite Yeah but when youre buying a liquid cooled 2070s its cheapest still LOL
@@post-leftluddite Yes it's a hybrid card, because Nvidia, its partners and its customers don't bother with custom loops for mid tier GPUs. It's a silly idea, no matter how you look at it.
The Hybrid cooler does actively cool the memory and there's a low RPM fan on the VRMs. I have a hybrid cooler on my 1080Ti and I can run it silent with the GPU never going above 60°C, or 50°C if I make the fans spin a bit. This while the GPU draws up to 360W, and 2070S is only 215W at stock. Even a hybrid cooler is overkill, even for overclocking.
It doesn't matter how you try to spin it. With the Nvidia solution you get a faster GPU at a lower price, that comes in an all in one solution that doesn't require you to spend extra. This AMD card is an overpriced mid tier card that requires you to spend another 500$ minimum on more watercooling gear.
I got ahold of the BIOS for this card and used it on my reference 5700. I've got the OC holding at about 2050mhz on core and 1875mhz on the memory under my own custom loop. Its almost reaching these scores.
Green, blue, red... Omg even the gpu manufactures are rgb now
I agree with you Jay. AMD really do need to make a card to contend with top tier Nvidia GPU’s
Hello last year. They did. Depending on test or use case their highest end can compete or even beat nVidia's highest card now, though the 6800XT is where it's at. Last gen was 5700XT, and 1080ti and 980 before that imho.
I would have gone with "acceptable airflow" over "ample"
Love it when a video card comes water ready right out of the box.But the proprietary RGB software is a deal breaker. I already hate that I'm forced to use the Aura Sync software on my ASUS motherboard.
Is the Red Devil model better than the Sapphire Nitro model?
yes. red devil is probably the best. but recommend to look at Gamers Nexus coverage. They have charts fer everything
Highborn Thanks for the advice bro
They are more or less tied, comes down to which one you like the look of more and warranty support/if it fits in your case properly
WayStedYou Sounds good
In most benchmarks there is like 1 fps difference, cooling is good on both, specs are the same. It boils down to what is cheaper in your country.
As someone who owns a 5700 xt let me just say wait on it for a while for updated drivers there are still known issues with the card that make it so frustrating to play anything with it
As someone who also owns a 5700xt let me just say i have not encountered any issues that make it frustrating to play games with
I've had a 5700xt Gigabyte gaming OC since launch never a single problem. I did install mine on a fresh build though
@@craigperry3779 i did a fresh install as well but i usually do that with new gpus to avoid any issues, its seems to work
Can you recommend a pc setup for 1440p entry. All peripheral included. Thank you 🙏
There are TONS of resources to get the info you're after. There's way too much variability to recommend something for a specific person, based off of "... for 1440p entry." And RUclips comments isn't one of those resources. Start with a budget and make a list of the components you need. (Monitor, mouse, keyboard, ram, CPU, etc.) Then look at the options for each of them. Start putting it together on pc parts picker dot com, and it'll tell you if there are any glaring incompatibilities.
pcpartpicker.com/list/c6bcTC ryzen 5 1600 and rx 580 will be enough to be able to play 60 hz at 1440p. You can get rx 580s for 105$ on eBay or other sites easily to save 70$ from buying them new. I also included mouse, keyboard, headset, monitor, and ESD bracelet. I didn't include a mousepad but you should have to spend alot on one of those
R5 2600, B450 Tomahawk, 2x8GB Ddr4-3200mhz, used gtx 1080 (170-200$), Fractal Define G, for monitor I would still go 144hz tho.
Logitech G305, Hyperx alloy fps, headphones whatever you prefer.
Ryzen 3700X and RTX 2070Super.
ryzen 5 3600 or 3600x b450 mobo used 1080ti if you can get one for the price if not and rtx 2070 super and try to get 16 gb of 3200mhz+ memory as for a monitor I have a 1440p HP omen 165hz monitor and I love it
great vid. my normal 2070 is amazing at 1440p for over 100 fps for all games i play like borderlands 3, battlefield 5 and destiny 2 as an example so any card thats better or more expensive is really only needed for enthusiasts, aesthetics or semi future proofing
Meanwhile sitting with a reference design waiting for Christmas to come 😭
Spoiled
I demand day-glow pink computer hardware! And more kitty themes!
Wow and here's me gaming at 4k 60fps playing call of duty modern warfare 2019 on vega 56 and a 4790k
now you are just making me feel bad about buying 2060 🙁
4k or 2k??
me too but with a 64 at 1700/1000, maybe next year i may look at upgrading
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chad wick why is it false? Drop some settings and I’m sure it can hit 4k60
Very interesting produce you have there. Curious about why you only tried lowering the voltages, or rather, didn't show what happened increasing them?
As always, good content, informative, and much laughs. But why smell good?
1 view, 30 likes , 9 comments . Incredible !
We. Are. In. Fucking. 2019. And. There. Is. Still. This. Kind. Of. Comments...
I'm surprised you didn't highlight that the reference with the EK block is like, $70 cheaper than this and performs just as well if you can hit the clocks.
I feel like the perfect target for buying this card is for a Linux user who cares about not using a binary driver (Nvidia) over an open source driver (AMD) but at the same time is really into enthusiast hardware. Admittedly, this is a very small market.
I'm the guy you talked about at the end - I'll keep buying nVidia as long as they're the fastest. If AMD could put out a comparable card to nVidia's flagship, I'd buy it.
Thank you for the honest summary at the end, this is why we like & trust you!
Hi J,
Don't bash the 5500, it may well be the most important release for AMD this round... It's slower than the 5700 but it'll be gr8 fro OEMs and bring team red some cash which in turn may go towards a 5800/5900 or even a ng 6800(?)
Really like your vids! You inspired me to custom water-cool my PC and now, create my own YT channel with a friend, keep it up