The Biggest Lies Told About Kobe Bryant
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- #Kobe #KobeBryant #Lakers
SECOND CHANNEL - / @omomustard
Check out the latest episode of the Off the Grid Podcast! - • #144 | Lil Baby is Sti...
Follow me on TikTok:
www.tiktok.com...
Follow me on Twitch:
/ yungmustard23
Follow me on Twitter:
/ yungmustard23
Follow me on Instagram:
www.instagram....
Kobe relative to era simply is efficient. for example 46% in his prime years vs Jordan 48% except Kobe's era was actually less scoring and slower pace. Lerbon 50% vs Kobe 45% for career, except Kobe lived on a harder shot diet than anyone else. There you go. 45% on any shot you want... was good in the early 2000's edit: you said all those things lol
Edit: Playoffs for their Career
Kobe 48% EFG. (Gets higher if you exclude first 2 seasons)
Michael Jordan 50% EFG.
Nearly Identical to the goat in scoring efficiency by itself.
Lebron played in the same era lmao. been 50%+ since day 1
@@tw7321 def not since day 1, but yes, LeBron before his prime was more efficient than Kobe at his peak, and I hate how people talk about the supposedly weak era LeBron played in, as if his and Kobe's careers didn't overlap for 13 seasons. 13 seasons is longer than most players' careers as-is, but Kobe is somehow exempt from all the negative era criticisms that LeBron receives.
Jordan's prime was definitely hitting above 48%, my guy. Way better mid-range shooter too, not even close. Pretty sure the gap between MJ's recorded percentages and Kobe's are bigger than Kobe's and LeBron's, and LeBron is the one with the "can't shoot" reputation. And you can say whatever you want about the shot diet, but taking a bad shot, even if you make it at a higher clip than everyone else, still has negative effects on the offense, especially when you're taking it because you want to and not because you have to (i.e. someone else has a better look).
Jordan's prime is him shooting 53-54% bruh...
@@BlueGrovyle oh damn you’re right. Bron didn’t break 50% til 09-10! and then just absolutely crushed it from there
And yet again, the sun sets on another legend. He passes beyond, to that great stage in the sky, where he will be playing forever as the universe gathers to watch his greatness.
Miss you too much. R.I.P (Return If Possible) Black Mamba.🎉
Biggest lie told about kobe: he was inefficient. He shot above 45 percent, aka above league avg in 12 out of 20 seasons. He was actually pretty damn efficient
Thank you
He was not inefficient in a vacuum. He was just inefficient when you compare him to the other greatest offensive players and scorers in history. Or not AS efficient.
Nah. He wasn't pretty damn efficient. His efficiency were just ok, nothing more for someone who is at that level. You need to notice that if you are one of top 10 greatest players, your efficiency definitely can't be average 😂😂😂soo the fact that he was more efficient than average doesn't mean nothing, because all all- time great players were much more efficient than average efficiency 🤣🤣. From top 1 to top 20 probably, every player was more efficient than Kobe. I said this as an ultimatr Kobe's fan. But he wasn't soo efficient player. Not efficient at all...
@@hristijandimitrovski8664his efficiency wasn't avg. He was above avg and with that efficiency he beat the most 50 win teams in nba history. Yall act like he was westbrook or vanfleet 🤣 and those players outside the top 10 don't have 5 rings and 2 finals mvps 🤷♂️
@@colewrld901 yes, a d I said that too. But if you are one of the greatest basketball players ever, your efficiency must be ahead of average efficiency 🤣🤣🤣🤣soo it's not soo impressive that he was more efficient than the league's average, that's his fucking job. When you are one of the greatest, you have not be not only above league's efficient, but you need to be one of the most efficient players ever. Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Lebron James, Steph Curry, Hakeem, Shaq, Durant, Dirk, Kareem, Wilt... All these players are more efficient than Kobe, all of them.
agree for the most part. the peak thing bugs me though.
ability wise, you can put up mid 2000s Kobe against anybody. when he was still elite on D and was the greatest volume scorer of all time? in 06 he literally took his team from the 3rd worst offense since the merger (off court) to top 5 in the league (on court). there was a reason why Mark Jackson said he thought Kobe would go down as greater than MJ that season, it was when people saw that, oh shit, he might be on that level. That is why his peers compare him to MJ.
then you look at the 08-10 playoff runs and, i'll be honest, i don't know if i can name 5 3 year playoff stretches that are better when you consider competition (11 50+ win teams in 3 years, never replicated) and defense. yeah i know he wasn't elite at that point but he was still better than Magic, Bird or Steph ever were. 30 PPG on good efficiency captaining that team through those playoff years, toughest conference in league history. and let's not forget, Pau is a deserving HOFer and was a great number 2, but where TF is he without Kobe? is he comparable to D Wade, AD, Pippen, Kareem, McHale, hell Kobe, as a second best player?
Kobe’s argument for being Top 3 is soooo simple. He won five championships in the toughest conference ever, with 2 of those titles being won without another Top 75 player. He put together some of the greatest scoring seasons of all time, while making all defense teams in all of those seasons.
So glad you addressed his defense being overrated. People really think he’s sum top 10 defensive player when he’s barely even top 30 on that end
Kobe is easily top 10 on the defensive end as a guard.
@@colewrld901Early 2000s Kobe maybe. But during his overall peak, not even fucking close
@jblazephamtasmo8367 u gotta take the bias away fr
@@Abbad1579he was pretty damn elite from 2000 to 2009. After that yeah he started coasting on that end like Bron
@@lamajniltag747not bias. I watched him his whole career. Did he fall off towards end of the 2000s as a great defender? Yes. Was he great on that end for a decade before that? Yes. Yall think he was just ok on that end when he was elite for a while on that end
Kobe making 12 all defensive teams was popularity contest they robbed dwade and tony allen some of those. All he did was showboat guarding someone halfcourt he was never a lockdown defender, he was a lousy help defender and couldn't guard anyone in the post. Dwade never made 1st all defensive team because of him for crying out loud. I will also go to the extent that they robbed dwade of couple of 1st all nba teams favoring kobe post 2010 they even voted dwade as a point guard to the all nba team in '08-'10 even though he was the best shooting guard in the league from that point on just to keep kobe in there. Also kobe was never a talented shooter, after all the hardwork in the gym he only managed to be a slightly efficient than iverson. He has no business taking those many jumpshots he should've kept slashing to the rim like he did in the early 2000s until he became a lazy 1 on 1 scorer. If you say he took the most difficult shots that's on him. He took the hardest shots and rightfully missed a lot of them he also missed a lot of makeable shots anyway. He was also blessed to win those rings, when he got drafted he had shaq landing on his lap and when he demanded for a trade the lakers pulled off a heist by trading kwame brown for pau gasol. He wasn't the best player on his own team in the first 3 titles and when he tried to be the one they lost in 2004 against detroit when he was hogging the ball. He was great in '09. In 2010 he got bailed a lot by pau and artest and barely won the finals after his horrendous performance in the series when he only shot 40% field goal which is his worst output in a series since that 2004 finals. Post 2010 he had no business being 1st all nba or any all defensive player it was purely the reputation fueling him. Lastly, in his last 3 years when he was no longer athletic you thought he's gonna kill everyone purely with his skills but it turns out he was just clunking shots after shots he can't shoot and was no longer an nba player.
Kobes defenseive reputation needed to be addressed for SURE.
Yeah he definitely was not lockdown
Similar to Jeter in baseball
What needs to be addressed about it???
@michaelthomas1087 I think he's referring to how half of Kobe's all defensive awards were given to him in spite of his defensive play. More like awards he got based on name recognition and the city he played for.
He's top 4 in steals at this position and 16th all time. How the hell is his defense overrated?
I don't think there's enough evidence to say he's not top 5 🤷
I mean around 09-10 he was coasting lil bit on defense, but after 2010 he was costing full time, but in his prime in 03-08 he was a defensive monster
LOL his best defensive years were the 99-2000 and 2000-2001 seasons. Probably the only seasons he deserved any defensive team awards.
@@jacoblee5796any is crazy. He was EASILY the best perimeter defender in the early to mid 2000s and top 5 at his position in late 2000s. He’s one of the best ON BALL defenders for sure. 2008 redeem team proves it. Kobe even in his later years was one of the best on ball defenders. The problem with his is CHOOSES to save his energy for offense and he plays worse on defense because of that.
@@jacoblee5796MVP season easily, the best defensive 2guard.
Kobes peak is being a bit underated here. At his peak he was a great defender and a walking 30 ppg
And missing playoffs and blowing 3-1 leads until he got help
@@Guccimane0713what player has ever been able to do it consistently without help from a number two? Jordan and pippen, Klay and Steph, lebron and Kylie the list goes on and on. You just a hater 😂
@@tclfan0180 where’s a excuse for blowing a 3-1 lead?
@@Guccimane0713 shit happens, that’s the excuse
@@Guccimane0713 curry blew a 3-1 and he’s still top ten player and greatest shooter of all Time your point is irrelevant
Great video rip Kobe bean Bryant one of my favorite Kobe performances was that 61 game against the Knicks wow 🔥🔥
1. By 01 and 02, kobe was not carried. Ppl just look at finals stats, the western conference rounds matters as well
2. Kobe has a top 10 peak, dont care what nobody says
3. Every 2000s elite perimeter scorer is "inefficient" due to the lack of spacing and congestion that they faced. Kobe is not a shot chucker. He shoots to score and win games. For the elite 3 lvl scorer that he is, 45% is actually solid
Gotta disagree with your take on Kobe not being one of the great perimeter defenders to ever play. That's a ridiculous statement. The top 2 defenders of the 2000's were Tim Duncan at #1, and Kobe at #2. He didn't get his 1st-team All Defense selections in his prime years just because he was Kobe. If that truly was the case, then why hasn't Lebron made the All-Defensive team for years now just based off of his name? Kobe got those selections by forcing turnovers, blocking shots, forcing tough shots, etc. You can look at plays here and there where he gets beat on a play, or watches the ball too much, but those are isolated plays in long 82 game seasons, including playoffs. That's far from what happened most of the time. Everyone has those lowlights, including Duncan, and Garnett (the best rim protectors in the game at that time). MJ has those as well, and he's the GOAT. Also, keep in mind, Kobe played both ends of the floor at the highest level, and didn't miss many games at all. As for rim protectors being more valuable defenders, that's true from a team standpoint, but that doesn't make a rim protector the better defender. Rim protectors aren't usually guarding opponents in space, and they often have help defense, especially back before teams started to space the floor like Michael Irvins front teeth. The paint was usually clogged with 2 or 3 defenders by the time the opponent drove to the hoop.
He is In the 5-8 range. You can justify an argument in that range.
That’s the perfect range I got Kobe at 6 all time and his fanboys get mad when people don’t got him top 3 ever
@@chrisroberts8625 who would they remove? LeBron? Kareem?
6-9*
6-10*
@@chrisroberts8625That’s we’re I have him too. My list goes like this MJ, Bron, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, “Kobe”, Russell, Bird, Shaq, Curry/Hakeem
As a Die hard kobe fan, I see no lies told in this video. Kobe is my goat but I'm fine when people rank him as top 10. Outside top 10 is when I start gettin mad
Damn right!!! I'm a Kobe Bryant fan myself, but the disrespect needs to stop. The nigga is in the f-ing hall of fame damnit!!!!
The only thing I disagree with is him saying Kobe’s peak is overrated
“If Kobe Bryant were to have retired in 2008 or 2009, I don’t think anyone is putting him in Top 5 discussions, maybe even Top 10” is crazy when there are literally mountains of quotes from players, coaches, GM’s, and analysts saying Kobe was “Only behind Mike”, “Top 5”, etc. All it takes is a simple search lmao. You could argue Kobe’s years after that Achilles injury is what helped to push the narrative that he isn’t Top 10.
Who cares about what players rank their fave players? Dr J just recently named his top 10, Kobe wasn't on it. Should we take that to the bank? Come up with your opinions and do your own research with fact checking.
@@QuestionEverything562 I said players, coaches, and GMs. How are you going to say do my own research with fact checking when I just stated the facts? Lol it’s crazy you’re assuming people would say that only because Kobe was a favorite of theirs. They could have been being objective. It’s not like his game doesn’t speak for itself. I’m pointing out that Mustard was wrong to say that because in his prime, plenty of people were already saying he was Top 2, Top 5, Top 10, etc.
@@pimpinb11 They weren't being objective, just trying to push the next MJ narrative that the NBA needed. He's not top 5 all-time, he's barely top 10. And I asked you a question, does others' opinions matter than your own eye test of Kobe?
@@QuestionEverything562 So you’re basically just pushing your own feelings bro. Can’t say they aren’t being objective just because you don’t believe he’s not Top 5/Top 10. That’s an opinion. Kobe in my eyes is Top 10 easily.
@@pimpinb11 What is your own personal case for Kobe being top 5?
Okay here's some things that need to be talked about, when bron, bird, curry were at there peek they had all time great teams to point were they were able to play better offensively and defensively.
Kobe 05-07 didn't have that luxury he had the team that he had in the 2000, he would be far more efficient and better defensively.
2000-03 Kobe is arguably the second greatest defensive guard of all time, Kobe in 08-10 was elite defensively as well infact in 08 he was top 5 in the dpoy race. This was a older less athletic Kobe who still had to carry alot offensively.
Other than that I agree and like the video
Bro, do you even know anything about the NBA pre-2000s? Do you know who Michael Cooper, Sidney Moncrief, and Alvin Robertson were? These guys were all defensively better than Kobe career and peak wise. Tony Allen's peak defense is better than Kobe's. Kobe's two best defensive seasons were 1999-00 when he shot less than Shaq and 2000-01. Those were his only elite seasons on the defensive end. From 04 to 09, then 2011 to 2013, he was an average level defender. He showed some great defense in 2010, that team altogether was defensively sound. Mid 2000s Kobe defense was meh.
@QuestionEverything562 It's easy to be a better defensive player whn you are specialist defensively or a role player.
When Kobe didn't need to focus mush offensively he was the best defender in his position, 2000-03 Kobe is up there right with them, even 08 Kobe was all time defensively he was the leader of that 08 Olympic defensively.
Although I do agree those guys are better defensively it's easier for them because they have less responsibility overall :)
@QuestionEverything562 the problem with Kobe defensively was his motor/effort, when he wanted to play defense he was elite.
We say the exact same thing for Bron and even karrem yet they get some slack but not Kobe.
Even though Kobe consistently lead his team in steels while being a top 5 sometimes the best on ball defender in the league.
It's very rare to see a guard be dominant 24/7 offensively and defensively while having a trash team, you can only do that if you're an extreme athlete which Kobe isn't compared to MJ or KG.
However when he didn't have help offensively or defensively he can be the best defender on a championship team.
That to me is elite if not all time.
@@randomperson2540 Kobe was only defensively elite in 4 seasons of his 17 healthy years. MJ was the best defensive SG in the 90s, while being the best offensive player in the 90s as well.
@@randomperson2540 Kobe often slept on perimeter shooters like Allen, Peja, Reggie, Mike Miller, Raja Bell, etcetera. I saw it many times, his defensive awareness was not that dialed in. He was not a great ball thief despite often looking for the gamble play where he left his feet. Tony Allen, Bruce Bowen, Artest, Battier were all better defenders than Kobe during his era. Also, where was Kobe in the 06' playoffs defensively? Why didn't the supposed best perimeter defender 1st team defender guard the smaller and slower MVP in the 2006 and 2007 playoffs?
to clarify something here, kobe wasn't simply top 5 to 10, by 01 he was already consensus top 3, a lot of people felt like he was the best in the world simply based off what he did in the western conference bracket, on the road to the finals in 01 he was clearly the best and many... albeit not the majority felt like he was already the best
I still believe Kobe is a top 5 or 3’player base off of what I’ve seen him do on both sides of the ball, The media came up with that narrative that Kobe was inefficient, One thing is for sure we all always learn something new about a player no matter how long they played, Their are many channels that debunk a lot of Kobe narratives and showing only one video of someone blowing past him is one thing but all in all cool
Most missed shots in NBA history, he WAS inefficient. People will ALWAYS overate Kobe.
Shoot I’d even give Allen Iverson a pass for being an inefficient scorer because he was 5’11” playing in a deadball era where it was more difficult to score. Dude had to get around 6 and 7-footers to get to the basket and there wasn’t much spacing at the time to help him out. Add to the fact that he was the only scoring option on his team for most of his career. His shooting percentage actually got better when he joined the Nuggets and had Melo on his side.
I still think Kobe deserved to be in the all nba second team defense from 07-12 for sure. Not saying much but he deserves to be in that class. And with all the teams he made is an accomplishment
I recently came across your video discussing Kobe Bryant's career, specifically focusing on his offensive efficiency and the perception of him being carried. I appreciate the thought-provoking points you made in your video, but I wanted to address one aspect where I respectfully disagree: Kobe Bryant's defensive abilities.
In my view, Kobe was far from being overrated defensively. Throughout his career, Kobe was known for taking great pride in his defensive skills and actively sought out the challenge of guarding the opposing team's most potent offensive threats. He fully embraced the role of being a stopper and relished the opportunity to go head-to-head against the best players in the league. So I call cap my guy on this assessment lol!
While it is true that even the greatest defenders have their flaws, it's important to acknowledge that defending exceptional offensive players is a challenging task. They will inevitably score and occasionally embarrass even the most proficient defenders. However, Kobe always accepted this challenge and never shied away from it.
To illustrate this point further, let's consider other renowned defenders. Michael Jordan, for example, had difficulties defending smaller guards, while LeBron James has occasionally lost focus or been caught out of position when defending off the ball. Even Tim Duncan, who was an outstanding defender overall, had instances where opponents could exploit him in pick-and-roll situations. Every player, regardless of their defensive prowess, has weaknesses. Wade had some difficulty defending against three-point shooters. He occasionally struggled to close out effectively on perimeter shooters, leaving them open for uncontested shots.
Moreover, I understand that videos can be curated to push a particular narrative. If one were to compile clips of defensive errors, it would be possible to create a misleading portrayal of any player's defensive capabilities. It's essential to take a holistic view and appreciate the overall impact Kobe had on the defensive end.
Lastly, I must emphasize Kobe’s unparalleled work ethic and his unwavering commitment to the game. Throughout his career, he faced numerous injuries that would have sidelined many other players. These include multiple ankle injuries, finger injuries, knee problems, a devastating Achilles tendon tear, a knee fracture, and shoulder injuries. Despite these setbacks, Kobe consistently displayed remarkable resilience, often playing through pain, and never compromising his contributions on both ends of the court. I wanted to express my admiration for KB’s defensive abilities and his extraordinary work ethic. His dedication to continuously challenge himself and put his body through immense strain sets him apart as one of the all-time greats. I value the opportunity to share alternative perspectives and engage in discussions about the game we love.
Peace!!
U should've made the video. This guy has good points but wow was he odd the mark on kbs def
Kobe was insanely overrated defensively, just stop. He should not have all those defensive team awards. Kobe rarely ever guarded the opposing teams best player.
Starting in around 04-05 Kobe's defense fell off a cliff, he did not play good sound defense. Phil Jackson even called this out in his book.
@@jacoblee5796 Opinions on individual players and their defensive abilities can vary, and it's natural for people to have differing perspectives. However, it's important to acknowledge that Kobe Bryant, a highly accomplished and respected player, was widely recognized for his defensive skills throughout his career. He was named to the NBA All-Defensive Team numerous times, indicating recognition from coaches and peers for his defensive contributions.
While it is true that guarding the opposing team's best player is not solely indicative of defensive prowess, it is worth noting that Kobe often embraced challenging defensive assignments against star players. Additionally, his defensive impact extended beyond individual matchups, including his ability to disrupt passing lanes, provide help defense, and generate steals.
I wanted to watch some mustard, I wanted to hear some Kobe... I just didn't wanna hear Kobe get disrespected. You succeeded at all those things. I've just been a huge fan of the tough shot making and clutch scoring since I was a kid and someone who was very high on Kobe.. before he passed. Basketball legend. 5 championships on a shot diet you had to see to believe. resilient scorer in any game or circumstance.
For him being my favorites player ever its crazy how people still dog him to this day like he wasn't that guy thin when he passed its "OOOOOOO he's the 🐐 now" like stop the BS and keep the same energy. Ever since when he was getting older & retired MFs us to get on my nerves when they us to talk shit about him but after a few years and now i dont give 2 f***s what you have to say about him. All i knew was he could play both ends of the floor and im not saying he was the best defender but he was the guy that was going to guard your best player. Score lights out and do anything it took to win at the end of the day......Really enjoying the video and keep them coming!!!!!💯🎯🐍🔥🧠
I don’t get how I’m one point you can say Kobe played in the dead ball era, which may have been the reason he efficiency was off, to say that he didn’t have a peak as high as the other all time greats. Kobe was the best player of his generation and if he played in another era, his peak would have been even higher.
Mustard is flat out wrong. kobe's peak from 06 to 2010 was insane. Beat the most 50 win teams in nba history, in the hardest era of the west.
@@colewrld901So?
@@Abbad1579what do u mean so? That's an insane peak. He was great enough to beat all those amazing teams and win rings in that insane west. If that's not a testament to his greatness, then nothing will impress u
@@colewrld901 you could even argue that his 2003 season was just as good or even better than any other player, considering how slow the game was. 9 straight games with 40 still blows my mind when playing in that era.
He was most certainly NOT the best player of his generation.
This video is amazing. I wasn’t sure if this was gonna be positive, negative or both. And it turned out to be both which is perfect because people love to overrate or underrate Kobe for agendas. I agree with literally every point.
Kobe Bryant is my favorite player but he's (2 )behind M.J (1)
🤡🤡🤡🤡
I agree I think Kobe is either overrated or overhated, Kobe is definitely a top 10 player of all time tho that part is undisputable but also putting him higher than 5 is definitely overrating him, he’s on the same level as Tim Duncan, another polarizing player, his defense bring a little overrated was a good point too, people need to understand putting players over Kobe isn’t disrespectful especially if the players are MJ, LeBron, Magic, Karim and MAYBE Tim Duncan
The overhated thing mainly is because his fans are the most toxic fanbase in basketball history.
@@hankyang2182not even close that would be Lebron and curry fans
@@kgb4756 That’s not true. Only Kobe fans would make a story and keep saying he’s a KILLER even his clutch shot FG is one of the worst in terms of taking that much. Not to mention since he passed away, Kobe fans try their best to push him into higher ranking of All-Time. If people view him a little bit lower than they thought. They would call them so disrespectful. Kobe Bryant is not even the top players in Lakers history.
But in terms of fanbase power ranking, that’s definately number 1 for sure.
@@kgb4756 Ha! They are as bad as each other, but atleast true LeBron fans wept and paid respect when Mamba retired… well never forget his final game 😭
@@kgb4756bron fans and Kobe fans have major toxicity
love the new thumbnail layouts keep up the great work Brodie!!!
IMO Kobe all time is only overrated when his Stan’s try to say he’s over a Bron all time which is a convo he DOES NOT win and that’s okay his Stan’s need to realize that
Oh my another MOBRON!
Kobe was definitely more skilled of a player, bron might be more impactful but his game definitely wasnt as pure as kobes, idgaf what a stat say
@@Dgotitmadeno
I really hate when people say Kobe is better than LeBron. That's such a unserious and dumb take
Efficiency is what’s ruining basketball real hoopers don’t care about that NBA changes back than in 2000s was harder to score
I was with your vid boii into u try to play a Great player like A.I who never had a ShaQ as inefficient 👀👀👀
Great video. You defended my boy and still criticized him fairly. This is what basketball talk should be. No agendas be fair, hold every player in the upper echelon to the same standards. Salute to you for not popularizing Kobe hate. Long Live Bean🐍🐍🐍
Kobe won back to back championships with no top 75 help on his team. This GOAT achievement might never happen again.
Pau should’ve been top 75
Top 75 players means nothing. Not to mention he stole Pau Gasol’s FMVP.
And Whatever, you should know Kobe Bryant is the lowest efficient player of the Top 15 of All-Time. Don't try to put him to compare other random players and call it "That's good enough."
Kobe fans love to use the quoet "Give me 06 Kobe. He build different." That's sounds super awkward. He's not that great. He'a just not. That year is his best year in terms of BPM, PER and other advantaged stats. But that still so mid compare to other All Time players. Not to mention he take too many shots and call his teamates trash around that time. Stop acting like these things never happend.
By the way, kobe fans love to use the "The stats doesn't matter" card to run away the fact. Please don't do it. That is a fact. Kobe Bryant is the most inefficient player compare to other Top 15 All-Time players.
The top 75 argument is so bs, why not just look at the players who are actually on his team instead of looking at lifetime achievement awards? Because you want to remove context
The 25 they added to the 50 is bullshit. How they leave D12 off the list? Mother fcuker was a 3x consequtive DPOY and made a trip to the Finals. What the fcuk has Dame done 😂
Top 75 not accurate but I get ya point
Wing defenders can help big defenders. That’s a huge reason the 90’s Bulls were able to dominate without ever having a great center. You think Luc Longley could just handle Shaq on his own? So yes a guard can definitely be the most valuable defensive player on the floor.
Dennis Rodman ?
What you'd say would make sense if the bulls didn't have like 5 great defenders all at once with 3 being dpoy candidate. And I think three being able to guard big men, so not only could they lock you down, they were also versatile as well.
@@donaldf9055 Firstly, there was a whole 3 peat before the 2nd 3 peat. They had Bill Cartwright as their center and their two best defenders were primarily perimeter defenders. I'll say it again, the perimeter defender can easily help the big man. There's video of Jordan blocking Robert Parrish, Patrick Ewing and other bigs from the blind side. There's a reason he has the most blocks for a guard. If you have excellent perimeter guys you can take a less talented big body and still defend the inside well. It's not rocket science.
@@Taj_Rahine they can be as valuable but not more valuable
@@donaldf9055 So you're saying in 1991 Bill Cartwright was a more valuable defender than Michael Jordan? Even when Jordan averaged over twice as many blocks and over 10 times more steals per game?
Hardly any player has been so good for so long as Kobe. From 2001-2013 Kobe was a top 3 player every season. And top 2 for 10 years straight. I'd take that Kobe over anybody not named Jordan.
He would have an off night from time to time but him being inefficient was always baffling to me. A card haters pull out when they want to critisize Kobe. The man really shot above league average true shooting percentage every year of his prime 2000-2013 while scoring way more than league average. Even if you want to compare purely FG%: Look at Kobe and Lebron ("the efficient player") shot attempts and makes per game for their career - it's about 1 shot difference, yet Kobe relied way more on outside shooting. Kobe's mid range percentage, anywhere from 3-25 feet, blows out Lebron's percentage, who gets most of his points on layups and dunks.
Mamba Forever
who cares if the points are from a tough shot or a layup/dunk??? A bucket is still a bucket no matter what 😭 it’s crazy to prop up kobe’s longevity and diminish lebrons, yet lebron was the undisputed #1 player from 2012-2018, and even from 2007-2020, he’s in those top 3, top 2, and even still top 1 convos.
You don’t have to disrespect bron just to prop up kobe, the level of hating is getting weird
@damn4492 I'm not hating on LeBron. I'm just saying he gets called so efficient while Kobe is called inefficient by some but their fg attempts and makes aren't that different.
Your comments show why people always think Kobe fans are the most toxic fanbase in basketball history. Who care about those fadeway.
LOL Whatever, you should know Kobe Bryant is the lowest efficient player of the Top 15 of All-Time. Don't try to put him to compare other random players and call it "That's good enough."
Kobe fans love to use the quoet "Give me 06 Kobe. He build different." That's sounds super awkward. He's not that great. He'a just not. That year is his best year in terms of BPM, PER and other advantaged stats. But that still so mid compare to other All Time players. Not to mention he take too many shots and call his teamates trash around that time. Stop acting like these things never happend.
By the way, kobe fans love to use the "The stats doesn't matter" card to run away the fact. Please don't do it. That is a fact. Kobe Bryant is the most inefficient player compare to other Top 15 All-Time players.
I’m with you Kobe’s defense is underrated imo if you’re 2nd all time idk what else to say. Of course phil would say something he wrote books on the man lol. Kobe’s defense was always better than say a Kirk Hinrich In 06/07. (All D 2nd team) So idk why people think it’s “cool” to get on Kobe. I think Kobe’s peak was 05-06 to 2010 and each year was a MJ like year especially if you look at his 2pt and ft %. 👌🏻
01-13 his EFG and ts % was MJ like (minus 04, 12) with some maybe closer to wade prime years like in that 13 year time period.
Kobe and Timmy d both have a career ts% at 55% nobody calls Tim inefficient 🤷🏼♂️ don’t get it. Cuz it’s not true lol. Kobe is top 5 period. 3 peat. & winning an mvp and 2x scoring titles and 3x finals & 2x finals MVPs. End of argument. “Mamba out”.
Saying kobe over lebron is just an emotional comment at this point, lebron is so clearly better
Happy Birthday, R.i.p. 🙏 Kobe. Still can't believe your gone.
Kobe has to be one of the most disrespected players in the top 10.
*LeBron has entered the chat*
😂
Sorry but Kobe was an elite defender. You just haven't watched 98% of his games in full. I know and watched since 96 till the end in 2016. He just lay low in 2012. So for 14 yrs from 98-2012 he did locked down Guards- small forwards specially if it's an all star. He loves to blocked perimeter shots l, if the player he guarded was a strong or taller than him he would just simply out smart him, by blocking him from the side or back. He loves those in your face blocks in transition unlike the le flop. His timing is not as the casual dum dum defensive players, he plays the passing lanes 40% of the game. He got active hands not as strong as Mike or Artest but good enough to swipe his opponents clean. Effeciency? This is made up by dorks, nerds and le floppy fans. Of course Kobe played in a physical Defensove Zoned ERA OF nBA..he was 3ple or quadruple teamed hundreds of times from 2002-2012. In the perimeter, low block, 3 point area or even just positioning to catch a ball. He still averaged 35.4 pts in a yr in that era. Kobe is a top 3 NBA great of all time. Unlike Le flop who's not even a top 12 NBA great kobe is also the most Hated by Media NBa great of all time. I can see lots of Mobrons and Le Tards love Kobe to be discredited. And I know that there are about 30+ in the comment section alone.
Nobody said he wasnt an elite defender u goofy... hes just overrated on defense thats all. Get off Kobe's dicc.
This thumbnail you got is fire af man
People just need to admit their bias. Kobe is the second best Shooting guard. He's not top three and he isn't outside the top ten. People either rip him to prop up their favorite or embellish to put him up there with Jordan. I had Wade as better than him about ten years ago on the all time list, but I am a Heat fan. I knew I was making the homer pick. Guy did so much for the NBA, man was a worker and helped a lot of young players. Much respect
Idiot alert hahaha
I disagree he was a great defensive player who moved his puppies. He would pick up full court which consumes a lot of energy. But most importantly he did have more responsibility by doing it on both ends of the court. And Kobe’s first two years and his last three years hurt his shooting percentage. Which his first two years he didn’t play much and his last three years he was coming off a Achilles tear. And the 2000s were the hardest era of basketball 🏀 with a average scoring was 96 points. Again Kobe learned how to move his puppies from the Glove.
Dreamerspro needs to react to this😂😂😂
Shaq didnt "carry" Kobe. But he was the best player... Period
The thing with effenciency is I think the younger generation don't realise (because they weren't there) iverson and Rose's MVP. I can't even be bothered to explain why it's dumb to underrate them
I don’t agree with the defensive comments, Phil Jackson, used to often make comments against Kobe Bryant, even when he was coaching him that was not totally accurate. I’ve been watching the NBA since the late 60s. And for those eras playing on Ball, Defense was more difficult than it is today
Phil was spot on with his comments about Kobe's defense. Kobe was not a good team defender and would often go way out of pocket on defense, causing bad switches that put his teammates in bad positions defensively. Kobe would also show very little interest in the defensive side of the ball at times. People would make excuses for him and say he was saving his energy for offense. Which is fine and maybe true but bottom line Kobe shouldn't have all those defensive team awards. Kobe was widely overrated on defense.
Let's be real, he wasn't getting top 5 or 10 consideration until he died. I call that the Kurt Cobain Effect.
Are you high. He was always considered the closest thing to Jordan until the stat sheet king decided to pad his stats
@@codystaggs6858 facts
You are mentally ill.
They still have clips from when he was still playing with espn and tnt debating whether he passed jordan. You tube can be your friend bro.
Why do people think “killer instinct” is just grinning your teeth and diminishing your teammates. Makes for a “cool” story or mentality for casuals I guess tho
We literally saw the killer instinct a million times with kobe. So many clutch shots and game winners. Beat the most 50 win teams in nba history in the tough west. Lol u act like kobe was demar derozen or sum when it came to killer instinct
@@colewrld901Bron has it then if anything , according to the numbers LeBron is the most clutch player in NBA history.
@@colewrld901Check the stats. That’s a shame you don’t know Kobe also being so inefficient in clutch time. The media always overhype him.😂 Please don’t use the “But the stats means nothing. He’s a killer” card. Because the stats means a lot, that show you guys Kobe fans cannot make a story to act like he’s a clutch player.
@@PrettyRxccylmao please.
.fake king...built super teams only respectable chip is the Cleveland one
@@rabbitsfoot8 Doesn’t matter how you win as long as you do it within the rules. LeBron is the only profesional athlete to win 4 championships, 4 FMVP’s on three different teams/franchises in the history of professional sports. Nothing haters say will change that fact. Cope 😂
Idk if you just trying to fish for views but bro if you look up best defensive Shooting Guards of all time there are articles left and right saying hes up there behind mj
Great video!
The efficiency argument is the hards one to accept. There are players that have played 15-20 years and still shot 47-50% from the field. The fact they were able to maintain such great efficiency goes greatly against his argument for Kobe.
(Kobe never shot above 46% for a season)
Players that shot at least 47% from the field for a career over 15-20 years
(I’ve select players from different positions and play styles)
MJ
Durant
LeBron
Drexler
Steve Nash
(The NBA ideal shooting efficiency is 50/40/90, the closer a player comes to those numbers the better)
Kobe: 45/33/84 *numbers rounded to nearest*
I like Kobe, I think he’s a too 10 player all time, so this is not hate just facts
I thought this video was really great. I love how we touched on both negative and positive things that are lies about Kobe. Especially his defense being overrated, but this video was very balanced and it was just an honest video. Keep up the awesome work!
Kobe’s defense isn’t overrated
@@ChiefOttoSoit is tho
@@brandenwebb6232 cap
This video has several flaws and poorly argued points. So instead of using Defensive WIn Shares, or defensive +/-, you cherry pick a bunch of plays among a massive sample size of 82 games x 2004 - 2013, and cherry pick a quote by Phil Jackson, when the fact is the NBA ALL DEFENSE TEAM is voted on by NBA COACHES who watch film and they have as great an understanding of who is genuinely good defensively and who isn't. NBA coaches voted Kobe All NBA Defense 12 times NOT journalists "voting on reputation" like it is now. Overrated defensively? By THAT standard Lebron is the most overrated defender in NBA history. Dude has been playing bad defense 80% of his career and still, somehow, got 6 all nba defense teams off of chase down block highlights. Also Peak Kobe is better and higher than peak Lebron. You don't even make an argument, analytical or otherwise, other than cherry pick one Phil Jackson quote, and cherry pick a few bad defensive plays.
Fact is ALL NBA players have moments like these, including MJ. Fact is Kobe's peak was higher than Lebron's peak, so stop pretending like it's a "fact" that peak Lebron is higher than peak Kobe. Kobe is better than Lebron, period. And unlike Lebron, he doesn't take EPO.
The year Kobe dropped 36ppg is the greatest scoring season in NBA history.
Hes the best ever my guy he beat the best competition period
Jordan got to chill while harper and pippen did all the work while he got to gamble on steals😂
Ability and skill wise, kobe has a good argument of being the best of all time
Lol negative.
Nope
Don’t be silly 😁
Unfortunately for you and Kobe, offensive skill sets are always on the lower end of the greatness criteria of a player's career in totality. Kyrie is arguably the most offensively skilled player ever, yet is nowhere near a top 50 all-time player. Skills are nowhere near the ability to impact success on a team.
Everyone in the comments talking crazy y'all act like y'all can do better what Kobe did including this RUclips channel SMH
Thank u for vid
When people bring up Kobe and efficiency neither side can actually provide a solid statistical argument. Naysayers bring up FG% which historically is low, but doesn’t give proper context to the league. Fanboys like to bring in TS%. Unfortunately Kobe’s TS% rises and falls heavily with FTA cause people for some reason forget that 2 FT’s made are weighted heavier than a layup made. Go cora-late the slide on 13:20 with FTA you’ll see +/- go up a lot when he’s 6+ FTAg. EFG% really to me shows where Kobe was as a guy shooting from the field cause it reflects league shot selection year to year and takes the whistle out of the compilation. Kobe from 1996-1997 to 2012-2013 pretty much within + or - 1% for league avg EFG% every year. So Kobe wasn’t efficient and he wasn’t inefficient. He was league average.
Honestly though I think Kobe was a great player, but 3 things keep him out of the top 10 to me. 2004 finals, 2006 game 7 1st round, and 2008 finals. I’m not sure any single top 20 guy has anything quite as self inflicted as those three moments. 2004 is a more embarrassing performance than Magic Johnson 1983, Lebron James 2011, or Curry 2016. At least they got beat by a teams that had a top 50 all time player. 2006, I do not want to here about Kobe telling the lakers he needed help. In 2 years then went from old and outdated to a young rising team that should have beaten phoenix. In stead you get a glorified tantrum cause Kobe doesn’t like the narrative. 2008 was honestly crap he allowed boston to put him on a island and take a lot of ridiculous contested jumper. What was funny in 2010 he actually shot more, but it worked better cause he allowed the team and coaching to get him better open looks instead of idiotically trying to force everything.
Then what even is your top 10?
@@chilldoc9638 Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Russell, and Curry. I’ve got Dr. J and West also ahead of Kobe.
👏🏾
@@kayamerrick3907 You know saying clap doesn’t actually say or prove anything right?
Agreed, his fanbase always tries to gloss over his big chokes in 2004 and 2008. I think LeBron's 2011 choke is still worst, but Kobe's 2004 Finals performance is the definition of a player costing his team any chance of winning with his selfishness. He was so content on gunning for that elusive Finals MVP. Also, in the history of the NBA, I don't think any player has been bailed out more in the clutch in the playoffs than one Kobe Bryant. I have seen so many role players catch or rebound his crappy misses and put them back ftw. Shaw, Horry, Fisher, Gasol, Artest have all made big shots for him right after he missed the potential game winner in the playoffs.
Shaq only won with Kobe and Dwayne Wade. Two of the best Guards of All time. Shaq isn’t winning anything with just any regular guards
Kobe was a top 5-10 defender
Kobe being an elite player, and the fact that other elite players shot better than 50% many times in the era kobe played, using that league average or grading his efficiency relative to era is flawed. Kobe being the best tough shotmaker in history should not be championed as that is exactly what held him back and resulted in him never shooting over 47%. AI was simply just MORE INEFFICIENT than kobe. stop lowering the bar for kobe when it comes to his efficiency. THE MAN WAS INEFFICIENT.
I completely agree with! Why are we lowering the bar for Kobe, is Kobe an average player?
I honestly disagree with you in that Kobe wasn't in the level of bird or magic in his prime. I think he was very much up there with those players.
If you ask older lakers fans who watched both magic and Kobe a lot will say Kobe was the greatest laker. That alone tells you they were on similar levels.
The fact that its a question is he on those guys level is ridiculous, kobe woulda killed them if he woulda played in the 80s, its not nobody that ever lived that was onna “different level” then kobe”
@@sarcasm3605greater doesn't mean better
@@chilldoc9638 that doesn’t apply for this scenario, the difference between those two connotations is not as large as you’re trying to make it
How the hell could anyone have Kobe ranked over Shaq? Facts don’t care about feelings. If he was so great, there’s no way Shaq would’ve gotten not one… not two… but 3FMVPS.. Shaq leaves what happens? A 38 win season… he was trash til Pau came and saved the day. Let’s be realistic
I definetly wouldn't say Lebron had a better Peak than Kobe and definetly not Curry
Both of them have multiple mvps u sound stupid how did Kobe have a better peak then back to back mvps
only Shaq + Kobe >> Mike + Pippen + Rodman !!!
kobe's defense was never overated, people just compared him to other types of player like apples to oranges. not to mention the fact that every great nba player's defense falls off in their later years, it's a given, you can find numerous clips of lebron, or wade, or even MJ falling asleep on their man. it happens to everyone.
I am blown away by apologist in the comments actually saying the man was efficient. lol like what??? using league average and different percentages to find clever ways to sidestep the fact that he was inefficient. Its really simple by using fg%. Kobe is an elite player so he needs to be judged by that standard and by that standard he was not efficient. The man has held the record for most missed shots ever for a while. He has shot lower than 45% in 6 of 7 of his nba finals. yes slightly below 50%fg is not really inefficient but like i said he is Elite so judging by that he was very inefficient and he couldve been so much more inefficient if he didnt hijacked the teams offense, take on double and triple teams and take terrible/tough shots. He never shot 47% in a season even when he played with SHAQ. meaning not getting doubled and tripled. so please stop talking nonsense
I'm sorry but Kobe was inefficient. 45% is still more missed shots than you make. I'm not calling that efficient even if it is better than the league average. That just means the league average is shit
7:00 it shows you never watched basketball back then. kobe is top 10 all time defense and top 5 guard defense. lmao phil always said those things to do mind games. you are 100 stat guys who never played basketball lmaooooo
"Kobe is a better defender than Tim Duncan" is f'ckin absurd
Young fella I get it another Lebron channel. But I'm not one sided. I like to hear different opinions. I'll still take prime Kobe or Dwade over Lebron . ✔ Laker4life
😂😂😂 hate is strong drug
In your mind, most of youtube channel are LeBron channel. Because yiu keeping lying to yourself. Nobody take you serious, Kobe and Wade are just not that great. You don’t have ball take stats here make some logic statement. Your statement just like your friend told you Jeremy Lin is better than Kobe, fake Lakers fan. Go to count how many brick did he make in those clutch games. Yoh don’t know how to watch basketball. Bu the way, Kobe was turnover machine compare to other top 15 all star, you should know that he’s not even a good playmaker.
Mamba black 💜💛🐍. Si me legends Kobe Bean Bryant 🐍💛💜🙏
A lot of y’all are corny and don’t know anything about on ball defense. What James Harden does is coast. Lebron doesn’t step up to take on the number one scorer and no one is afraid of Lebron guarding them and that’s sad.
All you said doesn’t make any sense, Kobe stan, you know players don’t afraid of Kobe Bryant, right? You don’t have balls to use stats to support any logic starement. Kobe is so ineffective and not a clutch players and he’s also worse than LeBron in most of categories if you check the stats and really know how to play basketball. Those stupid jumpshota from Kobe is so lame. He’s not even close to LeBron, go to watch the games, instead of making stories.
What's the outro music?
Did you know that peak Kobe is a top 3 scorer of all time? Did you know that the later peak of Kobe is damn near very great (08-10) when he faced 11 50-win teams. Imagine facing 2 8 seeds that won 50 games in the first round? There's a reason why people compare Kobe's peak to MJ's peak. The peak part is very wrong. Because if Kobe retired in '08, yes he wont be regarded as a top 10 player, because he was like Harden who scores much but doesn't translate to winning --- HOWEVER ---- 05-07- his ultimate peak, HE DIDN'T HAVE ANY HELP AT ALL. By the way in 05, they were right in the mix of the playoff hunt, but when Kobe got injured, that's when they fell out of the playoff picture. But what made Kobe's peak so impressive especially in the 08-10 season is that HE ONLY NEEDED 1 ALL STAR, and that started their dominance aka a mini-dynasty.
Think about it
-How many players do you know right esp in the top 10, who only had one all star by his team and a bunch of quality players, that beat 11 50 win teams in a 3 year run, and won back to back? MJ? Well he had Pippen and you can't tell me Gasol was better than Pippen ey? Yes in the last 2 championships Pippen sucked, but the first 4, he was better than Pau.
The fact is Kobe's peak is vastly underrated because we only think of it as him leading the league in scoring without translating it to wins, but in reality, at the time of his ultimate prime, HE HAD NO HELP!
You can do better than that @Yung Mustard. You mentioned that Kobe's peak was overrated without backing up any context to it, you just mentioned players names etc.
You tried, but you lied.
Kobe played pretty good on ball defense for a guy who carried a heavy load offensively. You know damn well guys like Iverson, McGrady, Vince Carter, Melo, Durant, Curry etc, were not playing D like that. A lot of the players who are considered the greatest defensive players of all time didn’t need to score a ton like Kobe and Jordan had to.
Heavy load is crazy
Shooting percentage is the most overblown stat. DeAndre Jordan has the highest shooting percentage ever. What did that get him?
Has no case for top 5.
Name of outro song?
No1 has an agenda. All ppl think is if you had one of the most dominant centers of all time in the game period it becomes a bit easier. Tmac Vince lillard AI Jason Kidd I can go on forever how much pressure does that take of you. Even to know if your assignment blows by you he still has Shaq to run into. Come maybe you’ve never played ball but when your tired and on offensive you throw the ball into Shaq and get a breather. Just present the stats without a bias. Cuz what happened in pistons lakers series? That was Kobe team. Came up short.just facts. It’s not a childish argument it’s just a question how well will he preform with the hall of fame centers??? Dwight Howard pau n Shaq. Be honest how would Reggie Miller do with that support. How would Gilbert arenas do with a hof centre. How would Devin booker play with a prime Hakeem or David Robinson. It’s the same thing ppl say about coaches. Would Jordan win without phil Jackson. Of course he would. Would kobe or steph win without coaches. Of course they would. It takes away from the player. So you can’t look at Shaq like a Shawn Bradley or something
Solid video. Just wanna push back on Kobe's defense. Your main supporting point was Coach Phil Jackson's statement about Kobe in 2011, which is already Kobe's 15th year in the league. Granted he just won his final championship in 2010, but to expect him to still be the same dog defesively as he is in his earlier years is asking for too much. But for sure, you know he can and will step up to the defensive assignment if needed, cuz that's the type of player he is, and that's the type of mindset he has.
So no, he is not overrated defensively. In fact, he's elite, period.
Kobe was insanely overrated defensively, just stop. There is a reason his advanced defensive stats are a joke, there's a reason he has a negative defensive box +/- for his career.
@@jacoblee5796 But there's the eye test as well. You know for sure whoever Kobe is guarding is going to have a hard time, especially if he's locked in. You don't get that many all nba defensive teams and all nba 1st defensive teams just being good: he's top tier defensively.
So yeah say he's overrated, but just as the eye test and accolades don't tell everything about a player's defensive prowess, so does those stats and metrics you mentioned.
@@EdbergTan Eye test says Kobe is overrated defensively. Early in his career he was a very solid defender but starting around 04-05 he wasn’t playing sound fundamental team defense. Basketball is a 5 on 5 team sport, it isn’t 1 v 1. Kobe would chase the ball around the court forcing switches and putting his teammates in bad positions defensively. That’s why he has a negative defensive box +\- for his career.
There was also times were Kobe wasn’t really playing defense at all and people would make excuses like he was saving his energy for offense. Which is fine but then he shouldn’t have been getting first team defensive awards.
@@jacoblee5796Well if the eye test is wrong, them all those eyes that gave him those all defensive selections might be wrong; that's a lot of eyes.
There's videos of Kobe stopping one of the best ball handlers in NBA history in Kyrie 1v1, stripping Wade 1v1 off the ball after a full court press, guarding and blocking Lebron 1v1. Who you got that can stop all 3 guys?
And yes 04 05 was when Lakers started to decline and be a pretty bad team. Who can you name in those teams that were solid defensively? And if your point is that Kobe is overrated in team defense, not 1v1 defense: is the TEAM sound defensively? Was Kobe ever considered a defensive liability on his team?
What is the outro song
kobe is my top 12 for sure and this dude was great
There is a very telling stat when it comes to the Laker's Kobe and Shaq years. Without Shaq in the lineup the Lakers win % plummets, without Kobe in the line up the Laker's win % goes up. Shaq was far more important to those Laker's teams, its not even close and yes, you plug any great SG into that system and they probably win more. Kobe's insane ego kept them from winning in 04.
Yeah. It was insane hearing that. Wade literally won with a worse Shaq too. So of course he wouldve won with those Lakers too
Sorry if that’s the case mj is overrated defender he wasn’t even the best defender on his team and he got the award but I’ll say this mj was better off ball proven steals leader but on ball no
Basketball is definitely not a game of height. Good vid though
you saying peak kobe isnt top five you saying cut his 20 year career to a 12 13 year career he woudnt be as great when everyone in your top played 15+ guaranteed kobe at his peak could give you 50 a game and have your best permitter player shooting inefficient
We have plenty of examples of dudes having worse stats in the regular season and going on to have their best playoff runs. Lebron 2016, Curry 2022 for example.
Curry in 2022 was slightly better than Curry in 2023. but the stats were worse. Kobe's best years like many other players were in his more advanced years 2009 and 2010 he was the best player in the world. Lebron said dat too.
Bron just was showing respect. But on the court Bron made sure he bust dude ass all the time
@@BIGJERSEY908 and kobe didn't give it right back? And while kobe was winning and making through the tough west, Bron was busy getting upset by dwight the booty hunter and quitting against the celtics. Definitely wasn't the best in 09 and 10, it was kobe easily
@@BIGJERSEY908and kobe was bussin his ass stop, kobe was waitin for him in the finals and got stood up
@Dgotitmade kobe had a top 10 big man the best bench player in the nba the best coach 1 of the best defenders of this generation and 1 of the most clutch players and shot makers of this generation. Plus a prime Andrew Bynum lol. Bron had mo Williams foh
@@BIGJERSEY908 bron had one of the best defenses in the league mo williams was an all star kobe just had a good team but he was obviously the difference, the teams that was sendin bron home kobe busted they ass inna finals had bron formin super teams kobe aint needa super team
All imma say:
He had the same coach as MJ
But
Ended up taking some of the toughest shots ever
He made his game for the 90s then the game changed a lot and he said zone defense and those rules were hard
Slowest era
In a league full of more talented players (as per MJ quote)
With less talent (mid 2000s Lakers)
He peaked with little around him (06,7)
Stats are misleading. He could beat players that were more effecient.
He was almost impossible guard.
If you replace him on the 90s Bulls... Wow
Kobe the 🐐
Underrated --- His athleticism and physical strength is pretty phenomenal.
Playmaking ability as a collective scorer, passer, and making plays for other players.
His off-the ball offense is often slept on, people often faulted alot of wing scorers from that era being disengaged when the ball wasn't in their hands, and that absolutely doesn't apply to Kobe.
Overrated -- Late game heroics are legendary and nearly unmatched, but in the playoffs there are other challengers to that title, even the much maligned LeBron, KD and Curry are all pretty good in the 4th Quarter/Late game situations/Game 7s.
After that injury 2012, he was not the same player, and probably got a few things off reputations, but most superstar players do.
HOT TAKES:
Kobe was arguably the best player in the league from 01-04, and he was the undisputed best player from 04-08. Nash and Dirk were great offensive players, but I don't think I'd take them over Kobe, while he was also far better defender than both at that stage of his career. Although, uber-talented and skilled, LeBron was still learning the ropes around the league, but he was the one that I think was closer to Kobe at the time. He should've had 2-3 more MVPs, easily. This is not me saying this as a fan or hater, this is purely from what his peers have said about him and people who had to guard him.
Not a diss at Kobe, when people say that the Lakers would've won 3 titles with another great SG in his place. It's not because Kobe was inferior, it was because the Lakers had a juggernaut roster. You add any other high caliber, versatile guard next Van Exel/Jones/Horry/Campbell/Fisher/Fox or Rice/Harper/Grant/Horry/Fisher/Fox with Phil Jackson. The Lakers just had a strong haven of talent, and they could draft fairly well.
Kobe, not on the Lakers, might have had a greater chance at breaking the All-Time scoring record and he may have had shot at the all-time scoring average lead.
Kobe is not an "MJ clone", he had his own pure Kobe-Mamba style. Granted, he had a similar fadeaway and on-court gestures, but he did some things that were distinctly different from MJ.
Kobe was never the best player in the NBA, i disagree with that. Starting in around 06 LBJ was easily better than Kobe. 01 and 02 Shaq was easily better than Kobe. Guys like KG and TD fill in the rest.
@@jacoblee5796 There's no 'easily' part whatsoever here. Some would argue Kobe was top 3 player in his 01 02 seasons. Some would argue Lebron had no say being NBA's best player pre-2012 (2007 Spurs showed how ineffective Lebron was against a clogged paint and a real rim protector, and 2011 showed how he's not mentally there yet as we know him today).
Points are soundly made. Though if you look back at the Lakers' 3-peat years, rather than just a great SG for that triangle offense with Shaq, you also want them elite defensively. Kobe was a perimeter pest in those years and just locked down on the best guards they come across with in the playoffs. I can think of maybe MJ, Wade, Jerry West, but no one else can fill those shoes both offensively and defensively. Shaq played with Lebron and Nash in his twilight years, and Penny in his earlier years... no chips.
@@EdbergTan Wait, LeBron is not better than Kobe for losing with a pathetic team against a team Kobe also wouldve lost too? What?
@@Edd_LShore Not the point, and not even in the same stratosphere in terms of star power on their teams. That's 3 top 10-15 players in their primes in the same team, and 2 top 5 players that year. Even in the offseason that team is already odds on favorites to win everything. And the low Lebron had in that Finals is incomprehensible if we didn't all witness it.
If kobes defense is overrated than god damn jordan is the most overrated ever mfer had 2-3 elite defenders at all times 😂
why cant i save this video to one of my playlists haha
Who gives at what you think I’ll stick to the players opinion
Remember when Kobe rejected Lebron twice at the NBA All-Star game? Hilarious.
Kobe is the 29th best player ever
He wasn't a sidekick my guy when there playoff run together both had equal numbers outside of rebounds
I love kobe but every since he passed away people are making a lot of revisionist statements about him and starting to overate him