Minecraft Official List Owners RESPONDED, 2b2t Reverted Changes - SalC1 Follow-up Video
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2023
- I thought I should make a final update video regarding two drama videos I made.
P2W Server Google Doc: docs.google.com/document/d/1b...
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the call with the gamersafer people was very informative and actually helped me understand their pov a lot better.
ily duper
@@lukent6775*sniffs aggressively*
hi duper
Now all you gotta do is collab with TheFapperTrapper bruh
Nice
I'd love to see Mojang and ultimately Gamersafer make a more firm definition for P2W. Right now its waaaay too vague. We as a community have a pretty firm definition (That is nothing that gives you a firm advantage on official server leaderboards like baltop and istop which a lot of player competition is held over) and I'd love to see them adopt something along the lines of that.
the horizon comment in newest comments? well thats rare to see
Another horizon comment, another beautiful day
Ok, but when will you upload your next video?
Next video when?
You haven't upload for 7 months
I hope that they make such clear definitions, that there is not even a single loophole in said rules
It's nice that they are doing a re-review and were open to talking, but it could just be fluff for the company image. It's worrying how vague and lenient their definition of paying for competitive advantage is, considering how words like "negative impact" could mean so many things. Like on an economy server, paying for advantage won't get you the ability to destroy someone else's economy, but it will shoot you to the top of the leaderboards. So is the feeling of never being able to be on the leaderboards without paying money a "negative impact?" What if the server has no PvP, but someone dies because they didn't buy a kit to fight monsters. Or they starve because they don't have /feed. Surely that's a negative impact also?
I'm not going to praise them until they actually start taking those pay-to-win servers down. This matter isn't settled just yet
Fair points and I agree with most of them. I still hold firm my opinion that most of those p2w servers I found on that list really shouldn't be there. And I still don't know exactly why they are they are there as GameSafer told me that they can't comment on individual server cases. So we'll have to see in the coming days/weeks what happens.
It 100% has to do with the fact that they can edit things after the fact, they could have removed almost their entire store, and just added it back to public view once they got in, or once they knew they passed@@SalC1
Mojang is half the problem as well.
@@SalC1 wait is it 'GameSafer' or 'GamerSafer'
i dont think mojang really cares about their image that much... they've completely destroyed it on the past two years, unless they are trying to recover from that
Thanks for giving us a fair shot and letting us know your thoughts on everything, Sal. Great to have a chance to share with you and see how we can keep improving on the site!
scammer
@@wingdingdmetrius8025bro what?? Have you not listened too any of the past two videos????
Money hungry pigs
Will all the servers on the Google document be investigated also?
Will there be a place where the reviews of those servers be public for people to see?
If a server does 'fail' with the PTW criteria, will there be a 'cooldown' or reapplication process/date implemented for those servers?
Good luck. I can't imagine the amount of work that is necessary to basically audit every minecraft server
We have to remember though, the server list is also marketed to children, so anything that gives you an advantage that you pay money for is already extremely wrong.
That's what I'm saying! P2W is predatory by itself.
Tbf fifa and some other games for kids also do that
@@gothicgolem2947Those are ALSO bad
Glad to see that your video raised awareness about the pay to win servers listed and managed to have a discussion with the website operators, it's always necessary to understand their own point of view. Hope to see more 2b2t videos from you soon!
Haven't you replied to one of my comments on your channel? Yeah, it was my comment about SCP-3008.
Didn't think I'd see you here lmao
@@OFFICERJIMMYUTTP bad bait lol
Gotta check the server list in a month or so again.
That ought to be enough time for the worst offenders to at least be removed.
No, it's gonna be closer to 3 months for sure
They won't. It's Microsoft. They will never turn down more money.
@@GhostJamm But the money from P2W servers goes to the server owners, not Microsoft, or am I missing something here?
@@doomse150 They pay Microsoft to be higher on the list.
@@GhostJamm Is there an actual source for that or is this just conspiratorial rambling?
But there's really no way some of those servers should have been allowed even by their definitions
Thank you Sal for being a huge contributor to improving and preserving 2b2t and keeping those pesky pay to win servers in check in a huge way. Can't wait to see your future videos and keep it up!
I'm actually surprised they took the criticism openly and are holding the server's for rereview figured they would've doubled down.
We have no evidence that they'll follow through. And I'm not inclined to take anything at the word of anyone involved with Mojang.
@@Chameleonred5Mojang hate is so forced, what if they actually do that and fix their official server list?
@@justaguy2183Then it wasn't Mojang but GamerSafer who fixed it. The people they talked to was GamerSafer, Mojang was not involved in the call or have responded.
@@USELESSDCK Probably they have. And Mojang also has responded but people keep trashing them over and over. People just hate Mojang because they want to seem cool, when they are the opposite of that
I can't wait to watch more 2b2t content from you SalC1! :)
retarded commentor
@OFFICERJIMMYUTTP my butt is bigger then yours, noob
@OFFICERJIMMYUTTPKy$
I didn't believe for a split second that Mojang wouldn't allow p2w on their server site. I don't believe it will ever change.
This sounds like a great plan 👍
Im just happy that the 2b2t community will be able to enjoy their server once again
Yay, gonna go play then, best wishes to you Sal! ❤
Good, I think I recommended the making of a doc on tha last video. Just makes it easier for everyone, both the community and GameSafer.
Also, I recommend, if you are allowed, putting the full discussion with GameSafer on RUclips. Of course, cutting out anything they can not tell the public. But I think it would help calm the community if they understood what GS was doing and it allows GS to be more transparent.
I had a feeling that the GameSafer people probably did have their hearts in the right place, it's just that they might not have full information about stuff. Nice to know that is the case, and that they're actually doing something in response to feedback.
So gamesafer basically said "We don't know what pay to win actually means so we're going to squirm out of our bad practices".
They're gonna have to reform that entirely.
Great that GamerSafer responded as quick as they did.
Sucks its all talk (for the moment). The good jobs come when they fix the mess they made
thank you for the follow up video. Love to hear how things go.
See this is why I like your channel, it was straight to the point, and it covered everything you needed to talk about, this was the most pleasant information dump I have ever experienced, 9/10 would watch again, keep up the good work :D
Thanks for bringing this to light and getting a better look at the process, it's good to hear that they will be reviewing it. At first I thought the reason for the new rules was to avoid allowing kids to get easy access to environments that would attempt to pressure them into micro transactions schemes. Which is a keg that I think will sooner or later get mine craft in trouble if they continue to sponsor any pay servers on their official list.
while I find it commendable that the gamersafer team is friendly and open about it, I am the kind of person to look at the worst case scenario first. So I am wondering if they accepted some form of bribe from those servers or they have a hand in the profits some other way. I know not everyone is corrupt and evil, however I will observe this and if any more *obvious* p2w servers pop up it will make them even more suspiscious.
The excuse of "missed it" I do not accept, almost all these servers had a obvious p2w system you notice on a first glance. Maybe it was the amount of servers that made them rush the process, maybe the server changed things after being accepted. either way they should be thorough and in my opinion the list is not a 1-off thing but should be consistently monitored (have quarterly reviews maybe?)
You're fighting a noble fight, Sal! Thanks for bringing up these issues and making a positive difference in the Minecraft community!
people forget its not mojang taking care of the server list. its their partner
dont you watch the video?its both
game safer just trim the list of possible candidate and mojang have the final says
Both of them are. Mojang was approving these servers as well
and who hired their partner? if u hire someone you have responsibility too should they f up
and so what?
Thier partner officially acting in thier name.
How does GamerSafer just "miss" so many clear P2W servers?
If you watched the video, it's a different and vague definition of p2w.
@@Creepernom If you watched the video, that "vague" definition of p2w STILL denies many of their accepted servers. Why? $$$
Thank you so much for the interest and care you put into this game, honestly, I don't even own it, but I think it's an important piece of software, with an even more important community that deserves respect and its feedback to be taken seriously.
These follow ups are exactly what we need to be fair to both parties!
I sometimes forget that this ain't some small RUclips channel. Thanks for fighting for things many of us simply lack control of.
Still the iconic background we all know and love!
Edit: I like the fact that you took responsibility and did due diligence when making the video without trying to haste it.
Sal you are a Minecraft revolutionary. I was skeptical of the negative bent of your past videos. But sometimes it's good to shine light on the darkness. Thank you for being a force for good, and not getting lost in the sensationalism/drama. Cheers
I’ve never played on 2b2t myself but i’ve always been interested by videos about it and i’m so glad that they reverted the changes
Looking forward to a resurgence of Sal 2b vids 🍻
I love this contenttt please make more❤❤
can't wait for more interesting block game videos!
I'd love to see more videos of you duping/crashing the economy in P2W servers!
That was unexpected, big respect for owners for reaching out
You are one creator i will always come back to, even if youtube doesnt
Yay more 2b2t content 😁
I started playing on 2b2t because of you and also started multiple bases in the past 2 years.
There are channels that specifically look for drama and force it into content. This is nothing like that.
It's not wrong to talk about important topics and call into question any bad decisions that affect many.
Keep doing what's important to you, I'm certain it makes a positive difference in the bigger picture!
It’s Minecraft blud
You should do another 2b2t alternatives video, i love those
glad that you were able to rally the community together on such an important issue! impressed as always 😁
Hi bezo
Its not your fault theres been so much drama. Looking forward to more multiplayer palenteology content from you!
Gamersafer crew are lovely, been in a call with them before. Hopefully they continue to make the server list an ideal place for people to go to as I'm sick and tired of all the current ones.
for example, when it comes to the penguin g server, I do not agree that there have been any changes on this server when it comes to itemshop over the last 7-8 months - I played season 3 and 4 of SkyBlock on this server and it was and is still the same p2w . I was in the top 10 islands in both seasons, which gives me a pretty good idea of the server itself, and selling IS items for in-game benefits is the norm. Some people have spent hundreds of hours boosting other islands for the $10 range (: .
youtube algorithm finally working properly
Thankyou so much for the explanation video❤
this is the only time ive seen a RUclipsr complain about something and it actually get changed, well done 👏
I get that the people you talked to on the discord seemed like nice people, and I'm sure they are, but that doesn't change the fact that their definition of "pay-to-win" just isn't good enough. We have to remember why these sort of micro-transactions are bad to begin with, because they're predatory and exploitative.
Their definition of "pay-to-win" would allow something like a skyblock server to have an instant pay for everything you need option in the store, then design the entire gameplay loop around grinding tirelessly to try to manipulate people into just buying the quick win. There isn't any pvp, so you could argue that someone buying the best items on their random patch of land won't negatively effect players, but there would still be a leaderboard, or a top balance, or other social aspects that are abused to make people, including children, believe that they need to sink money into the server to play on the same level as other players. That's not even mentioning lootboxes or other exploitative types of gambling that servers can still create to incentivise a purchase.
Not to get all conspiracy theory, but I think there's a reason this definition is getting muddier and muddier, especially with Bedrock's minecoins. What their rules are creating is a server list of mobile game inspired trash that have one goal, and its not to share fun minecraft experiences. I understand that servers do need to make money, but if that money is at the cost of the players experience, especially if it is directly harming the development of children or contributing to unhealthy spending habits that can take over peoples' lives, then it has no good reason to be made to begin with.
Pays to take action and let others know things. Appreciated. :>
Will hold my breath with the server list changes, but it's a good sign (and appreciated) that they were open to take criticism.
My real concern is that Mojang just doesn't care anyway. They've been taking one L after another and them just being all "meh" about it wouldn't surprise me at this point.
Understanding that what they did is an ass move, taking criticism, and fixing it 100% shows they're still on a good path down ahead. I wish mojang would do the same
mojang is an emotionless corporation now, they are too far gone in their current state
“L after L”? Mojang literally took down a P2W server, recently opened a discord for feedback, linked the Minecraft wiki instead of the fandom in their official site, and are now hearing the criticism of those people.
@@drayde4155That’s Microsoft, Mojang ain’t even a corporation, they’re just a studio.
@@abyssmage6979”I wish Mojang would do the same”, they’re literally doing that as well.
This was a very informative video. I'm glad that Mojang/Microsoft has provisions for parents who want their children to entertain themselves in a safe environment, but it was a little hazy as to what they were intending to do with this but having all the information from Gamersafer I think this is a good move by Mojang
I wonder what would happen if 2b2t keeps its update as a secondary server. Like if there was a split on the timeline. Would people play in the updated 2b2t (with the new rules)? How many players? How many of them would play both 2b2ts?
Really good that the 2b2t changes got reverted, can't wait for whatever videos you have planned in the future
i learned all the minecraft drama from u sal but it’s ok i enjoy nostalgia 😭😭
On your ending note: I wouldn't call this "drama". These are serious issues with how people interact with the game or 2b2t.
No drama is key to what your channel is about.
Correct me if im wrong but the 2b2t reversion of changes didn't include all the features, some of the minor ones (like the removal of green text and death messages) are still in play.
마인크래프트 서버계의 김성회시네요... 대단
I canot believe this finally happened
In one P2W server i played before i got banned for automating clicking, they had a Sharpness 8 netherite sword as a crate key reward that you have to buy and some more OP gear, and i saw that same server be in the server list even though its pretty clear the people that have money get a competitive advantage while the ones that dont dont get that, also the crate was a monthly crate, i dont remenber how much it costed but from what i saw it costed around $30
Yeah thank god you uploaded this video cause I missed the post
Somtimes voicing concerns is what needs done dont shy away from covering vital topics that you feel stongly about.
thank you daddy sal
Keep in mind that most MC servers that have less than 100 players MUST do p2w stuff to stay afloat.
Most MC servers have profits of less than $100/month but owners & team spend hundreds of hours on them each month.
minetest is starting to look really appealing to me, i've been playing minecraft since 2010; it might be time to say goodbye for awhile
3:43 yes, but why are you holding a feather?
I sent your first video to Mojang as soon as you uploaded it also.
Regarding the google doc
I feel some of the investigations were very shallow. One example that comes to mind is that one server was bashed for offering /fly to donators, yet what it didn't mention is that non donators can also gain fly time by voting for the server. In fact, almost every donator perk was available in some form for non donators to access, (non-donators can even earn store credit in-game).
I also disagree with the idea of bashing a server for "Voting gives (reward)" like, that's a standard practice and isn't a P2W mechanic in any way.
As you said in your original video, some of these servers were known P2W before already, so they didn’t make changes after being added to the list. Sorry, but your recollection of this call didn’t add a single new piece of information here. It doesn’t explain in the slightest how the supposed extensive review was able to miss such obvious things.
I'm alright with paying for perks that are not stupidly overpowered, and currency purchases to buy stuff from the server market for a reasonable price... But I draw the line when it has gambling loot crates, and obviously overpowered perks and ranks like creative fly mode that cost $500..
Having an interpretive definition is okay if they also list a list of clearly offending definitions, like ones where without a doubt they are in violation of the no P2W. That way they have room to interpret but also can't be wishy washy with some very obvious ones.
Do what you deem correct, as we clearly see we need an outside moderating voice that can voice concerns
can't wait to go back on Minecraft's youngest survival server
There is no interpretation problem. Paying to get kits of overpowered items is clearly against the rules. Still highly suspect that money is flowing from those servers to Gamersafer to ensure that they get through the initial review, knowing that Mojang won't bother checking everything
bingo 🎯🎯🎯
im going to assume his next 2b video will be about how 2b mob farms and everything actually works now
does anyone know why Hypixel which is arguably one of the biggest minecraft servers is not on the list?
Güzel ideo başarılarımnın sdevamını dilerim yayında izledik afiyet oldu.
tbh even though i'm happy with the 2b2t reverts, my base in the 5m+/5m+ range got found and i'm too paranoid to settle a new base until there's word of some sort of exploit that's fixed. I know there's one related to beehives but it didn't really apply here.
Luckily the guy just left a sign to say hi but not gonna chance it, offline/nomad until then.
I personally feel like you should've made a followup video about 2B2T waaaay sooner than you did.
Yessss
I would like it if you did a interview on “housemaster”
Zoinks!
i'm sorry but idc how nice they are, it's absurd that you're doing their job for them.
salc1 is very influential and attractive i must say
I just started playing 2B2T this week and by definition It is "Anarchy", and I am stunned by this server. First of all with an open lobby I had to leave my laptop out ALL DAY just to get in because whos gonna pay 2/3's the price of their minecraft account to play a server MONTHLY. After waiting 8 hours I was spawn killed 8 times by a Baritone bot named DSTT. this was only the beginning because there is no wood near spawn, and players began trapping me in obsidian pills. No doubt it was Hardcore, no Hardcore^2. My advice is to go 2000-3000 blocks away from spawn (Overworld first) grab stone tools wood then go mining for iron, and don't forget to get food. (Raw or Not) After this Run in the Overworld to roughly 5000 blocks in any direction then use X-Ray to Get Diamond Gear. This strategy worked 3 times in testing (*dying), and should work for you. After this Go to the nether highways and go not 128,000 blocks (the 2b2t map), but 250,000 to 300,000 AT LEAST. MORE IS BETTER. The more you go and the deeper your base is the harder it is to find. In fact 90% of bases seem to be within 150,000 blocks so raiders look there first for noobs. If your blessed enough to have the sheer willpower to grind for 7 days at a time GO TO THE BORDER. People there wont kill you (AS OFTEN!!!). And it HELPS A TON to put beds periodically around the world so when you die you don't spawn at Spawn. Leave them so other people can pick them up too.
I'm optimistic with how receptive gamesafer seems to be, but it's concerning how open-ended their definition of pay to win is
thank you
Are you fine with stuctures being spawned in non-vanilla locations on 2b2t? As a result of the attempt at obfuscating terrain generation, there's such things as villages spawning in the wrong biomes or locations, or even in midair, in new chunks of all things. This is reminiscent of the old thing where ocean monuments spawned underground because of biome changes when switching versions. Except this time it results from a faulty modification to the terrain gen instead of being (afaik) normal vanilla consequences of updating the game. Everybody seems to be fine with that, but those are things that I'll only be able to "enjoy as history" once the bug is actually fixed, and it doesn't seem like there's plans to fix it. If it has been fixed (which it might have been idk), there hasn't been a note about it that I'm aware of.
That definition of "competitive advantage" didn't felt like it was sincere, and instead it felt like it was a cop-out or saving face method. This definition "would" exclude paying for QoL stuff like /fly and /fix, but if that server has ANY kind of ranking and/or PvP, then even that exclusion goes down the drain, since paying for QoL gives you an advantage over others on the ranking/PvP (indirectly most of the cases in the PvP side).
Is there any update from them? Two weeks would be enough time for them to iron out whatever definition they're going with and what can and can't be done, plus kick these servers out of the list.
In my experience a commonly upheld ideal is better than a list of commonly hated don'ts.
I'm curious how you believe servers should pay for their upkeep. Have you made a video where you talk about it or would you be willing to talk about it in the future?
I'd like to see a video or another way of try to share what Minecraft servers should look like seeing as it can be a lot of work and money to keep some servers running.
I agree, but it's not him to really answer about this. He is adhering to the Minecraft terms of services, so it's Mojang who should answer about more ways to monetize.
Even then, are Minecraft servers supposed to make profit by itself? I don't think so.
They could charge for access if you want to play more than a certain time for example.
Donations, or if that's not enough, membership dues.
Despite the W, I would really like to not see anymore 2b2t videos. I think they are pretty boring barring a few exceptions showing really old stuff.
i bought a machete from you at a yard sale
Lmao
@@lefywazhere7582 nah im being deadass tho
@@elsewhere7016 thats cool tbh 😂
bro casually knows salc1’s address 😭
I found it hysterical that it’s still just says “old server” on 2b website XD
2b2t also added a word blacklist in chat, the most obvious example being the hard n word
if you send a message which contains a blacklisted word - it will be displayed only to your client, essentially lying to you that your message got sent when it didnt
i got muted on 2 accounts for bringing up the word bans although i did lightly spam my message, i got muted indefinitely it seems lol
Apartament owner really listened to the community
Could you release some more of what they said about their criteria and about the review process? Does Mojang have the final verdict, and GamerSafer is just giving advice? They might be reviewing P2W servers, but they're still on its website.
Hopefully this Fix might’ve done well for Mojang Studios and the Minecraft Community.
The final final final 2b2t video
TheMisterEpic aka the goat makes another appearance.
tbh even if i have high respect for your words according everything around minecraft it looks obviously that the GamerSafer AND Mojang people involved in this are obviously not pursuing their jobs correctly - they can be as nice as they want but this doesnt change the fact