BTW: You usually can apply minor motion blur in post production. It basically uses visual flow estimation between frames to guess how fast each part of the image moved and then applies a motion blur in the correct direction with the strength you chose. It usually takes FOREVER though.
I find it pretty interesting that you mentioned the rumors about the 1inch sensor version. I might be wrong but I think the one inch sensor of the one R has a shutterspeed lock as well. Has there been any further updates on it?
Did you notice and stepped exposure compensation on the insta? I have a feeling if that would not be as smooth as Gopro's. I as well prefer locking shutter speed, however there are situations indoors, when you need auto as the light varies too much...
I wanted to talk about that as well but I just didn't have the time to take another example piece of video and show it. But you're absolutely correct, the step exposure adjustment is awful however it doesn't present itself as much when the setting has things going on
Thanks for your review buddy. I was actually thinking to give the insta a try. Just one question if I may, why did they build the camera in this GoPro like format? This is not the most aerodynamic shape! Is there anyone working on a Session like shaped, decent camera out there? That would be great to have. I’m still using my Session 5 😅
What about a naked Session with Hero 8 Specs, that would be sick. I mean common reelsteady probably wouldn't exist without the fpv community and now gopro bought em and boom the hero 9 finally has usable incamera Stabilisation not like the 7 and 8 which fuck up ur footage on a regular basis. But i guess DJI will buy GoPro soon anyways.
Happy to see Insta360 do this, I hope gopro is paying attention. It’s really incredible that they are able to apply resources into making something so specific to this market and listening to the community! I wish all the best image sensors and cool processors for their future lol. Being able to change lens settings and stabilization in post is also really smart and should be taken more seriously as a standard for action cams. Kudos to Insta 360 for all their hard work. 👏🏼👏🏼
Good review however, you should consider the cost of buying a naked GoPro8 to the SMO. I've been looking at buying a naked GoPro vs. buying one and doing it myself and saw the SMO as an excellent alternative for the price considering a naked GP6 can go for $350-400. Sure the GP8 is $10 more right now but you also have this pig that needs tedious disassembly for weight comparison. I also feel much of the video quality that is lacking in the SMO can be made up for in post-production.
LOL. Roogi you missed the whole point of the insta360 SMO. There's no reason to compare a full sized gopro hero 8 to the SMO. The SMO is competing with the Naked gopro hero 7. It's for people who don't want to tear apart their gopros and risk bricking it. Instead this is a already done solution for that and micro, mini kwads that can't carry or you don't want affecting your flight style due to weight. You should go back and compare those cameras (and even the insta360 go) to the SMO. And compare the user experience with both. Naked gopro (which I have) having to connect your screen to it, to get it set up for the first time, etc. It's for micro, mini kwads that you can't carry a full sized gopro on. Yes, it's not as good as the gopro hero 8, but that's not what the point why they made the Insta360 SMO. Nice comparison vid, but you missed the boat on this one Roogie.
The H7 is very similar to the H8. I did discuss the whole weight aspect of it at the end but I don't feel it's suitable to compare this to an exploded hero because the GoPro will be very easily better quality. Also, the H8 is actually $230 at Costco right now so $10 cheaper.
@@Kabab fair enough, but still don't think it's apples to apples comparison. If you're comparing full sized cameras that's one thing, but one's a micro style cam and the other is full sized camera with much more weight. You can get 5-10% off the insta smo at betafpv or diatone, if you're penny pinching with the gopro hero 8 on sale at costco. Personally I wouldn't get a gopro hero 8 due to the lens not replaceable like the hero 7. I'd get a hero 9 (with replaceable lens unlike the h8) if I wanted a new full sized camera, if I was looking at getting the gopro hero 8. But my hero 7, hero 5 session, and naked gopro 7 do just fine for me (I'm no professional, like a lot of fpv'ers and unless you're pro and need top of the line footage, then something like the insta360 SMO or naked gopro is perfect, especially if you're trying to save weight for your mini/micro kwads.) For my 5" and above gopro hero 7 all day! BTW - Since you do have some pull, maybe ask insta360 to release a firmware upgrade that might help the SMO or the 1" sensor one or even better, 1" sensor mod. :)
@@djdubz I actually tried to get them to pay attention to fpv when I met them at CES in January. Since then I've been emailing them back and forth a bit but they never really listened to anything I was pitching. Somehow betafpv got through. I don't think I can do anything to persuade them to do anything. Ultimately anyone looking for a cam like this will need to make up their own mind. I personally am not on the whoop/exploded gopro wagon.
@@Kabab Thanks Roogi! You're very persuasive! You may have influenced them by putting it in their ear at CES! Keep up the great videos. U have awesome stuff!
Hmm over here we have gopro hero 8 for 339€ and SMO 4k for 249€ so for me we're looking at 90€ difference in price instead of $10. But regardless they are not really competing. The weight is the main thing with this camera imo. I mean sure you can strip a gopro but that is a lot of hazzle, while this is a ready product.
Finally a review instead of vlogity mashed up with hexa i dont care about!;-) Thanks so much for it! Probably going to get it, just couse they recognize FPV community and that have to be rewarded. Getting each new runcam camera for exactly same reason as for hobby purposes its "just good enought" and my money goes to someone who actually recognizes our hobby.
You can lock the insta360 shutter speed if you connect to the phone app. Also there is a go pro 8 naked camera on the market. That would be a good comparison.
Yeah that's my problem too, if I'd had either of these I'd have lost a lot of money the other week when my quad ended up in a lake, as it was I only lost the battery.
Thanks for swapping Left and Right sides during the video. Helps to see the difference greatly, and I always wished all the comparison videos do this. Great review as always.
This may be premature, but I'm wondering if you have any connections in the battery world that can shed some insight on all this new hype around the next gen of solid state batteries, particularly with respect to quad issues like thermal properties, weight, power density, weight, ability to produce high amp discharge, expected number of power cycles, lifetime reduction from storing fully charged, cost, yadda yadda...I know a lot of this is not know but with all your knowledgeable contacts I think slot of people would be really interested to know what our quads might've able to do with this new gen of batteries. There's some info out there with respect to it's usage in cars but obviously quad power needs are probably different in important ways. Probably too early for such a request, but just a thought...
I'm constantly researching it but I'm not confident we're going to see anything like that in our field for a while. I can't even find any other manufacturer making the fat tesla cells with the tabless design and old chemistry.
Questions about aio. You have them custom made so you would know. Why is newbee drone the only small aio to make them 12amp? Is it actually 12amp? Is the fpvcycle 6amp because you can't pull 12 on 1s or something? Just curious
When you get that small, the amperage is governed more by the actual PCB itself than the FETs and other components used. They may have used 12a FET's but it wont do anything near 12a. At least it doesn't for me
Is the Hero8 being stripped done and made lighter? I thought it was only the Hero 6. Great review, other than the fact that you are comparing a 30g stripped down camera to a 120+g full Hero 8. These cameras would be flown on completely different quads, with the Hero 8 being a slight stretch to add to a powerful 3" quad. So, am I missing something? Or, wouldn't this be a better comparison with the Hero6 stripped down version? Then it would be apples to apples, but as is, it is a stripped down Smo 4k 30g, being compared to a stock Hero8, at 120+grams. If you are intent at comparing these as is, and not both stripped down, I feel the SMO 4K is the clear winner here. Obviously because it can be flown on nearly ANY quad over, let's say, 75 - 85mm. IMO, a better comparison would have been with the Hero6 stripped down model. Which one has to do themselves, take the very real chance of ruining it, where as the SMO 4K comes ready to go from the factory... WITH A WARRANTY! Add to that the fact that Insta360 actually is recognizing the FPV hobby and has now produced its second camera for us, where Gopro discontinued the Session, even after much pleading from our community! Thanks Insta360! 🤔😎🤘🎅🎄☃️
yes people are stripping the hero 8 too as far as I can tell. I go over this at the end as well. The title of the video even says "even comparable?". At the end of the day, if you're looking for the best quality footage, it's going to come from a gopro and not this isnta360 camera. So you can make whatever accommodations to get that gopro quality if that's what you're after. Otherwise, this is suitable for anyone that's okay with the quality you get from it. Also, the warranty is just that, a warranty. It's not insurance. The gopro can be gotten with a square trade or best buy warranty that will cover actual breaking the camera from crashing and smashing. The best buy warranty is literally free because they refund you the warranty amount as well if you go in and exchange it. Square trade can probably be gotten on the SMO too maybe.
50fps or 60fps with a 1/60 shutter will have natural motion blur and look good. Try it sometime. The 180-degree guideline is trash based on a lie and tailored for low frame rates (24/25) anyway.
Well... The fair comparison would be with a naked GoPro, Bob. Because this is a naked Insta360. Other than that... It really depends on what you're going to do with the recording. Is it for TV or cinema? Then forget even the GoPro. But if it's for RUclips... Doesn't it really makes a difference? Anyway... Happy holidays! And stay safe there! 🖖😊
Thanks a lot for the time and effort that went into this side by side comparison! For me, GoPro is still a winner but it is nice to have a company challenging them.
Insta360 SMO: bit.ly/38qHTfI Table of Contents: 00:00 - Intro 01:11 - Side by side raw comparison 02:53 - Distortion correction of SMO 04:03 - RSGo vs Flowstate 05:35 - Horizon lock of RSGo 06:52 - The camera itself 09:03 - Full screen Insta360 w/Flowstate 09:39 - Full Screen Hero8 w/RSGo I meant to say shutter speed limit, not lock. It has a shutter speed lock. I want to allow it to go below 1/60 if it chooses to. Hero 8 settings: 4:3 4k/30 Wide 1/60 max shutter (not locked, can go lower) Auto ISO GoPro color ND filter: bit.ly/36IjSkN Insta360 SMO settigns: 4:3 4k/30 Widest angle Normal colors Otherwise default The Quad: bit.ly/31Wv3Ts Stay tuned to www.FPVCycle.com. We've been working extremely hard on a bunch of new things. ▼Join the FB group for more discussion: FPVCycle - Kabab FPV facebook.com/groups/379155946182689/ ▼ Tips? Patreon: bit.ly/2oGLP9b $1/mo from 1/4 of my subscribers will make me almost quit my job. Thank you -PayPal: www.paypal.me/kababfpv -Bitcoin: 1E4XZXoD4rS6MYWVWuenY7Kw2M1YgyNpoQ -Nano: xrb_1188ek5bd7tb9kw67asnp9o65byuoaxbtpxuznx1ribf75x78awywmakj55f -ETH: 0xD067F93811f2eC31CB1928901002dfdf9A492EF5 -LTC: La2KWYAjp4VT2Lq2M76pbjzXWvRyjpfCtG
Hej Bob, At 8:21 you show a whoop with pusher props. Much like the EMAX Tinyhawk. I am contemplating about buying a TinyHawk II whoop for my birthday (end of January), but now I have seen this whoop and wonder whether this is a better option. I have watched your TinyHawk II review (ending 200 mW) many times and like the comments about the pusher configuration and the flatness in Z-direction resulting in good balance. I have planned to buy one, do the XT30 mod and use the same 1S 520 mAh batteries that I have for the excellent BabyTooth. Can you please comment the name of this whoop at 8:21 or the chassis name if it is available? I would need to investigate whether this is good for me or the TinyHawk II. Thank you!
@@donphobos that one is from namelessRC. I'm not a huge fan of this overall class of quad that's high powered to carry an exploded gopro. There's high risk of something burning or breaking. I'm rather impatient and can't deal with so much maintenance. But if you're good, you don't end up with much failure
@@Kabab Thank you! I live in Sweden and on the West Coast it is raining a lot. I have thought to get a whoop for flying indoors mainly, no GoPro, just DVR. I am actually a big fan of DVR, my childhood dream was to have some kind of camera on an RC plane and some television set to see what the camera can view. That was in the 80's in Hungary, time and technology has evolved since then... :-D I will look at the whoop then and see whether it is any idea to "marry" your 1S board and BabyTooth electric machines with such a whoop frame and then use them on 1S. The benefit would be to able to cherry pick a good FPV camera on it (your new camera would be a strong contender). Maybe I am just overengineering this project yet again, and just buying a TinyHawk 2, converting it to XT30 and just fly on 1S would be the best for my indoor application :-) Thank you for taking time for my silly question, I am a big fan of your work and projects. Keep up the great work.
Hey I had to say something positive about the SMO 😅. The comment just before you literally says 'kind of disagree. Ordered an SMO' despite the evidence seen in my video right in their face. Can only lead a horse to water... 🤷🏻♂️
@@Kabab I understand completely... J/S I did find the image quality is close to hero5. Might be worth making a comparison video with its actual matching cam quality 🤣
I just bought one SMO4K and even not being at the level of a GoPro, DAM it's a awesome camera right out of the box with only 30grams! I paid 197€ ... I can't even get my hands on a used GoPro for 200€ and if I did I have to spend more money on the naked case e then risk to wreck the GoPro while making it a naked camera... It's a no brainer! ... Note: And with the history of constant firmware and software updates from Insta360 crew I know we'll see great features being added to the system.. This is just the beginning! ;)
No doubt.. when i using gopro6, and gopro8, its different, even both of them looks amazing with reelsteadyGo, then this competitor coming, i think, oh my gosh.. should i sell my naked gopro6? Then this video makes me realize... the price in gopro came with something more good.
Back then they were about the same price. Also, to me, yes the GoPro is worth the extra money for sure. The footage from the smo looks like trash side by side without RUclips compression. It depends on what you're looking for however. Many will find the smo great or an upgrade from whatever they're using. It's just not a replacement for a GoPro.
best review I seen so far , not sure about the form factor of the insta ...If Gopro could only bring back an updated version of the session ( with replaceable batteries) . I noticed people having issue with jello on the insta on larger quads, well no wonder if you only attach it with that mounting point , the thing would just flop from side to side at higher speed ...
Honestly the part that has me the most interested is that it is powered off of the LiPo. It can be a pain having to charge a bunch of GoPro batteries, or in my case, having a Session means having to have several sessions to record in HD all day. I think I'm willing to take a hit on overall quality for this convenience. I wish it was closer to $200
@@jakeh3144 I prefer to run a battery because I'm lazy but it's definitely typical and just a bit of googling will likely yield you details pretty quick
I think with what gopro is currently doing with its software/app which is affecting many who have stripped theirs down like the smo 4k I've decided to buy the Smo 4k instead of gopro as my first proper action camera for my Hexplorer LR they seem to be supporting the community and I'll support them. :-)
As a knee jerk reaction I immediately ordered the SMO but after watching the this and other quality comparisons I decided to return it unopened. I already have a naked GoPro8. I was hoping this would do just as well but I just don't think it will cut it for what I do. Last night I just bought a used GP8 for $200. I'll just risk it and strip it down for my second Cinewhoop.
Ive been frustrated with the action camera market since it started, with a few exceptions that never gained traction. GoPro has been the frat boy whose parents bought his way into college then stumbled into a minimal effort six figure white collar job straight out of undergrad, sure theyve shown up but theyve never done the work. They have made truly infantile incremental advancements that require the bare minimum of creativity or innovation. Ive never been a fan of Gopro as a company or the design solutions they have produced. In terms of image quality and stabilization Sony had them beat five years ago but Gopro's name recognition held on and Sony did a terrible job of winning market share and seemingly abandoned the segment (RX0II is not within this segment.)
Well done Bob. But also a naked gopro hero does exist, they just dont sell them pre-assembled. I've built a few naked gopros at this point and it's about a 30 minute process if you know what you're doing.
@@Kabab Ok I understand that for you it wasn't better than gopro, but for me, what I tried was better, I don't know how, I used the same 1/60 30fps 100iso 16nd setup and the smo result was better - for my eyes. I think it's could be a matter of taste. I commented this because I think it could help someone to make better decision from more opinions :)
not efficient at all. Every time I use them I don't like them and go back to the tri blades. I haven't found a better duct prop than the Gemfan 75mm triblade.
@@Kabab What about the 2.5" genfam 5 blade that just came out for the 95X V3, they seem to be more quiet, but i guess thats just because of lower rpm from more drag and mass.
@@Kabab Why would it be quieter AND less efficient? I thought the lowered efficiency was caused by the props generating more sound instead of more thrust (?)
@@townc2824 it's just a theory but I believe it's quieter because you just don't need or get the same rpm on the blades. I don't know why it's higher pitch however. Something about how the vortecies interact off each blade with the next one behind it. It's less efficient because there's a whole other blade you need to drag through the air.
Hey...you know what’s be awesome...if you did a follow-up review of your 30mm motors. I’m not sure whether it’d be weird doing a review if your own motors...anyway, it’s been a while since you introd them and I’m wondering if you’d been bashing them lately to get a better idea of their characteristics. Anyway, good shit man...
@@no-trick-pony bestbuy has it for $230 on promotion that actually just ended. It'll go on sale again. They also dropped the price on the SMO I believe
@@Kabab Ah! Okay. Sadly over here in Euro the two aren't even close. The best price for the Hero 8 here in the past 12 months was (converted to USD) 364 USD. I can get the insta360 for 239.99 USD though too. Used Hero 6 is roughly around the same price point as the insta360 here, even a used Hero 7 is more expensive sadly..
@@Kabab hehe no, sorry my english is so bad. I meant how long is the record time from the smo? For example with the "insta360 GO" there is a limit from one minute. Is on the smo a record time limit too?
So I have been a Tesla fan since like 2013 and it is becoming very obvious that their is an overlap between great FPV pilots and Tesla ownership (Steele, Nurk, Ummagawd, Kabab)
Yes but it's also the only car that makes any sense anymore which is partly why the stock has exploded like madness crazy nothing we ever seen. 8x in 10mo.
Hard to see in youtube but when you blow up the raw video, the SMO is extremely sharp. The gopro is the same but sometimes the SMO is slightly better. But no matter the situation the gopro is the better option for quality
Im leaning more towards the SMO over a GoPro because of weight, I can always clean up the footage afterwards a bit and help color grade in something like Filmora or Adobe AE.
I'm disappointed in the color & lighting😑 of the insta360 naked. I know my insta360go has color plus when exporting and it usually looks better checking that box. Does the naked cam have that option? Even so it would be best to just have good saturation balance from raw but since they are listening hopefully an update can fix this
Im really hoping that the silver and blue version on the box is a 2.7k 180deg camera using just one of the one r 360 mods for that horizon lock and barrel roll possibility.
@@Kabab yes it's what I understand , I think a naked Hero 8 with good 3D printed case will last longer for freestyle . I fly 3" quad only so naked gopro is mandatory for me ;)
I noticed significant rolling shutter in some parts of the footage from the Insta whereas the GoPro didnt. Bob, it's fair to assume the same number ND filter was being used on both? In regards to image sharpness, it would be great for everyone to push the manufacturers to make higher quality lenses for action cameras. There's no real reason why the Insta cant compete on image quality
It's not the lens that's the issue I believe. It's something to do with the sensor and the image processing. The ND's on both are indistinguishable density. Both ND16
@@Kabab In a previous Post you said, the gopro is build by yourself and you belive it is ND16 but could also but nd32... Testing cams with not the same Filters is biased...
Insta go is a more of a 360ish cam. The colors and dynamic range can't be fixed on the insta smo. The detail information is missing and the shadow noise is high.
@@Kabab Hopin the silver/blue version is a 180deg 2.7k cam for horizon lock. Also wondering what this comarison would look like with both recorded in log and then post processed via the same luts/specs? Ive never been a fan of gopro color or how it deals with detail, always felt way too sharpened. Really wishing sony's action cam offerings took off and continued to be developed 5+ years ago. Maybe rx0II's are cheap enough by now a naked version wouldnt be unreasonable?
Nice review! Really appreciate how insta360 pay attention to this hobby. However as hobbyist I'm happy with Hero8. Sure it a bit heavy in my 2.5" cinewhoop but I can deattach the internal battery to reduce weight and it fly well, also I can still use it for the other activities without worry because it's not "naked". Just curious why insta360 adopting the "hero naked gopro" form factor instead adopting the "session naked gopro" which is more better in CG ?
@@Kabab Sure ... But I'm curious about the form factor. Are they need more time & RND to produce light weight "naked" action cam with flowstate/hypersmooth or whatever best stab. app. in CG/box shaped ?
@@gonebdg I actually talked about that in the video and cut it out because it was probably hurtful to the company. Most likely they adopted this form factor because of influence from betafpv. The playbook of these Chinese companies is usually to copy what's already popular. They're looking for free marketing. They don't think to change or innovative. They just want to mimic. It's really very sad that they feel they must do such a thing but it also shows that they're not interested in the actual market. Only pulling money from the market. Insta360 is actually pretty innovative imo but betafpv is just another copy cat company. They could have made the form factor more beneficial for everyone...
@@Kabab copy or not. SMO is the only "naked" camera that you can buy everywhere at good price. Gopro don't pay attention to the naked camera market. Then you can only buy because of this "copy".
I talk about that at the end. It's because of a lack of shutter speed limit. It's operating between 1/60 and 1/120 mostly in this setting. At 1/120 it looks choppy. I always limit my GoPro to 1/60 so it doesn't get choppy
The one that comes with the SMO says it's an ND16. The one I put on my GoPro I developed myself and it's supposed to be an ND32 but it's more like 16. Holding both up to the sun, they look very similar in density.
@@Kabab really? the footage you're showing us looks good from both cameras, I just think the way the smo deals with colours and light is the problem (just by observation), does it have a flat profile? "The stabilization isn't really that useful on the smo to begin with" sounds like you're saying the opposite in the video, that insta360's way of stabalising is superior.
@@zacjohnson8404 the stabilization from RSGo is so superior and dynamic to tune for the video clip that it makes the GoPro hero and SMO built in stabilization options not even worth considering. (I consider the SMO stabilization as built in even though it's not). Sure it's better than nothing, most of the time but also somewhat useless compared to RSGo. The good news is that there is a way to use RSGo with the SMO camera too. It's just a little more cumbersome. Look at Albert Kim's channel for a how to. Overall the image quality on the SMO is quite a bit more limited than anything GoPro as well. You can't tell so much here but in post processing it's very very obvious. Ultimately if your requirements aren't high and the quality is good enough then it's fine.
can you not adjust sharpness and exposure settings or even colour in the smo insta360 app? that oversharpened look makes the image quality look cheap like a low bitrate yet the camera puts out 100mbps and it alays looks over exposed which is basically deleting information from the image.
We can only hope GoPro makes a small version of the 9 or newer, that’d be great. In the trailer when they released the 9 the first clip was on an Fpv drone so hopefully they see us needing a smaller/ lighter version
Company built high quality light camera. Only 30g. Not 128g. Flywoo sold a naked hero 7 but don't know if they still are. And they only selling this new with warranty for $240
What about durability? Has to be closer to a deceased GoPro than a stock hero 8, right? You slam a miniquad with that on there is gonezo Edit: de-cased not deceased hahah
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BTW: You usually can apply minor motion blur in post production. It basically uses visual flow estimation between frames to guess how fast each part of the image moved and then applies a motion blur in the correct direction with the strength you chose. It usually takes FOREVER though.
Sure but it doesn't look anything the same. The motion blur is more for things closer to the camera
I find it pretty interesting that you mentioned the rumors about the 1inch sensor version. I might be wrong but I think the one inch sensor of the one R has a shutterspeed lock as well. Has there been any further updates on it?
They don't really explain much. None of these action cams are all that capable
Great video brother 😀📸from Canada 🇨🇦eh happy holidays!
That is the comparison that i was looking for. Today choice for an fpv pilot...i give a like before watching
.. and after watching i confirm the like. As always, Thanks for the great job!
Did you notice and stepped exposure compensation on the insta? I have a feeling if that would not be as smooth as Gopro's. I as well prefer locking shutter speed, however there are situations indoors, when you need auto as the light varies too much...
I wanted to talk about that as well but I just didn't have the time to take another example piece of video and show it. But you're absolutely correct, the step exposure adjustment is awful however it doesn't present itself as much when the setting has things going on
Thanks for your review buddy.
I was actually thinking to give the insta a try.
Just one question if I may, why did they build the camera in this GoPro like format?
This is not the most aerodynamic shape!
Is there anyone working on a Session like shaped, decent camera out there?
That would be great to have. I’m still using my Session 5 😅
yeah I don't know why they felt the need to choose the same form factor as the exploded gopro build.
I agree! Go Pro all day!
I disagree I like the clarity on the insta360 and the lighting. Just ordered 3 of them
RSGO more better!! adjustable.
I thought it was a 360 cam..no?
Yeah the name of the company is a bit confusing
If we could only convince them to make a session style camera now.
What about a naked Session with Hero 8 Specs, that would be sick.
I mean common reelsteady probably wouldn't exist without the fpv community and now gopro bought em and boom the hero 9 finally has usable incamera Stabilisation not like the 7 and 8 which fuck up ur footage on a regular basis.
But i guess DJI will buy GoPro soon anyways.
100% agree with you. The only thing I need is a 70gr but rock solid camera.
@@NicolaGuerrera Just take the battery out of your Gopro 6, 7, 8 or 9 and power it via USB from your FC's 5v pad. That's around 80g
Would be nice
Nice rich neighborhood.
Happy to see Insta360 do this, I hope gopro is paying attention. It’s really incredible that they are able to apply resources into making something so specific to this market and listening to the community!
I wish all the best image sensors and cool processors for their future lol. Being able to change lens settings and stabilization in post is also really smart and should be taken more seriously as a standard for action cams. Kudos to Insta 360 for all their hard work. 👏🏼👏🏼
I think betafpv obviously had a lot to do with getting them to make this. But I agree, it's great.
Good review however, you should consider the cost of buying a naked GoPro8 to the SMO. I've been looking at buying a naked GoPro vs. buying one and doing it myself and saw the SMO as an excellent alternative for the price considering a naked GP6 can go for $350-400. Sure the GP8 is $10 more right now but you also have this pig that needs tedious disassembly for weight comparison. I also feel much of the video quality that is lacking in the SMO can be made up for in post-production.
Yeah definitley, the big difference is that the SMO is superlight. if its camera is 80% as good as a hero8 sign me up
Keep in mind that in Europe the insta is at least 70€ less expensive than the gopro.
lol, in Holland the insta360 SMO is 100 euro's cheaper than the Gopro.
Yeah I don´t know where he gets his pricing.
@@wiebel1991 $200-300 Aud cheaper than a gopro 8 black here..
@@tait6010 yea I just ordered a SMO for 180 euros. Gopro is 319. so 149 euro difference (240 aud).
In Spain is 100 euro´s cheaper than the gopro8
Great Review kabab.. First video of the day with a cup of coffee. Keep it up
LOL. Roogi you missed the whole point of the insta360 SMO. There's no reason to compare a full sized gopro hero 8 to the SMO. The SMO is competing with the Naked gopro hero 7. It's for people who don't want to tear apart their gopros and risk bricking it. Instead this is a already done solution for that and micro, mini kwads that can't carry or you don't want affecting your flight style due to weight. You should go back and compare those cameras (and even the insta360 go) to the SMO. And compare the user experience with both. Naked gopro (which I have) having to connect your screen to it, to get it set up for the first time, etc. It's for micro, mini kwads that you can't carry a full sized gopro on. Yes, it's not as good as the gopro hero 8, but that's not what the point why they made the Insta360 SMO. Nice comparison vid, but you missed the boat on this one Roogie.
The H7 is very similar to the H8. I did discuss the whole weight aspect of it at the end but I don't feel it's suitable to compare this to an exploded hero because the GoPro will be very easily better quality. Also, the H8 is actually $230 at Costco right now so $10 cheaper.
@@Kabab fair enough, but still don't think it's apples to apples comparison. If you're comparing full sized cameras that's one thing, but one's a micro style cam and the other is full sized camera with much more weight. You can get 5-10% off the insta smo at betafpv or diatone, if you're penny pinching with the gopro hero 8 on sale at costco.
Personally I wouldn't get a gopro hero 8 due to the lens not replaceable like the hero 7. I'd get a hero 9 (with replaceable lens unlike the h8) if I wanted a new full sized camera, if I was looking at getting the gopro hero 8. But my hero 7, hero 5 session, and naked gopro 7 do just fine for me (I'm no professional, like a lot of fpv'ers and unless you're pro and need top of the line footage, then something like the insta360 SMO or naked gopro is perfect, especially if you're trying to save weight for your mini/micro kwads.) For my 5" and above gopro hero 7 all day!
BTW - Since you do have some pull, maybe ask insta360 to release a firmware upgrade that might help the SMO or the 1" sensor one or even better, 1" sensor mod. :)
@@djdubz I actually tried to get them to pay attention to fpv when I met them at CES in January. Since then I've been emailing them back and forth a bit but they never really listened to anything I was pitching. Somehow betafpv got through. I don't think I can do anything to persuade them to do anything.
Ultimately anyone looking for a cam like this will need to make up their own mind. I personally am not on the whoop/exploded gopro wagon.
@@Kabab Thanks Roogi! You're very persuasive! You may have influenced them by putting it in their ear at CES! Keep up the great videos. U have awesome stuff!
Hmm over here we have gopro hero 8 for 339€ and SMO 4k for 249€ so for me we're looking at 90€ difference in price instead of $10. But regardless they are not really competing. The weight is the main thing with this camera imo. I mean sure you can strip a gopro but that is a lot of hazzle, while this is a ready product.
Finally a review instead of vlogity mashed up with hexa i dont care about!;-) Thanks so much for it! Probably going to get it, just couse they recognize FPV community and that have to be rewarded. Getting each new runcam camera for exactly same reason as for hobby purposes its "just good enought" and my money goes to someone who actually recognizes our hobby.
Man I just want a Session 10 : ( GoPro please
You can lock the insta360 shutter speed if you connect to the phone app. Also there is a go pro 8 naked camera on the market. That would be a good comparison.
For how much I crash, I need the GoPro ✈💥🤯
Yeah that's my problem too, if I'd had either of these I'd have lost a lot of money the other week when my quad ended up in a lake, as it was I only lost the battery.
@@jibbajabba4597 That's like losing a pet you love 🌊 RIP: FB, PDB, receiver, you were terminated in your prime!
Thanks for this head to head comparison!
Thanks for swapping Left and Right sides during the video. Helps to see the difference greatly, and I always wished all the comparison videos do this. Great review as always.
This may be premature, but I'm wondering if you have any connections in the battery world that can shed some insight on all this new hype around the next gen of solid state batteries, particularly with respect to quad issues like thermal properties, weight, power density, weight, ability to produce high amp discharge, expected number of power cycles, lifetime reduction from storing fully charged, cost, yadda yadda...I know a lot of this is not know but with all your knowledgeable contacts I think slot of people would be really interested to know what our quads might've able to do with this new gen of batteries. There's some info out there with respect to it's usage in cars but obviously quad power needs are probably different in important ways. Probably too early for such a request, but just a thought...
I'm constantly researching it but I'm not confident we're going to see anything like that in our field for a while. I can't even find any other manufacturer making the fat tesla cells with the tabless design and old chemistry.
Questions about aio. You have them custom made so you would know. Why is newbee drone the only small aio to make them 12amp? Is it actually 12amp? Is the fpvcycle 6amp because you can't pull 12 on 1s or something? Just curious
When you get that small, the amperage is governed more by the actual PCB itself than the FETs and other components used. They may have used 12a FET's but it wont do anything near 12a. At least it doesn't for me
Is the Hero8 being stripped done and made lighter? I thought it was only the Hero 6. Great review, other than the fact that you are comparing a 30g stripped down camera to a 120+g full Hero 8. These cameras would be flown on completely different quads, with the Hero 8 being a slight stretch to add to a powerful 3" quad. So, am I missing something? Or, wouldn't this be a better comparison with the Hero6 stripped down version? Then it would be apples to apples, but as is, it is a stripped down Smo 4k 30g, being compared to a stock Hero8, at 120+grams.
If you are intent at comparing these as is, and not both stripped down, I feel the SMO 4K is the clear winner here. Obviously because it can be flown on nearly ANY quad over, let's say, 75 - 85mm.
IMO, a better comparison would have been with the Hero6 stripped down model. Which one has to do themselves, take the very real chance of ruining it, where as the SMO 4K comes ready to go from the factory... WITH A WARRANTY! Add to that the fact that Insta360 actually is recognizing the FPV hobby and has now produced its second camera for us, where Gopro discontinued the Session, even after much pleading from our community! Thanks Insta360! 🤔😎🤘🎅🎄☃️
yes people are stripping the hero 8 too as far as I can tell. I go over this at the end as well. The title of the video even says "even comparable?". At the end of the day, if you're looking for the best quality footage, it's going to come from a gopro and not this isnta360 camera. So you can make whatever accommodations to get that gopro quality if that's what you're after. Otherwise, this is suitable for anyone that's okay with the quality you get from it. Also, the warranty is just that, a warranty. It's not insurance. The gopro can be gotten with a square trade or best buy warranty that will cover actual breaking the camera from crashing and smashing. The best buy warranty is literally free because they refund you the warranty amount as well if you go in and exchange it. Square trade can probably be gotten on the SMO too maybe.
50fps or 60fps with a 1/60 shutter will have natural motion blur and look good. Try it sometime. The 180-degree guideline is trash based on a lie and tailored for low frame rates (24/25) anyway.
Check out my latest video. I show this exactly. I just couldn't do it before I got the latest GoPro. Also on my Instagram. Looks incredible
What do you think about the SMO versus a naked GoPro? Is it good enough that it's not worth tearing one down?
I'd do the teardown if I really needed the low weight
Dude, I'll watch your videos even though I can't stand cineaduct drones.
Well... The fair comparison would be with a naked GoPro, Bob. Because this is a naked Insta360.
Other than that... It really depends on what you're going to do with the recording. Is it for TV or cinema? Then forget even the GoPro. But if it's for RUclips... Doesn't it really makes a difference?
Anyway... Happy holidays! And stay safe there! 🖖😊
Thanks a lot for the time and effort that went into this side by side comparison!
For me, GoPro is still a winner but it is nice to have a company challenging them.
Insta360 SMO: bit.ly/38qHTfI
Table of Contents:
00:00 - Intro
01:11 - Side by side raw comparison
02:53 - Distortion correction of SMO
04:03 - RSGo vs Flowstate
05:35 - Horizon lock of RSGo
06:52 - The camera itself
09:03 - Full screen Insta360 w/Flowstate
09:39 - Full Screen Hero8 w/RSGo
I meant to say shutter speed limit, not lock. It has a shutter speed lock. I want to allow it to go below 1/60 if it chooses to.
Hero 8 settings:
4:3 4k/30 Wide
1/60 max shutter (not locked, can go lower)
Auto ISO
GoPro color
ND filter: bit.ly/36IjSkN
Insta360 SMO settigns:
4:3 4k/30 Widest angle
Normal colors
Otherwise default
The Quad:
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Hej Bob,
At 8:21 you show a whoop with pusher props. Much like the EMAX Tinyhawk. I am contemplating about buying a TinyHawk II whoop for my birthday (end of January), but now I have seen this whoop and wonder whether this is a better option.
I have watched your TinyHawk II review (ending 200 mW) many times and like the comments about the pusher configuration and the flatness in Z-direction resulting in good balance. I have planned to buy one, do the XT30 mod and use the same 1S 520 mAh batteries that I have for the excellent BabyTooth.
Can you please comment the name of this whoop at 8:21 or the chassis name if it is available? I would need to investigate whether this is good for me or the TinyHawk II.
Thank you!
@@donphobos that one is from namelessRC. I'm not a huge fan of this overall class of quad that's high powered to carry an exploded gopro. There's high risk of something burning or breaking. I'm rather impatient and can't deal with so much maintenance. But if you're good, you don't end up with much failure
@@Kabab Thank you!
I live in Sweden and on the West Coast it is raining a lot. I have thought to get a whoop for flying indoors mainly, no GoPro, just DVR.
I am actually a big fan of DVR, my childhood dream was to have some kind of camera on an RC plane and some television set to see what the camera can view. That was in the 80's in Hungary, time and technology has evolved since then... :-D
I will look at the whoop then and see whether it is any idea to "marry" your 1S board and BabyTooth electric machines with such a whoop frame and then use them on 1S. The benefit would be to able to cherry pick a good FPV camera on it (your new camera would be a strong contender).
Maybe I am just overengineering this project yet again, and just buying a TinyHawk 2, converting it to XT30 and just fly on 1S would be the best for my indoor application :-)
Thank you for taking time for my silly question, I am a big fan of your work and projects. Keep up the great work.
@@Kabab found it! FullSpeedRC Tinypusher.
Hi Kabab,
As FPV camera, what do you prefer ?
Caddx Peanut or SMO 4K ?
THANKS
The peanut as an HD cam. Neither one is that good unfortunately but at least the peanut is small
When I first saw the price of the insta and then it's performance I couldn't help but feel super dissapointed tbh...
Yep. That was the point of this video. A GoPro session 5 is better imo.
I have both cams and the clarity of the hero8 is so much better if you turn quality to high. The insta360 flowstate is much better then hypersmooth
Hey I had to say something positive about the SMO 😅. The comment just before you literally says 'kind of disagree. Ordered an SMO' despite the evidence seen in my video right in their face. Can only lead a horse to water... 🤷🏻♂️
@@Kabab I understand completely... J/S I did find the image quality is close to hero5. Might be worth making a comparison video with its actual matching cam quality 🤣
Can you now do this comparison with the hero6 because for a lot of us this is a sort of competator with the naked hero6 with reelsteady
H6 and H8 are very similar in quality. You will certainly get more performance from an H6 and it's gonna be much cheaper too
agreed
I just bought one SMO4K and even not being at the level of a GoPro, DAM it's a awesome camera right out of the box with only 30grams! I paid 197€ ... I can't even get my hands on a used GoPro for 200€ and if I did I have to spend more money on the naked case e then risk to wreck the GoPro while making it a naked camera... It's a no brainer! ... Note: And with the history of constant firmware and software updates from Insta360 crew I know we'll see great features being added to the system.. This is just the beginning! ;)
Smo is cheaper gopro u must buy 100buck for reelsteady
The H8 in America is roughly the same price these days in stores.
Nice cam. But a huge face it has for its weight... Should be more the shape of a GoPro session or Runcam...
No doubt.. when i using gopro6, and gopro8, its different, even both of them looks amazing with reelsteadyGo, then this competitor coming, i think, oh my gosh.. should i sell my naked gopro6? Then this video makes me realize... the price in gopro came with something more good.
Kind of disagree. Ordered the SMO 4K
the gopro is 500$ the SMO is 200$, is it worth the extra 300$???
Back then they were about the same price. Also, to me, yes the GoPro is worth the extra money for sure. The footage from the smo looks like trash side by side without RUclips compression. It depends on what you're looking for however. Many will find the smo great or an upgrade from whatever they're using. It's just not a replacement for a GoPro.
Imagine a decased improved insta360 go
Yeah that would be frikin awesome! Could straight up go on tiny whoops
best review I seen so far , not sure about the form factor of the insta ...If Gopro could only bring back an updated version of the session ( with replaceable batteries) . I noticed people having issue with jello on the insta on larger quads, well no wonder if you only attach it with that mounting point , the thing would just flop from side to side at higher speed ...
Honestly the part that has me the most interested is that it is powered off of the LiPo. It can be a pain having to charge a bunch of GoPro batteries, or in my case, having a Session means having to have several sessions to record in HD all day. I think I'm willing to take a hit on overall quality for this convenience. I wish it was closer to $200
You can just buy a usb cable that plugs into a lipo for gopro and ditch the battery and battery door. It's about 25g lighter then.
@@Kabab Whattttt! How'd I not know that was a thing? Do you have a link? Also will that work with session?
@@jakeh3144 I prefer to run a battery because I'm lazy but it's definitely typical and just a bit of googling will likely yield you details pretty quick
I think with what gopro is currently doing with its software/app which is affecting many who have stripped theirs down like the smo 4k I've decided to buy the Smo 4k instead of gopro as my first proper action camera for my Hexplorer LR they seem to be supporting the community and I'll support them. :-)
As a knee jerk reaction I immediately ordered the SMO but after watching the this and other quality comparisons I decided to return it unopened. I already have a naked GoPro8. I was hoping this would do just as well but I just don't think it will cut it for what I do.
Last night I just bought a used GP8 for $200. I'll just risk it and strip it down for my second Cinewhoop.
Ive been frustrated with the action camera market since it started, with a few exceptions that never gained traction. GoPro has been the frat boy whose parents bought his way into college then stumbled into a minimal effort six figure white collar job straight out of undergrad, sure theyve shown up but theyve never done the work. They have made truly infantile incremental advancements that require the bare minimum of creativity or innovation. Ive never been a fan of Gopro as a company or the design solutions they have produced. In terms of image quality and stabilization Sony had them beat five years ago but Gopro's name recognition held on and Sony did a terrible job of winning market share and seemingly abandoned the segment (RX0II is not within this segment.)
Well done Bob. But also a naked gopro hero does exist, they just dont sell them pre-assembled. I've built a few naked gopros at this point and it's about a 30 minute process if you know what you're doing.
Right.
Smo lighter than gopro, and better in low light conditions. For me, it's an absolut win for the smo, I'll never use gopro again :D
Are you paid by betafpv or something? Two other people said about the same sentiment when it's so clearly not true but whatever floats your boat
@@Kabab Yes! betafpv paid me 1 million dollar, and insta 360 another mill :D As I said, smo better in low lights, and lighter, thats all :)
@@butcher but the gopro is very very clearly better in low light 🤷🏻♂️
@@Kabab Ok I understand that for you it wasn't better than gopro, but for me, what I tried was better, I don't know how, I used the same 1/60 30fps 100iso 16nd setup and the smo result was better - for my eyes. I think it's could be a matter of taste. I commented this because I think it could help someone to make better decision from more opinions :)
The SMO looks amazing. If they could put this camera into the session form factor, they could kill Gopro's fpv market
And I'm still left wondering how efficient 5 blade props are..
not efficient at all. Every time I use them I don't like them and go back to the tri blades. I haven't found a better duct prop than the Gemfan 75mm triblade.
@@Kabab What about the 2.5" genfam 5 blade that just came out for the 95X V3, they seem to be more quiet, but i guess thats just because of lower rpm from more drag and mass.
@@TGMfpv more blades is always quieter and less efficient
@@Kabab Why would it be quieter AND less efficient? I thought the lowered efficiency was caused by the props generating more sound instead of more thrust (?)
@@townc2824 it's just a theory but I believe it's quieter because you just don't need or get the same rpm on the blades. I don't know why it's higher pitch however. Something about how the vortecies interact off each blade with the next one behind it. It's less efficient because there's a whole other blade you need to drag through the air.
Wow, best comparison review!
Hey...you know what’s be awesome...if you did a follow-up review of your 30mm motors. I’m not sure whether it’d be weird doing a review if your own motors...anyway, it’s been a while since you introd them and I’m wondering if you’d been bashing them lately to get a better idea of their characteristics. Anyway, good shit man...
Planning on it when it stops raining. The new DAL fold 7 we carry is excellent on them with the new hub that doesn't explode
I like my Insta360 one x, but the GoPro obviously won this comparison.
Unrelated to this video but just wanna put this out there. A babytooth spec racing league would be so fun.
Hoping that happens when all the new parts are finally here
Costco has a sale on the GoPro 8 for 230$ ish
You Americans have it so good. In the UK a season is £150 = ~$200😂
Thank you so much for this review. In our community we had a big discussion about it and I agree 1000% with you.
so tldr: if you add a nd16 filter the colors look different. thank you for that one, amazing.
Comparison to the Hero 6 or 7 would have been awesome. Hero 8 is easily 100 bucks more expensive.
The hero 8 is cheaper than the insta360 cam
@@Kabab How so? The Insta360 SMO is listed for 239.99 USD on Betafpv and your own Banggood link, the Hero 8 Black is listed for 337 USD on Amazon.
@@no-trick-pony bestbuy has it for $230 on promotion that actually just ended. It'll go on sale again. They also dropped the price on the SMO I believe
@@Kabab Ah! Okay. Sadly over here in Euro the two aren't even close. The best price for the Hero 8 here in the past 12 months was (converted to USD) 364 USD. I can get the insta360 for 239.99 USD though too. Used Hero 6 is roughly around the same price point as the insta360 here, even a used Hero 7 is more expensive sadly..
@@no-trick-pony 😔
Nice video. How long can the camera record in one piece? How many minutes to record? Greetings
One piece? You mean how did I do half half? Both cameras are recording at the same time during the same flight
@@Kabab hehe no, sorry my english is so bad. I meant how long is the record time from the smo? For example with the "insta360 GO" there is a limit from one minute. Is on the smo a record time limit too?
@@PS-so5zc it's not limited. It's limited to the memory card size
@@Kabab ah okay, alright thanks!
Good review, I'm in the market. Looks like Gopro despite the price.
Thanks Bob!
So I have been a Tesla fan since like 2013 and it is becoming very obvious that their is an overlap between great FPV pilots and Tesla ownership (Steele, Nurk, Ummagawd, Kabab)
Yes but it's also the only car that makes any sense anymore which is partly why the stock has exploded like madness crazy nothing we ever seen. 8x in 10mo.
gopro 8 footage is much sharper
Hard to see in youtube but when you blow up the raw video, the SMO is extremely sharp. The gopro is the same but sometimes the SMO is slightly better. But no matter the situation the gopro is the better option for quality
Where can you get those purple 5 bladed Gemfan 3" props? I need them!
They have the 76mmin purple but it's generally an inefficient prop. The triblade is a much better cinewhoop prop
Im leaning more towards the SMO over a GoPro because of weight, I can always clean up the footage afterwards a bit and help color grade in something like Filmora or Adobe AE.
Go with the more recent insta 360 go. It's almost as good as a gopro. It's actually better in some cases than gopro
is the lowlight of the smo comparable to the hero 6?
It's in the same ballpark but the hero is a little better
@@Kabab Was thinking the same thing, Thanks for the time brudda!
nice flight bro
congratulations and merry christmas
I'm disappointed in the color & lighting😑 of the insta360 naked. I know my insta360go has color plus when exporting and it usually looks better checking that box. Does the naked cam have that option? Even so it would be best to just have good saturation balance from raw but since they are listening hopefully an update can fix this
You CAN adjust a bunch of settings on the camera to get a picture you are more happy with.
@@pdmerritt good to know thanks
Is it possible to reconfigure insides of this camera into a cube shape? Like a session?
Possibly but it would be sort of really long cube which is annoying
1 inch sensor would be nice or a better use of the 360 lenses... Thanks for the doing the video comparison..
Im really hoping that the silver and blue version on the box is a 2.7k 180deg camera using just one of the one r 360 mods for that horizon lock and barrel roll possibility.
You can take 30g off the 8 with the IFlight cable mod. Works well.
yep. I hope it was clear that I wouldn't use the insta360 cam but it is a fantastic effort by them.
what I am surprised about is no one freestyled it to show the FOV in " FPV " mode with no stabilisation . so many reviews and no one is a freestyler
It's kinda intended for whoops. And stabilization works best when you're flying slow and smooth
@@Kabab yes it's what I understand , I think a naked Hero 8 with good 3D printed case will last longer for freestyle . I fly 3" quad only so naked gopro is mandatory for me ;)
You in Cali or Florida?
California
As far as I can see the GoPro8 is at least €100,- more expensive than the Insta here in the Netherlands...
In the US it's actually $10 cheaper than the insta
Did you have an issue with linking it to WiFi? I can’t get mine to link at all
The wifi actually did work for me magically
So naked Hero 8 is the way to go.
Got to make yourself though. And if you mess up and break it. Your out a camera. Kind of nice company is making it. It doesn't work exchange it
@@divingfalconfpv4602 High risk high reward. It you can solder an 30awg wire to an 16*16 fc u should be able to do it 90% safely.
water pick
Not a replacement for floss but way better than nothing.
What about hero 6 vs SMO !?
From the 6 to 8 it didn't change much. The 6 will still be better than the SMO
@@Kabab that's it 👍
I noticed significant rolling shutter in some parts of the footage from the Insta whereas the GoPro didnt. Bob, it's fair to assume the same number ND filter was being used on both? In regards to image sharpness, it would be great for everyone to push the manufacturers to make higher quality lenses for action cameras. There's no real reason why the Insta cant compete on image quality
It's not the lens that's the issue I believe. It's something to do with the sensor and the image processing. The ND's on both are indistinguishable density. Both ND16
@@Kabab In a previous Post you said, the gopro is build by yourself and you belive it is ND16 but could also but nd32... Testing cams with not the same Filters is biased...
nonsense
Please explain 🤗
I can edit colors but be nice to have gopro dynamic range. But that smo is only 30g. Insta go has horizon lock. Surprised one r doesn't
Insta go is a more of a 360ish cam. The colors and dynamic range can't be fixed on the insta smo. The detail information is missing and the shadow noise is high.
@@Kabab Hopin the silver/blue version is a 180deg 2.7k cam for horizon lock. Also wondering what this comarison would look like with both recorded in log and then post processed via the same luts/specs? Ive never been a fan of gopro color or how it deals with detail, always felt way too sharpened. Really wishing sony's action cam offerings took off and continued to be developed 5+ years ago. Maybe rx0II's are cheap enough by now a naked version wouldnt be unreasonable?
@@gvngoheavy wondering if that will be the 1" sensor
Gopro always wins especially wth he cheaper prices now
Apparently costco has the hero 8 for $230 now
Nice review!
Really appreciate how insta360 pay attention to this hobby.
However as hobbyist I'm happy with Hero8. Sure it a bit heavy in my 2.5" cinewhoop but I can deattach the internal battery to reduce weight and it fly well, also I can still use it for the other activities without worry because it's not "naked".
Just curious why insta360 adopting the "hero naked gopro" form factor instead adopting the "session naked gopro" which is more better in CG ?
The hero has much better image quality
@@Kabab Sure ... But I'm curious about the form factor. Are they need more time & RND to produce light weight "naked" action cam with flowstate/hypersmooth or whatever best stab. app. in CG/box shaped ?
@@gonebdg I actually talked about that in the video and cut it out because it was probably hurtful to the company. Most likely they adopted this form factor because of influence from betafpv. The playbook of these Chinese companies is usually to copy what's already popular. They're looking for free marketing. They don't think to change or innovative. They just want to mimic. It's really very sad that they feel they must do such a thing but it also shows that they're not interested in the actual market. Only pulling money from the market. Insta360 is actually pretty innovative imo but betafpv is just another copy cat company. They could have made the form factor more beneficial for everyone...
@@Kabab I see ... :)
@@Kabab copy or not. SMO is the only "naked" camera that you can buy everywhere at good price. Gopro don't pay attention to the naked camera market. Then you can only buy because of this "copy".
Nice comparison!
Have you tried the other color settings on the smo 4k to compare? Colorplus would probably make for a closer comparison.
The vivid color option is actually worse. It washes out more of the detail in colors when light/dark.
@@Kabab I see, thanks. LOG + color grading might be the only way to compete with gopro’s out of the box quality then?
@@geehe the issue is that there is lacking detail in the SMO. You can adjust all you like, it won't look like a GoPro.
yooooooooooooooo where'd u get those dope props bruh?!
fpvcycle.com/products/gemfan-ducted-penta-blade-five-blade-props-76mm-3-prop-lemon-yellow-2cw-2ccw?_pos=1&_sid=ce832546c&_ss=r
Is it me or did anyone notice insta 360 videos are bit choppy ?
I talk about that at the end. It's because of a lack of shutter speed limit. It's operating between 1/60 and 1/120 mostly in this setting. At 1/120 it looks choppy. I always limit my GoPro to 1/60 so it doesn't get choppy
@@Kabab And everybody was telling that you could lock the shutter speed? Cant you?
Did you use same degree nd-filters for both camera ?
The one that comes with the SMO says it's an ND16. The one I put on my GoPro I developed myself and it's supposed to be an ND32 but it's more like 16. Holding both up to the sun, they look very similar in density.
@@Kabab Assumptions about nd 32 or 16 is not objektive
smo 4k had horizon lock now?
I dunno if they added it. The stabilization isn't really that useful on the smo to begin with
@@Kabab really? the footage you're showing us looks good from both cameras, I just think the way the smo deals with colours and light is the problem (just by observation), does it have a flat profile?
"The stabilization isn't really that useful on the smo to begin with" sounds like you're saying the opposite in the video, that insta360's way of stabalising is superior.
@@zacjohnson8404 the stabilization from RSGo is so superior and dynamic to tune for the video clip that it makes the GoPro hero and SMO built in stabilization options not even worth considering. (I consider the SMO stabilization as built in even though it's not). Sure it's better than nothing, most of the time but also somewhat useless compared to RSGo. The good news is that there is a way to use RSGo with the SMO camera too. It's just a little more cumbersome. Look at Albert Kim's channel for a how to. Overall the image quality on the SMO is quite a bit more limited than anything GoPro as well. You can't tell so much here but in post processing it's very very obvious. Ultimately if your requirements aren't high and the quality is good enough then it's fine.
@@Kabab that's a damn shame, we're so close to a perfect camera
can you not adjust sharpness and exposure settings or even colour in the smo insta360 app? that oversharpened look makes the image quality look cheap like a low bitrate yet the camera puts out 100mbps and it alays looks over exposed which is basically deleting information from the image.
do a teeth flossing how to for christmas!
I already have 😅
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@@Kabab ty
We can only hope GoPro makes a small version of the 9 or newer, that’d be great. In the trailer when they released the 9 the first clip was on an Fpv drone so hopefully they see us needing a smaller/ lighter version
The smo will be a little below 300 usd, while the hero8 still is 480 usd over here in sweden...
I got the SMO for 200usd shipped to Switzerland, so no comparison to the gopro8 in price range. Insta360 SMO clear winner, guess he is a gopro fanboy
Idk why anyone would buy this tho man !
Company built high quality light camera. Only 30g. Not 128g. Flywoo sold a naked hero 7 but don't know if they still are.
And they only selling this new with warranty for $240
What about durability? Has to be closer to a deceased GoPro than a stock hero 8, right? You slam a miniquad with that on there is gonezo
Edit: de-cased not deceased hahah
It's probably equally as durable as the exploded gopro. I didn't crash this one.
@@Kabab send it my way I'll crash it for you reeeeeaaall quick 😅