i think terra blade being this strong is good for the game… it’s a game-defining sword that everyone knows about and that has a huge crafting tree. it’s good that it’s not underwhelming both visually and practically
@@mcfucknugget2673 idk it does seem very weird that basically every post-Plantera melee weapon is left in the dust because the Terra Blade is just better, even with single targets it outperforms Influx Waver, a sword thats only available later in progression thats specifically made for single targets. Other weapons at least need a buff
@@CrimsonClaws i agree with u that it outperforms a lot of weapons that come later but who cares? if ur so far in meta-discussions to not see why THE TERRABLADE deserves this Power why bother.
@@mcfucknugget2673 i agree with you, what's the problem of it being on the meta? it literally almost have the name of the game on the sword, if it was a bad weapon it would be strange
I do think the Terra Blade is busted but I also like it because there isn't much progression left post-golem anyways and it's thematic, maybe the event swords could get a revamp to fill some new niche tho. Also agreed on Nebula Pillar being the most annoying, the attacks are fairly hard to dodge and they hit like a truck even using beetlee armor.
I think they should keep the Terra blade strong. It's such an iconic weapon, but has been underwhelming for a while. If they need anything, I think it should be the point in progression you get it at. Even then, I think of it as a post-golem weapon, because I almost always go straight to golem from plantera.
@@paweswierczek6265 honestly I didn't know they buffed it in 1.4.1. I was likely thinking about pre-buff blade. I do still think my point stands, as the last portion of the game is such a boss rush that the Terra blade would get outclassed quickly by other weapons. Or that's how I always felt about it, at least
@@sylokthedefiled7650 i mean, it has a significantly harder crafting tree than pretty much every sword that comes after it. i think that warrants a good amount of strength. influx waver is just handed to you by some aliens, and so are all the other swords that come after terrablade plus, its named after the game. why wouldnt it be strong?
I think melee's a lot more appealing now with so much updated to it, the pre-HM progression is a lot more manageable if anything Kinda fun to see what I can look forward to depending on how quickly I push through my current melee playthrough of Calamity (currently about ready to go at the Wall, I made some attempts at the Aquatic Scourge but the 2nd phase introduces a bit too much variability to reliably make headway right now), I just haven't worked on it lately due to college plus my desire to do an art project alongside said playthrough as I collect more parts for the Zenith
Yeah I too wish they made Influx Waver and Flying Dragon more on par with Terra blade, maybe also giving them a benefit on melee speed. But yeah I just love how good melee it's now, since it's my favorite class to play with mods I love all the reworks.
Flying has two major advantages 1. Is infinite piercing alongside a lower pierce penalty and 2. A much higher dps with the two downsides being 1. A much slower projectile and 2. A much smaller projectile. As for Influx it just has slightly higher dps but slower and smaller and can only hit multiple targets if they're on top of each other.
The flying dragon is on par with the terra blade. You just need to actually be within melee range to make use of its *much* higher damage. That’s the trade off, lower range and a smaller and slower projectile for MUCH greater DPS. On my last melee play through, the Flying Dragon would shred bosses and events so long as I stayed close.
about strongest class: I feel the classes are somewhat nicely balanced. Ranger is the easiest to not die with just because of how most bosses and enemies work, but the other classes are capable of mad dps numbers if you're willing to take risks. Looking at you, full emblem mage. About Terra Blade being the way it is - it's alright being a bit stronger than other on-tier weapons, but imo right now it's overshadowing all the other options. One of my favorite weapons in the game, the Horseman Blade, gets near the terra blades' dps numbers, but being a true melee weapon, the risk is just not worth using it in actual fights over the terra blade. It's ok that it's easy to use and does big dps numbers - but there should be a reward for choosing higher risk weapons.
I'm so glad the Terra blade is this good, it has such a cool crafting tree, and before it got outclassed by the influx waver immediately which felt so wrong in my opinion.
I still think Ranger is the most powerful due to just the range. Yeah there's more ranged Melee weapons, but you can easily do Duke Pre-Mech with a ranger loadout.
I felt the pumpkin sword had better true melee dps and the flying dragon is nice for wall penetration, think more reworks for more weapons will always be welcome
At moon lord level, ranger is still strongest. I did an every-class playthrough where I beat all bosses with every class, and vortex beater + chlorophite bullets still kills moon lord with zero risk to the player. Ranger OP
@@IcyFlame0 yeah, the other guy put it best. Also, no reason to really care about what’s best post-moon lord because at that point you should be able to beat every enemy in the game.
I'm trying to do master mode for the worthy melee only, and I'm post golem to the time I'm writing this. Awesome content and thank you for being an interesting terraria RUclipsr that I love watching.
For me since 1.4 the daybreak is the best weapon to fight with moonlord. It just melts him. It is easier to aim with the ufo btw for those who are wondering. I will give ranger a try but melee really is my favourite. ipre 1.4.4 i aways used the terra blaid on bosses like gole, fishron and lunatic, but now that it deals less damage i don't know if it's really that much better than rangers. I haven't played 1.4.4 yet (just taking a break from the game) but i will definetly consider trying the changes. maybe i'll wait for mods first though(alchemist veinminer and other quality of life). Btw you are an amazing youtuber. Keep it up.
I think mages are the most powerful class in the game, the sheer amount of options including spells,wands,books ,staffs, and prism. Along with constant and pure damages it provides with the last prism being able to kill moonlord in under 3mins (my personal record) and of course it looks cool as hell
I think glass cannon is the strongest class pre moonlord since max stardust dragon can do up to 700 damage per hit and more with kaleidoscope. Just requires dodging skills. Killed moonlord in under a minute
When I did my melee run I actually opted to use the terra blade over the solar eruption on moon lord because it is so much easier to get the damage in and from further away.
The days of influx waver just being the terra blade but better are over. Still a little weird to me, though, that a post-golem weapon is objectively inferior to one you can obtain post-plantera.
I feel like Influx waver and Flairon are better with damage and starlight is completely unaffected by attack speed since the sword doesn't do damage the projectile (which is constant) deals it all, so I feel like it was too optimal for Terra Blade and not enough for the others.
8:40 I think personally from what I’ve experienced. Once you enter hard mode based on strength alone summoner is one of the best. Yes frail as sticks, and bad pre hard mode experience, but once it’s hard mode, you hit the ground running. Especially if you’re good at dodging boss attacks. I.e. being able to dodge all of the daytime EoL’s attacks pre-golem, gets you the terraprisma, which is crazy strong. Aside from that I think melee is on top all around, both in versatility and all round gameplay experience
The debate over whether solar pillar or nebula pillar is more annoying entirely depends on class choice. For any other class but ranger, nebula is easily the more annoying of the two. But for ranger.. selenians exist. Enough said on that front I suppose.
New terra blade is just so sick I love it, and I wish they would make the other melee weapons good too because the terra blade just outshines them? LIke, even if the terra blade had less DPS in theory, it's just SO much easier to get hits with it that you end up vastly outclassing the DPS of any other melee weapon until you get like, a daybreak. The problem with melee has always been that it's hard to get consistent hits with it, which is why things like ranger and mage were so much better, but terra blade is actually quite easy to get hits with so obviously it'll become the best melee weapon. The other weapons NEED to be buffed or reworked because something like the influx weaver being this bad compared to terra blade is just sad. It's not the fault of the terra blade, old melee was just not that great for the most part. The only melee weapons that end up being better are solar eruption if you want to hit through blocks, day break for very long ranged (like during moon lord), or zenith (which hardly even counts). During pillars I preferred terra blade for crowd control over the solar flare, which is INSANE to think about considering solar eruption used to be my favorite weapon for crowd control. I did prefer day break for the moonlord fight because of range but once I got up close to any bosses I'd take terra blade any day.
Someone in the comments suggested homing capabilities for the Influx Waver, which sounds about right. Maybe the Flying Dragon could have some debuff you can apply with it, and obviously a bigger projectile.
I'd still have to say ranger is the best class in the game because of how consistently good it is. It deals long-range, consistent damage at any point in the game, even at the very start when other classes can't easily do that. The ammo system, while seeming like a drawback at first, is basically just a free source of extra damage and bonus effects that give the class a ton of versatility. Running out is rarely a concern either, considering NPCs sell ammo for almost every ranged weapon in the game, wooden arrows can be made quickly in large quantities when NPCs aren't available, and stacks now go up to 9,999. On top of all of that, ranger has good weapons readily available at literally every stage in progression, meaning it never hits those rough patches that other classes have to deal with. It doesn't have any shortage of good accessories, either. Melee, as we see in this video, can be taken to some crazy heights when you spend a lot of time and money getting all of the right accessories and getting the exact modifiers you want for them, especially post-Plantera. There's just one problem, which is that if you're already putting a lot of effort into getting a super optimized build, you'd get a way bigger payoff playing a summoner instead. Because of how minions slots are, it takes a fair bit of effort for summoner to catch up to the other classes, but if you really commit to stacking minion slots and squeezing as many damage bonuses out of your accessories as you can, you can end up outputting absolutely _insane_ DPS and clearing entire screens of enemies even in master mode without touching your keyboard. Nothing sums up the summoner class better than the Terraprisma itself: it's a lot of effort for a huge payout. I will give credit where it's due, though. The new Terra Blade is absolutely one of the strongest weapons for its tier in the entire game. I just don't think having one crazy good weapon is enough to make a class the best one in the game, especially when melee didn't particularly struggle post-Plantera even before the buff.
Maybe they should also add a buff like this to all classes before ending the updates to terraria They should add a special ablility for certain weapons like if the terrablade hits somthing 200 times or like does 50k dmg you do like a big huge slash that does amazing dmg bc that would be cool
As someone who primarily uses Summoner Class over anything else. (Even when I attempt other playthroughs) I have found that the Summoner Class not only is easy to use, but ABSOLUTELY SHREDS events, bosses, farming, and regular enemies. Especially since you can fight the Pumpkin Moon AND Empress of Light after Plantera, it gives the Summoner Class endgame options before both Duke Fishron and Golem... A full Menacing build is risky, yes, but can easily surpass 6k average damage once you wear full Tiki or Spooky with the Kaleidoscope and either the Desert Tiger Staff (For single target) or the Terraprisma. Summoner has had the most buffs, and changes out of all the updates in my opinion, and even can compare to the Zenith, does not surpass it though, and is weaker, but compares to it. Besides, you can pretty much cap out the dmg before fighting moonlord too
After getting Terra yesterday, I can confidently say that it makes the game a lot more fun. It sucks how much you need to use single target weapon or spread weapons like Daedlus bow. Then you finally get Terra and everything becomes a lot faster and more fun
Terra Blade and Christmas Tree Sword are my go-to options. Christmas Tree shreds Duke Fishron and other fast bosses, Terra Blade is good for all-purpose use.
The thing about trying to determine what's the strongest class is that it's kinda hard to answer unless you experiment with every possible playstyle at every stage of the game for each of the four classes. Honestly might make for an interesting video, maybe?
That and aside from challenge runs, no one runs a single class. Especially pre-hardmode it's trivial to shift. It's nearly encouraged at certain points (for example Necro armor and hand gun in the dungeon, or molten/volcano in the underworld). The fact is, at certain points in the game certain "classes" are just better. Once a meteor drops, you gain access to meteor bullets and the star cannon, but also the metro armor and the space gun. Vs. a phase blade for melee? That's what I'm saying. It's far better to switch classes when you find better gear than to ever restrict yourself to one class, and even species out as a (pre-hardmode) wizard you'd be crazy not to carry a minishark and a decent sword. ...and then there's the fact that you can always use summons for free damage.
@@purplehaze2358 missed the part where I said "outside of challenge runs." Kinda doing the heavy lifting there. Tell me, why would you limit yourself to only using, say, magic or ranged attacks and not (per the example given) for example having a summon, or switching to the storm bow to rek the destroyer?
So without looking at the video, dont worry I will watch it. To answer the question of the title. In my personal playthrough I have found that the Terra Blade is by far the best pre-moon lord weapon to use. Until Meowmere or Star's Wrath. Pros: Massive AoE that makes it hard to miss, Good damage, Can work with atk speed modifiers, pierces. Cons: Range can be somewhat short against Moon Lord. And honestly that is in my opinion at least the only Con to the weapon. The range of it can be short which can make it hard to dodge stuff at times. In some moonlord fights people tend to go with the good ol strat (Myself included) Of using Asphalt and booking it while flinging your weapon back towards the boss. With the Terra blade's range this becomes increasingly harder to do. So you need to better manage your distance to do damage, but also will run a risk of getting hit more often. But the damage is solid, the AoE to it makes it incredibly hard to miss. You can pierce the eyes so you can hit the hand and top eye at the same time. You can see the weapon kinda like a Mini Zenith in this regard.
I have not done a playthrough of every class, but I kind of have an idea of how each one ranks. 1. Ranger is probably still the best just because of the way it works. 2. I’m gonna say magic, but melee could be better now 3. Melee is definitely up there after the buff. I’m doing a master mode, spears only playthrough right now. I’m post golem and I literally have just tanked my way through every boss fight. I use warding on everything and all the best damage reduction gear I have. I have 135 defence with buffs during a fight, plus worm scarf, beetle armour damage reduction, brain of confusion, master ninja gear, and star viel. I almost can’t die. 4. Summoning. I think it was definitely 3rd place before the melee buff. Summoning is completely viable and also one of the strongest classes in some points in the game.
a flairon and starlight buff is what I think the game needs, this will make flairon be best for single target, terrablade for multi and starlight for close range
I think melee is the best class at certain stages of the game, but ranger is a more consistent class overall. You will never struggle at any point in the game using ranger, compared to melee which has several stages of the game where it gets a little tough, 1.4.4 definitely improved its consistency though it was WAY worse before.
Terra blade probably feels so strong since it's pretty much the only melee weapon you were using that benifeted from melee speed. Influx waver and the other projectile swords have an internal cooldown on their projectiles (the majority of your damage) while terrablade doesn't. So terrablade is 28% better than your other options just from the accessories being melee speed instead of damage or crit chance.
for the pillars. easy to hard: stardust - solar - nebula - vortex. the new terrablade SHREDS solar. as long as you dont fly and have a slight hill, they literally can not reach you. for stardust, grab some cells, move up and away and your done. nebula is annoying, but they dont hit that much and hard (easier to dodge). vortex is the worst bc you have HARD enemies that HIT HARD as well. (the evolved ones).
Have you tried Christmas Tree Sword vs Duke Fishron? For me it was doing tons of damage since he runs right into the ornaments, lots more than terra blade without speed build.
Terra blade is better than the other options because it's the only melee projectile weapon in the game where the projectile scales off the true melee speed, for all other items (Ex. Influx Waver, True Night's Edge) only the true melee attack scales off of melee speed (starlight is an exception because the spinning light effect counts as a true melee hit) Glove stacking with Terra blade is a very strong strategy, especially using some Menacing reforges as well, balancing between Critical Strike, Damage% and Melee speed should make Terra blade absolutely nuts.
Sucks they overtuned a post-plantera sword to the point it can carry you to ml, but didn't overhaul the Influx Weaver or Keybrand, two late-game swords who could definitely use it a lot more then Terra Blade, especially now. Not like its that hard with getting an eclipse with tablets either so Influx Weaver is pretty much obsolete now.
0:39 The starlight is the best pre-moon lord saw Simply because of its speed and damage yes it has like 33-60% of the range of the terribly but that is irrelevant when you consider the fact that those like 4-5x the damag because of the speed
the terra blade is the sword of the hero, named after the game it makes sense for it to be good. influx waver should be better for single targets though
Terra Blade is the most versatile and useful weapon in the game until you get the Zenith. Not only does it have good single target damage but with the new rework it can cut down hordes with ease and will never miss unless you have shit aim. The Starlight though I have seen does way more DPS but is much harder to use, nevertheless though it was my go to weapon during the Moonlord fight when I was aiming to deal high damage because the predictability of Moonlords movement allowed me to use the Starlight effectively, and then switch to the Terra Blade whenever I needed to back off to dodge some attacks, mostly the Deathray. The Terra Blade is the best but it does not outperform every other weapon in every other category.
If you have good aim then daybreak is quite nuts pre-moon lord. Doesn't clear events as fast as terra blade but it just melts all bosses. I was usually using these two on switch.
This is honest issue I have of the terra blade, it's just too good a weapon for something you can get immediately after Plantera. Sure, it is RNG of getting an eclipse but still. It could easily carry you all the way to Moon Lord, while also squashing events. It makes all other melee weapons kinda obsolete.
I think it’s fine, it’s such an iconic weapon that it definitely deserves it’s time in the spotlight, besides, you can get tsunami right at the start of hard mode, although it could do with a bit of a nerf, or maybe buff the other melee weapons
i think most classes are pretty even by now, even summoner with whips. the zenith is still the end-all-be-all, but otherwise, you can use most classes pretty evenly.
man, i was innocent four month ago. summoner is INSANE. i did a WHIP ONLY build and it equaled a pure DPS range build. (yes, you read that right. no summons. only whip) melee is decent. mage could be better, but overall. i would say range and summoner are slightly stronger.. most of the times.
Ranger in multiplayer is realy strong if you can stand still and use the shroom buff all the time, otherwise melee is by far the strongest tankyness and dmg are insane.
Most don't play Post-Moonlord, but in my melee run I found Meowmere to feel amazing with the local immunity frame changes on the wave events. It was also the first weapon after a long while that was actually better than Terrablade all around. Just had to beat the game to surpass it.
I think the terra blade buff is cool, but it broke progression. Influx waver, being acquired 2 or 3 bosses later, should not be worse. Same with the betsy sword. The only two options for melee for endgame is starlight and terra blade
Influx waver was really done dirty, i would personally buff its projectile amount so it shoots out 3 blades instead of one, allowing it to have great crowd control and and really high damage if you hit all the blades, probably lower it base damage a little so not too strong Imagine turning enemies into a ball of blades XD
@@ebenezer-scrooge I did think of that too, it would also lean into high tech theme, it could even have some Flavor text like “This is my Smart Sword!” XD Little worried that would make possessed Hatchet useless and Terrablade damage is so guaranteed its practically better then homing XD Would need to increase the projectile speed for this too work
one time i was fighting the empress during the day and she did that thing where she puts a line and shoots a projectile in that line.... and it ended up wiping out half of my villagers.
frankly i think there should be more buff or reworks to other melee weapons after the terrablade, because what's the point of using any other weapon when you have a high speed aoe projectile that scales with melee speed? like the closest weapon mechanically is the flying dragon and it doesnt even compare. also fun fact but starlight gets no benefit from attack speed, so it's better to go for raw damage and crit chance
IMO the strongest class is summoner, it does more damage than zenith with a pre-moonlord build (stardust dragon and firecracker) plus it's really good at other points, too melee is a close second though, with the new weapon reworks it's kind of busted
I'm kinda mixed on it... I'm genuinely happy that it's so strong. It's a sword that you need to combine all the other swords into and I genuinely love items like that... and I think that starlight challenging it's damage is the right direction. For melee to damage they should be in *melee* range. Letting a class that has that much bulk play cowardly just seems like a big fat no to me. So i'm kinda fine with a sword like influx waver fall behind unless they rework that akin to the other swords. Maybe becoming this slow but heavy hitting buster sword? I also feel like we are kinda seeing a diffrent in their balance mindset with these weapons aswell. the weapons that weren't touched upon much get absolutely nothing from your melee speed build. And that's why melee speed hasn't been as prevalent as it is now with terrablade. But it's also probably due to melee becoming more of a pseudo magic/ ranger class later on aswell. Things like keybrand though... now that could definitely use more. It has a strong effect but it's effective range basicly kills it on bosses. Melee balance as a whole in terraria is just a rabbit hole. Most bosses hover outside of genuine melee ranges. Calamity tries to remedy this by not only boosting true melee damage, but also increasing the size of melee weapons. although it to eventually falls into magic that's shaped like a melee weapon... In order to properly make melee balanced/ fun they would need to revisit a number of mechanics and behaviors. If terra blade a sword that requires you to horde every sword in your story ends up being the best... I'm fine with it, and I feel like most would be too since people have a soft spot for it. We have accessories that can push through to hard mode and beyond. I mean hell why is ahnk shield so strong despite the time you can craft it in the game?
i think terra blade being this strong is good for the game… it’s a game-defining sword that everyone knows about and that has a huge crafting tree. it’s good that it’s not underwhelming both visually and practically
Terrablade being oo is not goot because it ruins progression
@@fiftytwo_ny L opinion
@@mcfucknugget2673 idk it does seem very weird that basically every post-Plantera melee weapon is left in the dust because the Terra Blade is just better, even with single targets it outperforms Influx Waver, a sword thats only available later in progression thats specifically made for single targets. Other weapons at least need a buff
@@CrimsonClaws i agree with u that it outperforms a lot of weapons that come later but who cares? if ur so far in meta-discussions to not see why THE TERRABLADE deserves this Power why bother.
@@mcfucknugget2673 i agree with you, what's the problem of it being on the meta? it literally almost have the name of the game on the sword, if it was a bad weapon it would be strange
influx waver is for people who want to try old terra blade
"So.... you wanna rework the influx waver too?!?!?!"
"i want to use old terra blade"
-person who is in fact based
Influx Waver is just really good in general, and doesn’t require gimmicky attack speed builds to be good
gimmicky? i wouldn’t say it’s gimmicky… it just makes use of something that’s been overshadowed for a while because it’s niche
@@theunadulteratedpretzelits not based,its cope for 🧀
5:30 star light does NOT get affected by melee speed since it counts as projectiles
considering how short range it is it really should be affected honestly
11:25 the starlight's little light things don't actually benefit from it's attack speed, only the tiny shortsword
I thought the short sword part didn’t do damage
I don't know if it does, either way it's too short to hit anything with
Wow i didn't even know the starlight has 2 separate parts, the light beam/slash and the blade itself
I do think the Terra Blade is busted but I also like it because there isn't much progression left post-golem anyways and it's thematic, maybe the event swords could get a revamp to fill some new niche tho. Also agreed on Nebula Pillar being the most annoying, the attacks are fairly hard to dodge and they hit like a truck even using beetlee armor.
Not only does it excel against bosses, it absolutely shreds events
One thing i recall about starlight. its not affected by attack speed so menacing is better for it
I think they should keep the Terra blade strong. It's such an iconic weapon, but has been underwhelming for a while. If they need anything, I think it should be the point in progression you get it at. Even then, I think of it as a post-golem weapon, because I almost always go straight to golem from plantera.
When was it underwhelming? Definitely not after 1.4.1 buffs
@@paweswierczek6265 honestly I didn't know they buffed it in 1.4.1. I was likely thinking about pre-buff blade. I do still think my point stands, as the last portion of the game is such a boss rush that the Terra blade would get outclassed quickly by other weapons. Or that's how I always felt about it, at least
Being iconic isn't a good reason for it to overshadow almost every sword that is obtainable after it.
@@sylokthedefiled7650 i mean, it has a significantly harder crafting tree than pretty much every sword that comes after it. i think that warrants a good amount of strength. influx waver is just handed to you by some aliens, and so are all the other swords that come after terrablade
plus, its named after the game. why wouldnt it be strong?
@@vile8675 the only somewhat hard ingredient to obtain is broken hero sword, the rest is really easy
I think melee's a lot more appealing now with so much updated to it, the pre-HM progression is a lot more manageable if anything
Kinda fun to see what I can look forward to depending on how quickly I push through my current melee playthrough of Calamity (currently about ready to go at the Wall, I made some attempts at the Aquatic Scourge but the 2nd phase introduces a bit too much variability to reliably make headway right now), I just haven't worked on it lately due to college plus my desire to do an art project alongside said playthrough as I collect more parts for the Zenith
Yeah I too wish they made Influx Waver and Flying Dragon more on par with Terra blade, maybe also giving them a benefit on melee speed.
But yeah I just love how good melee it's now, since it's my favorite class to play with mods I love all the reworks.
They both ban deal more damage It is just much much harder to hit. Imo all swords projectiles should benefit from melee speed.
Flying has two major advantages 1. Is infinite piercing alongside a lower pierce penalty and 2. A much higher dps with the two downsides being 1. A much slower projectile and 2. A much smaller projectile. As for Influx it just has slightly higher dps but slower and smaller and can only hit multiple targets if they're on top of each other.
The flying dragon is on par with the terra blade. You just need to actually be within melee range to make use of its *much* higher damage. That’s the trade off, lower range and a smaller and slower projectile for MUCH greater DPS. On my last melee play through, the Flying Dragon would shred bosses and events so long as I stayed close.
about strongest class: I feel the classes are somewhat nicely balanced.
Ranger is the easiest to not die with just because of how most bosses and enemies work, but the other classes are capable of mad dps numbers if you're willing to take risks.
Looking at you, full emblem mage.
About Terra Blade being the way it is - it's alright being a bit stronger than other on-tier weapons, but imo right now it's overshadowing all the other options.
One of my favorite weapons in the game, the Horseman Blade, gets near the terra blades' dps numbers, but being a true melee weapon, the risk is just not worth using it in actual fights over the terra blade.
It's ok that it's easy to use and does big dps numbers - but there should be a reward for choosing higher risk weapons.
I'm so glad the Terra blade is this good, it has such a cool crafting tree, and before it got outclassed by the influx waver immediately which felt so wrong in my opinion.
Fun fact: Starlight is the only shortsword in the entirety of hardmode.
Moonlord since 1.4.4 now always drops 2 items I'm pretty sure.
All honesty, would love to see a lore update in the game.
I still think Ranger is the most powerful due to just the range. Yeah there's more ranged Melee weapons, but you can easily do Duke Pre-Mech with a ranger loadout.
True and you can defeat bosses without them getting close to you
ranger :communism:
Yeah with this play through it seemed like the only time he was dying was because he had to be on to of the boss. Before terra blade at least.
Just watched this series start to finish during my work day today - super fun to watch! Thanks for the awesome content, I subbed!
I felt the pumpkin sword had better true melee dps and the flying dragon is nice for wall penetration, think more reworks for more weapons will always be welcome
At moon lord level, ranger is still strongest. I did an every-class playthrough where I beat all bosses with every class, and vortex beater + chlorophite bullets still kills moon lord with zero risk to the player. Ranger OP
Pre-moon lord? Or post?
@@IcyFlame0 pre ofc because otherwise zenith lol
@@IcyFlame0 yeah, the other guy put it best. Also, no reason to really care about what’s best post-moon lord because at that point you should be able to beat every enemy in the game.
I used the terra blade for pillars because of its crowd control and just general amzingness
I'm trying to do master mode for the worthy melee only, and I'm post golem to the time I'm writing this. Awesome content and thank you for being an interesting terraria RUclipsr that I love watching.
As a summoner main, kinda weird hearing Gung diss so hard on my favorite class at the end of the video.
This feels like a classic 2015 gameplay video.
For me since 1.4 the daybreak is the best weapon to fight with moonlord. It just melts him. It is easier to aim with the ufo btw for those who are wondering. I will give ranger a try but melee really is my favourite. ipre 1.4.4 i aways used the terra blaid on bosses like gole, fishron and lunatic, but now that it deals less damage i don't know if it's really that much better than rangers. I haven't played 1.4.4 yet (just taking a break from the game) but i will definetly consider trying the changes. maybe i'll wait for mods first though(alchemist veinminer and other quality of life).
Btw you are an amazing youtuber. Keep it up.
Gungnir: "I don't know how I feel about Terrablade being this good"
Me: **stares longingly at Horseman's Blade**
Horseman's Blade is also top notch at crowd control.
I think mages are the most powerful class in the game, the sheer amount of options including spells,wands,books
,staffs, and prism. Along with constant and pure damages it provides with the last prism being able to kill moonlord in under 3mins (my personal record) and of course it looks cool as hell
I think glass cannon is the strongest class pre moonlord since max stardust dragon can do up to 700 damage per hit and more with kaleidoscope. Just requires dodging skills. Killed moonlord in under a minute
Expert btw
Just git gud at dodging master mode btw, like hell im doing mage in legendary
After all the updates I can confidently say that summoner makes a solid argument for strongest class
Summons don't attack fellow players on a pvp :(
When I did my melee run I actually opted to use the terra blade over the solar eruption on moon lord because it is so much easier to get the damage in and from further away.
Your choice of armor heavily biases the Terrablade. The Flying Dragon has a higher ceiling when you're built correctly for it.
True and it has a higher base damage
Yay Gungnir took my armor recommendation! Thanks bro!
The days of influx waver just being the terra blade but better are over. Still a little weird to me, though, that a post-golem weapon is objectively inferior to one you can obtain post-plantera.
My favorite thing to do is get fishron stuff pre mech boss
I think its fair that The Terrablade should be this strong but they could made other post-Plantera weapons stronger for the progression to make sense.
I feel like Influx waver and Flairon are better with damage and starlight is completely unaffected by attack speed since the sword doesn't do damage the projectile (which is constant) deals it all, so I feel like it was too optimal for Terra Blade and not enough for the others.
8:40 I think personally from what I’ve experienced. Once you enter hard mode based on strength alone summoner is one of the best. Yes frail as sticks, and bad pre hard mode experience, but once it’s hard mode, you hit the ground running. Especially if you’re good at dodging boss attacks. I.e. being able to dodge all of the daytime EoL’s attacks pre-golem, gets you the terraprisma, which is crazy strong. Aside from that I think melee is on top all around, both in versatility and all round gameplay experience
The debate over whether solar pillar or nebula pillar is more annoying entirely depends on class choice. For any other class but ranger, nebula is easily the more annoying of the two. But for ranger.. selenians exist. Enough said on that front I suppose.
New terra blade is just so sick I love it, and I wish they would make the other melee weapons good too because the terra blade just outshines them? LIke, even if the terra blade had less DPS in theory, it's just SO much easier to get hits with it that you end up vastly outclassing the DPS of any other melee weapon until you get like, a daybreak. The problem with melee has always been that it's hard to get consistent hits with it, which is why things like ranger and mage were so much better, but terra blade is actually quite easy to get hits with so obviously it'll become the best melee weapon.
The other weapons NEED to be buffed or reworked because something like the influx weaver being this bad compared to terra blade is just sad. It's not the fault of the terra blade, old melee was just not that great for the most part.
The only melee weapons that end up being better are solar eruption if you want to hit through blocks, day break for very long ranged (like during moon lord), or zenith (which hardly even counts). During pillars I preferred terra blade for crowd control over the solar flare, which is INSANE to think about considering solar eruption used to be my favorite weapon for crowd control. I did prefer day break for the moonlord fight because of range but once I got up close to any bosses I'd take terra blade any day.
Someone in the comments suggested homing capabilities for the Influx Waver, which sounds about right. Maybe the Flying Dragon could have some debuff you can apply with it, and obviously a bigger projectile.
I'd still have to say ranger is the best class in the game because of how consistently good it is. It deals long-range, consistent damage at any point in the game, even at the very start when other classes can't easily do that. The ammo system, while seeming like a drawback at first, is basically just a free source of extra damage and bonus effects that give the class a ton of versatility. Running out is rarely a concern either, considering NPCs sell ammo for almost every ranged weapon in the game, wooden arrows can be made quickly in large quantities when NPCs aren't available, and stacks now go up to 9,999. On top of all of that, ranger has good weapons readily available at literally every stage in progression, meaning it never hits those rough patches that other classes have to deal with. It doesn't have any shortage of good accessories, either.
Melee, as we see in this video, can be taken to some crazy heights when you spend a lot of time and money getting all of the right accessories and getting the exact modifiers you want for them, especially post-Plantera. There's just one problem, which is that if you're already putting a lot of effort into getting a super optimized build, you'd get a way bigger payoff playing a summoner instead. Because of how minions slots are, it takes a fair bit of effort for summoner to catch up to the other classes, but if you really commit to stacking minion slots and squeezing as many damage bonuses out of your accessories as you can, you can end up outputting absolutely _insane_ DPS and clearing entire screens of enemies even in master mode without touching your keyboard. Nothing sums up the summoner class better than the Terraprisma itself: it's a lot of effort for a huge payout.
I will give credit where it's due, though. The new Terra Blade is absolutely one of the strongest weapons for its tier in the entire game. I just don't think having one crazy good weapon is enough to make a class the best one in the game, especially when melee didn't particularly struggle post-Plantera even before the buff.
19:18 I think melee and ranger are the most optimal classes becuase of the high defense but personaly mage is my favorite class
Maybe they should also add a buff like this to all classes before ending the updates to terraria
They should add a special ablility for certain weapons like if the terrablade hits somthing 200 times or like does 50k dmg you do like a big huge slash that does amazing dmg bc that would be cool
Really loved this series!
As someone who primarily uses Summoner Class over anything else. (Even when I attempt other playthroughs) I have found that the Summoner Class not only is easy to use, but ABSOLUTELY SHREDS events, bosses, farming, and regular enemies. Especially since you can fight the Pumpkin Moon AND Empress of Light after Plantera, it gives the Summoner Class endgame options before both Duke Fishron and Golem... A full Menacing build is risky, yes, but can easily surpass 6k average damage once you wear full Tiki or Spooky with the Kaleidoscope and either the Desert Tiger Staff (For single target) or the Terraprisma.
Summoner has had the most buffs, and changes out of all the updates in my opinion, and even can compare to the Zenith, does not surpass it though, and is weaker, but compares to it. Besides, you can pretty much cap out the dmg before fighting moonlord too
After getting Terra yesterday, I can confidently say that it makes the game a lot more fun. It sucks how much you need to use single target weapon or spread weapons like Daedlus bow. Then you finally get Terra and everything becomes a lot faster and more fun
thoroughly enjoyed the playthrough - keep up the work 😃 get some well needed rest 2 bud
This brings me back to isahooten's vid about influx vs terra
Terra Blade and Christmas Tree Sword are my go-to options. Christmas Tree shreds Duke Fishron and other fast bosses, Terra Blade is good for all-purpose use.
Too bad that this series is coming to an end =P
The thing about trying to determine what's the strongest class is that it's kinda hard to answer unless you experiment with every possible playstyle at every stage of the game for each of the four classes. Honestly might make for an interesting video, maybe?
That and aside from challenge runs, no one runs a single class.
Especially pre-hardmode it's trivial to shift. It's nearly encouraged at certain points (for example Necro armor and hand gun in the dungeon, or molten/volcano in the underworld).
The fact is, at certain points in the game certain "classes" are just better.
Once a meteor drops, you gain access to meteor bullets and the star cannon, but also the metro armor and the space gun.
Vs. a phase blade for melee?
That's what I'm saying. It's far better to switch classes when you find better gear than to ever restrict yourself to one class, and even species out as a (pre-hardmode) wizard you'd be crazy not to carry a minishark and a decent sword.
...and then there's the fact that you can always use summons for free damage.
@@iami3rian394 “No one runs a single class”
I don’t know about that one chief. Lol
@@purplehaze2358 missed the part where I said "outside of challenge runs." Kinda doing the heavy lifting there.
Tell me, why would you limit yourself to only using, say, magic or ranged attacks and not (per the example given) for example having a summon, or switching to the storm bow to rek the destroyer?
@@iami3rian394 Because I find it fun lol
@@purplehaze2358 what do you find fun?
10:59 "Violence is better"
So without looking at the video, dont worry I will watch it.
To answer the question of the title.
In my personal playthrough I have found that the Terra Blade is by far the best pre-moon lord weapon to use. Until Meowmere or Star's Wrath.
Pros: Massive AoE that makes it hard to miss, Good damage, Can work with atk speed modifiers, pierces.
Cons: Range can be somewhat short against Moon Lord.
And honestly that is in my opinion at least the only Con to the weapon. The range of it can be short which can make it hard to dodge stuff at times. In some moonlord fights people tend to go with the good ol strat (Myself included) Of using Asphalt and booking it while flinging your weapon back towards the boss. With the Terra blade's range this becomes increasingly harder to do. So you need to better manage your distance to do damage, but also will run a risk of getting hit more often.
But the damage is solid, the AoE to it makes it incredibly hard to miss. You can pierce the eyes so you can hit the hand and top eye at the same time.
You can see the weapon kinda like a Mini Zenith in this regard.
even tho you said you didnt want to do lets plays for a while, i would still love to see a calamity lets play
I agrée with other commenters, making nights edge and terra blade OP compared to other options is fun for the story
-Going for Zenith in a melee playthrough- In all seriousness, it was a great series and I look forward to seeing what you do next.
Man, Great Series Gung.
I have not done a playthrough of every class, but I kind of have an idea of how each one ranks.
1. Ranger is probably still the best just because of the way it works.
2. I’m gonna say magic, but melee could be better now
3. Melee is definitely up there after the buff. I’m doing a master mode, spears only playthrough right now. I’m post golem and I literally have just tanked my way through every boss fight. I use warding on everything and all the best damage reduction gear I have. I have 135 defence with buffs during a fight, plus worm scarf, beetle armour damage reduction, brain of confusion, master ninja gear, and star viel. I almost can’t die.
4. Summoning. I think it was definitely 3rd place before the melee buff. Summoning is completely viable and also one of the strongest classes in some points in the game.
I used to think summoner was the best class 💀
@@HBreakingBad it’s definitely my favourite class, and it’s the best class for events for sure
currently doing a melee master mode playthrough right now and its my first time doing master mode
a flairon and starlight buff is what I think the game needs, this will make flairon be best for single target, terrablade for multi and starlight for close range
I think melee is the best class at certain stages of the game, but ranger is a more consistent class overall. You will never struggle at any point in the game using ranger, compared to melee which has several stages of the game where it gets a little tough, 1.4.4 definitely improved its consistency though it was WAY worse before.
Terra blade probably feels so strong since it's pretty much the only melee weapon you were using that benifeted from melee speed. Influx waver and the other projectile swords have an internal cooldown on their projectiles (the majority of your damage) while terrablade doesn't.
So terrablade is 28% better than your other options just from the accessories being melee speed instead of damage or crit chance.
Starlight is actually *completely* unaffected by melee speed
Why did you use terraspark boots with insignia? They only affect wings by providing an additional 0.7s flight time.
I think you could split vanilla playthroughs to
start-evil boss
queen bee - wof
queen slime - plantera
golem - final
for the pillars.
easy to hard:
stardust - solar - nebula - vortex.
the new terrablade SHREDS solar. as long as you dont fly and have a slight hill, they literally can not reach you.
for stardust, grab some cells, move up and away and your done.
nebula is annoying, but they dont hit that much and hard (easier to dodge).
vortex is the worst bc you have HARD enemies that HIT HARD as well. (the evolved ones).
Have you tried Christmas Tree Sword vs Duke Fishron? For me it was doing tons of damage since he runs right into the ornaments, lots more than terra blade without speed build.
Terra blade is better than the other options because it's the only melee projectile weapon in the game where the projectile scales off the true melee speed, for all other items (Ex. Influx Waver, True Night's Edge) only the true melee attack scales off of melee speed (starlight is an exception because the spinning light effect counts as a true melee hit) Glove stacking with Terra blade is a very strong strategy, especially using some Menacing reforges as well, balancing between Critical Strike, Damage% and Melee speed should make Terra blade absolutely nuts.
We say goodbye to this splendid series, I wish you would grind for the zenith and make a video out of it.
Sucks they overtuned a post-plantera sword to the point it can carry you to ml, but didn't overhaul the Influx Weaver or Keybrand, two late-game swords who could definitely use it a lot more then Terra Blade, especially now. Not like its that hard with getting an eclipse with tablets either so Influx Weaver is pretty much obsolete now.
I always used solar erruption against pillars and moon lord, it shreds everything, also against multiple enemies it does so much damage
They need to buff the other late game melee swords
Was this recorded before the terra blade nerf?
0:39 The starlight is the best pre-moon lord saw Simply because of its speed and damage yes it has like 33-60% of the range of the terribly but that is irrelevant when you consider the fact that those like 4-5x the damag because of the speed
bro absolutely decimated empress
Omg Im so glad I'm up at 3:40am to watch this
This reminds me of the megashark + chlorophyte bullets & dart pistol + ichor darts combo carrying to lunatic cultist
i did a summoner play through and got the kaleidoscope before moon lord, and it shreads him
the terra blade is the sword of the hero, named after the game it makes sense for it to be good. influx waver should be better for single targets though
“So I did some grinding off camera…”
Terra Blade is the most versatile and useful weapon in the game until you get the Zenith. Not only does it have good single target damage but with the new rework it can cut down hordes with ease and will never miss unless you have shit aim. The Starlight though I have seen does way more DPS but is much harder to use, nevertheless though it was my go to weapon during the Moonlord fight when I was aiming to deal high damage because the predictability of Moonlords movement allowed me to use the Starlight effectively, and then switch to the Terra Blade whenever I needed to back off to dodge some attacks, mostly the Deathray. The Terra Blade is the best but it does not outperform every other weapon in every other category.
If you have good aim then daybreak is quite nuts pre-moon lord. Doesn't clear events as fast as terra blade but it just melts all bosses. I was usually using these two on switch.
This is honest issue I have of the terra blade, it's just too good a weapon for something you can get immediately after Plantera. Sure, it is RNG of getting an eclipse but still. It could easily carry you all the way to Moon Lord, while also squashing events. It makes all other melee weapons kinda obsolete.
I think it’s fine, it’s such an iconic weapon that it definitely deserves it’s time in the spotlight, besides, you can get tsunami right at the start of hard mode, although it could do with a bit of a nerf, or maybe buff the other melee weapons
Not really any RNG getting an eclipse just farm
Terraria blade with max attack speed is a monster
i think most classes are pretty even by now, even summoner with whips. the zenith is still the end-all-be-all, but otherwise, you can use most classes pretty evenly.
man, i was innocent four month ago. summoner is INSANE. i did a WHIP ONLY build and it equaled a pure DPS range build. (yes, you read that right. no summons. only whip)
melee is decent. mage could be better, but overall. i would say range and summoner are slightly stronger.. most of the times.
Ranger in multiplayer is realy strong if you can stand still and use the shroom buff all the time, otherwise melee is by far the strongest tankyness and dmg are insane.
if you can actually dodge then mage is better than melee by quite a bit imo
Influx Waver *can* get rediculous DPS if you know exactly where the enemies you are fighting are going.
Most don't play Post-Moonlord, but in my melee run I found Meowmere to feel amazing with the local immunity frame changes on the wave events. It was also the first weapon after a long while that was actually better than Terrablade all around. Just had to beat the game to surpass it.
wish they would give summoner the same treatment as melee, i just want more reliable summons goddamn
influx waver is better for DPS if you know how to hit (and if you actually get proper equipment for it instead of just melee speed)
I think the terra blade buff is cool, but it broke progression. Influx waver, being acquired 2 or 3 bosses later, should not be worse. Same with the betsy sword. The only two options for melee for endgame is starlight and terra blade
Influx waver was really done dirty, i would personally buff its projectile amount so it shoots out 3 blades instead of one, allowing it to have great crowd control and and really high damage if you hit all the blades, probably lower it base damage a little so not too strong
Imagine turning enemies into a ball of blades XD
i feel like instead of 3 blades a homing projectile would be good for single targets at range
@@ebenezer-scrooge I did think of that too, it would also lean into high tech theme, it could even have some Flavor text like “This is my Smart Sword!” XD
Little worried that would make possessed Hatchet useless and Terrablade damage is so guaranteed its practically better then homing XD
Would need to increase the projectile speed for this too work
Tbh for moon lord I think the starlight from eol is great. The DPS is unbelievable and carried me through moon lord
I find that Flying Dragon has the best ease of use(it go's through walls) and damage combined.
starlight actually performs better vs empress' phase 1 than any other pre-moonlord melee weapon
one time i was fighting the empress during the day and she did that thing where she puts a line and shoots a projectile in that line.... and it ended up wiping out half of my villagers.
frankly i think there should be more buff or reworks to other melee weapons after the terrablade, because what's the point of using any other weapon when you have a high speed aoe projectile that scales with melee speed? like the closest weapon mechanically is the flying dragon and it doesnt even compare. also fun fact but starlight gets no benefit from attack speed, so it's better to go for raw damage and crit chance
IMO the strongest class is summoner, it does more damage than zenith with a pre-moonlord build (stardust dragon and firecracker)
plus it's really good at other points, too
melee is a close second though, with the new weapon reworks it's kind of busted
I'm kinda mixed on it... I'm genuinely happy that it's so strong. It's a sword that you need to combine all the other swords into and I genuinely love items like that... and I think that starlight challenging it's damage is the right direction. For melee to damage they should be in *melee* range. Letting a class that has that much bulk play cowardly just seems like a big fat no to me. So i'm kinda fine with a sword like influx waver fall behind unless they rework that akin to the other swords. Maybe becoming this slow but heavy hitting buster sword?
I also feel like we are kinda seeing a diffrent in their balance mindset with these weapons aswell. the weapons that weren't touched upon much get absolutely nothing from your melee speed build. And that's why melee speed hasn't been as prevalent as it is now with terrablade. But it's also probably due to melee becoming more of a pseudo magic/ ranger class later on aswell.
Things like keybrand though... now that could definitely use more. It has a strong effect but it's effective range basicly kills it on bosses.
Melee balance as a whole in terraria is just a rabbit hole. Most bosses hover outside of genuine melee ranges. Calamity tries to remedy this by not only boosting true melee damage, but also increasing the size of melee weapons. although it to eventually falls into magic that's shaped like a melee weapon... In order to properly make melee balanced/ fun they would need to revisit a number of mechanics and behaviors.
If terra blade a sword that requires you to horde every sword in your story ends up being the best... I'm fine with it, and I feel like most would be too since people have a soft spot for it. We have accessories that can push through to hard mode and beyond. I mean hell why is ahnk shield so strong despite the time you can craft it in the game?
i think that terra blade should just be herder thing to craft, but it shouldn't be nerfed in terms of combat capebilities
that isnt a nerf that would just be annoying like what they did to fledgling wings
Terra Blade is supposed to be good like that because you're using a loadout that makes it perform at maximum capacity
You do Fishron after golem??
Influx waver is better for single enemies, deals significantly more damage than Terra blade, but you have to connect