Time for ranting! B) 8:50 I do not suggest to ring any T1 nor T2 radars. Why? - Bc they're at front aka. in a greater danger and they make a much more juicy target for random bombers which you're unlikely to stop if more things are going on. Just keep the PGs in the base 12:50 Not a huuuge fan of the template bc of one reason: Energy storages cost a shit ton of mass (250 mass per storage aka nearly 5 tanks). If you queue up these templates, you're most likely building storages when you do not even need them, so I'd recommend doing a PG only grid and add it manually once you need it. (Will you forget it from time to time? Yes. Do I forget it a lot of times? Yes. This point prob comes down to preference and the ranking we're talking about, it's just my PoV so always take it with a grain of salt) 20:15 Put the scout first, it's useful not only for scouting the base early but if you send it over a side you can spot either engis you can raid or other raid parties coming towards your own engis. I'd also recommend a lower ratio such as 4:1 (or even 3:1 early on if we're talking about larger maps) 22:00 There's an option so you do not have to do this anymore. If engis assist a mex, it automatically upgrades&pauses at the same time, so you can just support every mex you want with engis and it'll do its thing on its own 23:50 Infinite engis except on very small maps with barely reclaim* (e.g. Theta Passage) 28:50 was about to add this as it happened to myself way too often xd Other than that, great stuff! Thanks for putting this together!
Ah man thank you for this haha. My group of friends and I play every week and I've been stressing build orders to them to help them not get flattened out
Your "lost engineer" on the 1st air factory was actually assigned to the Com (6:00) and he hadn't made it there yet when you were blaming an engineer. Right at that moment, (7:00) the Com was working on the PGs next in the queue. LOL. Very good video. I'm about 5 hours in to the game and 20+ hours tutorial videos in, but this as helpful as any. Thanks. Subbed.
There reason or explanation why you want to make power generators 1rst is that 650 starting mass is a lot of mass, while 4000 starting power is not a lot of power and power will run out very quick if you don't make power generators early
hey man, the start was always my weakest and my friends would just jump out of the gates and so many games I lost just because I couldn't keep up, your vids have helped so much maybe I can start winning more consistently, tysm man!
Wow great vid. Recently got back into this game and immediately eco stalled in 3 minutes. The explanation of power gens balancing out factories and engies is what I was doing wrong.
Its the aeon t1 tank that shoots way further than its visual range. You want to mix in artillery with your tanks as those really benefit from recon and deal huge damage. However for scouting/early raids use the light attack bots or gamble on a bomber. Light attack bots are super fast for hitting extractors or engis. A bomber costs more power and needs a different build order.
8:46 how did you do that? You somehow got the radar sorounded by energy generators in an instant. Is that a template? Does Radar functioning more efficently mean that it increases their range or that it consumes less power?
Yes it was a template, you can setup templates in a private match with no enemies. They consume less power when surrounded, but per Sladow’s comment, ringing a radar is not really worth it unless it’s a T3 radar in the core of your base. Otherwise, frontline ringed radars are too juicy of a target
I think it’s probably due to FAF, but if you’re already using FAF, then I’m not sure. Definitely recommend checking FAF out if you haven’t already though ruclips.net/video/IzYdv1S5XLk/видео.htmlsi=iBsmHCz7BWiGvECy
Recommend mentioning to not queue up more than 5-10 orders on your initial engineers coming off the line--especially if they're building on the front line and without an escort. Just wasted clicks and wasted time queueing up orders if that unit gets destroyed early, which is likely.
so here is something I don't understand - I can't attack-move with my engineers. It just doesn't do anything. I try to do it and the engineer doesn't add the order to its queue, or even except it as a new order to override its queue. I don't get it.
When sending engis far out to build mexes, whats the least brain taxing method of defending them againt enemy tank+scout (or bomber) harassment? Or is it not worth the effort?
It will always take some brain tax to defend things, but the main ways would be to assist an engineer with a scout / LAB combo (easy), retreat with the engineer if you notice radar signatures close by (takes some periodic checking), or try to reclaim the tank before it kills your engineer (hard) For bombers, you better have some interceptors built, otherwise the engineer will probably die lol. You can try to micro the engineer to avoid the bombs, but that will only delay the inevitable unless you can kill the bomber
You can definitely make an argument to do that; the grid like I have is good to avoid T1 bombers destroying your entire power grid in one pass. However that doesn't happen too often, so the adjacency style might be more beneficial for most games. I actually might try that out in the future and see how it goes
Hi, great video! Thank you for that. Question: if you send engineer to reclaim mass, what is the difference if you send to patrol the area or attack the area with (Alt command)?
Great question! They are actually very different Patrol will assist with building and other projects the engineer encounters, whereas Attack Move will exclusively reclaim. For reclaim missions, you’ll want to use attack move (or hold the Alt button when you que a move command)
I’m not sure, I only ever use the FAF client. I highly recommend making the switch though, FAF has a decade+ of balance patches, a coop campaign, and an active multiplayer community with ranked matchmaking. Join my discord for a welcoming and noob friendly community too!!
To get the hot keys, download Forged Alliance Forever. To alter the speed, press the + and - buttons on the keyboard. I think there’s a setting in the pre-game lobby called “Time Adjustable” or something similar that needs to be turned on
@@rexill8819 Ah yeah that will do it, I highly recommend you come over to FAF! There's like a decade+ of balance patches, an active community, and tons of quality-of-life improvements like ctrl+shift to show reclaim. Hope to see you around! :D
Templates! I don’t have a video on them (yet), but basically you go into a game with no opponents and create whatever building structures you want, then save them as a template. Then you can cycle through your templates in-game to build them in the same order they were built originally
I used to only build 1 factory and then send my comm out, but I often noticed my enemy raised a bigger army faster than me. Whatever works for you is great, but yeah I'd probably build out the initial base a bit more and see how it goes
You would think with all the improvements FAF has made, in a macro oriented game like sc, the 'devs' would get rid of that manual walking nonsense to optimize walking before building time. Shouldnt be that hard to tweak ai behavior to walk to the units max build range or slightly less, instead of whatever static number is there now.
You mentioned the many improvements FaF has, the reason for not changing it is that there must be some kind of skill expression. COM is very slow with engineers you prob lose 3 seconds. It's not the world.
Other comment is correct, but make sure you’re playing on FAF! I have a video about hot keys here, although it’s a bit outdated and I use other hot keys now. However setting up the FAF presets is on there around 5 mins in ruclips.net/video/Ao_Zh7LQZ6k/видео.htmlsi=xyBDezf4ROyh14Yj
i've been playing this game for like 10 years and I didn't know you could tell a factory to assist another one by copying. wow. of course that's probably becuase I prefer playing campaign/co-op so I have zero real faf skills
Time for ranting! B)
8:50 I do not suggest to ring any T1 nor T2 radars. Why? - Bc they're at front aka. in a greater danger and they make a much more juicy target for random bombers which you're unlikely to stop if more things are going on. Just keep the PGs in the base
12:50 Not a huuuge fan of the template bc of one reason: Energy storages cost a shit ton of mass (250 mass per storage aka nearly 5 tanks). If you queue up these templates, you're most likely building storages when you do not even need them, so I'd recommend doing a PG only grid and add it manually once you need it. (Will you forget it from time to time? Yes. Do I forget it a lot of times? Yes. This point prob comes down to preference and the ranking we're talking about, it's just my PoV so always take it with a grain of salt)
20:15 Put the scout first, it's useful not only for scouting the base early but if you send it over a side you can spot either engis you can raid or other raid parties coming towards your own engis. I'd also recommend a lower ratio such as 4:1 (or even 3:1 early on if we're talking about larger maps)
22:00 There's an option so you do not have to do this anymore. If engis assist a mex, it automatically upgrades&pauses at the same time, so you can just support every mex you want with engis and it'll do its thing on its own
23:50 Infinite engis except on very small maps with barely reclaim* (e.g. Theta Passage)
28:50 was about to add this as it happened to myself way too often xd
Other than that, great stuff! Thanks for putting this together!
Ah man thank you for this haha. My group of friends and I play every week and I've been stressing build orders to them to help them not get flattened out
Your "lost engineer" on the 1st air factory was actually assigned to the Com (6:00) and he hadn't made it there yet when you were blaming an engineer. Right at that moment, (7:00) the Com was working on the PGs next in the queue. LOL. Very good video. I'm about 5 hours in to the game and 20+ hours tutorial videos in, but this as helpful as any. Thanks. Subbed.
Was just about to get back in to FAF and wondered if my old build orders were still good, then this pops up, nice.
There reason or explanation why you want to make power generators 1rst is that 650 starting mass is a lot of mass, while 4000 starting power is not a lot of power and power will run out very quick if you don't make power generators early
Thank you! I know your niche is small, but you make really incredible content! It's so hard to find up to date FAF stuff/guides.
hey man, the start was always my weakest and my friends would just jump out of the gates and so many games I lost just because I couldn't keep up, your vids have helped so much maybe I can start winning more consistently, tysm man!
im ridiculously bad at this game but now im slightly less bad, thank you for the help boss
Wow great vid. Recently got back into this game and immediately eco stalled in 3 minutes. The explanation of power gens balancing out factories and engies is what I was doing wrong.
Haven't played in years. this is an excellent series to get back in the game
The trick to select all mex and upgrade, then pause is so good.. I'm always searching around the map for the last tier 1
Great info as always!
Its the aeon t1 tank that shoots way further than its visual range. You want to mix in artillery with your tanks as those really benefit from recon and deal huge damage. However for scouting/early raids use the light attack bots or gamble on a bomber. Light attack bots are super fast for hitting extractors or engis. A bomber costs more power and needs a different build order.
I just started and oh boy this is amazing 🤩
Thanks for this!
It's amazing that my all time favorite game is still relevant. I am a 72 year old gamer.
8:46 how did you do that? You somehow got the radar sorounded by energy generators in an instant. Is that a template? Does Radar functioning more efficently mean that it increases their range or that it consumes less power?
Yes it was a template, you can setup templates in a private match with no enemies.
They consume less power when surrounded, but per Sladow’s comment, ringing a radar is not really worth it unless it’s a T3 radar in the core of your base. Otherwise, frontline ringed radars are too juicy of a target
5:37 how are you seeing the vision/damage/armor type etc?
When I hover over units on mine it just gives the basic word readout but no stats?
I think it’s probably due to FAF, but if you’re already using FAF, then I’m not sure. Definitely recommend checking FAF out if you haven’t already though
ruclips.net/video/IzYdv1S5XLk/видео.htmlsi=iBsmHCz7BWiGvECy
Recommend mentioning to not queue up more than 5-10 orders on your initial engineers coming off the line--especially if they're building on the front line and without an escort. Just wasted clicks and wasted time queueing up orders if that unit gets destroyed early, which is likely.
so here is something I don't understand - I can't attack-move with my engineers. It just doesn't do anything. I try to do it and the engineer doesn't add the order to its queue, or even except it as a new order to override its queue. I don't get it.
Are you holding down alt and then right clicking?
@@therasco400 yes
No idea, but if you join my Discord and send a screenshot someone should be able to help
@@CptTinman try shift alt
When sending engis far out to build mexes, whats the least brain taxing method of defending them againt enemy tank+scout (or bomber) harassment? Or is it not worth the effort?
It will always take some brain tax to defend things, but the main ways would be to assist an engineer with a scout / LAB combo (easy), retreat with the engineer if you notice radar signatures close by (takes some periodic checking), or try to reclaim the tank before it kills your engineer (hard)
For bombers, you better have some interceptors built, otherwise the engineer will probably die lol. You can try to micro the engineer to avoid the bombs, but that will only delay the inevitable unless you can kill the bomber
Question about the build template for the pgen you showed... why did you not have the energy storage in adjacency with the pgens?
You can definitely make an argument to do that; the grid like I have is good to avoid T1 bombers destroying your entire power grid in one pass. However that doesn't happen too often, so the adjacency style might be more beneficial for most games. I actually might try that out in the future and see how it goes
Hi, great video! Thank you for that. Question: if you send engineer to reclaim mass, what is the difference if you send to patrol the area or attack the area with (Alt command)?
Great question! They are actually very different
Patrol will assist with building and other projects the engineer encounters, whereas Attack Move will exclusively reclaim. For reclaim missions, you’ll want to use attack move (or hold the Alt button when you que a move command)
Great video with many tips.
Is possible to use the spawn menu on the steam version or is it still only working on the faf app?
I’m not sure, I only ever use the FAF client.
I highly recommend making the switch though, FAF has a decade+ of balance patches, a coop campaign, and an active multiplayer community with ranked matchmaking. Join my discord for a welcoming and noob friendly community too!!
@@TheGreenSquier thx m8. I'll give it a try
I don't understand, how to activate hot keys, how to speed up and slow down the game?)
To get the hot keys, download Forged Alliance Forever.
To alter the speed, press the + and - buttons on the keyboard. I think there’s a setting in the pre-game lobby called “Time Adjustable” or something similar that needs to be turned on
Priceless advices
By misclick you send that engineer to support your second land factory ;-).
ctrl+shift doesnt show resources on map for me :/ anyone know why?
Are you on FAF or the Steam version?
@@TheGreenSquier steam
@@rexill8819 Ah yeah that will do it, I highly recommend you come over to FAF! There's like a decade+ of balance patches, an active community, and tons of quality-of-life improvements like ctrl+shift to show reclaim.
Hope to see you around! :D
@@TheGreenSquier do you have any viedoes about what is faf?
@@rexill8819 I do! See here for "What is Forged Alliance Forever"!
ruclips.net/video/IzYdv1S5XLk/видео.html
how on earth did you quickly surround the radar with energy at 8:45?
Templates! I don’t have a video on them (yet), but basically you go into a game with no opponents and create whatever building structures you want, then save them as a template.
Then you can cycle through your templates in-game to build them in the same order they were built originally
@@TheGreenSquier oooo very interesting, thank you!
I usually built one factory and one mass extractor before sending com, has the meta changed?
I used to only build 1 factory and then send my comm out, but I often noticed my enemy raised a bigger army faster than me. Whatever works for you is great, but yeah I'd probably build out the initial base a bit more and see how it goes
You would think with all the improvements FAF has made, in a macro oriented game like sc, the 'devs' would get rid of that manual walking nonsense to optimize walking before building time. Shouldnt be that hard to tweak ai behavior to walk to the units max build range or slightly less, instead of whatever static number is there now.
You mentioned the many improvements FaF has, the reason for not changing it is that there must be some kind of skill expression. COM is very slow with engineers you prob lose 3 seconds. It's not the world.
how do u have the hotkeys on the building icons?
top of screen, under the options menu is "rebind keys" you can set hotkeys there.
Other comment is correct, but make sure you’re playing on FAF!
I have a video about hot keys here, although it’s a bit outdated and I use other hot keys now. However setting up the FAF presets is on there around 5 mins in
ruclips.net/video/Ao_Zh7LQZ6k/видео.htmlsi=xyBDezf4ROyh14Yj
yoo you're on the FAF client's front page with this vid
i've been playing this game for like 10 years and I didn't know you could tell a factory to assist another one by copying. wow.
of course that's probably becuase I prefer playing campaign/co-op so I have zero real faf skills
Those that tried to scroll around his map...
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7 minutes in and nothing going on? :(
Im stoned playing sc its like being in middle school again except ive got uber eats and no parents
You should probably put the name of the game in the title of the video.