The gear drive is the way to go. No more tensioner worries. I got rid of my tensioners at 35,000 miles and went gear. The bike now has 192,000 on it with no issues. Good video.
had my 05 done 100,000 miles. had balanced S&S crank, timken bearings, reaper geared cams, bored and stroked. from a 88 too 103. ported heads, jags oil cooler. Nice job you had done. 👍 should be a large difference
Harley Hank, You did it RIGHT, twin camers have pressed cranks. There is no way I would put in a gear set with stock crank, unless you took it out, had it trued and welded.
I started hearing a noise on my 2001 Road King and thought the worse. I was contemplating placing lockers in the top end or looking at my compensator but it turned out to be loose worm drive clamps on my chrome exhaust pipe covers causing a vibration. Screw driver fix.
The exhaust gaskets are a single go really. Fitting the exhaust properly is a 5 minute job that takes half a day. They are all so different. I have fueling 525 cams. The spring tensioners are in really good shape at 25k on a '99 TC 88 FXDL. Best time to upgrade is before they go bad so planning to do this winter. All the chrome covers need replacing so it's going to be a once in a lifetime refresh.
Bob, you are correct, one can do the cam job at home. I did my 03 Dyna TC and my 2017 M8 Ultra Classic last year. They were correct in that the new motors show cam & lifter frosting early. Mine had 30k on it but looked like 100k. Anyways glad you found out what the noise was and got a great upgrade as well.
Good morning 🌅, great territorial, I have a 2003 softail deuce, somebody has been in it before me. I believe it’s had a big bore kit., gear driven cams, but still has the original cam plate, and I’m not sure whether it’s got the original oil pump, I’m still investigating, I think over the winter months, I will be stripping it down, stay safe ride free,
I have done that job at home, it's not too bad to do and you get harley parts out and throw them in the trash. I never use harley mechanical parts to replace anything. I put a ThunderMax on my bike and couldn't get AFR right. What I found was one of the oem lifters was stuck/frozen fully extended and I had a valve hanging open. Fueling race lifters fixed that. Don't forget the rocker lockers too. They stop the rocker shaft ticking.
Not gonna lie....the bolt cutters to the old lifters caught me by surprise lol. So glad you figured out that noise....... had me stumped since Myrtle Beach lol.
I had Speed Performance Plus do the cams in my 2001 Fatboy at Daytona a few years ago. They were great to work with and the tune was very good. Got 80 HP out of my stock 88. A couple years later did a big upgrade to a 107 on my own but still stop and talk to Jamie every year just because they're good guys and its fun to see the bikes on the dyno. Little O One update on this, I would recommend only working with Jamie if possible. Their tuner also seems to be a real nice dude. Stay away from the guy at 5:40.
i did that same job on my 2007 heritage at home, i used Georges garage tools,and installed kuryaukn wild things cams with the new aluminum cam plpate and S&S gear drive, and wow what i difference
How did the S&S Pump/Plate kit lower the engine oil temps? I've heard thats the greatest benefit. Higher pressure, more flow/scavenging. Keeps the bike cooler
@bobandtams I'm doing the S&S pump/plate today. Bob Wood 999-6a cam, lifters, inner bearings, new tensioner.. the works! The cam is a bonus for me, but I've had oil temp issues in the South Florida summer. Did a DK customs remote oil filter, and hi-flo washable filter. It dropped me a good 10-15 degrees but I need more. I was told the new pump/plate with that hi-flow filter alone will solve all my heat issues. And heat does kill power and parts life.
@@bobandtams I'm quick shifting through stop and go traffic. I'll build up to 275-290 degree temps since the remote filter kit. I can still get past 300 if I idle at a light and ride like a speed freak. On the highway now, I'll be averaging 260-275F. To be safe I change the oil every 1500-2000 miles. High heat kills the oil life.
Hi there, I live in Australia. I don't own a Harley Davison but I found this very interesting to watch. The bike mechanic knows what he is doing Ride Safe Regards Alan Reilly
It appears that you have a solid cam chest and oil pump. It should last a long time. One question, would they have done the job if you insisted on solid push rods? I know that requires rocker box removal, just curious. Thank you for the fine video. Drive in, get the work done, and drive away…nice!
Can we please have the price of that kit...thats exactly the pieces i want..i know your cost would be different and installing,etc..but could you give us a price for those exact pieces in that kit...Thanks, i know your gonna love it.. Love the Channel!!
TC cam job $2450 if you add oil pump its another $400. So $2850. Then bike needs to be tuned. If license tune with power vision another $800. Thats is gear drive easy start cams with new lifters pushrods camplate oil pump gaskets bearings and labor.
Hate to say it but many more issues with the 110 than the HO 103. That's why I got the HO 103 over the 110. The 110 was only $2k more. Thanks for the video! Have to keep putting better parts in those 110s. Don't do stock parts depending....Glad you got the bigger oil pump. Next is to port your heads and you should be good for awhile. I say that because most people put in cams but won't get the full potential without doing the heads. Porting the heads and bigger oil pump will also make it run a tad cooler. S&S and Fueling is the way to go due to bigger orphises. Again, thanks for the video.
I tracked down a horrific high frequency screaming rattle. Thought my engine was blowing up. Turned out to be a passenger foot board rattling on it's shaft. I cram a piece of rubber in it now, good to go!
Just showed up, what's the bike your working on? I have a 2015 soft tail 103 CI with 6000 miles what should I worry about? I also have 1977 shovel AMF era, don't get me started on that. Thanks...
I didn’t see him align the gears on the oil pump, I know on the stock oil pump you have to align them and I think Kevin Baxter on his videos on the S&S oil pump he’s aligned them. If you don’t do this the oil pump gears rub on the inside from being out of alignment and then you get metal shavings in your motor.
My oil pump on my 04 FLHTPI went out while I was riding to work I saw the light and shut it down coasted to work when the mechanic tore open my motor the run out which I believe Harley says .006 is max mine was .068 lol needless to say my motor was cooked lol luckily I had warranty so it was the perfect time to punch it out with w@rranty and an extra $600 I got a striker crank and a big bore kit very nice SE heads compression realeases because I had 11 to 1 compression and gear drive cams what a screamer love it.
Its not only from the cat, its the epa, causing the cats, and the super lean tune, that causes extra high oil temps that are screwing everything up.. Its best to get rid of the cat, and the factory oil, and get fanned oil cooler, along with a much better 12.5-13.0 AFR from a good tuner..
Noticed his explanation of crank run- out was incorrect..hope the mech knew more, and i dont think the mech lifted on the crank to check amount of play to add to the total run-out value..good luck with it
What year is your bike??? I have an 05 (fxdli) with a 95 S&S kit so I figured yours is 06-13 somewhere but my 05 needs a new front head the upper exhaust stud has been replaced 4 times through 2 different exhaust systems and now no type of heli coi or threaded insert will fit cuz the hole is now like a cheap hooker loose and sloppy but they go on eBay from like 160-400$ which sux but better than a new s&s head for $1,300 and I can have both heads matched + ported all together for around $675 total and while I wait I can get to work checking the timing chain tensioner replace it or leave it put my new (rebuilt) starter in while I do that I'll check the primary chain and the clutches and hope/pray that all is well and hopefully by the20th-21st I'll be on my ass riding down the highway (I 95 ) from New England south to wherever it leads me I'm shooting for west Virginia to look at some property but who knows that's kind of the fun of 1-up riding.lmao ya never know what's next. .it's about the journey how ya get there and who ya meet along the way good or bad
Bob I was thinking what does a repair upgrade for what you did cost ? I have been thinking of doing something on mine. Appreciate the information!! awesome channel and how are you satisfied with the upgrade. Any benefits /increased mileage /horsepower rideability etc would love to hear
@@bobandtams Wow! Must be nice to be made of money! I looked at the S&S upgrade kit and needed extras and the parts tally looks like ~ $1,500 total. I'd like to go gear drive but I don't have the measuring rig so it's kind of a crap shoot whether I will be able to go that route. This project would definitely stretch my abilities.... would be very satisfying if I pull it off but depressing (and expensive) if I both the job. Looks straightforward enough (2010 FXSTC)... being retired $1,500 is a lot of dough to spend on a bike that runs well now. $4k is pretty much out of my range.
In 2004 going for the gear drive conversion SE adjustables,cam kit cam , cam plates,oil pump ,gear drive,inner / outer bearings , ex gaskets. Total £1510 inc 6 hours labour.
with pressed crank pins the runout can change, it might be 4thousanths when the gear sets are installed then down the road the runout can increase possibly runing an engine, too risky for me, Id weld my crank first, if only for the piece of mind
Twenty-two thousand miles is abysmally low have such major work done to the engine. I also notice that when someone makes a comment that you do not agree with you answer them with thanks for watching instead of answering the question or commenting on their comment. That says something right there.
I try to answer what I can, the 110 engine has a lot of issues. There are some that get lucky but most don't. I get my info from bike shops and builders. Some comments need a lengthy answer that can't be answered here. Email us and get all the answers you want contactus@bobandtams.com
@@bobandtams the twin-cam and the milwaukee-eight have tons of very expensive mechanical issues and it just seemed to me like you were trying to defend it by not answering the questions posed. Frankly I don't understand big twin owners if you bought a car with such mechanical issues you would demand a new car to be replaced under the lemon law. I put hundreds of thousands of miles on all of the bikes that I ride and I have never had the amount of mechanical issues even from my British motorcycles which are supposed to be legendary for their unreliability. Big twin owners seem to have the means to throw good money after bad 😞. What I don't understand is that it doesn't seem to FaZe them.
Not telling how to do a job, but why ez start cam with ACR heads? Unless I missed something I skip around but s$s is good stuff been using them for decades
I've used easy start cams in several bikes, It still could have trouble as they get more miles....Easier now a little more money to not worry..We ride in alot of over 115 here in the desert
S&S cam plate is "FORGED", not billet ! Difference is many times stronger than billet ! Billet is what other cheaper brands on market are. I believe a hunk of 'billet' is what they use to manufacture 'forgings' from. When you want the best for strength, you want ' forged' !
agree how many shops do a ton of business to fix inferior hd oem parts this is why i will never buy a harley if you have to spend an additional 4-6k to make a motor right from a company who has been doing this for over 100 years and still can't get it right. Then that tells me they don't value their products or their customers
I’ve come up with a solution to my M8 engine noise: put up with it and ride my bike until the engine quits (knowing my luck I’ll be 1,200 miles from home in another state) and save $10,000 for the inevitable engine re-build.
I own an 88. It saddens me that so many mods are required to correct what Harley engineers failed to to recognize as a poor design, before unloading to buyers.
Great video. I am considering the same work on my 110. Why did you do the rockers at that time too. I didn't see the head covers come off in the video.
@@bobandtams so do they get each cylinder at the top of the power stroke and then make the adjustment of the pushrods? i'm playing old man arm chair mechanic here. i still have a lot of tools and just wondering if i could do it myself to my 02 heritage with 25k miles on it. thnx.
@@bobandtams Thats a little high...parts are between 1750 to 1950 and labor is between 3.5 to 5hours...But when your out on a Run away from home you cant shop around...
last 2 oil changes Amsoil. bike has 22,000 miles, Into HD once. I would have to check Speeds did it twic. That's just from memory with out looking at receipts
The roller wear can simply be from a tight valve adj during break in. Amsoil is great oil. 100% synthetic. Any oil that says full synthetic is a blend oil. HD oil and so on.
@@bobandtams I realized when I asked that question, It was intended for the guys working on the bike lol but I'm in southern California, Redondo Beach area.
No it was a clicking like a rock on the tire noise. With new part it have other noise now which is normal. The work done was not to just find the noise it was to avoid the isdues 110 has.
NEVER have your engine work done by a Harley dealer...they're techs are trained to replace HD junk parts w/more junk parts...especially, HD SE junk. you wanna put $$$ into your bike...hit a major rally! they do it for livin and they won't use junk HD parts.
@@bobandtams cool thanks Just got my legends shocks installed got my bike back yesterday I noticed it’s having trouble idling down yes I will have to get that looked at
This dude knows his stuff top notch tech. Thanks for all the knowledge & tips!
Glad you enjoyed it
The gear drive is the way to go. No more tensioner worries. I got rid of my tensioners at 35,000 miles and went gear. The bike now has 192,000 on it with no issues. Good video.
Thanks
I have 27,000 on mine already had it apart everything looked really good so I plan on gear drive next year depending on the runout
Great video , and wife is 🔥, keep the good work
@@edwinparedesnjusa Thanks
did you have the crank welded
had my 05 done 100,000 miles. had balanced S&S crank, timken bearings, reaper geared cams, bored and stroked. from a 88 too 103. ported heads, jags oil cooler. Nice job you had done. 👍 should be a large difference
Yes pretty happy with it
Harley Hank, You did it RIGHT, twin camers have pressed cranks. There is no way I would put in a gear set with stock crank, unless you took it out, had it trued and welded.
I started hearing a noise on my 2001 Road King and thought the worse. I was contemplating placing lockers in the top end or looking at my compensator but it turned out to be loose worm drive clamps on my chrome exhaust pipe covers causing a vibration. Screw driver fix.
Good fine👍
The exhaust gaskets are a single go really. Fitting the exhaust properly is a 5 minute job that takes half a day. They are all so different. I have fueling 525 cams. The spring tensioners are in really good shape at 25k on a '99 TC 88 FXDL. Best time to upgrade is before they go bad so planning to do this winter. All the chrome covers need replacing so it's going to be a once in a lifetime refresh.
Sounds like a good plan
Bob, you are correct, one can do the cam job at home. I did my 03 Dyna TC and my 2017 M8 Ultra Classic last year. They were correct in that the new motors show cam & lifter frosting early. Mine had 30k on it but looked like 100k. Anyways glad you found out what the noise was and got a great upgrade as well.
Thanks for your input, been wanting this done. Had pretty much same on my 09 ultra too
Good morning 🌅, great territorial, I have a 2003 softail deuce, somebody has been in it before me. I believe it’s had a big bore kit., gear driven cams, but still has the original cam plate, and I’m not sure whether it’s got the original oil pump, I’m still investigating, I think over the winter months, I will be stripping it down, stay safe ride free,
Thanks good luck on the motor work
If you checked all the noises in a Harley you'd have a full time job.
Not really
Eliminate all the noises on a Harley & you end up with a Honda.😈😈😈🤭🤭🤭
Hahaha that’s hilarious
I have done that job at home, it's not too bad to do and you get harley parts out and throw them in the trash. I never use harley mechanical parts to replace anything. I put a ThunderMax on my bike and couldn't get AFR right. What I found was one of the oem lifters was stuck/frozen fully extended and I had a valve hanging open. Fueling race lifters fixed that. Don't forget the rocker lockers too. They stop the rocker shaft ticking.
Thanks for the info
Not gonna lie....the bolt cutters to the old lifters caught me by surprise lol. So glad you figured out that noise....... had me stumped since Myrtle Beach lol.
Me too
best way to replace the Original Harley POS lifters is with Bolt cutters and replace them with Jap made adjustable lifters, best money ever spent.
Thanks for the information
Thanks for watching
I had Speed Performance Plus do the cams in my 2001 Fatboy at Daytona a few years ago. They were great to work with and the tune was very good. Got 80 HP out of my stock 88. A couple years later did a big upgrade to a 107 on my own but still stop and talk to Jamie every year just because they're good guys and its fun to see the bikes on the dyno.
Little O
One update on this, I would recommend only working with Jamie if possible. Their tuner also seems to be a real nice dude. Stay away from the guy at 5:40.
Thanks for the info Speeds does great work
i did that same job on my 2007 heritage at home, i used Georges garage tools,and installed kuryaukn wild things cams with the new aluminum cam plpate and S&S gear drive, and wow what i difference
Sounds great I'm pretty happy too
How did the S&S Pump/Plate kit lower the engine oil temps? I've heard thats the greatest benefit. Higher pressure, more flow/scavenging. Keeps the bike cooler
Great point! higher volume will cool the engine
@bobandtams I'm doing the S&S pump/plate today. Bob Wood 999-6a cam, lifters, inner bearings, new tensioner.. the works! The cam is a bonus for me, but I've had oil temp issues in the South Florida summer. Did a DK customs remote oil filter, and hi-flo washable filter. It dropped me a good 10-15 degrees but I need more. I was told the new pump/plate with that hi-flow filter alone will solve all my heat issues. And heat does kill power and parts life.
@@airvine91 is your bike hot on highway riding or city
@@bobandtams I'm quick shifting through stop and go traffic. I'll build up to 275-290 degree temps since the remote filter kit. I can still get past 300 if I idle at a light and ride like a speed freak. On the highway now, I'll be averaging 260-275F. To be safe I change the oil every 1500-2000 miles. High heat kills the oil life.
Hi there, I live in Australia.
I don't own a Harley Davison but I found this very interesting to watch.
The bike mechanic knows what he is doing
Ride Safe
Regards
Alan Reilly
Glad you are watching
You can do this at home in your garage in less than 10 hours.
This was really interesting! Thank for the video🤙
thanks
It appears that you have a solid cam chest and oil pump. It should last a long time. One question, would they have done the job if you insisted on solid push rods? I know that requires rocker box removal, just curious. Thank you for the fine video. Drive in, get the work done, and drive away…nice!
pn the road at the Rallies they don't have the time.
Can we please have the price of that kit...thats exactly the pieces i want..i know your cost would be different and installing,etc..but could you give us a price for those exact pieces in that kit...Thanks, i know your gonna love it.. Love the Channel!!
Pretty please...?
At least 1600 probably more
TC cam job $2450 if you add oil pump its another $400. So $2850. Then bike needs to be tuned. If license tune with power vision another $800. Thats is gear drive easy start cams with new lifters pushrods camplate oil pump gaskets bearings and labor.
Hate to say it but many more issues with the 110 than the HO 103. That's why I got the HO 103 over the 110. The 110 was only $2k more. Thanks for the video! Have to keep putting better parts in those 110s. Don't do stock parts depending....Glad you got the bigger oil pump. Next is to port your heads and you should be good for awhile. I say that because most people put in cams but won't get the full potential without doing the heads. Porting the heads and bigger oil pump will also make it run a tad cooler. S&S and Fueling is the way to go due to bigger orphises. Again, thanks for the video.
Thanks something that I'll put on the list
Toyota , camshafts, needle bearings , and all S&S what a way to Go , Go ! Greetings from Asheville NC . 🤑🤔
Hi glad you are watching
Very nice choice on the MR103 cam. I had it on a 2014 Streetbob and Dynoed. It moved.
Thank you for the content.
Al
Thanks for watching Al
How does the mr103 s&s cam compare to the stock one? Any noticeable difference?
Stock cam is 484 lift
Mr103 is 585 lift
Usually bumps the bike up 15-20 hp. Gives bike little bottom end great midrange little top end. Very broad cam
So yes noise gone! It like a stage 2.5 Upgrade ? What was the time it took them to do it?
About 4 hours
Hey Bob Tam that was awesome ❤️👍✌️
Thanks
Lots of buildup on that intake butterfly. What air filter is being used?
HD
How many miles did you have on your bike when you changed cams ?
22,000
I tracked down a horrific high frequency screaming rattle. Thought my engine was blowing up. Turned out to be a passenger foot board rattling on it's shaft. I cram a piece of rubber in it now, good to go!
Good investigating
Just showed up, what's the bike your working on? I have a 2015 soft tail 103 CI with 6000 miles what should I worry about? I also have 1977 shovel AMF era, don't get me started on that. Thanks...
2014 limited CVO 110
Harley Davidson big twins .The best bike you can buy for excessive price that has a 27% power train failure rate within four years.
Thanks for watching
I didn’t see him align the gears on the oil pump, I know on the stock oil pump you have to align them and I think Kevin Baxter on his videos on the S&S oil pump he’s aligned them. If you don’t do this the oil pump gears rub on the inside from being out of alignment and then you get metal shavings in your motor.
Ok, the gears have to be lined up, or the oil pump would not work
My oil pump on my 04 FLHTPI went out while I was riding to work I saw the light and shut it down coasted to work when the mechanic tore open my motor the run out which I believe Harley says .006 is max mine was .068 lol needless to say my motor was cooked lol luckily I had warranty so it was the perfect time to punch it out with w@rranty and an extra $600 I got a striker crank and a big bore kit very nice SE heads compression realeases because I had 11 to 1 compression and gear drive cams what a screamer love it.
Sounds like it all worked out
Its not only from the cat, its the epa, causing the cats, and the super lean tune, that causes extra high oil temps that are screwing everything up.. Its best to get rid of the cat, and the factory oil, and get fanned oil cooler, along with a much better 12.5-13.0 AFR from a good tuner..
Good info
Been waiting for this.
It's coming
You got the good stuff S&S 👍
Yes we did
Except the Fueling lifters
Noticed his explanation of crank run- out was incorrect..hope the mech knew more, and i dont think the mech lifted on the crank to check amount of play to add to the total run-out value..good luck with it
Here is the same shop doing more work explaining as they are doing it
ruclips.net/video/1K3y3nfv8-k/видео.html
What year is your bike??? I have an 05 (fxdli) with a 95 S&S kit so I figured yours is 06-13 somewhere but my 05 needs a new front head the upper exhaust stud has been replaced 4 times through 2 different exhaust systems and now no type of heli coi or threaded insert will fit cuz the hole is now like a cheap hooker loose and sloppy but they go on eBay from like 160-400$ which sux but better than a new s&s head for $1,300 and I can have both heads matched + ported all together for around $675 total and while I wait I can get to work checking the timing chain tensioner replace it or leave it put my new (rebuilt) starter in while I do that I'll check the primary chain and the clutches and hope/pray that all is well and hopefully by the20th-21st I'll be on my ass riding down the highway (I 95 ) from New England south to wherever it leads me I'm shooting for west Virginia to look at some property but who knows that's kind of the fun of 1-up riding.lmao ya never know what's next. .it's about the journey how ya get there and who ya meet along the way good or bad
2014 hope you got your's fixed
Bob I was thinking what does a repair upgrade for what you did cost ? I have been thinking of doing something on mine. Appreciate the information!! awesome channel and how are you satisfied with the upgrade. Any benefits /increased mileage /horsepower rideability etc would love to hear
With Dyno total under $4000.
@@bobandtams Wow! Must be nice to be made of money! I looked at the S&S upgrade kit and needed extras and the parts tally looks like ~ $1,500 total. I'd like to go gear drive but I don't have the measuring rig so it's kind of a crap shoot whether I will be able to go that route. This project would definitely stretch my abilities.... would be very satisfying if I pull it off but depressing (and expensive) if I both the job. Looks straightforward enough (2010 FXSTC)... being retired $1,500 is a lot of dough to spend on a bike that runs well now. $4k is pretty much out of my range.
@@franksaxton3583 We are retired too, we put on a credit card and made payments on it.
In 2004 going for the gear drive conversion SE adjustables,cam kit cam , cam plates,oil pump ,gear drive,inner / outer bearings , ex gaskets. Total £1510 inc 6 hours labour.
Se pushrods cyco pads new koyo inner cam bearings .Total £600
Great video and glad you guys made it to sturgis also glad you found that annoying noise ;)
Me too
with pressed crank pins the runout can change, it might be 4thousanths when the gear sets are installed then down the road the runout can increase possibly runing an engine, too risky for me, Id weld my crank first, if only for the piece of mind
Thanks for the input
Live you videos and content. Keep them coming please.
thanks
Twenty-two thousand miles is abysmally low have such major work done to the engine. I also notice that when someone makes a comment that you do not agree with you answer them with thanks for watching instead of answering the question or commenting on their comment. That says something right there.
I try to answer what I can, the 110 engine has a lot of issues. There are some that get lucky but most don't. I get my info from bike shops and builders. Some comments need a lengthy answer that can't be answered here. Email us and get all the answers you want
contactus@bobandtams.com
@@bobandtams the twin-cam and the milwaukee-eight have tons of very expensive mechanical issues and it just seemed to me like you were trying to defend it by not answering the questions posed. Frankly I don't understand big twin owners if you bought a car with such mechanical issues you would demand a new car to be replaced under the lemon law. I put hundreds of thousands of miles on all of the bikes that I ride and I have never had the amount of mechanical issues even from my British motorcycles which are supposed to be legendary for their unreliability. Big twin owners seem to have the means to throw good money after bad 😞. What I don't understand is that it doesn't seem to FaZe them.
Good job guys, for the algorithm
I'm working on it
@@bobandtams me too
Glad to hear you got that noise fixed great video
thanks
Everything looks great except those Fueling lifters. Heard of Fueling quality control issues. Just saying...
Thanks for the info👍
How about noise from the gears? Is it as quiet as the chain drive?
The gear drives are great... until the crank twists, then boom. I only install gears after the crank pin is welded.
That would be true if high HP and Torgue. Mine is pretty stock. If I was going to do a build I would.
Not telling how to do a job, but why ez start cam with ACR heads? Unless I missed something I skip around but s$s is good stuff been using them for decades
I've used easy start cams in several bikes, It still could have trouble as they get more miles....Easier now a little more money to not worry..We ride in alot of over 115 here in the desert
S&S cam plate is "FORGED", not billet ! Difference is many times stronger than billet ! Billet is what other cheaper brands on market are.
I believe a hunk of 'billet' is what they use to manufacture 'forgings' from. When you want the best for strength, you want ' forged' !
Do you know what a cam plate does and how to improve on factory junk?
Thanks for the info
What was the cost of the cam work (,the entire job)
just under $4000. including Dyno
what did that cost you ?
and is there any warranty with the work ?
$3500 includes Dino 1 year warranty
I have the same problem sound and low oil pressure 😢
I replaced the oil pump with a SS
Good video very informative thank you.
Thanks for watching
As much as these bikes cost Harley should be using the best quality parts when building them.
It's a 2014 only real work ever done to it
@@bobandtams The 22,000 miles it what surprised me. That's what my bike has on it.
agree how many shops do a ton of business to fix inferior hd oem parts this is why i will never buy a harley if you have to spend an additional 4-6k to make a motor right from a company who has been doing this for over 100 years and still can't get it right. Then that tells me they don't value their products or their customers
How much did this set you back $$$$
What year Harley and where are you in this video?
2014 CVO limited, had work done at Speeds Performance Plus in Rapid city
Great video.
thanks
I new it! I new it! Cause my shield still rattles. PA TING!!
There u go, thanks for watching
I didn't see you check the clearance from the cam to the cases with 585 usually you have to grind them
It's all good
Bro checking needle bearing with a fn pick yeah good job bro just use your finger especially if you got enough room to put your hand in theirs
Thanks
The guys sounds just Like Bob
Thanks
I’ve come up with a solution to my M8 engine noise: put up with it and ride my bike until the engine quits (knowing my luck I’ll be 1,200 miles from home in another state) and save $10,000 for the inevitable engine re-build.
Sounds like a good plan
@@bobandtams Thank you very much for sharing your adventures!
@@trex860 thanks for watching
I own an 88. It saddens me that so many mods are required to correct what Harley engineers failed to to recognize as a poor design, before unloading to buyers.
I think more HD owners want to up grade. Kinda like the 70s cars
Man, I wish I could hear what the noise was!
several things the lifter is what we think it was, I ended up with a chain tensioner this year, causing noise. Right now not to bad
So it wasn't mechanical? It was an exhaust heat shield?
That's what I heard was the noise came after the pipes were put on, also that guy doing the work used alot of special tools, Cresent wrenches.🤔
I didn't say the rest, it was seated right on the front cylinder
no crescent wrenches used
Great video. I am considering the same work on my 110. Why did you do the rockers at that time too. I didn't see the head covers come off in the video.
I wanted to stop some of the issues I heard can happen to the 110
He cut the lifters with bolt cutters thus eliminating having to remove rocker boxes.
Or push rods to be specific.
Lowbrow In Ohio has the tools you need.
Thanks
Bike sounds good 👍
Thanks
How much did that cost you?
With Dyno under $4000.
i enjoyed the video and demo but i would have liked to see the actual new pushrods and adjustment at TDC.
I have that but didn't edit it in
@@bobandtams so do they get each cylinder at the top of the power stroke and then make the adjustment of the pushrods? i'm playing old man arm chair mechanic here. i still have a lot of tools and just wondering if i could do it myself to my 02 heritage with 25k miles on it. thnx.
So what was the noise ? Lifter?
Yes
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Thanks
How much did all of this cost
with dyno 3600
Did the cams effect your fuel mileage
Not than I can tell
Alot of oil when the side cover came off?
At least it was full
@@bobandtams looks to be sumping, check out kevin baxter videos on the problem cheers
@@crunchytheclown9694...I believe that sumping issue will be corrected with the S&S oil pump as they were running a stock plate/pump. 🤔
How much does that job cost?
$3600. Includes Dino
How long did this actually take ?
4 hrs
So parts and labor for the Job was around $3K?
Just under 4,000 included Dyno. which is about 600
@@bobandtams Thats a little high...parts are between 1750 to 1950 and labor is between 3.5 to 5hours...But when your out on a Run away from home you cant shop around...
Ok so what was the final number’s from the dyno?
It didn't change much have to look it up snd do a video on it
Going to have to check and do a video on it
how much?
With dyno $3400
What engine oil were you using normally ?
last 2 oil changes Amsoil. bike has 22,000 miles, Into HD once. I would have to check Speeds did it twic. That's just from memory with out looking at receipts
The roller wear can simply be from a tight valve adj during break in. Amsoil is great oil. 100% synthetic. Any oil that says full synthetic is a blend oil. HD oil and so on.
@@joec2174 yes Adam told us that.
How many miles on the bike?
then was 22,000
What year Harley?
2014
Not in and out but round and round otherwise the roundness.
That's right😊
She must be pretty fast now
pretty quick
Hey can you give me a part number for the rear adjustable pegs?
Kuryakyn Adjustable Passenger Pegs
Can't find the ones for my bike bought them in 2014. Check with J & P cycles for your bike
@@bobandtams yeah I couldn't seem to find them for our peg mounts, I have the same as you. But thanks I'll look little harder
What it cost to have that done,is it worth it
It could avoid a engine. Early models oil pumps suck..Also issues with the lifters blowing.
Just wondering what the horsepower and torque are?
I would have to look didn't change much
What did that job cost about??? 💲💲💲💲💲
With Dyno just under $4000
Cost for all this???????????????$$$$$$$$$$How much?????
Dyno and all under $4000
Will I like it?
Of course
Yes excessive heat will decorate engine parts
Yes it will
You guys ever make your way out to California? 😂😂
yes we do, what part
@@bobandtams I realized when I asked that question, It was intended for the guys working on the bike lol but I'm in southern California, Redondo Beach area.
It a Harley its suppose to make noise. If you want a powerful quiet ride buy a Honda.
No it was a clicking like a rock on the tire noise. With new part it have other noise now which is normal. The work done was not to just find the noise it was to avoid the isdues 110 has.
Paaaatiiiing
Thanks
your throttle body looks mighty dirty like your air filter is not air filtering?
Had it replaced
Chinese Parts the auto industry is having the same problems.
Thanks for watching
NEVER have your engine work done by a Harley dealer...they're techs are trained to replace HD junk parts w/more junk parts...especially, HD SE junk. you wanna put $$$ into your bike...hit a major rally! they do it for livin and they won't use junk HD parts.
Speeds does pretty much all my engine work
All of those parts from S&S are about $1800 + Labor. Should have just bought a new S&S motor.
No SS motor is around 7500.00 plus labor. Total here was 3600 includes Dyno. I had good compression
About what that cost to get done to someone’s bike
it was just under $4000. With dyno
@@bobandtams cool thanks Just got my legends shocks installed got my bike back yesterday I noticed it’s having trouble idling down yes I will have to get that looked at
did you do front and rear legends
@@bobandtams Just from thinking about doing the rear in Sturgis
Front
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thanks
you didnt check the crank runout... the most important thing...
Yes we did 3.5
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