yup. Even starting at my 10U/11U teams, I make my middle infielders learn to crow-hop at the second-base double play pivot even though they are protected with sliding rules because not all kids know how to/time their slide correctly into the bag.
I played over 50 years ago and baseball has changed quite a bit since then. I played at second and I agree with you, the second baseman should have tagged the base and then moved to make the throw. I would have made that throw while I jumped over the runner. We used to practice that ALL THE TIME. BTW, when I say baseball has changed, we were taught that if you were coming home and the catcher had the ball your DUTY was to slam into him to get the ball dropped. Now they throw you out of the game for that.
@@BlazingShackles I guess you missed the point of my comment. The game wasn't always played as it is today and home plate collisions were common. Catchers were taught to hold onto the ball like a running back and runners were taught to do everything they could to break it loose. That was many years ago when the game was a bit more rugged.
@@richardsmith2289 Sheesh, I caught a play at home and got bowled over when I was like 13. Did a backward somersault and was surprised that it actually happened like on TV. At that level it was actually against the rules, so the runner was called out. Anyway, I was wearing my gear and I was fine. It was just baseball.
Yep. Don’t think I could play today even if my body could handle it. They’d eject me every time. Catcher at home with the ball I’m running into him full steam. Sliding in to base you’re banned right I’m gonna make you worry about your health if you’re on the bag. Stealing a base? Ya gotta tag ma and hold on to the ball. Guess what? I’m making direct contact unless you are smart enough to be off the base far enough I can’t slide into you. And now days? I’m surprised they don’t issue bubble wrap and lollie pops.
Great analysis. I'm playing adult baseball at 44 and probably one of the few things that scares me now is going down and sliding. I don't know if I can get back up lol!
@@blahblah49000 Where are you located? Many communities have a leagues called MSBL Senior league baseball. Check for locations at their website. There is also Sandlot League Baseball which is more casual.
Yea hes gotta get that leg out of there faster imo. Legal but still dirty slide it looks like. I was never a fan of take out slides at the bases because of the defenseless fielder.
That's my take on it also. It's like Hoskins was thinking "How do I get the best chance of injuring the middle infielder while following this rule?" I still don't understand people who would rather see who's the best at taking 200 lbs at 15 mph to the shins than the best baseball players play baseball.
That’s because you’re a soft pansy, just like McNeil. Was literally a normal slide, dude should have gotten out of the way, I guess he doesn’t know how to play second base.
@@stich21 I just want to watch good baseball. If that's too soft for you, why stop at taking out the fielders with slides? You might as well try a new variant where the hitter carries the bat while running the bases, and is allowed to use it to hit the ball out of the defender's glove to avoid the tag.
Agree 100%. It's a late slide, but legal. It doesn't look to me like there is any intent to injure. When I played, I vividly remember our shortstop breaking his leg on a similar play, but the runner deliberately barreled into him. I was playing center field and heard the snap of the leg breaking. It still gives me chills.
Former aaa catcher. McNeil, most modern mlb players, and even the game itself have become female genitalia. I broke up my share of double plays and took and gave countless collisions at home plate. Got a few bumps and beuises bur neither i nor the others involved ever got a serious injury because we all knew how to protect ourselves when facing contact. Middle infielders spent part of every practice learning to jump out of the way after receiving a throw. We did the same at the dish, learning how to receive throws and bracing or rolling with a play at the plate.
Amen. All sports have been feminized in the name of safety and liability lawyers. Race cars have throttle plates to limit speeds, football penalties for bumping a kicker, baseball…. Well you already covered that one.
The 2nd baseman caught the ball in a lazy lais sai fair way...he went to throw to first in a non urgent way and the ball slipped outta his hands before throwing to first...and he put blame on the slider. It was gonna be an error on the 2nd baseman
If the neighborhood rule of the force at second were still in place, McNeil would have been to the right field side of the bag and Hoskins would have not been in his way at all.
Looked to me like he turned his arm around the fielder's leg to try to snap the knee. That makes it look like an intentional attempt at injuring him. That practically justifies a fight in self-defense, right on the spot.
Of course he is trying to contact the fielder-totally legal. In no way did he grab at the fielder. He rolled over to grab the base in order to make his slide legal (bona fide).
Mets fan here. Zero issues with the slide. McNeil is supposedly a hard nosed player as well, so he should appreciate the slide and get out of the way. If he’s looking for a zero contact sport he should stick to playing golf.
u sound like a hockey fan, a game where intentional injuries "are part of the game"..... Hockey fan: " if you didnt want your star player injured you shouldve dressed 20 fighters on skates, instead of your star player"
Dumb. He’s behind the bag. He was out of the way. Hoskins was clearly out, it was not bang bang- he did this intentionally. This style of play ruins careers. Hoskins needs suspension or 97 in the lower back tomorrow
@@lunardestruction and you must be a gen z softy. Not a hockey fan, but I was a catcher and more importantly, a big boy. The play was not in violation, thus, I’d not be whining like McNeil, knowing that the ones that played before me suffered much worse. Ever heard the names, Biggio, Alomar, Kent, Randolph? You ask any of them and they’d laugh at this play and wonder why it’s even a conversation.
… and all of them were on roids meaning they were psycho and could recover faster. Are you still ripping heaters in the dugout? Old man out of touch yells at the sky.
@@BoJackHorseman_eatshay your rationale is insane. So if you were on roids and your mental state was “psycho” your legs don’t break? Cmon man. These men are paid millions and are trained on conditioning and how to avoid injury. McNeil didn’t have the athleticism to get out of the way? Umps clearly didn’t find the play dirty and neither did Antonelli a former second basemen himself.
Exactly. When I played middle I was always taught to not be directly behind the bag for this very reason. He has no reason to be mad when he’s standing on top of the bag and never moved his legs.
It seemed that in the old days the second baseman just needed to be in the vicinity of the base. It wasn't a strict reviewable play that it is now. But at the same time the runner was way outside the base path trying to breakup the double play. Mcneil didn't look like he was going to execute the play, so maybe he should be mad at himself.
No. We enjoy seeing the best players in the world hit, throw, catch, and run. Blasting into another player (and I'm not saying that's what happened here) means injuries and missed time for the players we want to watch. Changes for player safety are changes for the better.
@@beaneater2152 "Changes for player safety are changes for the better." Okay, so let's have them start wearing the padding hockey players do. Hey, it would be a change for player safety, so it would be better--you said so yourself. Here's another idea: replace bases with "base circles" that are 5 feet in diameter. No need to touch a base and actually risk contact with another player, just be in the circle. No more pesky "contact sports", just throwing and catching and running. Heck, forget baseball, let's just have individual throwing and catching and running skills competitions. If that's what you really want to see, then forget the game! Hey, it's what you said you wanted! And it's exactly that kind of nonsensical, no-limiting-factor nonsense that produces stupid changes like these. There is no such thing as sports without risk. Baseball is already one of the least risky team sports. But that's not good enough. Players are getting paid enough money for a single game to live on for a whole year, and modern medicine can repair injuries like we can barely imagine. But that's not good enough either. Really, this is the obvious culmination of absurd salaries: teams invest these ludicrous amounts of money into players so that they treat them as fragile works of art, only to be brought out of the garage when it's sure to be a sunny day with no traffic. Nobody remembers players like Cal Ripken, Jr. anymore. He played a different game--a better one.
@@blahblah49000 Should I even respond to your ridiculous straw-manning? Sure, why not... You fundamentally don't seem to understand how human language works. If you tell me, "I like ham sandwiches," it doesn't mean you always want a ham sandwich in all contexts. You don't want a ham sandwich stuffed in your morning coffee. You don't want to replace your hard drive with a ham sandwich. You like ham sandwiches at appropriate times and places. Likewise, I stated (perfectly reasonably) that changes for player safety are changes for the better. That doesn't mean *all possible changes*. The safest thing of all would be to not play the game, and obviously I'm not in favor of that. So instead of aggressively and ignorantly jumping on my perfectly reasonable statement, you could have started a useful conversation by asking something like, "So what are the limits of your statement? When does safety-ism go overboard?" That would have been a lot more fruitful.
The "it aint like how it were back then" boomers will be out in force on this one, but McNeil's leg got a bit wrenched and I suspect he's reacting more to the pain than his personal interpretation of the slide rule. It caught him off guard and hurt, so he barked. That also happened back in the day.
Sorry...but it ain't like it was "back then"..you know, when real baseball was played and not this piece of crap baby ball that's played today. These guys are SOFT!!!.. but they are great at celebrating when they hit a homer in the first inning with nobody on. I must give them credit for that at least
As your excellent explanation of the rule explained, that was a 100% legal slide. So, yes, the second baseman needs to stop whining. I think he's probably upset that even before the runner got there, he had dropped the ball during the transfer. and wrecked a chance at a DP.
Legal but the runner didn't give an inch on that foot contact with the ankle. Didn't affect the play, and it's a good no call. But if a high-school player thinks he can get away with it he's gonna get punched
I remember watching baseball and (2 things)….first the 2nd baseman or shortstop would slide their foot in the vicinity of the bag before throwing to first. Second would be the runner would slide waaaayyyy beyond the bag trying to breakup the double play. By throwing letter of the rule its a “clean slide”. But c’mon…he’s sliding to a point beyond the bag. If you are just trying to make it to the base the lead foot is stopping at the base…maybe a little beyond. Not having to stop yourself with your hands by grabbing the base.
That slide might be "legal", but it is sure dirty. I don't want players careers ruined because some hotshot decided to perform an amateur amputation. If that means the rule needs a revision, then we cross that bridge when we get there.
I don't care what the rules are. These guys are pros and have absolute control of what they're doing. His was a deliberately late slide in a dangerous manner. Trying to disrupt the throw is outside the intension of the play, imo.
I really appreciate the take of defensive players needing to protect themselves and not rely on the rules for safety. That being said, i do think this is a slide the MLB wants out due to sliding past the bag and into the leg on the far side of the bag. Rules wise it seems clean based on your description, but falls into the 'if you aint cheating, you aint trying' attitude about player effort.
Clean slide. Second baseman lost control of the ball, resulting him not completing the double play and getting off the base. Hard clean competitive play. 2nd baseman was embarrassed which resulted in his over reaction.
Surely leading with your leg that's going nowhere near the sack and aiming straight at the player is not a bona fide slide. Surely the reference to touching the base with the hands contemplates a dive forward leading with the arms? It's hardly a bona fide slide if you're going to use a later-to-arrive part of the body to touch the base while aiming your leading edge, legs and body, at the baseman? Really doesn't look like a bona fide slide to me.
....yeah, good point----if you see my comment here it is basically the same thing you are saying. I am all for hard baseball, but I don't know that I could certify this as a 'clean' slide.
Not dirty. Middle infielders should know to be light on their feet and expect a runner to try to break it up. The runner should try to disrupt their feet without spiking them. That’s the difference. If the fielder thinks they can keep their feet planted against the runner then their looking for trouble. The runner, while not trying to hurt the fielder, has to disrupt their feet to break up the double play. So they go in with any part of their body besides their cleats. They slide early. Where they set their path towards the fielder. The fielder then has the chance to recognize and avoid unwanted contact. If they decide to stand there and take it, that’s on them. Signed a middle infielder…
@andrewme2245 runner kept his foot down the whole time. Made contact with the fielders foot. What he's supposed to do. It's dirty if you bring your cleats up to the less protected ankle/leg/knee.
It was actually a good slide because he messed up his throw to first. Which is why he did it Was it legal, yes. Was it dirty, yes. Was it a success, yup.
Clean slide. It was McNeil's attempt to take the attention off the fact that the ball rolled out of his glove when transitioning to this throwing hand.
By the letter of the rules, yes it's a clean play. However, Hoskins intent was dirty. He may not have been intending to injure but he obviously was intending to collide and did so in a reckless manor. I do somewhat question if he did a roll block here. He did roll and was wrapped up around the fielders leg which also can cause significant injury....
@@dentonyoung4314 It’s pretty easy to infer intent, especially here. Also Mcneil is literally entirely on the opposite side of the base away from where Hoskins is sliding. Please enlighten us how else he would be able to “protect himself” while still contacting the base for an out and having a chance to turn the double play? Or is he not allowed to do that?
@@matrixphijr He already had the out at second before Hoskins reached him. All he has to do is -- well, first, he has to not drop the ball during the transfer! But if he makes a clean transfer, he can zip a throw to first and jump up, landing on Hoskins as he slides under him. Just like second basemen have been doing for 100 years.
I have a problem with the body roll. He rolled his upper body to the right into the 2nd baseman's knee. There was no need to roll his upper body. He was right next to and almost on the bag. IMO, illegal due to body roll.
Looks 100% intentional to me....cleats raking the inside lower shin and ankle looked pretty much deliberate. Him dropping the ball doesn't mean he shouldn't have jumped a least a little to not be planted. When he threw that right punch in the air he should have followed through to the side of that jaw bone.
the pussification of the game. nice, hard clean slide. eff the Posey rule, too....took one of the best plays in baseball away (the collision at the plate).
Baseball is played hard and fast, but that doesn't make the slide dirty. I see the intent being to break up the DP, which it did. If the second baseman jumps and falls on top of the runners head, that isn't dirty either. If the Brewers continue this throughout the series or season, shame on them and the manager. Let it go and learn to get out of the way.
In the 70’s or 80’s this slide wouldn’t even be mentioned because the coach that complained about it would be lambasted in the press for being a fancy lad or prissy! 😂😂😂
Even if this slide meets the letter of the rule, it misses the spirit of the rule, which is intended to stop players from aiming their slide at the fielder rather than the base. Just because he gave full body extension to barely reach his hand out and maintain contact with the base doesn't give him the excuse to aim his slide at the fielder. I think the umpire could have had justification for calling the double out on the play
Old dude here. We were always taught to "flip the shortstop [or second baseman]" so I grew up with this stuff. It sucks how he ended up nearly bending his leg back awkwardly, but that appears to be a side effect of the takeout slide and not intentional. In my nearly 40 years of playing the game this would always have been considered a good baserunning play.
Respectfully… the game has evolved since your 40 years of play. Analytics, swinging up, better nutrition, faster and stronger players, and everyone throwing 95 now from the mound has moved the game forward. This is dirty and has no place in the game nowadays. If Hoskins doesn’t get suspended he needs 97 in the lower back tomorrow.
If you played middle infield you were also taught to just be within 3-5 feet of the bag when you got the ball. Comments about what used to be are just dumb when discussing a "new" rule.
@davidroman1654 Point taken, but this clearly wasn't a violation of a "new rule." The slide was within the parameters of said rule and takeout slide appears to still be a part of the game. And I was never taught to be 3-5 feet from the bag, because in my lifetime only the MLB gave the courtesy of the "in the vicinity" call. So, to borrow from your comment, that's not even an example of how the game used to be; it's what never was. Yeah, I'm an old timer, and maybe I'm not changing with the times, but I can't imagine this is the first time McNeil's been taken out. I'm 48 years old and that play has always been taught as a good baserunning play. And not in the old MLB way where guys would slide out of the baseline. We were taught to slide through the base. Fundamental. If the middle IF doesn't want the contact, he needs to get out of the way while the runner slides through the bag in the basepath that he's entitled to. Am I commenting about how the game used to be? In part, yes. But I'm not sure where the "dumb" part comes in because, like it or not, it's still apparently part of the game, because this slide was within the rules. So McNeil needs to cool it here.
Both hands were up at one point, he also over-slid the base, & solid contact was made… I’m not saying it was dirty, nevertheless it certainly wasn’t clean… For ANY pro ball player, rookie or a veteran, this reaction is enough for McNeil to get upset on a potential career ending injury… To be on the safe side of the slide, I think runners over shouldn’t over-slide at all… Y’all gotta’ check out an extreme case with Will Clark’s slide, from 1988 on José Oquendo & Ozzie Smith!!
Not sure why he planted his left leg for so long. Get the ball, push off the base with your left, throw and jump out of the way. Since he's a utility fielder, perhaps he hasn't had as many reps for that to become second nature.
The slide didn't start until he was at the base. The foot is essentially past the base by the time he hits the ground. I'm my mind, as an ump, I would have ruled it a bad slide and called the runner at first out.
those bases look huge now. That was a totally clean slide. The fielder messed up and got scared and bobbled and is taking it out on the sliding runner.
If you look at the play, ball is clearly not controlled, yes runner is out on the play, clean slide....there was no chance for a dp.......2nd baseman needs to take it! What happened to real baseball! Some players have gotten too soft
The video freezes precisely (3:33) at a seeming "roll block" by Hoskins' midsection into McNeil's planted left leg. As you say, it comports [to a point] with the "bona fide slide" MLB rule 601(j), but later it reads, "Notwithstanding the above, a slide shall not be a 'bona fide slide' if a runner engages in a 'roll block'..." and continues with other violations. Because the rules don't specifically define "roll block," it's obviously a judgment call, but I'm guessing the Mets' bench judged the slide's climax to be one. As a McNeil fan, so do I.
I noticed that too with these slowed down replays. Hoskins seems to try to wrap his left arm around McNeil's leg as a rolling block way of hampering the throw to first that wasn't coming. Possibly part of the motion causing by hanging onto the base with his other hand so he doesn't slide way past the bad and violate that part of the rule. Not dirty slide but still a-hole slide.
The loss in transfer threw McNeil off. Had it been clean, he would had made the throw and gotten out of the way. Contact still would have been made, but his foot wouldn’t have been planted and his leg wouldn’t have bent awkwardly.
The bases are bigger for a reason, had full access to the bag, and decided to slide well past it... Brewers would've needed a garbage bag to pull their guy off the field if I were there.
Slide was clean. Second baseman failed to get his leg out. I saw nothing suggesting an attempt to injure. That said, guy will probably have to take a pitch in the ribs sometime soon.
Back my day i seen few SS have "cocky hop skip jump" after the throw to turn 2...yet it was for the purpose of not having cleat in dirt to rip out a knee...some jt learnd a "style" way to do it! Matt...After 4 games and 7 caught stealing by my son...nobody wants to run anymore...they have been tryn get such early jump our pitchers now have about 4 or 5 "step off" and throw ahead to 2nd for the out! We have Easter Tourney Monday,Tue,and Weds (At West Brunswick) and play againts some the top 20 4a schools in the state of NC...so i told him then as i dropped him.off at Sat morn practice that they dont "know him" so they deff gone try him at the start! Him being just 147 and 5'10 eveeyone highly under estamates his sub 2.0 pop with Velo of upper 80s on the throw down...lol
Runners are Not permitted to go beyond the base with their body. Reaching back with a hand to grab the base to stop your momentum just does not cut it. The runner can expect a pitch to his helmet ear hole before they finish this series in NY.
I see that rollover by the runner as “grabbing the fielder”. That was dirty. There is no reason I can see for him to have rolled over other than to trap the 2nd baseman’s lead leg.
This slide is so clean. The fielder is in the center of the bag. Where is the runner supposed to slide? Over the bag! The fielder is not the smartest guy! Be one side of the base, not the middle. Give the runner somewhere to avoid you. Then if you get rolled, you have a legit beef.
The question is can a slide be legal but yet dirty? In this case I say yes. To me it looks like Hoskins rolls his body onto McNeil's lower leg/knee causing his knee to bend backwards.
Mcneil has every right to be upset. The slude might be clean but there is intent to take him out. Its a very late slide and he travels past the base.. plus the way he slides he attempted to cross body mcneil.. the new rule in place for this season says that the fielder can not block any part of the bag. So mcneil is behind the bag. Mlb needs to adapt a new rule now. U wanna protect the runner from injures fine. Protect the fielder from feet first slides on 2nd. Theres is no situation i can think of that requires you to slide feet first into send unless its to break up a double play which the league is trying to eliminate.
The last torso swing to the right with the left arm to the knee. That is close enough to raising the arms to qualify. Totally dirty and totally illegal. If I'm the pitcher, he gets plunked next time up.
Because pitching at the batter is illegal. A hard slide in an attempt to prevent a double play is simply part of the game. He is supposed to do that (as long as he slides legally). There is nothing in regards to swinging his arm at the fielder’s leg. He does not make contact. He is just turning to grab the base (so he can maintain contact in order to make it a legal slide).
I think the second base man was more upset he didnt field the ball and throw it to first , but i always find bench clearing so funny , a bunch of multi millionaires trying to be gangster always tickles me
He rolled over to grab the base and hang on to it. This is not even close to a roll-block. Contact is just the runner’s cleat hitting the fielder’s ankle.
Let's be honest, the slide was intended to be a hell of a lot dirtier if the play went down the way it was shaping up to. If the 2nd basemen didn't lose the ball, he was going to be carrying more momentum to 3rd and that was where the slide was clearly directed towards (4-5' left of the bag), and then after the momentum stopped and stayed more centered towards the bag, the runner redirected every way he could to continue to interfere and started to barrel rolle into the legs with disregard to both of their safety. And the unapologetic crybaby taunting by the runner afterwards clearly shows the POS personality we are dealing with, which I presume there is a reputation behind that added additional fuel behind both the 2nd baseman's reaction and the immediate call from the ump.
the intent is to break up the DP, not to injure anyone. McNeil made ZERO attempt to vacate the area/leap/get out of the way. If he had "multiple examples of Hoskins sliding dirty" he should have anticipated it knowing Hoskins was at first before the play. In the end Hoskins made a slide within the guidelines of the rules and was clean. Was it later than usual? Yes, but clean. McNeil should have anticipated it and made a better attempt to get out of the way.
I can completely see where the fielder got a little sideways over it because he got slammed into but I think it's a clean slide. It's just man to man shit. No rules were broken.
The problem is when the Mets throw at Hoskins head tomorrow, the pitcher will get ejected. MLB cant have it both ways. If you let players risk other players careers by allowing dirty slides, then you have to let pitchers retaliate and protect their teammates.
He’s lucky his foot was in the base instead of in front of it - the umpire would then be allowed to call the runner safe and the fielder still has to endure the physical pain from the slide.
Albert Bell and Fernando Vina came to mind when you mentioned kill someone at 2b.
Isn't that the play where Belle gives Vina a forearm shiver to him?
I can still hear my American Legion coach admonishing us after making the catch at 2nd base, “Pivot, throw and get the hell out of the way!”
Yeah, these multi-million-dollar athletes don't get paid enough to play hardball like that. Better leave that to the kids.
My kind of coach! No nonsense! No need to have a discussion, talk feelings!
@@blahblah49000 LOL
yup. Even starting at my 10U/11U teams, I make my middle infielders learn to crow-hop at the second-base double play pivot even though they are protected with sliding rules because not all kids know how to/time their slide correctly into the bag.
I played over 50 years ago and baseball has changed quite a bit since then. I played at second and I agree with you, the second baseman should have tagged the base and then moved to make the throw. I would have made that throw while I jumped over the runner. We used to practice that ALL THE TIME. BTW, when I say baseball has changed, we were taught that if you were coming home and the catcher had the ball your DUTY was to slam into him to get the ball dropped. Now they throw you out of the game for that.
I guess you missed the part where they are enforcing the "cannot block the plate" rule now.
@@BlazingShackles I guess you missed the point of my comment. The game wasn't always played as it is today and home plate collisions were common. Catchers were taught to hold onto the ball like a running back and runners were taught to do everything they could to break it loose. That was many years ago when the game was a bit more rugged.
@@BlazingShackleswow you’re special ed
@@richardsmith2289 Sheesh, I caught a play at home and got bowled over when I was like 13. Did a backward somersault and was surprised that it actually happened like on TV. At that level it was actually against the rules, so the runner was called out. Anyway, I was wearing my gear and I was fine. It was just baseball.
Yep. Don’t think I could play today even if my body could handle it. They’d eject me every time.
Catcher at home with the ball I’m running into him full steam.
Sliding in to base you’re banned right I’m gonna make you worry about your health if you’re on the bag.
Stealing a base? Ya gotta tag ma and hold on to the ball. Guess what? I’m making direct contact unless you are smart enough to be off the base far enough I can’t slide into you.
And now days? I’m surprised they don’t issue bubble wrap and lollie pops.
Thats how Dustin Pedroias career was sealed. Its a bummer, I think he had a few more good years left in him.
Great analysis. I'm playing adult baseball at 44 and probably one of the few things that scares me now is going down and sliding. I don't know if I can get back up lol!
Where does one find adult baseball leagues to play in nowadays?
@@blahblah49000 Where are you located? Many communities have a leagues called MSBL Senior league baseball. Check for locations at their website.
There is also Sandlot League Baseball which is more casual.
1:48, is that his foot below Hoskins... damn that looks painful just looking.
Yea hes gotta get that leg out of there faster imo. Legal but still dirty slide it looks like. I was never a fan of take out slides at the bases because of the defenseless fielder.
Doesn't need to be against the rules to be dirty. Legal slide, but in my opinion it was made with deliberate intent to risk injury to a fellow player.
Well said. Legal by the letter of the rule but you know he tried to spike the fielders leg there. Definitely a dirty slide.
That's my take on it also. It's like Hoskins was thinking "How do I get the best chance of injuring the middle infielder while following this rule?" I still don't understand people who would rather see who's the best at taking 200 lbs at 15 mph to the shins than the best baseball players play baseball.
Y’all are soft as charmin.
That’s because you’re a soft pansy, just like McNeil. Was literally a normal slide, dude should have gotten out of the way, I guess he doesn’t know how to play second base.
@@stich21 I just want to watch good baseball. If that's too soft for you, why stop at taking out the fielders with slides? You might as well try a new variant where the hitter carries the bat while running the bases, and is allowed to use it to hit the ball out of the defender's glove to avoid the tag.
Agree 100%. It's a late slide, but legal. It doesn't look to me like there is any intent to injure.
When I played, I vividly remember our shortstop breaking his leg on a similar play, but the runner deliberately barreled into him. I was playing center field and heard the snap of the leg breaking. It still gives me chills.
Agreed. It was a late slide but clean. I would expect some barking after it. It's all cool
Good Play and Thanks for the knowledge.
Oh man…your description of the rules seemed spot on to me. The slide seemed legit to me
I think Rhys was expecting the fielder to jump and throw....
He was never a dirty player on my Phillies.
AMEN BRO WELL EXPLAINED.... WE WERE ALWSY TO BREAK UP THE DOUBLE PLAY. PLAYERS TODAY SO SENSITIVE. AND MAKING MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF MONEY.
Yes clean slide! When you're at this level of play and making the money they make you need to toughen up!!!
Former aaa catcher. McNeil, most modern mlb players, and even the game itself have become female genitalia. I broke up my share of double plays and took and gave countless collisions at home plate. Got a few bumps and beuises bur neither i nor the others involved ever got a serious injury because we all knew how to protect ourselves when facing contact. Middle infielders spent part of every practice learning to jump out of the way after receiving a throw. We did the same at the dish, learning how to receive throws and bracing or rolling with a play at the plate.
Amen.
All sports have been feminized in the name of safety and liability lawyers.
Race cars have throttle plates to limit speeds, football penalties for bumping a kicker, baseball…. Well you already covered that one.
Late, hard slide. Jeff should have jumped and come down on his ribs.
PS how was the DJ Stewart play sliding back into first not called?
Good slide. No problem here. Plus it worked. He broke up the DP
The 2nd baseman caught the ball in a lazy lais sai fair way...he went to throw to first in a non urgent way and the ball slipped outta his hands before throwing to first...and he put blame on the slider. It was gonna be an error on the 2nd baseman
Clean slide… got the job done to break up the double play. I can understand McNeil not being happy, but it’s a legal play.
The slide was what it was. Being a jackass after hiding behind his teammates earned him a fastball in the ribs tomorrow.
Cry baby’s
THIS 🎯
Throwing a ball at somebody is the poooziest move there is. If you want to fight - go fight.
@@kurtinklern3262and sliding into a guy who isn't looking is...
@@kurtinklern3262I dunno. Hiking up your skirt and hiding behind your teammates is right up there in pooozie moves.
If the neighborhood rule of the force at second were still in place, McNeil would have been to the right field side of the bag and Hoskins would have not been in his way at all.
His lead foot looked like it was purposely targeting the fielders lower leg. This is what seems dirty about it.
Looked to me like he turned his arm around the fielder's leg to try to snap the knee. That makes it look like an intentional attempt at injuring him. That practically justifies a fight in self-defense, right on the spot.
Of course he is trying to contact the fielder-totally legal.
In no way did he grab at the fielder. He rolled over to grab the base in order to make his slide legal (bona fide).
Hard, but clean play.
Mets fan here. Zero issues with the slide. McNeil is supposedly a hard nosed player as well, so he should appreciate the slide and get out of the way. If he’s looking for a zero contact sport he should stick to playing golf.
u sound like a hockey fan, a game where intentional injuries "are part of the game".....
Hockey fan: " if you didnt want your star player injured you shouldve dressed 20 fighters on skates, instead of your star player"
Dumb. He’s behind the bag. He was out of the way. Hoskins was clearly out, it was not bang bang- he did this intentionally.
This style of play ruins careers. Hoskins needs suspension or 97 in the lower back tomorrow
@@lunardestruction and you must be a gen z softy. Not a hockey fan, but I was a catcher and more importantly, a big boy. The play was not in violation, thus, I’d not be whining like McNeil, knowing that the ones that played before me suffered much worse. Ever heard the names, Biggio, Alomar, Kent, Randolph? You ask any of them and they’d laugh at this play and wonder why it’s even a conversation.
… and all of them were on roids meaning they were psycho and could recover faster.
Are you still ripping heaters in the dugout? Old man out of touch yells at the sky.
@@BoJackHorseman_eatshay your rationale is insane. So if you were on roids and your mental state was “psycho” your legs don’t break? Cmon man. These men are paid millions and are trained on conditioning and how to avoid injury. McNeil didn’t have the athleticism to get out of the way? Umps clearly didn’t find the play dirty and neither did Antonelli a former second basemen himself.
McNeil played like he should be at 1b! That was a lazy transfer!
Terrible positioning by McNeil
Exactly. When I played middle I was always taught to not be directly behind the bag for this very reason. He has no reason to be mad when he’s standing on top of the bag and never moved his legs.
Just like Tejeda. Terrible positioning, but somehow they're both victims...
It seemed that in the old days the second baseman just needed to be in the vicinity of the base. It wasn't a strict reviewable play that it is now. But at the same time the runner was way outside the base path trying to breakup the double play.
Mcneil didn't look like he was going to execute the play, so maybe he should be mad at himself.
If by "the old days" you mean "pre-2016," and "vicinity" you mean "neighborhood," then quite literally, yes.
Changed my mind after you slowed it down. Great video!
Lets just go back to the old days.
Nah, these guys don't get paid enough to play hardball anymore.
No. We enjoy seeing the best players in the world hit, throw, catch, and run. Blasting into another player (and I'm not saying that's what happened here) means injuries and missed time for the players we want to watch. Changes for player safety are changes for the better.
That's easy to say when you aren't the one on the field.
@@beaneater2152 "Changes for player safety are changes for the better." Okay, so let's have them start wearing the padding hockey players do. Hey, it would be a change for player safety, so it would be better--you said so yourself.
Here's another idea: replace bases with "base circles" that are 5 feet in diameter. No need to touch a base and actually risk contact with another player, just be in the circle. No more pesky "contact sports", just throwing and catching and running.
Heck, forget baseball, let's just have individual throwing and catching and running skills competitions. If that's what you really want to see, then forget the game!
Hey, it's what you said you wanted!
And it's exactly that kind of nonsensical, no-limiting-factor nonsense that produces stupid changes like these. There is no such thing as sports without risk. Baseball is already one of the least risky team sports. But that's not good enough. Players are getting paid enough money for a single game to live on for a whole year, and modern medicine can repair injuries like we can barely imagine. But that's not good enough either.
Really, this is the obvious culmination of absurd salaries: teams invest these ludicrous amounts of money into players so that they treat them as fragile works of art, only to be brought out of the garage when it's sure to be a sunny day with no traffic.
Nobody remembers players like Cal Ripken, Jr. anymore. He played a different game--a better one.
@@blahblah49000 Should I even respond to your ridiculous straw-manning? Sure, why not...
You fundamentally don't seem to understand how human language works. If you tell me, "I like ham sandwiches," it doesn't mean you always want a ham sandwich in all contexts. You don't want a ham sandwich stuffed in your morning coffee. You don't want to replace your hard drive with a ham sandwich. You like ham sandwiches at appropriate times and places.
Likewise, I stated (perfectly reasonably) that changes for player safety are changes for the better. That doesn't mean *all possible changes*. The safest thing of all would be to not play the game, and obviously I'm not in favor of that.
So instead of aggressively and ignorantly jumping on my perfectly reasonable statement, you could have started a useful conversation by asking something like, "So what are the limits of your statement? When does safety-ism go overboard?" That would have been a lot more fruitful.
The "it aint like how it were back then" boomers will be out in force on this one, but McNeil's leg got a bit wrenched and I suspect he's reacting more to the pain than his personal interpretation of the slide rule. It caught him off guard and hurt, so he barked. That also happened back in the day.
back in the day they played real baseball, not this chicken shit crap they play today.
Sorry...but it ain't like it was "back then"..you know, when real baseball was played and not this piece of crap baby ball that's played today. These guys are SOFT!!!.. but they are great at celebrating when they hit a homer in the first inning with nobody on. I must give them credit for that at least
@@JayDesrochers okay boomer
He knew he was out. He was targeting the second baseman. I'm not sure his lead foot even touched the bag as it went by.
It didn't.
That slide was clean, and I'm a Mets fan.
Thirty years ago, the base runner brushes the dirt off and goes back to the dugout.
legal != clean
not liking a rule != there was no rules violation
Good hard clean slide. Keep it up!
💯 clean slide. 2 times Mets people out of position at 2nd base and got taken out.
Runner clearly slid to the left of the base. It was intent to knock the fielder down.
Slide through the bag d bag
Still have scars on my thigh from playing second in the era of metal cleats. Stitches were required.
Haskins wasn’t tough until he had 30 guys standing around. He walked away and didn’t look back until his back up was in place.
When i was growing up announcers always said "get the behind the base and use it as a shield between the fielder and the runner."
at college level, that is the one area where you are not protected, so not good advice anymore
@@andrewme2245 that makes no sense, how is that the one area that isn't protected? Are you protected standing between the runner and the base?
As your excellent explanation of the rule explained, that was a 100% legal slide. So, yes, the second baseman needs to stop whining. I think he's probably upset that even before the runner got there, he had dropped the ball during the transfer. and wrecked a chance at a DP.
Legal but the runner didn't give an inch on that foot contact with the ankle. Didn't affect the play, and it's a good no call. But if a high-school player thinks he can get away with it he's gonna get punched
I remember watching baseball and (2 things)….first the 2nd baseman or shortstop would slide their foot in the vicinity of the bag before throwing to first. Second would be the runner would slide waaaayyyy beyond the bag trying to breakup the double play. By throwing letter of the rule its a “clean slide”. But c’mon…he’s sliding to a point beyond the bag. If you are just trying to make it to the base the lead foot is stopping at the base…maybe a little beyond. Not having to stop yourself with your hands by grabbing the base.
That slide might be "legal", but it is sure dirty. I don't want players careers ruined because some hotshot decided to perform an amateur amputation. If that means the rule needs a revision, then we cross that bridge when we get there.
I don't care what the rules are. These guys are pros and have absolute control of what they're doing. His was a deliberately late slide in a dangerous manner. Trying to disrupt the throw is outside the intension of the play, imo.
Agreed
I really appreciate the take of defensive players needing to protect themselves and not rely on the rules for safety.
That being said, i do think this is a slide the MLB wants out due to sliding past the bag and into the leg on the far side of the bag.
Rules wise it seems clean based on your description, but falls into the 'if you aint cheating, you aint trying' attitude about player effort.
Clean slide. Second baseman lost control of the ball, resulting him not completing the double play and getting off the base. Hard clean competitive play. 2nd baseman was embarrassed which resulted in his over reaction.
Surely leading with your leg that's going nowhere near the sack and aiming straight at the player is not a bona fide slide. Surely the reference to touching the base with the hands contemplates a dive forward leading with the arms? It's hardly a bona fide slide if you're going to use a later-to-arrive part of the body to touch the base while aiming your leading edge, legs and body, at the baseman? Really doesn't look like a bona fide slide to me.
....yeah, good point----if you see my comment here it is basically the same thing you are saying. I am all for hard baseball, but I don't know that I could certify this as a 'clean' slide.
Not dirty. Middle infielders should know to be light on their feet and expect a runner to try to break it up. The runner should try to disrupt their feet without spiking them. That’s the difference.
If the fielder thinks they can keep their feet planted against the runner then their looking for trouble. The runner, while not trying to hurt the fielder, has to disrupt their feet to break up the double play. So they go in with any part of their body besides their cleats. They slide early. Where they set their path towards the fielder. The fielder then has the chance to recognize and avoid unwanted contact. If they decide to stand there and take it, that’s on them.
Signed a middle infielder…
he did spike him
@andrewme2245 runner kept his foot down the whole time. Made contact with the fielders foot. What he's supposed to do. It's dirty if you bring your cleats up to the less protected ankle/leg/knee.
@@jeff3388 runners foot bounces up above the ankle during the slide. I mean, it's a normal thing during a slide, but he does spike him.
It was actually a good slide because he messed up his throw to first. Which is why he did it
Was it legal, yes. Was it dirty, yes. Was it a success, yup.
Looks like a legal slide. foot hit him in the low ankle area and he hung onto the base. He did not change his run to the base.
Clean slide. It was McNeil's attempt to take the attention off the fact that the ball rolled out of his glove when transitioning to this throwing hand.
By the letter of the rules, yes it's a clean play. However, Hoskins intent was dirty. He may not have been intending to injure but he obviously was intending to collide and did so in a reckless manor. I do somewhat question if he did a roll block here. He did roll and was wrapped up around the fielders leg which also can cause significant injury....
How do you know his intent? And the 2B there has to know how to protect himself.
@@dentonyoung4314 It’s pretty easy to infer intent, especially here.
Also Mcneil is literally entirely on the opposite side of the base away from where Hoskins is sliding. Please enlighten us how else he would be able to “protect himself” while still contacting the base for an out and having a chance to turn the double play? Or is he not allowed to do that?
FYI, a "manor" is like a big house; "manner" is the way in which something is done.
@@matrixphijr Where's McNeil here on this play from just last year?
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@@matrixphijr He already had the out at second before Hoskins reached him. All he has to do is -- well, first, he has to not drop the ball during the transfer! But if he makes a clean transfer, he can zip a throw to first and jump up, landing on Hoskins as he slides under him. Just like second basemen have been doing for 100 years.
I have a problem with the body roll. He rolled his upper body to the right into the 2nd baseman's knee. There was no need to roll his upper body. He was right next to and almost on the bag. IMO, illegal due to body roll.
It’s a clean slide. Jeff McNeil is just upset because Hoskins knows the game of baseball better than he does and showed him up on it.
Looks 100% intentional to me....cleats raking the inside lower shin and ankle looked pretty much deliberate. Him dropping the ball doesn't mean he shouldn't have jumped a least a little to not be planted. When he threw that right punch in the air he should have followed through to the side of that jaw bone.
McNeil is a hypocrite...
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the pussification of the game. nice, hard clean slide. eff the Posey rule, too....took one of the best plays in baseball away (the collision at the plate).
Baseball is played hard and fast, but that doesn't make the slide dirty. I see the intent being to break up the DP, which it did. If the second baseman jumps and falls on top of the runners head, that isn't dirty either. If the Brewers continue this throughout the series or season, shame on them and the manager. Let it go and learn to get out of the way.
I see nothing wrong with this it’s a tactical play that isn’t illegal that prevents a double play. You’re just mad because it’s on your team.
In the 70’s or 80’s this slide wouldn’t even be mentioned because the coach that complained about it would be lambasted in the press for being a fancy lad or prissy! 😂😂😂
Even if this slide meets the letter of the rule, it misses the spirit of the rule, which is intended to stop players from aiming their slide at the fielder rather than the base. Just because he gave full body extension to barely reach his hand out and maintain contact with the base doesn't give him the excuse to aim his slide at the fielder. I think the umpire could have had justification for calling the double out on the play
Old dude here. We were always taught to "flip the shortstop [or second baseman]" so I grew up with this stuff. It sucks how he ended up nearly bending his leg back awkwardly, but that appears to be a side effect of the takeout slide and not intentional. In my nearly 40 years of playing the game this would always have been considered a good baserunning play.
Respectfully… the game has evolved since your 40 years of play. Analytics, swinging up, better nutrition, faster and stronger players, and everyone throwing 95 now from the mound has moved the game forward. This is dirty and has no place in the game nowadays. If Hoskins doesn’t get suspended he needs 97 in the lower back tomorrow.
except the takeout slide has been illegal and considered dirty for years now
Yeah, but today these guy are spoiled entitled millionaires, and you just don’t dare “ dis” them.
If you played middle infield you were also taught to just be within 3-5 feet of the bag when you got the ball. Comments about what used to be are just dumb when discussing a "new" rule.
@davidroman1654 Point taken, but this clearly wasn't a violation of a "new rule." The slide was within the parameters of said rule and takeout slide appears to still be a part of the game. And I was never taught to be 3-5 feet from the bag, because in my lifetime only the MLB gave the courtesy of the "in the vicinity" call. So, to borrow from your comment, that's not even an example of how the game used to be; it's what never was. Yeah, I'm an old timer, and maybe I'm not changing with the times, but I can't imagine this is the first time McNeil's been taken out. I'm 48 years old and that play has always been taught as a good baserunning play. And not in the old MLB way where guys would slide out of the baseline. We were taught to slide through the base. Fundamental. If the middle IF doesn't want the contact, he needs to get out of the way while the runner slides through the bag in the basepath that he's entitled to. Am I commenting about how the game used to be? In part, yes. But I'm not sure where the "dumb" part comes in because, like it or not, it's still apparently part of the game, because this slide was within the rules. So McNeil needs to cool it here.
Both hands were up at one point, he also over-slid the base, & solid contact was made… I’m not saying it was dirty, nevertheless it certainly wasn’t clean… For ANY pro ball player, rookie or a veteran, this reaction is enough for McNeil to get upset on a potential career ending injury… To be on the safe side of the slide, I think runners over shouldn’t over-slide at all… Y’all gotta’ check out an extreme case with Will Clark’s slide, from 1988 on José Oquendo & Ozzie Smith!!
Not sure why he planted his left leg for so long. Get the ball, push off the base with your left, throw and jump out of the way. Since he's a utility fielder, perhaps he hasn't had as many reps for that to become second nature.
I think it was a clean play....right up to where he rolled over on that shin to put the bend on the guys knee. That was a dirtbag move.
The slide didn't start until he was at the base. The foot is essentially past the base by the time he hits the ground.
I'm my mind, as an ump, I would have ruled it a bad slide and called the runner at first out.
those bases look huge now. That was a totally clean slide. The fielder messed up and got scared and bobbled and is taking it out on the sliding runner.
If you look at the play, ball is clearly not controlled, yes runner is out on the play, clean slide....there was no chance for a dp.......2nd baseman needs to take it! What happened to real baseball! Some players have gotten too soft
A good hard slide made with the only intent to break up a double play.... and it was successful. Play On !
The video freezes precisely (3:33) at a seeming "roll block" by Hoskins' midsection into McNeil's planted left leg. As you say, it comports [to a point] with the "bona fide slide" MLB rule 601(j), but later it reads, "Notwithstanding the above, a slide shall not be a 'bona fide slide' if a runner engages in a 'roll block'..." and continues with other violations. Because the rules don't specifically define "roll block," it's obviously a judgment call, but I'm guessing the Mets' bench judged the slide's climax to be one. As a McNeil fan, so do I.
I noticed that too with these slowed down replays. Hoskins seems to try to wrap his left arm around McNeil's leg as a rolling block way of hampering the throw to first that wasn't coming. Possibly part of the motion causing by hanging onto the base with his other hand so he doesn't slide way past the bad and violate that part of the rule. Not dirty slide but still a-hole slide.
@@nathanweiss5174: The rule lacks definitions of both "roll block" *and* "a-hole" slides. More's the pity.
The loss in transfer threw McNeil off. Had it been clean, he would had made the throw and gotten out of the way. Contact still would have been made, but his foot wouldn’t have been planted and his leg wouldn’t have bent awkwardly.
The slide was legal, the roll into the leg was dirty
The bases are bigger for a reason, had full access to the bag, and decided to slide well past it... Brewers would've needed a garbage bag to pull their guy off the field if I were there.
No they wouldn't have. You're soft af
You're full of it...
Slide was clean. Second baseman failed to get his leg out. I saw nothing suggesting an attempt to injure. That said, guy will probably have to take a pitch in the ribs sometime soon.
Back my day i seen few SS have "cocky hop skip jump" after the throw to turn 2...yet it was for the purpose of not having cleat in dirt to rip out a knee...some jt learnd a "style" way to do it! Matt...After 4 games and 7 caught stealing by my son...nobody wants to run anymore...they have been tryn get such early jump our pitchers now have about 4 or 5 "step off" and throw ahead to 2nd for the out! We have Easter Tourney Monday,Tue,and Weds (At West Brunswick) and play againts some the top 20 4a schools in the state of NC...so i told him then as i dropped him.off at Sat morn practice that they dont "know him" so they deff gone try him at the start! Him being just 147 and 5'10 eveeyone highly under estamates his sub 2.0 pop with Velo of upper 80s on the throw down...lol
Runners are Not permitted to go beyond the base with their body. Reaching back with a hand to grab the base to stop your momentum just does not cut it. The runner can expect a pitch to his helmet ear hole before they finish this series in NY.
I see that rollover by the runner as “grabbing the fielder”. That was dirty. There is no reason I can see for him to have rolled over other than to trap the 2nd baseman’s lead leg.
This slide is so clean. The fielder is in the center of the bag. Where is the runner supposed to slide? Over the bag! The fielder is not the smartest guy! Be one side of the base, not the middle. Give the runner somewhere to avoid you. Then if you get rolled, you have a legit beef.
The question is can a slide be legal but yet dirty? In this case I say yes. To me it looks like Hoskins rolls his body onto McNeil's lower leg/knee causing his knee to bend backwards.
Mcneil has every right to be upset. The slude might be clean but there is intent to take him out. Its a very late slide and he travels past the base.. plus the way he slides he attempted to cross body mcneil.. the new rule in place for this season says that the fielder can not block any part of the bag. So mcneil is behind the bag.
Mlb needs to adapt a new rule now. U wanna protect the runner from injures fine. Protect the fielder from feet first slides on 2nd. Theres is no situation i can think of that requires you to slide feet first into send unless its to break up a double play which the league is trying to eliminate.
The last torso swing to the right with the left arm to the knee. That is close enough to raising the arms to qualify. Totally dirty and totally illegal. If I'm the pitcher, he gets plunked next time up.
And a Mets pitcher DID throw behind him today, and got immediately ejected.
Because pitching at the batter is illegal. A hard slide in an attempt to prevent a double play is simply part of the game. He is supposed to do that (as long as he slides legally).
There is nothing in regards to swinging his arm at the fielder’s leg. He does not make contact. He is just turning to grab the base (so he can maintain contact in order to make it a legal slide).
I think the second base man was more upset he didnt field the ball and throw it to first , but i always find bench clearing so funny , a bunch of multi millionaires trying to be gangster always tickles me
The runner literally rolled his body into his leg. Absolutely was targeting
He rolled over to grab the base and hang on to it. This is not even close to a roll-block.
Contact is just the runner’s cleat hitting the fielder’s ankle.
Hard legal slide, late, over the bag. McNeil should have gotten out of the way.
Let's be honest, the slide was intended to be a hell of a lot dirtier if the play went down the way it was shaping up to. If the 2nd basemen didn't lose the ball, he was going to be carrying more momentum to 3rd and that was where the slide was clearly directed towards (4-5' left of the bag), and then after the momentum stopped and stayed more centered towards the bag, the runner redirected every way he could to continue to interfere and started to barrel rolle into the legs with disregard to both of their safety. And the unapologetic crybaby taunting by the runner afterwards clearly shows the POS personality we are dealing with, which I presume there is a reputation behind that added additional fuel behind both the 2nd baseman's reaction and the immediate call from the ump.
Mets fan Vince 1973, the internet to cause injury was there, excellent execution, but a sleaze bag move by Hoskins.
Legal, but the rules are on trial with every controversy too, and the rule is trash. This is a dirty slide with intent to injure & ought not be legal.
the intent is to break up the DP, not to injure anyone. McNeil made ZERO attempt to vacate the area/leap/get out of the way. If he had "multiple examples of Hoskins sliding dirty" he should have anticipated it knowing Hoskins was at first before the play.
In the end Hoskins made a slide within the guidelines of the rules and was clean. Was it later than usual? Yes, but clean. McNeil should have anticipated it and made a better attempt to get out of the way.
Well Antonelli said it was a clean slide AND the umps said it was a clean slide so it was a clean slide. Mets player way over reacted
Clearly a dirty slide. Look at his leg bending like that. He curled his body onto his leg. DIrty! 😿
I can completely see where the fielder got a little sideways over it because he got slammed into but I think it's a clean slide. It's just man to man shit. No rules were broken.
McNeil: “I wasn’t trying to turn a double play.”
He absolutely was trying to turn a double play. McNeil was full of it.
exactly, i was about to comment that, he clearly lied
McNeil can be as upset as he wants to be and that's fine, but there was nothing wrong with that slide.
Good slide.. clean slide…nothing wrong with it.. second baseman needs to get out the way.. I guess they don’t teach that anymore..
Move your freaking feet McNeal, legal slide Hoskins wasn't aiming to injure him, just aiming to(and did) break up a double play
A clean as it gets. Mets guy is overeating prob because he dropped the ball.
I overeat whether I drop the ball or not! 😂
The problem is when the Mets throw at Hoskins head tomorrow, the pitcher will get ejected. MLB cant have it both ways. If you let players risk other players careers by allowing dirty slides, then you have to let pitchers retaliate and protect their teammates.
He’s lucky his foot was in the base instead of in front of it - the umpire would then be allowed to call the runner safe and the fielder still has to endure the physical pain from the slide.
The benches clearing for this is exactly the reason they are cracking down on bat flips at the NCAA level.
He is pissed because he lost the ball first
This is the definition of "legal but evil"
So its legal to slide thru the bag intentionally but its not if the position players foot is infront of the bag
Off brand Jomboy. I love it
Seen worse breakup slides than that. Seemed okay. Mets just blow ass. I didn't like Hoskins in a Phillies uni but I got his back on this one.