Just an update on pricing: in 2022, the cold cut saw is now about $400 with blades about$85, and a decent abrasive is about $150 with blades about $40. This might make a difference for an entry-level person.
SERIOUSLY!?!? You are a champion. I had absolutely no idea about any of the points you made and never knew such an alternative saw existed. Am by no means a novice and have 5 welders to help maintaining warehouse, fencing, implements, trailers etc.. one of the most helpful videos Ive ever seen on YT. Many thanks sir
This has been one of my favorite tools. The only thing it doesn't like is hardened steel(rebar, bed rails, stainless) but you can throw an abrasive blade on for those.
You just answered all the questions I had and more. No mucking about getting in to the video, Cut straight to the chase, thank you! You can have all the likes and subscribes I have to offer
+Cruze Missile You can throw a abrasive wheel on these saws and they'll cut pretty well for the random metal. Most hardened items I use my angle grinder.
@@sixtyfiveford I was about to ask if the cold cut saw was good for hardened or maybe even alloy steel, but there you go just get an extra abrasive wheel.
I've used other (10" saws) previously and was pretty surprised with the speed and cutting ability of this Dewalt saw.I have bolted mine to a table to minimize movement which I highly recommend.This is a Great saw ruclips.net/user/postUgkxPeGkHOMe05FySypTOvYumxMn-xi39oRe with a light to see your cutting line (not a laser line).I'd recommend this saw fro anyone looking to upgrade from a 10" miter saw.
Thanks, a carbide combination blade that I bought for my circular saw did go through nails when cutting used 2x4`s. Abrasive cutters do have their place though, I would think. Years ago, we had such a machine in the shop and it cut through 2" stainless steel rod stock like a hot knife through butter, though it did take a while and the cut end did not need dressing up. It did rotate comparatively slowly and the sheer weight of the thing did the work for you.
Not only does is cut cleanly and leaves the cut end cool to the touch but the cold cut saw has the advantage that when you need to cut hardened steel you can change over the blade to an abrasive disc. It’s a tad slower because it’s only 1500 revs but it will get the job done.
Nice! I have both types & hands down love the cold cut saw. I still keep the abrasive wheels for cutting stainless steel. If you try cutting it with the stock blade on the cold cut it will ruin it. However they do make a blade to cut stainless as well.
Thanks . I cut stainless from time to time , and being these blades are expensive , I want to make it last. As an alternative , can't go wrong with the portable band saw chop saw , they cut clean , cool ,and straight , and the blades last longer if you put some grease on the metal you are cutting.
Evolution make a stainless specific blade, it works really well, but does seem to dull quicker when used on mild, surprisingly. I'm a fabricator by trade and use my saw daily. I get through a blade every couple of weeks, but you can get them sharpened and re-tipped.
My go to for cutting is my powerplasma cutter but I will buying one of these cold cut saws soon. Nothing beats them for straight clean cuts that need very little dressing.
I regret not doing any research before buying the Milwaukee abrasive saw. It's what we use at work, but there is so much dust, and the abrasive wheel tends to flex if too much pressure is applied. Didn't realize that the cold saws have come down that much in price
I think the biggest advantage of the cold cut saw to the abrasive cut is with the cold cut saw has no dust! When I started out working back in 1988 I worked at a production shop and they had a cold cut saw but it was a big thing now they are small and affordable good informative vid.
3:35 Couldnt agree more. Ive been looking for a cold cut saw (Ive been sold on these for a long time) but the ones I see were over $400. I put this on my Amazon wish list for sure!!!!!!!!
Good review, I have the abrasive and at the time cold cut was twice the price and the blades were $150 each and abrasive was $6 . Today the prices have come down to the point I would never buy an abrasive chop saw again. Take Care Moe....
+STEVE ROB I've been eyeballing these for the last 10 years and the price is what has kept me away. I use my abrasive so infrequently it made no sense to pay that much. back then I think the Dewalt I wanted was $650 but still sits at almost $500.
This is still one of my favorite tools. The only issue I ran into was it doesn't like to cut harder steel like bed frame angle iron. I stopped before I dulled the blade but if I kept it up it would have dulled it. I've used the same blade here the equivalent of 5 abrasive discs and it is still going strong.
I just bought the Evolution multi-material 14" chop saw. Feb/2021. $229 list, $224 on sale plus 11% in-store rebate(Menard's), so it's still @ $200-ish. Haven't had a chance to use it much yet, I'm a hobbyist, but I made a couple test cuts and was impressed.
I bought an abrasive chop saw a couple weeks ago. I'm on a budget so when I saw that the chop saw was on special for $129.99 ( originally $229.99 ), I bought it. Now regretting that decision because now this week the Evo cold cut is on special for $224.99 ( originally around $449.99 ). Oh well. If could return my abrasive saw I would but it's been used a bit... Edit: that tube holder you get with the Evo see is pretty smart. You actually have me an idea to make my own for my chop saw.
I would keep the abrasive saw in case I ever needed to cut hardened steel...hardened steel will fuck up the expensive dry-cut blades. Both saws have their uses.
There is video about using the 7 1/4" RAGE blade on a lower speed circular saw by making an adapter. I bought a 7 1/4" RAGE blade and put it on an old Makita 12" miter saw I picked up for 20 bucks. Smaller blade = less surface speed per minute. Had to put a higher table spacer for the smaller blade and it runs just under the max rated speed for the RAGE blade.
Good job, I had a chop saw with the abrasive blade,, I agree 100%, a lot of clean up for welding it, when the blade worn down, I junked it, love my band saw !!!!!
SOLD!!! I was just using my abrasive chop saw the other day to cut square tubing and thinking.. there has to be a better tool for this job! It's hard to cut precise cuts with an abrasive chop saw as well. I'm going shopping for my new cold cut saw in a couple days and putting my abrasive chop saw on Craigslist. Great Video - very informative and great examples!
I feel like I get the precision of a miter saw cutting wood with a cold cut. A couple other people commented they will run an abrasive wheel on their cold cut to cut hardened steel or stainless which the tungsten carbide blade doesn't like.
sixtyfiveford talking about "Cold Cuts" makes me hungry for a sandwich. I bet that would work but is probably quite a bit slower since the RPMS are a lot less on the Cold Cut Saw Motor vs the abrasive.
The others have commented that it works great with very little noticeable difference. I did the math and it will work similar to using a abrasive blade that is 1/2 worn down on a high rpm saw (the more worn down the slower it is moving against the material).
I have both the DRY CUT in great, blade are very expensive and I would not get rid of my abrasive saw to use for hardened metals they may harm the dry cut saw.
I've been cutting 3/4" (#5) steel rebar at 45 and 90 degree angles for a concrete pier footer project I am working on. I am using my 4.5" angle grinder. I just bought eight more blades. I wonder, could I just put a comparable blade to yours on my old 10" Craftsman chop saw? Or, is there something geared for this specific use that the Evolution saw is designed that my old saw doesn't have? If so, $200 isn't too much more than the blade would probably be, plus I would have one tool for wood and one for metal and wouldn't have to be changing the blades back and forth. What's killing me is all of the blade changes and working these long hours in the hot sun and high humidity. Thanks for the video.
+BC ElginTex My first metal chop saw was just an old 10" wood miter saw I threw a 10" abrasive wheel on. It was a lot quicker than my 4.5" angle grinder and saved me a lot of money on blades. The company does sell a 10" tungsten carbide metal cutting blade, rated at 5200rpm max amzn.to/27Pix4U
how do you find the cost per cut compares? i have the evolution rage 3 mitre saw and find the blades wear kinda quick, especially on anything round, seems like i could make more cuts in 2" 1/4 wall square tube than i can in 1/2 inch round stock its not feed pressure eiter cause i learned after my first blade to take my time with the cuts and have the work clammed really well think you could make a video on a jig to sharpen the carbide blades?
The small 28 tooth 10" blade on the RAGE 3 is more of a multipurpose and won't give the longevity of the 14-15" blades on the bigger saws. Mainly do the heat generated by the smaller blade can't be dissipated as fast. They do make a dedicated 10" metal cutting blade for the RAGE 3 that will outlast the multipurpose(orange) blade. They boast a 20x life with the Orange multipurpose blades. So in theory the cost per cut is far cheaper with a carbide cold blade. A new carbide blade will cost $60 and 20 equivalent abrasive wheels at $6-7 a piece. So around $140 vs the $60 for a cold cut carbide blade. Also the cold cut blades never shrink like abrasive do so you always have full cutting capacity. Of course just like abrasive fiber blades it's how you treat the blade that'll give it the longest life. I've used mine at least 5 abrasive blades worth and it doesn't show signs of slowing. I have noticed a chipped carbide on 2 or 3 teeth and attribute that to vibration in the clamped item(my fault).
i have a dedicated metal cutting blade, i think its the 10" diameter thats wearing it out just not enough blade there, should step up to a dedicated dry cut saw or maybe a horizontal bandsaw
Absolutely. I've had the s355cps for years and it is great. Earlier this year I upgraded again to the s380cps and it's even better as it has quick angle adjustment.
Thanks for this helpful video. I was only familiar w/an abrasive saw and only came across a CC saw once and didn't know the difference but this definitely clear things up.
Excellent video and great truth ¡¡¡¡ I bought a cutter like yours and it's a before and after. And do not forget the smoke and dust that we breathe with the abrasive disc.... I'm sure it's not good for our health (je je). Thanks for the vídeo and your knowledge ¡¡¡¡ From Uruguay, Daniel.
+sixtyfiveford Yes it is slow but for the odd cut on bedframe, I would rather chew up an $8 blade than an $80 one. I chipped a few teeth the first time on bedframe. Did yours come with the lockdown chain? Mine is an older model and has the twist-and-pull knob to lock/release. It also has a holder for the allen wrench. I have cut 3" angle, but mainly use it for cutting unistrut. A quick-slide clamp would be nice.
I have a DeWalt Multi Cutter and a older Makita abrasive saw. I still find uses for both. I use the abrasive saw for doing off hand cuts at weird compound angles . I wouldn't sell ether saw I have because they have their uses.
I orderd one today, its a little more expensive here in europe, I orderd one in the netherlands online for 300 euro - 334$ because in belgium in the stores it costs 450 euro - 500$ (not cheap) :D realy looking forward to getting it i forst had a abrasive one...
Another advantage op the Evolution saw is that the blade remains almost the same diameter throughout it's life. This is important when cutting larger material or cutting at an angle. You may have to change an abrasive blade to make these cuts since the blade gets smaller in diameter with each use. Also with my Evolution saw came a handout with an 800 number where it appears they cab re-sharpen my old blade when I need it? That will be some time from now, but I will check it out. I bought an extra blade to have on hand, so could ship the old one and await it's return without an issue. Will have to check on the total cost.
Tim theToolman I sharpen cold sawblades. unless you have a broken tooth on the saw blade the most you should lose in diameter is around .8 mm to 1.2 mm( if its really dull)
I don't know how to sharpen them....... but the saw came with a handout for a company that will re-sharpen them. Not sure what it will cost, but I will check in to it when one wears out?
They can braze new teeth to replace broken ones on cold cut blades, sharpening shouldn't be much more than 10 to 15 $, brazing about 5 to 10 $ per tooth...
sir... i have a question please... does the chop saw with stone grinder cylinder could accpt carbide tipped clyinder.. because i really seek if the first one can accept the carbide tipped clyinder..to cut aluminum with acheaper saw
Thanks for making this video, I am about to buy a chop saw soon, and I'm just looking around at this point. I'm definitely going to consider getting this saw.
Best comparison yet! Ive been wanting to switch over due to the dust. Other videos dont show the speed comparison, and it usually appears slower than abrasive wheel.
It's astonishing how much faster this saw is. It does leave little metal shavings around but it's a thousand times better than the abrasive dust and dealing with blazing hot steel.
The evolution is a carbide blade it chews through most materials easily. I am thinking of making my own cold cut saw. What you would need to do is basically attach any AC motor with a 1750 rated rpm and that will do the trick. You can use your old abrasive saw's parts as patterns and cast them in aluminum from your old saw and modify them to fit though 200$ is not that bad. I always thought cold cut saws were 500$ and up. Thanks for the demonstration.
Thanks for the demo ...And mentioning how not to try a router control to slow down the abrasive saw ..It will for sure lose power ..same as a VFD on a drill press Idea ....you will have less torque at a slow speed
That "tube" holder is actually for square and rectangular hollow section. The blades wear out a lot quicker if more than one tooth engages at a time and it puts extra stress on the machine. The idea of that holder is it holds the stock in a diamond formation, so you are cutting it in a more upright fashion than trying to power through a large, flat cross section. Nice touch from evolution, I own an evo and a dewalt 355 cold tct and the dewalt doesn't come with that addition.
$200 is a steal, evolution makes a blade specifically for aluminum and one for stainless. dewalt also makes a saw that runs at 1500 or 1800 rpm. i believe it is model dw 872. both are great saws
I've got a Milwaukee abrasive saw, and I've been trying to know if I could put a metal cutting saw since then. I thought it wasn't a good idea, finnaly I've found my answer. Thanks! great video
Fantastic. The only thing that will dulll it is operator error. That includes not clamping stuff down correctly/tight enough and cutting things it shouldn't/hardened steels (rebar, bed frame rails). It will chip the carbide teeth if stuff wobbles and is allowed to grab.
Excellent comparison!! Answers many of the possible questions you may have about 'cold' cut saws. Both saws are very noisy, face shields and ear protection should be worn for both. With the right blade, they are awesome. Well done video!
+Adrian Higgins It comes with a blade and the blades last 20x an abrasive wheel (cost $58 shipped). So 20 equivelant abrasive wheels at $7 a piece cost me $140 vs $58. Also the cold cut blades never shrink like abrasive do so you always have full cutting capacity. I burned through 1-1/2" of a new blade just doing these few video demo cuts.
I'm curious about the clamping mechanism. I like the quick clamping mechanism on the abrasive saw - I'm wondering why they don't have those on the cold cut saws. Any ideas? Maybe I''ll mod my cold cut saw when I get it so it has a quick clamp style.
They offer it on their higher end model with a cast iron base for $100+ more. I don't see the need for a heavier cast iron base as I move mine around quit a bit and the Dewalt did fine with a stamped sheet metal frame. I've done a fair amount of cuts and the most annoying this is the random wide piece, but for most cuts of 1-3" wide material the quick clamp saves very little, if any time. Repetitive cuts on the same size stock the quick clamp saves no time. I might still pull the clamp off my Dewalt and swap it over (only two bolts).
so I just literally ordered the Rage 2 on Home Depot's website for $169 and then "saw" the Rage 3 for $199 with miter cuts and compound slide... I realize it's only a 10 inch blade compared to the 14 but... now am thinking about the Rage 3. Any thoughts?
Wow, they dropped the price quit a bit. I have the Rage 3 as well. The Rage 3 is more of a woodworking tool that dabbles in metal cutting, Where the Rage 2 is a metal cutting saw that dabbles in woodworking. I wouldn't cut really thick stuff with the Rage 3, where I would in the Rage 2.
it makes sense when the 305mm blade is rated for 2100 rpm max but slightly smaller wheels (250-200mm) could go beyond 4000 rpm and they still fit in the abrasive cutter tool. even though the diameter is smaller they still have a great room to cut since the middle retainer washer is just 60mm. Is using this higher speed smaller saw blades on 4000 rpm machine okay?
+Joel Shapiro They claim you'll go through 20 abrasive blades per one cold cut blade. In the few demo cuts I did I wore off 1.5" off my new 14" abrasive blade. Just like a wood cutting blade, there is no reason I can see to not resharpen them yourself. That being said a new Evolution 14" cold cut blade is $58 where my abrasive blades are $7. So theoretically for every $58 cold cut blade I go through I spent $140 on abrasive ones.
I have had mine for 3 years now. Works great still on the first blade. Pro tip if you do a lot of aluminum get the green aluminum blade it has finer tooth count but won't gum up like the orange one. If I remember correctly blades are 100 each. I scored the saw at lowes for 100 and the orange blades were 50 each. Also really like the 7" circular saw from evolution works great
Have you done a video on the dablo steel demon I think they are rated to like 5400 rpm or something if you have the tool you could use it or I have seen using a miter saw is popular
They tout a 20x blade life over abrasive. I used a quarter of the abrasive blade just for this small demo. Overall, I would say I've used about 4 equivalent abrasive blades with this unit and it shows no signs of slowing down.
I wonder why those lil diamond wheels take so much longer than the abrasive ones (on your grinder vid) but yet these cold cut saws are so much faster than the abrasive...reasoning?
+Mike Idol (capman911) It comes with a blade and I don't see why you couldn't resharpen it. The blades last 20x an abrasive wheel and a new blade will cost $58. So 20 equivalent abrasive wheels at $6-7 a piece cost me around $140 vs the $58 for a cold cut carbide blade. Also the cold cut blades never shrink like abrasive do so you always have full cutting capacity. I burned through 1-1/2" of a new blade just doing these few video demo cuts. As the blade wears down the circumference becomes smaller and takes longer to cut as it is moving slower. A 14" blade has a circumference of 44 inches, so one revolution of the motor drags 44" of blade across the metal. A worn down 8" blade has a circumference of 25 inches, so one revolution of the motor only drams 25" of blade across the material, essentially taking 2x as long to make the cut. The smaller the blade the more torque the motor has though, so you can press harder. You can throw an abrasive blade on these cold cut saws and it will cut at a similar speed to having a worn blade on your dedicated abrasive saw.
I contacted them as I was going to buy it but I had a few questions about they blade life etc. After talking to them for a bit they offered to send me one to test out(once they realized I had a RUclips channel). I had done a fair amount of research and I was willing and ready to buy it. I would pay for this exact saw tomorrow if I lost this one somehow.
thanks for the info! I'm looking to buy one now I know which one I'll get. Also can you get this item at Lowes? Thanks!!And the video with the old gas cans I just picked up 2 at a swap meet!!
The gas can has been a big hit with everyone that sees it. Amazon's price fluctuates and is sometime cheaper than Lowes/Home Depot. Both Home Depot and Lowes have to special order it and have it shipped in.
For what it’s worth to prevent physical damage to your self due to the engineering difference of both saws just buy the evolution 🤦🏻♂️ it’s really only about $200 compared to a medical bill
Yes, I am. It is a high lift pallet jack(It's similar to this amzn.to/20wFUuI ) that I put a plywood board on. It drops to floor level then raises to table height(around 3 feet). It will lift 2 tons and is awesome for pulling heavy items out of my truck bed, moving it to the garage and then working on it.
TheBCSledder As part of my job, I had to cut titanium with cutting wheels. The brilliant white sparks would leave me temporarily blinded and I would get such bad skin irritation from the fiberglass, titanium, and abrasive dust that it would take me days to recover.
Dry cut. Bandsaws are just too dang slow for me. If you had a parts list of something you were building and needed to cut out a few dozen parts: dry cut could do it in under 10 minutes, the bandsaw would take you about an hour and a half.
@@sixtyfiveford Thanks for the advice. Speed is something I never would have considered because the only horizontal bandsaw I ever used was in industrial model in someone else's shop. I hate my Dewalt abrasive saw. My old, underpowered HF chopsaw cut faster and much more accurately until it died. Maybe it is the blades I have been using lately. The cost of cold-cut saw blades is scary, especially not knowing how long they will last, but it's time to move up to something better.
Yes. You can use a hard wax(candle or bees) first and it won't load up as bad. However Aluminum is so soft you can pretty much use any woodworking tools/blades without any trouble.
I want to throw in that @AvE is saying the abrasive saw gets through anything no master how tough it hard it is. So I think your dealing with 2 different intentions. A really hardened maybe titanium blade, vs save paper with cheap blades that can get through almost everything if you got a decent blade. Metal can work in a traditional saw but old school is abrasive and its old for a reason because it gets through a lot of materials and it's quite a bit safer
The cold cut uses a steel blade with tungsten carbide teeth. The abrasive saw uses a fiberglass disc embedded with grit(more than likely Aluminum Oxide). The cold cut, cuts through the steel while the abrasive sands through it.
@@sixtyfiveford So abrasives are more suitable for hardened steels? I don’t know much about these saws, but will the evolution cut steel that has not yet been hardened, or it will just ruin the blades when trying to cut it? I ask because I’ll be cutting some pretty thick stuff that is high carbon, but not necessarily hardened yet. Sorry if this sounds confusing, but I’m working with very specific steels.
@@Grizz0220 It doesn't like high carbon. Cold rolled is the hardest you can cut without wearing the blade out. I suggest you look at projectfarm and his latest video on longevity of blades. He cuts hard stuff. It'll do it but drops the lifespan vs mild steel dramatically.
How much are the blades and approx how long do they last,provided you cut slow and don't rush the blade jamming into the workpiece. are the blades manufacturer specific or do other companies make them as well. Thanks for the video. Thumps up!!!!
They tout a 20x blade life over abrasive. I used a quarter of one abrasive blade just for this small demo. Overall, I would say I've used about 4 equivalent abrasive blades with this unit and it shows no signs of slowing down. In theory the cost per cut is far cheaper with a carbide cold blade. A new carbide blade will cost $58 and 20 equivalent abrasive wheels at $6-7 a piece. So around $140 vs the $58 for a cold cut carbide blade. Also the cold cut blades never shrink like abrasive do so you always have full cutting capacity. Of course just like fiber blades it's how you treat the blade that'll give it the longest life.
Just an update on pricing: in 2022, the cold cut saw is now about $400 with blades about$85, and a decent abrasive is about $150 with blades about $40. This might make a difference for an entry-level person.
SERIOUSLY!?!? You are a champion. I had absolutely no idea about any of the points you made and never knew such an alternative saw existed. Am by no means a novice and have 5 welders to help maintaining warehouse, fencing, implements, trailers etc.. one of the most helpful videos Ive ever seen on YT. Many thanks sir
This has been one of my favorite tools. The only thing it doesn't like is hardened steel(rebar, bed rails, stainless) but you can throw an abrasive blade on for those.
You just answered all the questions I had and more. No mucking about getting in to the video, Cut straight to the chase, thank you! You can have all the likes and subscribes I have to offer
You can't cut hardened metal with a cold cut saw , so you might want to keep the chop saw for drill bits and case hardened stuff.
+Cruze Missile You can throw a abrasive wheel on these saws and they'll cut pretty well for the random metal. Most hardened items I use my angle grinder.
I agree with you 👍
@@sixtyfiveford I was about to ask if the cold cut saw was good for hardened or maybe even alloy steel, but there you go just get an extra abrasive wheel.
You can cut HSS with a cold cut though
@@treasuretotrash2067 As long as it is not heat treated above the hardness of your saw blade.
I've got Evolutions mitre saw and it's honestly the best tool I've ever purchased. Cuts 2x3" HHS and still cuts 2x4 wood cleanly with the same blade.
I agree.
I've used other (10" saws) previously and was pretty surprised with the speed and cutting ability of this Dewalt saw.I have bolted mine to a table to minimize movement which I highly recommend.This is a Great saw ruclips.net/user/postUgkxPeGkHOMe05FySypTOvYumxMn-xi39oRe with a light to see your cutting line (not a laser line).I'd recommend this saw fro anyone looking to upgrade from a 10" miter saw.
Thanks, a carbide combination blade that I bought for my circular saw did go through nails when cutting used 2x4`s. Abrasive cutters do have their place though, I would think. Years ago, we had such a machine in the shop and it cut through 2" stainless steel rod stock like a hot knife through butter, though it did take a while and the cut end did not need dressing up. It did rotate comparatively slowly and the sheer weight of the thing did the work for you.
+1fanger I've seen those large saws with the full size motor; they look like brutes.
Not only does is cut cleanly and leaves the cut end cool to the touch but the cold cut saw has the advantage that when you need to cut hardened steel you can change over the blade to an abrasive disc. It’s a tad slower because it’s only 1500 revs but it will get the job done.
Nice! I have both types & hands down love the cold cut saw. I still keep the abrasive wheels for cutting stainless steel. If you try cutting it with the stock blade on the cold cut it will ruin it. However they do make a blade to cut stainless as well.
+Construct Icon I have never really played around with stainless, that's good to know.
I cut stainless with my cold cut saw and it ruined it after 6 cuts, I have a brand new spare blade but I will try to resharpen the old one first.
Thanks . I cut stainless from time to time , and being these blades are expensive , I want to make it last. As an alternative , can't go wrong with the portable band saw chop saw , they cut clean , cool ,and straight , and the blades last longer if you put some grease on the metal you are cutting.
Evolution make a stainless specific blade, it works really well, but does seem to dull quicker when used on mild, surprisingly. I'm a fabricator by trade and use my saw daily. I get through a blade every couple of weeks, but you can get them sharpened and re-tipped.
My go to for cutting is my powerplasma cutter but I will buying one of these cold cut saws soon. Nothing beats them for straight clean cuts that need very little dressing.
Evolution without a doubt....... Thanks for shedding the light on which is better.......
I regret not doing any research before buying the Milwaukee abrasive saw. It's what we use at work, but there is so much dust, and the abrasive wheel tends to flex if too much pressure is applied. Didn't realize that the cold saws have come down that much in price
These do leave small metal shavings but it is far less than the abrasive saw. They also don't seem to fly as far as the abrasive dust.
I think the biggest advantage of the cold cut saw to the abrasive cut is with the cold cut saw has no dust! When I started out working back in 1988 I worked at a production shop and they had a cold cut saw but it was a big thing now they are small and affordable good informative vid.
I've really enjoyed this saw.
3:35 Couldnt agree more. Ive been looking for a cold cut saw (Ive been sold on these for a long time) but the ones I see were over $400. I put this on my Amazon wish list for sure!!!!!!!!
Good review, I have the abrasive and at the time cold cut was twice the price and the blades were $150 each and abrasive was $6 . Today the prices have come down to the point I would never buy an abrasive chop saw again. Take Care Moe....
+STEVE ROB I've been eyeballing these for the last 10 years and the price is what has kept me away. I use my abrasive so infrequently it made no sense to pay that much. back then I think the Dewalt I wanted was $650 but still sits at almost $500.
There is a huge difference in disks, cheap ones leave a huge burr, it needs so much cleaning that is more convenient to cut it angle grinder
your equipment is of very high quality, the results are clearly extraordinary ❤❤
bought a steelsaw2 a few days before seeing this, glad to see a decent comparison to further validate my purchase.
This is still one of my favorite tools. The only issue I ran into was it doesn't like to cut harder steel like bed frame angle iron. I stopped before I dulled the blade but if I kept it up it would have dulled it. I've used the same blade here the equivalent of 5 abrasive discs and it is still going strong.
Just getting into metal cutting. Your video was very informative and to the point. Getting a cold cut saw for sure. Thank you for posting.
I've been very happy with it.
I just bought the Evolution multi-material 14" chop saw. Feb/2021. $229 list, $224 on sale plus 11% in-store rebate(Menard's), so it's still @ $200-ish. Haven't had a chance to use it much yet, I'm a hobbyist, but I made a couple test cuts and was impressed.
I really enjoy using it.
I bought an abrasive chop saw a couple weeks ago. I'm on a budget so when I saw that the chop saw was on special for $129.99 ( originally $229.99 ), I bought it. Now regretting that decision because now this week the Evo cold cut is on special for $224.99 ( originally around $449.99 ).
Oh well. If could return my abrasive saw I would but it's been used a bit...
Edit: that tube holder you get with the Evo see is pretty smart. You actually have me an idea to make my own for my chop saw.
The Evolution saws are great and a huge time saver. However, I put a lot of hours on my abrasive saw and they're great as well.
I would keep the abrasive saw in case I ever needed to cut hardened steel...hardened steel will fuck up the expensive dry-cut blades. Both saws have their uses.
There is video about using the 7 1/4" RAGE blade on a lower speed circular saw by making an adapter. I bought a 7 1/4" RAGE blade and put it on an old Makita 12" miter saw I picked up for 20 bucks. Smaller blade = less surface speed per minute. Had to put a higher table spacer for the smaller blade and it runs just under the max rated speed for the RAGE blade.
Good job, I had a chop saw with the abrasive blade,, I agree 100%, a lot of clean up for welding it, when the blade worn down, I junked it, love my band saw !!!!!
Band saws are the way to go. That's a great looking COE you have there.
Your equipment is quality, the results are definitely extraordinary ❤❤❤
Cold cut is awesome, never knew it was so fast! Good job on the vid.
I'm impressed by it.
SOLD!!! I was just using my abrasive chop saw the other day to cut square tubing and thinking.. there has to be a better tool for this job! It's hard to cut precise cuts with an abrasive chop saw as well. I'm going shopping for my new cold cut saw in a couple days and putting my abrasive chop saw on Craigslist. Great Video - very informative and great examples!
I feel like I get the precision of a miter saw cutting wood with a cold cut. A couple other people commented they will run an abrasive wheel on their cold cut to cut hardened steel or stainless which the tungsten carbide blade doesn't like.
sixtyfiveford talking about "Cold Cuts" makes me hungry for a sandwich. I bet that would work but is probably quite a bit slower since the RPMS are a lot less on the Cold Cut Saw Motor vs the abrasive.
The others have commented that it works great with very little noticeable difference. I did the math and it will work similar to using a abrasive blade that is 1/2 worn down on a high rpm saw (the more worn down the slower it is moving against the material).
that totally makes sense. I'll have to keep a few extra abrasive blades around as a backup.
I have both the DRY CUT in great, blade are very expensive and I would not get rid of my abrasive saw to use for hardened metals they may harm the dry cut saw.
Yes, true. You can run abrasive discs on the dry cut saw with good results for the occasional cut.
I've been cutting 3/4" (#5) steel rebar at 45 and 90 degree angles for a concrete pier footer project I am working on. I am using my 4.5" angle grinder. I just bought eight more blades. I wonder, could I just put a comparable blade to yours on my old 10" Craftsman chop saw? Or, is there something geared for this specific use that the Evolution saw is designed that my old saw doesn't have? If so, $200 isn't too much more than the blade would probably be, plus I would have one tool for wood and one for metal and wouldn't have to be changing the blades back and forth. What's killing me is all of the blade changes and working these long hours in the hot sun and high humidity. Thanks for the video.
+BC ElginTex My first metal chop saw was just an old 10" wood miter saw I threw a 10" abrasive wheel on. It was a lot quicker than my 4.5" angle grinder and saved me a lot of money on blades. The company does sell a 10" tungsten carbide metal cutting blade, rated at 5200rpm max amzn.to/27Pix4U
sixtyfiveford I'll have to look up the specs on that old saw of mine and see what speed it rotates. Thanks.
I would just throw an abrasive wheel from the Home Depot on.
how do you find the cost per cut compares? i have the evolution rage 3 mitre saw and find the blades wear kinda quick, especially on anything round, seems like i could make more cuts in 2" 1/4 wall square tube than i can in 1/2 inch round stock
its not feed pressure eiter cause i learned after my first blade to take my time with the cuts and have the work clammed really well
think you could make a video on a jig to sharpen the carbide blades?
The small 28 tooth 10" blade on the RAGE 3 is more of a multipurpose and won't give the longevity of the 14-15" blades on the bigger saws. Mainly do the heat generated by the smaller blade can't be dissipated as fast. They do make a dedicated 10" metal cutting blade for the RAGE 3 that will outlast the multipurpose(orange) blade.
They boast a 20x life with the Orange multipurpose blades. So in theory the cost per cut is far cheaper with a carbide cold blade. A new carbide blade will cost $60 and 20 equivalent abrasive wheels at $6-7 a piece. So around $140 vs the $60 for a cold cut carbide blade. Also the cold cut blades never shrink like abrasive do so you always have full cutting capacity. Of course just like abrasive fiber blades it's how you treat the blade that'll give it the longest life. I've used mine at least 5 abrasive blades worth and it doesn't show signs of slowing. I have noticed a chipped carbide on 2 or 3 teeth and attribute that to vibration in the clamped item(my fault).
i have a dedicated metal cutting blade, i think its the 10" diameter thats wearing it out just not enough blade there, should step up to a dedicated dry cut saw or maybe a horizontal bandsaw
I got the newer "Evolution S355CPS" in blue color today, it got rid of all the flaws, you have mentioned about your Evolution model.
Absolutely. I've had the s355cps for years and it is great. Earlier this year I upgraded again to the s380cps and it's even better as it has quick angle adjustment.
This was exactly the info I was looking for! Thanks!
Thanks for this helpful video. I was only familiar w/an abrasive saw and only came across a CC saw once and didn't know the difference but this definitely clear things up.
Thanks.
Excellent video and great truth ¡¡¡¡
I bought a cutter like yours and it's a before and after.
And do not forget the smoke and dust that we breathe with the abrasive disc.... I'm sure it's not good for our health (je je).
Thanks for the vídeo and your knowledge ¡¡¡¡
From Uruguay, Daniel.
Thanks. Good points.
I have the same cold-cut saw and like it a lot. I use an abrasive blade on it sometimes for cutting bed frame steel as it can be pretty tough.
+sctony3 Does it work decent or is it extremely slow for an abrasive wheel?
+sixtyfiveford Yes it is slow but for the odd cut on bedframe, I would rather chew up an $8 blade than an $80 one. I chipped a few teeth the first time on bedframe. Did yours come with the lockdown chain? Mine is an older model and has the twist-and-pull knob to lock/release. It also has a holder for the allen wrench. I have cut 3" angle, but mainly use it for cutting unistrut. A quick-slide clamp would be nice.
Yeah, mine came with the chain, just like my older Dewalt. I need to weld a quick holder for the allen wrench to it.
I have a DeWalt Multi Cutter and a older Makita abrasive saw. I still find uses for both. I use the abrasive saw for doing off hand cuts at weird compound angles . I wouldn't sell ether saw I have because they have their uses.
+ww321 Makes sense. Generally for the weird cuts I'll use my angle grinder or plasma cutter.
Thank you for posting. Answering questions before I even asked!
It's been a joy to own and use the dry cut saw.
I orderd one today, its a little more expensive here in europe, I orderd one in the netherlands online for 300 euro - 334$ because in belgium in the stores it costs 450 euro - 500$ (not cheap) :D
realy looking forward to getting it i forst had a abrasive one...
The European version is a little nicer. Yours should have a cast iron base, mine is only sheet metal.
realy? ok then it's worth the money :D i gues :)
I realy love this machine it cuts throug a full metal round rod of 40mm like butter :D
Thanks for the info. I have a no name metal cutting saw used as a chop saw. Works ok.. But your Evo demo convinced me that is the saw for me!
I can't imagine going back to an abrasive wheel after this.
Another advantage op the Evolution saw is that the blade remains almost the same diameter throughout it's life. This is important when cutting larger material or cutting at an angle. You may have to change an abrasive blade to make these cuts since the blade gets smaller in diameter with each use.
Also with my Evolution saw came a handout with an 800 number where it appears they cab re-sharpen my old blade when I need it? That will be some time from now, but I will check it out. I bought an extra blade to have on hand, so could ship the old one and await it's return without an issue. Will have to check on the total cost.
Tim theToolman I sharpen cold sawblades. unless you have a broken tooth on the saw blade the most you should lose in diameter is around .8 mm to 1.2 mm( if its really dull)
I don't know how to sharpen them....... but the saw came with a handout for a company that will re-sharpen them. Not sure what it will cost, but I will check in to it when one wears out?
Lib Smiter living.
Tim theToolman most the time its based on tooth count. and blade size.
They can braze new teeth to replace broken ones on cold cut blades, sharpening shouldn't be much more than 10 to 15 $, brazing about 5 to 10 $ per tooth...
See, after all these years it comes out, I knew you were a cut up!! 😊 thanks again for the help with the transmission flush advice.
billfromelma a..
I had no idea about this! Thanks for the video!
Haven't decided what model to get.
Any ideas for the 2000's
sir... i have a question please... does the chop saw with stone grinder cylinder could accpt carbide tipped clyinder.. because i really seek if the first one can accept the carbide tipped clyinder..to cut aluminum with acheaper saw
Great vid. I really want to get rid of my friction saw as it's way to noisy. How would you compare the cold cut saw to a metal bandsaw? Thanks
Thanks for making this video, I am about to buy a chop saw soon, and I'm just looking around at this point. I'm definitely going to consider getting this saw.
Any metal cutting saw with the carbide blade is worth it. They cut so much better.
How well does the evolution do on E75 grade drill pipe and sucker rod? I've often used the abrasive chop saw to go through Grade 8 bolts, rebar, etc.
I've never tried anything but mild steel. I know they sell blades for harder metals like stainless, but not sure how E75/sucker rod compare.
on larger round or square pipe (2" and greater) abrasive chop saws tend to cut not so squared does that happens with cold cut saws??
It does not wonder like abrasive saws. I've cut through 4-1/2 steel and it was nice straight cut. Everything I cut is square.
Excellent!
Best comparison yet! Ive been wanting to switch over due to the dust. Other videos dont show the speed comparison, and it usually appears slower than abrasive wheel.
It's astonishing how much faster this saw is. It does leave little metal shavings around but it's a thousand times better than the abrasive dust and dealing with blazing hot steel.
sixtyfiveford ive seen a few guys build chip trays for them, but in a more stationary setup
Great video. Exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for posting.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it.
The evolution is a carbide blade it chews through most materials easily. I am thinking of making my own cold cut saw. What you would need to do is basically attach any AC motor with a 1750 rated rpm and that will do the trick.
You can use your old abrasive saw's parts as patterns and cast them in aluminum from your old saw and modify them to fit though 200$ is not that bad. I always thought cold cut saws were 500$ and up. Thanks for the demonstration.
If you keep watching the saw goes down to 150 with the blade.
Excellent, EXCELLENT video! Now I know what to get in no uncertain terms. Thank you @sixtfiveford ! You the man!
Thanks for the demo ...And mentioning how not to try a router control to slow down the abrasive saw ..It will for sure lose power ..same as a VFD on a drill press Idea ....you will have less torque at a slow speed
That "tube" holder is actually for square and rectangular hollow section. The blades wear out a lot quicker if more than one tooth engages at a time and it puts extra stress on the machine. The idea of that holder is it holds the stock in a diamond formation, so you are cutting it in a more upright fashion than trying to power through a large, flat cross section. Nice touch from evolution, I own an evo and a dewalt 355 cold tct and the dewalt doesn't come with that addition.
Exactly what I was looking for! Thanks for posting!!
Awesome, I'm glad it was helpful.
$200 is a steal, evolution makes a blade specifically for aluminum and one for stainless. dewalt also makes a saw that runs at 1500 or 1800 rpm. i believe it is model dw 872.
both are great saws
I really like Dewalt stuff and I've had my eye on the dw872 for almost 10 years. I just didn't and still don't like their price tag on it.
I've got a Milwaukee abrasive saw, and I've been trying to know if I could put a metal cutting saw since then. I thought it wasn't a good idea, finnaly I've found my answer. Thanks! great video
Thanks for watching.
You can but be careful
You can put a Milwaukee Steelhead blade on it that is rated at 5,500 rpm, but it costs 129$-189$ ☹️
Great video man, answered all my questions. Thanks
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. The cold/dry cut saw is amazing.
made in Sheffield UK. great tools. I have the rage sliding chop saw.
+bidders77 They're a very unknown brand here in the US.
Hello 65Ford: It's years later now, can you tell us how the blade has held up after many cuts? Thx.
Fantastic. The only thing that will dulll it is operator error. That includes not clamping stuff down correctly/tight enough and cutting things it shouldn't/hardened steels (rebar, bed frame rails). It will chip the carbide teeth if stuff wobbles and is allowed to grab.
whats a good brand for abrasive wheel?
Excellent comparison!! Answers many of the possible questions you may have about 'cold' cut saws. Both saws are very noisy, face shields and ear protection should be worn for both. With the right blade, they are awesome. Well done video!
price of wheel ? how long does the blade last ?
+Adrian Higgins It comes with a blade and the blades last 20x an abrasive wheel (cost $58 shipped). So 20 equivelant abrasive wheels at $7 a piece cost me $140 vs $58. Also the cold cut blades never shrink like abrasive do so you always have full cutting capacity. I burned through 1-1/2" of a new blade just doing these few video demo cuts.
@@sixtyfiveford Whats the rpm difference?
Nevermind man, I just saw you mention it in the video, 1500 and 4000. srry bout that.
can we use chop saw blade in cutoff machine?
What kind of cutting disc is that?
great review, if I get a cut off saw, I'd get the cold cut saw.
+Zach'sGarage channel It's a fun tool and it'll save me a bunch of time.
tnx for the video..is the de walt saw can change a blade just like a cold saw in same machine in dewalt tnx
I'm curious about the clamping mechanism. I like the quick clamping mechanism on the abrasive saw - I'm wondering why they don't have those on the cold cut saws. Any ideas? Maybe I''ll mod my cold cut saw when I get it so it has a quick clamp style.
They offer it on their higher end model with a cast iron base for $100+ more. I don't see the need for a heavier cast iron base as I move mine around quit a bit and the Dewalt did fine with a stamped sheet metal frame. I've done a fair amount of cuts and the most annoying this is the random wide piece, but for most cuts of 1-3" wide material the quick clamp saves very little, if any time. Repetitive cuts on the same size stock the quick clamp saves no time. I might still pull the clamp off my Dewalt and swap it over (only two bolts).
so I just literally ordered the Rage 2 on Home Depot's website for $169 and then "saw" the Rage 3 for $199 with miter cuts and compound slide... I realize it's only a 10 inch blade compared to the 14 but... now am thinking about the Rage 3. Any thoughts?
Wow, they dropped the price quit a bit. I have the Rage 3 as well. The Rage 3 is more of a woodworking tool that dabbles in metal cutting, Where the Rage 2 is a metal cutting saw that dabbles in woodworking. I wouldn't cut really thick stuff with the Rage 3, where I would in the Rage 2.
it makes sense when the 305mm blade is rated for 2100 rpm max but slightly smaller wheels (250-200mm) could go beyond 4000 rpm and they still fit in the abrasive cutter tool. even though the diameter is smaller they still have a great room to cut since the middle retainer washer is just 60mm. Is using this higher speed smaller saw blades on 4000 rpm machine okay?
Yeah if the rpm is within the safe limits.
how about the blades, how long do they last and is there a way to sharpen cold cut blades?
+Joel Shapiro They claim you'll go through 20 abrasive blades per one cold cut blade. In the few demo cuts I did I wore off 1.5" off my new 14" abrasive blade. Just like a wood cutting blade, there is no reason I can see to not resharpen them yourself. That being said a new Evolution 14" cold cut blade is $58 where my abrasive blades are $7. So theoretically for every $58 cold cut blade I go through I spent $140 on abrasive ones.
I have had mine for 3 years now. Works great still on the first blade. Pro tip if you do a lot of aluminum get the green aluminum blade it has finer tooth count but won't gum up like the orange one. If I remember correctly blades are 100 each. I scored the saw at lowes for 100 and the orange blades were 50 each. Also really like the 7" circular saw from evolution works great
+G3kRay wax stick for aluminium really helps with gumming etc.
+MrFakit like I said if you do a lot of aluminum it's worth it to get the correct blade
Joel Shapiro we go through a blade in about 4 months...and we cut alot of steel
Have you done a video on the dablo steel demon I think they are rated to like 5400 rpm or something if you have the tool you could use it or I have seen using a miter saw is popular
Thanx for the revieuw, it pushed my discision to buy it ;)
How long has the blade lasted? Have you needed to get it sharpened yet? Or needed to replace it?
They tout a 20x blade life over abrasive. I used a quarter of the abrasive blade just for this small demo. Overall, I would say I've used about 4 equivalent abrasive blades with this unit and it shows no signs of slowing down.
what is best for RSB?
I wonder why those lil diamond wheels take so much longer than the abrasive ones (on your grinder vid) but yet these cold cut saws are so much faster than the abrasive...reasoning?
I'm pretty sure the blades also say they aren't rated for coated metal. Like galvanized
Are these chop saws able to cut at angles similar to a miter saw?
They will cut angles. Not as easily as a miter saw as the work piece needs to be clamped in vs just the blade pivoting in a miter saw.
How long does the saw blade last and can they be resharpened? I can cut all the way down to the spindle if I need to on an abrasive saw.
+Mike Idol (capman911) It comes with a blade and I don't see why you couldn't resharpen it. The blades last 20x an abrasive wheel and a new blade will cost $58. So 20 equivalent abrasive wheels at $6-7 a piece cost me around $140 vs the $58 for a cold cut carbide blade. Also the cold cut blades never shrink like abrasive do so you always have full cutting capacity.
I burned through 1-1/2" of a new blade just doing these few video demo cuts. As the blade wears down the circumference becomes smaller and takes longer to cut as it is moving slower. A 14" blade has a circumference of 44 inches, so one revolution of the motor drags 44" of blade across the metal. A worn down 8" blade has a circumference of 25 inches, so one revolution of the motor only drams 25" of blade across the material, essentially taking 2x as long to make the cut. The smaller the blade the more torque the motor has though, so you can press harder. You can throw an abrasive blade on these cold cut saws and it will cut at a similar speed to having a worn blade on your dedicated abrasive saw.
Was this a Sponsored video? Did you buy the saw yourself, or was it given to you by them? Thanks!
I contacted them as I was going to buy it but I had a few questions about they blade life etc. After talking to them for a bit they offered to send me one to test out(once they realized I had a RUclips channel). I had done a fair amount of research and I was willing and ready to buy it. I would pay for this exact saw tomorrow if I lost this one somehow.
Hi could the evolution cut hydraulic hose? Thanks and great review
On steel braided hose, I would think the strands would get pulled on and do an uneven cut. But I really done know for sure.
thanks for the info! I'm looking to buy one now I know which one I'll get. Also can you get this item at Lowes? Thanks!!And the video with the old gas cans I just picked up 2 at a swap meet!!
The gas can has been a big hit with everyone that sees it. Amazon's price fluctuates and is sometime cheaper than Lowes/Home Depot. Both Home Depot and Lowes have to special order it and have it shipped in.
Hey, thanks! would you know how to convert the motor of an abrasive wheel cutter to a cold cut type of RPM?
It needs to be physically geared down, or a lower RPM motor. So there really is no economical way to convert an abrasive to an appropriate RPM.
Great, thanks for your quick reply. I will try it anyways, mechanically using pulleys and belts.
For what it’s worth to prevent physical damage to your self due to the engineering difference of both saws just buy the evolution 🤦🏻♂️ it’s really only about $200 compared to a medical bill
Are you using a pallet jack as a table? Sure looked like it in the video.
Yes, I am. It is a high lift pallet jack(It's similar to this amzn.to/20wFUuI ) that I put a plywood board on. It drops to floor level then raises to table height(around 3 feet). It will lift 2 tons and is awesome for pulling heavy items out of my truck bed, moving it to the garage and then working on it.
That is brilliant my craigslist just got longer! Thanks!
great review. Got to get a Rage 2 soon!
I've been really happy with it.
So why do dewalt and Makita make abrasive saws? There must be some benefit to abrasive cutting?
They're cheap, that's why. Dewalt and Makita also make carbide blade metal cutting saws for generally 4x the cost. I know the Dewalt is around $750.
What I hate about the Abrasive wheel saws is the fiberglass dust. You should wear a dust mask and I end up the day being itchy.
+RyeOnHam I never really thought about what the discs were made of, but that makes perfect sense.
I've got lots of trigger time on cutoff wheels. The other thing about them is that they tend to gum up with aluminum, like a grinding wheel will.
+RyeOnHam Yes, I've gummed them up pretty good with aluminum.
I never thought of that :/
TheBCSledder As part of my job, I had to cut titanium with cutting wheels. The brilliant white sparks would leave me temporarily blinded and I would get such bad skin irritation from the fiberglass, titanium, and abrasive dust that it would take me days to recover.
Hi, Evolution Rage 2 is not available in our country. Any recommended alternative for bosch, makita or dewalt brand?
The Dewalt DW872 is a great saw with the same technology. It is built better than this Evolution and is definitely a commercial saw.
Which would be better? A Dry Cut Saw or a 6" HF Horizontal Bandsaw?
Dry cut. Bandsaws are just too dang slow for me. If you had a parts list of something you were building and needed to cut out a few dozen parts: dry cut could do it in under 10 minutes, the bandsaw would take you about an hour and a half.
@@sixtyfiveford Thanks for the advice. Speed is something I never would have considered because the only horizontal bandsaw I ever used was in industrial model in someone else's shop.
I hate my Dewalt abrasive saw. My old, underpowered HF chopsaw cut faster and much more accurately until it died. Maybe it is the blades I have been using lately. The cost of cold-cut saw blades is scary, especially not knowing how long they will last, but it's time to move up to something better.
Thanks for the review very informative. I need one as well...
I've been very happy with it.
Was about to buy the Makita carbide but didn't know Evolution's price was half of Makita...may have to go order this one! Thanks!
The Makita and Dewalts are nicer/more refined for sure but it's hard to beat these for half the cost. I haven't had any issues with it.
Is this jake Woods American brother?
What's the thickest steel can you cut with the CC blade?
I've cut 3/8" thick I beam with 1/2"+ webbing without any issues.
Cold cut looks awesome !! Doesn’t it cut faster also !??
Yes it does! At least 4x faster on most stuff and really thick steel probably upwards 10x faster.
Doesn’t aluminum gum up the abrasive blade?
Yes. You can use a hard wax(candle or bees) first and it won't load up as bad. However Aluminum is so soft you can pretty much use any woodworking tools/blades without any trouble.
I want to throw in that @AvE is saying the abrasive saw gets through anything no master how tough it hard it is. So I think your dealing with 2 different intentions. A really hardened maybe titanium blade, vs save paper with cheap blades that can get through almost everything if you got a decent blade. Metal can work in a traditional saw but old school is abrasive and its old for a reason because it gets through a lot of materials and it's quite a bit safer
Do you know the material composition of both discs?
The cold cut uses a steel blade with tungsten carbide teeth. The abrasive saw uses a fiberglass disc embedded with grit(more than likely Aluminum Oxide). The cold cut, cuts through the steel while the abrasive sands through it.
$200 is a steal of a deal! No question
HeadFlowInc it's $380 according to the link he provided.. 🤔🙄
No dust, very little spark, and a blade you might be able to resharpen. What's not to like.
can't cut stainless though, seen a brand new one fail on that!
Hello from Greece !!! Can you spray just a little bit of oil on the cutting metal piece for the dry cut saw blade??? For better ???
You could, but it really doesn't seem necessary.
don't you have to sharpen the cold cut blade quite often?
They claim they last 20 times the life of an abrasive blade. I see no reason why they couldn't be resharpened if the teeth weren't chipped.
Can the evolution cut high carbon steel?
How thick of steel can the evolution cut? Can it cut solid steel round or square stock, or only tubing?
It'll cut a railroad tie. It'll cut anything an abrasive will except hardened steels. Cold rolled is easily cut.
@@sixtyfiveford So abrasives are more suitable for hardened steels?
I don’t know much about these saws, but will the evolution cut steel that has not yet been hardened, or it will just ruin the blades when trying to cut it? I ask because I’ll be cutting some pretty thick stuff that is high carbon, but not necessarily hardened yet.
Sorry if this sounds confusing, but I’m working with very specific steels.
@@Grizz0220 It doesn't like high carbon. Cold rolled is the hardest you can cut without wearing the blade out. I suggest you look at projectfarm and his latest video on longevity of blades. He cuts hard stuff. It'll do it but drops the lifespan vs mild steel dramatically.
@@sixtyfiveford I’ll check that out. Thanks!
How much are the blades and approx how long do they last,provided you cut slow and don't rush the blade jamming into the workpiece. are the blades manufacturer specific or do other companies make them as well. Thanks for the video. Thumps up!!!!
They tout a 20x blade life over abrasive. I used a quarter of one abrasive blade just for this small demo. Overall, I would say I've used about 4 equivalent abrasive blades with this unit and it shows no signs of slowing down. In theory the cost per cut is far cheaper with a carbide cold blade. A new carbide blade will cost $58 and 20 equivalent abrasive wheels at $6-7 a piece. So around $140 vs the $58 for a cold cut carbide blade. Also the cold cut blades never shrink like abrasive do so you always have full cutting capacity. Of course just like fiber blades it's how you treat the blade that'll give it the longest life.