How Parkland Changed School Safety
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- Опубликовано: 19 дек 2019
- As the young survivors of the Florida school shooting keep up their marches and walkouts for gun control, the NRA is pushing back with its own go-to narrative: “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”
In the aftermath of the Parkland shooting, lots of schools seemed to agree with that approach and moved to put more "good guys" in the classroom. This week, Gianna Toboni sees firsthand how some teachers are taking up arms and explores the deep divisions in America that make stopping these mass shootings seem nearly impossible.
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As a cop, I can tell you that being a cop doesn't make you an expert on active shooter response. I know a lot of civilians that I would rather have behind me in a stack than other cops.
This in itself is a concerning comment and should have everyone worried 😅
@@koach7779 But Sadly, its true :(
@@koach7779 Why should everyone be worried??
@@Alex-bq8qd if I really need to explain it you might just be part of the problem.
@@koach7779 please explain to me how you train someone for that kind of situation?
It's not the same as a simulation when some whack job is spraying the area with live fire, with their primary goal being to kill as many people as possible, including any law enforcement or perceived "threats" to their "mission".
The issue is certainly more complicated than just guns, America needs to fix its people and its power balance.
@Kevin Montrond I don't know about that. Reagan defunded federal mental asylums and they were just let out in standard population so where do you get figures if they aren't tracked?
America needs help but the problem is America is like a person you can’t help it with France medicine
Bullying in Schools could contribute to school shootings I imagine
@@neckbeard4007 and better mental health care.
Easier to restrict guns than fix hundreds of millions of unpredictable people who could flip any moment.
"Usually pawns don't know they're being used as pawns" - a pawn
WeirdestWolf the woman is being used as a pawn by the liberal media. They want to outlaw fire arms rather than investing money into help for mental health.
@@bigfrxgz5207 I think we have to deal with the source of the problem to find legislation that can protect the children first. Mental health is important too and I am sure most places have facilities to treat those problems.
Yes but what is the dangers of outlawing guns? You think you cant get them illegally? I knew a guy who could get me a fully automatic ak from Romania for $400. Plus there are recipes online for pipe bombs and other improvised weapons. All your doing is removing a law abiding citizen from defending themselves against a criminal but against a tyrannical government.
@@kristiannoetorres This is an interesting rebuttal to the argument that privately owned guns would be of much use in protecting citizens from a tyranical governement, see what you think:
ruclips.net/video/gfHXJRqq-qo/видео.html
@@bigfrxgz5207 Mental health would be where they should start. The law knew the Parkland shooter was mentally ill, and ignored that fact.
Sane people practice gun safety, they don't pull that stupid mass shooter crap.
“Do you know how fast I can reload my glock?”
Said every person before they shot up a place.
And he brought up the fucking hogs in texas haha
@@chucklebutt4470 its funny until youre a farmer in texas and hogs are completely destroying your crops and your livelihood
@@killthatbeast4392 You don't need an AR-15 to hunt hogs. An old double barrel shotgun will do fne.
I make a good living off eradication of hogs on farming lands
And sir a shotgun helps but you need the rounds when there is just 2 hogs they will take two buckshots and keep coming
You havent seen the damage these wild hogs do?
I have several different builds for hunting hogs a shotgun is not going to cut it
Ar 15 with fully loaded mags only way to hunt these beasts
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Hank Schrader is proof you can take on an AR15 with a handgun. RIP Tuco.
Lmao
@Tommy K M4 is what the military calls their version of the AR15 which I believe is manufactured by Colt if that is correct, it has the option to be put on automatic fire unlike its civilian available counter parts.
They can’t even check if our teachers are sane enough to make a classroom safe. 2 separate teachers from my hs had a mental breakdown if front of the class... can’t imagine how those situations would of ended if they had a gun in their possession
Stephanie Castro that’s why people train to be calm under stressful conditions. Not everyone is cut out for it unfortunately. I had a high school teacher who lived 200 feet away from the school and all the teachers have said that if there was a mass shooting in progress, they would run to his house, because he has an arsenal of weapons at his disposal to combat a school shooter or 2. It’s all about who you can truly trust with your safety within school faculty.
Stephanie Castro exactly, a teacher with a gun is power I don’t trust on a stranger
I'm a huge gun rights guy but violently oppose putting guns in the hands of teachers. I was repeatedly assaulted by my teacher when I was 13. he used me as a way to vent his anger caused by his deteriorating homelife. If he had a gun, I'm sure I would have been dead by now
same happened at my school !
@@artofkraneoxiii5335 thats not answering the question. the issue is that mental health among teachers is poor, and having access to a firearm could make it worse/fatal
And how will the police responder see the difference between “the bad guy” and a scared armed teacher?
They wouldn't just send any regular Joe for this, they would, as said, be trained to deal with these situations and they could also use a radio or code word to identify eachother
What if there's a bad teacher with a gun? I've had teachers arrested at my school for fighting with students or being drunk. putting a gun in the classroom is a horrible solution.
Sebastian Molina what if the cops have a gun? Oh wait they do.... there are many cops out there that are not mentally fit to carry a gun.
People also don't realize police don't know who the shooter is. They could very well think a teacher with a gun is the active shooter and shoot them instead.
anecdotal evidence
Practically speaking, a bad teacher could bring a gun onto campus regardless of what the law says. "No guns" signs only keep the honest people honest.
Robert Bridge there are schools that have already implemented arming teachers. It’s better than doing nothing.
You don't have to be a previous cop to want to save your life or kids lives, self preservation is human nature
Well most gun deaths are suicide an owning a gun makes you 5 more likely to commit suicide.
Suicide is Americas 10th most common death let's not make it 5 times
worse!
Well banning guns is not going to fix the problem either. All your going to have is a bunch of depressed people with no guns.
@@kristiannoetorres I'm not saying that we should ban guns.Just make a licensed system that would take 3 weeks to pass rather than the background check that only takes 108 seconds.
That has proven to reduce suicides and gun violence.
Also if your suisidal get some professional help.90% time that would get stop your suisidal thoughts.
@@ovilersmith5006 I see where your coming from but the problem is that the purpose for the 2nd amendment is to overthrow a tyrannical government. Giving the government the information to all owners is like giving a wolf the keys to the hen house. We know our government wants to take away our rights. That's why media outlets like vice create these spectacles. Especially now we need to be more vigilant for gun control and that's just the simple truth.
Elong Musk that’s like saying when I’m driving I’m 5x more likely to get into a car accident, should we then ban cars? I’m a gun owner myself and I haven’t had thoughts of suicide at all. I would recommend you shouldn’t use that argument. Suicide is a mental health problem, not a gun problem.
Just the reality of kids and families having to know and be trained in Code Yellow, Red, and Black for school seems insane to me.
He stores his guns next to his waterfall. Lmao
You'd think that the waterfall will oxidize and ruin his gun collection!
@huzaifa gujjar lol you make more sense than vice does
I wish one day he over does his cocaine or mixes his alcohol & pain killers, then *drowns in that pool*
... then someone makes a bumper stiker .. *_the only thing that can save you from drowning in a pool ... are GUNS_*
@@justdeidra13 Likely he put them there for the show. 👀
What type of idiot shows the world where they keep their guns.
Mark N. Lol it sounds about white💊💉😂😳😡😈😵
Watching this after Ulvade, Texas makes me incredibly sad and disappointed for the lack of effort on our governments part.
There's plenty of effort, but the issue has been politically leveraged for so long that the gridlock lets nothing happen.
Every school needs at least 3 highly trained police officers to be at the school during school hours.
Watching this as a British person feels like a fever dream.
Yea you guys get stabbed, we get shot.
@@HeavyProfessor
Far less likely to die to a stab, or even be stabbed in the first place.
Also please point out an event where a single person has killed as many people as the Parkland shooter did.
As a Brit myself I have to agree, Its absolutely insane that people want to take away peoples rights and think that PROPERLY TRAINED teachers are a bad idea.
@@Pikkabuu The Sagamihara stabbings
@@jackherer519
Ok. One event where a person attacked sleeping people. Can you offer any other events?
And here I thought teachers were supposed to teach
Lemme teach you a life lesson - bang bang
Bionic they do teach and they teach with safety
They do and can. Using a firearm isn't that hard.
My wife is a teacher, and she loves her students and would love to be able to protect them in an active shooter situation. I would love for her to be able to protect herself.
G G, so really what your saying is that gun control, in the most strictest way, still doesn’t stop all shootings or guns coming across the border. Thanks.
What if one of the teachers loses his/her mind and slaughters all the kids?
Lol that can literally happen to anyone with a gun... it’s a risk
What if a cop loses his mind and does something similar?
There is one imposter amoung us
What if the school resource officer does that?
i was just thinking the same thing 💀
My school has 3 police officers that stay on campus every school day (it's a small school). Also every dean has an ear piece so that whenever there's even the smallest incident everyone knows about it. Not to mention there's like 3 exits at every corner and brick walls. Everyone knows it would be a bad idea to try something at the school. We did get a threat 3 years ago but he immediately went to long terms. My school don't play these games.
While it is good to be prepared wouldn't it be better that you DIDN'T need to prepare as there is no danger?
@@Pikkabuu What do you mean? It is better to be prepared for the worst than not, no matter the circumstances. As the saying goes, it is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war.
You seem to be an idealist. You want a utopia where no one is evil and no one wants to murder. But you see, even though we all want this, this kind of world would never exist in real life. There will always be bad people as long as there are people. It is human nature. Now we can do things to minimize the chances of mass murder happening, such as addressing the root causes that drive some people to want to commit mass murder in the first place. After all, the rise in mass murders is but one symptom of the increase in mental illness, and our society would be vastly improved with better mental healthcare. But even if we somehow got rid of all insanity, there will still be some evil people who just want to kill. And gun control won’t be much help if that’s what you’re suggesting, as plenty of mass murders have been done without guns and with much higher casualties (OKC bombing, Kyoto arson attack, Daegu subway fire, Kunming knife attack, etc.). All in all, it doesn’t hurt to be prepared for the worst. You can hope for the best, but still be ready for the worst case scenario. Even if there is a one in a billion chance of something bad happening, I would still not take any chances when it comes to safety.
@@tommyk5690
As I said. Which is niceer. The fact that your school has to have armed security just in case, or that your school doesn't have to have armed security as there is no danger at all.
And no. I'm not talking about an utopia, as multiple countries in the world don't have armed security in schools as the danger to schools is less than minuscule!
And yes. US has ignored lots of problems that are helping mass shootings happening...
Also notice that to use alternative ways one has to gather up a large party of people, or utilize means that are very rare! Making bombs isn't as easy as you think. Hence why guns are the preferred method as killing with them is easy.
Amazing, glad to read this….
As someone from the Netherlands, the idea of allowing people to have and use firearms is fucking insane. Why do people just not see that the REAL way to stop bad guys with guns is to take away those guns? Adding more weapons to the equation doesn't fix ANYTHING in the long term, it just makes things worse! Of course you don't want your children to be slaughtered by a school shooter, so make sure the shooting doesn't even happen in the first place! Start restricting guns, making them illegal in the future, and offer better mental health services to students so they won't even pick up a gun in the first place! It's incredibly frustrating that so many people just don't see this truth!
Americans will never allow their guns to be taken
Americans have fought and died for our country for us to be free and have rights. Shall not be infringed period. The media paints a bad picture of guns 🇺🇸💪🏼
I work in the security industry and guns are great tools that can escalate and deescalate a situation. An idea they should implement is security doors, cctv, or armed guard. I think it’s horrible what happened to these kids and my little brothers school had a gun threat not too long ago but I do agree that this type of evil will never end unfortunately.
I do armed security too and at this point I'll do it for free at my kids school.
This video is just scape goating. Guns don’t kill people, people do. They’re trying to over look the mental health aspect and instead blaming it on the guns. I live in the UK guns are banned and still we have loads of gun crime. Knives are banned and yet we have massive knife crime. Liberal media is something else.
Advertise mass shooter failures not their names. Execute those with extreme prejudice who carry out these attacks do not take them alive.
@@rocdaneweracap Me 3.
@@bigfrxgz5207 as stated here, Australia has done it. And the whole idea that "guns don't kill people, people do" is stupid. Yes, people willingly choose to kill others, and their method of choice was an easily procured gun. Would you be okay giving anyone off the street a tank? A nuclear bomb? Then we shouldn't be giving anyone off the street a gun. We need much stronger gun laws and background checks. As it stands, any mentally unstable person can get a gun quickly and effortlessly, and if not, they can always bypass the background check and buy one private. The issue with guns is they can give the person with bad intentions the ability to do massive damage quickly and effectively. That's not something that should be easily accessible
I don't get how documentaries like this always talks about the guns and ask law abiding gun owners how to stop mass shooters and why it is happening. I don't know? why don't you ask a Criminal Psychologist why theses kids are killing or shooting up schools, theaters, and what not
Hmm but all countries have psychopaths, why do the American ones have repeating firearms in their hands? And for all those who bring up knives clubs etc, ill ask would you fight/run vs a gun toting idiot or a melee swinging idiot.
A Good well, every country has forms of violence. A gun is a tool used by these degenerates. In France, a terrorist used a truck to plow down people, why? Because of ideology. My point is violence exist anywhere. More people are getting killed here in the US by hands and feet than the dreaded AR-15. This is a fact and can easily be researched through FBI database
@@702flyguy its like selling chemical weapons cheaply easily and freely and then wondering why people are getting hit by chemical weapons. Force multipliers exist and firearms have very very narrow utility (shooting lead at high speed). Anything can be a weapon but theres a reason why infantry's main armament is rifles and MGs.
Chinese Sparrows no not really, the analogy is off. Because you can not defend yourself with chemical weapons. The reason why I have firearms is because I have a family to protect. I don’t brandish my firearms in IG or RUclips they are tools to keep me and my family safe. There are locked in a safe and I have taken numerous classes in handling and using them properly as intended. If you look at statistics more lives are actually being saved because they have firearms either prevented or subdued criminals. Facts, easily can be looked up at CDC website I believe around 500k to 1m a year.
@@702flyguy nobody is asking all Americans to give up their guns. But you could support more stricter controls and regulations for people to get guns. Trevor Noah did a docu-segment on Switzerland which has a thriving gun culture but no mass shootings, partly due to such regulations.
"The AR-15 is the common choice of mass shooters and school shooters"
No but actually no
I liked vice when they were independent. Now they are super liberal.
It’s such a shame, because VICE used to be so informed and well made. Now it’s nonsense “woooowwww the ar is so louuuuddd omg I’m so shooooockkkedd” you know what guys, let’s just make MURDER ILLEGAL!!! I FIGURED IT OUT! BAN MURDER! MAKE MURDER ILLEGAL!!!
Easy , use the same ammo and bring your ar 15
Pepsi Man yeah i think its really whatever they can get into their hands and shoot with lol
show them a .30-06 or a 45-70 gov bullet wound from rifles dating back to the early 1900's...
Jacob Smith 💀💀💀 “gapping hole”
50 cal smooth bore ball hahaha
Jacob Smith it’s why I keep an M1 around
Lucid Frxgz or lack thereof....
@huzaifa gujjar wtf English
Just pray that the good guy with a gun stays as a good guy with a gun.
@william terry he's right
So where have the good guys been so far across America?
william terry why does every major US city have a higher homicide rate than London
william terry we are not subject to the queen as she has extremely limited powers, knife crime in the Uk is massively exaggerated in US media by republicans
Apparently the NRA and the gun industry (who both profit from stoking fear from the public) want us to return to the days of the Wild West, where everyone is walking around with a gun on their hip...and you don't know who the bad guys are until they have pulled their gun and shot someone in the blink of an eye.
That doctor must have never seen a "hole" left by a hollow point 45 ACP. That hole is anything but small
DeJulius Caesar imagine a 45 hollow point to the dome 😂
@Rielero805 just vote for hillary. Everything will be a - ok.
Those pictures are misleading, that was the wound days after surgery, probably they had to remove some tissue
@@riccardosartori3822 23:40 She says that being shot by a handgun will leave "a little, circular hole". That idiot has no idea what she's talking about.
Jesus Christ. That training. Overweight teacher runs towards gunfire. Falls over. Sweeps gun across his advancing colleague. Doesn’t even shoot the guy when he gets there.
This can only go well.
It’s called training, the teachers wouldn’t be there if they genuinely didn’t want to learn self defense. So instead of making fun of their weight, you could thank them for their selfless act of training to protect others.
yeah lmao , check 8:16, what can go wrong? , but to be honest if they are going full tactical teachers, its better to have this small accidents happen during training, learn how to run with a gun, and be ready when the real thing happens,
That is what the training is for.
I did think the same thing. It wasnt pretty.
However, "the more you sweat in peace, the less you bleed in war."
“You’re going to hold the gun choice of a killer” According to statistia, in 2018 the number of murder victims by weapon: handguns killed 6603, knives killed 1515, blunt objects killed 443, rifles (including the AR-15) killed 297.
Cars have killed more than nukes. So nukes are safer?
Hmmm
A Good don’t be a dumbass. Handguns have killed far more yet it’s the scary black guns they’re after
@@CARBONHAWK1 hmm just stated cold hard facts?
Frequency and force multipliers differ. Dont confuse stats with potential
A Good ruclips.net/video/-POsn6vhEjA/видео.html here’s your cold hard facts
Except this doesn't help your argument as all as this just proves that handguns, the most basic firearm you can own, are incredibly lethal by themselves. Also, assault rifle kills may be relatively low, but they have high involvement in spree killings with high bodycounts (e.g. the Las Vegas shootings).
As an aside, the argument that armed teachers will protect students falls flat when you consider a) de-facto private security goes way beyond the purview of education and teaching contracts, b) there is no practical way to ensure regular training (or compel a teacher to be armed!), c) they're forced between constant carry risking accidents/theft due to negligence or constant storage which defeats the point, d) it compels shooters to actively target teachers, forcing aggression rather than evasion, and thus e) there is no guarantee friendly fire from teachers/law enforcement won't occur due to escalated conflict. And these are just the issues I can think of...
this was shot in 2018 and uploaded at the end of 2019 - damn that is some slow internet VICE!
Had to be edited to fit the agenda
it's first on HBO Now in 2018 but just uploaded to RUclips
shows the leftiest agenda of the Vice
I mean they had a lot of thumbs down on its trailer so they wanted to make sure they get both sides' perspective.
'Police Beretta so it carries 16 rounds."
No any free state can have a handgun that carries 16 rounds.
1911GreaterThanALL my pistol has a 16 round magazine...
Thinking about switching back to a 1911 though, I can fire faster and more accurately with a 1911 than I can my current pistol and there is a lot to be said for that.
@@The_SmorgMan I only use my 1911 for competition. I carry a Glock 19.
1911GreaterThanALL glock 19 is a great pistol, can’t ever go wrong with that.
@@1911GreaterThanALL was actually just about to comment. I absolutely love the 1911. However, the Glock 21 has a better aesthetic, is more ergonomic, double stacked, and still carries the benefits of the .45 over 9mm.
@@seanld444 More ergonomic? No the 1911 grip angle is far better. Glocks are bricks and 1911s are thin. The placement of the grip safety, where your pad fits on the trigger on a 1911, even the fact that you grip metal and gripy rubber over textured plastic is more ergonomic.
I don't support mass shootings, I was personally always teased and bullied by other students because I used stammer I learning Disability and I was not good sports,and I was different and continues bulling and teasing is mental harrasment and causes the person to be mentality unstable. The continues bulling and teasing caused be to become introvert and less confident. If other student would have treated him nicely and with respect the Parkland Mass shooting would not have happened. Stricter measures should be taken in schools against bullying and teasing which will help prevent mass shootings.
In short the NRA are saying: I love my guns more than I care about people's lives.🤷🏻♀️
If an armed robber came at you and you were well trained in the use of a firearm I think using that firearm will be the the difference in life and death.
Well yes. If you then pull a firearm, the armed robber will shoot you. There is a reason why most british cops don't wear firearms. It makes it more likely for the police officer to be shot.
Furthermore: Why do you let robbers purchase guns? In europe this situation just never occurs.
@Speaking Truth Let's say America was disarmed.... What's to stop the Cartels from selling our criminal elements guns.... They already do. Canada doesn't share a border with Mexico. I have watched mass stabbings in other countries. I would bet money that if these people that were going on mass shooting sprees had no access to guns they would make bombs. It's to easy to get the chemicals you need at local stores. My point if someone is trying to Create Havoc they will.
@@FactsFirst What about australia? Your point is completly invalid because you can't really compare the situation in america with the situation in africa because first the United States has a (more or less) functioning government and second you would have to compare the US to other first world countries. But there is only one first world country where a ban on most fire arms has been implemented after they were legal for some time: Australia. And guess what? It worked. The number of fire arm related deaths dropped around 61 percent since the buy-back-program started and the murder rate has also dropped dramaticly.
Seems like you are wrong.
Guns and ammo are so cheap and easily available. Its similar to a shithole country like Iraq. More guns is not the solution, just look at the middle east.
@@FactsFirst that is correct when there is so much supply of firearms and ammo. Same with the opioid crisis, once the harmful stuff is widely available and cheap tacking on some laws wont stop the killing. The US is doomed eh?
23:36 you sure about that? What if it’s a 50 cal dessert eagle, they think ar 15s are the only guns that have a “big” bullet
having been in an exact situation like this, fearful, silence, and emotionless at the same time . i can tell you that as i came into adulthood something struck clearly to me. This world is filled with people who mean to do harm. there always has been people with that intent for whatever reason it may be. i know one thing that ill carry with me and it is that i intend never to be a victim again. i will not and cannot forget, but i can make the odds better in favor to myself, my family, and the innocent. life and liberty and the power of self defense to all people who choose to uphold our right to do so.
When people think gun control is the problem instead of young mental health x.x
gun control really is a problem... this doesn't happen in any european cities/countries does it? americans just wanna think that because they have been brainwashed
@@PepsiCubes They have massive stabbings and Sweden has a grenade problem. The crime rate is dropping the problem is that the media motivates some shooters by gloryfing the event.
@@mansory7996 massive stabbings? stabbings went from rare to unlikely (meaning more happened) in the UK but they still do not even come close to the amount of shootings and casualties in the US. I'm not sure about Sweden though. The most recent "mass stabbing" killed 2 people and injured 3 I believe
@@PepsiCubes In the long term, violent crime in the United States has been in decline since colonial times. The homicide rate has been estimated to be over 30 per 100,000 people in 1700, dropping to under 20 by 1800, and to under 10 by 1900.
When both are problems and you can’t ignore either x.x
“This is the beretta I used, it’s a police beretta so it holds 16 rounds “ common sense has left the room
Biig boss daddy didn’t know 16 round magazines made something designated as “police”
@@lolingkwarts3999 they sell 30 round glock mags you can buy at walmart.
I think that's all OP was saying.
Wtf?
@@sk8punk318 what ?
@@The_SmorgMan funny, then i guess all my 16,18,33,75,120 round magazine designate me as the goddamn army.... stfu
I don’t get how anyone can look at a high school math teacher, who’s never been in a confrontation more intense than telling a waiter that they got their order wrong, and be like “yeah i can trust this person to not accidentally murk my kid and/or calmly and effectively end the life of (more than likely) someone else’s child”
Individuals are individuals. Just because they are a teacher doesn't mean they don't have any guts. That thinking is very lazy and is why gun control advocates make fools of themselves.
1911GreaterThanALL bro i’ve seen how undertrained individuals behave under duress and old as shit, out of shape, less than basically trained teachers are in no way shape or form ideal battlebuddies. They’re more likely to kill a student or each other than actually getting the shooter. The kind of training they’d need would have to be intense and full time which at that point just hire them as full time cops instead
@@autoklashkinov I compete in 3 gun and honestly under the clock to shoot relatively accurately can be done with very little training. People are overestimating the importance of training. Yes you should know what you are doing but you don't need a class to develop a long class to develop muscle memory - you do that on your own.
In all fairness, we're talking about Broward County here. It's the same sheriffs department involved in that UPS truck hostage situation, where the police fired 200 rounds and killed both the hostage and an innocent bystander. I'd put more faith in a math teacher than the cops in that area.
1911GreaterThanALL 3 gun is tight as shit i’ll give you that but that in no way compares to the stress brought on when you know someone is killing people and actively trying to kill you
Born after columbine.... Damn that made me feel old.
I know quite a few cops and quite a few gun owners. the private citizens have more training, more rounds shot, and more knowledge than a huge majority of law enforcement.
We glorify the damn shooter. Stop that and over time it will stop being a choice for attention.
dmfool21 Or we make it harder for people like that to get guns in the first place, so they even if someone wants to shoot up a school they can’t
Except most publications don't even use their names. Nobody glorifies them. A better action instead of doing nothing like you're suggesting is to do something
I forgot the names of most of the shooters whose names I knew in the first place
yea umm... nobody glorifies the shooter. no one remembers their names. no one makes a movie about them. they fall into obscurity. maybe... MAYBE address the psyche of people so they are not pushed to the point where they want to harm people
It’s not us. It’s the media, blame them.
Do you think shootings like this would happen at schools in the hood? I’ve talked about it with some of my friends and we say that something like this wouldn’t happen at our school or others close to ours, because there’s a hand full of kids that at these schools that actually carry around weapons because they’re gang related so if there was an active shooter. Some of the gang bangers would probably shoot back. What do y’all think?
Well generally schools in areas like that already have several armed police in the building do to gang violence.
I think something needs to be done about the poverty & institutionalised racism first.
@Meg youre ugly
Also the fact the news don't really care about people's lives in the hood and usually school shooters want to get attention for their actions
Coming from a school in the "hood," most schools have metal detectors and even then, the more "ghetto schools" where they have a lot of active gang members make their students have clear backpacks as well. So I kind of doubt a lot of kids would bring their guns to school. We had some gang violence where a student was shot, but these gang members deliberately know not to shoot in a place with a lot of people. Idk about your community but the ones where I live have the common sense not to do it in a mf school
US: School Shootings
EU: Internet is down for an hour
dont you guys have anti vehicle blocks around schools up there in the EU after all those truck attacks?
@@EKSolinari... OK. Thanks for your time.
Bionic I hear Europe suffers from govt led genocide...
Didn't 50 people die at a rock concert in France. You have no sense.
@@EKSolinari at least we can safely go to school and not fear of a school shooting
These kids are so young and unfortunately they had to go through some really terrible shit, but they need to realize that in America, there's literally more guns then people; banning guns would literally just screw over the law abiding citizen because the bad guys will still find way's to get guns. I live in NJ a state with some of the strictest gun laws and recently we had a shooting as well and no one could defend themselves against the shooters besides law enforcement. In my state you can literally buy an illegal gun for 100-200 and you can damn well bet that most the bad people have em. Banning gun's wont just magically make em all disappear. Now keep in mind i'm not saying we do nothing, i'm trying to say that this issue is really complicated and it's not as simple as just saying ban all the guns.
The US is so fucked. I can't find any other word. Whether it's about guns or healthcare or abortion or everything else. It's just a complete mess. More guns than people lmao, this is absurd.
Anyway, probably not what you want to hear, but I'm so happy to be in Canada.
Celebrities kids and rich kids go to school and are protected by armed guards (for the most part). Why not have our public schools protected the same?
It's not convenient for politics stop exposing us.....
Cop security guards or arm the security guards we have retired police officers at my old high school
You gonna pay that extra tax?
@@jesseling6672 Why not? I already pay for other people's kids with my taxes even though I've been responsible enough to not procreate without having my finances in order.
@@Roughneck8 then you're a minority,so to speak
18:37 this moment is very important to the interview, because its where the interviewer suddenly is on top. Up until right then, Grant had been giving very good answers that more than sufficiently covered the question. But after this point, he starts slipping because he no longer has a good answer. even if the question was bad, he still decided to attempt an answer rather than call out the question.
Very fair and balanced video. I was pleasantly surprised that you acknowledged the full arguments for pro- and anti-gun laws. There is a middle ground to be found
There is no middle ground. 2A period. No compromise.
@@TheOwenMajor there is always a middle ground/compromise
@@hystericalstares7507 not on constitutional rights. "Shall not be infringed"
@@kaleb5265 there are those that have supported a loose interpretation of the Constitution and those that favored a strict interpretation of the Constitution. These two groups reached a middle ground by allowing the supreme Court to interpret the Constitution. Throughout history, Constitutional rights have been questioned and most of the time, a middle ground was reached.
However, with another interpretation of your comment. In s situation where someone is say, questioning the authority of the Constitution, a middle ground could still be reached, but I and most Americans would not support budging on the authority of the Constitution.
I believe that there is always a middle ground, but the middle ground that could be reached is necessarily a good thing.
@@hystericalstares7507 Give an inch and they will take a mile. We learned that the hard way up here in Canada, people are just know growing a backbone.
"The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun." The biggest problem with this, is that good and bad is subjective. One group of people think one idea is good, and another group will think it is bad. As the idea gains more followers on each side, eventually we will all have guns, and great belief in our set of ideas. This is a very dangerous combination, when just about everyone can get a gun, because once the shots start popping off from the crazies who have certain ideas, and the other side fires to defend themselves, there can be a cascading series of events. Think about if this happened in a protest. This is the real danger of the laws of public bearing of arms in protests, the vitriol of modern society, and the growing unwavering belief of the different subsets in combination.
Think ya got that backwards haha
@@sk8rblaze haha thanks Mike.
Why not just set up turrets in the hallways that will help it🤣
Yes, if my child (or even if I was in a classroom) I would like knowing there was unidentified person with training to be there to help. It is amazing what someone can do in a life and death situation. Time slows down. This is better than the alternative, especially with the astounding amount of guns already in America. There is a reason the targeted locations for these dispicable acts are most often in locations where law abiding citizens are not allowed to carry. Glad the doctor somewhat explains that it is the ammunition and not just the weapon.
And what if that person is in a classroom alone? He is responsible for those kids so will he leave them alone?
Not to mention what happens if the shooter sees the teacher first?
In the cases the doctor is discussing, it's mostly a matter of muzzle velocity. A .223 rifle has about twice the muzzle velocity of a 9mm pistol. High velocity bullets produce very nasty exit wounds, even if they are not designed to expand or fragment. Yes, the composition of the bullet matters, it's an essential part of the equation, but only part of it.
You should've talked to colin noir instead.
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FATE aaayyy same
Why?
In Canada, there are as much guns per people then in the United States. Yet, the last mass school shooting I’ve heard of happened before I was born. So what's the difference? I'll tell you what's the difference: the type of guns and the mentality around it. The great majority of guns in circulation are hunting rifles, heavy, slow and made for mid-long range. Nearly all assault rifles accumulate dust in collections and museums. Here, a gun isn't considered a extension of a person's freedom, but a tool of *dissuasion* in case of threats or attacks. Also, we rarely see guns in public, so it raises questions when we see one.
Gun control has an indisputable impact on the number of shootings. It's not about banning all guns, it's about restricting the relight type of guns.
Did they forget that the Sutherland Springs shooting was stopped by a GOOD GUY with a gun??
They will NEVER acknowledge that FACT, or what just happened and prase a real American Hero like Jack Wilson.
You mean the former Sheriff who also owned a gun store. Also 2 people still died
Yes, it's true that a "good guy with a gun" can and sometimes does stop a rampage killer. But we should still try to stop the "bad guys" from arming themselves. It's really effing simple. It always has been.
Agreed, the "good guy with a gun" almost never happens.
Everybody is just a perfect storm of a day away from becoming the "bad guy", and the only thing stopping more people from becoming "bad guys" is social security and not more guys with guns.
I just imagine a teacher out and about and suddenly something goes down and they’re like “it’s ok you’re safe I’m a teacher!”
The good guy with a gun at the mall stopped a bad guy with a gun at the mall recently
This was more of a one sided point of view.
Where did they find a trauma surgeon that would downplay GSWs from handguns as "little holes?"
Lol
A teacher could easily confuse a “good” student with a “bad” not a good solution.
Thank U for talking about this now; To remind never to forget of what is going on in our country and growing more and more, almost EVERY MONTH a mass shooting happens in the States. Greetings from a Floridian, now in Serbia
THANK YOU LADY
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He is talking like there is a war in schools and that a few casualties are ok if most survive. How is this a thing
And yesterday and armed shooter went into a church and was blasted in the head by a church goer. Not only that, 3 total guns were drawn on the shooter. But tell me again about how a good guy with a gun isn’t the way to go?
I definitely agree with armed guards. Especially if the jobs could go to veterans, retired police officers, etc. not the teachers though unless they happen to have a LO or military background.
That's what my school does. They also make sure all the students get to know the guards (school police officers). My school has been doing this for 20 years and never had any kind of incident close to a shooting.
Just because you have a badge doesn’t you are any more competent than an average gun owner and a lot of officers are completely awful with guns and just treat qualification as some bs check mark to continue their job
oh, Jesus its the same trauma surgeon from The Who treated Uvalde shooting victims at the university hospital, poor women
5.56/.223 are intermediate rifle calibers - roughly half rifle caliber power.
An intermediate rifle caliber. Is a rifle caliber. As opposed to a full powered rifle caliber.
@@Soff1859 And?
@@1911GreaterThanALL thats what i'm wondering
@@Soff1859 Did you even watch the video?
They are making the argument that such rifles chambered for these calibers are MORE powerful than hunting guns. That they are high powered rifles which isn't the case.
@@1911GreaterThanALL did not get so far yet. Just very sounds like those ridiculous allergic reactions to anyone calling a semi AR or AK an assault rifle etc.
Either way depends on what hunting rifles ;) a .22 is certainly less powerful than a 5.56 and can be used for hunting too.
Giving teachers guns in classrooms? Yeah that will end alright wouldn't it? How about you promote the awareness of mental health issues and helping those that actually need it. Fighting fire with fire isn't always the right solution, there are other better ways.
Golden Eagle why wouldn’t it end right? Teacher are cops that make you learn things!
EXACTLEY, Guns are the problem adding more guns wont fix the problem. Canada is a perfect example
Making schools less of a target is a good solution but you are right mental health and ultimately how we treat others.
What do you get when you mix a mentally ill loner with a 'society' that abandons them and treats them like trash?
YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE.
- The Joker.
@@user-vr3fu2ek8d there are plenty of firearms in Canada LMFAO
Why can’t we do both?
Totally agree with this teacher. I’m s 24 yr elementary teacher. She is a hero in many ways. Thank you for this very excellent video.
"This is heavy jesus" holds a 6.5lb rifle
People assume teachers aren’t capable of reaching a point where they themselves would turn a gun on students.
Christopher Bravo you think adults are any less vulnerable to factors that cause mental/emotional disturbance which leads to the majority of these shootings. Both of my parents are teachers and I see how stressful and mentally taxing their jobs are. Especially when you are stuck in a room for 7 hours with a bunch of children who openly express negative things to you. You don’t think that for *some* individuals, the presence of a firearm when under extreme mental stress may lead them to see it as a way to threaten or lash out?
first last how frequently though? This makes things increasingly complicated because of all the time and money and paperwork it would take. I know for a fact teachers don’t have much free time and money, and certainly don’t need more paperwork. But if schools are willing to have monthly mental evaluations then that’s their problem.
Teachers with Guns I am an Educator, and I don't trust some of my coworkers with a gun.
Good guy with a gun stopped the Sutherland spring shooting
People who own guns are criminals
@@ugandaknuckles3419 I know 🤣😂 goo back to sniffing paint thinner
@@ugandaknuckles3419 Most of the people that legally own NFA controlled firearms here are judges and lawyers. Stop putting your foot in your mouth.
In my country we had earthquake drills. Third world country problems.
ony 3rd world countries have earthquakes?
WoWplayer527, oh lord. You missed the whole point. 🤦🏽♂️
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what if the special trained personnel will be mistakenly labeled as the shooter? gosh havent they thought about that? in that kind of situation..it is really hard to know who is the active shooter… anyone can be a shooter who has a gun in his hands…
That actually happened in some Southern state. Police got a report on a shooter at a mall and arrived in and shot a guy with a gun. Then they found out that the guy was a "good guy with a gun" that had rushed the scene to stop the shooter....
When was this filmed
-Is Carmen in there?
-Her picture is, I don't know about her.
Dude, wtf was that? Is everything fine at home?
That was my first thought.... Pretty weird haha
@@devonmckay2428 I caught that too. Like wtf yo.
I think she meant her signature or note that kids write in yearbooks
Good guys with a gun can be bad guys with a gun
F B I all depends on how they’re defined under the law.
Lmao that’s a self defeating statement.
double digit IQ comment
And here we are again with the Uvalde, Texas horror.
The host of the TV show would get along great with Trump
I agree, Trump 2020 ♥️🇺🇸😉
matt torres no
Roddy Moohan 🤣🤣💀
Yeah and you would probably get along with Hitler. I mean he was for gun control.🤷♂️
@@kristiannoetorres Dont forget Chairman Mao and Jabroni Stalin!
Arming teachers is not a solution nor is more gun control. First I do not want teachers with guns, some teachers are crazy and I dont want them to have a gun around children. More gun control also will not work, criminals will always be able to obtain tools whether they are guns, bombs or knifes. The real solution here is providing therapy or mental help to those who need it. We need to work on prevention, assessing high risk students and giving them the help they need.
or teach everyone how to handle guns effectively
Not everyone can “get better” with mental health help. My sister threatened to kill students at her school and was sent to a behavioral hospital for years. She’s only gotten worse over the years and is no longer in public school system. If she was and had access to weapons, I truly believe she would have gone through with her threats.
You dont need teachers with weapons, you can als use secured clasroom doors. With only by emergency can open from inside.
Doormaker lobby is not as strong. Doors are not as fun.
You don't need doors with special locks. You need gun control. Like the rest of the world.
@@maman89 lol gun control doesn't work because criminals don't care. Go move to Brazil and let me know how it goes
What if the shooter blind fires into the classroom by shooting through sheet rock? What if they opt to bar the doors and set the building on fire?
@@maman89 Virginia is attempting that and flirting with treason. Treason's penalty is death. American private ownership is entirely based on radicalism.
I've been shooting since I was a kid for sport starting at 14 and training as a police officer since I was 21. I'm retired now and still go once a month to a shooting club, where most are civilians, who are shooting and moving to cover, clearing malfunctions, watching backdrop. Half of them, with no police experience, are as good and some better than I am with the training they have received from trained instructors. Those teachers were getting top notch training and it was very impressive from what I saw. Any person (teacher) can pick up a weapon to defend themselves and others successfully, with the proper mindset and training.
I remember a great quote from my favorite show
"Just like everything else in the 21st century, school shootings were invented by the black man and taken by the white man"
- Chris from everybody hates chris
This is specifically designed to cause an emotional reaction to intellectual problem.. gun laws dont effect offenders they could care less.
What needs to be addressed are the mental health issues in this country and how they are being handled
They say what happened after Parkland changed things for the better and it didn't it started something else, arming teachers has created fear amongst classrooms and has allowed students to be scared of coming to school, these stats won't be shown now but they will in the future
We just had a teacher from a local district threatened to come and shoot up the school. I know of another teacher who had her assistant steal her identity and take out all kinds of credit card debt in her name. As much as we would like to think that all teachers wear halos, there are always a few bad apples who could use a gun AGAINST staff and students. How is this not thought of?
Every policy has a down side my dude you can’t have anything perfect in this world . The problem is which will be less painful. 20 being shot in the corner of a room or 5 being shot before before the shooter is shot.
I'm not sure what the interviewer name is. But people who say Vice has an agenda. Are completely gone. Everytime. And I'm sorry I dont know your name..everytime she interviews she asks and shows both sides of the story. That's how you report and document things that matter!!! This is how you show the world what is going on behind the scenes!!
#Hillary
Yeah I thought she was really fair, though it seems important to mention that the Sutherland springs shooting she spoke to the doctor about was stopped by a neighbor with an AR-15. Given the piece’s overarching narrative about “good guy with a gun”, it’s unfortunate that this was excluded.
15:05 a young Alex Jones
Wow. Seeing the damage a AR-15 can do to a body, a child’s body is truly horrifying.
Grant Stinchfield is an expert at nothing but spouting NRA talking points and his dodging and doubting the facts regarding mass shooting statistics demonstrate exactly how much of a literal and figurative tool he is.
As usual, ignore the issue spend money on 'fixing it'.
How long ago was this shot....
Early april
Mikerphone on god
You can’t regulate evil but you can regulate evils access to weapons.
It’s all wordplay at the end of the day. Zero action.
I hate that they cut him off right as he was going to talk about prevention
Teacher signs up to be a teacher but ends up becoming armed security guard
Only in America !
Again anything evil about the AR15s can be said to any 556/223 semi-auto rifle, interviewing a police officer and putting a dozen of rounds thru an AR won't suddenly make the claim "AR15s are different and special and particularly powerful" more credible. I agree with the lady that arming teachers is ridiculous and the NRA just wanted to sell more guns, but no, what she's suggesting, banning ARs won't solve your problem either.
9mm hollow points literally expand inside of a body leaving shrapnel inside of the body
As a teacher at an Elementary school, I would feel very uncomfortable with a gun.
These poor HSers, right after this covid started...
I’m 43 graduated in 1996 and we had armed police @ the school in the town I lived of 17,000-18,000 population. Put the vets that have came back from war to work guarding our children from these crazies. Give them a purpose seeing that on average 4 vets a day kill them selves and I believe whole heartedly that they feel they have no purpose and this would give them honor and purpose back home in the states. One more thing I want to say is that w/o doubt a good guy with a gun will stop a bad guy with a gun 100% of the time, if that good guy is not in a gun free zone that is..
I get why schools want to arm teachers, a act and react type solution but at the same time there needs to be a prevention solution as well. Maybe America needs an intervention because teachers aren’t taught to shoot firearms anywhere else in the world.
I remember being in school and being at lunch outside and hearing a car backfire and people stopping longing around then moving on. this happened a lot at my schools and I remember laughing at it at the time but now I don't think it is that funny.
Was this aired in 2018? But 1st played on RUclips Dec 2019