I want to thank Evergreen for giving a guy like me access to someone like this. Their loss is the gain of everyone that is willing to listen and expand their knowledge and ability to approach the gaining of that knowledge from multiple angles. P.S. I love Douglas as well
I think this exact thought often :) If Evergreen hadn't gone so far off the rails as to lose people like Brett & Heather, I would have never gotten this kind of access.
Which sort of proves the point that once people catch on to the game, it becomes unable to compete. They shed the great minds to maintain uniformity and intensify the concentration of the cancer, wanting for it to spread through the lack of resistance. In doing so, the minds that would normally be their greatest assets , become a cell that broke off from the cancer, undamaged but able to transfer immunity to other cells by shared experience.
Toby Stover, that’s a good counter question to achieve balance! Not sure I could match the question-crafting wisdom of Thomas Sowell, but I’ll give it some thought and come back...
@@tobystover Peter Theil mentioned that he thought the biggest myth for conservatives in the US was the idea of American Exceptionalism. That said its a bit more in depth... simpler questions might be "who gets left out" or "who does this benefit the most". Would be interested to hear other peoples ideas though!
I began listening to this while driving to a job site, 30 minutes in I happened upon one of the handful of barnes&noble book stores still open in Atlanta and I stopped to buy it on the spot. Now, I can not wait to get home this evening for a first read.
Broadcast television is unwatchable. It panders to the lowest common denominator and half the time it's nonstop advertising, honestly the only person I know who actually watches television is my 92-yr old grandmother.
How far or fast can humanity progress when people in the know repeat "marshmallow test" on kids as a prediction of a particular outcome on their future?.
I'm working on that. Referring to one of Mr Murray's own identity affiliations, I'm reminded of "The story Israel cannot bear to tell about itself". I won't attribute that to anyone in case I bring down the Lord's wrath upon them.
The best thing to come out of the SJW implosion at Evergreen is that the world found Bret Weinstein. I for one am most grateful to enjoy your intelegent, thought provoking discussion. Thank you Bret.
@Daniel McEwen gays should not be on board with the trans stuff where it's like that 7yr old boy in Texas getting transed by his mother because for example he liked the movie Frozen, or supporting/enabling people like Rachel McKinnon or Jesica Yaniv. the trans thing is getting way too insane and makes LGB look really bad.
@@7QHook They should also oppose it because if gender is a social construct you can't be born attracted to the wrong one (wrong biologically speaking) and if it's sex rather than gender, people can just switch sex without doing anything other than declaring it so a gay guy can just find themselves an xx person with a masculine vagina that was born wrong and voila the religious right wins again. I mean it's all bullshit anyway but the internal logic becomes glaringly insipid when you throw the trans stuff in the mix. We're at the point now that no one can even give a properly woke definition of what is and isn't a woman and if they try they're liable to get canceled. These people want to destroy reason itself. The whole goal of Cultural Marxism is to create a climate of confusion, fear, derangement and resentment to tear down the very social fabric of the countries they want to fall. I just hope they know that when it all comes tumbling down they're going to be the first to die in the ensuing chaos.
Just stumbled upon it, but all the rest I've seen, were pretty similar. As in seen one seen em all, yet this one stands completely on it's own, and that is great.
@@raifthemad I disagree completely- Weinstein blows it. Makes it too much about himself, personal...exactly what Murray has disliked in other interviews - “identity” I find Murray’s conversations with other Brits more forthcoming and revealing.
Great conversation. Suggestion: Keep a dual screen at all times of the conversation, despite however long a person speaks. Reaction of the listener to the words as they are being spoken is also interesting and important to watch.
Been loving these interviews with Douglas Murray, watch everyone that pops up on youtube and he seemingly talks about something a little different. This one was definitely at a higher level, Bret could really get a whole lot out out him. Great interview!
Benno Brett’s great. He always has such interesting questions. I’ve been watching all of the Douglass Murray interviews and they’ve gotten a little repetitive but I knew for certain Brett Weinstein would ask completely new questions.
Great conversation. I do not agree with Brett's liberal views, but appreciate his intelligence (and courage) and absolutely love Douglas. This conversation was a real treat, hope you two do this again! p.s - this is how it (a dialogue between the opposite sides, should be done).
I bought Douglas Murray's audiobook the day it came out and when I played it I remember thinking, "What!? Is he going to read the whole book!?" I went back and looked and, sure enough, Douglas reads the entire manuscript and it is so extremely satisfying. The way in which he delivers each line, with the various tones and inflections, is spectacular. It is worth every penny just to hear him read the immortal words of N. Minaj who he quotes before the first chapter.
Just when I thought I couldn't possibly love the minefield metaphor more than I do . . . 45:36, Bret: "Here we're going to step on a big landmine." Douglas: "You go first."
I'm not sure people will get the connection, but this reminds me of a bit on King of the Hill, where Dale tells his wife that he just returned home from his gun club, where they were playing Russian roulette, and she asks him if he won.
Among the handful or two of great thinkers/ authors/ podcasters that I am generally glad to hear from, Bret may be the apex ... if Evergreen had to go super nova (or was it black hole... brown dwarf ?) to expel Bret Weinstein into our world's orbit, it was worth the loss of Evergreen, at least in my books..
True, and also it wasn't his own students who confronted him in that infamous hallway video. His students (and most of the Evergreen STEM students) were just trying to avoid the protestors, and to keep up with their studies. Professor Weinstein ended up holding his classes off-campus, after being warned by the college that they couldn't guarantee his safety on campus, because President George Bridges had told the campus police to stand down. 🤦🏾♀️ And now, the protestors from back then won't be able to attend their own graduation, because the college is temporarily closed due to the pandemic. The whole Evergreen story is being told here on RUclips on Benjamin Boyce's channel (he was a student at the time, but not one of the protestors).
English Conservative writer/intellectual and brilliant Liberal (radical?) professor together again. Great respect to both. If one supports free speech, one is first a liberal.
@SleazyC69 The Liberal has lost its meaning. Today, the word Liberal means Leftist. There are very few Liberals today who care about protecting free speech or the Constitution.
i’ve always been repelled by the hypocrisy, ignorance, and hate from the right; but now in the last few years, i’m finding myself becoming equally repelled by the left for the same reasons. glad there are still voices of reason like Douglas Murray while we navigate through these turbulent times.
Just ordered Douglas's audiobook. His voice and manner of speaking are so glorious, he could read the phone book, and I'd listen. The fact that his message and writing are also riveting is just icing on the cake. Nancy Robertson
I totally agree. Having confidence is stepping out of the status quo, going against the grain and superstition. Having confidence is like stepping out of the Darkness in to the Light.
Ken Clarke!! He, along with fellow cabinet minister's of that time period, were part of one of the worst criminal and revolting cover ups/turning a blind eye, in recent times
Bret will never wake up to the point of understanding the time to be Conservative is now! It is the only legal counter we have to immediately effect a significant reverse of this Leftist Marx maddness.
That is unfortunately what you have to do in order to get enough attention to be on podcasts and media these days. Either that or get into some terrible controversy. I prefer it this way for Douglas, though with his latest book controversy is almost certain to follow
@@kdemetter Nah it is more like people that are productive need time to be productive and show what they produced after the down time in public. They would not have this much to say if they did not do the work behind it. This is actually a good thing and not a bad thing.
@@RanEncounter I agree, and it also helps keep the arguments which are used non-stale, its a sad thing, but listen often enough to someone speak, and it becomes old, since they keep saying basically the same thing, that they said a 100x times before.
He does write regularly for publications which politicians consider vital reading. He's always influencing, he's just not so publicly visible without a book out.
Since youtube doesn’t present videos in any particular order i understand and im new to views these subjects it took me a year to come across this interview and so glad i did. More and more people whos names i have heard of and respect are getting together on both sides of the traditional divide but have so much in common to the point of being allies in a fight for the survival of western civilization. Thank you both.
saltburner2 wasn't that whole thing a mess? We have a son who is a Junior in College. We had thought about looking out of state for College and I sent an email to Evergreen and told them that b/c of the way they treated Prof. Weinstein we would never send him there and they were not on our "list" because of this. When I was in College, something like that would never have happened. I was appalled when he said that the cars had been stopped by the students and they were looking for him. Thank goodness they didn't find him, in that hyper state who knows what they might have done to him. It made me wonder, who is really in charge of the campus? The administration certainly weren't
A genuinely spontaneous and epic finish to this wonderful discussion: "It's the best possible time to be alive, when almost everything you thought you knew is wrong." - Tom Stoppard, Arcadia... Thank you gentlemen, please keep up the great work!
Great conversation! Cheers from a Moroccan living in Germany! I am certainly hoping the West will wake up, and we will enter a Second Enlightenment that will encompass not only Europe and the West, but the rest of the world, including my homeland, Morocco. I am always saddened by the fact that we ditched our Mauri, Greek, Carthaginian, and Roman heritage, of which most of my countrymen are not even aware, for the sake of a Bedouin religion and culture from Arabia.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Such brilliant minds give hope in a world of such despair but how many people who can influence this world will see and learn from people like this?
This was an utterly delightful and entertaining conversation. Broad but seamless. Bret, you are proving to be a very agile and engaging host. Your academic background is useful to you here but your talents appear to be more an function of natural, personal dynamic. Bravo! I will be returning again and again to DarkHorse! Douglas is a fascinating fellow. His writing style is, as Bret illustrated numerous times, very nuanced. Sadly, he is a man surrounded by cultural myopia. It must be incredibly frustrating for thinkers like Weinstein and Murray to be told that many of today’s issues don’t have two sides. If we can’t even acknowledge the obvious error with this delusional conclusion, how will we ever discover all the colorful and dangerous paths that might lead us out of our current social nightmare? Really enjoyed the last hour and half! Thank you, gentlemen.
Bret, a marvelous conversation indeed! Thanks to you and Douglas for illuminating a path to understanding! I began noticing problems in our political discourse following the 2000 election dispute. The rhetorical technique used most often then was the filibuster. The point I want to make is that there seems to be a pattern in the development of our current disconnect. One more point, if I may. I had great difficulties with my ex-wife that closely mirror your situation at Evergreen. That is, the accusations made of you are false but unforgivable and unchangeable. The problem could not be solved without trusting each other. So, I wonder if you've given thought to how such a pathological and personal dynamic might be writ large in our national (and global) struggles. Thanks again for what you are doing, it gives me hope.
I could write a 20-page long precis of the thoughts and realisations this video has catalysed, but space does not permit. Thank you to Bret Weinstein for hosting this, and to Douglas Murray for accepting the invitation to participate. More particularly, thank you both for engaging honestly and for a thoroughly engaging discussion on matters that IMHO need airing and discussing. I arrived at both Bret and Douglas by way of (among others) Jordan Peterson, Karen Straughan, the Mens' Rights sub-reddit and an unfulfilled need to understand why my Greenie, mostly Left-Wing /Weltanschauung/ had left me as a divorced late-50s bloke out in the cold with major depression. It's a rough old road; nonetheless, please accept that there is a substantial (if often silent) number of people who appreciate involving, subtle discussions like this. BTW, the so-called "Intellectual Dark Web" is both a concoction and a complete misnomer - it is anything but dark.
Two great minds come together in this fantastic podcast! Thank you gentlemen! If the history books are written honesty you both will be honored for your contributions attempting to fix our societies craziness!
Bret, well done! You nailed this interview. I've watched most of Douglas' interviews, surrounding his new book, and this one felt the most like an expansion on the Madness of Crowds rather than a mere rehashing.
The amount if intellectual weight among these two is off the charts and to have a discussion about a difficult subject in a very easy fluid manner is appreciated.
Sometimes I feel privileged when listening or watching an interaction or performance, this was one of those. I was also heartened to realize, this journey of mine clearing and exploration is there for everyone to experience, amazing times we live in.
1:27:25 - Wow! Murray hit such a nail on the head for me right here! So many times I've wished for a magic genie that would pop out of a bottle, club me over the head, and say "This is what you're supposed to do with your life, stupid! It won't be easy, but here are some paths that are likely so succeed, and here's the best method to achieve your purpose. Now get to work!" And what an awesome quote from Arcadia. I really want to read that book now, and geek out when I come to that quote. Thank you, RUclips, for making a sight where conversations like this could happen. And thank you, Bret and Douglass, for having such a conversation where a lowly pizza guy like me could listen to 2 geniuses chat...for free...at 4 o'clock in the morning. I love the Internet!
I enjoyed this very much. I've seen Douglas talking about The Madness of Crowds several times (btw people, do buy it - it's an excellent read or listen) and, Bret, you managed to approach this discussion in a different and refreshing way. Good job, subscribed.
To think that I get to listen to conversations this good, in the public domain (which is to say free), which open my mind like a flower - good heavens, I'm all gratitude!
I'd love this to be screened at universities/schools in certain classes. Fantastic example of discussing 'contentious' subjects. Sure, it's crucial they know and respect one another and know they're both 'good actors' (i.e. well intentioned, not looking to score points etc), but even so the language and pace is fantastic. Thanks for posting, Prof.
Brett and Douglas : Thank you for this, and particularly the last part about “the switch” and the opportunity for growth. You can count me as one who is delighted.
"This vacuum of purpose and meaning - it's what everybody in adolescence hopes for, that at some point, someone is going to stand across their lives and say, 'let me tell you what we're doing here, and what you should be doing, and what would be a life worth living'. And not everyone ever got it, but to have a society were _noone ever_ gets it, noone is _expected to get it_ , and we all just, I don't know, save up for the next holiday, is not fit for the enormous luck of the situation we find ourselves in". - Douglas
This is great, not only the interview but the fact you're putting out your own podcast and have interesting guests on to talk - while you're an interesting person yourself. Winning combination, keep at it and this channel will do well very quickly. Edit: Oh subbed btw, obv.
Love the smile on Douglas's face around 45:49 It's just how I feel when I'm about to discuss something I think is genuinely interesting and it's almost exhilarating.
Bad faith: say you are practicing swordfighting. There is an assumed etiquette in training that you won't actually try to cause actual damage intentionally, it is practice. But if you were to train with someone that you think/know will cause you harm intentionally, you are suddenly no longer in practice/training/learning, but now in an actual fight. This is what bad faith does, changes the environment from learning/practice to actual (verbal) combat.
Truth is like a double edged sword. It is designed to pierce through the toughest armor. We are in the midst of a cultural war. There is no more time for practice.
@@alianas6435 I dont watch and comment on people I know beforehand that I will agree with. Actually, that would be kind of crazy to judge someone before listening. What in my post of a physical example of bad faith do you contend with?
Bret nailed an interesting point - some, (for whatever reasons) aren't able to discuss in good faith and in a dispassionate way, on difficult, uncomfortable, emotive issues - regardless of how much skin they have in the game.
Indeed - I'd say his experiences at Evergreen gave him the look behind the curtain of that magic trick - and it was the mother lode of red pills for ALL of us really.
I also listened to Douglas's audio book and thought it was just marvelously narrated. One of the best books I've read or listened to in many, many years.
Public dialogue has turned into an argument between a child and an adult where the child is unable, or just unwilling, to understand that the adult is right.
I want to thank Evergreen for giving a guy like me access to someone like this. Their loss is the gain of everyone that is willing to listen and expand their knowledge and ability to approach the gaining of that knowledge from multiple angles. P.S. I love Douglas as well
I think this exact thought often :) If Evergreen hadn't gone so far off the rails as to lose people like Brett & Heather, I would have never gotten this kind of access.
Which sort of proves the point that once people catch on to the game, it becomes unable to compete. They shed the great minds to maintain uniformity and intensify the concentration of the cancer, wanting for it to spread through the lack of resistance. In doing so, the minds that would normally be their greatest assets , become a cell that broke off from the cancer, undamaged but able to transfer immunity to other cells by shared experience.
well said
Totally agree. Brett is the kind of guy that Evergreen was all about.
@@jaybyday2381…except which grouping will excel & succeed as metastasis is no shrinking violet.
Thomas Sowell nailed it with his 3 questions to ask of the left:
-Compared to what?
-At what cost?
-What hard evidence do you have?
Those are three great questions to ask the left. What questions would you ask conservatives?
Great questions! Just add the Orwell question to the end... Where is your omelette?
Toby Stover, that’s a good counter question to achieve balance! Not sure I could match the question-crafting wisdom of Thomas Sowell, but I’ll give it some thought and come back...
@@tobystover Peter Theil mentioned that he thought the biggest myth for conservatives in the US was the idea of American Exceptionalism. That said its a bit more in depth... simpler questions might be "who gets left out" or "who does this benefit the most". Would be interested to hear other peoples ideas though!
@@tobystover Same questions... They just tend to have already answered them.
I began listening to this while driving to a job site, 30 minutes in I happened upon one of the handful of barnes&noble book stores still open in Atlanta and I stopped to buy it on the spot. Now, I can not wait to get home this evening for a first read.
matthew floyd Thats cool
Hi wake up he's wife told the truth about him wild wild dog sold out ha
Muhsin Mahbub - please translate into English and resubmit.
@@Johnny-sj9sj 🤣🤣🤣
@Ken Nuppenau Are we talking about the Madness of Crowds here? It's a great book. Highly recommend it.
Watching this in 1080 on my living room TV makes me realise just how redundant the traditional tv channels and media are...
Broadcast television is unwatchable. It panders to the lowest common denominator and half the time it's nonstop advertising, honestly the only person I know who actually watches television is my 92-yr old grandmother.
I hear that
@@BuceGar I instal cable services for Spectrum, I can confirm your statement... for the most part....
I wouldn't even have cable TV if it weren't bundled through my IP's highest speed bundle tbph.
Not just redundant. Malignant.
A gay and a Jew walk into a podcast, and they're not spreading Marxism! What a time to be alive.
lmao
great insight. And we are most likely witness to the very last such event.
LOL
@@larrysiders1 let's hope it's not the last time. Let's hope it's the first of many many more.
@@mariekirby1683 you're beautiful and I wish to worship you 😊
"...When I'm not looking, you're going to smuggle some communism into me.." I love Douglas Murray.
How far or fast can humanity progress when people in the know repeat "marshmallow test" on kids as a prediction of a particular outcome on their future?.
William F. Buckley Jr set my course into the direction of classical conservative thought. Douglas I found nothing Buckley could have disagreed with.
When "there's not even a German word for the concept I'm about to suggest", you know you're going in deep...
loved that
Brilliant!
I'm working on that. Referring to one of Mr Murray's own identity affiliations, I'm reminded of "The story Israel cannot bear to tell about itself". I won't attribute that to anyone in case I bring down the Lord's wrath upon them.
"Schniedishlaftuphaffen"
yes pls :D
The best thing to come out of the SJW implosion at Evergreen is that the world found Bret Weinstein. I for one am most grateful to enjoy your intelegent, thought provoking discussion. Thank you Bret.
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Douglas is probably in my top 2 or 3 favorite people to hear lecture or speak
That’s a good example of a non-committal hierarchy.
Glenn Loury is also very interesting. He led me here.
@Daniel McEwen why?
@Daniel McEwen gays should not be on board with the trans stuff where it's like that 7yr old boy in Texas getting transed by his mother because for example he liked the movie Frozen, or supporting/enabling people like Rachel McKinnon or Jesica Yaniv. the trans thing is getting way too insane and makes LGB look really bad.
@@7QHook They should also oppose it because if gender is a social construct you can't be born attracted to the wrong one (wrong biologically speaking) and if it's sex rather than gender, people can just switch sex without doing anything other than declaring it so a gay guy can just find themselves an xx person with a masculine vagina that was born wrong and voila the religious right wins again.
I mean it's all bullshit anyway but the internal logic becomes glaringly insipid when you throw the trans stuff in the mix. We're at the point now that no one can even give a properly woke definition of what is and isn't a woman and if they try they're liable to get canceled. These people want to destroy reason itself. The whole goal of Cultural Marxism is to create a climate of confusion, fear, derangement and resentment to tear down the very social fabric of the countries they want to fall. I just hope they know that when it all comes tumbling down they're going to be the first to die in the ensuing chaos.
Of all the conversations Douglas has had about this book that I've seen, this is the one I've looked forward to the most.
one with Peter Robinson is well worth watching too
Just stumbled upon it, but all the rest I've seen, were pretty similar. As in seen one seen em all, yet this one stands completely on it's own, and that is great.
@@raifthemad I disagree completely- Weinstein blows it. Makes it too much about himself, personal...exactly what Murray has disliked in other interviews - “identity” I find Murray’s conversations with other Brits more forthcoming and revealing.
Hi wake up he's wife told the truth about him wild wild dog sold out ha ha
Dayum, mah boy Douglas is everywhere these days. Glad to see it.
Book tour
Isn't he the best? I love Douglass. Classy as fuck.
Book release
@@SBCBears Well, the new version of the book tour, a better way, as well
@@philliphayden2727 I imagine he reaches more people this way.
Great conversation. Suggestion: Keep a dual screen at all times of the conversation, despite however long a person speaks. Reaction of the listener to the words as they are being spoken is also interesting and important to watch.
Been loving these interviews with Douglas Murray, watch everyone that pops up on youtube and he seemingly talks about something a little different. This one was definitely at a higher level, Bret could really get a whole lot out out him.
Great interview!
Benno Brett’s great. He always has such interesting questions. I’ve been watching all of the Douglass Murray interviews and they’ve gotten a little repetitive but I knew for certain Brett Weinstein would ask completely new questions.
@@PuddilyOops Agree with both of you. This has been my favorite so far of the interviews Douglas has done for this book.
Benno I have been binge watching his recent round of interviews also, and this is by far my favorite. Superb.
Brett talks a lot of Mumbo jumbo - Douglas is way better to listen to
Rubin was a good interview as well. And it was different than all the rest. Definitely worth looking up and watching
"When I talk about criminals, why do you take it personally and think I talk about your friends and family?"
Great conversation. I do not agree with Brett's liberal views, but appreciate his intelligence (and courage) and absolutely love Douglas. This conversation was a real treat, hope you two do this again! p.s - this is how it (a dialogue between the opposite sides, should be done).
I bought Douglas Murray's audiobook the day it came out and when I played it I remember thinking, "What!? Is he going to read the whole book!?" I went back and looked and, sure enough, Douglas reads the entire manuscript and it is so extremely satisfying. The way in which he delivers each line, with the various tones and inflections, is spectacular. It is worth every penny just to hear him read the immortal words of N. Minaj who he quotes before the first chapter.
He could have been the most wonderful actor. Nancy Robertson
Funny how your profile name is TLDR and you’re talking about buying an audiobook 😂
He should narrate every book
Hi wake up he's wife told the truth about him wild wild dog sold out ha ha ha
He did a great job as well.
Just finished the audiobook. No one does sarcasm and cutting satire quite like Mr Murray. Brett is spot on, it’s an utterly fantastic listen
Andy Corscaden Murray did a great job. It's not easy narrating a book- even if it's your own and you are a good public speaker.
Just when I thought I couldn't possibly love the minefield metaphor more than I do . . .
45:36, Bret: "Here we're going to step on a big landmine."
Douglas: "You go first."
LOL, big time.
Damn, Douglas is one clever, charming guy.
I'm not sure people will get the connection, but this reminds me of a bit on King of the Hill, where Dale tells his wife that he just returned home from his gun club, where they were playing Russian roulette, and she asks him if he won.
Funny as fook!!! I nearly choked on my pasta!!!
The students and admin. at Evergreen college lost a valuable resource in Prof. Weinstein.
Among the handful or two of great thinkers/ authors/ podcasters that I am generally glad to hear from, Bret may be the apex ... if Evergreen had to go super nova (or was it black hole... brown dwarf ?) to expel Bret Weinstein into our world's orbit, it was worth the loss of Evergreen, at least in my books..
Their loss is our (the world's) gain!
True, and also it wasn't his own students who confronted him in that infamous hallway video. His students (and most of the Evergreen STEM students) were just trying to avoid the protestors, and to keep up with their studies.
Professor Weinstein ended up holding his classes off-campus, after being warned by the college that they couldn't guarantee his safety on campus, because President George Bridges had told the campus police to stand down. 🤦🏾♀️
And now, the protestors from back then won't be able to attend their own graduation, because the college is temporarily closed due to the pandemic.
The whole Evergreen story is being told here on RUclips on Benjamin Boyce's channel (he was a student at the time, but not one of the protestors).
All the administrations care about are the administrators.
Bunch of fucking idiots. They don't deserve Bret Weinstein.
What a great, nuanced, unafraid conversation. Didn't want it to end. Keep blowing up the land mines 💪🏻
English Conservative writer/intellectual and brilliant Liberal (radical?) professor together again. Great respect to both.
If one supports free speech, one is first a liberal.
Not true. The vast majority of conservatives are, first and foremost, constitutional traditionalists.
@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718 if we're goin'a start making generalisations then the vast majority of conservatives don't live in the US tbh..
@SleazyC69 The Liberal has lost its meaning. Today, the word Liberal means Leftist. There are very few Liberals today who care about protecting free speech or the Constitution.
Hi wake up he's wife told the truth about him wild wild dog sold out ha ha ha
@@nerychristian Not liberal
i’ve always been repelled by the hypocrisy, ignorance, and hate from the right; but now in the last few years, i’m finding myself becoming equally repelled by the left for the same reasons. glad there are still voices of reason like Douglas Murray while we navigate through these turbulent times.
The hate has always come from the Left. Best read up better on its history in America.
It's encouraging to see two supremely intelligent men with the humility to say, "I don't know".
"I would say, gay people, are far safer if we explore this CAREFULLY, than if we PRETEND the issue is simpler than it is."
Bret nailed it.
Just ordered Douglas's audiobook. His voice and manner of speaking are so glorious, he could read the phone book, and I'd listen. The fact that his message and writing are also riveting is just icing on the cake. Nancy Robertson
So good to have this. Nowhere else is such material readily and publicly accessible. Well done!
'It is lack of confidence, more than anything else, that kills a civilisation." Kenneth Clark.
@Rodgers. Fuck Kenneth Clark, the opposite is equally true, perhaps more so.
Hi wake up he's wife told the truth about him wild wild dog sold out ha
I totally agree. Having confidence is stepping out of the status quo, going against the grain and superstition. Having confidence is like stepping out of the Darkness in to the Light.
Asking the children what we should do...well, we are not that clueless, not all of us.
Ken Clarke!! He, along with fellow cabinet minister's of that time period, were part of one of the worst criminal and revolting cover ups/turning a blind eye, in recent times
"I want to live in a world so good I become a conservative."
Love that line. Not about tribes, but about outcome.
Yup. He has his eye on the actual prize as opposed to the craving the fight in and of itself.
I believe most of being a conservative is hope. The left is full of victims who refuse to believe hope exists because their minds are full of blame.
Bret will never wake up to the point of understanding the time to be Conservative is now! It is the only legal counter we have to immediately effect a significant reverse of this Leftist Marx maddness.
i wish douglas were in public more than just when he's finished a book, as frequent as that is.
That is unfortunately what you have to do in order to get enough attention to be on podcasts and media these days. Either that or get into some terrible controversy. I prefer it this way for Douglas, though with his latest book controversy is almost certain to follow
@@kdemetter Nah it is more like people that are productive need time to be productive and show what they produced after the down time in public. They would not have this much to say if they did not do the work behind it. This is actually a good thing and not a bad thing.
@@RanEncounter Ok maybe I was being a bit too cynical there :-)
@@RanEncounter I agree, and it also helps keep the arguments which are used non-stale, its a sad thing, but listen often enough to someone speak, and it becomes old, since they keep saying basically the same thing, that they said a 100x times before.
He does write regularly for publications which politicians consider vital reading. He's always influencing, he's just not so publicly visible without a book out.
Since youtube doesn’t present videos in any particular order i understand and im new to views these subjects it took me a year to come across this interview and so glad i did. More and more people whos names i have heard of and respect are getting together on both sides of the traditional divide but have so much in common to the point of being allies in a fight for the survival of western civilization. Thank you both.
It's about time BBC Question Time invited Douglas Murray back. He hasn't be on for an age.
To be fair most of the lazy minded public thoroughly disliked him over a decade ago, almost as much as Tommy Robinson.
People in the UK still watch British Broadcast Commies?
The producers and whoever is at the top of the hierarchy who live in gated communities are scared
@@aloisraich9326 Good points, I'm taking news ¤t affairs from Bloomberg and Sky News Australia; the BBC's "group-think cannot see this.
Question Time is biased as hell. Screw the BBC
A superb, massively rewarding and entertaining interview -- you two are so good together I'd tune in every week to hear you discuss events and ideas.
Brett looks happier in this video than I have seen him since Evergreen.
Approaching 100k subscribers too. Great trajectory he's on.
saltburner2 wasn't that whole thing a mess? We have a son who is a Junior in College. We had thought about looking out of state for College and I sent an email to Evergreen and told them that b/c of the way they treated Prof. Weinstein we would never send him there and they were not on our "list" because of this.
When I was in College, something like that would never have happened. I was appalled when he said that the cars had been stopped by the students and they were looking for him. Thank goodness they didn't find him, in that hyper state who knows what they might have done to him. It made me wonder, who is really in charge of the campus? The administration certainly weren't
It's obvious he has a great deal of respect for Douglas and they have been friends for a while.
He has learned that podcasting is a pure form of communication.
Jay L - please translate into English and resubmit. Seriously.
Would love to hear the "corpsing " out-takes of the audiobook. They must have been recorded.... like for votes to #releasethetapesdouglas
I just finished listening to the book and I’m more than confident that sounding out the lyrics to Nicki Minaj would have been once instance
#releasethecorpsingcut
Bret is the only person on this Earth that is sane and makes sense and relies on evidence and facts to prove points. I love him.
A genuinely spontaneous and epic finish to this wonderful discussion: "It's the best possible time to be alive, when almost everything you thought you knew is wrong." - Tom Stoppard, Arcadia... Thank you gentlemen, please keep up the great work!
Uber liberal from San Francisco, and I loved every minute of this landmine-filled conversation...
Great conversation! Cheers from a Moroccan living in Germany! I am certainly hoping the West will wake up, and we will enter a Second Enlightenment that will encompass not only Europe and the West, but the rest of the world, including my homeland, Morocco. I am always saddened by the fact that we ditched our Mauri, Greek, Carthaginian, and Roman heritage, of which most of my countrymen are not even aware, for the sake of a Bedouin religion and culture from Arabia.
Douglas is my favorite liberal conservative.
. . . and Bret is clearly the favorite radical of a lot of conservatives.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Such brilliant minds give hope in a world of such despair but how many people who can influence this world will see and learn from people like this?
Douglas Murray's previous book should have been titled "The Strange Suicide of Europe".
Europe was murdered by its elites
@@kissmyass682 A bit premature to say ''was'' because there are still a lot of ways to prevent this murder
Ari Jao Yep, we’re not done yet.
The Greek title of the book is "Europe commits suicide" (Η Ευρώπη Αυτοκτονεί)
This was an utterly delightful and entertaining conversation. Broad but seamless. Bret, you are proving to be a very agile and engaging host. Your academic background is useful to you here but your talents appear to be more an function of natural, personal dynamic. Bravo! I will be returning again and again to DarkHorse!
Douglas is a fascinating fellow. His writing style is, as Bret illustrated numerous times, very nuanced. Sadly, he is a man surrounded by cultural myopia. It must be incredibly frustrating for thinkers like Weinstein and Murray to be told that many of today’s issues don’t have two sides. If we can’t even acknowledge the obvious error with this delusional conclusion, how will we ever discover all the colorful and dangerous paths that might lead us out of our current social nightmare?
Really enjoyed the last hour and half! Thank you, gentlemen.
Was impatiently waiting for this one! Thanks to both of you for doing this!
Murray’s mischievous smiles and Weinstein’s straightforward haircut put on a perfect bow on this great conversation ^^
Watched a lot of Douglas's interviews on this book, but Brett, as always, has the most elucidating questions. Good stuff
Bret, a marvelous conversation indeed! Thanks to you and Douglas for illuminating a path to understanding! I began noticing problems in our political discourse following the 2000 election dispute. The rhetorical technique used most often then was the filibuster. The point I want to make is that there seems to be a pattern in the development of our current disconnect. One more point, if I may. I had great difficulties with my ex-wife that closely mirror your situation at Evergreen. That is, the accusations made of you are false but unforgivable and unchangeable. The problem could not be solved without trusting each other. So, I wonder if you've given thought to how such a pathological and personal dynamic might be writ large in our national (and global) struggles. Thanks again for what you are doing, it gives me hope.
I have been listening to the audiobook over the last few days. I can only hope one day I am even close to as articulate and eloquent as Douglas.
Loved the book, great interview. Thank you Douglas and Bret for keeping all the way real.
This is by far one of the best conversations I have watched on this platform. Thank you for all that you are doing. Keep up the good work!
Great conversation. I could listen to these two talk endlessly
I bought the audio version and it was so good, I also bought the printed copy for reference. Highly recommended.
This is what youtube was built for. Love this talk
"The adults are incompetent". Exactly. And foolish children have entered the vacuum
I could write a 20-page long precis of the thoughts and realisations this video has catalysed, but space does not permit.
Thank you to Bret Weinstein for hosting this, and to Douglas Murray for accepting the invitation to participate. More particularly, thank you both for engaging honestly and for a thoroughly engaging discussion on matters that IMHO need airing and discussing.
I arrived at both Bret and Douglas by way of (among others) Jordan Peterson, Karen Straughan, the Mens' Rights sub-reddit and an unfulfilled need to understand why my Greenie, mostly Left-Wing /Weltanschauung/ had left me as a divorced late-50s bloke out in the cold with major depression. It's a rough old road; nonetheless, please accept that there is a substantial (if often silent) number of people who appreciate involving, subtle discussions like this.
BTW, the so-called "Intellectual Dark Web" is both a concoction and a complete misnomer - it is anything but dark.
This is the best interview with Douglas I have watched, particularly about his new book. Well done. Fantastic listen.
Two great minds come together in this fantastic podcast!
Thank you gentlemen!
If the history books are written honesty you both will be honored for your contributions attempting to fix our societies craziness!
We need more of this. Bravo gentlemen.
Bret, well done! You nailed this interview. I've watched most of Douglas' interviews, surrounding his new book, and this one felt the most like an expansion on the Madness of Crowds rather than a mere rehashing.
Probably two of the sharpest and sensible minds in this RUclips environment these days. Wow.
A brilliant and enlightening conversation. Thank you.
I think I’ve discovered my replacement for Christopher Hitchens.
100%. Although the era of slam debates seems over.
Id love to see Murray dropping jaws from the podium.
These discussions are much more consensual than anything Hitchens ever said. Less brilliant too.
It would have been fascinating to hear and see a discussion between Douglas and Christopher. Nancy Robertson
Unfortunately, no one compares to Hitchens.
Randall Schoverling Agree, but still miss Hitchens and continue to watch him.
One of your best conversations yet, sir. Thank you.
"there's not even a German word for the concept I'm about to address"
Damn, that's way too funny to have been entirely glossed over.
Das stimmt 😊
The amount if intellectual weight among these two is off the charts and to have a discussion about a difficult subject in a very easy fluid manner is appreciated.
Sometimes I feel privileged when listening or watching an interaction or performance, this was one of those. I was also heartened to realize, this journey of mine clearing and exploration is there for everyone to experience, amazing times we live in.
1:27:25 - Wow! Murray hit such a nail on the head for me right here! So many times I've wished for a magic genie that would pop out of a bottle, club me over the head, and say "This is what you're supposed to do with your life, stupid! It won't be easy, but here are some paths that are likely so succeed, and here's the best method to achieve your purpose. Now get to work!"
And what an awesome quote from Arcadia. I really want to read that book now, and geek out when I come to that quote.
Thank you, RUclips, for making a sight where conversations like this could happen. And thank you, Bret and Douglass, for having such a conversation where a lowly pizza guy like me could listen to 2 geniuses chat...for free...at 4 o'clock in the morning. I love the Internet!
I enjoyed this very much. I've seen Douglas talking about The Madness of Crowds several times (btw people, do buy it - it's an excellent read or listen) and, Bret, you managed to approach this discussion in a different and refreshing way. Good job, subscribed.
Always a delight to listen to Mr Murray. Thank you for this Bret.
2:51 You also hear the author's voice in your head when reading ? I'm glad I'm not alone.
Same here! I have this big time patricularly with Richard Dawkins and Jordan Peterson
Welcome to the synesthesia club! Our uniform colors are Eb major.
I thought everyone did this when reading?
When reading Sapiens by Yuval Noah Harari
, I always read human as "you-man".
How awful. There is only silence and peace in my head. You should all learn to relax and outsource the higher thoughts to your group of fellow NPC's.
“This has been a marvellous conversation.“ Nothing to add there.
Wonderful. Two extraordinary human beings. A joy. Thank you.
To think that I get to listen to conversations this good, in the public domain (which is to say free), which open my mind like a flower - good heavens, I'm all gratitude!
I enjoyed this conversation so much!
I'd love this to be screened at universities/schools in certain classes. Fantastic example of discussing 'contentious' subjects. Sure, it's crucial they know and respect one another and know they're both 'good actors' (i.e. well intentioned, not looking to score points etc), but even so the language and pace is fantastic.
Thanks for posting, Prof.
Brett and Douglas : Thank you for this, and particularly the last part about “the switch” and the opportunity for growth. You can count me as one who is delighted.
What pleasure during lock down to be able to revisit such great conversation and debate to keep the old grey cells going.
"This vacuum of purpose and meaning - it's what everybody in adolescence hopes for, that at some point, someone is going to stand across their lives and say, 'let me tell you what we're doing here, and what you should be doing, and what would be a life worth living'. And not everyone ever got it, but to have a society were _noone ever_ gets it, noone is _expected to get it_ , and we all just, I don't know, save up for the next holiday, is not fit for the enormous luck of the situation we find ourselves in". - Douglas
Bret speaks 77% of the time vs. 23% from Douglas. One would expect the opposite in an interview, but it’s #5 and it is improving indeed.
I have listened to the madness of crowds two times now and am on my third. Its so insanely profound and Douglas does a WONDERFUL reading of it!
kelly eldridge Listening to him read Nicki Minaj lyrics is worth it alone.
@@kimberlyowen3962 could not agree more! Such a dry voice for such a crazily pervy song!! I just adore this guy. Currently on my third listen theough
This is great, not only the interview but the fact you're putting out your own podcast and have interesting guests on to talk - while you're an interesting person yourself.
Winning combination, keep at it and this channel will do well very quickly.
Edit: Oh subbed btw, obv.
Love the smile on Douglas's face around 45:49 It's just how I feel when I'm about to discuss something I think is genuinely interesting and it's almost exhilarating.
How interesting to listen to two intelligent polite people having a meaningful discussion.
“Being made difficult strategically, and not by all” (Bret), is the wisest thing he has ever spoken.
Bret is an excellent host. Douglas is an excellent guest. A match made in heaven.
Bad faith: say you are practicing swordfighting. There is an assumed etiquette in training that you won't actually try to cause actual damage intentionally, it is practice. But if you were to train with someone that you think/know will cause you harm intentionally, you are suddenly no longer in practice/training/learning, but now in an actual fight. This is what bad faith does, changes the environment from learning/practice to actual (verbal) combat.
Sun bro Same in jiu-jitsu. You learn to avoid training (and in some cases competing) with people who don’t care about avoiding to do you harm.
Truth is like a double edged sword. It is designed to pierce through the toughest armor. We are in the midst of a cultural war. There is no more time for practice.
@@alianas6435 ypu accuse of strawman and then make a declarative statement about all "you" people? Surely you jest.
@@nerychristian you still need practice before combat.
@@alianas6435 I dont watch and comment on people I know beforehand that I will agree with. Actually, that would be kind of crazy to judge someone before listening. What in my post of a physical example of bad faith do you contend with?
Bret nailed an interesting point - some, (for whatever reasons) aren't able to discuss in good faith and in a dispassionate way, on difficult, uncomfortable, emotive issues - regardless of how much skin they have in the game.
Bret needs to write a book based on his speech "how the magic trick is done"
really nice idea, should listen to that talk again
Indeed - I'd say his experiences at Evergreen gave him the look behind the curtain of that magic trick - and it was the mother lode of red pills for ALL of us really.
Somehow missed that speech, thanks
I would read that!
Write it anonymously to counter the "I already know what Bret thinks so I've not read it"
I also listened to Douglas's audio book and thought it was just marvelously narrated. One of the best books I've read or listened to in many, many years.
This was an amazing and refreshing conversation. Thank you both!
Total honesty and transparency. Conversation for the sake of learning. Awesome.
Douglas is literally the one of the best people on this planet IMHO
What a pleasant discussion. Thank you both.
a good rational civil conversation providing some hope - thank you both -
I love the simple honesty in this conversation
Public dialogue has turned into an argument between a child and an adult where the child is unable, or just unwilling, to understand that the adult is right.
Intelligent, mutual respect, rational dialogue...ahhhh so refreshing!
At last Two intelligent, engaged persons speaking sense, about left politics.
WE NEED MORE of this
Informed, humane and nuanced conversation...the antidote to ignorance.
“If the truth will not serve us, what does that say about us?”
That we are still human, after all these years?
Great discussion!
I always leave these discussions feeling a bit smarter and curious.