Melkor became (was officially came to known as) Morgoth after he took up the terrible and tall shape of a Dark Lord to poison the Two Trees. After doing so Feanor dubbed him Morgoth and cursed him out of rage upon finding that Finwe was murdered and the Silmarils where stolen.
Since all of the Ainur came from the thoughts of Eru, it almost seems like that was a dark part of himself that he could not attack directly. That the universe, Arda and all of history, is his attempt to have the Valar and his other creations eventually all band together and destroy that part of himself in an external struggle. Thus the world can be reborn in a new music without discord.
The creation of the Orcs ,the coruption of feanor ,the burnnig of Ard-galen,the curst opon Hurin and Arda marned are some of the nost crule deeds in fiction.
Basically right from inception as he was made with part of Eru that understood itself above all. As such it was a given that Melkor would want what Eru had. He was placed into a situation with a preset nature. He is exactly what Eru without absolute power would be. Essentially he is indeed the failing of Eru
Melkor has to be one of the most interesting characters. Just pure evil, no redeeming qualities about him. Was it ever been a possibility of him being good?
"In my story I do not deal in Absolute Evil. I do not think there is such a thing, since that is Zero. I do not think that at any rate any ‘rational being’ is wholly evil. Satan fell. In my myth Morgoth fell before Creation of the physical world. In my story Sauron represents as near an approach to the wholly evil will as is possible. He had gone the way of all tyrants: beginning well, at least on the level that while desiring to order all things according to his own wisdom he still at first considered the (economic) well-being of other inhabitants of the Earth. But he went further than human tyrants in pride and the lust for domination, being in origin an immortal (angelic) spirit.* In The Lord of the Rings the conflict is not basically about ‘freedom’, though that is naturally involved. It is about God, and His sole right to divine honour" Letter 184
He fascinates me as well, for many reasons, I love that he's pretty much the Lucifer/Satan of the legendarium.. I like to think that eru had no choice but to pour every aspect of his own being and divide it amongst the Valar, and chose to have his dark side manifest in only Melkor so that all evil could be contained in a single being... I suppose it made sense to eru to pick just one, especially if it was a necessity
I think Melkor being completely irredeemable doesn't fit Tolkien's philosophy. He once stated in an interview that he didn't believe in absolute evil, and Sauron for example was "not evil to begin with". Much of the evil in the world is manifested in him, he is the one responsible for the corruption and marring of Arda. Sure he is terribly evil, but to say completely evil would take it too far imo. Like Sauron was corrupted by Melkor, Melkor himself was corrupted by his very own nature; jealousy, pride, selfishness and arrogance.
A perfect being created of light, but with intelligence to see it's opposite. He chose the darkness as it fed his self-love. With intelligence, the temptation to egotism goes hand in hand. Once the path was chosen, he could no longer taste the light as he had, and so sought to destroy it or control it wherever he could out of envy, pain, and hatred.
Melkor's fall came from inital virtue just as Sauron. He wanted to create and fill the empty void with things. An aspect much like his own creator, Eru, and his kin, Aule the Smith. However that virtue and desire became utterly warped at the end into wishing to destroy everything that was not his own.
The tragedy of Melkor is that his desire to create wasn’t innately evil. Aüle also longed to create, and did create the Dwarves and in doing overstepped his place in Erú’s will. When Erú confronted Aüle about his presumptuousness he repented and set to amend his mistake, yet when Erú confronted Melkor, he felt no such repentance. The difference is that Aüle’s desire was born from generosity, wanting to share the gift of life, whereas Melkor wanted to create so that he would be glorified. His desire was born of pride. The irony is that glory, esteem and all that came with it would have been Melkor’s if he had stayed faithful to Erú. He was the mightiest of all the Ainur and he probably would have been made king of the Valar instead of Manwé had he been faithful, as he had insight into all things. Had he been humble and waited he would have been given all he desired, instead he tried to take it and received none of it. Melkor, He who arises in Might, became Morgoth, the Dark Enemy of the World, when he allowed pride to rule his heart and unswervingly overstepped his place in God’s purpose. My 2p.
Tolkien was a Roman-Catholic and LotR is an analogy of Christianity. Melkor = Lucifer. Iluvatar/God is a controlling, overbearing, patriarchal tyrant. Melkor just wanted to make his own music. #MelkorDidNothingWrong Ave Satanis
I know it's out there, but, I really feel I enjoy the tales of the Valar more than those of the beings that were mortal. It's too bad we don't have anything official to close the world out. I would love to had read of further ages than the third in Tolkien's word, right up to and including "The Final Song." Great video. Thanks so much.
The moment he exchanged his angelic/spiritual powers for the power over the physical matter of the universe and Arda: "To gain domination over Arda, Morgoth had let most of his being pass into the physical constituents of the Earth-hence all things that were born on Earth and lived on and by it, beasts or plants or incarnate spirits, were liable to be ' stained" What turned Arda into the Ring of Morgoth (contrasted with the One Ring): "contrasted the nature of Sauron's power, concentrated in the One Ring, with that of Morgoth, enormously greater, but dispersed or disseminated into the very matter of Arda: 'the whole of Middle-earth was Morgoth's Ring." This "Melkor-element" is the "Mana", the MP used by Sauron, through the One Ring, to increase his power and make his spells: "It was this Morgoth-element in matter, indeed, which was a prerequisite for such 'magic' and other evils as Sauron practiced with it and upon it."
Melkor became Morgoth after he killed Finwe and stole the Silmarills, and so Feanor cursed Melkor for ever as "The Black Foe of the World" .... Morgoth.
In J.R.R. Tolkien early concept of the Children of the Ainur, Melkor had a son Kosomot (later Gothmog) with an ogress, Fuithluin. Nienna, the Vala of Mourning, was Manwe and Melkor's sister until Tolkien made her the sister of Namo and Irmo instead. In other writings, it was said that Melkor wanted to claim the Maia Arien as his wife and ravished her, to "destroy and disdain her, not to beget any fiery offspring". In some versions, Melkor will be defeated by Eonwe during the Dagor Dagorath, driven by his love for Arien, instead of by Turin Turambar.
Melkor is the darkness of Eru. He and Eru are the two sides of the same coin. Without the creation of Eru and destruction of the creations of Melkor, the world would have no balance.
I feel this prejudice towards discordant music is undeserved. Some of of the best music is discordant or atonal. Ligeti's Requiem is one of the most amazing pieces of music ever made.
What-if video idea for you to do: What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
Middle earth just needs something to fight for or against. A reason to always move forward and to regain strength. Melkor or evil itself is it’s own reason. Balance and a striving, a movement like shooting an arrow with a direction and purpose for creation.
“And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.” I think it was in this moment that, if Melkor had paid closer attention to these words, he might have come to a startling revelation. Any evil he could possibly do would be in vain as it would do nothing but increase the glory and wonder of Eru and creation. But I also think that Eru hinted at a way for Melkor to ‘win’… which was by doing nothing. If he had chosen to do absolutely nothing after descending to Arda, then no one can stop him, because there’s nothing to stop in the first place. Nor can they force him to do anything as he does no wrong by doing nothing. A silent treatment that endured until Arda comes an end. The only way to win this game would be not to play, after all how can anyone make use of an instrument that refuses the play.
@@mitchellsmith4690 I am well aware of the correct spelling jackhole....I was trying to be funny and obviously failed miserably to amuse you and your sophisticated sense if humor.
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I wanna see Melkor on screen so badly. Buy now i am SO GLAD hes not showing up in this new 'series." They would have given him some back story to try and make him relatable not understanding that he's just a pure evil dark lord and we don't need a reason. It's NOT that kind of story 🙄. They probably would have made him like the mafia boss of an exclusive club at Angband and when Fingolfin injures his dancing foot he gets pissed so he gets real into heavy drugs. Not knowing what he is doing as a result of hallucinations, Luthien slips him a mickey & turns his werewolf into a poodle. Then there's an explosion. Sounds about right for the kinda shit these two "writers" would come up with and twist around.
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Cool bruh, its average though, could be much better. Nothing seems to be good anymore, Marvel has become a joke, Disney has destroyed Star Wars, Amazon has 2 great epic fantasy IPs and cant do more than average, Netflix The Witcher is also average, and even HBO fucked up in such epic fashion the end of Game of Thrones. Where is the talent that was so abundant before? What happened to Hollywood?
Melkor was the bad side of each of other Vala. The malice that corrupted all of the other’s creations. Essential for the creation of Arda as we know it!
Eru Iluvatar is the same stupid cruel indifferent fictional character like the christian god. It's said that Tolkien was a Katholic, so why did he make up another god? Doesn't the bible say you are not allowed to make up other gods and have to reject every religion expet his? Wasn't it a sin in his own belief what Tolkien did? He was smart but religious people suffer from sebere cognitive dissonance.
Lucifer was the bright and morning star. The Arch Angel above all others. Yet, pride goes before a fall in all cases so Lucifer fell and became Satan. So it goes with Melkour whose evil pride eventually turns him into Morgoth. On another subject I was curious about how Tolkien creates Mordor that is close to Murder and of course Sauron is along the lines of Satan.
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Melkor became (was officially came to known as) Morgoth after he took up the terrible and tall shape of a Dark Lord to poison the Two Trees. After doing so Feanor dubbed him Morgoth and cursed him out of rage upon finding that Finwe was murdered and the Silmarils where stolen.
Since all of the Ainur came from the thoughts of Eru, it almost seems like that was a dark part of himself that he could not attack directly. That the universe, Arda and all of history, is his attempt to have the Valar and his other creations eventually all band together and destroy that part of himself in an external struggle. Thus the world can be reborn in a new music without discord.
Very good thoughts on this. Well worded!
The creation of the Orcs ,the coruption of feanor ,the burnnig of Ard-galen,the curst opon Hurin and Arda marned are some of the nost crule deeds in fiction.
Basically right from inception as he was made with part of Eru that understood itself above all. As such it was a given that Melkor would want what Eru had. He was placed into a situation with a preset nature. He is exactly what Eru without absolute power would be.
Essentially he is indeed the failing of Eru
Melkor has to be one of the most interesting characters. Just pure evil, no redeeming qualities about him. Was it ever been a possibility of him being good?
"In my story I do not deal in Absolute Evil. I do not think there is such a thing, since that is Zero. I do not think that at any rate any ‘rational being’ is wholly evil. Satan fell. In my myth Morgoth fell before Creation of the physical world. In my story Sauron represents as near an approach to the wholly evil will as is possible. He had gone the way of all tyrants: beginning well, at least on the level that while desiring to order all things according to his own wisdom he still at first considered the (economic) well-being of other inhabitants of the Earth. But he went further than human tyrants in pride and the lust for domination, being in origin an immortal (angelic) spirit.* In The Lord of the Rings the conflict is not basically about ‘freedom’, though that is naturally involved. It is about God, and His sole right to divine honour" Letter 184
He fascinates me as well, for many reasons, I love that he's pretty much the Lucifer/Satan of the legendarium.. I like to think that eru had no choice but to pour every aspect of his own being and divide it amongst the Valar, and chose to have his dark side manifest in only Melkor so that all evil could be contained in a single being... I suppose it made sense to eru to pick just one, especially if it was a necessity
I think Melkor being completely irredeemable doesn't fit Tolkien's philosophy. He once stated in an interview that he didn't believe in absolute evil, and Sauron for example was "not evil to begin with". Much of the evil in the world is manifested in him, he is the one responsible for the corruption and marring of Arda. Sure he is terribly evil, but to say completely evil would take it too far imo. Like Sauron was corrupted by Melkor, Melkor himself was corrupted by his very own nature; jealousy, pride, selfishness and arrogance.
A perfect being created of light, but with intelligence to see it's opposite. He chose the darkness as it fed his self-love. With intelligence, the temptation to egotism goes hand in hand. Once the path was chosen, he could no longer taste the light as he had, and so sought to destroy it or control it wherever he could out of envy, pain, and hatred.
Melkor's fall came from inital virtue just as Sauron. He wanted to create and fill the empty void with things. An aspect much like his own creator, Eru, and his kin, Aule the Smith. However that virtue and desire became utterly warped at the end into wishing to destroy everything that was not his own.
The tragedy of Melkor is that his desire to create wasn’t innately evil. Aüle also longed to create, and did create the Dwarves and in doing overstepped his place in Erú’s will. When Erú confronted Aüle about his presumptuousness he repented and set to amend his mistake, yet when Erú confronted Melkor, he felt no such repentance. The difference is that Aüle’s desire was born from generosity, wanting to share the gift of life, whereas Melkor wanted to create so that he would be glorified. His desire was born of pride.
The irony is that glory, esteem and all that came with it would have been Melkor’s if he had stayed faithful to Erú. He was the mightiest of all the Ainur and he probably would have been made king of the Valar instead of Manwé had he been faithful, as he had insight into all things. Had he been humble and waited he would have been given all he desired, instead he tried to take it and received none of it.
Melkor, He who arises in Might, became Morgoth, the Dark Enemy of the World, when he allowed pride to rule his heart and unswervingly overstepped his place in God’s purpose.
My 2p.
Tolkien was a Roman-Catholic and LotR is an analogy of Christianity. Melkor = Lucifer.
Iluvatar/God is a controlling, overbearing, patriarchal tyrant.
Melkor just wanted to make his own music. #MelkorDidNothingWrong
Ave Satanis
I know it's out there, but, I really feel I enjoy the tales of the Valar more than those of the beings that were mortal. It's too bad we don't have anything official to close the world out. I would love to had read of further ages than the third in Tolkien's word, right up to and including "The Final Song."
Great video. Thanks so much.
The moment he exchanged his angelic/spiritual powers for the power over the physical matter of the universe and Arda:
"To gain domination over Arda, Morgoth had let most of his being pass into the physical constituents of the Earth-hence all things that were born on Earth and lived on and by it, beasts or plants or incarnate spirits, were liable to be ' stained"
What turned Arda into the Ring of Morgoth (contrasted with the One Ring):
"contrasted the nature of Sauron's power, concentrated in the One Ring, with that of Morgoth, enormously greater, but dispersed or disseminated into the very matter of Arda: 'the whole of Middle-earth was Morgoth's Ring."
This "Melkor-element" is the "Mana", the MP used by Sauron, through the One Ring, to increase his power and make his spells:
"It was this Morgoth-element in matter, indeed, which was a prerequisite for such 'magic' and other evils as Sauron practiced with it and upon it."
Melkor became Morgoth after he killed Finwe and stole the Silmarills, and so Feanor cursed Melkor for ever as "The Black Foe of the World" .... Morgoth.
When the Eldar started calling him by that name.
In J.R.R. Tolkien early concept of the Children of the Ainur, Melkor had a son Kosomot (later Gothmog) with an ogress, Fuithluin.
Nienna, the Vala of Mourning, was Manwe and Melkor's sister until Tolkien made her the sister of Namo and Irmo instead.
In other writings, it was said that Melkor wanted to claim the Maia Arien as his wife and ravished her, to "destroy and disdain her, not to beget any fiery offspring".
In some versions, Melkor will be defeated by Eonwe during the Dagor Dagorath, driven by his love for Arien, instead of by Turin Turambar.
He saw a glimpse into the future and watched the first two episodes of rings of power, once the credits ran, he immediately knew what had to be done.
No matter how goth you are, Melkor is Morgoth.
Melkor is the darkness of Eru. He and Eru are the two sides of the same coin. Without the creation of Eru and destruction of the creations of Melkor, the world would have no balance.
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I got an what if
What if Sauron never joined morgoth
I feel this prejudice towards discordant music is undeserved. Some of of the best music is discordant or atonal. Ligeti's Requiem is one of the most amazing pieces of music ever made.
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
When you’re doing another character review from the first age, can you do Huan the Hound of Valinor?
Let's be honest Melkor was always a little goth
Amazing work as always. Please don’t stop quoting the video
That Melkor was a skullduggery merchant
Middle earth just needs something to fight for or against. A reason to always move forward and to regain strength. Melkor or evil itself is it’s own reason. Balance and a striving, a movement like shooting an arrow with a direction and purpose for creation.
When he pissed off Feanor
“And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.”
I think it was in this moment that, if Melkor had paid closer attention to these words, he might have come to a startling revelation. Any evil he could possibly do would be in vain as it would do nothing but increase the glory and wonder of Eru and creation. But I also think that Eru hinted at a way for Melkor to ‘win’… which was by doing nothing. If he had chosen to do absolutely nothing after descending to Arda, then no one can stop him, because there’s nothing to stop in the first place. Nor can they force him to do anything as he does no wrong by doing nothing.
A silent treatment that endured until Arda comes an end. The only way to win this game would be not to play, after all how can anyone make use of an instrument that refuses the play.
Melkor, as we all know was one of the three magi who were guided by the Northstar to the birth of Christ...
Melchior...
@@mitchellsmith4690 I am well aware of the correct spelling jackhole....I was trying to be funny and obviously failed miserably to amuse you and your sophisticated sense if humor.
Did Eru make him that way? The product of the song and the very discord a part of the great music? How much free will did Eru grant each of the ainur?
I always thought it was "Ill-oo-Vih-Tar"
Request: a video on Mandos.
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With the accent mark over the “u”, is it pronounced eh-LU-va-tar? I’ve heart both Brits and Americans use that pronunciation.
Haha I've said it both ways and been corrected either way... So can't win 😂
@@TheBrokenSword it was a genuine question. I do apologize if it sounded cranky. 😧
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I definitely agree that it's more Eh-LU-vat-ar rather than than Ilu-vater, the latter sounds rather jarring in the context of Tolkien.
I had no idea Melko BECAME Morgoth. I always just thought they were two different alias's for the same person
Melko/Melkor was his original name. Morgoth was his alias.
@@johanabigasova6770 Got it
Black Foe of the World.
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When Fëanor named him such. D'uh.
Technically Tulkas was stronger than him 😊
@@republikadugave420 no
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After spending too many nights at the local goth club...
You are make, a great video about Melkor (full story, 40 minutes long). Please, make specific video abouth Eru Iluvatar. Thank you
I wanna see Melkor on screen so badly. Buy now i am SO GLAD hes not showing up in this new 'series." They would have given him some back story to try and make him relatable not understanding that he's just a pure evil dark lord and we don't need a reason. It's NOT that kind of story 🙄. They probably would have made him like the mafia boss of an exclusive club at Angband and when Fingolfin injures his dancing foot he gets pissed so he gets real into heavy drugs. Not knowing what he is doing as a result of hallucinations, Luthien slips him a mickey & turns his werewolf into a poodle. Then there's an explosion. Sounds about right for the kinda shit these two "writers" would come up with and twist around.
I think he just needed the love of a good woman.
Melkor becomes morgoth after fighting. Ungoliant both lost soo match power.he become morghot and she got so weak even Melian can beat her
#MelkorDidNothingWrong
When did mall core become more goth? That’s what I read. I apologize in advance.
Video 180
i love the rings of power i dont care what anyone says yes it could be better but i love it anyway i need more content im tired of star wars getting everything released
Cool bruh, its average though, could be much better.
Nothing seems to be good anymore, Marvel has become a joke, Disney has destroyed Star Wars, Amazon has 2 great epic fantasy IPs and cant do more than average, Netflix The Witcher is also average, and even HBO fucked up in such epic fashion the end of Game of Thrones.
Where is the talent that was so abundant before? What happened to Hollywood?
@@aesir1ases64 do you think its because there is just so much content these days marvel has overstayed its welcome now
Melkor was the bad side of each of other Vala.
The malice that corrupted all of the other’s creations.
Essential for the creation of Arda as we know it!
Ill-oo-VAH-tahr, not Ill-oo-VA-tuhr.
Why you saying illuvatar like that
its called Eru ilú va tar, not ilú VA tar
He never became Morgoth...Its just the name they gave him after he showed his intentions
Eru Iluvatar is the same stupid cruel indifferent fictional character like the christian god.
It's said that Tolkien was a Katholic, so why did he make up another god? Doesn't the bible say you are not allowed to make up other gods and have to reject every religion expet his?
Wasn't it a sin in his own belief what Tolkien did?
He was smart but religious people suffer from sebere cognitive dissonance.
It's pronounced Ilúvatar, not Ilúvata. You're not pronouncing the "r".
Lucifer was the bright and morning star. The Arch Angel above all others. Yet, pride goes before a fall in all cases so Lucifer fell and became Satan. So it goes with Melkour whose evil pride eventually turns him into Morgoth. On another subject I was curious about how Tolkien creates Mordor that is close to Murder and of course Sauron is along the lines of Satan.