Why Did SAURON Make the ONE RING? | The Powers & Purpose of the Rings | Middle-Earth Lore
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- Опубликовано: 25 июн 2024
- In this video we’re looking at the making of the One Ring and the other Rings of Power, their powers and purpose and try to understand what Sauron intended and what went wrong.
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1:17 - Prologue
2:44 - Sauron and his Corruption
6:11 - One Ring to Rule Them All
10:46 - Conclusion/Outro
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The one ring is a kind of antenna that manipulates the Morgoth Ingredient - the "mana" used by Sauron to exercise his powers - present in the physical matter (biological and inanimate) of Arda:
"It was this Morgoth-element in matter, indeed, which was a prerequisite for such ‘magic’ and other evils as Sauron practised with it and upon it. - Morgoth's Ring (History of Middle Earth)."
So that rational creatures are (to a greater or lesser degree) corruptible. It's the logic of kings-turned-Nazgûl: the more kind and convict you are, the more time and effort corruption takes.
He used this ring to corrupt Númenor:
- "Sauron was, of course, 'confounded' by the disaster, and diminished (having expended enormous energy in the corruption of Númenor). He needed time for his own bodily rehabilitation, and for gaining control over his former subjects. He was attacked by Gil-galad and Elendil before his new domination was fully established" - Letter 211
What Tolkien could have done was show what difference this ring made to Sauron after its creation. Like, having explained that without the One Ring, the Orcs, trolls and other creatures were leaderless, and after the creation of the power ring, Sauron managed to dominate the monsters.
thanks for leaving this comment good sir. i wrote this script over the course of a few days and you always have to question what you leave out. the greatness of Tolkien is how endless his world truly is. A lovely comment and thank you! "The Morgoth ingredient" is most intriguing!
This is the correct interpretation . The world was already created by evil in a way, maybe even just a diluted way. The ring would be able to stir up all of that evil
incredible comment bro
Student of Aüle and the greatest deceiver! amazing video guys, hope to see more of Sauron, such an interesting character
I love making videos on him so you can count on that!!
Besides Gandalf, he’s my favorite! 🥰
My day always gets better when another video from The Broken Sword comes out!
James as always grear and interesting video, I really love these "why did someone something" videos!!!
Oh yeah, like why did this channel become a shill and mouthpiece for Amazon 🙈😂
Thank for that! So great to hear such positive things 😁💪
@@TheBrokenSword Could you do a videos on valor gods and goddesses characters. based on main group that hold that particular valor in high regard. include student mayar who studied under them or elf’s. Maybe how Olran(Gandalf) trained Glorfindal or ;why Aule seems to make dark lords out of his students! and the dwarfs ability to hold grudges the longest out other races of middle earth. How that could be a sign of Aule being a grudge holder himself. he did make the dwarfs by himself so they probably reveal a lot about his character. Or how Radagast the brown shows the wood lady valar disregard for peoples of middle earth and her preference towards nature
@@shogun0810 I haven't kept up-to-date with all this channels vids. Have they really been giving praise to Rings of Power? If that's true I'm disappointed, because most of the Tolkien channels have been fairly one sided in respect to the "quality" of that show
To be fair you gotta admire Sauron's nafarious albeit 6000 years+ patience.
The 13th Century Welsh king Gwynedd, Llywelyn the Great, had a ring made for his wife-to-be - Joan, Lady of Wales, the illegitimate daughter of King John of England. The ring had an inscription which read:
Un fodrwy i ddangos ein cariad; Un fodrwy i'n clymu.
This inscription translates as:
One ring to show our love; One ring to bind us.
Llywelyn and Joan were married in 1206. The inscription would have been known to Tolkien who had ready access to the Red Book of Hergest and the White Book of Rhydderch, the two main sources of the Welsh legends of the Mabinogion, in which Llywelyn the Great features and is known to have been part of Tolkien's library.
Great video, love this dynamic between Sauron, Celebrimbor and how it seems all great craftsmith are bound to a tragic end in Tolkien's lore.
If Sauron had recover the One Ring he would have won the war, I believe, until maybe Eru allowed Gandalf and Glorfindel to release their true powers, The Valar might also release a new host like they did against Morgoth.
That is actually a nice theory.
Cause when you think about it morgoth was eventually destroyed by the valar even though he was a powerful being.
So the same could have happened with sauron.
Cuae if he recovered the one ring it wouldn't have been sauron VS elves and men and dwarves. It would have been sauron against the valar cause the people of the middle earth wouldn't have the power to defeat him if he became the next power ful being like morgoth.
That's a good point I agree with both your theroys
I don’t think the Valar would’d been involved if Sauron won the war.
Sauron is no Morgoth and ultimately the lives of men would be under his rule, but Sauron didn’t seek to destroy then.
The only moment I believe the valar would take part is when the prophecy of Morgoth return were realized, and in this moment they would vanquish Morgoth and Sauron.
Morgoth was weakened with each conflict.
The Valar likely were as well. I wonder what strength they have left.
@@David-iy1zt Yes but the Valar didn't get that much weaker , look at Sauron , he was still pretty powerful after 2 'death' in the 3rd age, a Valar who never lost their original body would be very powerful
Small point: let us remember that all Rings of Power crafted by Elves where planned to be used by Elves. Dwarves and Men became the plan B after plan A backfired.
Other than that, great video, guys
Sauron just love blings... And he wasn't embarrassed about it.
Even had more rings made by the elf smiths.
I once had similar question asked to me. Well. It was more of an argument really, with a Harry Potter fanatic. Basically my answer was ‚The same reasons why JK Rowling copied the idea for Voldermorts horcrucses or whatever made up word all call them.’
I swear if I hear you say “Alven” one more time…
I’ll keep watching these videos because they’re awesome.
Great video as always guys cepe up the good work
Since Sauron was aware that his master Melkor had incarnated his soul into Arda, after his expulsion from Arda, Sauron attributed the evil presence and quality of every action he did to the power of Melkor spreading across Arda, and received support from it.
The name Melkor doesn't exist anymore, because he was called Morgoth among the Elvs.
Sauron would still know Morgoth as Melkor though, since he is a Maiar. Might not call him that, but still the OP is not incorrect in using it.
@@WaggaDaBagga Lol so cause the elvs said it it is already canon?😂 Morgoth is just the weak version of Melkor , some pathetic elf won't change anything
@@davidkosiba624 He wasn't a different version, just another name for the same evil. Melkor did became much weaker with time, to the level of almost becoming mortal
I would love to see a video on: could feanor have uncrafted the one ring. It's so divided online as people say he could and couldn't. I would love to see your take on it!!!
Nahhhh I most certainly don’t think he could. lol
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Must be a sideeffect of serving Aule that both Sauron and Saruman develop this lust to craft things to control other things. But also, I think Sauron creating the one Ring was a sign of his hubris that he believed could dominate elves, men, and dwarves with such an innocuous thing as a simple ring of gold and using the hubris, wants, and fears of the other races against them in their rings, but also Sauron playing the devil on the shoulder of Celebrimbor feeding into his pride of he was the greatest Craftsman after Feanor, why not try to one up him to prove he could become the best.
Hold Celebrimbor innocent? He was warned, 2x to not treat with Annatar, yet his desire for knowledge outweighed his caution and his ability to listen to good advice.
I had the same thought. But at the same time, Annatar is the great deceiver. Being warned of possible bad doing and warned of bad doing with proof is 2 different things. The Elf's at the time couldn't have known. They just had a bad feeling.
Agreed, a lust for knowledge and power blinded them to the wisdom in Gil-Galad’s and Elrond’s warnings. They pod the ultimate price, though.
@Derek Dow screwing up Is in their DNA
Celebrimbor is the mad scientist of his time
He was such a looker in his fair form.
I was baking for hobbit day and listening to this video and I will prefect!
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Oh, I know this one!
"To rule them all."
Next! 😜
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If The One Ring is a machine, then the whole west of Middle-Earth Rages Against The Machine :)
Nice video
Thank you!
Excellent. 😊
Thank you!
How else is an OCD maiar supposed to remember where he put the remote...keep up the great work Mellon! ECTHELION!
Thank you!
I'm listening to the Fellowship of the Ring audiobook right now and to answer your question it's very simple Sauron rules the world
I wish you guys went way back
Like before the popular era
And talked about the things that people aren't really famalier with.
Like the northern waste
Or the lands beyond middle earth
Or the reasons morgoth embraced the darkness and how sauron became his servant. Maybe about their life and if they ever felt love.
Really wish you could really expand the Tolkien world.
We definitely plan to, and have done in times in the past! We like to try and cover everything, and given enough time we certainly plan to 😁
Me talking to James: Yeah I think they beheaded morgoth.
James: Really? I thought it was his feet.
*we investigate*
James:
For the same reason you had him cover his left eye.
I have a question for my fellow Lord of the Rings fans? How many of you have a functioning and wearable "The One Ring" or have one that is for display purposes?
If Sauron regained the ring, no matter at what moment, Gandalf would have retreated back to Tom Bombadil's lands, likely with Aragorn, saved by the Eagles. Next, they would have made it to the Grey Havens and on to the Valar. With some convincing, they would have come to the aid of the peoples of Middle Earth and defeated Sauron, ring or no ring. But it was the intention of Eru Illivitar that humans defeated Sauron. The evil of Morgoth was beyond the ability of Men, but that of Sauron was within.
Sauron without the ring is a Second Age power in a Third Age world. He can't be beaten as it is.
Getting the ring ensures there's no other way to beat him. Getting the ring means his already invulnerable power at scale is now also enhanced personally. He also removes the primary strength defending Rivendell, Lothlorien, and whatever power Gandalf was able to manifest in inspiring those around him.
Sauron didn't actually need the ring to win by the Third Age, but it did represents a way to beat him. Which is part of the point of the story. Sauron's pride and desire to control others ends up being the thing that helps to bring him down. If he had been less prideful, more willing to work with others, and just been less generally evil, he might have survived the Third Age. But that would have meant sharing power and as Gandalf observed at the pinnacle of Orthanc,
"There is only one Lord of the Rings. Only one who can bend it to his will. And he does NOT share power."
Sauron was planning to take on Vala again in the future. He needed more power.
I think he would have clicked his fingers & erased 1/2 the population of Ea. The Avengers - I mean the Fellowship - would have to travel back in time & get the ring before Thanos - I mean Sauron - could get it, bring it to the present, restore everyone, & put it back in the past to preserve the timeline. Then everyone would have to team up & defeat Sauron in the present. Everyone from Hawkeye - I mean Legolas - to Aquaman - I mean Ulmo - would be involved & eventually victorious. I hope you like my completely original idea, not based on any superhero franchise.
Asking again for a Celebrimbor dedicated video. Haven't found one by you and don't trust other LotR posters 😅
In deep geek has a video on him and he’s a really good lotr poster
What-if video idea for you to do:
What if Gandalf never fell at the Bridge of Khazad-dum and continued with the fellowship to Lothlorien and on forward?
He would probably have to sacrifice himself fighting Saruman and then gets resurrected as a white wizard to fight Sauron
You talk about control, then you ask us to reveal our thoughts?... crafty.
My question is why did Sauron put so much of his power into the One Ring?
Well, the ring had to be powerful enough to bind the other rings and that power did have to come from somewhere.
Morgoth also had to put his power into his magical devices or corruptions. He was actually very weak (relatively speaking) as an individual when the Valar defeated him, he just had a huge army of dragons, balrogs, orcs and so on that almost brought him victory.
Exactly. Each of the Valar and Maiar had a finite amount of power to begin with. When they created, they used pieces of it. So, using one's power in any permanent way would reduce their overall power. The reason Morgoth was eventually able to be defeated was because he was obsessed with trying to mimic the power of true creation, the flame imperishable. He mutated and corrupted to create dragons, orc, Balrog. He took a gamble that this would allow him to eventually rule.
Sauron also gave this gamble a shot- in order to create rings strong enough to bind the minds of other beings and spread his corruption and control, he had to invest an inordinate amount of power into it. That power was tinged by his own dark spirit. I would say that if he had not tried to ensnare the elves, the One ring would definitely have been enough power to corrupt all of humanity and dwarfdom. Sauron also would have had more of his own personal might at his disposal. However, he was still less powerful than Morgoth and many elves still rivaled Maiar in power. He was too arrogant to NOT try to control the elves. Honestly, Sauron probably could have united all other races on middle-earth against the elves and exterminated them had he set his initial sights a bit lower. But he could not.
This is true Tolkien - Someone did something. Why? Because...
3 rings for Alvin, and his chipmunk friends
if sauron had the one ring, the only way the free people could survive being independent from him is to slay his physical form once again, they will have Aragorn , and Gandalf will still be at their side, there will be great urgency to defend the shire from Saruman's surviving forces of Goblin-man and man-Orc , if Saruman was to be defeated by the ents at this timeline, Melkorists from all kind and race would cursade against the free people, coming from places so remote only the Valar king Manwe could know about. If Sauron had gained back the ring, he would bring terrible evil to middle earth, and the mission of the likes of Gandalf will become much harder, and possibly fail completely
I have often tried to think about what would happen if Souron did get the one ring back. What would he have done after he had covered all the world in the second darkness. Would he have then attempted to taughnt Valinor or would he have attempted, in secterect, to find the Doors of Night and bring back the true Dark Lord?
After all, once he claims back the ring, I don't think even the likes of Gildalad Alrond or Garadrial would have the strength to defeat him. He would defeat Aragorn and take Gondor, claim the Palin tire there, the take ISengard. Before that, Gandalf would have fell and his ring would have been claimed too.
It can just worse and worse.
I don't know what you think?
Sauron with the Ring would have won, this is not a debate , Galadriel and Gandalf barely could keep him away when he didn't even have the Ring, Sauron would have killed all of them and rule middle Earth , he would leave Valinor alone cause first he can't really go there and second of all he would not wanna get prisoned cause he could not win that fight even with Morgoth
Completely off topic but how likely is it to see Sauron before Season 1 of RoP ends?
I hope to see him by next two epsiodes tbh---I hate when shows hold out character´s reveals for too long.
If what i heard is true, episode 6 it is-
We likely already saw Sauron, even though he tries to masquerade as someone else.
I am not going to say anything more.
You've seen him. It leaked. Even without the leak anybody above the age of 10 can see through their comically bad writing and already knows who Sauron is.
I feel we may get a cliffhanger hint to him at the end of the season, but I doubt anything more obvious than that if I’m honest! But who knows!!
Here’s a hint: Sauron is said to have gone from the prison in Numenor to the kings most trusted advisor in just a couple years…
The entirety of the ring poem couldn’t possibly have been composed when the one ring was forged, as Sauron didn’t know about the Elven rings. It could’ve been authored by the Elves (as the references to shadows and darkness might suggest), but I speculate that it was Sauron for use as dark propaganda. It smells a little of retconning when things didn’t go according to plan: “uh, yeah, that’s what I wanted to happen all along!”
The full ring poem was written by the Elves I think, the ring itself just says "One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them', which is apparently what Sauron incited when he finished forging the One Ring. When he said this Celebrimbor heard him, and the Elves removed their rings.
@@jerryworld1223 Exactly! That's the moment he found out about the Elven rings, which is after the One Ring was forged. So my theory is he added the part about who each set of rings was for, like that was his plan the whole time
So, if Sauron was in our world today, would his name by Myron Ringgold? And would he work at Barad-dur Jewelers on Mordor Street in Brooklyn?
If Sauron was able to craft the 1 ring alone, why did he turn to the elves to help him craft the others?
Celebrimbor wasn't innocent. He still should have used wisdom, regardless of if he was being deceived or not
The dark lord loved his jewellery
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Rick and Mortel
Something I have often wondered; why did Celebimbor get his rings for free? To give his own ring power, Sauron had to pour a lot of himself itnto it, if he wanted the might to dominate the minds of those who wore them. I get that such a power stunt had a cost, hence while his One Ring increased his power, it also lessened it, but then Celebimbor was able to make several; at least three without Sauron, and the others, too, even if Sauron maybe helped foot their bill. Why did Celebimbor get three Rings for free, but Sauron's cost him so much? Why did Feanor manage three Silmarils, and the Palantiri Stones, without lessening himself, but Sauron's One Ring took more than half his native might?
I've had the same question myself. I don't think Tolkien spells this out anywhere unless it's in the history of middle earth books. The same principle at play in Sauron's forging of the ring was also how Morgoth corrupted all of Middle Earth, which was his "ring": he irrevocably poured some of his own native power into it in order to better manipulate it and amplify his power in some ways. It may be that the elves did not have this ability (being mere elves), that they did not know how to do so, that the types of rings they made did not require such a cost, or that they chose not make the rings in such a way as to diminish themselves. Without any words from Tolkien on this point it's hard to say but my guess is that perhaps one had to pour their own power into something if they wanted to gain mastery and dominion through it. This was not the goal of Celebrimbor, but it was Morgoth and Sauron's goal and thus maybe that's why Celebrimbor did not have to diminish himself to make the rings. This could also explain why the one ring could enslave those who wore the others: it was made in a different way with greater potency poured into it for the purpose of gaining mastery and dominance over others. It's possible that I am wrong here and Celebrimbor did pour out his own native power into the three rings, but we're never told this and it would be quite a cost to pay (and unlike Sauron, the continued existence of his rings does not keep his spirit tethered to middle earth when he dies, so I'd lean against this view). Feanor's magical creations like the palantiri are helpful to consider here too because he did not apparently spend himself in the making of them, so it seems possible for beings such as elves to create things with magical properties without diminishing themselves in the process. Tolkien leaves the "how" of such crafting processes a mystery to us.
Not one ring to roll them all,its rule them all
Answer to the title: So the book can happen.
Sauron would have taken control of everything and slowly destroyed it all!!
Sauron was defeated NUMEROUS times PRIOR to the creation of the One Ring.
Sauron put a large part of himself into a ring. Basically turning one into two. 60-40 (just an example).
If he gets the ring back Sauron will become “unbeatable”.
WHAT? HUH?!?
60% + 40% = 100%
In other words, Sauron is back to the state (100%) that he had been when he had already been defeated numerous times.💁♂️
There’s the HUGE plot hole in the story
No you didn’t even pay attention
Sauron before he made the rings after the war of wrath didn’t even fight yet
The war of wraith was over for 500 years he did nothing but go into the east and many more gathering followers
Sauron had not reached his prime yet
And then he went to the elves to make the rings
Again no fighting took place before he made the rings after morgoth’s as defeated
And his only ever record defeat before hand was his fight with huan and luthian in which it’s clear Sauron by all accounts would beat huan and luthan in any other circumstances but due to then both working together prophecy and luck did they pin him down but it wasn’t so much a fight as he was cheep shotted
other than that Sauron is the strongest evil being in arda outside of Morgoth himself with maybe ungolaint if she just drank from the 2 trees
Let me break down saruon’s power progression shall we
Sauron during the beginning before he went evil in arda he was powerful indeed but not the most powerful maiar in arda
As the chiefs of the maiar would most likely hold that title plus may maiar are indeed more powerful than others in areas they didn’t specialize in, as even the chiefs are less powerful than other maiar with specialities
Sauron when he joined morgoth’s perhaps became more powerful gaining in a way all morgoth’s abilities to a lesser extent by learning them under morgoth or morgoth giving him said powers, as sauron never was able to say be a necromancer, control the whether dark magic, fire water, and many other abilities the other maiar had
Effectively Sauron perhaps became the most versatile maiar in all arda but this was all before his prime
At the very least he is stronger than the maiar osse who once was counted as a servant of morgoth but no longer yet his strength could raise the island of Numinor itself which is 4 quadrillion tons worth if not more given he brought it up form the ocean floor
Basically what I’m saying is as time goes on Sauron got stronger
And if he ever lost a “fight” it was his armies that lost not himself in a fights
As the only 2 recordings of Sauron losing a fight where he fought himself, both before he was at his most powerful, again with huan and luthian and the final battle of the last alliance
But Sauron if he did end up defeating armies or skilled individuals most likely non where made record because dead men tell no tales and it’s clear Sauron could even if he didn’t which is why everyone is afraid of him
Sauron when he was at his prime made the one ring and believe it or not tolkiens said having it enhanced his power far greater than when he didn’t have it before he made it
Basically if he did remove 60% of his power
The ring would always hold 60% yet Sauron given time can get to 100% even without his ring
And with the ring goes firm 100 to 160% if you do the math
and by that point he was in his prime
And lost it after eru destroyed his physical form in numinor where he was left to be at 60% only due to his one ring
Otherwise he wouldn’t be able to come back at all
And the last alliance have been fighting a Sauron perhaps at just 60% not the full 160 meaning he would have won if he was at his strongest
And the whole point is that 60% in the one ring must remain otherwise if it’s destroyed Sauron won’t be able to come back because he bounded and ability to recover in the ring in order to get more powerful so in the event if he ever was defeated somehow he can come back
As it’s stated he probably would have been defeated when eru destroyed his body in numinor
Meaning if he didn’t make his ring he wouldn’t have come out of that at all
Which is kinda the whole point of why they last alliance exists to kill Sauron again before he recovers otherwise everyone is done for
And destroy his ring to make sure he can’t come back again
It’s even stated in tolkiens unfinished works that Sauron very easily could destroy all Numinor with his destructive power alone when they came to his doorstep and if he were to deathstroke the island
Yet it’s said Sauron can’t or doesn’t use his powers that way it’s not in his style, and the nature of why morgoth’s lost his own power is the same
Basically if both of their power is water using water you must regain it somehow
But unlike good valar and maiar who have acres to the sink morgoth and Sauron don’t thus need to recover more gradually by comparison
And he rather outsmart his enemies then just overpower them
And again any other so called defeat Sauron took was due to his armies being overturned
In which again it’s said Sauron still had the power to destroy his enemies but it probably would have caught the attention of the valar if he did and the fact like morgoth if he uses his power it will take some time to recover before he can do something like that again
Basically there is no plot hole you just have to understand the power progression
I'm a bit confused. The elves knew about the deception and purpose of the rings but still continued to use theirs (Nenya, etc)? How could they do this safely?
Because they knew that the One was lost and Sauron couldn't use it. This is why they are so sombre when they realise that the One has been found. If Sauron regains it, then he will rule the world. If it is destroyed, then the three will fade and the Elven realms will fade also.
They could use their rings safely only as long as Sauron did not have the one. While Sauron did not have the one; the three was a great source of strength for the Elves.
Sauron regaining the one would have meant a double hit as the enemy grew stronger and the elves grew weaker simply by the need to put their rings aside.
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Did Elrond have his ring during the Last Alliance war?
I'm pretty sure that the ring Elrond carried was actually Gil-Galad's. I think I read that GG gave the ring to Elrond to hold for him during the Last Alliance and it so stayed with him after GG fell. But obviously, neither could wear the ring while Sauron had the one, so it would have been useless during the war.
I could be very off-base on this, but I'm not certain that Sauron gaining the One Ring back from Frodo would have been a huge difference-maker in terms of how the battles would have gone. The original purpose of the One was, as you say, to control the leaders of the races. But at this point, those leaders were no longer leaders. The Nazgul were kings of no men, apart from MAYBE the ones already under his control. Granted, the One would have given Sauron his true powers once again, as he tied up so much into it's forging, but it isn't as if he going to be going out onto the battlefield himself to use it in that regard. I always looked at is as, he needs the One back because it's destruction was the only way he could lose. His original plan for it failed, and now it was a liability. If he'd gotten it back, yes, he'd have won the war. But if it was never found, or Frodo failed and the One was left to rot in the Dead Marshes or wherever, he still would have won. The only way he loses is if it is destroyed. The reason I may be off-base on this, is that part of the power of the One is that no one can willingly destroy it. Sauron never even CONSIDERED that someone would do so because the One wouldn't allow it. That was it's pull. It was really only destroyed "by accident" (in so much as Illuvitar's plan is an "accident"). So maybe he never saw it as a liability necessarily, and really only wanted it because, you know, it has most of his power and he really likes power. Also, I suppose that after he wins, he could redistribute the other rings to new kings and control the races that way as well. I don't know, I'm far from a leading Tolkien mind, ha.
Two points I wish to disagree with you on. The first is that unlike Melkor, Sauron didn’t lead from behind and cower in the shadows when he had might; he was far more at home leading his legions into battle than the first dark lord. The second point is that it was no accident that the ring was destroyed. If you look at the text closely, after Gollum has broken his promise twice and is shown pity by Sam and Frodo the ring itself uses the equivalent of a Word of Power on Gollum to hold him to his third promise of never touching the ring again lest he be cast into flame. The chapter is told from Sam’s perspective and he sees the ring as a wreath of flame around Frodo’s neck and he sees the words being issued from the wreath of flame, not from Frodo and it’s lack of pity is markedly different than what Frodo and Sam showed. This is significant narratively in a number of ways, if Sam and Frodo hadn’t forgiven him for breaking his vows then he wouldn’t have been there to take the ring and evil would have succeeded. If the ring hadn’t taken such a strident affect and cursed Gollum to die if he touched it again, the ring would have been ok. Overall this shows the difference between good and evil and how evil is ultimately self defeating in its pitilessness. In my mind there is a marked difference between that and a mere accident.
@@AnotherZenThought I agree that Sauron is more comfortable leading from the front than Melkior. Clearly he is, otherwise he'd never had had the One cut from him in the first place. I guess that's a little more of a conjecture on my part, as I would think he'd learn his lesson, but you are technically correct, the best kind of correct, as they say. For the "accident," you are also correct, but I think we are saying the same thing just in different ways. The One did essentially "play itself" as evil often does, but at the same time, it does so because everything in Middle Earth plays out exactly as Illuvitar planned. I guess my understanding is that there really is no free will in Tolkien's works per se, rather that Illuvitar set everything in motion to play out exactly as it does. That's why I have accident in quotation marks. It wasn't really an accident; it just, on the surface, appeared as one. Evil was self-defeating, but that's because Illuvitar had it that way. My fundamental understanding of Illuvitar could be way wrong here, but I've heard others describe it all that way as well, better minds than mine.
Gandalf himself answers that if Sauron got the One Ring that the Captains of the West and their valour would be vain. Sauron had Numbers in terms of Troops, he just lacked Knowledge and Power in himself to reveal all the remaining Rings of Power and beat the Power of their Wielders. This he would have with the One Ring.
It's a key reason why the One Ring couldn't just be Hidden. Sauron was going to win eventually anyway, it might have taken many more years and many Wars but Sauron's eventual victory was assured as the Free People no longer had the Numbers nor ability to rally more than Local Areas worth of Troops to fight. Islands in a sea that one by one would have been swallowed.
I agree that their universe seems somehow even more deterministic than ours (if that’s even possible). The reason being that while we are as predestined as they are to do as we are going to, they have a single overseeing entity that planned those actions, whereas ours just happens because of the normal consequences of the laws of nature; to our knowledge nothing decided in advance on the outcomes we get (not that this gives us any more free will or agency, ultimately we are in just as much of a fixed course as they are).
It reminds me of a limerick:
There was a young man who said “Damn,
For it certainly seems that I am,
A creature that moves
In determinate grooves,
I’m not even a bus - I’m a tram.”
In regards to no one being able to willingly destroy the ring....that isn't actually the case. Tolkien wrote in a letter about what would happen if the events at the secret pool would have gone differently and Gollum would have continued on his path of repentance. It boils down to Gollum still eventually tries to take the ring from Frodo. However, since he has been on his path of repentance for longer, his mind has rehabilitated to a greater degree. So when he claims the ring and puts it on, he will be better able to perceive Sauron. And upon perceiving him, he will KNOW that Sauron will be coming and WILL take the ring. Gollum would not be able to face him and keep the ring. So, Gollum would come to the realization that the only way he can keep the ring and hurt Sauron would be to fling himself holding the ring into Mt Doom. He would also perceive this as being the best possible thing he can do to for Frodo as well. So that is likely what would happen. Tolkien then says that if Gollum wouldn't have been there to steal the ring from Frodo in those last moments, then Frodo would have come to the same realization. Once claiming the ring....the only way to keep the ring....the only way to 'win'....would be to cast yourself and the ring into Mt Doom.
So, one thing that can win out over preserving the ring...would be the thought that someone would take it from you....especially if that someone is Sauron and of such a power that you know once he takes the ring you are NEVER getting it back. You still can't/won't give up the ring and willing drop it into Mt Doom......but both you and the ring perishing at the same time is apparently a loophole to allow it's destruction....since you are never actually giving it up/surrendering it.
So to this day I still ask myself... if the One Ring was naught but a vessel for a power that Sauron would have anyway, why in Arda would he pour his very being into it? Why not retain his power within his being and refrain from any kind of silly and self-defeating delegating? I mean, if the One could control all other rings due to its being infused with Sauron's power, couldn't Sauron naturally control all rings just by... being himself, without needing to pour his power into a separate object?
To dominate others, you have to sacrifice something of your own. he had to put most of his power into the one ring to be able to completely dominate the others.
0:09 *mortal
so does this mean ur tech ally wrong cause he went by halbrand apparently and also galadriel had the idea for the rings too
No that just means the Amazon showrunners are incompetent and wrong
I don’t think Sauron would have been successful in the last, even if he did get the one ring, per Eru in the Aiulindale. Sauron would ultimately be undone by the rippling out of events started by a hobbit from the Shire
So if he recovered the one ring things would have been very different. Without morgoth and his full power regained, he would have the ability to dominate the whole world and not just middle earth.
That is actually a nice theory.
Cause when you think about it morgoth was eventually destroyed by the valar even though he was a powerful being.
So the same could have happened with sauron.
Cuae if he recovered the one ring it wouldn't have been sauron VS elves and men and dwarves. It would have been sauron against the valar cause the people of the middle earth wouldn't have the power to defeat him if he became the next power ful being like morgoth.
Morgoth wasn't destroyed though, his feet were cut from under him, he was chained and cast beyond the Door of Night into the Void.
Interesting
Is there a possible way for him to return?
@@ehc7775 Tolkien had wrote about a final battle called the Dagor Dagorath in which Morgoth would return and wage a final war. There are different accounts by Tolkien on what transpires during the event and Christopher Tolkien says that the idea was abandoned by Tolkien.
Sauron had NO HAND in making the 3 however.
Ernest Jones was too expensive?
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To rule them all. /video
Sauron was evil. But could he have been reformed?
Video 168
My question is: how would the world be if Sauron had not created the One Ring, if he had not poured so much of his power and essence into it, but merely retained it in himself?
He would have likely corrupted Numenor still , but without the Ring he would have got much weaker after the sinking of Numenor and not sure if he could have create a new form after that , since the Ring could not be destroyed by even Ancalagon's fire a sinking could not destroy it either which likely saved his ass eventually
Because he hated all the people and destroy all that was good.
how did sauron lose the one ring in the first place?
The story clearly says he did.....?
Why did Sauron want to make the one ring? Maybe because no one gave him a ring? 😁 He got so jealous and wanted to shove it up the whole Middle Earth's face.🤣 But seriously, who knows, maybe Sauron was a girl but no one knew. Maybe because no one cared. Maybe she was ugly -hiding her face in masks helmets or whatever.. or in shadows... Her being absent of love, slowly growing into jealousy and hatred, caused all of it...
When you think of this, it all makes perfect sense 😂
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All what we can do is stand and watch the fanbase getting annihilated by Bezos the bald monster.
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At the end
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Those elf's are black i ur videos maybe sawron was black we don't know
What a stupid lore. A mortal stopping an immortal?? Just wait till all the mortal that is a threat die. Is all. Just wait... you are immortal.
I am completely dumbfounded on how the hell you guys are trying to make videos on actual lore of Tolkien, make questions on Tolkien lore and still attack a lot of people calling them "purists" and make a baffling effort to connect the bastardization of Tolkien In rings of power to actual Tolkien lore, you guys clearly lost your integrity