The wreckage of the submersible built by a man who did everything he could to avoid industry standards, government regulation and government oversight was found and salvaged by equipment built to industry standards, government regulations and government oversight.
Update: the Frenchman’s daughter gave a very sad interview about the life of her dad. She was asked what OceanGate said and she said “they never even sent a text or email saying sorry for your loss.. I got nothing” Remember Stocktons wife.. she’s the alive person here who made this possible and she’s somehow been able to hide out.
The French victim was very highly experienced in deep diving submersible journeys to the Titanic wreck site and debris field. He had done more than any other person, so he had much experience of these highly specialised vehicles. Personal friends of his, experts in deep diving submersible vehicles pleaded with him not to do that trip, citing their knowledge of the problems of the Titan,, and the risk he faced if he went. He dismissed each of them... I simply cannot comprehend how someone with his experience could ever consider Titan to be safe for those depths. Luckily for him, he died completely unaware of his own horrifically grotesque death.
Maybe he knew there were problems and didn't care because of how quick it probably would happen? That he could go down and see Titanic one more time in relative comfort inside the Titan.
As someone stated during the hearings, it’s supposed to be dangerous; otherwise, there’s no interest. People who do such extreme things do it for the adrenaline rush, and after many expeditions, one starts to wrongfully believe they are immortal. So, my guess is, they all were ready to play this game.
@@StardewStartup I think it was reported that he was the accepted expert on the Titanic debris field, and he had already been down there in other deep diving submersible vehicles 38 times before his fatal trip in the unseaworthy Titan submersible.
It was a flawed concept to begin with, and that explains why they had to shop around so much to find someone willing to build it per OceanGate’s direction. I’m amazed they found someone that would.
Some engineers have re-thought their initial dismissal of a CFC hull. Perhaps they found out that certain military branches have used them. The numbers do work out, it can be done, it has been done. But ideas are a dime a dozen; implementation is everything. And Stockton Rush knew better than the experts, until he didn't.
Key for me is change in strain gage data after dive 80. Big warning sign that should have stopped manned dives in order to investigate thoroughly. But Rush wasn't that kind of guy.
From various witness statements during the hearing Rush seemed to not want to do anything that would cost money, and ultrasound scans of the hull sounds exactly like the kind of thing he would not want to do because of costs.
@@ilikeoreos-o7o the footage is actually from a couple of days after the implosion, but even then you can see what explosive decompression in an underwater setting leaves.... nothing
@@StarCenturion Oh wow thanks for telling me I did not know this was earlier footage. I’m pretty sure they did find remains kind of burnt onto the wreckage they pulled up. But yeah really not much left either way, just instantly turned into atoms.
Actually in the arft section, there was a substance like paste that tested positive for human DNA. Just think that in. 2 milliseconds 5 human beings impolded into a can of tomato paste 4kms under the ocean, which is frightening to even think of.
But can anyone explain to a layperson like myself - is the hull delamination a result of the implosion, or a cause of the implosion, and how can we be certain? If this sounds at all sceptical, it's not intended that way - genuinely wanting to understand, have no preconceptions.
The hull was cured in several sessions. If there is evidence of "rubbing" between the sections this must be the result of multiple pressure cycles. Also data from the built in real time monitoring system indicated signs of delamination sessions before the implosion.
I would guess it is the cause. A thick shell und external pressure like this is likely to fail du to to high inter laminar shear stresses (between the layers where it’s basically only „glue“ (we are talking here about strengths way below 100mpa). This could also be promoted by curing in multiple cycles(necessary because of the enormous thick of the part) 1) olds to high layers separate(delaminating) 2) now the structure consists of several thin layers instead of of one thick one which means reduced strength and stiffness 3)pressure hull probably buckled at an area of delamination and imploded All just spekulative
“Dive *80* event.” Eighty dives? I wonder what depth those were to? I’d figure this would work if it was used for a fixed number of dives as a consumable. But that’s quite a lot of cycles, esp.given it’s wound so thick over an internal mandrel.
Stockton's disregard for safety and regulations is not surprising as it is the battle cry for the billionaire class. Musk does what he wants and in most cases governments are afraid to do anything to stop them as they risk alienating the billionaire class and that could doom a parties chance of winning. If you ask me there isn't a dimes worth of difference between Stockton Rush and Elon Musk!
The difference is that Musk has the money and had the cache to attract top talent that were able to do things safely. He's a garbage person, but at least his companies are solid organizations (excluding when he gets too involved, e.g. Cybertruck or when he is just scamming, e.g. the Boring company and all the Hyperloop nonsense).
I would rather take my chances with musk, than with boeing... What problems has boeing had? And with all the time and taxpayers money that has been shoveled onto scheiss pile of canceled projects. Usually canceled around the time it was to roll out into production. Musk actually has some safety obviously. Since so many boosters have landed with no problems. Then there is a federal apparatus that left us unable to get to the only space station around this planet. And we had to buy rides from people the same federal apparatus claims is our enemy. Musk is trying to get to space. Not just to try and get rich along with squeezing the taxpayers.
It isn’t. You’re looking at a mangled oxygen tank and the coloration is likely steel primer where layers of paint were scraped off. Blood would have washed away very quickly by ocean currents.
@MigglesworthThe violence of the implosion would have been more than sufficient to remove any protective coating from metal. We’re talking about several days submersion in salt water. It’s surface rust.
@MigglesworthRoughly a week, the implosion was on 2023-06-18, and the video was taken 2023-06-25. Depending on the conditions you can get severe discoloration of steel in under an hour submerged in saltwater. Without even knowing the composition of the metal, it doesn't make sense to guess everything else that effects corrosion rates.
“Who is more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?” - Obi-Wan Kenobi. This entire (criminal) enterprise was foolishness on its face, but just the like the pandemic, most humans have a tendency towards being willingly misled, and in both cases it cost people their lives.
@@jshepard152 After watching quite a bit of the testimony in this inquiry, Rush was clearly negligent when it came to safety, long before the fatal dive ever took place.
Arguing about whether there were voids or not, proper curing of layers , changes in thickness, or other issues misses the point; the application of carbon fiber materials for manned deep sea missions is foolish. Foolish.
@@DesertPackrat not really You can do it but you need people who understand it and a proper development budget Ps most of the „facts“ floating around cfrp in this comment sections are at best anywhere between false and halfway true
This doesn’t look like results of implosion everyone was describing. Fairly big bits of shell destroyed in layers, with long cracks along the shape of the vessel, rather than more or less all layers bent inwards together, as sudden implosion would suggest.
With all the recordings from a to z and company recording everything why is there no recording of them getting into the sub and getting locked in.Certainly they would have recorded every single minute detail for future analysis. i.e. what we did right or wrong but for sure they would have recorded.Were these people really in this sub to begin with ? All 5 of them were very influential people in the world.
The one teenager was not influential. You are telling me you can keep a teenager from telling people on social media that you are alive and well? Not happening.
@@StardewStartupConspiracy theorists make up conspiracy theories, that's what they do, and they don't care if they use the unfortunate deaths of others to get their kicks.
This was maybe the most informative 2 minutes yet. Very revealing evidence.
NTSB is the 🐐
Stockton took pride in
- cutting corners.
Well... this is the result.
👉 more than corners got cut that day.
He rush-ed in the wrong direction
He cut corners alright. It was a completely round design.
Ya think thats why his DEATH WAIVERS was so elaborate and detailed? And fools still signed away😅😂
Carbon Fiber and glue, 300 atmospheres of pressure, what could go wrong?
That’s not the problem
The thing is it was designed by people with a bad understanding of of frp.
No measures where taken to improve ils.
@@harrie205 No.
The wreckage of the submersible built by a man who did everything he could to avoid industry standards, government regulation and government oversight was found and salvaged by equipment built to industry standards, government regulations and government oversight.
Textbook example of a Ticking time bomb.
5 delaminated layers where the carbon fiber started being wrapped after each heat session to cure each 1 inch layer.
Stockton Rushes wife was an Executive at OceanGate, why has she been MIA? Is she not being sued?? So many questions.
Update: the Frenchman’s daughter gave a very sad interview about the life of her dad. She was asked what OceanGate said and she said “they never even sent a text or email saying sorry for your loss.. I got nothing”
Remember Stocktons wife.. she’s the alive person here who made this possible and she’s somehow been able to hide out.
The French victim was very highly experienced in deep diving submersible journeys to the Titanic wreck site and debris field.
He had done more than any other person, so he had much experience of these highly specialised vehicles.
Personal friends of his, experts in deep diving submersible vehicles pleaded with him not to do that trip, citing their knowledge of the problems of the Titan,, and the risk he faced if he went.
He dismissed each of them...
I simply cannot comprehend how someone with his experience could ever consider Titan to be safe for those depths.
Luckily for him, he died completely unaware of his own horrifically grotesque death.
Maybe he knew there were problems and didn't care because of how quick it probably would happen? That he could go down and see Titanic one more time in relative comfort inside the Titan.
As someone stated during the hearings, it’s supposed to be dangerous; otherwise, there’s no interest. People who do such extreme things do it for the adrenaline rush, and after many expeditions, one starts to wrongfully believe they are immortal. So, my guess is, they all were ready to play this game.
@@StardewStartup I think it was reported that he was the accepted expert on the Titanic debris field, and he had already been down there in other deep diving submersible vehicles 38 times before his fatal trip in the unseaworthy Titan submersible.
Because Stockton rush was a perfect conman. That's how
It was a flawed concept to begin with, and that explains why they had to shop around so much to find someone willing to build it per OceanGate’s direction. I’m amazed they found someone that would.
Some engineers have re-thought their initial dismissal of a CFC hull. Perhaps they found out that certain military branches have used them. The numbers do work out, it can be done, it has been done.
But ideas are a dime a dozen; implementation is everything.
And Stockton Rush knew better than the experts, until he didn't.
@@UncleKennysPlacetrue it was supposbley the glue that gave out
Key for me is change in strain gage data after dive 80. Big warning sign that should have stopped manned dives in order to investigate thoroughly. But Rush wasn't that kind of guy.
He has invented this hull monitoring system just to ignore it. What a loser.
They never got the vessel scanned by ultrasound? You would think they would have picked up these faults before it failed.
Stockton didn’t need no stinkin’ ultrasound. He was keeping the Titan intact with the power of his ego!
From various witness statements during the hearing Rush seemed to not want to do anything that would cost money, and ultrasound scans of the hull sounds exactly like the kind of thing he would not want to do because of costs.
He also had it sprayed over with Rhino Lining so you could not even visually inspect the outer layers.
Stockton saw one of Phil Swift’s Flex Seal commercials and bought a case to help keep the submersible airtight.
I know it's morbid, but are there not minute body parts in these images?
It’s been over a year since it imploded. Any body part fragments are long gone
@@ilikeoreos-o7o the footage is actually from a couple of days after the implosion, but even then you can see what explosive decompression in an underwater setting leaves.... nothing
@@StarCenturion Oh wow thanks for telling me I did not know this was earlier footage. I’m pretty sure they did find remains kind of burnt onto the wreckage they pulled up. But yeah really not much left either way, just instantly turned into atoms.
Actually in the arft section, there was a substance like paste that tested positive for human DNA. Just think that in. 2 milliseconds 5 human beings impolded into a can of tomato paste 4kms under the ocean, which is frightening to even think of.
But can anyone explain to a layperson like myself - is the hull delamination a result of the implosion, or a cause of the implosion, and how can we be certain? If this sounds at all sceptical, it's not intended that way - genuinely wanting to understand, have no preconceptions.
The hull was cured in several sessions. If there is evidence of "rubbing" between the sections this must be the result of multiple pressure cycles. Also data from the built in real time monitoring system indicated signs of delamination sessions before the implosion.
@@BartSliggers Concise and helpful - thanks for the reply, appreciated.
@@gharqadmy best guess of the “popping” sounds others had heard while on board the vessel was probably the sound of delaminating between the layers?!
It's all speculation. At the end of the day, some people played for keeps with a plastic submarine and lost.
I would guess it is the cause.
A thick shell und external pressure like this is likely to fail du to to high inter laminar shear stresses (between the layers where it’s basically only „glue“ (we are talking here about strengths way below 100mpa). This could also be promoted by curing in multiple cycles(necessary because of the enormous thick of the part)
1) olds to high layers separate(delaminating)
2) now the structure consists of several thin layers instead of of one thick one which means reduced strength and stiffness
3)pressure hull probably buckled at an area of delamination and imploded
All just spekulative
Stockton was a terrible person
Those fools that signed DEATH WAIVERS and rode it wasnt the brightest..😊
“Dive *80* event.” Eighty dives? I wonder what depth those were to? I’d figure this would work if it was used for a fixed number of dives as a consumable. But that’s quite a lot of cycles, esp.given it’s wound so thick over an internal mandrel.
I do know they did re-do the hull at one point and it was out of action for a while as they rebuilt it.
Many of them were failures. IIRC, 13 were very deep dives.
Stockton's disregard for safety and regulations is not surprising as it is the battle cry for the billionaire class. Musk does what he wants and in most cases governments are afraid to do anything to stop them as they risk alienating the billionaire class and that could doom a parties chance of winning. If you ask me there isn't a dimes worth of difference between Stockton Rush and Elon Musk!
And lots of rich fools made him richer😅😂
The difference is that Musk has the money and had the cache to attract top talent that were able to do things safely.
He's a garbage person, but at least his companies are solid organizations (excluding when he gets too involved, e.g. Cybertruck or when he is just scamming, e.g. the Boring company and all the Hyperloop nonsense).
Thanks for that inane comment.
@@philiplangford9434 OK, and thanks for trolling along! You are a troll, right?
I would rather take my chances with musk, than with boeing...
What problems has boeing had? And with all the time and taxpayers money that has been shoveled onto scheiss pile of canceled projects. Usually canceled around the time it was to roll out into production.
Musk actually has some safety obviously. Since so many boosters have landed with no problems.
Then there is a federal apparatus that left us unable to get to the only space station around this planet. And we had to buy rides from people the same federal apparatus claims is our enemy.
Musk is trying to get to space. Not just to try and get rich along with squeezing the taxpayers.
Oceangate: The gift that keeps on giving.
There was Watergate, now there's oceangate.
Am I just colorblind or are those in 1:17 blood spatter? if so then that's deeply disturbing.
It isn’t. You’re looking at a mangled oxygen tank and the coloration is likely steel primer where layers of paint were scraped off. Blood would have washed away very quickly by ocean currents.
rust. do you think blood splatter (organic material) would last that long underwater?
@@soccerguy2433Could be rust, but I don’t think it’d rust that fast… unless it was rusted prior to the implosion.
@MigglesworthThe violence of the implosion would have been more than sufficient to remove any protective coating from metal. We’re talking about several days submersion in salt water. It’s surface rust.
@MigglesworthRoughly a week, the implosion was on 2023-06-18, and the video was taken 2023-06-25. Depending on the conditions you can get severe discoloration of steel in under an hour submerged in saltwater. Without even knowing the composition of the metal, it doesn't make sense to guess everything else that effects corrosion rates.
Also the glue used to attach tge rings had a metal component that would break down in salt water
So anybody who took the trip can consider themselves a very lucky very rich person.
Well thats.ingenuinity, eureka ! Glue.
“Who is more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?” - Obi-Wan Kenobi. This entire (criminal) enterprise was foolishness on its face, but just the like the pandemic, most humans have a tendency towards being willingly misled, and in both cases it cost people their lives.
Stockton Rush would be facing prison time if he hadn't been on board.
That’s what I was wondering about, what would have been the outcome for him had he lived.
What crime would that be, in your view? And who would have jurisdiction? They were in international waters.
@@jshepard152 After watching quite a bit of the testimony in this inquiry, Rush was clearly negligent when it came to safety, long before the fatal dive ever took place.
I have no idea what this means. Anyone here saying otherwise is either an expert (which I doubt) or has no idea what they’re talking about.
flaws in the carbon fibre schitt show ?
Arguing about whether there were voids or not, proper curing of layers , changes in thickness, or other issues misses the point; the application of carbon fiber materials for manned deep sea missions is foolish. Foolish.
They were, however, very successfully used in a large unmanned deep sea submersible, the AUSS.
@@bills6093 The key word being "unmanned." Anyone using CF for multi-use, man-rated submersibles is a fool.
@@DesertPackrat not really
You can do it but you need people who understand it and a proper development budget
Ps most of the „facts“ floating around cfrp in this comment sections are at best anywhere between false and halfway true
if only as much resources and time were spent looking for missing kids.
This doesn’t look like results of implosion everyone was describing. Fairly big bits of shell destroyed in layers, with long cracks along the shape of the vessel, rather than more or less all layers bent inwards together, as sudden implosion would suggest.
It didn't decompress in the middle, it did so closer to the front of the sub
Stockton put it best. Safety is just a waste of time.
😢😢😢😢😢
With all the recordings from a to z and company recording everything why is there no recording of them getting into the sub and getting locked in.Certainly they would have recorded every single minute detail for future analysis. i.e. what we did right or wrong but for sure they would have recorded.Were these people really in this sub to begin with ? All 5 of them were very influential people in the world.
The one teenager was not influential. You are telling me you can keep a teenager from telling people on social media that you are alive and well? Not happening.
they moved in next door to elvis and michael jackson
@@StardewStartupConspiracy theorists make up conspiracy theories, that's what they do, and they don't care if they use the unfortunate deaths of others to get their kicks.
Stockton Crush
The gaming controller should've been a red flag!
It's all speculation. At the end of the day, some people played for keeps with a plastic submarine and lost.
were they vaxxed
@themidnightchoir bro i was joking 😭😭😭
@themidnightchoir Still got the 'get vaccinated' posters up in your basement I guess.
@themidnightchoirlooks like you're the only one triggered here
lol
All the people that got vaxxed are regretting it now 😂😂😂
Why didn't Trump try to stop this?
It's like he doesn't even care.
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