Comparing The Drummers of Slipknot (Joey vs Jay vs Eloy)
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Comparing The Drummers of Slipknot
The band Slipknot has been through 3 incredible drummers...Joey Jordison, Jay Weinberg, and Eloy Casagrande. All 3 drummers are incredible in their own rights. They all 3 brought a different energy to the band Slipknot and the drumming in their music. So in this video we will be looking at Slipknot's drummers as they perform "People=". What are the similarities? The Differences? Looking at all 3 will allow us to appreciate each individual drummer and what they brought to the band Slipknot.
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I loved this, I'm a beginning drummer and Slipknot's always been my favorite band so I've always looked up to Joey and always dreamed of meeting him someday but unfortunately, I can't now (R.I.P) I've always been upset about his death, and I just went to my 1st concert 2 week ago and it was Slipknot 25th anniversary concert in NJ, and Eloy and just Slipknot in general killed it and I love watching Jay Weinberg's drum cam videos on RUclips, so all 3 of them are special to me in some way, so this video was great!
In this video the audio is better: ruclips.net/video/0e8bId4V75E/видео.html
If you wanna play with slipknot you have to have a Y at the end of your name.
i think you are good coach
I generally believe that even though all the drummers know how to play drums, you are only making this as clickbait as if we don't know who was the best.SSHAME SHAME SHAMEEE
Joey: finesse and creativity
Jay: chaos and energy
Eloy: brutality and precision
I think Joey takes energy and Jay takes the finesse
Can you imagine Captain Planeting all three into one super drummer? 🤯🤯
Joey: finesse and creativity
Jay: chaos and energy
Eloy: finesse, creativity, brutality, precision, chaos and energy
Slipknot nunca teve um baterista fraco.
@@danilomladenovic9314 Joey def had the energy.
The thing with joeys playing is…. He seems totally unbothered. It’s like he knows he’s exactly where he is supposed to be and why. RIP my dude 🤟🏻
Agree. He just (apparently from what you can look up) came with a lot of his own inner demons. And that's hard for a band to get through.
Yeah wtf he looks so calm but at the same time, he's also the one that headbangs the hardest. Jay and Eloy usually just bops their head. (not that there's wrong with that)
@@azuazudesuI swear to God the first time I saw the Disasterpiece DVD I was like 15, and I said "that's the calmest drummer I've ever seen." I thought he was just wearing face paint. 😂😂😂 I was new to Slipknot. I knew they wore masks, but I thought there was no way a drummer could play in a mask. Me and my brother in law and sister had a good laugh about it at the time. 😂😂
The drummer for Trivium is the same way. Looks almost bored haha
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Joey changed the game, Jay held the torch, Eloy is carrying the torch forward.
Accurate as fuck
Even with the low quality audio you can still hear how clean Eloy is. Epic
ELOY hits hard and I feel hes making it his own. He threw in that sweet triplet pulse that gave me stank face. Jay is exactly the type of drummer you need right after replacing someone so unique. He's solid as hell!
Yea, they all brought something so unique
I liked Jays vibe but I feel like he wasn’t good for the band when playing live
@@zac7258 Yeah, a good writer (considering a few really groovy and interesting parts) but his tempo is floaty. The man gets carried away with adrenaline and it leads to getting sloppy - when you can't keep up with the speed you've set for yourself.
@@sultankosmitov6293honestly, that was the same with Joey.
@@raxr5705 Joey made this band. It's the same situation Lars's in - you can forgive a lot for his influence. But generally speaking, I can't agree. Joey sped up his parts live sometimes but still played more consistently than Jay. Less sloppy on the double bass too.
When Joey got fired I stopped listening to Slipknot and only a few months ago I started to listen to some of their "new" music. Anyway, I'm not a drummer and far away from being an expert, so for me, it's not just about who's more technical or faster, it's about what the music makes me feel. The energy, the desire to spend hours and hours listening to the same song on loop because listening to it once isn't enough. It's about connecting with the music, and that's what made me fall in love with Joey. I had never paid much attention to metal, much less focusing only on the drums, until I heard Joey playing. And suddenly I found myself watching his drum cams again and again, because even after watching over and over I am still impressed by how incredible and creative this guy was. And before, I would never have imagined that watching a show through the camera focused on the drummer could be so entertaining. And when I found out that he wrote many of the songs too, damn, yes I fell in love. 😅I love people that are passionate about the things they do, and I could feel the love he had for his music. So, yeah. I appreciate the talent of Jay and Eloy (I'm Brazilian too btw), and how they are honoring Joey, by being respectful and continuing his legacy. They are amazing drummers, but for me Joey will always be #1. Rest in peace Joey.🖤
Reading that first line, I had the same experience. I didn't like that new album at first, but over the years I came to like Jay's style. Too bad the was kicked out.
that snare in the joey clip is so damn violent just hits different
Agree, he laid that pocket a certain way with this band
THAT was thee OCDP Black Serpentine snare: 7x12 30 ply maple shell
with Remo Ambassadors (later Brass with Controlled Sound X) 👌🏼🤓💯
His sticks were pretty heavy too at the time
@@clutchdaddy8108 Yessir! Especially those aluminum AHEAD signatures. 🤘🏼💀
It's for sure a sample/sample blend considering Colin Richardson mixed the Disasterpieces album, which is also why I think is why it's easily their best sounding live album
Eloy is technically speaking the best and it’s not even close but Joey just wrote such great parts.
Whoosh
I agree. If theres one thing Joey was superior at, thats his foot speed, but even then it was inconsistent.
Still, like You said, there is no denying he wrote/played some of the catchiest/influential drum parts in metal history, which makes him a legend no matter what.
@@bigmonk802eloy cant play a blast beat? did you watch the video on mute?
@@bigmonk802 Slipknot got big because of Ozzfest. Most people in the audience don't notice "technical mastery", only the 5 to 10 percent of the audience that might be nerds. Height has nothing to do with how hard or soft someone hits. That's all about technique.
The crowd feeds off the most basic thing they can relate to: the vibe and the vocals.
And let's be honest, the masks and jumpsuits had more than a little bit to do with their appeal.
All three drummers are awesome, it's not a contest.
True Joey and Paul wrote most of there stuff I'm a og slipknot fan since 99 Joey is the man I hate the comparisons that's just me
I cannot wait for a comparison between songs written by Joey, Jay and Eloy
Gonna have to wait for that one haha!
I genuinely think Jay didn't write any song. That was one of the gripes of Jim Root with the new members during the recording sessions of The End, So Far. And in Vol.5 most parts and some full songs were already written by Joey. Raealistically after Paul's death and the split with Joey Jim and Mick stood up to write along with Corey most of the material. And in fact (no rankings here) you can feel the difference in mood, tone and sound affiliation between the old material and the new material. Joey and Paul were a killer combo at writing.
I hope Eloy will arrive at writing something in full at some point, but I think Jay genuinely lost that train.
@@or1on89 I think Jay wrote the drum parts on WANYK
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@@justinkidder6872 Exactly he’s no 1 for a reason
Joey to me will always be the greatest Slipknot drummer. His speed and precision and creativity carried the band to what they are today. Joey is also in that class of effortless drummers. There are so few of them. Drummers that create a sound and do it, and when you see them, it's like they could do this all one handed (Think Mike Portnoy). He is #1.
Jay came in and though he's a bit chaotic, carried the energy that Joey did on Stage, and most importantly the incredible live energy Slipknot had. Jay is a spectacular drummer, and just because he may be slightly below these 2 on the god scale, he's still other worldly.
Eloy is probably the most technical, and gifted drummer of all of them. I wish Eloy was the guy that came in when Jay did when the band still wanted to play with that speed and raw energy in live shows. It seems obvious to me though that a change was made when the band chose to move on from Jay and bring in Eloy. Live shows should always tick up in tempo, but I've analyzed dozens of songs out on RUclips, and they tick down a few seconds from album on every song they play (this show in particular was almost painful and much slower than album speed.. Most songs by 5 to 10 seconds at end). I am curious to see an album created with Eloy though.
All great points. I honestly think we need to just give them time. I said the same with Josh Freese when he came into the FooFighters. He's one of the most in demand hired guns out there and some were talking about him no nailing the vibe of the FF. But given time, he's sunk in fantastically.grwat discussion points here!
@@StephenTaylorDrums I fully agree here too. I think my biggest gripe to this point in the Eloy era, is that you went out and bought the McLaren F1 of Drummers, and to this point you've only driven it around your neighborhood stop sign to stop sign.... I did a song specific time analysis on the Sick New World 2024 Psychosocial video here on youtube in the comments section. The song with Joey in 2009 was 15 seconds ahead by the start of the breakdown at the end of the guitar solo. That's just... For a drummer like Eloy, that's purposeful.
Live shows don't ALWAYS need to be played faster. No one ever agreed to an immutable law like that. These guys are in their 50s and also the biggest metal band on the planet after Metallica. Maybe they made the deliberate choice to slow things a bit to get more mileage out of their tires
@@user-tf4ho2uo1e It's obviously not an immutable law, and obviously not much more than my opinion. I am a musician... eh... I guess not really. I spent years as a last minute fill-in singer, grew up playing Jazz Saxophone and understand the guitar has 6 strings, and I can play a large number of songs only knowing 4 chords (if only I could figure out strumming patterns). But one thing I've always had and had better than most is an ear. I can hear when you are offbeat, out of tune, whatever. Live music played at normal or slightly slower tempo is boring. I know my opinion is worthless, and that's fine, and in a lot of ways Joey was playing too fast, but there has to be a happy medium. An incredibly talented group like Slipknot should be able to find it. Of course.. why bother for a moron like me I guess.
Joey was what I loved about Slipknot. The drumming off their breakout album hooked me.
I didn't fell in love with Slipknot, I fell in love with Joey back in the day...and it took me many years and All Hope Is Gone to understand that: the writing, the playing, the energy, the absence of click tracks and just pure chaos, the abscence of click tracks. Then something changes, All Hope Is Gone was really a cold shower..something was off. I couldn't understand what happened to Joey...and then he was so sick that he couldn't play anymore for a while. If only we knew in time and the world was not such a fucked up place...I wonder if he was still alive if he could finally mend with the band. I, for myself, can't still forgive them fully. The lyrics of Pulse of The Maggots and Til We Die (two anthems for the fans from Joey and Paul) always echo in my head, Slipknot really felt like a family before Paul's death...and Joey was the golden child of the family. I miss him so much, he made me notice drums in music...he brought extreme drums to the mainstream.
Rest in Power, True #1.
P.s. before people start shitposting: I have all respect for Jay and Eloy yes, is the drummer of his generation for extreme metal. But there is something that you can substitute when life is dark and music clicks with you and comes in a swipe and saves you. That's what Joey did for me, and Joey's and Paul's songs really really spoke to me within my soul during my darkest years. I will always have to honour and tribute my drum hero. Peace.
beat me to it, signing under every letter and word... exactly what i feel... i would probably never even get into Slipknot, if not for drum tracks... the way Joey created them (and other parts of songs too, how much did he write... A LOT... even after he was kicked you could still hear his works being implemented... such unique entities like Joey are born once in a hundred years... The guy who made us all want play drums... isn't it the greatest glory and achievement... he made it look so cool, so easy, and so desirable
I will write down each and every one of your words Brother. Slipknot was with Paul and Joey, now it's a good company.
Well said man. Absolutely agree!
Well said
Wonderful words you wrote there. Joey was truly One Of A Kind.
Personally, I prefer Eloy's playing every time over Joey and Jay. They're good drummers but Eloy is just such a more polished, consistent drummer. His internal metronome...intensity...technique...it all adds up which is why we never see/hear him modify slight details of songs to make them a little easier live. In fact he's been allowed to add his own style of playing already which has made them a little more challenging to play while still serving the song and sounding incredible.
tracks considering joey has stated thats hes not the best at freestyle drumming
Blasphemy
I agree with you, but Joey will always be my hero. Everything he represents is so inspiring to me.
Eloy really offers much more security to the band. He has all the elements very evolved. While Jordi was just fast and creative. Those who analyze emotionally prefer the roots, Eloy is better.
Eloy's ghost notes are absolutely insane
Joey makes it look easy. Jay makes me feel stressed out. Eloy makes me feel like I just did an intense workout.
There’s a reason they play the old songs the most
All 3 are great, but Slipknot lost its soul When they lost Joey, may he rest in peace.
Joeys passing is the only time I felt a celebrity passing aside from Chester Bennington. Dude was such a monster.
Joey Jordison replaced the drummer of Satyricon on their US tour decades ago. Any serious person will acknowledge the level of talent required to accomplish this feat.
Absolutely. But truth be told, he was sloppy.
I respect Jay and Eloy. They are great drummers..
But Joey was, is and forever will be Slipknot. I grew up listening/watching him. He’s the reason I started playing drums 22 years ago.. He was my idol. He didn’t deserve how he was treated by the band.
I love and miss Joey dearly. RIP brother.
I love how Joey seems to "groove". Jay & Eloy feel like they are "attacking". Nice upload. Peace
I think Eloy has better groove than Jay tho
Even in their new recording i always though that Jay lacked that sense of rhythm that Joey had
I'll wait to see Eloy drum parts. With sepultura he was super groovie tho. That latin flavor is all there
Jay playing feels that you are watching it in 2x
RIP joey
Sorely missed
before watching the video I know Joey incorporated metal with marching band snare strokes. Never seen anything like it. Such a unique driving force. I'm glad I got to see Joey play live when I was like 12.
Oh, for sure. People really don't understand how much he changed the game
He was actually in a marching band in high school
You got a guy who basically formed his own style while taking in influences for his time and made it big in his own right.
A prodigy who learned with his famous father and is a beast in his own right.
And another one who’s also a prodigy that just rose up and is very clean.
They all bring something with their drumming and they deliver.
Quem acabou de surgir???? Eloy em 2011 ja tocava no Rock in Rio
Entrou pro sepultura e só saiu porque o Slipknot o chamou. Ele nao apareceu agora e sim você o conheceu agora.
I think we should wait till Eloy writes drum parts so we can compare the feel of all 3.
Well... Eloy wrote a lot of drum parts to Sepultura... We can tell that he's very creative too
O trabalho do Sepultura é mais complexo do que o Slipknot
@@nilo9801he made sepultura kinda a prog thrash band
Sepultura.
Casagrande and Hynasz.
(There's a video where they open up for AAL and Gartska hears Eloy play a groove and moves up to the stage to see wtf he is actually doing)
Eloy's cover of Lady Gaga's Telephone.
There's sooo much out there for you to see what Eloy is truly capable of.
All y'all see and hear is "hrrr drrrr Joey!!!".
As a drummer, it's miserable to know how little y'all metal drumming fans know about the instrument and the musicians who play them.
Eloy is as good a metal drummer as the very best metal drummers that have ever sat on the throne. Joey was a great metal drummer. But not the best. Gartska is better. Duplantier is better. Lang is better. And Eloy is as good as any of them
On a scale of proficiency/skill? Eloy is playing way below his abilities with Slipknot.
@@myprivateyoutube1440 ok thank you
Pissed off that there's so much corn, or pissed off because there's so much Korn? 😂😂😂
Hahahha!
The main difference is joey and Jay were small guys and the played like it. Eloy hits those drums like they slapped his mother
I love them all in their own way, but I'll always hold Joey in a special place in my heart, especially going back and watching 90s Slipknot videos, Joey the 🐐
OG is the OG
Joey used rudiments a lot that go unnoticed like in the build up he goes from a single stroke roll to a double stroke roll on the snare ( and the song purity is a paradiddle between the right foot and left hand ) and it looked like jay only played singles. couldn't really see eloy but he also sounded like singles. now that being said i'm excited to hear new music with eloy driving the slipknot bus bringing his latin percussion style into the mix as well which he has already in that first show the 3 snare part of psychosocial sounds amazing and way different than before.
What Joey is playing is all in all so complex
It really is. He changed the entire game
Love this comparison! All 3 are legends. Would love for you to do a comparison of Suicidal Tendencies' drummers.
"Better" is subjective. Slipknot never had a bad drummer. They were and are all great in their own way. While I think Eloy is a machine, and one the best metal drummers today, personally, I loved Joeys playing style more than anyone else's. His technique, his groove, the head-banging, his style. He had an unmatched "elasticity" in his playing that made love watching and hearing him play. He will always be #1 in my book.
When you reach a level of greatness so high that most musicians will not achieve it comes down to personal preference. All 3 are amazing pure masters of the drums. For me Joey will always have an edge for the fact that I remember buying self titled the day it came out and was blown away.
Here is my take:
Joey jordison is PERFECT for the first album as it brings out his unique style, flare, creativity, finesse, and his speed and enegy is unmatched in my opinion.
Jay weinberg is PERFECT for the we are not your kind album because... im not sure how to explain it but the way he plays unsainted is so satisfying...his drum fills just hit all the right spots for that album.
Eloy is PERFECT for iowa album as he really gets to express his speed, power and precision and finesse and creativity. Idk how to explain it but its so satisfying how he just hits the drums and does all the drumfills to diasterpeice and people equal shirt, they're so precise with so much power, energy and flow and thrash that it makes you want to bang your head hard asf.
Eloy execute the technique with precision and power, pure perfection. But don't forget who wrote the drums 😉
Prime Joey will always be THE best drummer imo, not even close.
13:09 a crowdsurfer landed on top of him, i have footage just like that
Joey helped the band get to where they are and was super technical. Jay W is an amazing drummer and it’s in his blood his dad is highly revered. Of course Eloy just has it with his rhythm, technique and everything else. Every metal/hard rock drummer Wants be a monster and that what Eloy is. I do feel Eloy’s style was best suited for Sepultura but yea he takes the cake. He’s like Mike Tyson in his prime.
joey still the best in my opinion he created the best drums line in the history of heavy music ever
Agree! 👍!
Regardless of who you think is the best, the one thing that’s clear and consistent is Slipknot knows how to hire a good drummer, they know one when they see one and they haven’t disappointed.
They may have been the drummers but JJ was Slipknot
Thanks @StephenTaylorDrums I love your approach of 'comparing' and not 'judging' and 'racing'... I feel reassured in my views, this is how I look at it too.
Eloy is a freaking monster! All the drummers are amazing, but Eloy is boss!!! His power and precision is incredible!
the great thing about Joey,besides his playing is that he wrote lots of the most hardcore drum playing.The thing that got me into slipknot back then,was the insane drumming.
Great work and thanks for the video! Love the comparison with positivity and individual skills. Nostalgia with the pre-go pro Joey footage. You said it yourself during his part though " the OG right there"
Oh, man, he was slaying. It has been a while since I've sat and watched Joey. Totally changed the game for the better
Joey is classic. He's raw af, powerful and just nasty in the best way possible. He was born to play drums for Slipknot. He has a rawness about him. He did write all those original parts after all. He was key in forging the Slipknot sound.
Jay is a super solid drummer and can probably fill most anybody's shoes and kill it. He's super precise and comfortable playing even really extreme parts. And I respect tf out of that.
Eloy is a really well rounded drummer that has a combination of the relentless power that Joey had, and the precision that Jay had.
Jay had zero precision. That's why he's gone. He was sloppy and all over the place.
PRECISÃO DO JAY? 😅
tell me you know nothing about your ''idols'' without telling me
@@VulgrDisplayAt one point yes but he stepped it up and got it together and hell, what’s wrong with a little sloppiness. Even Joey sped it up and got a little hasty in his own right early on.
Either way, all 3 drummers killed it.
@@NWOWCW4Life1 'fraid not. He got a bit better around 2019, but he got sloppy again around 2022. Reportedly his lack of ability to keep tempo and sloppy double bass were reasons for his departure. And it's plain to see in this video here, too. Stephen is jumping through multiple hoops so he can compliment Jay.
Id say just for fun is to put them all back to back at the end so we have a real time comparison or segment each part of the song
One thing for sure Slipknot knows how to choose a fucking drummer 😭 All three are absolute machines
JJ is Eternal!!! the OG!!! Love him F.O.R.E.V.E.R.
RIP little Angel❤
Joey hands down! Both power and technique.
Joey: awesome creativity
Jay: incredible precision and speed
Eloy: critical hits
The concept of "pocket drumming" is harder to apply in the genre. Buy Joey plays more "pocket" with less banging of cymbals and makes it look effortless to an extent. Jay makes it look harder, IMO.
if you watch joey's playing specifically compared to jay and eloy, you can really see the evolution to less body taxing movement. you can watch joey tense up for the faster blasts on his hands and then by the time we're watching jay 17 years later, it doesn't look as labored and stiff in those same parts. the techniques for speed evolved because of what joey did. Eloy brings the power joey had back, where jay brought the technique. not to say that either of them are better or worse, but that's where i see the difference. Joey was a product of the technique available at the time, Jay learned the better technique, but lost the power, and then Eloy comes in and just smashes it all while using those techniques.
Eloy has so much damn power behind every hit, Jay was great at emulating Joey’s playing and sound and Eloy does that as well but his power is absolutely insane.
The only thing that Jay lacked was the stamina to play the fast double bass parts. Now don’t get me wrong he does know how to do double bass very well but it’s obviously not at the same level as Joey and Eloy
The thing I've always loved about Joey's style was the almost unhinged, chaotic quality he had to his playing - especially live. It sounds like it could go off the rails at any moment but it never did. He was always in total control. Eloy has that same quality in spades but is a lot more precise. Jay is like the best of both worlds, really. I heard a lot of stuff about how he wasn't cutting it live and I just don't see it - the dude has always been a beast live. They traded one of the best drummers in the scene for probably the best drummer in the scene (which tells me their issues were likely interpersonal).
There was just that raw thrashy sound during the joey days, cant believe the cymbals and snare tuning could make such a huge of a difference. I think eloy’s kit is closer to the sound from the old slipknot days, gives me that raw vibe.
Eloy's snare has this immense, full crack, it's super satisfying.
Joey is the true original, he wrote the songs, he has crazy speed, lots of power, and very dynamic, unique and creative ideas he implements into his drumming. His power and technique is unmatched by jay, and his internal metronome is incredible.
Jay is a very good drummer, and deserved to be in slipknot, he’s crazy talented but all he does is focus on speed, brought up the tempo of songs live, made the band sound a little more rushed and sloppy, and it messed with Corey’s vocals,he plays too fast and not clean enough to back it up, while still having decent power. Minus points for tweaking songs on live sets to make them easier.
Eloy is the only person fit to be in slipknot as of right now, other than say like el estepario, he could fit right in. But Eloy is a fucking BEAST!. he plays everything live at album tempo, sometimes just a little faster, and plays super fast just like Joey and jay, but unlike jay, he can keep speed way up high, control it perfectly, and hit WAAAAAYYY HARDER. He reaches ABOVE HIS HEAD FOR MOST OF HIS SNARE AND CYMBAL HITS. The dude’s crazy, he’s everything Joey was for the band, with the addition of his own slightly ethnic groove. He’s already honoring joeys parts and making them even more difficult live, and he has such good groove and control as a drummer. Eloy is the best guy for the job.
Não vejo graça no estilo de Joey,já Jay é um estilo mais descolado tipo punk,mas o melhor mesmo é Eloy técnico,preciso,veloz e poderoso e o único que respeita o tempo, é o baterista perfeito pra qualquer banda
Thankful to have seen Joey and Jay. Eloy is a great addition.
I met Joey in Maine many many years ago. He was so small!! Dude must have been made out of energy.
It makes me really sad knowing before he passed he couldn't use his left leg. What a tragedy.
Finally someone who knows the definition of a comparison, and not a ranking. I just want to hear the different takes on the piece. I do miss Joey though, as I'm sure we all do. I'm glad I got to see him live, I'm glad I got to see Jay live, and I'm excited for when I get to see Eloy live, and I am so excited to see some pro shot live footage instead of phone cameras
They’re all different for sure. Joey was a metal head fast blast energetic dude! Jay brought some sick jazzy grooves that fit very well with new age slipknot and Eloy is a technical powerhouse! But man, there will never be another Joey
One thing I do know is that all three are light years ahead of me and I am not worthy to critique anything that they are doing.
Joey wrote the parts so it will always feel more natural when he plays it
Joey had the groove that Eloy and Jay lack. Eloy is technically better and hits the drums harder but that doesn't mean he's a better fit.
…it’s simple to me - Joey wrote ALL THE DRUM ARRANGEMENTS that put Slip on the map…the blueprint was just handed down from there.
I hope you make another video like this later if /when there's a new Slipknot record with drums composed by Eloy. Tons of people can play like Joey but what matters is what and how he composed the drums. In my opinion Vitek shaped Decapitated's success being such a good and creative drummer at such a young age.
Joey is the only one who’s not over-doing the cymbals’ volume which offers better sound dynamics and doesn’t drown the rest of the drums or band
That's literally all in the mix.....
The way Eloy fills the song and doesn't leave the details and energy out is superhuman, this guy definitely wasn't born naked like us, the doctor grabbed him by the foot and said "Look, it's a metronome".
A forma como Eloy preenche a musica e não deixa os detalhes e a energia de fora é sobrehumano, esse cara definitivamente não nasceu pelado como nós, o médico o agarrou pelo pé e disse "Olha é um metrônomo".
As a drummer myself , I would surely say Joey would have been absolutely proud of what Eloy has brought to the band if he was alive today as Joey definitely gets the credit for writing such incredible drum parts .Eloy just revitalized Slipknot onto a whole new level 🙏🏻👍🏻👊🏻
Love it Stephen! This is a celebration of drummers.
Yes!
No ranking here, but Eloy has brought new life to the band.
Eloy tem todas as habilidades em seu nível máximo
Joey was simply the best and I still get goosebumps watching play especially 2002 London.
To me Joey was irreplaceable. He was really special. Sure there are drummers who can handle his drumming but he brought an energy to that band that i dont think anyone will ever really match.
Joey's legacy, his lines, is a treasure, which should be, and is praised!!!....so much so that Eloy himself respects it a lot. However, in terms of performance, there is no debate, Eloy is complete and brings together so many qualities that I have never seen in another drummer in my life, the entire band became better, they moved up a level after joining Slipknot, fact!!! And detail; "For now" he's just playing, imagine the new compositions with Eloy. Anyone who has heard Sepultura's "Machine Messiah" and "Quadra" will have an idea of what could be coming from Slipknot.
I stopped listening to any newSlipknot songs after 2013 because of Joey’s departure. I followed him rather than Slipknot. I do enjoy drum cams from all 3 drummers. Joey looks natural, in his element. Jay and Eloy have filled the position greatly. Jay sounds are different and almost not powerful enough. Eloy is a powerhouse, an absolute beast who brought the life back into the band since Joey was booted. Rest easy #1 🖤
I'll rank them for you. Eloy first, Joey close in second, then about 10 miles away is Jay in 3rd. Not a slam against Jay, but rather saying simply how ABSURD the level of talent is with both Joey and Eloy.
I saw them live multiple times with each drummer. They're better now than ever. Saw them with Eloy at MSG just a few weeks ago, best show ever. Joey walked so Eloy could run.
All 3 are amazing but good points you make for all 3. Great video...🤘🤘🤘
cool vid my favorite was jay not for any reason there are all awesome just followed jays career more with bands he played for and love the connection to him playing with Bruce Springsteen
Eloy
Eloy plays and respects what Joey wrote, plain and simple. Jay was good and is a good drummer but he isnt Joey and kinda played the songs more his own way than how they were originally played.
I read Jay used drum triggers according to his drum tech. Not to mention Jay had slowly become sloppy during some EU shows.
@@EmmureMARIO64what's wrong with triggers? All bands mix their drums . The Jay hate is getting petty
@@Bryanpeacock33 there’s no Jay hate, I’m just saying during last year at some festivals, he had played a bit sloppy and fast.
@@EmmureMARIO64 I agree with his tempo was off but my question was "what's wrong with triggers?" You were throwing shade by saying he's uses triggers
@@Bryanpeacock33 oh because his former drum tech called him out for using triggers as he was struggling to keep up.
We all know joey is and was a legend. Eloy, I mean he's a freaking beast but jay tho. He's painfully underrated. I love him..
Nice to see Buckets the drummer make an appearance 16:45
joey makes it look totally effortless. joey is like Jimmy Hendirx for metal drumming
size also has a thing, Joey was 5’3, and had a basic physique, Eloy is jacked asf
for slipknot to get this drummer from the start they were so lucky
In term of ability, joey is 3rd, Jay 2nd, Ejoy 1st.
But energy? Joey 1st, Ejoy 2nd, Jay 3rd.
Metal Drumming is one of hardest genres to drum in, and requires such immense technique.
They’re all amazing in their own way. The all make the band sound unique.
Personally, I feel that Joey set the bar for many drummers afterwards. His speed, technical knowledge ,and energy are unmatched in that timeframe. Jay came from a total musical background and brought a different musical background to the band. I do question a bit on how much freedom he had with Clown being a major player in the group. Eloy was an obvious choice to replace Jay. There might have been things going on behind the scenes that nobody is speaking about. But, It will be interesting to see what new music will sound like with Eloy on the kit now. Should be interesting to see. But , Eloy has definitely been top notch from what I have seen. Much love to all.
Joey: Utterley unique and creative, there was nobody quite like him when he arrived on the scene. His drumming blew me away live and, as a young drummer myself back then, changed the way I think about drums. Try as I might, I still cannot even begin to approach his playing! Not a criticism, but I sometimes wished he was a little less chaotic and more heavy hitting. Relied on triggers to get that big sound live IMHO, 'cos their ain't no way he was smacking them that hard.
Jay: Did a terrific job, slightly harder hitting than Joey, which I preferred. Perhaps not quite as creative as Joey, but a true student of him. Without Joey, Jay would likely have been a different style of drummer. Probably a little too fast at times on the tempo side, but he was a decade or so younger.
Eloy: I always used to think it wasn't possible to play Slipknot AND consistently hit every note like your life depends on it. Eloy proved me wrong. The dude takes the crown from Lombardo in the "generates enough energy to power a small town" stakes, he's a freaking nuclear reactor! His pacing, groove and feel for the tempo is a breath of fresh air and more befitting of their maturity.
Of the three of them, Eloy floats my boat the most. There is just something so compelling about how aggressively, yet cleanly, he smacks those drums despite the complexity of the songs.
Eloy is killing it! I think he adds so much to the sound, like Joey did.
Joey’s technique and style has no equal. You are right the other drummers are a tribute to Joey.
All three drummers are incredible but it comes down to song writing. Joey wrote what the other two are covering. Plain and simple.
I think you touch on some awesome strengths of these 3 incredible drummers. I watched this video hoping for some more specifics I think. I'm a guitarist myself and definitely NOT a drummer. I've owned a drum set at one point and played it briefly, so I'd say I was an early beginner at best. I appreciate the drums and I think it would help me as a bedroom guitarist to have a proverbial red arrow pointed at some of these things. I would love to see a video going over maybe a few specific parts of maybe a few songs where you can specifically pinpoint some of their cool unique differences. What does it sound like when Joey plays "ahead of the beat" vs Eloy's "behind the beat"? for example. By the time I saw Jay and then Eloy play the intro of the song, I didn't remember how Joey played it. Once there's more drum cam footage of Eloy out there it would be an awesome nerd treat. Anyway, this video was great and thanks for sharing!
Playing "ahead of the beat" means you're slightly rushing, you're playing a fraction of a note before the beats. That can give what is being played (the drum lines, in this case) a bit of a frenetic feeling, kinda pushing everything a bit. Joey pretty much _always_ played pretty consistently ahead of the beat (and usually at a faster tempo than album tempo) live, up to the point where he got sick.
Playing behind the beat is the opposite, means you're dragging and hitting a fraction of a note after the beats. That can give whatever is being played more of a groovy, floaty feel, because it kinda "extends" the transients - funk drumming is very often played quite a bit behind the beat. Eloy in general _tends_ to play behind the beat (even though he can play on the beat when things get more complicated and he needs a more straight-forward feel), and he also been playing the Slipknot songs at album tempo or very close - that probably been helping the band play tighter overall than they ever have.
So glad Slipknot now has Eloy but for me you can’t beat the OG !! R.I.P. #1
I dont know Joey was and is the prodigy of slipknot... slipknot never was the same anymore after he got kicked out of the band. all records after him sounds not like slipknot. i mean i still like some songs of the 2 other records like redflag , orphan , dying song , hive mind. anyway joey is in my view the prodigy of the whole band.
so in my opinion i think the hardest way was for Jay , first he came in when they kicked joey.. so a really ruff start and i think it took a long while until he was accepted of the most fans. what i feel is when it comes to listen jay live is what i had the feeling he played the drums for himself and not for the band to run with. i can be wrong but its what i felt.
i appreciate the energy jay brought into the band and created this 2 records with them. so about Eloy i think he fits in.. playing perfectly the drums for the band. comes very close to joey performance. its even more on point i think BUT anyway Eloy just have to play the records who joey and jay made... so i wait for a new slipknot record to compare his creativity to the other 2. iam happy what i saw the original slipknot back in 2009 live the last time. i was and will be forever team joey
Joey wrote the songs. End of story.
Agree! no (1)one can replace the #1 👌