POE 3.25 Early Town Setup Guide - Kingsmarch - Avoid Being Blocked Or Time Gated - Path Of Exile
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
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There's big unskippable delays in the new league mechanic. You want to start it earlier rather than later, even though the main payoff will be delayed.
Think of building Kingsmarch as like setting up the Delve mines - it's an investment of time that will be repaid in loot later.
This largely replaces earlier advice from my day 1 findings video. More to come on loot, players are still exploring that.
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"Remember, they may be humans, but they are still resources." -- Sir Gog
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If the items you get from shipping are unusable, throw them in the disenchanter. They are usually well-rolled. so worth a lot of dust.
Does dust scale off of tier of mods then? Or what makes a good dust item?
@@tanklike4413 I am not sure, but I think it's a combination of item level and mod tier. You can see how much an item is worth by putting it in the enchanting window, which you can use to quickly value items.
@@Joulespersecond later you unlock quality mattering too.
90% of my gear is from shipping:)
for the wages, i want to add that people with mapping talents have radically higher wages than other talents so anyone with a secondary talent in mapping can have wages much higher than usual for their main talent.
The Wages do not depend on the combination of jobs, I think. They depend on the highest Wage category job a worker can do. Farming/Mining have relativly low wages in general. Disenchanting definitly higher category and Mapping highest category.
I'm sure that worker wages are based entirely on their most expensive skill, not the sum of their skills. I have some workers who are too cheap for it to be the sum, for example a miner 3/farmer 2 that costs 24g/hour, I have two other workers that are just miner 3 and cost 25 and 31, and two workers that are just farmer 2 that cost 30 and 36.
Exactly! I have a smelter/miner at lvl 6 who gets paid 103g/h as well as a solo smelter lvl 6 who gets 124g/h and a solo miner lvl 6 who gets 104g/h. Not only does this show variability in wages for the same job, but it also makes clear that you only ever pay for one skill at a time.
The main thing holding me back is gold so my plan is to max mining first, and only get other upgrades if necessary. Last mining upgrade gives gold equal to ore mined, I think it will be about a 10% increase in gold per map which will help a lot with other remaining upgrades and rerolling / hiring employees.
Same here, got mining maxed earlier so now I can throw gold at rerolls for better people and speed up the whole rest of the town by virtue of the better workers everywhere
Not sure if the wages part is true. I have one worker with just Farming 5 (Wage 175g/h) and one worker with both Farming 5 and Mining 4 (Wage 151g/h). Wage rolls seem to be random in a specific range for the most expensive Rank/Skill the worker has.
I just made sure there was always at least 1 person working on everything I had access to, upgrading whenever I had enough gold to upgrade and not bankrupt my town and I’ve never been locked by resources yet
I've been blocked on resources a bunch, most seriously when I didn't get Verisium until the ~65th map, which was just bad RNG.
@@sirgog Holy bleep, I found some in my second one (and promptly lost all of it because maxing out that bar is no joke)
Thing to be noted: smelters and miners will default to other resources when the assigned resource is no longer available. So i just assign them all to the rarest resource
@@Osiris57 the problem with that is, if you have orichalcum for days, you're never gonna get to the crimson iron.
If your workers are faster than you finding new resources, this is moot of course.
I stand corrected. All of my ports now want crimson iron and corn. Damn corn. I’m getting fisted by corn.
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The harbour may have some timegating to it, the ports request certain resources, and these seem to be a sort of tracker of how well you get along with them. the more you complete the higher the demand and the more stuff they seem to give you per shipment too. It's not entirely confirmed if that last part is true, but if it is, that's a time gate because you can only send out so many shipments to complete their demands and 'tier' them up.
Could be a little more compact the video but i learned some things :)
Tldr: Frist half what to build first + resources explained.
Second half : cut costs Workers and some general tips
also i want to add other tips from other streamer:
- dont add more than 1 worker for each type of ore for mining and smelting. just keep farm / save the gold and invest in the buildings first.
personal thoughts:
- dont touch map devise or mappers.
- shipping is okay. esp when you got plents of some sort. just fill the favorites of the customers. = some tiny gains. here and there a 10c item.
- runesmith seem useless for me. havnt crafted 1 thing.
- gabling items could be a thing when your in maps and dont have good trade gear (this may vary alot)
- keep always some backup items at the disenchanter so he has something to do. but idk yet how much the dust is needed in future
little tip the dust has huge diminishing returns. so at first only use like 50-200dust for a shipment.
numbers are not correct but if you go from 200 to 400 dust you might only get 10-20% more loot although you double the dust cost at that point.
the higher you go the more inefficient it becomes so until very late and juicy shipments dont worry about putting in too much dust
man I am having a BLAST! what a great league ❤
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Shipping ores during the campaign was really good to me: multiple 4 links at act 3, 5 links at end of act 5.
As someone who can't play more than a couple hours a day, I'm ok with a 40 minute wait to get keveling gear
Dust had deminishing return, ive trade 100 dust and 1000 dust on the same shipment, and the reward value was lower past a point. Sometime 50 dust will be the perfect ammout to send to add and will add like 10k value, you add 1 more and it will go down to like an 8k buff, so dust ship is weird.
Plant are currency metels are equment dust is gems, in general. Follow the requests will upgrade friendship giving you better trade.
Dust scales logarithmically. 50 gives about half the benefit of 2500, and about 1/3 the benefit of 125000. Even one dust is huge.
I'm glad I started shipping early... got a mirror shard from like the 5th ship I sent out :P
The problem is getting tier 10 mappers. It can easily take half a mill gold before you roll one. If it dies, thats another half milly down the drain.
You earned a lot of respect for me today over your labor positions.
Not sure if I missed the point in the video.. but if I could do it all over again.. I would make my main focus upgrading the town hall.. only upgrade the other areas as I needed the resources..
I put a little too much focus on getting shipping online and pumping resources into that as I leveled up and thru early maps.. it probably only net me 2 dozen low tier runes and a handful of gumball currency..
I also pumped too much gold into getting the current highest rank workers at each town level..
Eh, I got my first divine from shipping. Plus, figuring out how it all works is fun
Before even watching the video:
Guys do not smelt everything into ingots right away. It's very annoying to collect like your 1st 1000 Verisium, smelt it over night and then notice the shipping and recruiter upgrades at least specifically require the fucking ore. I wish ore only upgraded the smelter itself as a step towards getting other upgrades with ingots so you wouldn't be punished by having efficient workers :D
yea wish there was a reserve slider at the smelter to make certain amount of a type of ore off limits. for example tell it to keep 400 of each ore or something. but Im guessing we won't get that since these upgrades are one time things
I'm one of those who is seeing Verisium semi often in white maps. I'm only up to T3 so far and found 3 Verisium nodes
That is quite lucky. I didn't start finding verisium till red maps, hmm maybe its based on where you're at with upgrades
@@victorsoto4821 Maybe. I'll have to check my upgrades again after work but I'm 99.9% sure my mining isn't upgraded enough to actually mine the stuff so it's sitting at 0/###. May be my luck actually because my drops have been better than usual so far.
OGs know to grab a beer.
My smelters went crazy and threw every last bit of ore into the forge. Now I can't upgrade my town until I find more verisium... o.O
yeah I wish there was a way to set a minimum amount of ore or to trade bars for ore
Bro your thought on how to treat NPCs in a video game is what's wrong with cooperate America today hehe
this league is the epitome of "bigger number better person"
I remember from the Q&A they said Thaumaturgic dust acts as a multiplier for rewards.
i generally do a half-second or less look at every rare and anything worth pausing on for a moment is worth a 5c quad tab. probably made 100c a day on this and kept the disenchanter runner happily with whatever doesn't sell.
i've also grown fond of sending about 200 of everything except verisium with every shipment. it doesn't feel too impactful to my frequency to fulfill full orders (you can do those at the same time of course) but it definitely produces larger return shipments. is it technically efficient? dunno. but it makes things feel a bit better.
Thanks for telling me that the in-game npc is in fact an npc i didn't know that. 😅
Im thinking aside from farmers and Sailors you want people that have Smelting, Mining and Porbably disenchanting expertise, this is because often times you'll run into a situation where you are only mining 2 or 3 types of ore, you finish those and then they will sit idly still charging you, provided miners are the lower wages its still a saving to then move those to smelting instead when all of the ore has been mined and you now need to turn it into bars asap since shipping ores is literally spending 5 times the resources for the same reward, once the smelting is done you can switch the workers back to mining, its very micro management but gold is very valuable and I found out I was paying 7k wages for people that werent doing anything. I also decided to fire the map runners for now since all they do is die in white maps and bleed my gold dry.
A thing i did at the start, until i unlocked the latest metal, is to upgrade everything until it requires no more ores, only bars, so i don't need to let the ores there accumulated and i can process them instantly, also, ship rare items even tho for me are bad, seem to disenchant very good on Rog, so whatever the ship brigns, it's for Rog, maybe it's wh3re he gets hia items to gamble 😂
I hope there's a line in PoE 2 about how the original mayor of Kingsmarch was a real bastard who sent loads of people to their deaths all in the name of gold.
Ah yes, Mayor RFKatabasisWarden_Settlers
Wanna add a random map had a random sinkhole which led to the "dark knight" boss fight. Beating him will net you a ton of verisium you get to click on like 6 or 8 ore things after netted me around 1500 id say
If you rush town center upgrades, then each reroll will gradually increase in price, so be carefull
TY TY for doing this ....much needed
thaumatautgic dust seems to have big diminuishing return
sending 1/10 of amount of all other resource give same amount of value, 1 to1 give 150%, 1 to 10 gives 200%
Hello sir gog, great video
Have a nice day
When I checked difference between Rank 7, 8, 9 and 10 farmers it was about 30% per rank, not 50%.
i dont thin i woudl agree with rushing townhall upgrades. The rerolls cost sooo so much more once you upgrade it could really slow down your aquisition.
i think i would rather rush mine upgrade so that every ore you find also gives you gold
I did mining first for upgrading and the. Shipping second. Doesn't really matter since i don't have enough gold income to keep up all high level ppl.
where the reddit link mr gog
oh OOPS, www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/1edsjwg/some_notes_about_kingsmarch/?share_id=xbgDl4dh0Drwn0wQLU5zZ (and will edit into description too)
seems like the plan is a substantial time wasted where you could have had miners already massing iron and orichalcum which lets you stock up everything earlier.
As far as I can tell, there's no cap to your storage of resources, refined or otherwise.
Sure, having bad workers early on is going to be a pain, but you can't really evade that. Waiting till act 9 you still end up hiring bad workers because just getting the ore to get to level 4 town hall requires workers, and now you're actually waiting for them to mine.
In essence, it saves you maybe a couple thousand gold in wages but by the time you hit act 9 even 10k gold is a blip on the radar.
To me, expedient harvesting of ore and a stockpile of resources are more valuable than gold. Especially if you aren't hitting act 10 in the first day, which most of the players wouldn't. On the other hand, going through the slower but steady progression both introduces you to shipping and lets you set up a small stockpile that you can work with.
So, set up everything as soon as you can, get the first three workers mining crimson iron, get 500 of that, by this point you have orichalcum deposits marked, get the three workers on it, upgrade town hall, get farming, get workers on farming.
Because orichalcum will run out and miners shift to lower value ores, you don't need workers on crimson iron, so max out your farming, then just farm gold and mark deposits until you can get smelter running. ignore the rune smithing station early on, you'll have no runes to work with before your shipping is really set up. As soon as you get your amber deposits you can start moving more miners into the camps, again, top down aproach.
The real goal is to fire your old workers eventually, but unless you farm low acts for gold which is in itself a terrible choice progression wise, you won't have enough gold to support level 4 or 5 workers anyway, so that will only really become an achievable goal beyond act 8
In essence, skipping progression in kingsmarch saves you maybe 10 minutes of game time and 10k gold through the acts, but actually going through it might get you an early build enabling unique from a shipment or the currency to buy gear that speeds up your progress through the acts.
So... we can build bots farm that will mindlessy run our easier maps 24h/day providing basic currency and stuff? :D Looking at the fact that in the past we got "automation" gems and enchantments on flask, the products of community from a certain forum inspires GGG :P.
Workers are based off the most expensive job, not the total sum.
Anyone knows what the "better reroll" for hiring workers does on lvl 11 town?
I think it would be more important to level the mine to max, as the extra gold is a lot.
DONT CLICK ON A SHIPMENT REWARD TOO FAST!
i was talking to tujen as a 500k value all crop shipment came back and immediately clicked on the rewards, and it was totally empty. i left game came back. still said he had rewards but they were still empty. clicked 'take all' and i got nothing.
I really miss the days when everything wasn't so fucking min maxed to death.
Dude this is poe wtf are you talking about, the people have been making spreedsheat since beta
Harvest was 4 years ago btw
Question, if I can only play 2-3 weeks late in a league missing league start launch. Should I still play the league? Or would I be better of skipping since that’s the time most people stop playing and I won’t be able to keep up with the economy? Due to the prices being high and things selling much less?
Is that way too late to join a league? Specially one like this where your town has time involved?
Don't delay on shipbuilding. Their rewards are very timegated.
spending all this time setting up your town only to get back from a shipment what you get in one half of an expedition encounter. Definitely not worth it.
You need to level up your relationship with the towns. It takes time
@@thomasborgland9247 What relationship? I don't see anywhere on the screen were it tells you what your reputation is with the town or various NPCs
@@down-the-rabbit-hole the more you give the towns what they want, the better rewards you get. Fun story: i got HH last night from ship 😂
For the Cowgirl!
Has anyone noticed midteir (alc and higher) raw currency drops seem to be lower than previous versions. Most of my drops are low level currency, gear and gold. I'm speculating that GGG nerfed raw currency drop rates to account for all the various ways we have agency over getting currency through league mechanics including the current league. Am I just imagining things?
@@andrewbako9494 I’ve been loading up boats with thousands of plants and juicing with dust, haven’t gotten anything beyond 1c if I’m lucky so far
@@tmjones212just send what the towns want. I got a divine last night for only a couple hundred food items and 55 dust.
I’m sure luck is involved too but I’m also equally sure that sending exactly what the cities want is enough.
Man I left all my bismuth to be smelted over night on day 1 and havent seen it since. My town is stuck at level 5 😢
Ran a white map for the first time since day 1 and instantly found bismuth. Anyone know if the ores are tier dependent?
How do you get Rog to disenchant? He doesnt seem to have any option to upgrade or to disenchant. At the moment I can only sell to him.
You'll need to build the disenchanter, IIRC getting it going requires Verisium ore
I thought they would at least do a better job explaining how this mechanic would work. Nope not a single bit of info on it
hey gog, how did the little experiment result?
I can’t tell if you are very Orzov or very Golgari with how you treat your workers…
My runers die at 4% white map tier 1
Wait there is a shortcut button in kingsmarch ? There is nothing for me and Johan in hideout doesn't give me an option to open the town management either.
@@locmorningstar2740 /kingsmarch in chat, can also bind it to awakened poe trade
Options > Input > League Interface
how are you farming enough gold to keep your higher level works working?
Non-Synth maps give ~8000 in reds (alch & cheap scarabs like +40% monster packsize or +beyond). Synth maps are way more than that, like 17000.
What is the most brainless way to beat the campaign? The campaign is anti fun and I stopped 3 zones into act 1
haven't we been killing innocent bystanders since idk act 5?
Verisium is to hard to find
Hype
Map runners looks like a noobtrap. Gold cost is far too high
it might be a gold sink once you have your town maxed out and only spend gold on AH trading fees (which aren't that high).
they want you to have SOMETHING to sink that gold into instead of running with a character that has 3 million gold and nothing to spend it on.
As long as u are still upgrading the town you just wont have gold to have maprunners, even disenchanters might be too expensive, im sitting at more than 100k dust already and km constantly gold broke so im currently only having 1 disenchanter working
yay
I dont hire people with more than one job. Why would u ever do that, the second talent is always wasted as u dont swap them arround on a lvl 2 secondary one, lol.
i win