"Putting your real price on the menu instead of putting disingenuous prices that don't reflect what you'll pay" isn't really an argument I have sympathy for. Just put what I'm going to pay for things on the menu if there's a price. Sales tax is the only thing I'm willing to deal with. Europe doesn't have that problem (thanks to price-inclusive VAT) and they still have restaurants even though it's been decades. (I'll skip the debate over tipping. Right or wrong as it is (probably wrong), I tip anyway in the US.)
Not a fan of sit down charges. Just raise prices accordingly. For something like a large party- 10 or more, a 10% service fee seems appropriate. Sales tax should also be included in prices- like it is in Europe.
City mandated should be shown just like how taxes shown. Using sales tax / VAT as an example, either if it’s built in the price (like Europe and Japan), not on top of the price (US and Canada), just don’t do the hidden way (like China, or Seattle’s sugar tax). Service fee should be built in the price, just hike the price universally, those are to compensate the worker not getting enough wage, which is part of biz operating cost that has nothing to do with government mandate. However, government should also allow wage adjustments based on time (similar to shift adjustment in manufacturing), as long as the average wage for every given employee will meet the minimum wage requirement on their schedule (that means if someone not show up during peak hour so the average doesn’t meet minimum wage, then that’s not on the employer).
Has the tips based on race already adjusted (normalized)? Example, fast food less tip then sit down restaurant, sit down less than fine dining, fine dining maybe less than bar. And each race distributed unevenly between those sectors. Asians majority in the sit down sector. Also, is fast food being averaged? If yes, it will also drive the average way down.
Alan if you can leave to a more friendly neighboring state or any other state that doesn't have or would consider legislation like this go. So basically ny and new england states are a no go. Maybe new Hampshire
In my opinion, this is going to eventually reach other states because there are more and more stories of servers and bartenders getting stiffed by customers, driving them to find another job. There are two sides of this that we need to consider: 1) Raising menu prices to include service charge may drive customers away 2) Raising menu prices to include service charge may guarantee guests can't stiff the server/bartender. Business owners might be afraid people won't go to their establishments if they include service charge in their increased menu prices, but at the same time, business owners also need to realize that they're losing service workers because they weren't making enough money.
*sigh* ok lets step into some hot water today as far as the whole racial inequality thing I would say that the chart isn't taking into account the population of each race across the country much less the amount of each race of people that has "tip based jobs" in the first place
@@chinoatrx so looking at a report by the U.S census in 2021 a large percentage of the country would be categorized as white so naturally the amount of people who would be getting tips would be white because that's the bulk of the population granted I couldn't find a report done for this year and perhaps maybe the problem isn't really with the chart itself more or less what's being taken away from it
Are you a bartender or server, or a restaurant worker? What do you think will happen in California, and do you think other states will follow?
Hope not for example for gig app workers nyc new law has proven disastrous
"Putting your real price on the menu instead of putting disingenuous prices that don't reflect what you'll pay" isn't really an argument I have sympathy for. Just put what I'm going to pay for things on the menu if there's a price. Sales tax is the only thing I'm willing to deal with. Europe doesn't have that problem (thanks to price-inclusive VAT) and they still have restaurants even though it's been decades. (I'll skip the debate over tipping. Right or wrong as it is (probably wrong), I tip anyway in the US.)
Not a fan of sit down charges. Just raise prices accordingly. For something like a large party- 10 or more, a 10% service fee seems appropriate. Sales tax should also be included in prices- like it is in Europe.
That's the point they can't charge that. That 10% that'd be guaranteed to staff is gone.
If I carry out why should I pay the dine in fee that's built into menu price?
City mandated should be shown just like how taxes shown. Using sales tax / VAT as an example, either if it’s built in the price (like Europe and Japan), not on top of the price (US and Canada), just don’t do the hidden way (like China, or Seattle’s sugar tax). Service fee should be built in the price, just hike the price universally, those are to compensate the worker not getting enough wage, which is part of biz operating cost that has nothing to do with government mandate. However, government should also allow wage adjustments based on time (similar to shift adjustment in manufacturing), as long as the average wage for every given employee will meet the minimum wage requirement on their schedule (that means if someone not show up during peak hour so the average doesn’t meet minimum wage, then that’s not on the employer).
Hopefully this gets rid of some of grubhubs bullshit fees, because the fees almost cost as much as the food
Has the tips based on race already adjusted (normalized)? Example, fast food less tip then sit down restaurant, sit down less than fine dining, fine dining maybe less than bar. And each race distributed unevenly between those sectors. Asians majority in the sit down sector. Also, is fast food being averaged? If yes, it will also drive the average way down.
Alan if you can leave to a more friendly neighboring state or any other state that doesn't have or would consider legislation like this go. So basically ny and new england states are a no go. Maybe new Hampshire
In my opinion, this is going to eventually reach other states because there are more and more stories of servers and bartenders getting stiffed by customers, driving them to find another job. There are two sides of this that we need to consider:
1) Raising menu prices to include service charge may drive customers away
2) Raising menu prices to include service charge may guarantee guests can't stiff the server/bartender.
Business owners might be afraid people won't go to their establishments if they include service charge in their increased menu prices, but at the same time, business owners also need to realize that they're losing service workers because they weren't making enough money.
*sigh* ok lets step into some hot water today as far as the whole racial inequality thing I would say that the chart isn't taking into account the population of each race across the country much less the amount of each race of people that has "tip based jobs" in the first place
Please elaborate
@@chinoatrx so looking at a report by the U.S census in 2021 a large percentage of the country would be categorized as white so naturally the amount of people who would be getting tips would be white because that's the bulk of the population granted I couldn't find a report done for this year and perhaps maybe the problem isn't really with the chart itself more or less what's being taken away from it