Another TWIST in the Cleveland Browns Stadium saga: Cuyahoga County is pushing back against Haslam's
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- The Cleveland Browns’ proposal to leave the lakefront and play in a new domed stadium in Cleveland’s suburbs has hit a major snag.
In a letter sent to team owners Dee and Jimmy Haslam, Cuyahoga County officials said Sunday they’re backing a proposed $1.2 billion renovation of the team’s current stadium and are committed to keeping the NFL franchise in downtown Cleveland “for generations to come.”
Earlier this week, the team unveiled renderings for a $2.4 billion state-of-the-art stadium and entertainment complex to be built in Brook Park, Ohio - about 15 miles south of Cleveland.
The Haslams, who have owned the Browns since 2012, believe a new stadium that could host year-round events, potentially a Super Bowl and Final Fours, would trigger development and economic growth for the entire Northeast Ohio region.
The Browns’ proposal came after the city of Cleveland submitted giving $461 million toward a massive renovation of the current 65,000-seat stadium, which was built in 1999, and the re-development of its surrounding property | apnews.com/art...
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A world class arena in northeast Ohio that my family can enjoy year round events, I think it’s for the people
Boo.... Not a good reason at all. Guess you don't understand real tradition plus the financial hit Cleveland City will take.
@@WhatDreamsMayCome444That's the city's problem
I never realized how much cities care about hosting a Super Bowl. I guess maybe it’s me, but I don’t look at a city in a different light just because they got to host a superbowl
It might not be how you, an NFL fan looks at the city, but it is about the dollars that come into a city. The NFL has a rule that a Super Bowl city has to have X amount of hotel rooms. That is because they know how many hotel rooms are needed for the week or two leading up to the game. That is a lot of full hotels, not to mention restaurants and other shopping. Also, the Super Bowl attract eyes that are not normally tuned into an NFL city. If Cleveland/Brooks Park looks good on TV during a Super Bowl, it might open others up to checking the city out. At least that would be the thinking.
It's more than the millions injected into the area in a couple of days. It's using the stadium more than 8 games a year. It's bringing more revenue to the area all year long with different events being held in the dome. But most people are short-sighted and want to live in nostalgia. Then let's go back to cassette tapes and 8 tracks..😂😅
@@kevinfarley7468 it’s bit misleading, the vast majority of that money is being funneled right back to large corporations, not small business. I do want the dome, I just think the superbowl excuse is weak and doesn’t do a whole lot for the working class
@@olivertrumanjr9556 yeah, I'm just looking at more use of the stadium. A lot of small restaurants and other attractions will get some action...
@olivertrumanjr9556 while you are correct, there are still thousands of locals working in the hotels, restaurants, and venues during the event. Yes, millionaires pockets are getting lined, but people are still working and getting paid. It's an overall boost to the local economy that wouldn't happen without the event.
Then let the NFL finance the new stadium. We're being taxed to death as it is!!
The league can loan the Haslams up to $300 million for the new stadium. That's about it.
Maybe Haslam should threaten to sell the team back to Randy Lerner.
Lerner was an Amazing Owner
@@Hawkeye62 Randy Lerner was an empty suit.
😂😂😂
For 5 billion
@@Hawkeye62They hated the browns
too much money to be made off the domed stadium in Cuyahoga county and they want their share
Is Brook Park not in the County?
@@mightymulatto3000it is but Cleveland is the big dog in the county so bibbs and the city are probably using that to push their weight around
@@mightymulatto3000 Yeah, Brook Park is in the county.
The Haslams will laugh when they get private investors and funding from Lorain County, and they leave Cuyahoga all together
Other cities have their sport stadiums in the suburbs.
Jimmy and Dee should pay 1.5 billion dollars.Its only fair
What folks don’t realize is that Brookpark is currently an infrastructure nightmare. They don’t have the roads or resources to support building another stadium. The second major point is the fact that even if that site is built on, if they did secure a Super Bowl, where are the people are going to stay? Guess what? That would be Downtown that has the majority of decent hotels rooms, not Brookpark.
That’s why the infrastructure is designed and built up -> more jobs for local Ohioans to piece together a future Brooke Park commercial and residential district… but while it temporarily uplifts the economy for the lower class and maybe sells a few votes, they will be immediately priced out of enjoying most of the amenities and will be fully priced out in the long run. Usually I am “pro-business” but in this case the ROI Haslam may surmise is so monumental and will serve virtually zero public benefit, citizens should be giving $0 to this project and avoid being sold the dream.
All City , County , State , and Federal money is TAXPAYER MONEY ! Haslam needs more money , open a GO FUND ME account for his family !
Both parties are posturing
I think publicly funded stadiums arenas etc should never happen again. We should put the monies towards areas that help the entire community not pro sports teams. We need better schools, better jobs, better infrastructures etc. The area is shrinking. We need to invest tax payers money on helping the region grow again. A stadium does not bring any revenue that the studies conducted by the pro sports industry.
The Super Bowl monies that keep being brought up can easily be solved. Rotate the Super Bowl yearly to each and all cities with nfl teams. The weather should never be a factor period.
Hey I need 10K in funding....come on that's nothing 😂
G is right people are leaving the city and county. Mainly going to Columbus which is the Atlanta of the North.
🤣 not even close you ever been to Atlanta homie
@@user-uf5ed8mp4d what I mean by my comment is Columbus is a growing city, traffic is horrible and always congested besides when OSU has a home game, and buildings are constantly being built for housing. Growing up everyone wanted to move to Atlanta. In-state a lot people want to move to Columbus
@@icberg2glac IDK about all that my friend. Obviously you haven't been walking around lately in the surrounding downtown Cleveland area. Cuz right now they can't build apartment style living highrises fast enough to meet the demand there is in Cleveland today! Practically both ends of the East & Westside neighborhood outskirts of Cleveland including the downtown area are booming & building brand new projects as we speak. Trust me, there's a lot of things going on in The-Land of the (216) with no end in sight. Just saying... GO-DAWGS!
Why is Jimmy going to win? Because of the golden rule... those with the gold, rule.
Bull so jelly of billionaires
GBush trying to speak truth about the politicians not doing anything on the lakefront and Bull/Jay are shutting him down
At this point Cleveland city officials are pissing me off and now im praying its brook Park and Cleveland city dont get a dime!! Cleveland city officials dont give a care about the fans they only care about the money
This is 1994 all over again and we all know how that worked out if he wants to leave the state he will leave
You clearly didn’t listen. They clearly said it was Cuyahoga County government
@@janconner2087 you clearly didn't listen you goofy ass dude.... City officials told county shit about them to tant the deal .... Goofy ass ppl I swear
@@janconner2087 clearly your highly intelligent self didnt hear SHHHit... CLE city officials reached out to Cuyahoga and messed with the deal... So how is that not Cle city ...huh smart guy???
@@ricocantera3160 you actually believe in politics, huh?
Oh how dumb you are…
Either way it goes, Cuyahoga County and Cleveland will benefit greatly, no matter where the stadium is built. Brookpark doesn’t have the infrastructure in place to even break ground so they must depend on Cleveland and Cuyahoga County tax dollars if they want any investment from them.
But again, you believe in politics 🙄😂🙄😂🙄
Let haslam pay for it...
It's PURELY negotiation for the financing terms, it IS going to Brook Park.
Every city should steal the NFL teams from billionaire owners. "Not your team no more. City owns it." Break up the monopoly.
The whole league should have ownership like the Packers.
Maybe you all should stop complaining about stadiums you have one a decent one shut up and go
Why not simply place the same rendition of the dome in Brookpark on the Burke Lakefront Airport site....someone please explain why this hasn't been considered since it's been talk of closing that particular airport any way.
Why isn't this being discussed on the show? Why aren't you guys discussing other areas within downtown, lake front, or the city of Cleveland alone.
I think the main issue there is that the airport was built on landfill, and that site cannot support the foundations that would be required for any new stadium.
Why should the people of the state of Ohio who could not afford a ticket to a Browns game have to pay to build a billionaire a domed football stadium? If he wants a stadium, he should build it himself. 😮
If you can’t afford a single ticket to a Browns game that’s a personal finance problem…not theirs
@Alex24357 You don't get the point. They are taking money from the poor to give to the rich. If he wants a stadium, he should pay for it. Leave the taxpayers of the state of Ohio out of it.
In Capitalsim, the government doesnt provide tax dollars to run your business.
In capitalism (or any ism) there are no set rules (laws & rules change daily with votes), primarily it's all about the $$$$$/lobbyist & the politics/politicians!
Great explanation by Jay Crawford.
Haslams paid $800 million for the Bucks
Minority stake
What are you talking about?
Sorry, i misread that.
$ 800 Million that majority own share right there..
@@ryanwalsh3966that majority own share bro that half billion stop dreaming
If Jimmy foots the whole bill and then a lot of money will be going in Jimmy's pocket,they would only get tax money off whatever Jimmy sells and the parking,vending,food go right in Jimmy's pocket
As well it should! If he has to pay for all of it.... They should name it after him!
Cleveland. This is why the franchise left the first time.
That is 100% completely wrong and nowhere close to why
@@ErockCLE not really. Art was broke and the Haslams aren’t but they both are being ruined by politics greed and stubborn people that don’t like change. Block the Haslams enough and they’ll go elsewhere just like Art did.
@@NickTheSheep1379 Greed? They’re rich, they can pay for it
Let the NFL help pay for the new stadium AND renovate the lakefront! You know they got the money!
Glad the city and county are fighting back keep the team downtown screw brookpark. No one born and rasied in the city wants the team to move. Ever again
Two words Haslam Island...250 acres built offshore A Casino hotel resort woth a dome
The city of Cleveland is still paying back the initial loan from 1999. Over 350 million + so far ! Now you want to re up with anouther billion . Piss off .
Let them leave. Im over rich people taking their ball and going home, then blaming poor people
Forget the new stadium, just move the team. Time to start over.
Not even sure why they are talking about the county. Seeing as both spots are in Cuyahoga County. I think that Brook Park shouldn't give Cleveland a dime of the revenue
Brookpark relies on Cleveland. Not the other way around
Good on you guys! Defend the taxpayers money
I am in favor of the Brookpark location! I would go to games more often if I didn't have to go into the craphole that is downtown Cleveland. Getting to and from the current stadium is difficult at best and parking is expensive and I worry when I leave my vehicle in the parking lots.
Move the Browns to Kentucky 🤣😂😂😂😂
Problem is, if you don’t build a dome downtown, who is going to go up to Cleveland and spend money while they are here In February for a Super Bowl? Brookpark will benefit. Cleveland will not. Get off the plane at Hopkins, stay in the “Browns village” shop and everything right there. Superbowl ends, get on plane and bye bye.
It should be a partnership between the Browns, State, and County. Profits split on the basis of percentage invested by each party. The state and county issue bonds to be sold to the public. Ohio citzens should be allowed to buy the bonds first.
The stadium is a major loss. Developing around the stadium is where the money is made.
Kroenke’s wedge into real estate
TLDR: Stan Kroenke, the owner of the Los Angeles Rams football team, hosted the Super Bowl last weekend. SoFi Stadium was built for more than $5.5B, the most expensive stadium in history. This year, the Rams will create a profit of $37M. Creating a long-to-impossible payback cycle for the owner.
Perpetual’s Perspective: Kroenke is one of the largest real estate developers in the country and his wife is the heir to Walmart. His net worth exceeds $10B. Some billionaires own a stadium for their ego or passion, but for Kroenke it was a wedge into capitalizing on his speciality: real estate. Kroenke built the new Rams stadium in one of the most underdeveloped parts of LA. He was able to develop dozens of acres of land in a major metropolitan area, which is the largest project in the last 50 years. Kroenke may not be making money on his sports team, but the apartments and retail stores around the stadium is where his payoff will happen for the next 30+ years. As a St. Louis native, I think Kroenke is a total snake for lying to St. Louis about his intentions to leave - and the courts agreed, making him pay $750M to the city of St. Louis for not negotiating in good faith. In total the investment is close to $7B, but it appears the payoff will be much larger.
Excellent analysis. Haslam is taking notes!!!
@@freshcoastfreak7408 Halsman wants a private-public partnership to eat the colossal lose of building a stadium. He wants to develop around it to make billions. This plan gives the city of Cleveland debt and puts cash in Haslam's pocket. Horrible deal.
Cleveland might get a Super Bowl. So what. Go. The Browns have held the city hostage since they came back. Go. 😮
Jay talks non stop
Jay had most facts and relevant info to share 🥸
You're not taxing the billionaire or business. It's just passed along to the people. The people ultimately pay the tax. The government gets the tax money.
Superbowl is not coming to cleveland.
What about the location of the stadium?
I think Brook Park would be great for Cleveland Browns Plus I think a Stadium with a dome would be great for all year round Concerts and then some alright Brook Park is the perfect place.
Ain't the owner a Billionaire? Am confused here..
CLEVELAND IS PLAYING RIGHT INTO HASLEM HAND.
No championships, but make dollars........ Leave the browns alone!!!!!!!!!!!! factory of sad owners
Cleveland football should be outside. The fans should get to vote- like the Elf Vote. Let the fans fans vote Jimmy.
It's 2024 not 1975.
Half the roster is made up of southern players, cold weather is not an advantage
Think of the fans and all the downtown juice. Keep it here. 🐶
I live over here in Shittsburgh country just north of Shittsburgh and ive already been throwing the new stadium in there face so we cant take it back now!!
If the Rooneys start asking for a new Stadium, they can go to Hell!
They could always tell Jimmy & Dee to spend less money on player😂 and us it for a stadium
Berea is in Cuyahoga County, correct? So what's the County's issue?
Also it should be "Adam the Bowl" 😅
The most sane Jay Crawford has ever sounded on this show.
Dear Haslam, pay for it yourself and stop asking taxpayers to foot the bill!
I don’t care about a Dome. I want the Browns to play in Cleveland, Ohio.
Or they could hire a cop. Downtown cleve. Isn't safe. No one goes there.
Don't understand why Cleveland can't get rid of Burke Lake front airport and build the dome there. I know there not making money from having the airport. They can put the airport somewhere else or expand County airport.
Same thing I said
Can’t build a stadium on Burke. It’s landfill/reclaimed land.
@@richdosich right exactly people don't do research
What is Columbus gonna do when the Bengals want a dome?..is the Govenor gonna give Cincy a pile of cash?
You can't compare a market the size of Cleveland to Cincinnati
* Governor. If he can see a political advantage?!...Then yes. That's politics!
The Browns move to Columbus I would be fuggin furious!
Doesn't the Cuyahoga County counsel have a say on this?
Perhaps if the Cleveland political leadership showed an affinity for spending money wisely, I would be more sympathetic to their position. It’s not going to be a 50/50 split. Haslam will pay closer to 70% under the current proposal because he is also responsible for paying for cost overruns and additional development on the site such as shopping and hotels. And the county and city will get benefits from the area around Hopkins Airport being modernized while getting additional tax revenue from the new complex.
The loser politicians are just postering to try to deflect attention from their own incompetency, especially Mayor Bibb.
Ahh shh I thought I was watching fox News my bad
Bush and bull need to stick to football
Just Relocate To Texas
8 of 10 Clevelanders want to keep it down town.
They need a real poll for this.
If Jimmy has to pay for it himself he's going to price out more of the fans then they were already going to. I'm shocked no one is considering this angle when demanding he pays for it.
He's not paying for it entirely, ain't going to happen. He IS paying a massive $1.2B and the rest WILL be financed via the state and the county.
@@randytolen9531 I know I'm just providing a little push back on the pov Jay has of the haslam's should pay for the whole thing.
@@jonnyxs3 Jay is living in an altered universe, not reality. Bull is liberal on everything, hate when he gets into politics. You never hear them reference the other side of the equation...that we're fortunate we have a billionaire owner that is willing to invest well over $1B to spur a major infrastructure project-this isn't the Dolans operation, who do nothing but suck the town dry.
@@jonnyxs3 Ticket prices for games & concessions have been out of reach for quite awhile now for the majority of sports fans my friend. Just saying... I remember the days when it was easily affordable for me & my pop's to go to a game & still have enough money to buy a couple of beers, peanuts & a dog without breaking the bank. Boy how times have changed. 🤔 WTF-OVER!
@@216Numbskull Well yeah.. but if haslam pays for it all even upper middle class maybe priced out as well. I know the lower middle class and below have mostly been priced out already. There aren't as many upper class fans as there are in the middle class.
Do these bonds/taxes already exist or would they have to be voted into existence?
Who is on the hook for tax revenue shortfalls? Clearly the County would be. Best to keep it down town.
More over why should someone in Wickliffe take risk for a project in Brook Park?
Cuyahoga County is heavily invested in downtown, Rocket Mortgage Fieldhouse, Progressive Field etc. Why would they invest in something that would compete with these interests downtown? County funds are limited right now with huge projects on the to do list. Plus the county is going to have to fund the renovations of Cuyahoga County Airport as Mayor Bibb, having met with federal government officials over the summer, will soon announce the closing of Burke Lakefront Airport. Jimmy and Dee will be the only ones who profit from the Brookpark Dome Boondoggle. Let them pay for it . Oh and where is the rendition of the current stadium renovations Jimmy?
You make entirely no sense 😂
What are the ROI and payback period on a $4 billion investment that hosts 8 events per year?
Private funding is a complete waste of an investment. Taxpayer funding is subsidized losses. If the city of Cleveland wants it, the city of Cleveland needs to subsidize it.
Everyone is trying to figure out your logic The point of having the dome is so that it can have events all year round not eight events in the point of having all the businesses around the stadium is likewise what are you talking about what is the ROI on an associates in economic development?😂
@@brandonlarrabee5784 The Rams new stadium has artificial turf for exactly this reason. They need to use it for as many events as possible to justify the cost.
LA has a TON of HUGE events that this venue can host. Where are you getting all of these make believe Cleveland events? Your comment is silly.
@@brandonlarrabee5784 Kroenke’s wedge into real estate
TLDR: Stan Kroenke, the owner of the Los Angeles Rams football team, hosted the Super Bowl last weekend. SoFi Stadium was built for more than $5.5B, the most expensive stadium in history. This year, the Rams will create a profit of $37M. Creating a long-to-impossible payback cycle for the owner.
Perpetual’s Perspective: Kroenke is one of the largest real estate developers in the country and his wife is the heir to Walmart. His net worth exceeds $10B. Some billionaires own a stadium for their ego or passion, but for Kroenke it was a wedge into capitalizing on his speciality: real estate. Kroenke built the new Rams stadium in one of the most underdeveloped parts of LA. He was able to develop dozens of acres of land in a major metropolitan area, which is the largest project in the last 50 years. Kroenke may not be making money on his sports team, but the apartments and retail stores around the stadium is where his payoff will happen for the next 30+ years. As a St. Louis native, I think Kroenke is a total snake for lying to St. Louis about his intentions to leave - and the courts agreed, making him pay $750M to the city of St. Louis for not negotiating in good faith. In total the investment is close to $7B, but it appears the payoff will be much larger.
We pay tax’s on a bunch of B/s build the new stadium. You old penny watchers need to go. They ain’t gone spend the money on nothing else we need so why not the stadium
Billionaire’s will win.
Browns will be moved again
Think about the muni lot for goodness sakes.
All this oh the poor and the is and that miss me with that I have a idea Cleveland get a job get two jobs get three jobs but quit complaining you can’t afford shit when 75% Cleveland choose to be bums
How about the haslams pay for it?? Theyre plenty rich.
Says homeless Steven in a shelter lmao
@@user-uf5ed8mp4d yeah, off my obama phone. What, haslams burner account?
Saying I want Jimmy to pay all sounds nice but is an ill informed take. I’m with G Bush and where he was trying to go if he wasn’t repeatedly interrupted.
Go look at Oakland and then keep that same energy
They can get some tax money from me JUST SAYING
The failure to develop lakefront property since Voinovich is criminal. Why is this Haslem's fault? Bibb won't be the mayor who lost The Browns. He'll be the mayor who worked to secure a mutually agreeable arrangement with the Browns (and get a luxury box or of it).
They can get help from the State
Please stay - Muni Lot holds weight. 💴
Brookpark! Fuck that renovation shit
Exactly
Nah
Horrible show today.
Horrible show every day
I guarantee you there is a county in Ohio I guarantee you there are at least eight counties in Ohio that are still in Ohio which is one of the limits put on the haslims they have to stay in Ohio that wood chip in for the Cleveland browns stadium or whatever browns they're going to be at that time I guarantee there's a corporation that will pay a huge amount of money to have their name on that stadium I guarantee the haslims will put a big amount of money on that stadium not only that stadium the businesses the condos the restaurants around it sometimes the worst thing you do in this life is get what you ask for
Why do they and Jimmy only want to put a new domed stadium outside of the downtown area? He needs to review what the Tenn. Titans owners have decided for that city's new football stadium to be downtown. Downtown is the best place and it still doesn't have to beon the Lakefront.
Just build it in Brookpark and be done with it , build a beautiful dome , it will be a money pit in the longrun !
As team Open Stadium on Lake Erie LET'S GOOO!!!
Fans don't care about how much money the county is gonna make.
Fans dont care about the price tag.
Fans care about civic pride and a beautiful stadium we can all enjoy.
Why does Jay act like this is his show🤔
The Chicago lakeshore is cutoff by a highway. Its a huge pain in the ass to get to soldier field.
The problem is you have the the Art Modell rule which again you’re not mentioning which basically forces the Haslom to make the stadium within the city it would take year for it to go to the Supreme Court and that’s Time that has them doesn’t have.
Modell rule only applies if you take the team out of the region/state. They’re not moving team. And BP site was formally owned by city of Cleveland/super close to city limits.
Because as of 2022 . The Browns were worth 3.35 billion dollars
Jay needs to lay off the energy drinks & let others talk! Not that he doesn't make some good points, he just interrupts & talks over his fellow panelist. Between him & the Bull, I kinda feel bad for G-bush.
Bull, what do you want socialism?
Yes, he does lmao
Communism.
He wants Haslem to pay for his business, which is capitalism.
As long long as the Browns keep winning ?
NO, I disagree Sherrod Brown is going to LOSE his Senate seat!
Please quit talking politics on this show. I watch sports and sports talk shows to escape from politics. And I would hate to quit watching your shows because we disagree politically.
Bro then move on, you can’t talk about stadium funding/relocation without bringing politics in the mix. You can’t be that dense to realize that
Yes and No. the Mayor (a politician) is posturing with the owner of an NFL team to get a stadium either built or on renovation, it’s damn near impossible to not bring up politics in this scenario. In order for this move to get done politicians has to sign off on it.
@@only1raay i think the issue is that regardless of this particular issue which is more political than most sports issues, bull seems incredibly eager to insert his personal political opinions every chance he gets, which are often based with such fallacy that it's frustrating to listen to. he comes across as that annoying uncle that can't help but bring it up at family gatherings.
Bro lmao this is a major issue in Cleveland that does actually have to do with the SPORTS team , it has to be talked about fella listen you may learn something
Sounds like a you problem, msybe toughen up?
DOME PLEASE ASAP
You pay for it then! Tired of my Tax dollars going to billionaire owners to fund their oversized greenhouses!😡
STOP THE POLITICs!! Bull has been a real assclown lately with his political bullshit