You are the type of person the 86 deserves and was designed for. You truly appreciate the engineering and design that has gone into this car. A lot of people complain about the power, but it can be easily modded. Hope to have one of these one day and thanks to you, I have decided to get the newer revision as opposed to getting an older (albeit cheaper) one.
I just recently totaled my 2013 FRS. Some of the first mods I did to it was removing the clutch spring, swapping the diff/trans fluid Coilovers etc to increase the enjoyability because like you said the FRS was good, but rough. I test drove a 2017 Toyota 86 a couple weeks ago, and I remember looking at my girlfriend in surprise, and saying why does this car feel smoother and better to drive then my modified FRS. This car is nearly perfect from the factory now, and as crazy as it sounds I almost don’t want to modify or touch it at all. I could drive it stock and be completely content. I figured if the day came where I totaled my FRS I’d get something different, but here I am picking up my new 2017 Toyota 86 in a few days. Awesome Review, everything said is spot on 👏🏼
The GT86 seems to have a completely different and improved suspension now since the facelift. Toyota also seems to have a slightly different setup on some parts.
So I'm sure some of you are wondering how the changes to the new 86 translate to the road/driving experience. I just took delivery of a press loan yesterday. In the last 24 hours I've driven it on the street and on track at M1 Concourse...but mostly sideways around their skid pad lol. Here are my thoughts! The 2017 86 is good. Very good. I'll leave you to judge the way it looks, but what I want to go over is the driving experience, because Toyota has done some amazing engineering to the suspension. It doesn't understeer. At all. And it doesn't oversteer unless you try to make it oversteer. The car is incredibly well balanced around corners, and there is a lot more mechanical grip even on the same michelins. The revised softer dampers, sway bars, and spring rates work so well together I'd characterize this as one of the best handling cars I've driven at any price point. I couldn't say that about a stock BRZ/FR-S before this. Ride is improved, turn in is improved, mid corner adjustability is improved, grip is improved, steering is improved, I love it. Now on to power: I'd liken this new 86 to feel like a tuned BRZ/FR-S running on E85. The torque dip isn't very noticeable. But it has also been
Chris - Did this one you tested have any of the TRD options? I've watched other reviews in which they had the TRD exhaust, springs (lowering the car), sway bars, and TRD forged wheels. I really like your reviews. One thing that would put you even higher in the pack is if you stated the details about the car (as you do on your audio/visual equipment.). Keep up the great work!
I tested a 2015 FR-S with the TRD exhaust/springs/sways. It was okay, but a bit too stiff and the exhaust droned. The new 2017+ 86 and BRZs are so perfectly balanced in every regard, it'd be hard to improve on them much.
@@gtgs2563 I know. I refer you to my previous comment. What do you think, maybe pointlessly unequal length exhaust headers would do it? Maybe not - the 86 still sounds boxer-y even with equal length ones.
Just got a 2017 Toyota 86, and I love it! People who say this car is boring clearly don't drive near the edge of traction enough, which you can't do in 90% of all other rear wheel drive cars (relatively safely on the street anyway). I'm neutral when it comes to the whole 86 vs BRZ thing, but my employee discount pushed me towards the 86 :D
I got 3000 off, which apparently that's being sold at a loss for the sales guys (not Toyota), also got a free extended warranty. I'm told I got that big of a discount because my sales guy likes me, and did not mind not making any money off me. About the 86 vs brz thing, there the same car. If you want an interior with some more nice features, than the brz is your only option. If you don't care about the interior, than choose the one you think has the better front bumper.
I test the BRZ and the 86 back-to-back on the same day within an hour of each other and I have to admit the BRZ exhaust note was more noticeably louder. I ended up with 86 ,no regrets. I just can't stop looking at my car . Sexy as heck.
I like the fact he is driving it normally, and not redlining it to 100kph like every other loon seems to do with every car test. This gives me a good idea of how it sounds and pulls and what it would be like as a daily driving car, its all very nice indeed. Well done for great review
I also bought my 2017 86 on a whim, and I have had a blast over the last 8000km since driving it off the lot. A few months back I spotted a 2017 halo white 86 sitting at GM lot which caught my eye. After doing a quick search I found 3 six speed cars brand new at dealer down the road from my house. Red, Metallic grey, and black. I booked a test drive the next day and signed the paperwork by days end.
This car is so beautiful😍 I'm not really a guy that cares about the power but more about the feel of the driving and this is hands down one of the best handling in it's price range
Really enjoyed this one, I drive an 8th gen Civic Si and this car has always been appealing to me but I always just worry about the cases where I would need 4 seats every now and then when I go and visit family. You are right though, a majority of the time that isn't a problem
Very nice first impressions video. I've considered this 86 before, but now that the new GR86 is out (and these cars are a dying breed) and I absolutely love the new one, I wouldn't mind considering a second hand 86 based on this video, given that the new one will still be expensive (thank goodness there is no turbo in the new one!).
Thanks for the great impressions I’m still undecided on a 2013/2017+ model. Great to see it drive from POV and comparison impressions from a current BRZ owner of the older model.
I just imported my own 2017 GT86 Intension was to sell it but the economy turned to shite so.... My company car is now an 8000 mile grade 4.5 GT86 with full TRD quad tip exhaust and TRD SF2 rims. Tuned and well it seems very good to me. There is a sweet spot on the peedle kindof like fuel injected motorcycles, too much gas and car will bog but slow and steady and the car pull hard all the way to red line, I have no loss of torque. It's great. It actually reminds me of riding a motorcycle, keeping the engine on the boil all the time. Every home needs an 86, especially now with the price of fuel, best bang for your buck
I used to live in Windsor for a few years. Half way through your video I'm like, "I recognize that U turn!" You must be near Sommerset. Say Hi to Brad in Windsor for me
2017 Toyota 86 or 2017 Subaru BRZ? Consider availability of the performance package on the BRZ. I actually like the bolder look of the 86 front, but STI sized Brembos and Sachs dampers are a nice upgrade. The interior upgrade of the BRZ Limited can also be had in the 860 Special Edition.
My own my gripe about the new revisions is ONLY the new front bumper and the steering wheel. I love everything else. And have you seen the BRZ with the new center console with the starlink system? I LOVE IT.
Agreed. This car really is a sweet thing to drive now. I mean, the handling is perfect - driving this around the track I couldn't think of any way to improve the dynamics. Curious to see how it does with some grippy tires. And sweet, that's good to hear on the BRZ. I like the direction Subaru has taken it. Hopefully the suspension is as good as the 86 though. Gotta get a loan on one soon this spring!
Find yourself an FRS front bumper, I think it should still fit. Correct me if I'm wrong, at least by the look of things the headlights still share the same contour.
When I was little there was an airplane called the f-86 sabre and I really liked it and now I really like the Toyota 86 so I guess I have a connection to the number 86
Hey there! at 3:23 you turned off the digital speedo? How did you do that?! Hoping to hear from you soon x I am a big fan of your vids keep up the good work
I’m not going to change any suspension on my 86 but I can’t really find out what size wheels I should go with for the stock suspension. If you guys know can you let me know?
Finally an honest review... I'm thinking a WRX in my future but I need the four seats, but when my kids start to drive themselves maybe an AE86 can share a stall with the WRX lol. I've wanted an FRS/86 since 2012, glad to see it has only gotten better. Great Video.
@TheTopher please! Can you make a comparison video between this and your mk6 GTI? I have a 2006 audi A3 (basically a mk5 GTI), and I like the car. It's very comfortable, classy, and pretty fast with a its stage 2 tune, but I find myself craving a light weight, NA, rear wheel drive car. I want Something that I can rev out on the street without blasting my tires off and alerting everyone around me.
so is the automatic version quieter? I've noticed that from your track videos when you tested out the auto version. or is it just the microphone difference? coz the audio quality is different in this video compared to the one you did in Autobahn circuit.
FatalFist ive only driven the old version as a manual. they didnt have the new one as a manual to test drive, but the old one was fairly easy to rev match while downshifting. just a little blip of throttle and you're good to go
That's interesting that at 3250 the 86 is sitting at 70. I have a 2002 vw gti vr6 and at 3200 (the vr6 has a torque sweet spot and it's at 3200) but the car is at 80mph at 3200, so 70 falls just under 3000.
You are the type of person the 86 deserves and was designed for. You truly appreciate the engineering and design that has gone into this car. A lot of people complain about the power, but it can be easily modded. Hope to have one of these one day and thanks to you, I have decided to get the newer revision as opposed to getting an older (albeit cheaper) one.
Did you get one?
I just recently totaled my 2013 FRS. Some of the first mods I did to it was removing the clutch spring, swapping the diff/trans fluid Coilovers etc to increase the enjoyability because like you said the FRS was good, but rough. I test drove a 2017 Toyota 86 a couple weeks ago, and I remember looking at my girlfriend in surprise, and saying why does this car feel smoother and better to drive then my modified FRS. This car is nearly perfect from the factory now, and as crazy as it sounds I almost don’t want to modify or touch it at all. I could drive it stock and be completely content. I figured if the day came where I totaled my FRS I’d get something different, but here I am picking up my new 2017 Toyota 86 in a few days. Awesome Review, everything said is spot on 👏🏼
man u sound awesome. hope u enjoy the car
The GT86 seems to have a completely different and improved suspension now since the facelift. Toyota also seems to have a slightly different setup on some parts.
Few years late but huge congrats! I just bought a 2017 that was damaged and am hyped to whip it around.
So I'm sure some of you are wondering how the changes to the new 86 translate to the road/driving experience. I just took delivery of a press loan yesterday. In the last 24 hours I've driven it on the street and on track at M1 Concourse...but mostly sideways around their skid pad lol. Here are my thoughts!
The 2017 86 is good. Very good. I'll leave you to judge the way it looks, but what I want to go over is the driving experience, because Toyota has done some amazing engineering to the suspension. It doesn't understeer. At all. And it doesn't oversteer unless you try to make it oversteer. The car is incredibly well balanced around corners, and there is a lot more mechanical grip even on the same michelins. The revised softer dampers, sway bars, and spring rates work so well together I'd characterize this as one of the best handling cars I've driven at any price point. I couldn't say that about a stock BRZ/FR-S before this. Ride is improved, turn in is improved, mid corner adjustability is improved, grip is improved, steering is improved, I love it.
Now on to power: I'd liken this new 86 to feel like a tuned BRZ/FR-S running on E85. The torque dip isn't very noticeable. But it has also been
Chris - Did this one you tested have any of the TRD options? I've watched other reviews in which they had the TRD exhaust, springs (lowering the car), sway bars, and TRD forged wheels. I really like your reviews. One thing that would put you even higher in the pack is if you stated the details about the car (as you do on your audio/visual equipment.). Keep up the great work!
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I tested a 2015 FR-S with the TRD exhaust/springs/sways. It was okay, but a bit too stiff and the exhaust droned. The new 2017+ 86 and BRZs are so perfectly balanced in every regard, it'd be hard to improve on them much.
I'm really curious to see how the new BRZ compares. I'll be looking to buy one of the twins sometime early next year.
My god, that engine sounds phenomenal!
I wonder how you'd get an ND mx5 to sound like this.
C. H. It's a boxer engine that's why it sounds different
@@gtgs2563 I know. I refer you to my previous comment. What do you think, maybe pointlessly unequal length exhaust headers would do it? Maybe not - the 86 still sounds boxer-y even with equal length ones.
C. H. You could do an engine swap
I agree
Sold. I'm getting this car.
BJ! We need you defending us with the MG42! how to get the money😫😫
@@SHANELMUSIC work hard and you will get there
Same
Did you get the 86 ?
my 86 is parked away for the winter and I'm really missing it. going through and watching/rewatching toyota 86 videos to relive the fun I've had.
Just got a 2017 Toyota 86, and I love it! People who say this car is boring clearly don't drive near the edge of traction enough, which you can't do in 90% of all other rear wheel drive cars (relatively safely on the street anyway). I'm neutral when it comes to the whole 86 vs BRZ thing, but my employee discount pushed me towards the 86 :D
I got 3000 off, which apparently that's being sold at a loss for the sales guys (not Toyota), also got a free extended warranty. I'm told I got that big of a discount because my sales guy likes me, and did not mind not making any money off me. About the 86 vs brz thing, there the same car. If you want an interior with some more nice features, than the brz is your only option. If you don't care about the interior, than choose the one you think has the better front bumper.
Man what dealership is this and where??
I know I’m all late but congrats mate I myself will also get the 86 next May when I graduate high school 🙌🏻 cheers
vzda123 someone doesn’t know about
the pedal dance
@derrik tie 3
I test the BRZ and the 86 back-to-back on the same day within an hour of each other and I have to admit the BRZ exhaust note was more noticeably louder. I ended up with 86 ,no regrets. I just can't stop looking at my car . Sexy as heck.
I like the fact he is driving it normally, and not redlining it to 100kph like every other loon seems to do with every car test. This gives me a good idea of how it sounds and pulls and what it would be like as a daily driving car, its all very nice indeed. Well done for great review
Ernie Flannel this comment has to be sarcastic, this dude is whippin
Bruh he gets it sideways in the first 3 minutes
I also bought my 2017 86 on a whim, and I have had a blast over the last 8000km since driving it off the lot.
A few months back I spotted a 2017 halo white 86 sitting at GM lot which caught my eye. After doing a quick search I found 3 six speed cars brand new at dealer down the road from my house. Red, Metallic grey, and black.
I booked a test drive the next day and signed the paperwork by days end.
This car is so beautiful😍 I'm not really a guy that cares about the power but more about the feel of the driving and this is hands down one of the best handling in it's price range
I want one so badly !
I've been looking at getting a GTI, but damned if this thing isn't calling out my name.
Why would you get a gti over this?
@@Spooky4815 because it's more fun to drive.
@@farhan007 smh sude dude
@@Spooky4815 What?
@@farhan007 What?
Thanks for this terrific 86 POV video.
I really want this car, i don't care if it has 200 horsepower, i appreciate the feel of it
Still in love with my 2017 86
how reliable is it? 1-10, am looking to buy one right now.
ur driving it like u stole it lol.
This is why you it would be a dice roll to buy one of these used. Most owned by kids who drove them hard and put up wet
Because that's how you drive cars.
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The 86... the car that seriously got me into cars since Day 1...
...still love mine to this day!
It has everything u need, the sound, so many mods, modern interior,
Its perfect...
Bro the way u drive inspires me to buy this car
One of the few modern cars I would seriously consider buying
Really enjoyed this one, I drive an 8th gen Civic Si and this car has always been appealing to me but I always just worry about the cases where I would need 4 seats every now and then when I go and visit family. You are right though, a majority of the time that isn't a problem
finally, what a great review! Im glad to see somebody actually drive the car for what its worth.
If I were to ever get a sports car, it'd be this car.
Ryeric1 glad I’m not alone 😁 cheers
@TOKA G My mother. 😑
@TOKA G sorry to come in and be negative nancy. But this car is in no way, shape or form a sports car. Corvettes are sports cars. This is a Coupe
@@IntentionallyLeftBlank. I don't understand what you define as a sports car
@@paco123huang its simple. Google "sports car" its a mustang, challenger, vette, gto or even a viper.
The tach/speedo combination is exactly like the HUD from NFSU.
YES LOl
My brand new BRZ is unfortunately in the shop... So I'm watching this to hold me over until I get it back
this is a real car enthusiast car, lids who say these cars are underpowered dont know anything about cars i have a gts 86 2012 and i love it :))
A nice Japanese fastback coupé
I'm low key excited to see this finally, back when you uploaded the auto trans video it seemed like a part of what makes this car what it is was gone.
This car is simply awesome
Getting one in Blue this summer. GT with all the goods. Can't wait!
How is it?
that car sounds so good
Surprisingly to me as well, based on how everyone says it sounds bad...
Thank you for a brilliant and enjoyable review of the new 86
Lowers the brightness so you can't see the speedo😂😂
I can't complain about the BRZ and FRS they are both great
Congrats on 15k
Very nice first impressions video. I've considered this 86 before, but now that the new GR86 is out (and these cars are a dying breed) and I absolutely love the new one, I wouldn't mind considering a second hand 86 based on this video, given that the new one will still be expensive (thank goodness there is no turbo in the new one!).
About to cop one
Thanks for the great impressions I’m still undecided on a 2013/2017+ model. Great to see it drive from POV and comparison impressions from a current BRZ owner of the older model.
hello from 6 years. beautiful video. Thanks man!
damn now i want this car looks like a perfect car to kick around in city
Got a 99 eclipse... Thinking of selling it and getting this car
I don’t care about the speed instead handling is my style👌🏻 can’t wait for 2018 graduation and it’s all mine according to my plan 😍
Did you end up getting it???
@@RuthlessShadowGamer think he got a bmw
Awesome vid. Want to trade my car in right now for an 86!
This is the only other contender besides my Si. I was going to get this but the turbo in the Si just makes it that much faster and more fun to drive.
My dream car
Can't WAIT to get my own.
I just imported my own 2017 GT86
Intension was to sell it but the economy turned to shite so....
My company car is now an 8000 mile grade 4.5 GT86 with full TRD quad tip exhaust and TRD SF2 rims.
Tuned and well it seems very good to me. There is a sweet spot on the peedle kindof like fuel injected motorcycles, too much gas and car will bog but slow and steady and the car pull hard all the way to red line, I have no loss of torque. It's great.
It actually reminds me of riding a motorcycle, keeping the engine on the boil all the time.
Every home needs an 86, especially now with the price of fuel, best bang for your buck
I really want this car
He has been flogging it so hard and it’s like merely going 50mph. It needs to be faster than that.
Had to sell my S2k due to my lifestyle. I am getting this car in a few days. I sure hope it's fun.
My dream car I want one when I can drive
Would you down shift like a pro??
Ok, later you did. Exvery time now, sounds awesome.
This is an awesome review
Great review, very clear. Great testing also, not to much but just a little wheelspin to test the car. Thanks!
I used to live in Windsor for a few years. Half way through your video I'm like, "I recognize that U turn!" You must be near Sommerset. Say Hi to Brad in Windsor for me
2017 Toyota 86 or 2017 Subaru BRZ? Consider availability of the performance package on the BRZ. I actually like the bolder look of the 86 front, but STI sized Brembos and Sachs dampers are a nice upgrade. The interior upgrade of the BRZ Limited can also be had in the 860 Special Edition.
I know miata (mx5) is in a different category, but how does the handling of 86 compare to the mx5?
So weird seeing car reviews in the Southeast Michigan area cause I drive around these roads all the time
nice donuts
Hey Chris,
Keep us updated on the differential, the direction you're taking your car is how I want to take my FRS lol
My own my gripe about the new revisions is ONLY the new front bumper and the steering wheel. I love everything else. And have you seen the BRZ with the new center console with the starlink system? I LOVE IT.
Agreed. This car really is a sweet thing to drive now. I mean, the handling is perfect - driving this around the track I couldn't think of any way to improve the dynamics. Curious to see how it does with some grippy tires. And sweet, that's good to hear on the BRZ. I like the direction Subaru has taken it. Hopefully the suspension is as good as the 86 though. Gotta get a loan on one soon this spring!
Find yourself an FRS front bumper, I think it should still fit. Correct me if I'm wrong, at least by the look of things the headlights still share the same contour.
Miata with proper set up is better than brz/frs.
I am disappointed that 86 don’t have moonroof. That is why, I bought Miata and I am loving it.
Such an awesome video
good stuff, i'd like to drive one of these to see what the fuss is about. waiting for some autox/drift vid with this, you can drive for sure
2:42 , going sideways while talking, no problem
When I was little there was an airplane called the f-86 sabre and I really liked it and now I really like the Toyota 86 so I guess I have a connection to the number 86
1986 corolla was the original 86. Not familiar with the plane tho
Hey there! at 3:23 you turned off the digital speedo? How did you do that?! Hoping to hear from you soon x
I am a big fan of your vids keep up the good work
The new 17 has better shift box than old frs/brz?
Any smoother ?
+mypolo1005 it is smoother. Everything in the newer Brz/86 feels smoother and more refined. They took a lot of harshness out of the drivetrain.
Thanks topher. I better ask dealer test drive.:D
Will it took 5 years but the factory tuner special is coming in the form of the gr86.
Good review and sound
Can you review older cars with your commentary? Like an E46 M3?
Is it only the 2017 and newer models that have these upgrades or does the 2016 one also have them
Was that brake fade at 6:32
I need this :(
Same
I’m not going to change any suspension on my 86 but I can’t really find out what size wheels I should go with for the stock suspension. If you guys know can you let me know?
Finally an honest review... I'm thinking a WRX in my future but I need the four seats, but when my kids start to drive themselves maybe an AE86 can share a stall with the WRX lol. I've wanted an FRS/86 since 2012, glad to see it has only gotten better. Great Video.
They just need to make this lol lh5.ggpht.com/-_I_8YdZqFf4/UpyrDmyy1bI/AAAAAAAPTeo/nPVXVvwB500/s800/Toytota-GT-86-Sports-Sedan%25255B4%25255D.jpg
@TheTopher please! Can you make a comparison video between this and your mk6 GTI? I have a 2006 audi A3 (basically a mk5 GTI), and I like the car. It's very comfortable, classy, and pretty fast with a its stage 2 tune, but I find myself craving a light weight, NA, rear wheel drive car. I want Something that I can rev out on the street without blasting my tires off and alerting everyone around me.
2017 toyota gt86 here in our country has a 2017 brz interior. How is that?
Hell yeah good job toyota
86 or BRZ?
My dream car 😔😔😢
so is the automatic version quieter? I've noticed that from your track videos when you tested out the auto version. or is it just the microphone difference? coz the audio quality is different in this video compared to the one you did in Autobahn circuit.
They keep lowering the gear ratio to make it seem like it has any semblance of power, while it's screaming on the highway cruising.
I like this guy
Is it possible to have to your old 86/brz to have the new 86’s absorbers?
So is the 17 86 identical to the BRZ or are they different? If so are you going to drive the 17 BRZ?
dry509 the badges are different.lel
86 has Toyota while brz has a Subaru
at 5:18 he went full savage
my favourite car in this segment is Alpine a110 its brilliant car but obviously the car is not available in us and 86 quite impressive car actually
How's the downshift? I take it the car doesn't automatically rev match for you and I'm still new to driving manuals.
FatalFist ive only driven the old version as a manual. they didnt have the new one as a manual to test drive, but the old one was fairly easy to rev match while downshifting. just a little blip of throttle and you're good to go
FatalFist just drive a lot and get experience man
No auto revmatching, practicing heel-toe in a car like this is a fun experience.
lmao, speaking of a deer... one totaled my ats last weekend...
and now i am looking at an 86 ☺️
Thoughts on the next model coming up?
This is my dream car but my dad lives down gravel and I wouldn’t want to drive this down the road.
Does the 2017 brz have the new diff as well?
Anyone noticed he didn't censor his license plate when he drifted in public at 2:44
What you buy this or a 987.1 base boxster?
Hey Chris have you thought about maybe adding a turbo or super charger later on for either your 86 or BRZ
Nah, NA power or bust! I've thought about adding on a V8....
Is this all stock? Looks very low
Are you driving heal-toe? Just out of curiosity.
That's interesting that at 3250 the 86 is sitting at 70. I have a 2002 vw gti vr6 and at 3200 (the vr6 has a torque sweet spot and it's at 3200) but the car is at 80mph at 3200, so 70 falls just under 3000.
^ with a 6 speed transmission :D
Wish mine had a 6 speed.
In my 5 speed, 70 is just shy of 3000 in 5th. 4000 in 4th.
Not the easiest thing on gas, honestly.