Definitely not with that “your slice return is your opponent’s topspin multiplier” clickbait. 🤣🤣🤣 The problem is I find myself enjoying your bs … well played.
#1 has gotten me to pop up shots for the other side to put away easily. I stopped doing that after getting burned on over extending. Glad you called this out. Thought I was crazy.
that is the point of the video - correcting long standing mistruths - this guy has some knowledge above and beyond your average pro who has just played for a long time, got pretty good and does youtube channels. Absolutely my new go to guy.
One of the biggest lies (for 60+) is "don't hit the dead volley drop" when the opponents are at baseline. Although I regularly see this shot at pro levels, it's rarely a winning shot, therefore inviting opponents to the kitchen, but more often sets up a winning shot. At my age group 65+ and level 3.5-4.0 it's often a winner.
Yeah, I think this one is actually really valid. Especially if you are playing someone who is really good at dropping from the baseline. They are going to hit a good drop and get up there anyway, so if you can make them sprint forward and hit up, there is a good chance for a pop up.
The reason they don’t recommend attempting it is that it’s difficult to hit a good drop with spin from the baseline as it is and a bad one is easy to put away. A bad dead drop is even easier to put away. It’s a low percentage shot.
If you have a good roll volley, it can be effective below the net, but usually low percentage. The drop shot advice is spot on, I discovered this recently and am dropping way more consistently. I use to lean back and hit up thinking it would help float it over the net. Weight forward is way more consistent and produces much more aggressive drops.
I do find it interesting how conflicting pro videos can be. I have literally seen 3 different videos that give conflicting advice as to what to do when you chase down a lob; drop it, drive it or lob it back. So I think your last piece of advice about not always doing something is the best advice. So much is dependent on who you're playing and at what level you're playing.
#5 is actually a comment that the student usually tells themselves (whether the coach says "always" or not...). They get a solid piece of advice, and then they take it as gospel that it must be done every time. (That's honestly not a terrible thing when trying to learn a new skill and engrain a new habit in order to remove some of the "thinking" during a rally) - but once the principle is fully owned, the player must then treat it as a well-used tool rather than a rule.
The worst advice is run up to the kitchen as fast as you can after the 3rd shot. I wouldn't call these lies. The problem is that word that some coaches use "ALWAYS" . Everything is situational.
This is misleading. The coaches you reference teach the same things you’re teaching, and some of them teach better than here. No need to disparage them for clicks.
I always watch these videos before pickleball and I have so much to think about haha, I’ve just decided to focus on one improvement per session. I thinks it’s important to not get overwhelmed by coaches too. Today I worked on my positioning and it went great. Loved this video, and especially you showing the examples with other players. I’ll be trying the move - don’t move drill 👍 good luck in 2025!
I have had to do the same thing as I was getting serious information overload. Focussing on one thing at a time allows me to play a decent game otherwise, my brain is in overdrive. Glad to see someone else is doing the same.
Tyson McGuffin has described reaching in low to take bad volleys in the kitchen as "fishing for trash" for a long time now. Many other coaches explain that taking the ball higher off the bounce is often better than lower off the volley. Coaches mention this exception less often when the meat of the video is how to prevail in a crosscourt dink rally, because you can't step backwards off a crosscourt dink to begin with. Based on my exposure, it's 50% pure myth that this myth exists in the first place.
just went over the step back shot with my coach, I am only 5ft tall - so taking balls out of the air is not the best option for me. It just results in a weak shot. But that step back- need to really take a good step back so as to not get crowded
I think there are just different styles and types of play there is no wrong or right teaching, just do what works for you and master your playstyle and you’ll be fine, be consistent don’t start switching up because one person said something
I somewhat agree there are different play styles as we have seen the top team drop down due to more aggressive play (even breaking up a partnership) but there are some definite DON'Ts in pickleball and some definitely bad instruction. And example: Many old coaches teaching slice returns when most all pros arent using it anymore. Drop shots on the 4th in doubles against young agile players is not good either (free ride to the kitchen). Many others too like hitting down the line on a cross court dink (He specifically mentioned this as good) which would set up the Ernie. He really misrepresented other excellent RUclips instructors with this video.
taking the ball out of air is still good advice IF you do it through dinking(usually the ball bounces low during dink, if bounce high, attack).. all advices work for some cases, not all cases..
I wish there was better consistency in the coaching world. There are too many 'certified' coaches that have no business coaching but I think the bigger problem is all the rec players out there that think their a coach. When I first started playing 5 years ago, I was getting advice from all the 'veteran' players that were all just parroting the same bad advice that they had received....and they still do.
You aren't wrong that some certified coaches are getting certs too easily, but please don't confuse a real coach with veteran players that offer advice. They are not at all the same.
As a veteran player, here are my two comments: 1) The game is still evolving. Some coaches are dishing out old advice. Sometimes really old advice. And sometimes two opposing ideas can both be correct and “it depends” applies more often than one would think 2) I despise getting “advice” from new-ish players that don’t understand some ideas about court positioning and shot selection. Dunning-Kruger syndrome abounds
I definitely agree there's quite a few "coaches" out there who are certified and not good. They are average players at best. How can an average player give lessons to average players? As a pickleball instructor myself, I tell people to really do their research. First make sure the person is a legit certified instructor, as they're many know it alls who shouldn't be telling anyone how to play. Make sure you find a legit professional in the Industry who is at least a 4.0 level player, preferably 4.5. Certification agencies are handing out certifications way too easily. This is not only a slap in the face to good instructors, but also the entire industry. It really delgitimizes the entire process. It should not be that easy to get certified. Also, watch the instructor play. They should stand out and be better than 95% of the players. You can tell right away who the advanced to elite players are. There's not that many, contrary to people's opinions of themselves.
@@gabeanderson8816 The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias where people with low ability, expertise, or experience in a particular area overestimate their knowledge or competence. Essentially, they lack the self-awareness to recognize their own limitations. This phenomenon was first identified by psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger in 1999. In contrast, highly skilled individuals often underestimate their abilities, assuming tasks that are easy for them are also easy for others. This creates an interesting paradox where those who know the least are often the most confident, while those who know the most may doubt themselves.
The rule for always and the x pattern is for defense. Those are the shot you cover when your opponents are hitting the ball. The are not necessarily the shots you are to hit on offence. Try that cross court speed up against someone who is not over committed middle, and that cross court speed up would be counter attacked.
I have listened to many coaches, including the ones shown in this clip. None of them have "lied" what was claimed or "debunked" in this video. They all talk about best practices, not absolute rules. Also, the shots demonstrated in this video are pro level shots while the target audience for most coaches are the 3.5-4.2 crowd.
One thing: With rec players “volley dink first” thought. I think it could help the dinking learning curve, and improve “dink” tolerance faster even if later you bounce more for offense. I came from tennis, and to me 90% of learning curve (doubles) was kitchen. Players with non-existent strokes or overheads, gave this tennis player beat downs with 3rd shot drops and watched my crap dink tolerance, particularly stepping back. I was tennis s&v, the volley dink memo would have been very useful. Even now, 2 years into pickleball … it’s hard to think volley dink first. Another benefit of volley dinks is uses less energy … instead of hopping around like a chicken (unfair to chickens) … just extend arm and done. 🤣 Second thing: it is amazing what passes for good two handed backhand instruction in the land of the wiffle. 😛We were so foolish in tennis with all “that stuff” and 1000s of reps. Just do “x” on Monday, and by Friday you are a Twoey (sad … twoey … really?) king … or queen … or whatever.
Thanks Connor for dispelling these myths. I have specifically asked top pros if it isn't better to let low dinks bounce sometimes rather than hit a soft lift volley because I could hit a more aggressive return dink off the bounce and been told no. I figured I must be missing something so its really helpful to hear your take. Always enjoy watching you play and hope to see you get your power serve mojo back, especially in singles, as the rest of your game is stellar.
hmmm, so if the other side dinks your partner out wide and you don't move, and then your partner attempts a speedup off the bounce, it seems like that would leave a large gap between you 2 and you probably wouldnt be able to close the gap quick enough
Honestly, I have never been told to exclusively go down the line on the return. Also for an amateur player, why would they return down the line? Is it because it gives a team less angles for the 3rd? Just another amateur player here, but I feel like down the middle or cross court is the better option. More margin of error for a deeper return down the middle or cross court. Also it gives the returning player more time to get the kitchen line if they're not the fastest. If going cross court the ball is travelling a longer distance, all of which would give the returning player more time
if you return down the line - its easier for your partner to take middle until you get up there. If you return cross court your partner has to worry about line - meaning you have to cover middle while running in.
The main channel that hugely emphasizes working from the legs is Cincola, and I've never seen him yammer on about using legs for a long drop. His actual position is that you should try to limit yourself to one primary hinge for each shot, to reduce complexity. Quite a few channels state that larger muscles are more consistent that smaller muscles. If you have the fitness to use your legs, such as for dinking, it would likely lead to consistent play. At 6'5", I have to save my legs for deep knee bends at the NVL so that I can obtain a more horizontal sight line to better track fast hands exchanges, so I mainly use my hips and shoulder for my backhand dinks from out wide. All the more recent content on the 3rd shot drop is more about organizing yourself to flow through the shot to make faster tracks forward after you hit a good one, or about how to replace the old style drops with the newer drips. I really don't agree with this idea that the coaching out there is steering people wrong. The older stuff teaches an older view of the game. In all of this material, some of the corners are rounded off. But mainly the caliber of the best channels is pretty good.
This is the dumbest comment of read on pickleball. I'll explain it to you what he's talking about is these are the things that are told to people in general
@@faf1967 But Connor is taking good instruction and twisting it to make a catchy YT video. All of this is not "Myth" it is the base of the game and should be taught to everyone as simple basics. Maybe instead of trying to discredit legit instruction, he should have said this is how to deviate from solid play.
@@anger7556 In addition he put people on the start of the video with an X on top of them. Kinda disrespectful. In addition, I've never heard anyone coach return line in two years of playing. I have heard middle is safest and adding depth. He also said in the video to go down line on the cross court dink which easily sets up an Ernie whereas one of the coaches he pictured would have told them to go to middle or to the players foot (especially if in trouble from an aggressive cross dink). Then he took one of the other coaches "suggestions" for taking balls out of the air which was for dinking at the kitchen and transferred that to the 4th shot (coming from a 3rd shot deep court drop or drip).
“ never move back from the kitchen line” not sure I believe this. I understand the importance of getting to the kitchen but I don’t see pros staying there all the time
Only move back if you need more time due to a misplaced (mostly high) dink to give you more time to react to the speed up you know is coming. Girls tend to play a little more off the line than the guys. Have some ideas why this happens but not really sure
The 5 biggest lies in this video: 1) You are taking volleying in the kitchen out of context. Step back when you can attack after the bounce. Otherwise you are constantly giving up position at the kitchen if you ALWAYS back up 2) You make it so that the middle shift player just stands in the middle after shifting. She should have shifted back once she saw a good crosscourt dink. Of course the line was open. She just stood still in the middle. 3) I haven't heard anyone preach using your legs and upper body to lift for drops. Weird take. 4)Again, you are taking it out of context. The left hand is connected to the left side. When you say to use the hips to create the chain, the left hand is just a more simpler way of putting the emphasis on the left side. And you aren't always driving with two hands on the backhand. Having the left hand be the consistent thought applies to all two handed backhand shots, not just drives. 5) And one more out of context. Of course you should change it up, but using the X to set up any changes is the base of it. The line and middle speed ups are the base, and then you change to angles when they start covering. This whole video sums up RUclips instruction in a nutshell. Make a catchy title, and get views. Who cares if the content is accurate or not.
Connor … #6 … the bs Zane started about “slice returns” 😛 We all come equipped with eyes and a brain (some barely functioning), and we have this fancy tech called video and slow motion. We don’t need an “expert” to verify stuff, we can use our own eyes. For example, hypothetically we could go watch the MLP finals. We could watch slice-return-all-day Mari Humberg … youtube video frame by frame against both pro dudes and pro dudetts. We could use our own eyes to watch for this assured beat down from opponents topspin++, that never came. While watching a big wave of irony might slap you in the face when you see who she is playing with. She wins slicing returns all match with no-pro-slices-returns-anymore Zane the mischievous bs artist. Next level irony … couldn’t write this stuff. 🤣🥰
You are not practicing what you preach hence it is false. You are dinking and starting to slide before the ball crosses the net. It makes absolutely no sense to wait for a ball to cross the net before moving. If you wait for a dink that will fall close to the net, to cross the net before you step in and get it; you are likely to be late getting to it and lose the point. The best approach that I have heard is to take away your opponent's down the line and through the middle shots. Read the shot off their paddle face and react from there. If you wait till the ball is crossing the net you will be too late.
@@downieduck2414 Yet he is hitting and sliding as he hit the ball because he knows were the ball will go. That is before it crosses his side of the net.
Ok. Different style of coaching is now a lie? 😂. Great coaching! I hear you loud and clear but maybe too “loud”. Feedback: Your tone or maybe it’s a combination of tone and speed but your delivery sounds like you are yelling at your audience. Anyone great tips. I watched you in person during one of your PPA tours. You are an amazing player!
so many people on here yattering on - its about what advice connects with you. There are two many people who have become reasonably competant for where the game is now at a very low skill game..the riff raff is starting to thing out now tho
Add I hear never use a drop shot in pickleball .I can see where the difference between a drop shot in pickleball then in tennis is because of the size of the court your drop shot in pickleball is played most of the time as a set up shot.Not a winner.
😂 Your awesome Connor. Calling out all these lies 😂, from my favorite core of YT instructors. You earned a sub and a thumbs up. Mary and Jackson have excellent form and power. Are you their coach?
I have never heard a coach say lift with your chest and demonstrate it like you did. The way they demonstrate it is push up and though is at a forward angle. Not unlike your correct demonstratio.
More than half things in this clip is good but the general cancellation of other pro players' instructions are disrespectful and not accurate, cherry picked. Besides, some are situational like other coaches instructions, like the shadow move in dinking. Some are really covered already by other coaches before this clip. This is really low.
You are purposefully misrepresenting statements. Why do you have to disrespect others to make your point? It's the cheapest shot to disparage others to make yourself look better.
What BS, the next skill level will eat you alive since your a singles guy.. You can still keep beating Martha and bagel them. This guy got the yips in serves, fix that first!
“Lies” is an extremely poor way to title this video! Coaches are not deliberately lying to their students. You’re offering a new perspective on some common strategies. You could title it a new way to look at common strategies as the game is changing or something like that. have more respect for your fellow coaches.
I wouldn’t trust me either
That voice…
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@@ZaneNavratilPickleball hilarious 😆
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Definitely not with that “your slice return is your opponent’s topspin multiplier” clickbait. 🤣🤣🤣 The problem is I find myself enjoying your bs … well played.
#1 has gotten me to pop up shots for the other side to put away easily. I stopped doing that after getting burned on over extending. Glad you called this out. Thought I was crazy.
Don't see the point in trashing other pro's and content creators who put out great content.
that is the point of the video - correcting long standing mistruths - this guy has some knowledge above and beyond your average pro who has just played for a long time, got pretty good and does youtube channels. Absolutely my new go to guy.
@@downieduck2414 yeh whatever dude 😂
People are giving you heck but these tips are very helpful.
One of the biggest lies (for 60+) is "don't hit the dead volley drop" when the opponents are at baseline. Although I regularly see this shot at pro levels, it's rarely a winning shot, therefore inviting opponents to the kitchen, but more often sets up a winning shot. At my age group 65+ and level 3.5-4.0 it's often a winner.
What is a dead volley drop?
@@tkr212drop super close to the net while opponents are at their baseline
I'm a 4.5 and play with others up to 5.0. I'm seeing the drop shot used more and more often as players get better at it.
Yeah, I think this one is actually really valid. Especially if you are playing someone who is really good at dropping from the baseline. They are going to hit a good drop and get up there anyway, so if you can make them sprint forward and hit up, there is a good chance for a pop up.
The reason they don’t recommend attempting it is that it’s difficult to hit a good drop with spin from the baseline as it is and a bad one is easy to put away. A bad dead drop is even easier to put away. It’s a low percentage shot.
If you have a good roll volley, it can be effective below the net, but usually low percentage. The drop shot advice is spot on, I discovered this recently and am dropping way more consistently. I use to lean back and hit up thinking it would help float it over the net. Weight forward is way more consistent and produces much more aggressive drops.
I do find it interesting how conflicting pro videos can be. I have literally seen 3 different videos that give conflicting advice as to what to do when you chase down a lob; drop it, drive it or lob it back. So I think your last piece of advice about not always doing something is the best advice. So much is dependent on who you're playing and at what level you're playing.
I love your energy and smile. You are a really good teacher! Some teachers have decent enough content, but their personality is awful!
#5 is actually a comment that the student usually tells themselves (whether the coach says "always" or not...). They get a solid piece of advice, and then they take it as gospel that it must be done every time. (That's honestly not a terrible thing when trying to learn a new skill and engrain a new habit in order to remove some of the "thinking" during a rally) - but once the principle is fully owned, the player must then treat it as a well-used tool rather than a rule.
Hey Conner can you do a video how to serve ?
The worst advice is run up to the kitchen as fast as you can after the 3rd shot. I wouldn't call these lies. The problem is that word that some coaches use "ALWAYS" . Everything is situational.
There is a typo on the description that says towny instead of *twoey. Great video and your an awesome player!
This is misleading. The coaches you reference teach the same things you’re teaching, and some of them teach better than here. No need to disparage them for clicks.
^ lol Kyle Kozuta commenting on this makes me think the intro is just a big troll move. Connor seems pretty humble with a good sense of humor.
Great video Connor! Everyone brings different skills to the court. Do what works best for you.
The main one you missed was the forehand always takes it.
Picklr Kaysville!!!
That’s my Club… Mary is Headed for the Pros!
She is Fierce with a PB Paddle
I always watch these videos before pickleball and I have so much to think about haha, I’ve just decided to focus on one improvement per session. I thinks it’s important to not get overwhelmed by coaches too. Today I worked on my positioning and it went great. Loved this video, and especially you showing the examples with other players. I’ll be trying the move - don’t move drill 👍 good luck in 2025!
I have had to do the same thing as I was getting serious information overload. Focussing on one thing at a time allows me to play a decent game otherwise, my brain is in overdrive. Glad to see someone else is doing the same.
@ exactly! When too much is on my mind I go to default 😂 good luck 💪
Bad advice, ignore. Work on the fundamentals
You are RIGHT!
Thanks for sharing!
Tyson McGuffin has described reaching in low to take bad volleys in the kitchen as "fishing for trash" for a long time now. Many other coaches explain that taking the ball higher off the bounce is often better than lower off the volley.
Coaches mention this exception less often when the meat of the video is how to prevail in a crosscourt dink rally, because you can't step backwards off a crosscourt dink to begin with.
Based on my exposure, it's 50% pure myth that this myth exists in the first place.
Very nice. Thank you.
just went over the step back shot with my coach, I am only 5ft tall - so taking balls out of the air is not the best option for me. It just results in a weak shot. But that step back- need to really take a good step back so as to not get crowded
I think there are just different styles and types of play there is no wrong or right teaching, just do what works for you and master your playstyle and you’ll be fine, be consistent don’t start switching up because one person said something
I somewhat agree there are different play styles as we have seen the top team drop down due to more aggressive play (even breaking up a partnership) but there are some definite DON'Ts in pickleball and some definitely bad instruction. And example: Many old coaches teaching slice returns when most all pros arent using it anymore. Drop shots on the 4th in doubles against young agile players is not good either (free ride to the kitchen). Many others too like hitting down the line on a cross court dink (He specifically mentioned this as good) which would set up the Ernie. He really misrepresented other excellent RUclips instructors with this video.
Great video Connor!
Great video
taking the ball out of air is still good advice IF you do it through dinking(usually the ball bounces low during dink, if bounce high, attack).. all advices work for some cases, not all cases..
Great video! Thanks Connor 👍
I wish there was better consistency in the coaching world. There are too many 'certified' coaches that have no business coaching but I think the bigger problem is all the rec players out there that think their a coach. When I first started playing 5 years ago, I was getting advice from all the 'veteran' players that were all just parroting the same bad advice that they had received....and they still do.
You aren't wrong that some certified coaches are getting certs too easily, but please don't confuse a real coach with veteran players that offer advice. They are not at all the same.
As a veteran player, here are my two comments:
1) The game is still evolving. Some coaches are dishing out old advice. Sometimes really old advice. And sometimes two opposing ideas can both be correct and “it depends” applies more often than one would think
2) I despise getting “advice” from new-ish players that don’t understand some ideas about court positioning and shot selection. Dunning-Kruger syndrome abounds
I definitely agree there's quite a few "coaches" out there who are certified and not good. They are average players at best. How can an average player give lessons to average players? As a pickleball instructor myself, I tell people to really do their research. First make sure the person is a legit certified instructor, as they're many know it alls who shouldn't be telling anyone how to play. Make sure you find a legit professional in the Industry who is at least a 4.0 level player, preferably 4.5. Certification agencies are handing out certifications way too easily. This is not only a slap in the face to good instructors, but also the entire industry. It really delgitimizes the entire process. It should not be that easy to get certified. Also, watch the instructor play. They should stand out and be better than 95% of the players. You can tell right away who the advanced to elite players are. There's not that many, contrary to people's opinions of themselves.
@@gabeanderson8816 The Dunning-Kruger effect is a cognitive bias where people with low ability, expertise, or experience in a particular area overestimate their knowledge or competence. Essentially, they lack the self-awareness to recognize their own limitations. This phenomenon was first identified by psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger in 1999.
In contrast, highly skilled individuals often underestimate their abilities, assuming tasks that are easy for them are also easy for others. This creates an interesting paradox where those who know the least are often the most confident, while those who know the most may doubt themselves.
The rule for always and the x pattern is for defense. Those are the shot you cover when your opponents are hitting the ball. The are not necessarily the shots you are to hit on offence. Try that cross court speed up against someone who is not over committed middle, and that cross court speed up would be counter attacked.
I have listened to many coaches, including the ones shown in this clip. None of them have "lied" what was claimed or "debunked" in this video. They all talk about best practices, not absolute rules. Also, the shots demonstrated in this video are pro level shots while the target audience for most coaches are the 3.5-4.2 crowd.
That is a good point!
Great video. Excellent teaching
One thing: With rec players “volley dink first” thought. I think it could help the dinking learning curve, and improve “dink” tolerance faster even if later you bounce more for offense. I came from tennis, and to me 90% of learning curve (doubles) was kitchen. Players with non-existent strokes or overheads, gave this tennis player beat downs with 3rd shot drops and watched my crap dink tolerance, particularly stepping back. I was tennis s&v, the volley dink memo would have been very useful. Even now, 2 years into pickleball … it’s hard to think volley dink first. Another benefit of volley dinks is uses less energy … instead of hopping around like a chicken (unfair to chickens) … just extend arm and done. 🤣
Second thing: it is amazing what passes for good two handed backhand instruction in the land of the wiffle. 😛We were so foolish in tennis with all “that stuff” and 1000s of reps. Just do “x” on Monday, and by Friday you are a Twoey (sad … twoey … really?) king … or queen … or whatever.
Let’s see you get more gold this year!
Common misconception: forehand takes the middle
At the PICKLR
Thanks Connor for dispelling these myths. I have specifically asked top pros if it isn't better to let low dinks bounce sometimes rather than hit a soft lift volley because I could hit a more aggressive return dink off the bounce and been told no. I figured I must be missing something so its really helpful to hear your take. Always enjoy watching you play and hope to see you get your power serve mojo back, especially in singles, as the rest of your game is stellar.
"Myth" is probably a better word than "lie" 😁
Why isnt Conner #1 and Ben is?
hmmm, so if the other side dinks your partner out wide and you don't move, and then your partner attempts a speedup off the bounce, it seems like that would leave a large gap between you 2 and you probably wouldnt be able to close the gap quick enough
Great video I subbed right away. Quick question what shoes are u wearing? super nice
Honestly, I have never been told to exclusively go down the line on the return. Also for an amateur player, why would they return down the line? Is it because it gives a team less angles for the 3rd? Just another amateur player here, but I feel like down the middle or cross court is the better option. More margin of error for a deeper return down the middle or cross court. Also it gives the returning player more time to get the kitchen line if they're not the fastest. If going cross court the ball is travelling a longer distance, all of which would give the returning player more time
if you return down the line - its easier for your partner to take middle until you get up there. If you return cross court your partner has to worry about line - meaning you have to cover middle while running in.
@ ah gotcha, thanks
Why is every ball being attacked in #1.
The main channel that hugely emphasizes working from the legs is Cincola, and I've never seen him yammer on about using legs for a long drop.
His actual position is that you should try to limit yourself to one primary hinge for each shot, to reduce complexity. Quite a few channels state that larger muscles are more consistent that smaller muscles. If you have the fitness to use your legs, such as for dinking, it would likely lead to consistent play. At 6'5", I have to save my legs for deep knee bends at the NVL so that I can obtain a more horizontal sight line to better track fast hands exchanges, so I mainly use my hips and shoulder for my backhand dinks from out wide.
All the more recent content on the 3rd shot drop is more about organizing yourself to flow through the shot to make faster tracks forward after you hit a good one, or about how to replace the old style drops with the newer drips.
I really don't agree with this idea that the coaching out there is steering people wrong. The older stuff teaches an older view of the game. In all of this material, some of the corners are rounded off. But mainly the caliber of the best channels is pretty good.
Connor is the one who lies. It's all situational!!!
This is the dumbest comment of read on pickleball. I'll explain it to you what he's talking about is these are the things that are told to people in general
@@faf1967 But Connor is taking good instruction and twisting it to make a catchy YT video. All of this is not "Myth" it is the base of the game and should be taught to everyone as simple basics.
Maybe instead of trying to discredit legit instruction, he should have said this is how to deviate from solid play.
@thanhtran-oz4qk 100000% agree with you
@@anger7556 In addition he put people on the start of the video with an X on top of them. Kinda disrespectful. In addition, I've never heard anyone coach return line in two years of playing. I have heard middle is safest and adding depth. He also said in the video to go down line on the cross court dink which easily sets up an Ernie whereas one of the coaches he pictured would have told them to go to middle or to the players foot (especially if in trouble from an aggressive cross dink). Then he took one of the other coaches "suggestions" for taking balls out of the air which was for dinking at the kitchen and transferred that to the 4th shot (coming from a 3rd shot deep court drop or drip).
@@clintroberts1lol you’re right but it’s kind of funny.. mb stirring the pot a little bit
Maybe a video on "service yips" LOL.
Lovely! Keep them coming, and best of luck to you in 2025!
“ never move back from the kitchen line” not sure I believe this. I understand the importance of getting to the kitchen but I don’t see pros staying there all the time
Only move back if you need more time due to a misplaced (mostly high) dink to give you more time to react to the speed up you know is coming. Girls tend to play a little more off the line than the guys. Have some ideas why this happens but not really sure
Let’s go!!!
I don’t think you know what the word lie means.
The 5 biggest lies in this video:
1) You are taking volleying in the kitchen out of context. Step back when you can attack after the bounce. Otherwise you are constantly giving up position at the kitchen if you ALWAYS back up
2) You make it so that the middle shift player just stands in the middle after shifting. She should have shifted back once she saw a good crosscourt dink. Of course the line was open. She just stood still in the middle.
3) I haven't heard anyone preach using your legs and upper body to lift for drops. Weird take.
4)Again, you are taking it out of context. The left hand is connected to the left side. When you say to use the hips to create the chain, the left hand is just a more simpler way of putting the emphasis on the left side. And you aren't always driving with two hands on the backhand. Having the left hand be the consistent thought applies to all two handed backhand shots, not just drives.
5) And one more out of context. Of course you should change it up, but using the X to set up any changes is the base of it. The line and middle speed ups are the base, and then you change to angles when they start covering.
This whole video sums up RUclips instruction in a nutshell. Make a catchy title, and get views. Who cares if the content is accurate or not.
I feel like the drop would be more compared to a chip around the green than a putt?
Connor … #6 … the bs Zane started about “slice returns” 😛
We all come equipped with eyes and a brain (some barely functioning), and we have this fancy tech called video and slow motion. We don’t need an “expert” to verify stuff, we can use our own eyes. For example, hypothetically we could go watch the MLP finals. We could watch slice-return-all-day Mari Humberg … youtube video frame by frame against both pro dudes and pro dudetts. We could use our own eyes to watch for this assured beat down from opponents topspin++, that never came. While watching a big wave of irony might slap you in the face when you see who she is playing with. She wins slicing returns all match with no-pro-slices-returns-anymore Zane the mischievous bs artist.
Next level irony … couldn’t write this stuff. 🤣🥰
How's about showing the whole court when you hit the ball so we can see if your advice is actually working!!!
You are not practicing what you preach hence it is false. You are dinking and starting to slide before the ball crosses the net. It makes absolutely no sense to wait for a ball to cross the net before moving. If you wait for a dink that will fall close to the net, to cross the net before you step in and get it; you are likely to be late getting to it and lose the point. The best approach that I have heard is to take away your opponent's down the line and through the middle shots. Read the shot off their paddle face and react from there. If you wait till the ball is crossing the net you will be too late.
he didnt say when ball crossing the net - he said on other side - well before they hit it but you know where it is on other side
@@downieduck2414 Yet he is hitting and sliding as he hit the ball because he knows were the ball will go. That is before it crosses his side of the net.
Ok. Different style of coaching is now a lie? 😂. Great coaching! I hear you loud and clear but maybe too “loud”. Feedback: Your tone or maybe it’s a combination of tone and speed but your delivery sounds like you are yelling at your audience. Anyone great tips. I watched you in person during one of your PPA tours. You are an amazing player!
so many people on here yattering on - its about what advice connects with you. There are two many people who have become reasonably competant for where the game is now at a very low skill game..the riff raff is starting to thing out now tho
Add I hear never use a drop shot in pickleball .I can see where the difference between a drop shot in pickleball then in tennis is because of the size of the court your drop shot in pickleball is played most of the time as a set up shot.Not a winner.
😂 Your awesome Connor. Calling out all these lies 😂, from my favorite core of YT instructors. You earned a sub and a thumbs up. Mary and Jackson have excellent form and power. Are you their coach?
I have never heard a coach say lift with your chest and demonstrate it like you did. The way they demonstrate it is push up and though is at a forward angle. Not unlike your correct demonstratio.
More than half things in this clip is good but the general cancellation of other pro players' instructions are disrespectful and not accurate, cherry picked.
Besides, some are situational like other coaches instructions, like the shadow move in dinking. Some are really covered already by other coaches before this clip.
This is really low.
You are purposefully misrepresenting statements. Why do you have to disrespect others to make your point? It's the cheapest shot to disparage others to make yourself look better.
What BS, the next skill level will eat you alive since your a singles guy.. You can still keep beating Martha and bagel them. This guy got the yips in serves, fix that first!
Guy says twoie every chance he gets . Nerd 🤓
Not a fan of "your coach is dumb" videos. It's gonna be a no from me, dawg.
“Lies” is an extremely poor way to title this video! Coaches are not deliberately lying to their students. You’re offering a new perspective on some common strategies. You could title it a new way to look at common strategies as the game is changing or something like that. have more respect for your fellow coaches.