This is the best review of a coffee machine I have come across. Detailed and no fluff. The main difference between this and the Oracle for me is the pressure dial, which I use to quickly fine tune my grind when switching beans. I like volumetric dosing as I just count the shot time in my head and then I know that I have hit everything how I want it. (I have a stopwatch in my head that is usually accurate to a second).
Thanks for the in-depth review of this machine - it looks to be exactly what I’m looking for. But I was even more impressed by your note-taking skills! Your notebook looks like a textbook!
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Excellent review, great honest points raised. Just bought this machine, setting it up in the next few days, bought the Eureka Oro Single Dose Grinder as well. Looking forward to it but also appreciate it might take a while to get the results!
Just set mine up! Replaced my Barista Touch it. I'll be pulling my first shot through it tomorrow morning! Thanks for covering so much in the video. You mentioned some features I wasn't even aware of which only made me more pleased with the purchase!
The dual boiler is so cheap in Australia compared to everything else, often on sales it can be had for 600-800 usd, truly unbeatable value for a new machine.
Sage BES 920 BTR, new, on sale, in Australia for $600-$800? That's a very nice price. In the EU, we can only pretend. Dude, shipping also costs something. Just a question, from which factory I send it to the EU. And certainly more, but in the EU it is a brand - Sage. Ciao.
Thank you 🙏 Not only an awesome review, but also the only review I have yet found to actually tell me (and show me!) how many holes in the steam wand! Glad it’s not just one 😅
Probably the most useful user-perspective video of the Dual Boiler I've seen so far ! Thank you so much for the review ! I've seen on one of your instagram posts that you got a bottomless portafilter, can I ask you what brand it is and where you got it ? Very interested in this :) Looking forward seeing more coffee content videos from you soon (that coffee journal of yours tho !) !
Thank you :) sometimes I think who's gonna watch 20 minutes lol but I know I appreciate long format content that's detailed so that is encouraging :) I ordered a new bottomless and I have notes as to why I didn't love my other one. So I need to get that in, get better with it, see if I can improve my shot and I already have content really for double spouted vs bottomless. Though I can't comment as much on taste, some of the things I noted I didn't mention anyone else say (and I've watched a lot of coffee content lol) Bought mine on aliexpress
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Thanks for the info :) Yess I've seen them on Aliexpress but couldn't really find one that was not for E61 groups, the new one you ordered comes from there too ? Have fun with it ! xx
@@LinstantEclosion it does indeed! ordered 1, worked great, but sold it because there was no lip on the handle so when I would do the wiggle back flushing the hot water just went all over my hands, so I ordered another and I'll be playing with that soon and perhaps make a video about all that. Stay tuned!
Great video. Thank you. I love your chatty style of presentation. I’ve just purchased the duo boiler not really knowing much about coffee! I am already falling in love with coffee and the duo boiler. I think that getting into the science sounds so cool, and I am really impress by your notebook. I would love to see a video on the research you have carried out. Ken from Southport, UK
I actually do have a video going over some science! ruclips.net/video/fTKRKn2_w0s/видео.html I also have a ton of videos on the BDB and made a playlist on it you should see it on my channel
This video is so helpful. I received the double boiler for Christmas and have no idea how to use. Im coming from a Moka Pot. I would love to see any how to videos for true beginners.
Great review. I have a BDB, a Decent DE1XL, and a rocket r nine one. BDB is a great bang for buck machine. It’s a really solid espresso experience. I might slayer mod mine at some point. Hope Lance Hedricks BDB prototype gets released to public!
It really is! I filmed something recently about my espresso journey but more of a point casual chat than pointers but it's really patience and practice
Great work, Jess. I’m sold on the Breville dual Boiler or the std Oracle. They seem to have the right features built in for we that love great coffee, but don’t always have the time to fuss in the morning. Just a few questions: 1. What were your thoughts on the Oracle if you looked at it? 2. Do you know anything about the Breville grinder that seems to be added to make a package with the DB machine? I’m guessing it doesn’t grind for drip coffee. I enjoy your production with the video and love your scripting. I also guess you’re “ad libbing” when it suits you. I would defiantly like to see you tackle a science of coffee project. That would be fun! Continued success and thanks for content!
Hey David! I don't have the oracle, I've looked at it for fun in the past though, it's great it's the most automated you can get in that price ranger while still being real espresso VS a super auto (unless you get a super auto at 6k+ which can sometimes have actual espresso pressure and such). If you want good espresso, have a higher budget, don't want to put too much work into but still need to dial in, and want something more automated, that's the way to go. If you're gonna be obsessive and perfecting it is your thing, either one works because you can still go more manual with the oracle ans forego the included tamp and grinder. For the breville grinder I couldn't tell you but there are probably other reviews that can help you! I think it's middle ground like it's not incredible for either pour over or espresso. Generally any grinder will be geared more to one over the other. Even the more expensive ones. And yes I have général talking points and specs but I honestly don't consult it much which explains why editing becomes a paiiiinnnn. I tried once to stick to it and the video just didn't flow. Much like my coffee, I need to flow. Lol
Ripper vid, Jess. Very comprehensive and well edited vid. Had my DB a few years but only now having the time and inclination to get to know how to use it properly. Many thanks for the tips.
It's quite a fun machine! I have some other coffee content on my channel and gonna make some more since I can't stop buying gear lol. Thank you for the kind words :) have a good one!
Wow! Awesome review! I just finished repairing the steamer on my second hand machine, following another youtube guide. One thing lead to another, and I found this. Well done! If you do the slayer mod, I'd LOVE to hear what you think!
Enjoyed your review a lot. I have the Barista Express and after 3 years, I'm thinking of stepping up to this machine. If you ever do the Slayer Mod I'd love to see that too! Good luck on your channel, subscribed!
I'm so glad I was able to have a larger budget than I initially planned and got the BDB right off the bat and don't have upgradeitis! I hear the Barista Express makes great coffee though but BDB is definitely a step up
Beautiful explained! Really Looking forward to buy this machine. The only Thing that is bothering me is the durability. I have read from other users that this machine will not last very long and that you have to Do a lot of repairs on your own. If i invest in a machine like this i do not want to buy a new one in a couple of years. What is your experience? Still everything fine?
mine is still fine, I think it's around the 3 year mark you're supposed to change some gaskets and all, I have some pages bookmarked and I guess I'll find out when I get there! It's definitely less easy to repair, it's built differently but if you take care of it, you can keep it for a while. Don't forget a lot of people who do buy this machine aren't very handy or DIY-er, but there are some and they're the ones who left a lot of documentation behind for the rest of us :)
Thank you for this video! Extremely helpful. I have a super-auto but looking to upgrade to the Dual Boiler. Is there a difference in the taste/quality of a shot from the Dual Boiler vs a super-auto in your opinion? Thanks.
100%. You'll never get the intensity and syrup feel from a super auto (maybe the 6000$ ones but I haven't tried those). When you make an OK cup, it'll taste like a super auto. When you make a good cup, it'll taste like heaven. Get ready to go down the rabbit hole and take some time to learn, it's a constant and humbling journey
Great review. Informative with a touch of humor, loving it. Btw, let's say you didn't have the Breville or any espresso machine but all the knowledge you have now. Would you go with a Gaggia Classic (Pro or not) and mod it yourself? 😎
hmmmm no. It's a great machine for sure, but you have to pay a lot more attention to things because there are way less features and since it's not a dual boiler, it's "more work" and timing to figure out the steam for the latte art. It's a smaller machine and if you don't mind putting in more work it's great, and ya there are some PID mods and such. If you don't drink milk based, it's much easier.
Just got this baby, need a few tools (namely a wdt, proper tamper & tamp bay) but my shot with a niche zero was soo good compared to my 5 year old barista express.
you are JUST in luck, I'm releasing a video (should be this Friday) about all the tools to get or not with the BDB Dual Boiler! stay tuned! I have 2 other all the espresso tools videos, though it's probably time for a full revision by now
There's even one more menu! Hold down the one and two cup buttons for a couple of seconds and then also press the power button. You now have diagnostic menu open. Press menu and you will see the shot count (divided by 10). Press menu again and you can use the up and down buttons to see if you have any faults. You can also reset the fault codes from here.
What type of coffee content do you wanna see? I don't feel I would add that much value to the coffee world with all the other coffee pros out there, I do have my notes and my experience but I'm also no pro.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Can you go over pulling a shot using the manual and programmable buttons? I know you touched on it in this video but I'd like to see more in-depth use of the preinfusion feature and if that can be programmed.
Awesome ! Just got mine today, upgraded from...guess what, Barista Express :) It served me well, died conveniently just after the extended warranty was over :)
I had a breville for 10 years but had it in storage for a year and I think that caused internal damage and could not find any where who could repair it for me. That was a great machine but I went to La Pavoni for my new one because I had always wanted a lever machine and the entire thing can be repaired by me
Great video. You covered all of the bases with enough detail. I love your passion. I can relate. It is a great machine. I wish they built in that Slayer mod without having to give up the hot water outlet.
ya that would have been nice but you can't get it all and maybe there are some complications with the device that Breville just chose not to do it. It seems really targeted to a specific customer base though the BDB seems to be a different target than they anticipated - as in, there are way too many handholding instructions everywhere on the levers and such and an espresso enthusiast, or anyone really that's a bit more technically inclined would not need. As for the water outlet, I have one of these amzn.to/3zFAu8s so I don't need the water outlet. Wish they made it more compact, too much space in there but I'm no engineer so I'm not sure if that was space was left for heat reasons, I suspect it's cost savings though and they reused the same shell and mould as Oracle.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee It is a beast. I like the heated grouphead, pre-infusion, the programmable turn on time, the programmable buttons for time or volume, the wheel for moving it around the counter and the pressure guage and for a great price!
Terrific video, Jess! You mentioned two names of other coffee gurus: I am very familiar with James Hoffmann (legend) - but who was the other? Matt somebody? I couldn't make out the name - Thank you!
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Oh yeah - You made this a year ago - I figured that because I watched it today it would be fresh in your memory, too. Ego is a funny thing. You say the names between 16:00 - 16:10 (sounds like Matt Kroger? I looked but couldn't find...).
fun fact, originally was getting the Ascaso Dream with PID, ordered it but they messed up inventory and the white wasn't in so I went back into research mode and settled on the BDB instead, happy accident on that one (aesthetically uglier but functionally/feature better). It's a shame Ascaso doesn't have a lot of marketing or popularity, though I've read some steam wand leaking issues. The Steel Duo is pretty, but duo thermoblocks, doesn't have as many features, the water tank location isn't great for my kitchen set up and I love the easy fill on the BDB. Prefer the steam lever to the push toggle button on the Steel Duo. Though the features I did like on the Ascaso (dream and steel duo) is the adjustable OPV on the outside. That's something I wish BDB had, no burn steam wand, volumetric shot "timer". Love the aesthetics of the Steel Duo though, if I had to buy again today, all things considered, still the BDB but it's a close call.
@@GadgetsGearCoffeesame boat and about to finally decide on the BDB. Only thing holding me back is the Lelit Elizabeth. Just think the Lizzie will be too annoying to refill and that's about it lol
@@PowerTaco23 that is something to facotr in for sure, filling in the BDB from the front is infinitely easier and I would personally be annoyed by having to move the machine to refill since I can't access it easily under my cabinets. Also, if the LELIT's tank capacity is smaller, you'll be doing that more often!
Hey Jess, Great video and so much enthusiasm, which is refreshing to view. I have a question. As I have seen many times, lots of people start their time when the first drop hits the bottom of the glass. How does this machine deal with that? And also with pre infusion, do you start the time when the first drop hits the glass? Love to hear your feedback. Alex
I start my timer (well the BDB starts their timer) as soon as you hit the button to start extraction which INCLUDES pre-infusion. I found this works well for me anyway, I've left the default pre-infusion time and flow rate. IF the roaster has an espresso recipe, I go based off that to help me. Otherwise, my handy dandy book of notes is what I use as a reference along with the pressure indicator (range of 8.5-9.5 at its peak) + the coffee stream it makes is what I'm using more than the duration and time. But for time, I go off roast level to figure out what duration I go for. But I'm far from an expert or connoisseur and if I mess up the syrup and milk I put in my drink can usually cover up most of the mess up. I've seen a lot of theories of when to start it and when not to start the timer. Most of the time I've seen that you start it as soon as water hits the puck even in pre-infusion. But I'm sure you'll find another expert explain a different reason and have their own methods and reasons as to why. I think if you pick one method and stick with it and don't play with the pre-infusion variables, then it'll work.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee thanks so much for the detailed explanation. I would love to purchase the BDB, but we need to move find a bigger home with a bigger kitchen lol. Cheers Alex
Are you still happy with your purchase ? I’m hesitating between the BDB, Lelit Mara X or Ascaso duo 🤷🏼♀️I’m just drinking milk based drinks otherwise I use my aeropress.
Very happy :) One of my best COVID purchases BDB is the cheaper of all those machines. I haven't played with the others but I am so so happy with mine as is, and from my understanding, you won't get as many features on others. I was actually going to originally get the Ascaso Dream, the reason I didn't is they messed up my order and the white was on backorder. I don't think you'd go wrong with either but you'll have to factor in what's more important and see which of the 3 hits the spot for you.
Thank you for the review Jess. I bought a Breville Oracle Touch in December, it died on me and returning it this week for a refund. I now am considering another machine and on my short list is the Breville Dual Boiler, so the one you unboxed and reviewed here. It was a year ago, do you still feel the same way about it? I'm opting for that one as I want more control therefore, a standalone grinder. My other two choices are also dual boilers but a little more pricy. Thanks! Mike
it's actually been 2 years I believe! And I still love it, I still don't like its design but the features and cups I get out of it is amazing. Please come back with an update if you do get it I have affiliate links in my description as well that will help support the channel at no extra cost should you get it! thanks :)
Not yet, every time I get a handle on espresso and milk frothing, something sets me back and I have to go back to the basics so that's been keeping me busy lol
Ciao Jess, loved your content on the bdb and got one. Arrived today and first cups were amazing! Big improvement from my rancilio silvia v2. What do you use the included milk pitcher for? It looks too big for 1 cappuccino and too small for 2. Can you do a turbo shot video with baratza 7 and bdb? Thanks and greetings from Italy
I stored it (don't use it) and got another one instead! I talk about it here ruclips.net/video/IwGtkA752Zs/видео.html I got this one (don't know if it'll work where you are) amzn.to/3mnIIga 12oz
Good review, and I've liked the follow up vids on it you've done too. I got this machine recently (the duo combo that has the grinder). p.s. your affiliate link for the USA Dual Boiler seems to be broken.
Thank you :) feel free to come back and let us know how you like it. And thanks for letting me know about the affiliate link - I think the machine on its own (not grinder combo) selling out on Amazon so the SKUs keep getting removed.
Nice video! Love your presentation style! One question: can the machine be switched on from the power outlet? I'm thinking of getting a wifi-enabled wall plug that I can switch on remotely, so that by the time I get down to the kitchen, the machine is already warm and ready to go.,
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Coz I got unpredictable work roster (critical care doc working random hours including nights)...would be nice to be able to switch the machine on remotely so that when I get home or to the kitchen it will be ready.
@@drandrewtan ahhh I see, I don't think a smart plug would work since there's an actual button to push. In which case you'd get amzn.to/3UiuzAf that you can set timers and if you wanted to control that with your smart home as well and voice control you'd pair it with amzn.to/3F83pHP
so far no problems, still love it :) I use the filter and all for the water, I clean it regularly, see my video on cleaning! ruclips.net/video/xNJOS1W1mG4/видео.html
@@GadgetsGearCoffee I watched it already! I have a reverse osmosis filtering system so I won’t need to descale the machine ever. Right now I am using a Lelit Machine with PID but no preinfusion.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee I watched it! 🤣🤣 How much is the total extraction time when using so large prenifusion times? Also it’s important to increase temperature when dealing with light roasts. It will change the flavor dramatically for the better.
Jess, all of my witty repartee was lost when you re-uploaded! I think sharing the insights of your specific workflow will be both interesting and engaging. Especially if you share what you’ve solved for in perfecting workflow for your preferred beverages How do you feel about having two separate counter occupying devices? I’d love the Breville DB if they added their “super grinder” (from the Oracle Touch?) to the next version. I agree with your analysis that this semi-auto hits the best performance to value of the dual boiler “machines”. Everything else being equal do you find you are making better shots/drinks when compared to the Cadorna? A bientôt Jeff
it was an oversight, I was doing last minute color correcting and I didn't realize the mask actually impacts the final video export, it was actually in 2 spots! so thanks for pointing those out. I will have to be more careful next time. Did you watch the video end to end? A lot of people click out lol my content isn't for those people. My videos are as long as they need to be for me to provide a complete story. I'm not just going to read specs off a sheet that you can easily find online. Now to answer your questions: How do you feel about having two separate counter occupying devices? >That bothered me at first. I had such a minimal counter space for my pour overs before that occupied so little space and made my minimalist heart happy and now I have not 1 but 2 clunky items that dwarf my hot water dispenser (might make a video of my coffee journey, I dunno if that's content people care for or one that I care for rather). In terms of workflow I'm not walking more than 3 steps to go from one side to the other so it's not a big deal. I’d love the Breville DB if they added their “super grinder” (from the Oracle Touch?) to the next version. >is the Oracle Touch a better grinder than the one on the Breville Barista Express and their Smart grinder? the whole idea of BDB is not having the grinder and having just the espresso machine. The Oracle Touch is basically the DBD more automated with the grinder, so there is no need for them to add a new product. But maybe they will cuz they have like 10 versions of their lower end machines, but at a higher price bracket and probably lesser sales, it's probably not worth it for them to do. I agree with your analysis that this semi-auto hits the best performance to value of the dual boiler “machines”. Everything else being equal do you find you are making better shots/drinks when compared to the Cadorna? >Absolutely. I'm getting syrupy goodness, this morning I literally did that, pause and look at the drink with an inquisitive face and said out loud: nom nom nom. So yes.
btw Jeff, you didn't like (thumbs up) the video? what's up with that? lol and you'll have tons of other opportunities for witty comments. Looking forward to it 😛
@@GadgetsGearCoffee So I liked the first upload and then wrote an extensive and witty series of comments which you then deleted when you removed the video, as I was watching it for the second time. Next time you upload I’m gonna wait until I write anything just in case
@@GadgetsGearCoffee So. Yep I watched your video until the end, three times to be exact. Don’t think I asked for any specs, nor for you to read them so I’m not sure what you are referring to. Yes the grinder on the Oracle Touch is their upgraded ceramic burrs with more settings than the BBE or BBP. I personally don’t want a touch screen, just another thing that can fail. Some coffee RUclipsrs have reported significantly improved grinder results from the grinder in the Oracle Touch compared to the BBE. As to your coffee journey, I think there’s an interesting story to be told; of how the pandemic led you to have to create for yourself what it wasn’t so easy for you to procure at work or from a vendor on the way to the office, leading you down a rabbit hole to a new hobby with a delicious finale. You might never have discovered your desire to play with the science of coffee and its results. I know that I have traveled down a similar path during the past year, Pakt coffee travel kit, Comandante C40 hand grinder, Aram manual espresso maker, to the Gaggia Cadorna (the latter is mostly your fault). It will resonate with some of the folks who come to your channel and potentially they will become subscribers. Cheers
@@JeffJacquesmd the comment about specs was more: I know my videos can be long for some but I go beyond just reading the specs, and asking if you watched it til the end was just me being impressed you watched til the end. I don't pay attention all that much to my stats but sometimes when I'm on the creator side I glance at them and a lottttt of people click out after a few minutes (but I believe this is the case for all creators, especially when things are longer format) - it wasn't an attack on you, if anything I am impressed! And happy? It was like a compliment and thank you an integrated grinder would be nice to reduce space, though it would reduce the cup warmers on the top (truthfully I only need 2 cups up there, the espresso cups are just for show I've never used them lol). Though the argument is if it breaks, then you have that big pile of hunk just sitting there. Come to think of that, I think all that empty space in the BDB I noticed is probably to account for the grinder. I didn't check but I suspect that the Oracle Touch and the BDB have the same outer dimensions and same casing (I had filmed something about this but decided to cut it out).
Really like your style. Would like to see some actual shot pulling. I have a pre 2013 model Infuser which means it doesn't have temperature control. I thought about getting DB but don't drink lots of milk drinks. An occasional cappuccino or Machiatto but mostly Long Black so don't need to steam milk and brew simultaneously. Would you suggest I get a newer model Infuser or a BE PRO since I don't need DB?
I don't know enough about those other machines to say but what about looking outside of breville? I think you'd find what you're looking for on other machines. From what I gather, BDB would be overkill but it's a completely different beast. Different heating systems. BDB has the présure gauge with actual psi, temperature control and I don't think you get that with the BE pro.
Is the water filter absolutely necessary, or can you just not install it? My water is already at 15-20mg calcium and I fear softening it even more will impact flavor negatively
This video was made some ago but hope you can answer. I’ve had a Rocket Giotto for about 5 years now and is starting to have issues. It should have lasted much longer but after trying a couple things myself, it seems it has to be shipped to the store I bought it from for repairs…………..no local Rocket repair services. Concerns are shipping costs, possible shipping damage and repair costs. I’m not really sure that I want to put myself through that. So looking at the Breville dual boiler. I have some concerns though. The steam wand seems weak in terms of power. How well can it make a cappuccino? I understand that the Breville has a vibrating pump which I’m told is not as consistent and durable as rotary pumps. I’m also concerned that the steel coating will scratch and the plastic will show right through the scratches. Last but certainly not least, is taste. How does it rank? Any feedback?
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Thank you. Would you be able to tell me how well the wand froths for cappuccino? I was wondering if there have been any improvements since it was first introduced?
Did a bit more research and seems that the wand is weak but beautiful machine with nice menu. However, because of the weak steam and plastic construction, I’ll have to go with the Rocket. Thanks for your informative video.
Me too have this machine and am equally impressed. Have you also got an aeropress? But anyways, so the espresso gets you out of bed, maybe you need a motorcycle to get you to work, many mornings I would feel like chucking a sickie but I enjoy my ride to work so I get up and go
oh trust me I've thought about a motorcycle quite often, I have a few friends/coworkers who have motorcycles too and I'm tempted but seeing how clumsy I am I feel like it's not a good choice for me :D so I put that idea away. I've been looking at motorcycle looking e-bikes instead. And no aero press for me, with a BDB I don't feel I need that, but I will be getting back to some pour overs - just waiting for my Arco kickstarter grinder to arrive (fall 2021, fingers crossed)
@@GadgetsGearCoffee e-bikes equally cool for commuting, my ride is 20kms & do-able on an e-bike with roughly an hour each way. My motorbike is about 15 minutes each way, I don't even want to think about public transport. Now aeropress, is perhaps a coffee delight yet to have your interest at all, but I am certain you could squeeze out a decent brew with your Arco when it arrives 😉
That's funny, I also had a super-auto for a couple weeks, an ancient Gaggia Titanium, and decided it wasn't for me. After a bunch of research I just decided to get the Breville dual boiler too. Can't wait to get it! Great review!
Hi Jess! Thanks for the video :) Do you have a recommended dose using the stock portafilter basket? I can’t find this information anywhere. I’ve tried everything from 18-22g with varying results. Most of the espresso videos suggest fixing your dose before playing with the other factors (like grind size, ratio, etc). I’ve had my DB for about a month now and I still can’t seem to find the right dose 😕 and as a result, I still can’t find the reason why my shots are coming out with so many issues (puck too dry, pressure too low, taste very sour or bitter…I’ve had them all). I really would like to just fix the dose first before working out all the other kinks. RIP all my wasted coffee.. Thanks for all that you do! Coffee is truly a science and takes a lot of time to get good at!
Hey Carl, I feel you. From my understanding the basket is 18-21g. For dark roasts I typically do 18-18.5 and light roasts 19-20g. Really focus well on puck prep. You can't rush or skip it. Really get those grinds nice and even. There's also such a thing as grinding too fine. I went through an entire bag once unable to dial in realizing after extraction gets weird after a certain point of grinding You may also need to open up the BDB to adjust the OPV, this will void the warranty.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Thank you so much! I will definitely try those dose suggestions. As for puck prep, do you have any other videos or suggestions? I am currently using a distributor tool and the stock tamper, plus a makeshift WDT that I made out of a corkscrew and toothpicks 😆
@@cwu98 you can check out my tamper review. It helps take out some human error, but otherwise practice practice practice. Coffee is very humbling, in my humble opinion :p you absolutely could master the stock tamper but it's not a good one and it's not a tight fit at all similar to Matow, I show it here: ruclips.net/video/D_ohKWnd5vI/видео.html not having that tight fit for the tamper means you're not pushing the grinds down evenly, leaving a ring not well pushed and that will increase chances of channeling and uneven extraction
After having this for a year what’s your final impressions? Any regrets? Was going to buy a Gaggia Classic Pro but found someone selling this system locally for $700 so was thinking about buying that instead.
I haven't had much experience with other ones and I still love it! I still don't love the design overall how it looks but the features, the smart designs like filling the water from the front all so useful
it's a very vintage Vulcain you won't be able to purchase from the 70s I believe, a his and hers watch (this is the his, my mom has the hers). Very difficult to repair or get parts because it's not that popular of a movement inside (spent way too much on fixing it up). I've never been able to find anything that comes close to that to buy again, if ever you find a sleek minimalist open heart watch, I'm all ears!
@@GadgetsGearCoffee oh hmm, 1 hour is definitely enough. I wonder if 20 min is a newer thing, and yeah, if it's changeable. I guess I'll have to buy it and figure out :) thanks!
I bought this exact machine a few years ago. The first two months, it made amazing espresso, but now every time I make it, it turns out burnt/bitter or taste is off so I rarely use it. Unsure why, I am not doing anything different from those first two months I had it, use fresh beans. I've cleaned it too.
couldn't tell you why but try to go back to basics in learning the ins and outs of espresso. Start from scratch. Espresso is finicky, I've been at it several times a day, different beans, for 6 months now and I still don't always get it perfectly. I improve slightly day by day, 2 steps forward 1 step back sometimes. I taste more and more nuances so it's an ongoing process.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee hey Jess new fan, great videos. Heading to town to buy the BDB in a couple of days. This pressure thing (OPV), was this an issue with your machine, or is it something you’d recommend doing for a better coffee? (With full understanding of warranty implications) cheers! From Aus.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Canada is on our bucket list. That'll be our next trip. When borders open up. Exactly 4 years ago I was in Alaska and visited Victoria British Columbia, grew up with Ozzie mate of mine who now lives in Halifax Nova Scotia, cheers
@@kos492 wow that's west coast and easy coast! Every one of our provinces are quite different though you can kind-of skip the middles one 😬 minus Banff. That place is magical and I highly suggest, it hugs parts of BC so you can easily squeeze that in
funny you should mention that, it's on my list of videos to do! I'm waiting for the descale to have a complete video but it might take a while since my water isn't all that hard. Make sure to subscribe and click the BELL 🔔 notification so you don't miss it! Stay tuned!
You can find a comparison of the two, on RUclips from Seattle Coffee Gear. The Apartamento has a better motor, better casing and more power. The Breville has all the extra bells and whistles while the Apartamento is a classic, basic Italian espresso machine.
You hit the nail on the head, it does make really good coffee but you can't fix it, it isn't meant to last more than 5 years and then it is landfill. I had one, it made great coffee for 5 years of once-a day use and then it stopped working. I replaced it with something that is meant to last and has parts that are replaceable. This really is something worth considering for environmental concerns.
Not necessarily. If you're handy, it is quite easy to upkeep, there are lots of resources online highlighting what to upkeep when and what to buy (gaskets, etc) so even though the company doesn't want you to fix it, you actually can!
@@GadgetsGearCoffee well to be honest, it came down more to a price comparison. There were machines out there that I liked more, since I like to always set the parameters myself and the look and feel of it are a bit too modern to me. I can pick a second hand one up for 500 euros though with warranty included so to me thats an absolute steal.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee I haven't bothered with the science part yet, I'm sure one of these days I'll have one of those myself 😂. I do have some ratios in my mind that I generally use but thus far the only machines I've had have been the sage precision brewer, a mokka pot and a French press along with a hand grinder.
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This is the best review of a coffee machine I have come across. Detailed and no fluff. The main difference between this and the Oracle for me is the pressure dial, which I use to quickly fine tune my grind when switching beans. I like volumetric dosing as I just count the shot time in my head and then I know that I have hit everything how I want it. (I have a stopwatch in my head that is usually accurate to a second).
Good job. Probably the most informative review I’ve seen of this machine so far!
Thanks for the in-depth review of this machine - it looks to be exactly what I’m looking for. But I was even more impressed by your note-taking skills! Your notebook looks like a textbook!
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Excellent review, great honest points raised. Just bought this machine, setting it up in the next few days, bought the Eureka Oro Single Dose Grinder as well. Looking forward to it but also appreciate it might take a while to get the results!
Well you know where to go for tons of BDB videos! Come back any time to share your experience
This was amazing, really well explained the fact you can explain it so well shows how well you know coffee! loved geeking out with you.
This was great! I really like your videos, keep it up!
Just set mine up! Replaced my Barista Touch it. I'll be pulling my first shot through it tomorrow morning! Thanks for covering so much in the video. You mentioned some features I wasn't even aware of which only made me more pleased with the purchase!
The dual boiler is so cheap in Australia compared to everything else, often on sales it can be had for 600-800 usd, truly unbeatable value for a new machine.
Oh darn no kidding! So much better value
Sage BES 920 BTR, new, on sale, in Australia for $600-$800? That's a very nice price. In the EU, we can only pretend. Dude, shipping also costs something. Just a question, from which factory I send it to the EU. And certainly more, but in the EU it is a brand - Sage. Ciao.
Thank you 🙏 Not only an awesome review, but also the only review I have yet found to actually tell me (and show me!) how many holes in the steam wand! Glad it’s not just one 😅
Probably the most useful user-perspective video of the Dual Boiler I've seen so far ! Thank you so much for the review ! I've seen on one of your instagram posts that you got a bottomless portafilter, can I ask you what brand it is and where you got it ? Very interested in this :) Looking forward seeing more coffee content videos from you soon (that coffee journal of yours tho !) !
Thank you :) sometimes I think who's gonna watch 20 minutes lol but I know I appreciate long format content that's detailed so that is encouraging :) I ordered a new bottomless and I have notes as to why I didn't love my other one. So I need to get that in, get better with it, see if I can improve my shot and I already have content really for double spouted vs bottomless. Though I can't comment as much on taste, some of the things I noted I didn't mention anyone else say (and I've watched a lot of coffee content lol)
Bought mine on aliexpress
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Thanks for the info :) Yess I've seen them on Aliexpress but couldn't really find one that was not for E61 groups, the new one you ordered comes from there too ? Have fun with it ! xx
@@LinstantEclosion it does indeed! ordered 1, worked great, but sold it because there was no lip on the handle so when I would do the wiggle back flushing the hot water just went all over my hands, so I ordered another and I'll be playing with that soon and perhaps make a video about all that. Stay tuned!
@@LinstantEclosion I reviewed that new bottomless portafilter on my channel if you haven't seen it!
Great video. Thank you. I love your chatty style of presentation.
I’ve just purchased the duo boiler not really knowing much about coffee! I am already falling in love with coffee and the duo boiler.
I think that getting into the science sounds so cool, and I am really impress by your notebook. I would love to see a video on the research you have carried out.
Ken from Southport, UK
I actually do have a video going over some science! ruclips.net/video/fTKRKn2_w0s/видео.html I also have a ton of videos on the BDB and made a playlist on it you should see it on my channel
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Thanks 🤩 I’ll check out those videos.
Great video, I just picked up one of these after using a Barista Pro. All the learning of a new machine is ahead of me, but I love that.
transferable skills! It's just a step up
This video is so helpful. I received the double boiler for Christmas and have no idea how to use. Im coming from a Moka Pot. I would love to see any how to videos for true beginners.
Well done! This really helps. Enjoy your coffee ☕
What a lovely review.
Just purchased this model this video is most helpful thank you.
Stick around! I have a few other videos about breville accessories and such and have some extraction videos in the works
It brings me joy, nice quote
Great video, love seeing you geek out!
More to come!
I used to live in Seattle in the realm of the espresso gods, but that thing does tricks. Coffee science! So true.
The realm of espresso gods is Australia
Oh, and Breville? Australian
Jess awesome video 😆
Great information,
Love my bes920, had it for about 3 years now and I’m always satisfied.
Love your vibe 😊
Thanks 😁 really brings me joy to make my coffee every day. Did you have to replace any parts on it? Still running smooth?
@@GadgetsGearCoffee You are welcome, hehe yes it brings me joy everyday too, and saves me heaps of money 😆
Also yes still running smoothly 😊
Great review. I have a BDB, a Decent DE1XL, and a rocket r nine one. BDB is a great bang for buck machine. It’s a really solid espresso experience. I might slayer mod mine at some point. Hope Lance Hedricks BDB prototype gets released to public!
Now that you have your machine, how do you keep it clean? ruclips.net/video/xNJOS1W1mG4/видео.html
Love how you bring us through…bravo!
Nice review and nice style.
Great review! Thanks for explaining that making really good espresso is a totally understandable path to take.
It really is! I filmed something recently about my espresso journey but more of a point casual chat than pointers but it's really patience and practice
Really enjoying your coffee videos, would love to see a video on your coffee book!
The dual boiler is bang for buck the best coffee machine at that price point especially with the features and mods you can do.
Great work, Jess. I’m sold on the Breville dual Boiler or the std Oracle. They seem to have the right features built in for we that love great coffee, but don’t always have the time to fuss in the morning. Just a few questions:
1. What were your thoughts on the Oracle if you looked at it?
2. Do you know anything about the Breville grinder that seems to be added to make a package with the DB machine? I’m guessing it doesn’t grind for drip coffee.
I enjoy your production with the video and love your scripting. I also guess you’re “ad libbing” when it suits you. I would defiantly like to see you tackle a science of coffee project. That would be fun! Continued success and thanks for content!
Hey David! I don't have the oracle, I've looked at it for fun in the past though, it's great it's the most automated you can get in that price ranger while still being real espresso VS a super auto (unless you get a super auto at 6k+ which can sometimes have actual espresso pressure and such). If you want good espresso, have a higher budget, don't want to put too much work into but still need to dial in, and want something more automated, that's the way to go. If you're gonna be obsessive and perfecting it is your thing, either one works because you can still go more manual with the oracle ans forego the included tamp and grinder.
For the breville grinder I couldn't tell you but there are probably other reviews that can help you! I think it's middle ground like it's not incredible for either pour over or espresso. Generally any grinder will be geared more to one over the other. Even the more expensive ones.
And yes I have général talking points and specs but I honestly don't consult it much which explains why editing becomes a paiiiinnnn. I tried once to stick to it and the video just didn't flow. Much like my coffee, I need to flow. Lol
Ripper vid, Jess. Very comprehensive and well edited vid. Had my DB a few years but only now having the time and inclination to get to know how to use it properly. Many thanks for the tips.
It's quite a fun machine! I have some other coffee content on my channel and gonna make some more since I can't stop buying gear lol. Thank you for the kind words :) have a good one!
Awesome video. Thanks. I just bought this, upgrading from my 2nd Express.
Glad it helped. Come back any time to let others know!
This was a very nice video, which is presented in an engaging way.
Thanks Raph! I strive for useful, informative yet fun :)
Impressive machine 👍🏿
Wow! Awesome review! I just finished repairing the steamer on my second hand machine, following another youtube guide. One thing lead to another, and I found this. Well done!
If you do the slayer mod, I'd LOVE to hear what you think!
Nice review, love your review style. Just boughtbmy first grinder so starting coffee journey. Thanks, enjoy your coffee experiences. 🙂
Great review.
I'm getting a semi-auto on black friday and I'm torn between this and the Gaggia Classic Pro. Decisions!!!
Great video, Jess! Thank you! This is very informative especially for us who just bought it.
I also have a video about cleaning schedule! I have a whole coffee, espresso playlist you may like :) it's a great machine
great review.
I love your work.
Love the passion for the Coffee. You would love Melbourne.
I hear the coffee culture is huge in Aus, I do have a friend there I've been meaning to visit but you know, Covid :\
Thanks very much Jess, this video really helped me. I just got this machine.
Great video!
Enjoyed your review a lot. I have the Barista Express and after 3 years, I'm thinking of stepping up to this machine. If you ever do the Slayer Mod I'd love to see that too! Good luck on your channel, subscribed!
I'm so glad I was able to have a larger budget than I initially planned and got the BDB right off the bat and don't have upgradeitis! I hear the Barista Express makes great coffee though but BDB is definitely a step up
Beautiful explained! Really Looking forward to buy this machine. The only Thing that is bothering me is the durability. I have read from other users that this machine will not last very long and that you have to Do a lot of repairs on your own. If i invest in a machine like this i do not want to buy a new one in a couple of years. What is your experience? Still everything fine?
mine is still fine, I think it's around the 3 year mark you're supposed to change some gaskets and all, I have some pages bookmarked and I guess I'll find out when I get there! It's definitely less easy to repair, it's built differently but if you take care of it, you can keep it for a while. Don't forget a lot of people who do buy this machine aren't very handy or DIY-er, but there are some and they're the ones who left a lot of documentation behind for the rest of us :)
Thank you for this video! Extremely helpful. I have a super-auto but looking to upgrade to the Dual Boiler.
Is there a difference in the taste/quality of a shot from the Dual Boiler vs a super-auto in your opinion? Thanks.
100%. You'll never get the intensity and syrup feel from a super auto (maybe the 6000$ ones but I haven't tried those). When you make an OK cup, it'll taste like a super auto. When you make a good cup, it'll taste like heaven. Get ready to go down the rabbit hole and take some time to learn, it's a constant and humbling journey
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Rabbit hole here I come!!
Great review. Informative with a touch of humor, loving it.
Btw, let's say you didn't have the Breville or any espresso machine but all the knowledge you have now. Would you go with a Gaggia Classic (Pro or not) and mod it yourself? 😎
hmmmm no. It's a great machine for sure, but you have to pay a lot more attention to things because there are way less features and since it's not a dual boiler, it's "more work" and timing to figure out the steam for the latte art. It's a smaller machine and if you don't mind putting in more work it's great, and ya there are some PID mods and such. If you don't drink milk based, it's much easier.
Great review. Thank you!
My wife wakes up happy everyday, I wake up for coffee everyday! haha
she wakes up happy because she knows she gets a wonderful yummy cup of homemade spro every morning? happy wife happy life :) it's the little things!
@@GadgetsGearCoffee that's very true! Haha I'm just about to order the DB so really useful video :-)
@@jconcoffee affiliate links in the description to buy 😉and come back and share your experience with it!
Great vid! Thanks!
Just got this baby, need a few tools (namely a wdt, proper tamper & tamp bay) but my shot with a niche zero was soo good compared to my 5 year old barista express.
you are JUST in luck, I'm releasing a video (should be this Friday) about all the tools to get or not with the BDB Dual Boiler! stay tuned! I have 2 other all the espresso tools videos, though it's probably time for a full revision by now
There's even one more menu! Hold down the one and two cup buttons for a couple of seconds and then also press the power button. You now have diagnostic menu open. Press menu and you will see the shot count (divided by 10). Press menu again and you can use the up and down buttons to see if you have any faults. You can also reset the fault codes from here.
So many menus!
Hope to see some videos of your shot pulling process. Very interested in this "appliance?".
What type of coffee content do you wanna see? I don't feel I would add that much value to the coffee world with all the other coffee pros out there, I do have my notes and my experience but I'm also no pro.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Can you go over pulling a shot using the manual and programmable buttons? I know you touched on it in this video but I'd like to see more in-depth use of the preinfusion feature and if that can be programmed.
Great video
Awesome ! Just got mine today, upgraded from...guess what, Barista Express :) It served me well, died conveniently just after the extended warranty was over :)
I had a breville for 10 years but had it in storage for a year and I think that caused internal damage and could not find any where who could repair it for me. That was a great machine but I went to La Pavoni for my new one because I had always wanted a lever machine and the entire thing can be repaired by me
Great video. You covered all of the bases with enough detail. I love your passion. I can relate. It is a great machine. I wish they built in that Slayer mod without having to give up the hot water outlet.
ya that would have been nice but you can't get it all and maybe there are some complications with the device that Breville just chose not to do it. It seems really targeted to a specific customer base though the BDB seems to be a different target than they anticipated - as in, there are way too many handholding instructions everywhere on the levers and such and an espresso enthusiast, or anyone really that's a bit more technically inclined would not need.
As for the water outlet, I have one of these amzn.to/3zFAu8s so I don't need the water outlet.
Wish they made it more compact, too much space in there but I'm no engineer so I'm not sure if that was space was left for heat reasons, I suspect it's cost savings though and they reused the same shell and mould as Oracle.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee It is a beast. I like the heated grouphead, pre-infusion, the programmable turn on time, the programmable buttons for time or volume, the wheel for moving it around the counter and the pressure guage and for a great price!
Just found this Video, very nice :)
Love your review, great job. and I love watching James Hoffmann to, he has allot of great videos.
He is the OG of RUclips coffee
Terrific video, Jess! You mentioned two names of other coffee gurus: I am very familiar with James Hoffmann (legend) - but who was the other? Matt somebody? I couldn't make out the name - Thank you!
at what point of the video? I can't recall 😅
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Oh yeah - You made this a year ago - I figured that because I watched it today it would be fresh in your memory, too. Ego is a funny thing. You say the names between 16:00 - 16:10 (sounds like Matt Kroger? I looked but couldn't find...).
@@jasonahlstrom769 Matt Perger
Great video! Curious if you would pick DB or Ascaso Steel duo
fun fact, originally was getting the Ascaso Dream with PID, ordered it but they messed up inventory and the white wasn't in so I went back into research mode and settled on the BDB instead, happy accident on that one (aesthetically uglier but functionally/feature better). It's a shame Ascaso doesn't have a lot of marketing or popularity, though I've read some steam wand leaking issues.
The Steel Duo is pretty, but duo thermoblocks, doesn't have as many features, the water tank location isn't great for my kitchen set up and I love the easy fill on the BDB. Prefer the steam lever to the push toggle button on the Steel Duo.
Though the features I did like on the Ascaso (dream and steel duo) is the adjustable OPV on the outside. That's something I wish BDB had, no burn steam wand, volumetric shot "timer".
Love the aesthetics of the Steel Duo though, if I had to buy again today, all things considered, still the BDB but it's a close call.
@@GadgetsGearCoffeesame boat and about to finally decide on the BDB. Only thing holding me back is the Lelit Elizabeth. Just think the Lizzie will be too annoying to refill and that's about it lol
@@PowerTaco23 that is something to facotr in for sure, filling in the BDB from the front is infinitely easier and I would personally be annoyed by having to move the machine to refill since I can't access it easily under my cabinets. Also, if the LELIT's tank capacity is smaller, you'll be doing that more often!
Hey Jess,
Great video and so much enthusiasm, which is refreshing to view. I have a question. As I have seen many times, lots of people start their time when the first drop hits the bottom of the glass. How does this machine deal with that? And also with pre infusion, do you start the time when the first drop hits the glass? Love to hear your feedback.
Alex
I start my timer (well the BDB starts their timer) as soon as you hit the button to start extraction which INCLUDES pre-infusion. I found this works well for me anyway, I've left the default pre-infusion time and flow rate. IF the roaster has an espresso recipe, I go based off that to help me. Otherwise, my handy dandy book of notes is what I use as a reference along with the pressure indicator (range of 8.5-9.5 at its peak) + the coffee stream it makes is what I'm using more than the duration and time. But for time, I go off roast level to figure out what duration I go for. But I'm far from an expert or connoisseur and if I mess up the syrup and milk I put in my drink can usually cover up most of the mess up.
I've seen a lot of theories of when to start it and when not to start the timer. Most of the time I've seen that you start it as soon as water hits the puck even in pre-infusion. But I'm sure you'll find another expert explain a different reason and have their own methods and reasons as to why. I think if you pick one method and stick with it and don't play with the pre-infusion variables, then it'll work.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee thanks so much for the detailed explanation. I would love to purchase the BDB, but we need to move find a bigger home with a bigger kitchen lol. Cheers
Alex
@@donalehandr0s or if you can squeeze in a separate kitchen island for it like a small cart for just coffee.
Are you still happy with your purchase ? I’m hesitating between the BDB, Lelit Mara X or Ascaso duo 🤷🏼♀️I’m just drinking milk based drinks otherwise I use my aeropress.
Very happy :) One of my best COVID purchases
BDB is the cheaper of all those machines. I haven't played with the others but I am so so happy with mine as is, and from my understanding, you won't get as many features on others.
I was actually going to originally get the Ascaso Dream, the reason I didn't is they messed up my order and the white was on backorder. I don't think you'd go wrong with either but you'll have to factor in what's more important and see which of the 3 hits the spot for you.
Thank you for the review Jess. I bought a Breville Oracle Touch in December, it died on me and returning it this week for a refund. I now am considering another machine and on my short list is the Breville Dual Boiler, so the one you unboxed and reviewed here. It was a year ago, do you still feel the same way about it? I'm opting for that one as I want more control therefore, a standalone grinder. My other two choices are also dual boilers but a little more pricy. Thanks! Mike
it's actually been 2 years I believe! And I still love it, I still don't like its design but the features and cups I get out of it is amazing. Please come back with an update if you do get it
I have affiliate links in my description as well that will help support the channel at no extra cost should you get it! thanks :)
Did you end up doing the slayer mod? Am grappling with this same question myself!
Great review!!
Not yet, every time I get a handle on espresso and milk frothing, something sets me back and I have to go back to the basics so that's been keeping me busy lol
Ciao Jess, loved your content on the bdb and got one. Arrived today and first cups were amazing! Big improvement from my rancilio silvia v2. What do you use the included milk pitcher for? It looks too big for 1 cappuccino and too small for 2. Can you do a turbo shot video with baratza 7 and bdb? Thanks and greetings from Italy
I stored it (don't use it) and got another one instead! I talk about it here ruclips.net/video/IwGtkA752Zs/видео.html
I got this one (don't know if it'll work where you are) amzn.to/3mnIIga 12oz
This is a great video and so informative! Sadly many of your affiliate links don't work though!
sometimes that happens if there are stock issues but I just tested all of them and they all worked for me
Good review, and I've liked the follow up vids on it you've done too.
I got this machine recently (the duo combo that has the grinder).
p.s. your affiliate link for the USA Dual Boiler seems to be broken.
Thank you :) feel free to come back and let us know how you like it. And thanks for letting me know about the affiliate link - I think the machine on its own (not grinder combo) selling out on Amazon so the SKUs keep getting removed.
Enjoyed your video
Thanks, buying it now.
Nice video! Love your presentation style! One question: can the machine be switched on from the power outlet? I'm thinking of getting a wifi-enabled wall plug that I can switch on remotely, so that by the time I get down to the kitchen, the machine is already warm and ready to go.,
Why would you do that, there is a auto start timer on the BDB
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Coz I got unpredictable work roster (critical care doc working random hours including nights)...would be nice to be able to switch the machine on remotely so that when I get home or to the kitchen it will be ready.
@@drandrewtan ahhh I see, I don't think a smart plug would work since there's an actual button to push.
In which case you'd get amzn.to/3UiuzAf that you can set timers and if you wanted to control that with your smart home as well and voice control you'd pair it with amzn.to/3F83pHP
Happy New Year! How did the dual boiler stand against time? Any issues with it? I consider buying one
so far no problems, still love it :) I use the filter and all for the water, I clean it regularly, see my video on cleaning! ruclips.net/video/xNJOS1W1mG4/видео.html
@@GadgetsGearCoffee I watched it already! I have a reverse osmosis filtering system so I won’t need to descale the machine ever. Right now I am using a Lelit Machine with PID but no preinfusion.
@@georgek6322 I have a video on light roasts and manual long pre-infusion as well that might interest you
@@GadgetsGearCoffee I watched it! 🤣🤣 How much is the total extraction time when using so large prenifusion times? Also it’s important to increase temperature when dealing with light roasts. It will change the flavor dramatically for the better.
Jess, all of my witty repartee was lost when you re-uploaded!
I think sharing the insights of your specific workflow will be both interesting and engaging. Especially if you share what you’ve solved for in perfecting workflow for your preferred beverages
How do you feel about having two separate counter occupying devices?
I’d love the Breville DB if they added their “super grinder” (from the Oracle Touch?) to the next version.
I agree with your analysis that this semi-auto hits the best performance to value of the dual boiler “machines”.
Everything else being equal do you find you are making better shots/drinks when compared to the Cadorna?
A bientôt
Jeff
it was an oversight, I was doing last minute color correcting and I didn't realize the mask actually impacts the final video export, it was actually in 2 spots! so thanks for pointing those out. I will have to be more careful next time.
Did you watch the video end to end? A lot of people click out lol my content isn't for those people. My videos are as long as they need to be for me to provide a complete story. I'm not just going to read specs off a sheet that you can easily find online.
Now to answer your questions:
How do you feel about having two separate counter occupying devices?
>That bothered me at first. I had such a minimal counter space for my pour overs before that occupied so little space and made my minimalist heart happy and now I have not 1 but 2 clunky items that dwarf my hot water dispenser (might make a video of my coffee journey, I dunno if that's content people care for or one that I care for rather). In terms of workflow I'm not walking more than 3 steps to go from one side to the other so it's not a big deal.
I’d love the Breville DB if they added their “super grinder” (from the Oracle Touch?) to the next version.
>is the Oracle Touch a better grinder than the one on the Breville Barista Express and their Smart grinder? the whole idea of BDB is not having the grinder and having just the espresso machine. The Oracle Touch is basically the DBD more automated with the grinder, so there is no need for them to add a new product. But maybe they will cuz they have like 10 versions of their lower end machines, but at a higher price bracket and probably lesser sales, it's probably not worth it for them to do.
I agree with your analysis that this semi-auto hits the best performance to value of the dual boiler “machines”.
Everything else being equal do you find you are making better shots/drinks when compared to the Cadorna?
>Absolutely. I'm getting syrupy goodness, this morning I literally did that, pause and look at the drink with an inquisitive face and said out loud: nom nom nom. So yes.
btw Jeff, you didn't like (thumbs up) the video? what's up with that? lol and you'll have tons of other opportunities for witty comments. Looking forward to it 😛
@@GadgetsGearCoffee So I liked the first upload and then wrote an extensive and witty series of comments which you then deleted when you removed the video, as I was watching it for the second time. Next time you upload I’m gonna wait until I write anything just in case
@@GadgetsGearCoffee So. Yep I watched your video until the end, three times to be exact. Don’t think I asked for any specs, nor for you to read them so I’m not sure what you are referring to.
Yes the grinder on the Oracle Touch is their upgraded ceramic burrs with more settings than the BBE or BBP. I personally don’t want a touch screen, just another thing that can fail. Some coffee RUclipsrs have reported significantly improved grinder results from the grinder in the Oracle Touch compared to the BBE.
As to your coffee journey, I think there’s an interesting story to be told; of how the pandemic led you to have to create for yourself what it wasn’t so easy for you to procure at work or from a vendor on the way to the office, leading you down a rabbit hole to a new hobby with a delicious finale.
You might never have discovered your desire to play with the science of coffee and its results.
I know that I have traveled down a similar path during the past year, Pakt coffee travel kit, Comandante C40 hand grinder, Aram manual espresso maker, to the Gaggia Cadorna (the latter is mostly your fault). It will resonate with some of the folks who come to your channel and potentially they will become subscribers.
Cheers
@@JeffJacquesmd the comment about specs was more: I know my videos can be long for some but I go beyond just reading the specs, and asking if you watched it til the end was just me being impressed you watched til the end. I don't pay attention all that much to my stats but sometimes when I'm on the creator side I glance at them and a lottttt of people click out after a few minutes (but I believe this is the case for all creators, especially when things are longer format) - it wasn't an attack on you, if anything I am impressed! And happy? It was like a compliment and thank you
an integrated grinder would be nice to reduce space, though it would reduce the cup warmers on the top (truthfully I only need 2 cups up there, the espresso cups are just for show I've never used them lol). Though the argument is if it breaks, then you have that big pile of hunk just sitting there. Come to think of that, I think all that empty space in the BDB I noticed is probably to account for the grinder. I didn't check but I suspect that the Oracle Touch and the BDB have the same outer dimensions and same casing (I had filmed something about this but decided to cut it out).
Really like your style. Would like to see some actual shot pulling. I have a pre 2013 model Infuser which means it doesn't have temperature control. I thought about getting DB but don't drink lots of milk drinks. An occasional cappuccino or Machiatto but mostly Long Black so don't need to steam milk and brew simultaneously. Would you suggest I get a newer model Infuser or a BE PRO since I don't need DB?
I don't know enough about those other machines to say but what about looking outside of breville? I think you'd find what you're looking for on other machines.
From what I gather, BDB would be overkill but it's a completely different beast. Different heating systems. BDB has the présure gauge with actual psi, temperature control and I don't think you get that with the BE pro.
Is the water filter absolutely necessary, or can you just not install it? My water is already at 15-20mg calcium and I fear softening it even more will impact flavor negatively
No you don't have to
This video was made some ago but hope you can answer. I’ve had a Rocket Giotto for about 5 years now and is starting to have issues. It should have lasted much longer but after trying a couple things myself, it seems it has to be shipped to the store I bought it from for repairs…………..no local Rocket repair services. Concerns are shipping costs, possible shipping damage and repair costs. I’m not really sure that I want to put myself through that. So looking at the Breville dual boiler. I have some concerns though. The steam wand seems weak in terms of power. How well can it make a cappuccino? I understand that the Breville has a vibrating pump which I’m told is not as consistent and durable as rotary pumps. I’m also concerned that the steel coating will scratch and the plastic will show right through the scratches. Last but certainly not least, is taste. How does it rank? Any feedback?
I love mine. I haven't played with others so I can't really say about the steam wand but it's amazing value for feature
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Thank you. Would you be able to tell me how well the wand froths for cappuccino? I was wondering if there have been any improvements since it was first introduced?
Did a bit more research and seems that the wand is weak but beautiful machine with nice menu. However, because of the weak steam and plastic construction, I’ll have to go with the Rocket. Thanks for your informative video.
Me too have this machine and am equally impressed. Have you also got an aeropress? But anyways, so the espresso gets you out of bed, maybe you need a motorcycle to get you to work, many mornings I would feel like chucking a sickie but I enjoy my ride to work so I get up and go
oh trust me I've thought about a motorcycle quite often, I have a few friends/coworkers who have motorcycles too and I'm tempted but seeing how clumsy I am I feel like it's not a good choice for me :D so I put that idea away. I've been looking at motorcycle looking e-bikes instead. And no aero press for me, with a BDB I don't feel I need that, but I will be getting back to some pour overs - just waiting for my Arco kickstarter grinder to arrive (fall 2021, fingers crossed)
@@GadgetsGearCoffee e-bikes equally cool for commuting, my ride is 20kms & do-able on an e-bike with roughly an hour each way. My motorbike is about 15 minutes each way, I don't even want to think about public transport. Now aeropress, is perhaps a coffee delight yet to have your interest at all, but I am certain you could squeeze out a decent brew with your Arco when it arrives 😉
What is a single boiler version of this machine? Is it the bambino??
That's funny, I also had a super-auto for a couple weeks, an ancient Gaggia Titanium, and decided it wasn't for me. After a bunch of research I just decided to get the Breville dual boiler too. Can't wait to get it! Great review!
Feel free to come back and report your experience!
The past two month with the Breville db have been excellent. I love it!
Hi Jess! Thanks for the video :)
Do you have a recommended dose using the stock portafilter basket? I can’t find this information anywhere.
I’ve tried everything from 18-22g with varying results. Most of the espresso videos suggest fixing your dose before playing with the other factors (like grind size, ratio, etc).
I’ve had my DB for about a month now and I still can’t seem to find the right dose 😕 and as a result, I still can’t find the reason why my shots are coming out with so many issues (puck too dry, pressure too low, taste very sour or bitter…I’ve had them all). I really would like to just fix the dose first before working out all the other kinks. RIP all my wasted coffee..
Thanks for all that you do! Coffee is truly a science and takes a lot of time to get good at!
Hey Carl, I feel you. From my understanding the basket is 18-21g. For dark roasts I typically do 18-18.5 and light roasts 19-20g.
Really focus well on puck prep. You can't rush or skip it. Really get those grinds nice and even. There's also such a thing as grinding too fine. I went through an entire bag once unable to dial in realizing after extraction gets weird after a certain point of grinding
You may also need to open up the BDB to adjust the OPV, this will void the warranty.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Thank you so much! I will definitely try those dose suggestions.
As for puck prep, do you have any other videos or suggestions? I am currently using a distributor tool and the stock tamper, plus a makeshift WDT that I made out of a corkscrew and toothpicks 😆
@@cwu98 you can check out my tamper review. It helps take out some human error, but otherwise practice practice practice. Coffee is very humbling, in my humble opinion :p you absolutely could master the stock tamper but it's not a good one and it's not a tight fit at all similar to Matow, I show it here:
ruclips.net/video/D_ohKWnd5vI/видео.html
not having that tight fit for the tamper means you're not pushing the grinds down evenly, leaving a ring not well pushed and that will increase chances of channeling and uneven extraction
Do you need a special basket for backflushing?
I use the blind disc that comes with the BDB
What a nerd! (sub'd)
🤓 Guilty
@10:15 yes, please make a video on the cleaning schedule. I just bought one!
I did! Lol It's my latest video on my channel :)
After having this for a year what’s your final impressions? Any regrets? Was going to buy a Gaggia Classic Pro but found someone selling this system locally for $700 so was thinking about buying that instead.
I haven't had much experience with other ones and I still love it! I still don't love the design overall how it looks but the features, the smart designs like filling the water from the front all so useful
@@GadgetsGearCoffee I love the features I just worry about the durability and longevity of the machine. I have read it’s really hard to get parts.
@@mazzith I read it's possible to fix yourself but not as easy but if you're someone who's generally handy, it can be figured out
You have a nice watch! What watch is that? I love open heart watches!!
it's a very vintage Vulcain you won't be able to purchase from the 70s I believe, a his and hers watch (this is the his, my mom has the hers). Very difficult to repair or get parts because it's not that popular of a movement inside (spent way too much on fixing it up). I've never been able to find anything that comes close to that to buy again, if ever you find a sleek minimalist open heart watch, I'm all ears!
@@GadgetsGearCoffee oh right okay, nice!
Talk about price increase within a year. Currently "on sale" at $1999 CAD; retail price $2600. Yikes.
Covid, transportation costs... Prices went up for literally everything :/ somehow baratza grinders didn't
What's your experience with the 20 min auto off feature? Is it annoying?
I'm pretty sure mine shuts off after 1 hour, I think that's something you can change in the settings?
@@GadgetsGearCoffee oh hmm, 1 hour is definitely enough. I wonder if 20 min is a newer thing, and yeah, if it's changeable. I guess I'll have to buy it and figure out :) thanks!
I bought this exact machine a few years ago. The first two months, it made amazing espresso, but now every time I make it, it turns out burnt/bitter or taste is off so I rarely use it. Unsure why, I am not doing anything different from those first two months I had it, use fresh beans. I've cleaned it too.
couldn't tell you why but try to go back to basics in learning the ins and outs of espresso. Start from scratch. Espresso is finicky, I've been at it several times a day, different beans, for 6 months now and I still don't always get it perfectly. I improve slightly day by day, 2 steps forward 1 step back sometimes. I taste more and more nuances so it's an ongoing process.
Check your grinder! How clean is it? Is the grinder sharp and clean, etc.?
How long does the dual boiler steam the 200g of milk up to the temperature?
Like 10-15s maybe?
What was the pressure issue you were describing?
the max pressure was too low, had to open it up and adjust the OPV
@@GadgetsGearCoffee hey Jess new fan, great videos. Heading to town to buy the BDB in a couple of days. This pressure thing (OPV), was this an issue with your machine, or is it something you’d recommend doing for a better coffee? (With full understanding of warranty implications) cheers! From Aus.
Hi thanks for the video. I purchased it and love it. I would like to purchase a distributor/tamper. Can you recommend one?
Funny you ask! I released a video of a tamper with a tight fit yesterday! And I have another for budget accessories you can check out
Can confirm, my knob sometimes leaks...
Does this machine come in other colours?
I think black but I customized my own color ruclips.net/video/RjjcM8aSh-E/видео.html
@@GadgetsGearCoffee that’s fantastic! Thank you so much for the quick response. You got yourself a new subscriber. )
Could you show how to adjust the pressure?
Australian made, Australian quality, I also have one, frigging amazing. Greetings from Australia
I have an aussie friend who told me how big coffee culture is there. Excited to visit one day
@@GadgetsGearCoffee please come for a visit, you will love it here, and the coffee culture is crazy here, are you in the USA or are you in Canada? I
@@kos492 Canadian! Born and raised
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Canada is on our bucket list. That'll be our next trip. When borders open up. Exactly 4 years ago I was in Alaska and visited Victoria British Columbia, grew up with Ozzie mate of mine who now lives in Halifax Nova Scotia, cheers
@@kos492 wow that's west coast and easy coast! Every one of our provinces are quite different though you can kind-of skip the middles one 😬 minus Banff. That place is magical and I highly suggest, it hugs parts of BC so you can easily squeeze that in
Very interested in a video on cleaning!
funny you should mention that, it's on my list of videos to do! I'm waiting for the descale to have a complete video but it might take a while since my water isn't all that hard. Make sure to subscribe and click the BELL 🔔 notification so you don't miss it! Stay tuned!
If pooooooossible, could you compare to Rocket Apartamento??? Plz & Ty🙃🙃🙃
If I could get my hands on one but I don't see that happening :/ or when my channel gets huge enough I have the budget for it
You can find a comparison of the two, on RUclips from Seattle Coffee Gear. The Apartamento has a better motor, better casing and more power. The Breville has all the extra bells and whistles while the Apartamento is a classic, basic Italian espresso machine.
You hit the nail on the head, it does make really good coffee but you can't fix it, it isn't meant to last more than 5 years and then it is landfill. I had one, it made great coffee for 5 years of once-a day use and then it stopped working. I replaced it with something that is meant to last and has parts that are replaceable. This really is something worth considering for environmental concerns.
Not necessarily. If you're handy, it is quite easy to upkeep, there are lots of resources online highlighting what to upkeep when and what to buy (gaskets, etc) so even though the company doesn't want you to fix it, you actually can!
Now let me explain to you how to use this machine, *proceeds to pull out rocket science book*
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@@GadgetsGearCoffee doesn't stop me from buying it though 🤪. I was looking for videos to convince me to get this machine
@@Michael194 I thought the rocket science book helped 😂
@@GadgetsGearCoffee well to be honest, it came down more to a price comparison. There were machines out there that I liked more, since I like to always set the parameters myself and the look and feel of it are a bit too modern to me. I can pick a second hand one up for 500 euros though with warranty included so to me thats an absolute steal.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee I haven't bothered with the science part yet, I'm sure one of these days I'll have one of those myself 😂. I do have some ratios in my mind that I generally use but thus far the only machines I've had have been the sage precision brewer, a mokka pot and a French press along with a hand grinder.
$1399 in canada？ its less than $800 aud in australia(before covid) and $950 right now( with covid tax)
Damn lucky that makes it way more affordable I think our money is close to 1:1