Hi everyone! Even though my video was 19 minutes and 49 seconds in length, the video gets cut off at 17 minutes 42 seconds. I have literally no explanation as to why that is, but I'll try and get the full version working with another upload soon. Here's the video with the ending for those interested! - ruclips.net/video/fJqDqhOxZE0/видео.html
Authenticity went out the window in the fifties. Somewhere under the surface of all this criticism is the green-eyed monster. I don’t think guys like Don Henley in his seventies need to be embarrassed to sing along to the studio recordings of what 25 year old Don did fifty years ago. Whether I agree with his politics, his choice in musical expression or not, he gave himself away in some sense for music. The need to jump through hoops of Internet fetish mongers is over for him and most other accomplished artists.
@@christiansmakingmusic777 Except it may end up in a Millie Vanilli like legal mess where the Eagles get sued for fraud. Because that is exactly what it is. Not presenting a genuinely sung live performance yet charging astronomical prices and claiming you are. I personally won't attend another Eagles concert again.
I have just watched on RUclips a Live Peter Frampton concert that was on the 13th September, two and a quarter hours long and Peter has to sit down because of a muscle wasting disease, he is 74 and still plays and sings all Live, no miming or auto tune, I recommend it to anyone who is a fan of Peter, the loveliest, humble man.
Absolutely , America are also doing the same with no enhancements , I'd like to see an analysis like this on Gerry Beckley ! Fil has reviewed them before but only as a live performance , he didn't use this equipment as a comparison ! Daisy Jane would be a good choice .
You are a master at what you do. I'm a retired engineer and know your processes are correct, accurate and honest. You are analyzing audio tracks as they were recorded and meticulously matching them up to almost nanoseconds to compare them. No one has the right to challenge raw data that you are presenting to us. Ignore those children-minded people.
Con Henley will be LIVID when he sees/hears this gem. Thanks for busting this industry myth. Hopefully something good will eventually come out of it. Awesome work, bro.
@@MattE174I can hear those keys furiously tapping emails telling the lawyers to "STOP THIS GUY ON THE INTERNET, NOW! WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO, JUST STOP HIM!"
So glad you stick to your guns with this! It’s not right to pay to see these bands (and the tickets aren’t cheap) perform live only to get lip syncing!
Ha! Just had the same thought. At least, as far as the new versions Fil looked at in this video, the takes aren't pitch-corrected like in Fil's original analysis...
RUclips and Don Henley are a perfect fit for each other: unfriendly, mean spirited and greedy. A big corporate stance is to be expected from the likes of RUclips, but this sort of nastiness and deceit by Don Henley and the Eagles has nothing to do with artistic integrity and as such, should be called out for what it is. Well Done Fil, as always.
Being huge Eagles fan for goodness 50+ years I find this so, so sad. If I was lucky enough to ever afford a ticket to see them would want to hear them singing live. Live performances are not meant to be record quality, but paying so much I would feel betrayed not to hear live singing. I might as well watch a video in the comfort of my front room and it would be a lot cheaper! Cheers Fil, for all you do. Thoroughly enjoy the channel. Long Live LIVE music! 🤘
Yep, this really sucks. My son took me to an Eagles concert as a Father’s Day gift a number of years ago and more likely than not, wasn’t “live”. Who knows, the band members may have been body doubles haha.
Like you I'm a huge eagles fan and I have loved the music they have made over the years But fils videos have shown they are not singing live which dissapoints me because I used to tell people my favourite concert was the eagles concert at murrayfield in scotland
I have absolutely no musical ability. Last time I did anything musical was singing in my high school choir and I'm 63 years old now. I failed at learning the piano and the guitar in my youth. However, I understand your presentations and can see how right you are in cases of lip-synced or mimed vocals. I find what you do fascinating as someone with more of a science background (I edited scientific publications for many many years) I can see when the data doesn't lie. So I'm not sure how so many professed musical experts think your data is bogus or that you are motivated by envy or an evil desire for capturing views. Keep on telling the truth!
I'm the same age as you and I was an abject musical failure as well. I cannot hear the difference from one key to the other. But I have an academic background in business and yes data trumps what an individual thinks or feels.
One doesn't fail at music. If you suck, you can become a wealthy pop musician like Swift or Sheeran. If you have ability, you become a poor jazz musician with a handful of fans (most of them family).
Yep. In order for those three live performances to stay that well in sync-obviously, at the VERY least-the keyboardist & drummer are playing to a click track they’re hearing in headphones (or a surreptitiously-worn earbuds). But _really_ it’s sounding more and more like it’s a pre-record.
Ella sang live without vocal enhancement into her 70’s. So did Ernestine Anderson. These are musicians who sing. Singers are like birds. We’re in it for the s-o-u-n-d
Ernestine shout out! I saw Nancy Wilson s last NYC show in 2011. She said she had one more show and was stopping. I loved Nancy Wilson for many reasons; her stopping while still ""on her game" was admirable.
If you wanted to hear exactly the same performance, you would simply listen to the same recording over and over. What an artist can do with a song from performance to performance is what is so beautiful. I don’t understand why the music industry thinks we want to listen to robots. Love what you are doing to bring awareness.
Has more to do with mainstream music is full of performers with poor musical abilities. Most are unable to come close to what their polished, enhanced studio cuts present.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee Les Paul would speed up his recordings in the studio and put it out on albums. (I'm guessing like 5 times as fast.) Very common to manipulate album recordings into things that aren't possible in a live setting.
I am a singer who has done band and solo performances for 50 years. I've played this and other songs hundreds of times. I can tell you that you settle into what you feel is your best rendition of any particular song and stick with it. So your performances will get pretty similar each time... but never exactly the same! I may have sung a couple dozen other songs before I do this one. I may be fighting a cold. I may be tired because I was working in my yard that day. Whatever... it makes my performances feel fresh. No click track. And yet...I've played and sung (in the studio!) with a click track, and even then...you drift a bit. It is impossible to play it exactly the precise same way every time. I don't care if you are a drummer, guitarist, bassist, keyboardist or singer...you are not a machine.
Well done Fil, I'm glad you call this out. I was going to see them at the Sphere but it's very expensive. Now I see I can just buy a DVD instead! I always liked live music because it sounds different and they interact with the audience. But having an artist miming defeats the purpose.
What a mess we have seen our Fil help to expose over the last month or so. While it is difficult to see all this, it is necessary for the integrity of the music industry.
Fil always seems a nice fellow to me, but it’s not likely that he is THE voice keeping integrity in music. Eventually this gig is going to fade. I hope he keeps making music. I’m sure he never intended to be the guy who reads the pitch monitoring charts on the nightly news.
@@christiansmakingmusic777, While I also hope that Fil keeps making music, I appreciate his efforts to promote transparency in the music industry. His petition needs more exposure. He’s got something else in the works, too.
I agree. Performers should have to disclose if there are prerecorded vocals, instruments, etc. - and state to what degree (ie: predefined levels). I mean, it seems obvious, but it’s such a fraud. It’s false advertising unless this information is disclosed on ads and any promo materials/interviews, at the time of ticket purchase, and announced live before the concert. I’m sure lots of people will still want to see the show for the group experience and nostalgic purposes, but most people wouldn’t want to pay mega bucks if they knew they’re not actually doing live vocals and instruments. Maybe putting laws into effect would change their tune where they either perform every note and lyric live or disclose that they’re acting to backing tracks - the latter might lead them to have to lower ticket prices, but it’s better than totally being out of work (and might actually gain a lot of respect and sales for the honesty/integrity). Speaking of fraud and false advertising, I wonder if you can call a credit card company to say you didn’t get the advertised “product” in reality to get your money back.
@MashaT22 that's a good idea. Because it is fraudulent to say something is "live" but it's not completely live. Frankie Valli comes to mind. I get that people want to see a legend but if that legend is literally a puppet is it worth it?
Played a show with them as a background musician a few years ago. We had to sign NDAs (this was weird in its own right as no other group I’ve played background for has ever done this…), so all I can say is, “I can neither confirm nor deny that almost the entire show may or may not have been playback”. Take that as you will.
Anyone remember Millie Vanilli getting tarred and feathered. Maybe they didn’t have the right talent, but these guys do. I’m not paying several $100 to hear recordings.
in some cases 10,000 US dollars a ticket for concerts, can you imagine? I would not be able to afford such a thing, but I certainly don't want to pay to see someone lip-synching etc. my hubby plays with a local band. It is so fun, and they are really very good - even surprised me - so I will go see them and bands like them and put a donation in. Of course, I live in Mississippi - we moved from Philly - and I found that are lots of incredibly talented musicians here who have day jobs and play gigs in little shacks - literally - for fun in the evenings. Maybe it is because with no internet or even phone lines, there really isn't much else to do here.
I downloaded that app, and tried to sing the exact same thing twice. Turned out completely different. Maybe I’m just bad at singing. So I snapped my fingers twice. This _also_ turned out as two completely differently shaped lines. You can’t even replicate a simple *snap* perfectly. Think about that.
Use a musical instrument like piano or guitar. Take the piano and hit the middle C while recording. Repeat that and remember to use the same pressure as the first. Then compare. Or pluck the high open E string on a guitar etc. Snapping the fingers is way to hard to repeat reliably IMHO.
And just think about the ridiculous prices they're charging people for those "shows" too!!! Rip off is an understatement. This is theft by deception!!!
My mom just used this “70s slang” the other day talking about the fact there is no way to prove anything on the news is true unless you were there yourself.
For those of us who tried Memorex tapes in the 70s, we found it was crap and thereafter avoided it, preferring to stick with TDK and Maxell. They did, however, have clever cases, but that had no effect on the quality of the tape.
Fil, you're like the masked magician. You're exposing what studio managers/artists are doing, which is deceiving audiences and fans. Thank you, and continue the good works.
And, if the Eagles are doing it, what other classic rock artist is doing it? Takes the fun right out of attending a concert when you have to be thinking - are these live vocals and instruments being played or miming to backing tracks.
Aerosmith and Huey Lewis and the News have both retired because they can no longer perform to what they believe is necessary for the audience. Good for their honesty. I wonder if this would be going on where Glen Fry still alive.
I suspect they just swapped out one pre-recorded vocal for another prerecorded vocal. When they last played it live legitimately, it was tuned down a whole step. I doubt Henley would go back up to the original key years later after singing it lower for years.
@@ToddSauve he could bring down an out-of-reach note by going down a third. No shame in that. A 70 year old Ella sang as well if not better than her 20 year old self.
Yes, I wondered the same thing about Don Henley singing it back in the original key 9 years after being down a tone. I wondered if they have recorded two or 3 pre-recorded vocals that they are rotating now in these Las Vegas performances, to try to keep people from catching on. And why would they not have a live piano? You can't find a piano player in Las Vegas??
Hi Fil, FIghting the good fight for honesty in the music world! You have done a great job on yet another Eagles video! You are doing great work, Fil! Thanks for bringing this to us! Yes, they have literally changed their tune! However, have they forgotten how to play their instruments and now have to rely on click tracks and backing tracks ??? Good one , Fil! 💜
Long time viewer. And long time fan of you calling these guys out. I always make sure to pass this information along to people who may not know. Also -- my opinion? It's a backing track. If they'll do it with the vocals, why wouldn't they do it with the instrumentals? Thank you, Fil.
Don Henley is doing everything possible to ensure that The Eagles music will be forgotten within the next 30 years. And I wish him the best of luck in that worthy endeavour.
Awesomely put! The root of his behavior was probably to ensure there would be no videos of him lip-synching Or piping in the instruments, but I guess he cut off his nose to spite his face. Despite whatever heir he has. When collateral damage becomes total damage.
@@BillAshley-qb2bw Not exactly sure what the objective is, both for faking it and for being the ultimate RUclips vigilante, but if I were to guess I'd say it's pure short term greed. He knows he's hated, both on SM and amongst his peers, but that doesn't seem to bother him. Sad part is he is taking great songs like Hotel California and dumping them in the graveyard of forgotten music, because that is where they will end up if no one is exposing their work to newer generations.
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Just say it for God's sake... the Eagles believe they are entitled to our $$ with minimal effort. What a joke.
Absolutely, with the ironical thing being that it probably takes much much more effort to get the Fakery right then it is to play it straight and authentically. What a Scandal.
Fil you are the man!!! (Yes, I'm old but you understand I hope). Congrats for pointing this out to begin with and for sticking to the truth. Btw, my brother in law just went to a Three Dog Night concert and said it wasn't good. So everyone needs to accept the fact that you could be disappointed. I still believe honesty is still the best policy.
Good for you!! So happy this video happened. I was at a Pat Benatar show in August in Phx and our air quality sucks! During Hell Is For Children, she stopped and said “I can’t do this with the desert air” It was a bit of a bummer, but better than being deceived. She ended up singing other stuff! Even if you’re not a musician, it’s understandable that the voice goes just like every other organ or part of the body!! Just do your best or stop touring. No fake crap!!
To the musicians who think we don't want to hear your natural voice any longer: You are wrong. I was very fortunate to hear Gordon Lightfoot shortly before he died. His voice did not have the strength he once had when he was younger, but his heart and spirit still came through. I truly appreciated his performance. Indeed, it was an honor and a privilege to be allowed to hear this incredibly talented man. At the evening of his life, he generously gave his time and talent to us once more. we could all learn from him.
I love live performances whether it's a R&R band or Broadway musical because they are always different than a previous performance or recording. I have been to live performances of plays/musicals two nights in a row and am rewarded with a subtlely different performance. Live theater is just the best for all of these reasons. "Getting the exact same performance night after night, year after year, is impossible." And thank goodness for that!
The Eagles got to the end of the video and want to know if they got away with using a backing track. The thing that annoys me is we have tribute bands who do what the original artists can't or won't do anymore which is sing and play live. We expect the original artists to have higher standards than that.
I had a performance of Boys of Summer with my band taken down from YT by DH’s people. It was a four piece band playing in a pub. Such a great song will be lost to future generations if they can’t discover it on social media.
I heard the Eagles live a number of years ago…. Okay, we all hung out in a packed arena and listened to a recording. The “concert” was my Father’s Day gift. And Henley, my son wants his money back.
I don't get it. If they don't feel like their abilities are up to scratch anymore and they've made all the money in the world, won the Grammys, played all the cool places AND is edging towards nursing home age. Why cheat? Why don't they just call it a day and go home and spend time with the grand kids?
@@RogueReplicant not sure how much Donald is in in terms of debt, but his net worth is $250 million. So I’m thinking greed, ego, conceit, and massive massive contempt for the fans, especially the ones who Spend the time and money to see the Eagles“in person.“ Madonna was sued for lip-synching. Maybe the same will happen to the the Eagles.
As a retired musician that lives for listening these days, Any fan of any given artist or group has probably listened too their albums so many times that any deviation in a live set stands out. That's a good thing. If fans wanted to hear a perfect reply of a studio album, why would we pay so much to hear it in a crowd? Atmosphere? I say of course that's a major part of any gig, but we want it all! A recent costello gig was criticised in the press as he was doing "real live" stripped back versions without a full band which in lnuded some old songs. He sang live and they seemed to want him to jump around, full group, like he did 48 years ago! 😂 voices mature, people age. The late Johnny Cash's voice on "Hurt" a cover he sang within the last 12 months of his life which was great and emotional but so much deeper voice than his early songs. Guess my waffle is trying to say. "Keep it Real, Keep it live". You can love the original songs but if you don't like a new style or a voice change it's OK too. Please make sure artists don't feel pressure to be something they are not anymore. Love Live❤
Fil, you cracked the code! BUSTED! You have proved the obvious. Thank you for taking the time out to prove without a doubt everything is bullshit! I just hope you don't get negative recourse from your excellent work and showing what a lot of professional performers are lying to us when we pay top price to see them perform and here it's a lip sync performance from God knows when it was prerecorded from who knows when. I totally appreciate your efforts, time, and skills to bring this to the surface and let the general public how they are being fooled and taken advantaged of when purchasing tickets to these shows but NOT receiving what they honestly paid for. I cannot thank you enough for all of your efforts showing this clear record without and error. I will ask any performer who you have called out to prove you WRONG!! I guaranty not ONE will call you out.
FWIW, as part of Don Henley's testimony to Congress, he talked about how he *hires* people to monitor social networking and shutdown any unauthorized copies of his songs. I forget how many he hires. And I do think it's important to show the data when that demonstrates that the performances are *different,* in addition to the ones where the audio is exactly the same. I'll give an extra 👍 thumbs up for doing this.
Well done, the Eagles were just magic when I first saw them, must be 40+ years' ago in Australia. Since that time there has been a heap of very unpleasant infighting and, whenever I have heard Henley interviewed, he has clearly come across as being arrogant and egotistical. He's been so happy to litigate at the drop of a hat in past. His inaction against you merely validates the accuracy of your video. Well done.
@@jeffreylutz9061🤣🤣🤣🤣. I ripped the audio from the two different shows, used Moises (App available from the App Store) to isolate the vocals, lined up the two different nights lead vocal in GarageBand. They play as one vocal. Totally identical. The answering vocals on the chorus (such a lovely place) are also so obviously pre recorded. Try it yourself if you think I’m making it up. And by the way, The Eagles are, and always will be my favourite band of all time. I saw them live in 1977 in London, twice on the Hell Freezes over tour and twice more after Felder was fired. Nobody is more disappointed by this fakery than me.
Some artist pre-record their Live vocals prior to that show or have several recorded versions & switch them up. Every sound engineer here in the U.S. that has run sound for top artists has to sign a confidentiality agreement about the backing tracks, Lip Syncing etc...
I remember going to a Dan Fogelberg concert a million years ago and he was playing solo. I was disappointed until he started playing the piano or guitar and singing all alone. It was one of the best concerts I have ever attended. He was unbelievable and told the sound engineers to adjust the volume on the fly. I knew all of his songs and could play all of the guitar parts so it was fantastic to hear the changes he made playing solo. I went to an Eagles concert decades ago and I could easily hear the differences between the live sound and the records that I had listened to a thousand times. I don't know how what they are doing now is legal, considering what they charge for front-row tickets. I love what you are doing Fil. I appreciate the Scientific Method and objective data since I am both a scientist and musician/singer.
The Eagles..."quick!..take down the incriminating video evidence which proves our cheating!"....this is indeed the action of TRUE Desperados!....concert ticket purchasers should SUE them.
Thank you Fil. You have presented the desire of people paying for tickets to hear a live vocal. Thank you for your efforts, we are so proud of the mission of your channel. If the music industry wants musical instruments pre-recorded and tracked for reuse throughout the band’s live tour, I guess the band members must be in agreement to be simply entertainers not musicians. It is an easier experience to play a few bars at the beginning or end of a song and simply play to “enhance” the track sound. It kinda reminds me of the classic Cyrano de Bergerac - the handsome face visible but the true voice(musical sound) is behind a bush (an instrumental track bush).
@@wildmountainthyme4123 thank you. We got to see another Traveling Wilbury, Tom Petty, on the band’s 40th anniversary tour. And this is ELO’s final tour. Can’t wait!
Apart from seeing the original lineup at Wembley Empire Pool in 1978, I've seen Jeff's new version play twice in the US (Oakland and San Jose). Brilliant experience every time! Sad that I won't be able to make it to what might well be his last tour.
ELO practically invented miming to a tape. I think a venue (possibly in Detroit if I remember correctly) sued them in the '70s. The whole show was just a tape. As I understand it the thing that gave them away was the fact that two shows on consecutive nights took the same amount of time, to the second. There are reports of Jeff Lynn and his bandmates taking liberties by openly talking to one another and joking around whilst they were supposed to be 'singing'. To be fair to them I think Jeff Lynn was frustrated back then because the technology didn't really exist for them to be able to replicate some of the sonic effects from their records when performing live, so they used a tape.
@@MostEasterlySteve I first heard Siouxsie Sioux make this claim on Peter Powell's show back in the 1980s. As Peter said then "Well they weren't miming when I saw them!" Jeff Lynne has always been open about their use of backing tracks for the special effects that would be impossible to reproduce live, but I'm not aware of anyone showing that they mimed to vocals. Even when i saw them in 1978 Jeff avoided the highest notes in the chorus of Telephone Line because he knew he couldn't reach them reliably live.
Now I would consider going to see the Eagles live. We all love the Eagles. Do it "Live" and the audience is so much bigger. Your music and performances are unforgettable. Once we get to a point where the machine is taking over, then game over. We lose the video game we are all living in and it is over rover. We do win the game we are in. The hologram and Matrix is breaking. Omega is almost faded out completely. Birthing pains. A new beginning. Great video Wings.
I thought that the "Hell freezes over" concert sounded really good. Now I'm questioning whether they were actually singing it live. This is sort of like when Toto pulled the curtain back and exposed the great wizzard.
Give 'em a break! In their live shows they're doing EVERYTHING live except their singing and their playing! What more do you want for just $500 a ticket? Let me guess. Next you're going to expect it to actually be THEM in person on the stage!
The eagles are such legends, no one wants to hear a digital voice.. the human voice can’t be matched….yet. At what point are they defrauding customers who are paying for a live show and hearing a studio recording??
The rap/hiphop genre addressed this at some point (because they blatantly use pre-recorded vocals and just jump in and out of vocals at whatever points they choose to) .. they claimed 'it's a stageshow/party' so the vocals are not important.. the audience is basically there to have a good time effectively partying with the artist. Something along those lines... but as a metalhead I would never pay to see something like that.. might as well just have the artist stand motionless on stage while the pre-recorded bits play in the background at that point.
All sound is digitize nowadays and has been since back in the 80s when CDs came out. Digitizing sound doesn't make a singer better. That is not the issue that Fil is going over in this video.
“Nolite te Bastardes Carborundorum” (latin). They will try and silence every last person trying to speak the truth. It is more important now than ever for all of us to stay vigilante and keep speaking the truth. Love you Fil, still watching from Washington State.
This is why i like artists like John Farnham. He never sings a song the same way twice. Every performance has something a little different timing wise, vocal runs, even changes the key up and down. Yet always "sounds" perfectly in tune on time and delivers powerful and emotive vocals, even at the end of a 3 hour concert. I know some of his appearances on Tv shows used backing tracks, because that was the what the studios insisted on But never in a live concert. Even in his 70's he never mimed. You can tell as he sometimes gets out of breath....but the power of his vocals and the ability to sing i the same key as when he was younger is something to see ..they actually made him mime on TV shows like bandstand when he was still a teenager...and he even admits that he was terrible at it....and would never do it ever again Would love to see what his voice looks like on your systems .
Front of House Engineer humming Bette Midler right now. “Did you ever know that you're my hero? You're everything I wish I could be. I could fly higher than an eagle. For you are the wind beneath my wings” ❤
That's what I liked about the concerts in the 70's. Sometimes the band had a bad night, but sometimes there were amazing performances and it was raw and in your face. That's what live is all about.
"what live is all about" "... about 40 minutes past start time" in the case of waiting for ELO to finally take the stage. Minus the "Spaceship" prop, which gets advertised all along ahead of the concert and then you show up (Providence RI convention center) and a very worn-out sign at the entrance says it won't be there. At least the playing was good. Kaminski wore out a couple of violin bows, so that was probably for real.
They got caught cheating and their reaction was: "Let's use a different vocal recording, leave out the pitch correction, make a minor tweak to the instrumental recording and increase the pressure on unauthorized uploads. That will be enough to prevent anyone from noticing we are cheating." Come one Eagles, that's plain stupid. I've seen some bands playing live, many of them twice or more often. Some of them I've seen two nights in a row. None of them managed to play the same song identically twice. Some of them intentionally added variations instead of trying to copy themselves. There is nothing wrong about not sounding the same every night. That's the magic of live music! Variations add even more quality to it. Playing live is life!
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Hi everyone! Even though my video was 19 minutes and 49 seconds in length, the video gets cut off at 17 minutes 42 seconds. I have literally no explanation as to why that is, but I'll try and get the full version working with another upload soon.
Here's the video with the ending for those interested! - ruclips.net/video/fJqDqhOxZE0/видео.html
I wondered what happened. 😂
I blame Ken Tamplin! 😂 I’m kidding, I’m kidding!🤣
@@cindi1313LOL! So do I.😂😂
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Gremlins. Like always
Happy you called this out! Most fans don't care if your voice ages, we want authenticity! Thanks Fil!
Authenticity went out the window in the fifties. Somewhere under the surface of all this criticism is the green-eyed monster. I don’t think guys like Don Henley in his seventies need to be embarrassed to sing along to the studio recordings of what 25 year old Don did fifty years ago. Whether I agree with his politics, his choice in musical expression or not, he gave himself away in some sense for music. The need to jump through hoops of Internet fetish mongers is over for him and most other accomplished artists.
@@christiansmakingmusic777 Except it may end up in a Millie Vanilli like legal mess where the Eagles get sued for fraud. Because that is exactly what it is. Not presenting a genuinely sung live performance yet charging astronomical prices and claiming you are. I personally won't attend another Eagles concert again.
Lolz… some dude in this thread thinking jealousy is the root of all of this. What a terrible take.
I agree with you. Look at David Gilmour’s new music. Not the same range or tone but still great to listen to.
Especially considering what tickets to their concerts cost.
I have just watched on RUclips a Live Peter Frampton concert that was on the 13th September, two and a quarter hours long and Peter has to sit down because of a muscle wasting disease, he is 74 and still plays and sings all Live, no miming or auto tune, I recommend it to anyone who is a fan of Peter, the loveliest, humble man.
Yes he's a man of brilliance all around.
He's still going? Damn. Legend.
I saw it. And when he picked up his guitar and started playing he instantly became 40 years younger!
I love Peter
He still delivers
Absolutely , America are also doing the same with no enhancements , I'd like to see an analysis like this on Gerry Beckley ! Fil has reviewed them before but only as a live performance , he didn't use this equipment as a comparison ! Daisy Jane would be a good choice .
You are a master at what you do. I'm a retired engineer and know your processes are correct, accurate and honest. You are analyzing audio tracks as they were recorded and meticulously matching them up to almost nanoseconds to compare them. No one has the right to challenge raw data that you are presenting to us. Ignore those children-minded people.
Fil, you're doing important work! You're definitely making an impact on this modern bad fad of pitch correction/autotune!
Yes! and it needs to be more widely acknowledged.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee Just like the 'trans' fad!
You're channel is one of the best things that happened in music recently. Keep up the good work.
Con Henley will be LIVID when he sees/hears this gem.
Thanks for busting this industry myth. Hopefully something good will eventually come out of it.
Awesome work, bro.
Con, 😂🤭👌
what the hell? Every performance is a unique fingerprint, dammit!
you're going nuts here!
His lawyers are working furiously to have this taken down LOL
I am grateful for humor wherever I can find it! 😅
@@MattE174I can hear those keys furiously tapping emails telling the lawyers to "STOP THIS GUY ON THE INTERNET, NOW! WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO, JUST STOP HIM!"
So glad you stick to your guns with this! It’s not right to pay to see these bands (and the tickets aren’t cheap) perform live only to get lip syncing!
Thats why i will stick with the Warning, they are the real deal 💯%
@@SDsailor7Yes, just watch one band play live forever... that won't ever get boring. 😂
Henley just went into studio and cut a dozen takes to put into rotation with hopes of making it Fil proof!!
🤣That could be closer to the truth than we know.
Ha! Just had the same thought. At least, as far as the new versions Fil looked at in this video, the takes aren't pitch-corrected like in Fil's original analysis...
If Fil is making them work that hard to commit a fraud on the listening public, then his work is very much worth it.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
RUclips and Don Henley are a perfect fit for each other: unfriendly, mean spirited and greedy. A big corporate stance is to be expected from the likes of RUclips, but this sort of nastiness and deceit by Don Henley and the Eagles has nothing to do with artistic integrity and as such, should be called out for what it is. Well Done Fil, as always.
Strongly disagree. No one, not even RUclips, could match Don Henley as the ultimate villain.
I listened to an Eagles album once. I don't remember what it sounded like because they copyright struck my memory and had it wiped.
Lol
Too funny.. 😆
Hahaha
This would be great! I would love to hear all my fave albums for the first time again!
Being huge Eagles fan for goodness 50+ years I find this so, so sad. If I was lucky enough to ever afford a ticket to see them would want to hear them singing live.
Live performances are not meant to be record quality, but paying so much I would feel betrayed not to hear live singing.
I might as well watch a video in the comfort of my front room and it would be a lot cheaper!
Cheers Fil, for all you do. Thoroughly enjoy the channel.
Long Live LIVE music! 🤘
Yep, this really sucks. My son took me to an Eagles concert as a Father’s Day gift a number of years ago and more likely than not, wasn’t “live”. Who knows, the band members may have been body doubles haha.
got a free ticket for an Aug 1978 concert.
@@Zebra_3 Haha Very possible. Reliving the 70's, but not as intended!
Like you I'm a huge eagles fan and I have loved the music they have made over the years
But fils videos have shown they are not singing live which dissapoints me because I used to tell people my favourite concert was the eagles concert at murrayfield in scotland
I have absolutely no musical ability. Last time I did anything musical was singing in my high school choir and I'm 63 years old now. I failed at learning the piano and the guitar in my youth. However, I understand your presentations and can see how right you are in cases of lip-synced or mimed vocals. I find what you do fascinating as someone with more of a science background (I edited scientific publications for many many years) I can see when the data doesn't lie. So I'm not sure how so many professed musical experts think your data is bogus or that you are motivated by envy or an evil desire for capturing views. Keep on telling the truth!
I'm the same age as you and I was an abject musical failure as well. I cannot hear the difference from one key to the other. But I have an academic background in business and yes data trumps what an individual thinks or feels.
One doesn't fail at music. If you suck, you can become a wealthy pop musician like Swift or Sheeran. If you have ability, you become a poor jazz musician with a handful of fans (most of them family).
'The truth points to itself!' D'len B5: In The Beginning.
@@DMSProduktions We stand between the darkness and the light! Or Fil does, here. Love the B5 ref.
@@lucydayLucida Hence the Grey Council!
Yep cheers!
1 show & films I have not watched in a long time!
Watching before Fil goes missing...
And. Eagles Lawyers know to only agree to a fight they can win ...so they Fly away....
And Eagles lawyers know only agree to a fight they can win or
Fly away ....
I do sometimes worry for Fil, but I root him on all the same.
Nice reply.
😂
You are creating a new understanding of live music and what it means to be a consumer of it.
Totally agree.
You did very well, Fil, to maintain a straight face at 12:46 when you said, "I would like to think that this isn't all a backing track ... but ..."
..but it looks like the whole show is mimed?
Yep. In order for those three live performances to stay that well in sync-obviously, at the VERY least-the keyboardist & drummer are playing to a click track they’re hearing in headphones (or a surreptitiously-worn earbuds). But _really_ it’s sounding more and more like it’s a pre-record.
Ella sang live without vocal enhancement into her 70’s. So did Ernestine Anderson.
These are musicians who sing. Singers are like birds. We’re in it for the s-o-u-n-d
Ernestine shout out! I saw Nancy Wilson s last NYC show in 2011. She said she had one more show and was stopping. I loved Nancy Wilson for many reasons; her stopping while still ""on her game" was admirable.
Tom Jones in his 80’s still live still excellent!
If they can’t do it PACK IN!
or was it Memorex? ....KIDDING!
@@hnc52 Which 1?
@@paulwatson9217 Yes ... I saw Tom when he was 80 and his vocals were staggeringly great!
If you wanted to hear exactly the same performance, you would simply listen to the same recording over and over. What an artist can do with a song from performance to performance is what is so beautiful. I don’t understand why the music industry thinks we want to listen to robots. Love what you are doing to bring awareness.
The "music industry" couldn't care less whether you live or die. They just want as much of your money as they can part from you.
@@ToddSauve Very true. Guess it is up to the artists and their fans. Athletes have done it, so there is hope.
Has more to do with mainstream music is full of performers with poor musical abilities. Most are unable to come close to what their polished, enhanced studio cuts present.
It's called transhumanism. It is a much larger picture than just the music industry.
@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee Les Paul would speed up his recordings in the studio and put it out on albums. (I'm guessing like 5 times as fast.) Very common to manipulate album recordings into things that aren't possible in a live setting.
I am a singer who has done band and solo performances for 50 years. I've played this and other songs hundreds of times. I can tell you that you settle into what you feel is your best rendition of any particular song and stick with it. So your performances will get pretty similar each time... but never exactly the same! I may have sung a couple dozen other songs before I do this one. I may be fighting a cold. I may be tired because I was working in my yard that day. Whatever... it makes my performances feel fresh. No click track. And yet...I've played and sung (in the studio!) with a click track, and even then...you drift a bit. It is impossible to play it exactly the precise same way every time. I don't care if you are a drummer, guitarist, bassist, keyboardist or singer...you are not a machine.
I'm becoming totally addicted to your channel Fil!
Well done Fil, I'm glad you call this out. I was going to see them at the Sphere but it's very expensive. Now I see I can just buy a DVD instead! I always liked live music because it sounds different and they interact with the audience. But having an artist miming defeats the purpose.
What a mess we have seen our Fil help to expose over the last month or so. While it is difficult to see all this, it is necessary for the integrity of the music industry.
*bonk
@@SuziQ. 🤗to you and 🐕
Fil always seems a nice fellow to me, but it’s not likely that he is THE voice keeping integrity in music. Eventually this gig is going to fade. I hope he keeps making music. I’m sure he never intended to be the guy who reads the pitch monitoring charts on the nightly news.
@@christiansmakingmusic777,
While I also hope that Fil keeps making music, I appreciate his efforts to promote transparency in the music industry. His petition needs more exposure. He’s got something else in the works, too.
@@SuziQ. ... Were The Kitty to have the POWA to ❤your comment... I would do so 😸Will you settle for a 🐈bonk and a * boop * ? 🤔
Concerts done like this should be 100% FREE of charge. Selling tickets to stuff like this should be criminal.
I agree. Performers should have to disclose if there are prerecorded vocals, instruments, etc. - and state to what degree (ie: predefined levels). I mean, it seems obvious, but it’s such a fraud. It’s false advertising unless this information is disclosed on ads and any promo materials/interviews, at the time of ticket purchase, and announced live before the concert. I’m sure lots of people will still want to see the show for the group experience and nostalgic purposes, but most people wouldn’t want to pay mega bucks if they knew they’re not actually doing live vocals and instruments. Maybe putting laws into effect would change their tune where they either perform every note and lyric live or disclose that they’re acting to backing tracks - the latter might lead them to have to lower ticket prices, but it’s better than totally being out of work (and might actually gain a lot of respect and sales for the honesty/integrity).
Speaking of fraud and false advertising, I wonder if you can call a credit card company to say you didn’t get the advertised “product” in reality to get your money back.
Who'd bother to go even if it was free?!
@MashaT22 that's a good idea. Because it is fraudulent to say something is "live" but it's not completely live. Frankie Valli comes to mind. I get that people want to see a legend but if that legend is literally a puppet is it worth it?
@@Tim091 I don’t know. That’s a good question.
Played a show with them as a background musician a few years ago. We had to sign NDAs (this was weird in its own right as no other group I’ve played background for has ever done this…), so all I can say is, “I can neither confirm nor deny that almost the entire show may or may not have been playback”. Take that as you will.
Did you "play" in Ken Tamplin's band also?
What instrument did u play
I played a show with them too, and i wasn’t even there
Hear you loud and clear! 😉
Eagles Inc. they been running like a corporation a long time.
Anyone remember Millie Vanilli getting tarred and feathered. Maybe they didn’t have the right talent, but these guys do. I’m not paying several $100 to hear recordings.
Those guys have paid back their embarrassment. They are resting in peace.
@@FrankBarnwell-xi8my Only one of them is dead and the other guy learned to sing and now he sings live with his true voice.
in some cases 10,000 US dollars a ticket for concerts, can you imagine? I would not be able to afford such a thing, but I certainly don't want to pay to see someone lip-synching etc. my hubby plays with a local band. It is so fun, and they are really very good - even surprised me - so I will go see them and bands like them and put a donation in. Of course, I live in Mississippi - we moved from Philly - and I found that are lots of incredibly talented musicians here who have day jobs and play gigs in little shacks - literally - for fun in the evenings. Maybe it is because with no internet or even phone lines, there really isn't much else to do here.
Are there awards for great miming?🤣
Ashlee Simpson had her singing career destroyed by lip synching on tv. People were very mad. Now days seems most don’t care.
Wow, I think I would want some money back from the concert. Good you found this out! Thank you for what you do!
So, not so much Lyin' Eyes but more Lyin Ears.
Here in the West I think it would be called "singing with a forked tongue!" LOL!
Lol!😅
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I downloaded that app, and tried to sing the exact same thing twice. Turned out completely different. Maybe I’m just bad at singing. So I snapped my fingers twice. This _also_ turned out as two completely differently shaped lines. You can’t even replicate a simple *snap* perfectly. Think about that.
That's a great experiment
you downloaded AN app. Probably some free/cheap one, not the good one
@@KougeruAre you suggesting that the good app wouldn't show similar results?
@Kougeru Fil uses the free app, vocal pitch monitor.
Use a musical instrument like piano or guitar. Take the piano and hit the middle C while recording. Repeat that and remember to use the same pressure as the first. Then compare. Or pluck the high open E string on a guitar etc. Snapping the fingers is way to hard to repeat reliably IMHO.
OMG they aren't even playing the instruments. Total rip off. Just put up cardboard cutouts.
I know, right? This is rediculous....
And just think about the ridiculous prices they're charging people for those "shows" too!!! Rip off is an understatement. This is theft by deception!!!
@@matcoffidis1135 "rediculous"??? What is that?!
@@garylufc What do you think?
Hehe, it does explain that flawless acoustic version of Hotel California, doesn't it?
Using 1970s slang, is it live - or is it Memorex? Eagles are Memorex.
My mom just used this “70s slang” the other day talking about the fact there is no way to prove anything on the news is true unless you were there yourself.
😅💯💥
Using 1970’s slang. This is jive!
For those of us who tried Memorex tapes in the 70s, we found it was crap and thereafter avoided it, preferring to stick with TDK and Maxell. They did, however, have clever cases, but that had no effect on the quality of the tape.
@@keensoundguy6637 But, Memorex had the best ad agency.
Enjoy and appreciate your work!
Fil, you're like the masked magician. You're exposing what studio managers/artists are doing, which is deceiving audiences and fans.
Thank you, and continue the good works.
You are keeping music (a)live! 🙌💪😊🤘
cant wait to hear the whole thing - nice to know you may be making a difference
The idea that they've got a monster like Vince Gill on guitar and he might just be miming along with a track makes me a little sick.
And, if the Eagles are doing it, what other classic rock artist is doing it? Takes the fun right out of attending a concert when you have to be thinking - are these live vocals and instruments being played or miming to backing tracks.
Just don't tell me Bob Seger
I can't believe Vince gill would go along with that. He has massive talent, but like joecwalsh, he's just a hired gun ... with massive talent.
me too, big time.
Aerosmith and Huey Lewis and the News have both retired because they can no longer perform to what they believe is necessary for the audience. Good for their honesty.
I wonder if this would be going on where Glen Fry still alive.
I suspect they just swapped out one pre-recorded vocal for another prerecorded vocal. When they last played it live legitimately, it was tuned down a whole step. I doubt Henley would go back up to the original key years later after singing it lower for years.
Don Henley probably _can't_ sing it in the original key now that he's in his 70s.
@@ToddSauve he could bring down an out-of-reach note by going down a third. No shame in that. A 70 year old Ella sang as well if not better than her 20 year old self.
@@mademsoisellerhapsody Yes, with the honest older bands you hear it all the time. But the Eagles? Well ...
🎯 exactly!
Nobody lowers the key to help the singer and then go back to the original key years later
Yes, I wondered the same thing about Don Henley singing it back in the original key 9 years after being down a tone. I wondered if they have recorded two or 3 pre-recorded vocals that they are rotating now in these Las Vegas performances, to try to keep people from catching on. And why would they not have a live piano? You can't find a piano player in Las Vegas??
Thanks Fil. You’re saving live music performance, one video at a time!!!
Thanks Fil for exposing this to us music fans. I think it's important for us to get this info out and maybe things will change.
Helping to keep music real - thanks Fil 👍🏻
Thanks for taking the time to look into these events. It is just terrible when there are people being misled.
Hi Fil, FIghting the good fight for honesty in the music world! You have done a great job on yet another Eagles video! You are doing great work, Fil! Thanks for bringing this to us!
Yes, they have literally changed their tune! However, have they forgotten how to play their instruments and now have to rely on click tracks and backing tracks ??? Good one , Fil! 💜
Long time viewer. And long time fan of you calling these guys out. I always make sure to pass this information along to people who may not know. Also -- my opinion? It's a backing track. If they'll do it with the vocals, why wouldn't they do it with the instrumentals? Thank you, Fil.
Don Henley is doing everything possible to ensure that The Eagles music will be forgotten within the next 30 years. And I wish him the best of luck in that worthy endeavour.
Awesomely put! The root of his behavior was probably to ensure there would be no videos of him lip-synching Or piping in the instruments, but I guess he cut off his nose to spite his face. Despite whatever heir he has. When collateral damage becomes total damage.
Yep...he got my small humor channel taken down...don't worry Don I'll never cover another one of your songs
@@BillAshley-qb2bw Not exactly sure what the objective is, both for faking it and for being the ultimate RUclips vigilante, but if I were to guess I'd say it's pure short term greed.
He knows he's hated, both on SM and amongst his peers, but that doesn't seem to bother him.
Sad part is he is taking great songs like Hotel California and dumping them in the graveyard of forgotten music, because that is where they will end up if no one is exposing their work to newer generations.
Just say it for God's sake... the Eagles believe they are entitled to our $$ with minimal effort. What a joke.
Absolutely, with the ironical thing being that it probably takes much much more effort to get the Fakery right then it is to play it straight and authentically. What a Scandal.
Don't say Eagles, say Henley--he's greedy and crooked, two very bad traits in one guy. Frey was just as bad but he died.
It’s daylight robbery and Desperado!
Fil you are the man!!! (Yes, I'm old but you understand I hope). Congrats for pointing this out to begin with and for sticking to the truth.
Btw, my brother in law just went to a Three Dog Night concert and said it wasn't good. So everyone needs to accept the fact that you could be disappointed. I still believe honesty is still the best policy.
Fil, you are the best. So glad I´m a child of the 50s/60s when music was real.
Good for you!! So happy this video happened.
I was at a Pat Benatar show in August in Phx and our air quality sucks! During Hell Is For Children, she stopped and said “I can’t do this with the desert air”
It was a bit of a bummer, but better than being deceived. She ended up singing other stuff!
Even if you’re not a musician, it’s understandable that the voice goes just like every other organ or part of the body!! Just do your best or stop touring. No fake crap!!
To the musicians who think we don't want to hear your natural voice any longer: You are wrong. I was very fortunate to hear Gordon Lightfoot shortly before he died. His voice did not have the strength he once had when he was younger, but his heart and spirit still came through. I truly appreciated his performance. Indeed, it was an honor and a privilege to be allowed to hear this incredibly talented man. At the evening of his life, he generously gave his time and talent to us once more. we could all learn from him.
I saw him too. It was really authentic and beautiful.
I love Gord and saw him many times, and even when his voice was particularly weak and he was short of breath, I loved the show.
Henley's ego just won't let him admit to miming.
Same ego as Ken Tamplin
I love live performances whether it's a R&R band or Broadway musical because they are always different than a previous performance or recording. I have been to live performances of plays/musicals two nights in a row and am rewarded with a subtlely different performance. Live theater is just the best for all of these reasons. "Getting the exact same performance night after night, year after year, is impossible." And thank goodness for that!
Ok, so their whole performance is one giant backing track. Unreal 😂
Thank you for making us aware of this Phil. You are obviously a man of integrity. 🌌🌅🌠🕊👍🏻
The Eagles got to the end of the video and want to know if they got away with using a backing track. The thing that annoys me is we have tribute bands who do what the original artists can't or won't do anymore which is sing and play live. We expect the original artists to have higher standards than that.
And, ironically, many of those tribute bands take a beating at the hands of the fans who mockingly call them "just tribute bands".
Very true👍 Perhaps that’s why the Eagles don’t allow anyone to cover their songs on RUclips.
@@southerncomfortuk Interestingly, they HAVE allowed Fil to cover Hotel California!
The singer for Yes was once in a Yes tribute band.
And the tribute .bands have more creative names.
Bjorn Again, Nearly Dan......
And not forgetting The Illeagles, of course.
Ask Rick Beato how Don Henley has 60 full time people looking for his music on the internet.
So in other words, the number of people he hires costs exactly as much as the royalties he makes.
Yep and it's actually hurting his legacy and ability to reach younger audiences. He's his own worst enemy.
Careful using Henley’s name in a sentence, he may hit you with royalties.
And now we know why...
I had a performance of Boys of Summer with my band taken down from YT by DH’s people. It was a four piece band playing in a pub. Such a great song will be lost to future generations if they can’t discover it on social media.
And so our Fil wins fighting the good fight ! Kudos!
If it’s a fake performance we should be able to pay for the tickets with fake money.
And then Ticketmaster® will send out a real Treasury Dept officer. We can't win.
GOOD ONE!
Nah, fake performances should cost nothing LOL.
If you pay with Federal Reserve Notes (aka Dollars) you are paying with fake money
I heard the Eagles live a number of years ago…. Okay, we all hung out in a packed arena and listened to a recording. The “concert” was my Father’s Day gift. And Henley, my son wants his money back.
If we played every Eagles show at the same time, it'd sound like 1 band playing 1 show, no doubling, no delay, no echo, no chorus.
Fil, I just LOVE the way you say, "...and subscribe". LOL
Subscerrrribe!
I only listen to the Eagles of old. With Bernie Leadon, Randy Meisner and Don Felder. After Don Felder left, that was it for me.
I quit when Meisner left. That was it for me
@@ALong-fo5so me, too. Randy was too nice of a guy to keep that kind of company. RIP Meisner.
I don't get it. If they don't feel like their abilities are up to scratch anymore and they've made all the money in the world, won the Grammys, played all the cool places AND is edging towards nursing home age. Why cheat? Why don't they just call it a day and go home and spend time with the grand kids?
Greed? Ego?
In my mind it begs the question if they ever were really authentic. I just don't know anymore.
@@nikkic9305 Yep, legitimate point. How far back does this go? I’m betting a very, very long time.
Bills. They got used to living like rock stars and are in debt. Pathetic.
@@RogueReplicant not sure how much Donald is in in terms of debt, but his net worth is $250 million. So I’m thinking greed, ego, conceit, and massive massive contempt for the fans, especially the ones who Spend the time and money to see the Eagles“in person.“
Madonna was sued for lip-synching. Maybe the same will happen to the the Eagles.
Definitely different vocals. Thanks Fil.
tip of the iceberg I'm thinking.
As a retired musician that lives for listening these days, Any fan of any given artist or group has probably listened too their albums so many times that any deviation in a live set stands out. That's a good thing. If fans wanted to hear a perfect reply of a studio album, why would we pay so much to hear it in a crowd? Atmosphere? I say of course that's a major part of any gig, but we want it all! A recent costello gig was criticised in the press as he was doing "real live" stripped back versions without a full band which in lnuded some old songs. He sang live and they seemed to want him to jump around, full group, like he did 48 years ago! 😂 voices mature, people age. The late Johnny Cash's voice on "Hurt" a cover he sang within the last 12 months of his life which was great and emotional but so much deeper voice than his early songs. Guess my waffle is trying to say. "Keep it Real, Keep it live". You can love the original songs but if you don't like a new style or a voice change it's OK too. Please make sure artists don't feel pressure to be something they are not anymore. Love Live❤
Johnny Cash's version of Hurt never fails to make me cry 😢
Johnny Cash's last recording at the death's door, at his actual age, outshines anything Eagles did their entire gold thirsty careers.
Fil, you cracked the code! BUSTED! You have proved the obvious. Thank you for taking the time out to prove without a doubt everything is bullshit! I just hope you don't get negative recourse from your excellent work and showing what a lot of professional performers are lying to us when we pay top price to see them perform and here it's a lip sync performance from God knows when it was prerecorded from who knows when. I totally appreciate your efforts, time, and skills to bring this to the surface and let the general public how they are being fooled and taken advantaged of when purchasing tickets to these shows but NOT receiving what they honestly paid for. I cannot thank you enough for all of your efforts showing this clear record without and error. I will ask any performer who you have called out to prove you WRONG!! I guaranty not ONE will call you out.
FWIW, as part of Don Henley's testimony to Congress, he talked about how he *hires* people to monitor social networking and shutdown any unauthorized copies of his songs. I forget how many he hires. And I do think it's important to show the data when that demonstrates that the performances are *different,* in addition to the ones where the audio is exactly the same. I'll give an extra 👍 thumbs up for doing this.
can you imagine that being your job? ugh, how boring
It is reported to be 60.
I heard it's 60 people he hires.
@@guitarman704 - ‼- I was going to say 40, but was afraid that number was way too high!
@@ToddSauve wow! I wonder how many psychologists are on his case?
Well done, the Eagles were just magic when I first saw them, must be 40+ years' ago in Australia.
Since that time there has been a heap of very unpleasant infighting and, whenever I have heard Henley interviewed, he has clearly come across as being arrogant and egotistical.
He's been so happy to litigate at the drop of a hat in past.
His inaction against you merely validates the accuracy of your video.
Well done.
I’ve analysed isolated vocals from Hotel California and Boys of Summer from 20th and 21st and they are identical.
no you haven't.
@@jeffreylutz9061🤣🤣🤣🤣.
I ripped the audio from the two different shows, used Moises (App available from the App Store) to isolate the vocals, lined up the two different nights lead vocal in GarageBand. They play as one vocal. Totally identical. The answering vocals on the chorus (such a lovely place) are also so obviously pre recorded.
Try it yourself if you think I’m making it up.
And by the way, The Eagles are, and always will be my favourite band of all time. I saw them live in 1977 in London, twice on the Hell Freezes over tour and twice more after Felder was fired. Nobody is more disappointed by this fakery than me.
@@jeffreylutz9061😂😂😂😂
Moises and GarageBand (App Store) Try it.
I’ve just compared a vocal from 27/09/24. Also identical.
Good stuff man. Great work as always Fil.
Some artist pre-record their Live vocals prior to that show or have several recorded versions & switch them up. Every sound engineer here in the U.S. that has run sound for top artists has to sign a confidentiality agreement about the backing tracks, Lip Syncing etc...
I remember going to a Dan Fogelberg concert a million years ago and he was playing solo. I was disappointed until he started playing the piano or guitar and singing all alone. It was one of the best concerts I have ever attended. He was unbelievable and told the sound engineers to adjust the volume on the fly. I knew all of his songs and could play all of the guitar parts so it was fantastic to hear the changes he made playing solo. I went to an Eagles concert decades ago and I could easily hear the differences between the live sound and the records that I had listened to a thousand times. I don't know how what they are doing now is legal, considering what they charge for front-row tickets. I love what you are doing Fil. I appreciate the Scientific Method and objective data since I am both a scientist and musician/singer.
The Eagles..."quick!..take down the incriminating video evidence which proves our cheating!"....this is indeed the action of TRUE Desperados!....concert ticket purchasers should SUE them.
Thank you Fil. You have presented the desire of people paying for tickets to hear a live vocal. Thank you for your efforts, we are so proud of the mission of your channel. If the music industry wants musical instruments pre-recorded and tracked for reuse throughout the band’s live tour, I guess the band members must be in agreement to be simply entertainers not musicians. It is an easier experience to play a few bars at the beginning or end of a song and simply play to “enhance” the track sound. It kinda reminds me of the classic Cyrano de Bergerac - the handsome face visible but the true voice(musical sound) is behind a bush (an instrumental track bush).
We are going to see ELO in October. I would be saddened if I knew they mimed, but I don’t think they will. Jeff Lynn is a master at what he does.
Jeff is a genius! I just saw ELO earlier this month, and what a fantastic concert. Have a great time!
@@wildmountainthyme4123 thank you. We got to see another Traveling Wilbury, Tom Petty, on the band’s 40th anniversary tour. And this is ELO’s final tour. Can’t wait!
Apart from seeing the original lineup at Wembley Empire Pool in 1978, I've seen Jeff's new version play twice in the US (Oakland and San Jose). Brilliant experience every time! Sad that I won't be able to make it to what might well be his last tour.
ELO practically invented miming to a tape. I think a venue (possibly in Detroit if I remember correctly) sued them in the '70s. The whole show was just a tape. As I understand it the thing that gave them away was the fact that two shows on consecutive nights took the same amount of time, to the second. There are reports of Jeff Lynn and his bandmates taking liberties by openly talking to one another and joking around whilst they were supposed to be 'singing'. To be fair to them I think Jeff Lynn was frustrated back then because the technology didn't really exist for them to be able to replicate some of the sonic effects from their records when performing live, so they used a tape.
@@MostEasterlySteve I first heard Siouxsie Sioux make this claim on Peter Powell's show back in the 1980s. As Peter said then "Well they weren't miming when I saw them!" Jeff Lynne has always been open about their use of backing tracks for the special effects that would be impossible to reproduce live, but I'm not aware of anyone showing that they mimed to vocals. Even when i saw them in 1978 Jeff avoided the highest notes in the chorus of Telephone Line because he knew he couldn't reach them reliably live.
The Henley Army will be coming for you.
Walking out after the concert:
Jack: "Vocals were great."
Jill: "And the backup recordings were well played too."
Great update as always Fil. That’s fine Fil no worries
They should be sued for fraud.
Now I would consider going to see the Eagles live. We all love the Eagles. Do it "Live" and the audience is so much bigger. Your music and performances are unforgettable. Once we get to a point where the machine is taking over, then game over. We lose the video game we are all living in and it is over rover. We do win the game we are in. The hologram and Matrix is breaking. Omega is almost faded out completely. Birthing pains. A new beginning. Great video Wings.
I thought that the "Hell freezes over" concert sounded really good. Now I'm questioning whether they were actually singing it live. This is sort of like when Toto pulled the curtain back and exposed the great wizzard.
Toto, you say? I don't know about this. Can you tell me what to search to find out what you're referring to here please?
@@lucydayLucida, Toto was the dog in the movie "The Wizzard of Oz".
Thanks Fil. I so appreciate your commitment to objective data and integrity.
Give 'em a break! In their live shows they're doing EVERYTHING live except their singing and their playing! What more do you want for just $500 a ticket? Let me guess. Next you're going to expect it to actually be THEM in person on the stage!
LOL 🤣
Like KISS! 😂😂😂
Without makeup and technicians???😮
Bwahahahaha
Holograms next?
This guys ear and analytical skills are on a galactic size scale .
The eagles are such legends, no one wants to hear a digital voice.. the human voice can’t be matched….yet. At what point are they defrauding customers who are paying for a live show and hearing a studio recording??
As soon as you hand over your hundreds of dollars for a LIVE IN CONCERT performance, that's when!
The rap/hiphop genre addressed this at some point (because they blatantly use pre-recorded vocals and just jump in and out of vocals at whatever points they choose to) .. they claimed 'it's a stageshow/party' so the vocals are not important.. the audience is basically there to have a good time effectively partying with the artist.
Something along those lines... but as a metalhead I would never pay to see something like that.. might as well just have the artist stand motionless on stage while the pre-recorded bits play in the background at that point.
All sound is digitize nowadays and has been since back in the 80s when CDs came out. Digitizing sound doesn't make a singer better. That is not the issue that Fil is going over in this video.
@@ToddSauveyeah... it ain't rocket surgery! 😅😅😅
Were legends. Not Are legends. When a legend turns sour and spoils it's legacy, the legend becomes an ex-legend.
Another fantastic video, THANK YOU 🎉
“Nolite te Bastardes Carborundorum” (latin).
They will try and silence every last person trying to speak the truth. It is more important now than ever for all of us to stay vigilante and keep speaking the truth. Love you Fil, still watching from Washington State.
This is why i like artists like John Farnham. He never sings a song the same way twice. Every performance has something a little different timing wise, vocal runs, even changes the key up and down. Yet always "sounds" perfectly in tune on time and delivers powerful and emotive vocals, even at the end of a 3 hour concert.
I know some of his appearances on Tv shows used backing tracks, because that was the what the studios insisted on
But never in a live concert. Even in his 70's he never mimed. You can tell as he sometimes gets out of breath....but the power of his vocals and the ability to sing i the same key as when he was younger is something to see ..they actually made him mime on TV shows like bandstand when he was still a teenager...and he even admits that he was terrible at it....and would never do it ever again
Would love to see what his voice looks like on your systems .
Front of House Engineer humming Bette Midler right now. “Did you ever know that you're my hero? You're everything I wish I could be. I could fly higher than an eagle. For you are the wind beneath my wings” ❤
Nice one Fil. Unbelievable! Keep up the good work 👍
WoP keepin' 'em honest out there! Thanks, mate!
Oh boy, here we go again. 😮
*a song from Whitesnake....
Great video. Thank you again for posting.
So The Eagles have been a karaoke band in recent years 🤷♀
Miming is frowned upon also in karaoke.
They're not even singing!
Thank you for calling this out!!!! I love live music 🎶 that's why I go to a concert. I have the record already.
That's what I liked about the concerts in the 70's. Sometimes the band had a bad night, but sometimes there were amazing performances and it was raw and in your face. That's what live is all about.
"what live is all about" "... about 40 minutes past start time" in the case of waiting for ELO to finally take the stage. Minus the "Spaceship" prop, which gets advertised all along ahead of the concert and then you show up (Providence RI convention center) and a very worn-out sign at the entrance says it won't be there.
At least the playing was good. Kaminski wore out a couple of violin bows, so that was probably for real.
Good work, Phil!
The Eagles without Glenn Frey ain't the Eagles anymore!
The Eagles with Vince Gill is better.
You’re a true Maestro (a great or distinguished figure in any sphere.) Good on you for this victory.
It matters!
They got caught cheating and their reaction was: "Let's use a different vocal recording, leave out the pitch correction, make a minor tweak to the instrumental recording and increase the pressure on unauthorized uploads. That will be enough to prevent anyone from noticing we are cheating."
Come one Eagles, that's plain stupid.
I've seen some bands playing live, many of them twice or more often. Some of them I've seen two nights in a row. None of them managed to play the same song identically twice. Some of them intentionally added variations instead of trying to copy themselves. There is nothing wrong about not sounding the same every night. That's the magic of live music! Variations add even more quality to it. Playing live is life!