The Incredible Hulk: Does Edward Norton's Only MCU Movie Hold Up?
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- 2008 was an important year for the MCU, with Iron Man being the first in what would become the biggest cinematic franchise of all time. But, people tend to ignore the other big Marvel movie that came out that year, Universal’s The Incredible Hulk. Yes, this is the movie where Edward Norton - in a one-and-done appearance - plays Bruce Banner/ The Hulk in what was supposed to lead into a recurring role that would have seen him as part of The Avengers. It didn’t happen, with Mark Ruffalo famously taking over the part. Many believe The Incredible Hulk isn’t part of the MCU canon, but that would be a mistake as the film introduces such recurring characters as Tim Roth’s Emil Blonksy, William Hurt’s Thunderbolt Ross, and Liv Tyler’s Betty Ross, who’s set to return to the MCU in Captain America: Brave New World. How does The Incredible Hulk hold up fifteen years later? We’ll dive into it in this episode of Marvel Revisited!
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I miss Edward Norton. I trust his opinion on filmmaking.
He's still alive, and making movies.
💀I trust him too because what he wanted for sure is better then what we got now
Not as widely known as Iron Man? Before Iron Man launched the MCU - the Hulk had a 5 season TV show and 3 TV movies and a feature film! So I'd argue - Hulk was more widely known than Iron Man, at least for those that lived through the 70s and 80s.
It sounds like normie talk. So I guess the only widely known Marvel Characters are Spider-Man and Wolverine everyone else is C-list and the MCU started with C-list characters.
Spider-Man, Hulk, the X-Men, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, Captain America, and Thor are all Marvel A-Listers.
Yeah, that's one of the most stupid things they have ever said. I can agree about Iron Man - in my country he definitely wasn't well known until the Marvel movies. But the Hulk? Everyone knows him - not just comic book fans. He has always been there in some form. He's nothing like Iron Man. Nothing at all.
@@emanueljackson1728 True that! Iron Man, the Hulk , Thor or any of those characters were never C-list characters for those who actually read the books. They were marquee names whose names were emblazoned on the titles!
@@emanueljackson1728 LMFAO Hulk, Fantastic Four, Captain America, Thor and Iron Man hadn't been A-list characters in decades...Its literally the reason The Avengers comic was created...Its more hilarious when people pretend that everything they might read has to be A-list because they read it. Hulk wasn't relevant until Planet Hulk/World War Hulk happened which happened to be after the MCU.
Just because YOU think everything must be A-list doesn't change that even Marvel and Stan Lee himself said that The Avengers book was literally created because people weren't reading those books, so to have something to do with the characters they were put into a team.
@@lutherheggs451 Those are they A-Listers those are the characters who Marvel promote and license all the time for merchandise, cartoons, and video games. Who are the Marvel A-Listers in YOUR opinion?
How was the Hulk not relevant until 2008? He's widely a wide recognized Marvel character. The Hulk one of the most adapted and promoted Marvel characters.
So in YOUR opinion the Avengers were created in 1962 because no one was reading the Marvel books? 😂
Still think Norton's take on Bruce Banner was far better in comparison to Ruffalo's. And the design for his Hulk looked better as well
Absolutely.
Ruffalo’s Banner is way too much of a goofball these days. I can’t imagine had they kept Norton if he would act the same way
100%. Ruffalo’s version is like a Californian male who then turns into The Hulk when he’s angry. It’s far less believable.
That shit is trash bro go watch it again. You gonna laugh at the shitty graphics.
Agreed, Norton is a better Banner. He's closer to the one in the comics. He and Bill Bixby have the right vibe.
Now that multiverses are all the rage. They should bring Norton back as Bruce Banner from a different timeline.
Edward Norton is a great actor
I doubt Ed want to do that
@@fikrirahmatnurhidayat4988He difinitely won't because of how MCU has turned into a joke. They wouldn't dare to even match the tone of the 2008 movie, let alone go darker like Norton originally wanted it to be.
I was really sad that Norton wasn't able to continue being the Hulk. I've heard all sorts of reasons for that. If not for the success of this film, the MCU wouldn't be possible.
Agree, despite whatever happened behind the scenes I think he made a good Bruce and you can tell the way he played the character this guy had been through hell. Plus I love how passionate he was about the film to want to rewrite it and fill it with cameos. I loved how he was watching The Courtship of Eddie's Father with the great Bill Bixby and of course we had the cameos of Stan Lee and Lou Ferrigno but there were other actors and voice actors spread through ought. Maybe we can get a multiverse film where Norton comes back as an alternate Hulk alongside Ruffalo and we can get Agents of SMASH lol.
@@zombiejlt1 Sorry, but "Iron Man" made the MCU possible. The Hulk solo films are, at this point, forgotten. Should they try another solo outing? Nah. Right now, superhero movies seem to be on a steep incline. After the Avengers saga, I believe a lot of people simply checked out of the genre. Time for the next "big thing" to come along. Maybe Westerns? Who knows? No one thought "Star Wars" would be such a phenomenon. No one thought "Iron Man" would have so much impact. Could the "Super Mario Bros." movie be the new template for success? Once more, who knows?
@@jerryschramm4399the hulk films are definitely not forgotten since they are the times they did hulk right and gave justice too. We need a new hulk movie since they did the character so dirty. We need them to redeem hulk and bring justice to the character again !!!! 🤬
Right I remember after iron man and then when this came out I was so excited. The way hulks struggles were portrayed were awesome
Eric Bana and Edward Norton Hulks were true beasts and both films understood the character.
Mark Ruffalo's Hulk is a pathetic joke.
Not true. The Avengers got the character very well, except for the large group of Chitauri blasting him down when he would've/should've thunder clapped them away. Age of Ultron isn't bad except for a sucker punch knocking him out and Ragnarok would've been different if he had been the focal point but couldn't because of reasons given in this video. He was still close except that he doesn't appear to really get mad, therefore increasing his strength...
@@Young8mvp wow so you think a Hulk who spends time in coffee shops and wears reading glasses is how he should behave? You are ok with that?
@@glowimagery634 Well, since I purposely left out Infinity War and Endgame, I would think it would be obvious that I am not okay with how he was depicted in those two movies...
Edward Norton had the best hulk movie
Eric Bana actually
You can be excused for not being aware of this--- but the opening credit sequence of this film is an homage to the original Hulk television series; it's a complete recreation of the old show's opening credit sequence.
I prefered this version of Hulk/Bruce Banner before the character was tamed and made a comic relief
Ed definitely had the best looking Hulk, very savage and beastly.
Back when the Hulk & Bruce were 2 different separate personalities inhabiting the same body
yes but now we can't have angry super heroes now in our woke society. He has to emasculated.
Exactly. I hate the woke crap
This is my hulk. I would love to see more of this guy in MCU.
oh so you're not a fan of the new hulk who wears glasses, likes coffee and reading newspapers?
It was Banner on the run & he had a clear goal. I also liked that they set up the Captain America connection in what feels like a more subtle way here. Especially after the action-comedy tone of most of the MCU post GOTG & Avengers, the serious feel is refreshing.
Still my favourite hulk, and one of my all time favourite Marvel movies. Shame they didn’t proceed with this version.
Despite all the behind the scenes problems with Edward Norton and Marvel this was a great Hulk movie
It was and i absolutely love the Hulk design especially the green glowing eyes and the long hair i like the Hulk design later in the MCU but he just looks like a baby this Hulk looks like an absolute monster
@kaponosucks I really liked Edward Norton as Bruce Banner. I wish he had come back, but him and Marvel just didn't see eye to eye
I've always liked this movie. Edward Norton really shines. The first act of Bruce in Brazil is a highlight. I like that's its very character focused and takes itself more seriously.
This is the Hulk we know and love
Not the Avengers' pet/comic relief
This one could take down Thanos
Strong, complex, competent male characters are banned in the MCU.
@@destronia123exactly
This my favourite MCU movie. I like that Banner doesn’t trust Hulk
There was a difference, by the end he could control it. I think if they made a part 2 with Norton, it would have been epic.
I’m so glad people are looking at this film in a positive light like I was when I first saw the movie 15 years ago.
I've watched the movie in 2010 For the first time in TV....And after Watching this movie,, i loved hulk a lot ❤...i was so hyped to watch him again,,but when i watched the 1st avengers movie,, i was very disappointed bcz of changing the actors even hulk also..But yeah Honestly i love E.N hulk than M.R hulk 😊
Before Disney took over
The MCU was following its own rules
The Incredible Hulk struck a darker, more serious tone compared to most other MCU movies. It shows that there’s room for a variety of tones within the MCU. Future projects could aim for a balance, incorporating humor and lightheartedness while also delving into the darker and more serious aspects of the characters and their stories.
The Best Incredible Hulk!!! They were able to show the Abomination stronger than the Hulk in base form...
and then they were able to show the Incredible Hulk get stronger the longer the fight wore on...
and then Disney made Hulk into Shrek!!!
Also, now, Ed is a better Bruce than Ruffalo... why? because Ed had the back bone to try to fight for the Hulk sake... while Ruffalo just ate what Disney threw at him and asked for seconds...
🎯💯 facts
"Don't make me Shrek. You wouldn't like me when I'm Shrek."🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So much better then Mark Ruffalo
I like Norton but I feel like Ruffalo provided a more laid back feel towards Bruce Banner, which fit the tone of what Disney had in mind for the MCU.
Ruffalo was bad in the role and in general is highly overrated as an actor. Norton is a far superior actor and should have remained in the Banner role
@@barbiqueareathat's the problem for mcu fans, it's that you don't read comics, Norton also would have made his Bruce be relaxed but that's not the character's goal he must be stressed all the time with fear in his stomach and Hulk must be the complete opposite if Banner is puny and stressed, Hulk must be powerful and dangerous, he was thrown out of the MCU precisely because he wanted to continue that the hulk films were dark like Christopher Nolan's Batman was, c is what he hoped for by wanting to have control over the script and it cost him his role and his exclusion, he was fired for respecting the character of the Hulk lol
Still one of the best Marvel films, from the early days when they gave directors freedom to impart their agency on the films.
Norton was a far better Banner/Hulk than Ruffalo, and the film manages to give you an 'origin story' in its opening credits while honoring the TV show.
And the action was fine with the pacing being pretty good. It's a shame we never got to see this version of Hulk carry on.
Facts 💯🎯
Hulk was one of the most well known Marvel heroes outside of comics since the 70s. Why do you people always get that wrong ?
I liked this movie the first time I saw it. I still like this movie.
Me too!
Also - a super hero movie under 2 hours is nice
Yes, it does. Don´t believe MCU revisionists who always look down on this movie for not having jokes and quips for 8 year olds.
Starr plays the same person in Hulk and Spiderman, while Peter's principle is actually the grandson of the character the same actor played in Captain America (he even has a picture of his grandfather in his office)
Tony Stark: What if I told you we were putting a team together?
Gen. Thaddeus 'Thunderbolt' Ross: Who's "we"?
Great film, well done, and the CGI was strong. That final battle was awesome. Love this film
I rewatched this recently and it was better than I remember.
Plus come on, the post credit stinger is one of the best still!
This was a great movie and Norton's Banner/Hulk is leaps and bounds better than Ruffalos garbage.
Even Norton's HULK had it's quirky moments, but his is still my favorite portrayal.
The last time I saw THE INCREDIBLE HULK, was Age of Ultron.
I'll never understand why they neutered him and SheHulk put the final nail in his coffin.
I'm not looking forward to Ruffalo's World War or Planet Hulk or whatever, because it won't make sense.
They'd have to erase everything from the end of Age of Ultron, straight through SheHulk.
Norton might be the only one who could save the Hulk with a complete reboot.
I hope Disney sells him back to Universal.
Sorry, a bit of a side track about the recent Hollywood strike. I had an experience with Motion Capture and voice acting and have to say even though gaming industry is a colossus these days, voice over actors and mo cap performers are not fully considered 'equal' talent as traditional actors. What's really interesting right now is that the mainstream, 'regular' actors demand royalties for their digital likeness when it's used on new projects they are not technically involved with. Something MoCap actors could relate to...I guess the movie studios figured that their 'creative accounting' and sometimes cruel contracts/ NDA's would go unnoticed into this new era of streaming. They were wrong, preparation is everything and they were completely ill prepared for this new platform of entertainment.
PS. You almost saw me as Leon in the new Resident Evil games :)
Also, can you create a tribute to the late and amazing Kevin Conroy? He's the sole reason I got into acting in the first place.
After what Disney did to Hulk and Thor
I'm not looking forward to see what they'll do with the X-Men
Just look what they did to Xavier
Same for the Fantastic Four.
This
Hulk not a household name? AHAHAAHAHAHA.
Fun Fact: Before Edward Norton Was Cast As Bruce Banner And Later Replaced By Mark Ruffalo For Future Films. David Duchovny, Dominic Purcell And Joaquin Phoenix Were Also Considered For The Role Of Bruce Banner
Ruffalo is a joke tho he made hulk into some selfie taking pansy ...Edward will always be the real Bruce banner and hulk he had the essence of the character kind of like what Hugh is to wolverine or raynolds is to Deadpool you can't replace them
Absolutely. Incredible Hulk is underappreciated and it's ranked in my top 10 MCU movies.
Norton wasn’t a Yes-man. He was a true talent and people that can’t realize how much he would’ve done for that character a dense in a way that only children can relate too.
Maybe this is worth a re-watch, I dont recall thinking much of it at the time but you've convinced me to give it another go
It's probably the best MCU movie.
I think it’s a little unfair to bash The Incredible Hulk because it follows the typical MCU formula when films like Iron Man, Thor, Doctor Strange and Ant-Man follow the same style and are generally well regarded among fans.
This is my favorite Hulk from the MCU by far.
Wait… Did you guys forget The Incredible Hulk had a hugely popular TV series in the ‘70s and ‘80s? 🤔 That absolutely helped propel the character into pop culture consciousness long before there was an MCU to speak of.
I never understood why this movie was so hated when it's exactly comics accurate, this movie totally respects the character of Bruce Banner puny and stressed and Hulk who is totally his opposite extremely powerful and dangerous at the same time, we can what we want on the fact that Norton tried to change the scenario or whatever it is tell you that he did it for the good cause and that it's very rare to find an actor so involved in his role most of them don't give a fuck whereas he actually prepared two other hulk films which would be as dark as Christopher Nolan's Batman films, but unfortunately the progressiveness to touch Marvel studios and Kevin Feige, with the takeover of Disney it multiplied by 10, they preferred to take Mark Ruffalo who although he is a good actor he absolutely does not correspond to the character of Bruce Banner either physically or even in behavior, his Hulk is similar to a gorilla out of the zoo and who is constantly being calmed down by Thor or Iron man
in short the replacement of Norton also meant the disappearance of the aggressive and monstrous Hulk, it was enough simply to adhere to his demands on the scenario to completely change Hulk from the mcu and to keep Norton, Feige would have accepted Norton's demands here is what would have happened: Norton still in Bruce / Hulk, Universal would continue to cooperate with Marvel and accept that Hulk also has a trilogy and a major place in the mcu in the Avengers films, Hulk would have taken his revenge on Thanos by participating in the final battle with Iron Man, Captain America and Thor and finally everyone would have liked Hulk
it was all down to one choice but Feige decided otherwise and preferred to lick the balls of Robert Downey jr and Chris Evans for them to be the leaders, he knew very well that Norton was going to steal the spotlight from them given the great actor he is compared to them, the MCU was based on Iron man and Captain America and made the Hulk a completely useless secondary character, I don't know what will happen for the future but Marvel without the Hulk that doesn't attract me at all everything and if we have to have a solo film and Universal gives the rights to the Hulk to Marvel studios only Norton's return as Bruce/Hulk will make me see these films with Ruffalo I have no guarantee and I don't like him in this role
Exactly
It's still my favorite Marvel movie to date. I was sad not to see Norton reprise his role.
Not a Mark Ruffalo fan. Not a fan of what they’ve done with the Hulk in the MCU
I watched Hulk 2008 for the first time back in 2022. And I have to say, at that point in time, looking back on what Marvel feature films used to be like back then was an experience.
I read somewhere that, yes, Martin Starr is indeed playing the same person in this as in the MCU Spider-Man films. Feige confirmed this in a Reddit AMA.
It was ok at the time I enjoyed it and was kinda bummed at first when they recast it but Ruffalo is really good. Plus the end credit scene was amazing
The whole Hulk green soda thing was my favorite part
I remember Hulk being more recognized than Iron Man during the 2000s. Hulk had movies, a ride, several tv shows, merchandise, popular toys, and so much more. Everyone knew who Hulk was. He was on the same level as Batman, Superman, and Spiderman for his popularity and image.
I didn't know Iron Man existed until I watched the 1990s Marvel animated shows like Fantastic Four and Spiderman, where he showed up as a guest. I even watched his show after those cartoons aired on Disney re-run blocks.
Years later, that's when the Iron Man movie came out and that he started to become more recognizable. And when the Avengers came out, Iron Man became a pop culture icon.
So Hulk was really popular back then, and still is.
Seeing how badly the MCU is treating the Hulk now Edward Norton dodged a bullet right there
Yeah, it definitely still holds up. I recently started rewatching all the MCU films in order, and I honestly gotta say they all pretty much hold up.
Tim Blake Nelson is coming back for Captain America 4
And Liv Tyler’s Betty Ross.
Bullshit; The Hulk has been a "household name" since the 80s.
I loved this movie from start to finish. Probably the only MCU film I've seen 20 times. No clue why it got the hate it got. Its far better than 90% of the MCU content released recently
This hulk acts like the hulk 👍😁
They got the Hulk RIGHTS Back. Since May or June this year.
I like Edward Norton’s Hulk better than Mark Ruffalo’s
Definitely didn't then or now, they wanted to capture the heart of the 70"s show but norten is as good of a. Actor as Bill Bixby
Yes he was
Fun Fact: Mark Ruffalo was actually the director Louis Leterrier’s first choice for the role of Bruce Banner in 2008’s The Incredible Hulk, but Marvel wanted Edward Norton because he was more famous at the time
Marvel has confirmed that Martin Starr’s character is same guy in both movies and it’s just him in college
I liked Tim Roth as Abomination
A lot of L takes in this video. Its okay if you're more of a "quippy" marvel movie fan but Norton's hulk was solid and it stayed true to banner as a character, not the joke setup he is now in the mcu. Its a shame. This film was better than most of the stuff thats come out in the mcu. The school fight with Blonsky is still such a dope fight.
Ruffalo did a good job, but I think he ruined the role with his politics. I see Norton as the better actor between the two.
Ruined the role with politics? Can you fill me in?
@@user-nf6hm2bl3p his anti-Trump rants and rants against white men in general. Same thing with Chris Evans. They don't accept that any normal person can have an opinion different than their own. They are poster boys for Disney now.
@@michaelhowell2326 Oh. I wasn't aware. Well that doesn't have anything to do with the actual role, they just act out a script in the movies.
Hulk was actually more popular before the MCU. The Lou Ferrigno series was gigantic. Along with wonder woman, it was one of the few superhero characters that was actually successful on television. People don't realize how big that show was. Mostly because it was a very long time ago, and they weren't even born yet. And by the 90s, most people recognized the hulk. Way more than iron man. There's a roller coaster at Universal Studios named after the hulk. And its the most famous roller coaster in the world.
He gets slapped by the legendary Rickson Gracie, which automatically makes it better than all the other MCU films combined.
Looking for a Hulk movie that focuses more on the inner conflict would have to look no further than Ang Lee's Hulk in 2003. While not perfect, definitely was not a typical superhero movie (which ironically was what it was slammed for) and had is own sense of uniqueness. There's more emotional heart, drama, and reflection where the other itineration's of Hulk in the other movies that followed just seemed to pale in comparison. Perhaps it could be argued that it was ahead of its time, who knows.
I'm a fan of that one. Feels like a live action comic.
Norton’s movie was very weird. And the best!
From the director of FAST X
11:08 "A movie that dared to be bold and experiment with the strange and dark journey of a man who is... completely unwell."
You just described Ang Lee's 'Hulk'. Which is why I still love that movie to this day.
I like the look of this Hulk much better. good stuff peeps!
Not to mention, Norton was watching a movie that had Bill Bixby on it. The TV show David Banner.
70s The Incredible Hulk is my favorite.
Its disappointing we didnt get Marvels incredible hulk 2 or Incredible hulk vs the red hulk in the mcu
in hindsight the better hulk
Edward Norton Bruce banner is definitely better and even though the story line isn't very imaginative, it is the same as the source material.
It was the only Marvel film I owned for a while. Hulk teally looked like Hulk. The story was the show with modern FX and a budget. Norton would not have allowed a devolution into stand-up comedy. Too bad Universal kept distribution while Matvel got the film rights. That arrangement really screwed up thing when Disney bought Marvel.
6:42 Ty Burrell is the only one left to return to the MCU with Liv Tyler returning as Betty Ross in Captain America 4.
It's great to see General Ross Abomination, and Betty show up in recent MCU films and TV shows. It's a great movie that needs more love.
Yup they are indeed the same dude. He was a student in the incredible Hulk.
I like this movie cause it’s an homage to the wonderful hit television series in 1978
you failed to mention the movie included the iconic "sad" background music that's played at the end of every episode of the classic tv series. Hearing it brought back memories I had of the show
The Hulk was not a lesser known character. That's flat-out wrong. There was a very popular TV series in the 70s. He was much better known than Iron Man.
I thought emil blonsky was given an imperfect recreation of the captain America super soldier serum
"In many ways this is the closest thing to an MCU solo Hulk adventure that we're going to get." What? Sometimes these videos are really well done and others I feel like you're just recalling things without doing any real research. That quote itself makes no sense. This is quite literally a solo Hulk adventure set in the MCU, It's been referenced multiple times and most of the cast are coming back to play the same characters in the next Captain America movie. So what the hell are you talking about? The bigger issue is that there's a very good chance Marvel does now have the rights to make a new Hulk solo film. You didn't even bother to mention who else owns the film rights and why. Is that not important information? It was Universal since when they first started they had no way to distribute the films so they signed a deal with Universal for Hulk and Paramount for Iron Man. I say was because it's been discovered that the Paramount deal was for 15 years and that's most likely the same deal they had with Universal. Since 'Incredible Hulk' came out in June of 2008 the deal that Universal has over distributing solo Hulk films has potentially expired if it indeed had the 15 year timeframe. Which means there's a very good chance the rights have now reverted to Marvel and they are able to make solo Hulk films without going through Universal.
Edward Norton is the goat
Funny, I actually hear that a lot; it seems MOST fans kinda want the Paramount movie's action and effects, but the Ang Lee movie's plot and pacing... strange indeed. =\
I think you are way off when you say the hulk wasnt as well known to non comic readers.
Hulk is one if marvel's most popular characters, and has been part of pop culture for a long time with TV shows, cartoons, video games, and tons of licensed products going back decades.
Edward Norton was great in Glass Onion
Honestly the only characters holding up the mcu are spiderman thor/loki doctor strange ms.marvel but without the Incredible Hulk Marvel has lost its greatest strength .
THR FILM RIGHTS ARE AT MARVEL!! THE DISTRIBUTION RIGHTS ARE WHAT IS AT UNIVERSAL!
Didn't Disney eventually get the rights last year? I recall something like that.
I feel like this dude just hating. This is the best take on hulk ever on screen and Bruce.
Current Hulk is absolutely trash
Norton is better than Ruffalo as BB and this the best LOOKING hulk on film
I haven't watched your video yet but I want to answer your title question before I watch your analysis. The answer is no... It does not hold up as an MCU movie as it is not an MCU movie, but yes it does hold up as a movie and it is the best version of the hulk we have gotten as a feature. OK now to watch your video
It’s definitely an MCU movie. Robert Downey Jr. Is in it as Tony stark and talks about recruiting Bruce to the Avengers!
@@KierGomes I don't consider him being in a post credit scene the same as him being in it. The movie is very differently shot, paced and structured to every other MCU film and it really does not fit in with the rest. It stands alone
11:02 because they immediately cast aside everything that the Movie set up,
The Abomination potentially returning? Never did anything with it (I am not counting She-Hulk and Shang Chi that was nearly 20 years after)
Not using General Ross as someone who Hunts The Hulk and never letting them interact after this Movie (and don’t start with Captain America 4 this is also nearly 20 years after and they could’ve done that since who knows when)
And same goes with the leader.
The Movie has no impact because the MCU ignored everything.