@dbdude_2that game has no story it has nothing at all its just a loss of time it doesnt count Daisy is only there to fill spots, they just threw her on a random remix 30 thingy with no context like bruh shes totally in a mainline
@@i-lv7ug No its not, ik peach still gets kidnapped but aside from that its just an excuse of a mainline And it doesnt add a little more since they Just put random stages for random worlds to say its a new world when they just want miney Daisy doesnt have to do anything with this game, shes not important Nintendo wants to call that a mainline when u cant even control your own movement, and the game itself just sucks Like, ok then just tell me whats Daisy role on the game if its not a booster to make people play remix 30 :/ she has no role shes just there because Nintendo knows shes a fan favorite
@@mallow4460 nintendo made the game so they have the rights to say that it's mainline. You can disagree with it but your opinion doesn't change anything
Super Mario Run is listed as a mainline game on Nintendo's official website. You're allowed to disagree but they made the game so they have the rights to say that it's mainline
I think Daisy is actually just moving up in the cast as her slight redesign in the switch era, updated and new renders, smash, run, included in a lot of promotional stuff, her band in Nintendo world and now wonder. It all just points to me that they're deciding to use her to be apart of the main cast.
After her popularity in Smash, I'm THRILLED to see them willing to incorporate Daisy again! It's always shocked me how little attention they've paid to her over the years when it seems almost obvious to even just throw her in as an NPC or a cameo at some point, but to see her playable!? That's a surprise I never saw coming. Thanks for spreading (and dissecting) the hype!
Daisy is the most hype and i congratulate Daisy fans...but also seeing my boy Yoshi upgraded from being a support NPC to Playable is just chef kiss just....amazing
As someone whose first games were Super Mario Land and Donkey Kong 94 this makes me so unbelievable happy, always loved Daisy and was sad she was side lined so much.
@@GoldLight73 Yeah, the game Boy one. Technically is only Called Donkey Kong, but to not get confused people call it Donkey Kong '94 since it came out in 1994
@@finikksu Ohhhh OK. I knew about that version of the game but I've never heard it called that. I thought you just made a typo trying to say Donkey Kong 64 and attempted to point it out. Now don't I look the fool?
@@GoldLight73 Not really, Since it not an official name and is pretty close I can certainly see how people may think that. In fact when I wrote the comment originally I wrote 64 out of habit and then corrected it.
Daisy's inclusion really makes me think, that their really going to be pushing the boundaries of the Mario franchise this time around. Never in years would I imagine a character who's only mainline appearances was her debut and a phone game would be in a New 2D Mario game. I'm hoping that this means she'll get use more often in other games such as Luigi's mansion or that untitled Peach game as a second player next year.
@Shyontheinternet99 Just imagine her being kidnapped by but making smart remarks or being a playable character but also putting a brave face when a jump scare happens.
I've been wondering for years as to why she isn't included in Luigi's Mansion. She could even be made playable. Like, imagine if Luigi would try to impress her by keeping his cool as much as possible xD
@@VenomLeon Basically a simlar reason as to why we never see Waluigi in adventure games either, their basically characters who's main purpose is to fill out rosters in Sports and party game. Its why we keep getting clone characters instead of one's from the actual recent titles.
I think it’s important to count Mario Run because as much as people don’t think of it as a “mainline” game, Nintendo does and I think her inclusion there could be the pivotal point in which Nintendo said “Y’know what?, we should use Daisy more”
This was a VERY well versed video, especially the analyzation of the Mario character tiers based on trends. As a Daisy fan, obviously her inclusion is what I'm most excited for, and it is undoubtedly surreal to finally see her in a mainline game after 30 years. And to see that someone who isn't even a Daisy fan shocked and excited shows how groundbreaking it is!
I kept hearing from a lot of Daisy's fans wanting to beg Nintendo for more attention and love for her. So I guess this would be the time for them to see her getting more attention and love for her, now. Now I'm imagining about Daisy being playable for the next 3D game.
They been censoring Daisy from the Previous Mario Spin-Offs and wasted 30 yrs to put more into the Mainline games... don't get your hopes up man, bc stuff like that should've happened along time ago😔
Princess Daisy has had a mainly good 2023. The good is Daisy Cruiser in BCP wave 5 and as a playable character in Mario Bros Wonder. The bad is that the datamined MOBDK track turned out to de a revival of DS Dokan Course called Pirhana Plant Pipeline and not a Sarasaland (Daisy Kingdom) track.
Given the rumors about the Ice Flower and Super Leaf being part of the Power-Ups in Wonder, one will have to wonder how Daisy would look when using them.
Here's the thing, Daisy was pretty much foreshadowed since her playable appearance in Super Mario Run with Yoshi. Nintendo considers that mainline and with her Smash Bros debut and her presence as part of the core cast in Super Nintendo World, her chances were pretty much locked.
It's the fact that she debuted in 1989 and wasn't getting much acknowledgement until this year, while, Rosalina who debuted in 2007 became more prominent from 2014 to around 2019 ish. Given that Luigi got the "Year of Luigi" in 2013 (30 years after his debut), it would've been good if she got her own year in 2019 since she debuted in 1989, but, sure, good for Daisy finally getting more acknowledgement!!! 💕
Imo stuff like that should've happened along time ago... and they been Censoring her from the Previous Mario Spin-Off Games, this might be different but I won't be excited until they stop doing Daisy dirty😡
This video is 100% accurate and solid. Part of why the NSMB Era games became so stale is because of how predictable they were down to their casts. The main protags would a l w a y s be Mario, Luigi, & a Toad or two. With only 3D World shaking this up for once by at least bringing in Peach again. And even though we got the rise of Toadette and Rosalina in mainline Mario, they're cool and all... but they also had a bit of a "safe" energy to them. Of course Rosalina, this recent and marketable character would make it. Ofc Toadette, basically another Toad, would make it. There was always still some safe energy behind them. Daisy is this 30 yr character who is theoretically "irrelevant", and should be left to rot in spinoff shackles. But them using a fan favorite character to change up the roster for once really shows a willingness to change and break out that stubborn and safe mentality. And that sold me on Mario Wonder more than anything tbh.
@@Quinhala11 Yes. Because this is a character who felt like they were banned from mainline games for years, for no reason, despite continued appearances in the overall series. Yes Rosalina had more actual story and depth, but she didn't have build-up to her popularity and standard appearances... she was just thrown into everything because she was new. Be for real. Nintendo wasn't thinking about her "story potential" lmao. Also by your logic, characters like Toadette and Luigi are worthless because they literally started out as "Green Player 2 Mario" or "Girl Toad made so he has a partner". There was also the myth that "Miyamoto and Nintendo hates characters like Daisy and Wario!" Even though a character like Wario at least made it into mainline lol. Swear, the arguments Mario fans make up against other characters is they're copies of other characters... when who we're stuck with in place of them are ACTUAL copies... like re-colored Toads or Metal clones. So thus, its why I say those characters are more safe than Daisy. She's an actual unique character with some type of background and her own personality at LEAST. Not a literal Peach clone that's something like say... Pink Gold lel.
@@knux333jw YOOOO, YOU COOKED HIM!! 🔥🔥 I was gonna respond to this fake Daisy fan, but you pretty much everything perfectly here lol- 100% AGREE and get what you're saying, thank you for defending best girl 😌🌼
@@knux333jw daisy is practically on same tier of peach its just that using a character from the same series seems way too safe, more crazy picks like geno or mallow or even sonic arent safe picks because there 3rd party characters a thing never happens in main Mario at all
@MatheusSaCorrea If daisy is orange peach then what the hell do think rosalina who look just like peach? She just space peach in a blue dress. She was only popular due to mario galaxy Era of that time. They have not done anything whit her since 3D world. Pink toad raise to fame is given birth to the worst mario meme ever made. Don't know how anyone whit a brain think daisy a peach clone when she the most unique of the Mario females in turns of personality and appearance.
this is such a fun topic, thanks for your tiers and breakdown!! personally as a long time daisy fan and long time ~~girl gamer~~ I never thought Id see the day, but it might also sit in an even bigger trend at nintendo: Ive heard Aya Kyogoku had been pushing for getting more girls interested in gaming, rather than pursuing a 'blue ocean' via a different age demographic, for years and years before breakthroughs with New Leaf and even more prominently saleswise, New Horizons. Things like New Horizons 40mil, Splatoon as the first series with mainly female faces and now Daisy being tier one material may well show fruits of a decade plus long internal shift to appeal to girls more IMO
literally lol its so obvious they are using her to be the second female character, they probably realised they need a second option for girls and after trying Toadette and Rosalina then Daisy it seems they are sticking with Daisy considering (the thing no one talks about regarding Daisy) she is one of the bands in Nintendo world like that is BIG literally all the characters in this game are the characters with bands at Nintendo world
Yes my girls in one mainline Mario game. The way it should’ve always been. Daisy and peach were always the best when they were together they seem to get along so well. Nintendo also had Daisy be the only other female to have a power up band at Nintendo world. They just want her to have more attention and love in general
Super Mario Run is listed as a mainline game on Nintendo's official website. You're allowed to disagree but they made the game so they have the rights to say that it's mainline
@eclipses3131 But the thing is they been censoring Daisy from the Previous Mario Spin-Offs... their something Fishy about Wonder, bc stuff like that should've happened along time ago😑
@@Officialchristophermorris yeah like they specifically removed a new voice line in Mario golf super rush and substituted it for an old voice line. Their treatment for princes Daisy is extremely incredibly inconsistent. I mean they have her in Mario run (Nintendo’s only mainline mobile game I think) and they have her in Nintendo world. Only the most popular and important characters are included in that theme park: Mario Luigi Peach Daisy Toad and Yoshi (same cast as Mario Run) I mean idk what to expect next. Can we expect a brief cameo in super princess peach 2? Or can we expect her to be in the Mario sequel / Luigi’s mansion movie? Who knows all i know is that I’m extremely grateful from the bottom of my heart that Daisy is finally in a mainline console platformer.
@@eclipses3131 Exactly! To me Nintendo's being Slick with those titles (especially the Later Update Garbage) and probably this title too I'm really glad your being Optimistic about this game, and I'll definitely give this one a chance... and idk about u, but I won't say "Thank You Nintendo" until they owe Daisy for all the Bullying they've been doing to her, and this RUN is not enough🤦♂️
Better yet, since this game is highly associated with flowers. (Eg. Flower Kingdom, Wonder Flower, Wonder Seed), it's a possibility that Daisy may not only be important gameplay wise, but even story wise. Since, as her name and overall design suggests, she's mainly associated with Flowers. Perhaps we'll get to see Sarasaland once more in this game as a world or smth! Either way, I'm happy for the Daisy fans, while I'm not one myself, I'm still happy for 'em! (Although...being a Donkey Kong fan ain't quite the best for these ongoing years...)
I'd say it's nice of Nintendo giving Daisy a starring part in a mainline Mario game after how many games she's been just the supporting or sidelined character. I'd look forward to playing her.
@@SmashupMashupsWhile it's Nice, but they ruined it whether see it not though. Fans literally been asking for this for Years, and they're just now doing thi?! I'm gonna continue to Complain
I honestly believe Daisy has finally appeared in a mainline Mario series because of Super Nintendo World (her as well as Mario, Luigi, Peach, Toad, and Yoshi are the main 6 that make up team Mario and have power up bands made after them). I also believe that Nintendo is definitely going to utilize Daisy in the upcoming sequel for the Super Mario Bros. Movie :)
Yeah, "Finally" it's Ridiculous we always have to wait until used Daisy outside of Spin-Offs... I won't praise Wonder until they learned their Lesson🤦♂️
That's Disrespectful that we have to for Years to have Daisy in a Non Spin-Off game! Idk about you but it's impossible to be Happy after they been neglecting her.
Even if they do, I refused to be Happy about it after they wastwd 30 years on her... they have along way to go to make up for it, after they been Bullying her Previously😖
Daisy is lowkey the ruler of 4 Kingdoms in Sarassaland, between that and keeping Wario from blowing up the place she probably doesn't have the time to run around and fight turtles - and given the Mushroom Kingdom's historical issues with princess kidnapping that's probably for the best.
Now that Daisy has been introduced in a huge game like this, I wonder whay other non-mainline mario character will get the spotlight soon. Maybe Waluigi.....?? Nah. In our dreams maybe.
The fact that Daisy's finnaly gonna be in a 2d mario game is amazing. For some reason i find that the fact that this mario game includes daisy Is maybe the biggest most important part of this game. Daisy has never played such a major roll in a mario game. Being able to play as daisy in a Mariogame is something that we don't get to do in enough mario games. I think that honestly, daisy is a really good mario character and that she should be a playable character in more of the mario games. Daisy is one of my favorite mario characters. She really hasn't been included enough In the mario video games. They really had to put daisy in this game. I'm really glad they put daisy into this game👍
It's just that they're just Scared from the Fact she has more Potential than Peach, and they're against that... to me there's something Fishy about Wonder and I won't Thank Nintendo until they learn their lesson for wasting Daisy all these years😑
The story I read is that when playtesting the game, the creator's two daughters fought over who could play as Peach. This inspired the decision to include Daisy.
I still believe there's something Fishy with that, whether that Story's True or Not, it doesn't change the Fact that Fans been asking for Daisy to be in the Mainline Games, or have her own Game after they've wasted 30 Years including her only in the Mario Spin-Offs
Super Mario Run is listed as a mainline game on Nintendo's official website. You're allowed to disagree but they made the game so they have the rights to say that it's mainline
“This is what is and isn’t allowed behind the scenes at Nintendo” vs “this is how I’d segment the Mario cast based on usage”. I never insinuated that these tiers are anything but a personal method to simplify the character utilization we’ve seen in mainline games and spin-offs, not that there’s like, a graph at Nintendo HQ titled “CHARACTER TIERS”. In comparison, Mario Mandate discussion usually incorporates assumptions - often contradictory among series’ like Paper Mario and Mario + Rabbids - to boldly claim that “this is what Nintendo developers aren’t allowed to do”. I said *sometimes* delusions btw.
1:12 Okay THAT is a HUGE hot take. Super Mario Bros. 3 & Super Mario World are considered two of the greatest video games ever made, while Donkey Kong Country is also among them but sold much less than Super Mario Bros 3, and Diddy Kong's Quest is considered lesser than the original selling way less than the previous game. Mario has been clowning on Donkey Kong since the beginning dude. Hell he MADE Donkey Kong the icon he is today. I mean no shade when I say that is a VERY controversial hot take.
Not true. Mario 3 and World are great, but DKC trilogy is pretty universally considered easily one of the best trilogies EVER. Just because they didn't sell like mario(no one does) doesn't mean they weren't better games and experiences.
@@PhazonVoorhees Super Mario World & Super Mario Bros 3 are considered some of the all-time greats of gaming in GENERAL. So putting them on the same level as the DKC trilogy is a bit of a moot point. They are all GOAT-ed games in some way or another, but Super Mario in particular has always been more popular.
While Wonder does look pretty different and Original than any other recent Main Titles, but at the same time there's something Fishy about it and I refuse to accept it after they been Censoring Daisy from the Previous Mario Spin-Offs games... but I'll give it a chance tho! Wonder was something we've been waiting for, but I won't get behind it untill they learn their lession for wasting 30 yrs to put her into more Mainline Games, this and RUN is not enough😔
Also, theres three theories involving Daisy and Peach, but first, who the hell did Bowser Kidnapped? 1- Nobody 2- A totally new character 3- A character we already seen
I wish I could believe this is a promotion for Daisy. I think this might have just been to make the game more suitable to play in family, giving the people who prefer playing with female characters a slightly wider range of options. That said, I hope this is really an inflection point and I get to play as Daisy for future mainline Mario games.
People been asking this for Years, and they're just *now* doing this? I just think we shouldn't Thank Nintendo just yet, because they been neglecting her since the N64 Era, and that's a Slap in the Face! 😡
I found out Daisy through the Nintendo DS game "Mario Hoops 3 on 3", and it was love at first sight. Since I was a teenager I dreamt of her been in a mainline game (I'm 28 years old now). I hope super "Mario Bros. Wonder" is only the first one of a long series! 🙏🏻🌼
It's Sad that we had to wait until we become Adults to get out wish to get more Daisy... and it's even more Sad some People are Thanking Nintendumb after they been Bullying her Previously😖
dude i like peach way more than daisy but JUST because she got included in super mario bros wonder made me completely ignore peach. i haven't played any other character except daisy because my girl finally gets mainline screentime
My logic was that he feels more like a “guest” than most of the other characters due to his separate notoriety. But I can definitely see why someone would fit him into the second tier.
I agree with that Objective Ranking list of the girls! But in my head Rosalina and Daisy are interchangeable on any day. But Peach is a HARD 3rd place!
Bowser Jr is definitely on the first tier, he's in Sunshine, the 2 Galaxies, Bowser's Fury, all NSMBs except 2, Smash, the Parks, merchandise, is gonna be in Wonder... I don't understand how Daisy being in it changes anything, Toadette literally originated from the spinoffs and is the only individual Toad outside of Toadsworth to be used like this, and she's co-lead of Captain Toad, she's in Maker, was the big new thing of NSMBUD... Toadette's inclusion in anything is waay more significant than Orange Daisy (and i say this as a Daisy fan)
um not really... think u forgot Toadette was immediately added to other games after double dash such as paper Mario TTYD and then galaxy. Plus she's literally just a Toad
*EXACTLY!* Again, there's something Fishy about Wonder😮💨 prepare for the Later Updates they'll toned down her Personality Like in Mario Golf: Super Rush🤦♂️
She finally got a promotion after 30 years, well deserved you go girl
The Fact that they wasted her 30 yrs is Sickening... I definitely won't defend that until they learned their lession
@@Officialchristophermorris yeah its so bad that they did that
Daisy hasn’t been in a mainline 2D Mario games in 34 years. She does deserve the spotlight.
I love Daisy
@dbdude_2that game has no story it has nothing at all its just a loss of time it doesnt count Daisy is only there to fill spots, they just threw her on a random remix 30 thingy with no context like bruh shes totally in a mainline
@@i-lv7ug No its not, ik peach still gets kidnapped but aside from that its just an excuse of a mainline
And it doesnt add a little more since they Just put random stages for random worlds to say its a new world when they just want miney
Daisy doesnt have to do anything with this game, shes not important
Nintendo wants to call that a mainline when u cant even control your own movement, and the game itself just sucks
Like, ok then just tell me whats Daisy role on the game if its not a booster to make people play remix 30 :/ she has no role shes just there because Nintendo knows shes a fan favorite
@@mallow4460 nintendo made the game so they have the rights to say that it's mainline. You can disagree with it but your opinion doesn't change anything
Super Mario Run is listed as a mainline game on Nintendo's official website. You're allowed to disagree but they made the game so they have the rights to say that it's mainline
I’m a Daisy fan, been asking Nintendo to include her for years. Can’t wait to play her in Super Mario Wonder.
I'm mad they been Bullying her all these years... I'll give Wonder a chance but I won't Thank Nintendo until they owe her an Apology😑
Sent them letters? 😆
@@theepicenter4106no
I think Daisy is actually just moving up in the cast as her slight redesign in the switch era, updated and new renders, smash, run, included in a lot of promotional stuff, her band in Nintendo world and now wonder. It all just points to me that they're deciding to use her to be apart of the main cast.
They saw how annoyed people were that she wasn’t in Mario Strikers and finally realised how beloved she is
i hope so bc i'm still not over how in mario strikers she wasn't even in the base game but was added as a DLC. (and that game was made last year) 😭
@@mrcritical6751 no cus what were they thinking? she's practically the face of strikers and they just decided to not include her originally??
@@bunsealu she’s practically the face of Mario Sports in general, her entire personality is hyper competitive sporty girl for crying out loud
Makes me wonder if they’re gonna use her in the second movie
Pauline is definitely slowly becoming a “tier 3” character, and I’m excited to see her join more and more Mario media!
After her popularity in Smash, I'm THRILLED to see them willing to incorporate Daisy again! It's always shocked me how little attention they've paid to her over the years when it seems almost obvious to even just throw her in as an NPC or a cameo at some point, but to see her playable!? That's a surprise I never saw coming. Thanks for spreading (and dissecting) the hype!
Daisy is the most hype and i congratulate Daisy fans...but also seeing my boy Yoshi upgraded from being a support NPC to Playable is just chef kiss just....amazing
As someone whose first games were Super Mario Land and Donkey Kong 94 this makes me so unbelievable happy, always loved Daisy and was sad she was side lined so much.
Wait, DK94?
@@GoldLight73 Yeah, the game Boy one. Technically is only Called Donkey Kong, but to not get confused people call it Donkey Kong '94 since it came out in 1994
@@finikksu Ohhhh OK. I knew about that version of the game but I've never heard it called that. I thought you just made a typo trying to say Donkey Kong 64 and attempted to point it out. Now don't I look the fool?
@@GoldLight73 Not really, Since it not an official name and is pretty close I can certainly see how people may think that. In fact when I wrote the comment originally I wrote 64 out of habit and then corrected it.
It's Sickening bro... I advise u to not Thank Nintendo, bc that's Ridiculous they wasted 30 yrs to used Daisy more outside of Mario Spin-Offs😑
Daisy's inclusion really makes me think, that their really going to be pushing the boundaries of the Mario franchise this time around. Never in years would I imagine a character who's only mainline appearances was her debut and a phone game would be in a New 2D Mario game. I'm hoping that this means she'll get use more often in other games such as Luigi's mansion or that untitled Peach game as a second player next year.
@Shyontheinternet99 Just imagine her being kidnapped by but making smart remarks or being a playable character but also putting a brave face when a jump scare happens.
I will literally break down when she's in a Luigi's mansion game. It will be too beautiful. I say will not would cause I'm so much more hopeful now 🥲
I've been wondering for years as to why she isn't included in Luigi's Mansion. She could even be made playable. Like, imagine if Luigi would try to impress her by keeping his cool as much as possible xD
@@VenomLeon Basically a simlar reason as to why we never see Waluigi in adventure games either, their basically characters who's main purpose is to fill out rosters in Sports and party game. Its why we keep getting clone characters instead of one's from the actual recent titles.
Im so happy she’s finally being added! She deserved it after so much time tbh! Was surprised to see Rosalina release in such a game before her
I think it’s important to count Mario Run because as much as people don’t think of it as a “mainline” game, Nintendo does and I think her inclusion there could be the pivotal point in which Nintendo said “Y’know what?, we should use Daisy more”
This was a VERY well versed video, especially the analyzation of the Mario character tiers based on trends. As a Daisy fan, obviously her inclusion is what I'm most excited for, and it is undoubtedly surreal to finally see her in a mainline game after 30 years. And to see that someone who isn't even a Daisy fan shocked and excited shows how groundbreaking it is!
I kept hearing from a lot of Daisy's fans wanting to beg Nintendo for more attention and love for her. So I guess this would be the time for them to see her getting more attention and love for her, now. Now I'm imagining about Daisy being playable for the next 3D game.
They been censoring Daisy from the Previous Mario Spin-Offs and wasted 30 yrs to put more into the Mainline games... don't get your hopes up man, bc stuff like that should've happened along time ago😔
Princess Daisy has had a mainly good 2023. The good is Daisy Cruiser in BCP wave 5 and as a playable character in Mario Bros Wonder. The bad is that the datamined MOBDK track turned out to de a revival of DS Dokan Course called Pirhana Plant Pipeline and not a Sarasaland (Daisy Kingdom) track.
you mean Daisy Circuit, right?
@@Hoshi_no_Renboth Daisy Cruiser and Daisy Circuit now 🤣
@@FunkyOverload yeah we are TRULY feasting
I been waiting for Daisy to join the roster 🙏🏽
And the Fact we had to wait for so many years made me Mad😡 I won't get behind this Wonder until they stop doing Daisy dirty🤦♂️
I love playing as peach.. but Daisy being included for the first time, tempts me to play as her.
Given the rumors about the Ice Flower and Super Leaf being part of the Power-Ups in Wonder, one will have to wonder how Daisy would look when using them.
Now we just need Waluigi in mainline Mario and I can die happy.
Here's the thing, Daisy was pretty much foreshadowed since her playable appearance in Super Mario Run with Yoshi. Nintendo considers that mainline and with her Smash Bros debut and her presence as part of the core cast in Super Nintendo World, her chances were pretty much locked.
It's the fact that she debuted in 1989 and wasn't getting much acknowledgement until this year, while, Rosalina who debuted in 2007 became more prominent from 2014 to around 2019 ish.
Given that Luigi got the "Year of Luigi" in 2013 (30 years after his debut), it would've been good if she got her own year in 2019 since she debuted in 1989, but, sure, good for Daisy finally getting more acknowledgement!!! 💕
Imo stuff like that should've happened along time ago... and they been Censoring her from the Previous Mario Spin-Off Games, this might be different but I won't be excited until they stop doing Daisy dirty😡
Whichever character has loud, objective noises is my GOAT.
This video is 100% accurate and solid. Part of why the NSMB Era games became so stale is because of how predictable they were down to their casts. The main protags would a l w a y s be Mario, Luigi, & a Toad or two. With only 3D World shaking this up for once by at least bringing in Peach again. And even though we got the rise of Toadette and Rosalina in mainline Mario, they're cool and all... but they also had a bit of a "safe" energy to them. Of course Rosalina, this recent and marketable character would make it. Ofc Toadette, basically another Toad, would make it. There was always still some safe energy behind them. Daisy is this 30 yr character who is theoretically "irrelevant", and should be left to rot in spinoff shackles. But them using a fan favorite character to change up the roster for once really shows a willingness to change and break out that stubborn and safe mentality. And that sold me on Mario Wonder more than anything tbh.
Toadette and Rosalina are more safe than a character who was created as Orange Peach, and some would argue she still is?
@@Quinhala11 Yes. Because this is a character who felt like they were banned from mainline games for years, for no reason, despite continued appearances in the overall series. Yes Rosalina had more actual story and depth, but she didn't have build-up to her popularity and standard appearances... she was just thrown into everything because she was new. Be for real. Nintendo wasn't thinking about her "story potential" lmao. Also by your logic, characters like Toadette and Luigi are worthless because they literally started out as "Green Player 2 Mario" or "Girl Toad made so he has a partner".
There was also the myth that "Miyamoto and Nintendo hates characters like Daisy and Wario!" Even though a character like Wario at least made it into mainline lol.
Swear, the arguments Mario fans make up against other characters is they're copies of other characters... when who we're stuck with in place of them are ACTUAL copies... like re-colored Toads or Metal clones. So thus, its why I say those characters are more safe than Daisy. She's an actual unique character with some type of background and her own personality at LEAST. Not a literal Peach clone that's something like say... Pink Gold lel.
@@knux333jw YOOOO, YOU COOKED HIM!! 🔥🔥 I was gonna respond to this fake Daisy fan, but you pretty much everything perfectly here lol- 100% AGREE and get what you're saying, thank you for defending best girl 😌🌼
@@knux333jw daisy is practically on same tier of peach its just that using a character from the same series seems way too safe, more crazy picks like geno or mallow or even sonic arent safe picks because there 3rd party characters a thing never happens in main Mario at all
@MatheusSaCorrea If daisy is orange peach then what the hell do think rosalina who look just like peach? She just space peach in a blue dress. She was only popular due to mario galaxy Era of that time. They have not done anything whit her since 3D world. Pink toad raise to fame is given birth to the worst mario meme ever made. Don't know how anyone whit a brain think daisy a peach clone when she the most unique of the Mario females in turns of personality and appearance.
this is such a fun topic, thanks for your tiers and breakdown!! personally as a long time daisy fan and long time ~~girl gamer~~ I never thought Id see the day, but it might also sit in an even bigger trend at nintendo: Ive heard Aya Kyogoku had been pushing for getting more girls interested in gaming, rather than pursuing a 'blue ocean' via a different age demographic, for years and years before breakthroughs with New Leaf and even more prominently saleswise, New Horizons. Things like New Horizons 40mil, Splatoon as the first series with mainly female faces and now Daisy being tier one material may well show fruits of a decade plus long internal shift to appeal to girls more IMO
literally lol its so obvious they are using her to be the second female character, they probably realised they need a second option for girls and after trying Toadette and Rosalina then Daisy it seems they are sticking with Daisy considering (the thing no one talks about regarding Daisy) she is one of the bands in Nintendo world like that is BIG literally all the characters in this game are the characters with bands at Nintendo world
Yes!❤
I'm happy Daisy is back, but I'm even happier to be able to play as Peach again in a 2D Mario game, it's been a long time
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Please don’t remind me of Battle League. Daisy not being in the base game is one of the biggest “what” moments in history.
This game sucks anyway
I hate the Mario Soccer series anyway.
Me neither but it was shocking not seeing HER in a Soccer game. She is literaly the meme queen there.
Rosalina should have arrived in the DLC.
Yes my girls in one mainline Mario game. The way it should’ve always been. Daisy and peach were always the best when they were together they seem to get along so well.
Nintendo also had Daisy be the only other female to have a power up band at Nintendo world. They just want her to have more attention and love in general
Super Mario Run is listed as a mainline game on Nintendo's official website. You're allowed to disagree but they made the game so they have the rights to say that it's mainline
@@KoCat2867 I’m talking mainline console platformer
@eclipses3131 But the thing is they been censoring Daisy from the Previous Mario Spin-Offs... their something Fishy about Wonder, bc stuff like that should've happened along time ago😑
@@Officialchristophermorris yeah like they specifically removed a new voice line in Mario golf super rush and substituted it for an old voice line. Their treatment for princes Daisy is extremely incredibly inconsistent. I mean they have her in Mario run (Nintendo’s only mainline mobile game I think) and they have her in Nintendo world. Only the most popular and important characters are included in that theme park: Mario Luigi Peach Daisy Toad and Yoshi (same cast as Mario Run) I mean idk what to expect next. Can we expect a brief cameo in super princess peach 2? Or can we expect her to be in the Mario sequel / Luigi’s mansion movie? Who knows all i know is that I’m extremely grateful from the bottom of my heart that Daisy is finally in a mainline console platformer.
@@eclipses3131 Exactly! To me Nintendo's being Slick with those titles (especially the Later Update Garbage) and probably this title too
I'm really glad your being Optimistic about this game, and I'll definitely give this one a chance... and idk about u, but I won't say "Thank You Nintendo" until they owe Daisy for all the Bullying they've been doing to her, and this RUN is not enough🤦♂️
The Next thing I want: a Mario Animated Series with Daisy being the 4th main character!
I think your character tiers were absolutely spot on and you explained them so well
Better yet, since this game is highly associated with flowers. (Eg. Flower Kingdom, Wonder Flower, Wonder Seed), it's a possibility that Daisy may not only be important gameplay wise, but even story wise. Since, as her name and overall design suggests, she's mainly associated with Flowers.
Perhaps we'll get to see Sarasaland once more in this game as a world or smth!
Either way, I'm happy for the Daisy fans, while I'm not one myself, I'm still happy for 'em!
(Although...being a Donkey Kong fan ain't quite the best for these ongoing years...)
Wonder was already good, but playable Daisy is just the Icing on the cake.
I "wonder" if Nintendo will put her in other mainline Mario games.
It would be nice, but it'll take a while for them to make up for it after they been ignoring her all these years imo.
I pray there's a Luigi's Mansion onscreen with Princess Daisy featuring before the end of my days.
Daisy deserves LOVE
I'd say it's nice of Nintendo giving Daisy a starring part in a mainline Mario game after how many games she's been just the supporting or sidelined character.
I'd look forward to playing her.
That's Good, but plzzz don't Thank Nintendo tho... bc stuff like that should've happened along time ago
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Well, I don't know who it actually was that gave her her big break, but it's really nice they did it.
@@SmashupMashupsWhile it's Nice, but they ruined it whether see it not though. Fans literally been asking for this for Years, and they're just now doing thi?! I'm gonna continue to Complain
Luigi, Daisy, King Boo, And yoshi are my favorite Characters.
And they're finally put Princess Daisy in. Is Amazing
How do you feel that king boo is in as a boss
Daisy is perfected in Mario Strikers Wii
Who the Hell remembers Super Mario Run existed?
I feel like I'm the only one, good thing I'm not alone.
4:45 because miyamoto did not create her and he prioritizes characters he created which is why daisy’s appearance was so surprising
Please nintendo give us daisy fans her own game
I honestly believe Daisy has finally appeared in a mainline Mario series because of Super Nintendo World (her as well as Mario, Luigi, Peach, Toad, and Yoshi are the main 6 that make up team Mario and have power up bands made after them).
I also believe that Nintendo is definitely going to utilize Daisy in the upcoming sequel for the Super Mario Bros. Movie :)
I've been wanting Daisy in a mainline game for YEARS. I couldn't be any happier that they FINALLY added her! Yes!
Yeah, "Finally" it's Ridiculous we always have to wait until used Daisy outside of Spin-Offs... I won't praise Wonder until they learned their Lesson🤦♂️
That's Disrespectful that we have to for Years to have Daisy in a Non Spin-Off game! Idk about you but it's impossible to be Happy after they been neglecting her.
The fact she was just added because one of the devs daughters were fighting because peach was the only female 😭😭
I find it very refreshing that instead of Rosalina or Toadette (or hell, even Pauline), they went for a less obvious choice
2 protendos in 1 week??? sign me up
Gotta keep the momentum going before I forget how to write again
Daisy should always been in the game forever because she was lost from a lot of years ago ❤
The main problem is that your completely forgetting Super Mario Run
For me, Daisy is best girl! I was so hyped for Daisy. I hope this is what will be the norm for years to come!
Even if they do, I refused to be Happy about it after they wastwd 30 years on her... they have along way to go to make up for it, after they been Bullying her Previously😖
Me, an avid Daisy fan for nearly 30 years:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
Daisy is lowkey the ruler of 4 Kingdoms in Sarassaland, between that and keeping Wario from blowing up the place she probably doesn't have the time to run around and fight turtles - and given the Mushroom Kingdom's historical issues with princess kidnapping that's probably for the best.
Why yoshi is an important part in Super Mario Bros. Wonder. He's just a cute and kick ass character finally getting recognized for it.
It's also entirely possible they just threw In an extra character at random and put almost no thought into at all
Bruh frfr... and not to mentioned while they finally added Daisy in a Console Mainline after Charles Martinet's Retirement, wtf😂🤦♂️
Now that Daisy has been introduced in a huge game like this, I wonder whay other non-mainline mario character will get the spotlight soon. Maybe Waluigi.....?? Nah. In our dreams maybe.
The fact that Daisy's finnaly gonna be in a 2d mario game is amazing.
For some reason i find that the fact that this mario game includes daisy
Is maybe the biggest most important part of this game. Daisy has never
played such a major roll in a mario game. Being able to play as daisy in a
Mariogame is something that we don't get to do in enough mario games.
I think that honestly, daisy is a really good mario character and that she
should be a playable character in more of the mario games. Daisy is one
of my favorite mario characters. She really hasn't been included enough
In the mario video games. They really had to put daisy in this game. I'm
really glad they put daisy into this game👍
It's just that they're just Scared from the Fact she has more Potential than Peach, and they're against that... to me there's something Fishy about Wonder and I won't Thank Nintendo until they learn their lesson for wasting Daisy all these years😑
says daisy was never in a main line game after talking about how she first appeared in super mario land
The story I read is that when playtesting the game, the creator's two daughters fought over who could play as Peach. This inspired the decision to include Daisy.
I still believe there's something Fishy with that, whether that Story's True or Not, it doesn't change the Fact that Fans been asking for Daisy to be in the Mainline Games, or have her own Game after they've wasted 30 Years including her only in the Mario Spin-Offs
Daiz was needed in a true mainline game and we finally got one! 🙂😊☺️😁😌😉😳🥰😍😎👍💖
Super Mario Run is listed as a mainline game on Nintendo's official website. You're allowed to disagree but they made the game so they have the rights to say that it's mainline
@@KoCat2867 I thought it was one!🙂😊☺️😁😌😉😳🥰😍😎👍💖
Well, even though you don’t like it, Daisy appeared in Super Mario Run and Nintendo acknowledged it as a mainline game so… 🤷🏼♂️🧡
This game looks incredible, and I'm insanely happy Daisy is finally in.
It's just Disrespectful they wasted so many years to add her into a Mainline game. I'm gonna continue to complain about this!
"Mario Mandate is delusions"
*procedes to make up character "tiers" theory.*
“This is what is and isn’t allowed behind the scenes at Nintendo” vs “this is how I’d segment the Mario cast based on usage”. I never insinuated that these tiers are anything but a personal method to simplify the character utilization we’ve seen in mainline games and spin-offs, not that there’s like, a graph at Nintendo HQ titled “CHARACTER TIERS”. In comparison, Mario Mandate discussion usually incorporates assumptions - often contradictory among series’ like Paper Mario and Mario + Rabbids - to boldly claim that “this is what Nintendo developers aren’t allowed to do”. I said *sometimes* delusions btw.
Hope she appears in Luigi's Mansion 4 and the Mario movie sequel.
1 reason: shes my favourite super mario character
1:12 Okay THAT is a HUGE hot take. Super Mario Bros. 3 & Super Mario World are considered two of the greatest video games ever made, while Donkey Kong Country is also among them but sold much less than Super Mario Bros 3, and Diddy Kong's Quest is considered lesser than the original selling way less than the previous game. Mario has been clowning on Donkey Kong since the beginning dude. Hell he MADE Donkey Kong the icon he is today. I mean no shade when I say that is a VERY controversial hot take.
Not true. Mario 3 and World are great, but DKC trilogy is pretty universally considered easily one of the best trilogies EVER. Just because they didn't sell like mario(no one does) doesn't mean they weren't better games and experiences.
@@PhazonVoorhees Super Mario World & Super Mario Bros 3 are considered some of the all-time greats of gaming in GENERAL. So putting them on the same level as the DKC trilogy is a bit of a moot point. They are all GOAT-ed games in some way or another, but Super Mario in particular has always been more popular.
Even Wario was clowning on Mario on handhelds even
While Wonder does look pretty different and Original than any other recent Main Titles, but at the same time there's something Fishy about it and I refuse to accept it after they been Censoring Daisy from the Previous Mario Spin-Offs games... but I'll give it a chance tho!
Wonder was something we've been waiting for, but I won't get behind it untill they learn their lession for wasting 30 yrs to put her into more Mainline Games, this and RUN is not enough😔
but can you play as daisy from the beginning?
She was unlock-able in super Mario run
How can yall be more hyped up for a character more than the game.
i had the same feeling of excitement (except x100000 bc I'm a daisy fan) So happy to be able to play as daisy!!
Also, theres three theories involving Daisy and Peach, but first, who the hell did Bowser Kidnapped?
1- Nobody
2- A totally new character
3- A character we already seen
Glad I bought DAISY wonder 😊 I’m having a lot of fun with the games challenges! I can’t stop thinking about it at work lol
I wish I could believe this is a promotion for Daisy. I think this might have just been to make the game more suitable to play in family, giving the people who prefer playing with female characters a slightly wider range of options. That said, I hope this is really an inflection point and I get to play as Daisy for future mainline Mario games.
People been asking this for Years, and they're just *now* doing this? I just think we shouldn't Thank Nintendo just yet, because they been neglecting her since the N64 Era, and that's a Slap in the Face! 😡
Facts. I popped off when I saw Daisy in the trailer
I found out Daisy through the Nintendo DS game "Mario Hoops 3 on 3", and it was love at first sight. Since I was a teenager I dreamt of her been in a mainline game (I'm 28 years old now).
I hope super "Mario Bros. Wonder" is only the first one of a long series! 🙏🏻🌼
It's Sad that we had to wait until we become Adults to get out wish to get more Daisy... and it's even more Sad some People are Thanking Nintendumb after they been Bullying her Previously😖
She would've made so much more sense than toadette in Super Mario Bros U... What were they even thinking?
Yeaaaaaaaaaaah DAISY is here❤
It’s the spiderverse of games
dude i like peach way more than daisy but JUST because she got included in super mario bros wonder made me completely ignore peach. i haven't played any other character except daisy because my girl finally gets mainline screentime
They still did her Dirty though. I wouldn't be Happy for after yet if I was you, because people literally been asking for this a long time ago.
How is Rosalina part of tier 2 when she is as popular as the tier 1 characters?
My favourite Mario universe character is Daisy!
I heard she dies canonically in the ninth level of this game :(
Huh?
How the f-
But is she in Princess Peach Showtime?
I would say waluigi is tier 3
Same thing could be said about Pauline in regards to finally have her appear playable in spin off games.
Yes, I'm so happy that she's back too!
Maybe they finally decided to make her part of Canon instead of appearing in Spin-off sports games and party games
Was honestly a tad doubtful about Wonder being a mainline game partly because Daisy's in it
I hope Waluigi gets the respect he deserves eventually
In our dreams…..
Walu-Who? 🤪
Donkey Kong is in a lot of Mario Spinoffs to.. so confused by your logic
My logic was that he feels more like a “guest” than most of the other characters due to his separate notoriety. But I can definitely see why someone would fit him into the second tier.
I agree with that Objective Ranking list of the girls! But in my head Rosalina and Daisy are interchangeable on any day. But Peach is a HARD 3rd place!
Agreed I’ve never liked Peach and Rosalina and Daisy are far better
Hoping this means we can see Wario and Waluigi in the game maybe too (I am delusional)
I keep forgetting Mario Run is a mainline Mario game
Actually Bowser jr and Kamek appear in most mainline games so they should be like teir 1.5
I love this game. I call the acid trip
Just curious, why is Daisy considered so underrated
Lack of use 🤷♂️
Bowser Jr is definitely on the first tier, he's in Sunshine, the 2 Galaxies, Bowser's Fury, all NSMBs except 2, Smash, the Parks, merchandise, is gonna be in Wonder...
I don't understand how Daisy being in it changes anything, Toadette literally originated from the spinoffs and is the only individual Toad outside of Toadsworth to be used like this, and she's co-lead of Captain Toad, she's in Maker, was the big new thing of NSMBUD... Toadette's inclusion in anything is waay more significant than Orange Daisy (and i say this as a Daisy fan)
um not really... think u forgot Toadette was immediately added to other games after double dash such as paper Mario TTYD and then galaxy. Plus she's literally just a Toad
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As if Daisy went unused after Super Mario Land?
She's literally just a princess
i realy wanna see pauline be playable at some point my girl needs her time to shine
I agree 100% pourcent
Even the main reason why i buy this game
GOOOO QUEEN
I wonder who the secret/unlockable ones can be, Wario?
Yeah hopefully the second tier characters like the Wario bros and Rosalina will be unlockable.
im kinda mario'd out as a character and the addition of the yipee wayoo yahoo everytime hwe does an action gers old
this guy gets it
Not that surprising given the upriar that she wasnt in strikers
*EXACTLY!* Again, there's something Fishy about Wonder😮💨 prepare for the Later Updates they'll toned down her Personality Like in Mario Golf: Super Rush🤦♂️
The only game i'm hyped about. Not even Starfield gets me this hyped and i dont have a switch... yet ;)