Solving a Cubic Equation Without The Cubic Formula

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @anishkrishnan9698
    @anishkrishnan9698 3 года назад +11

    I wish more people knew about this channel because you deserve millions of subscribers

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад +2

      Oh, thank you for the kind words! 💖

  • @davidseed2939
    @davidseed2939 3 года назад +3

    several have asked “where is c?” . The second equation yields (b/2)^2 =c -2d/b
    a simplification of the final result using that equation yields..u= -g+/-sqrt(5g^2-c) , where g=b/4

  • @boguslawszostak1784
    @boguslawszostak1784 2 года назад

    Thank You for your great job.
    in (4:30)
    x2+x3=-b/2
    x2*x3=2d/b
    we can try my favorite substitution:
    x2=m+r
    x3=m-r
    g^2=x2*x3
    ( this is because the favorite substitution is for common use
    g is the geometric mean,
    m is the arithmetic mean,
    r is the common difference forming the arithmetic sequence x2, m, x3)
    so we get:
    x2+x3=2m
    m^2-r^2=g^2
    r^2=m^2-g^2
    r=(+/-)sqrt(m^2-g^2)
    x2=m-r = m-sqrt(m^2-g^2)
    x2=m-r = m+sqrt(m^2-g^2)
    m=(x2+x3)/2=-b/4
    m^2=b^2/16
    g^2= 2d/b
    x2=m-r = m-sqrt(m^2-g^2)=-b/4-sqrt(b^2/16-2*(d/b)) = (-b-sqrt(b^2-32*(d/b)))/4
    x3=m+r = m+sqrt(m^2-g^2)=-b/4+sqrt(b^2/16-2*(d/b))= (-b+sqrt(b^2-32*(d/b)))/4

  • @carloshuertas4734
    @carloshuertas4734 3 года назад +3

    Another great explanation, SyberMath!

  • @ramaprasadghosh717
    @ramaprasadghosh717 3 года назад

    Here sum of the roots is
    x_1+x_2 +x_3 = 2x_1
    so x_1 = -b/2
    again c = x_1*(x_2+x_3) + x_2*x_3
    or c =(b/2)^2 + x_2*x_3
    again
    d = x_1*x_2*x_3 = -b*x_2*x_3 /2
    or x_2*x_3= 2d/b
    Hereby c= 2d/b + b*b/4
    This essentially means x+b/2 is a factor of x^3 + bx^2 + cx + d = 0
    or x+ b/2 is a factor of
    x^3 + bx^2 +( -2d/b + b*b/4)x + d = 0
    or (x+b/2) (x"x + b*x/2 +2d/b).= 0
    Now roots of x"x + b*x/2 +2d/b= 0 are -b/4 +√( (b/4)^2 -2d/b),
    -b/4 -√( (b/4)^2 -2d/b)
    or -b/4 (1 + √(1 - 32d/b^3)),
    -b/4 (1 - √(1 - 32d/b^3)),

  • @diogenissiganos5036
    @diogenissiganos5036 3 года назад +2

    SyberMath: Vieta Strikes Back

  • @HungNguyen-rj3ek
    @HungNguyen-rj3ek 3 года назад +2

    Wait. So x1 x2 x3 have no relation to c? Can i understand that as for whatever value of C is the solitions are the same?

    • @roy2615
      @roy2615 3 года назад +2

      I think you can't choose any value of c, as the given argument locks a relation between b, c, and d. If you plug the roots we've found into the second vieta formula we got, you would get what c has to be in relation to b and d.

    • @SSGranor
      @SSGranor 3 года назад +2

      The condition on the solutions can be turned into a constraint on the coefficients. In other words, there is a particular form that c must have (in terms of b and d) for the relationship between the three solutions to hold.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      That's right!
      8d=4bc-b^3 must hold

  • @christopherrice4360
    @christopherrice4360 3 года назад

    The thing that i find most interesting about this particular math problem is the way that the concept of systems of equations and the concept of the quadratic formula have "grown up" and now use things like x to the 4th power instead of the regular quadratic coefficients terms. Also i have a question: Is using the substitution variable "u" a concept in itself in order to go up into higher mathematics? I notice lots of math problems can be solved by introducing that letter "u".

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      Substitution is a powerful tool!

  • @laurynastruskauskas6586
    @laurynastruskauskas6586 3 года назад +2

    Lets go this is gonna be fun

  • @MathElite
    @MathElite 3 года назад +6

    First again! Super interesting content every single day

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      Thank you!

    • @MathElite
      @MathElite 3 года назад

      @@SyberMath No problem. Why people have a problem with me enjoying your content is not an answerable question

  • @haricharanbalasundaram3124
    @haricharanbalasundaram3124 3 года назад +2

    Great video... but I think you should substitute the solutions in x1x2 + x2x3 + x3x1 = c and ensure that there is indeed a solution...

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      That's right!
      8d=4bc-b^3 must hold

  • @tomasstride9590
    @tomasstride9590 3 года назад +2

    Alternatively the first two equations could have been used which gives a result independent of d rather than your result which is independent of c.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      That's right!
      8d=4bc-b^3 must hold

  • @thechoosenone7603
    @thechoosenone7603 2 года назад +1

    It's like Po Shen Lo method to solve quadratic equations

  • @tonyhaddad1394
    @tonyhaddad1394 3 года назад +1

    6:24 to be or not to be nice one 😃

  • @wukokusei
    @wukokusei 2 года назад

    If x1=x2*x3, can Vieta be used also?

  • @tonyhaddad1394
    @tonyhaddad1394 3 года назад +1

    Woww new one !!!

  • @antormosabbir4750
    @antormosabbir4750 3 года назад +1

    It's only possible when 4bc=b^3+8d

  • @tonyhaddad1394
    @tonyhaddad1394 3 года назад +1

    4:48 2u yayyy!!! 😁

  • @deepjyoti5610
    @deepjyoti5610 3 года назад

    Wow i thought first thhat after finding one root i will just divide and find other twoo roots but ur method surpised me

  • @riadsouissi
    @riadsouissi 3 года назад +1

    If x1x2+x2x3+x3x1 does not equal C, then there are no solution.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      That's right!
      8d=4bc-b^3 must hold

  • @farhansadik5423
    @farhansadik5423 7 месяцев назад

    We really need a trademark for you on the 2b or not 2b jokes 😆

  • @shreyan1362
    @shreyan1362 3 года назад +2

    easy one this time😊😉

  • @aahaanchawla5393
    @aahaanchawla5393 3 года назад +1

    Nice method but you need to put some information in the description due to the mistake you made and didn't realize

    • @shreyan1362
      @shreyan1362 3 года назад +1

      bruh he fixed it...

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад +1

      it was not a mistake.

    • @MathElite
      @MathElite 3 года назад +1

      @@SyberMath that's exactly why i missed it

  • @manojsurya1005
    @manojsurya1005 3 года назад +1

    "For the youtube algorithm"What it really means,I see it at many videos🤔

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      It means when people comment on a video and like it, RUclips recommends it to more people rewarding the interaction and people's interests.

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 3 года назад

      @@SyberMath Why use Vieta and not solve it using algebra?

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      @@leif1075 Vieta is awesome! 🤩

  • @akshatjangra4167
    @akshatjangra4167 3 года назад +2

    For the algorithm!

    • @MathElite
      @MathElite 3 года назад +1

      we gotta beat that thing lol

  • @呂永志
    @呂永志 3 года назад

    We can solve the equation even we didn't know c.

  • @aashsyed1277
    @aashsyed1277 3 года назад +1

    sorry i missed the live stream

  • @pritivarshney2128
    @pritivarshney2128 3 года назад +2

    16th

  • @mariomestre7490
    @mariomestre7490 3 года назад

    Genial! Vieta dos cops

  • @dibyojyotibhattacharjee5349
    @dibyojyotibhattacharjee5349 3 года назад +1

    I want to give you a problem, how shall I do it?

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад

      Without an image: forms.gle/A5bGhTyZqYw937W58
      With an image: twitter.com/intent/tweet?text=@SyberMath

    • @dibyojyotibhattacharjee5349
      @dibyojyotibhattacharjee5349 3 года назад

      @@SyberMath Uploaded my problem @SyberMath, sorry for being late as I was a bit busy...

  • @broklyn475
    @broklyn475 3 года назад

    How to solve it without the given condition?

  • @p12psicop
    @p12psicop 3 года назад

    So it doesn't even matter what the value of c is?

    • @PS-mh8ts
      @PS-mh8ts 3 года назад +1

      Your question has already been answered by previous commenters.

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  3 года назад +1

      That's right!
      8d=4bc-b^3 must hold

  • @aashsyed1277
    @aashsyed1277 3 года назад +1

    3rd