Inside the SC's hearing on same-sex marriages
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- "Majority cannot decide the rights of a minority." They wore their emotions on their sleeves, and called history and precedence to action, as they made their case for same-sex marriage in India.
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The amount of common but valid points they pointed out is truly satisfying to watch. Hoping for the best.
There can be no valid point for same sex marriage. Nothing. Human civilization was found on the basis of marriage between man and woman that
led to our present state .anything else is unacceptable
Aree sab ko patta hai judgment enn ganduo ke favour mai aane wala hai CJI bss time pas kar raha hai......😅😅😅
There are only two genders male and female!!
Look at the animals
Hahah.. All valid arguments in the comments actually got reported and deleted 😃😂 the channel itself being biased.
They've to upload short videos. I don't think they're being biased. They've been continuously uploading about this unlike main stream media.
This is more than enough for us.
"The majority cannot decide the rights of the minority". Well said! Even the basic right, i.e., the right to love cannot be stripped away from the citizens of India.
guessing by your name, you are a Muslim. You should be against LGBTQ+ totally in everyway according to Islam.
And you call yourself a Muslim 😒...don't support these LGBHDTV community, initially it feels alright to allow these bisexual ( they are absolutely normal but identify themselves as so just to get attention) to love eachother , adopt kids and have family but in a long term this will impact the society negatively.... Think about it very carefully
But why limit it to hindus only?
Its mental illness…. Get help mfs
@@Rudra-rf5cn muslm aren't progressive that's why their religion is strong. Right? But what religion gave them? Their health indicator, education indicator, wealth indicator all are far low than Hindu community. By following religion they gained nothing, only been used by maulavis and politician.
And they are changing special marriage Act. Not hindu marriage Act.
I don’t know what the decision will be but I feel that our country has come to that point where people are actually discussing these things as mature adults stating facts.
Wasting time
When 3 crore important cases are pending including r@pez and murders
Before the Britishers everyone was free to Express their views be whoever they wanted to be..
Yepp
@@yashdwivedy4726 let me correct a bit, its before mughals and other invasion
@@debjyotisarkar2492 no thanks, Mughals made India the richest and most prosperous country in the world. Please read a history book
Some highly educated people having a great discussion is worth watching. Thanks ❤. It kind of makes me feel that maybe in future, India will become an example of human rights. Let's do this India
There is a reason why sperm always goes into female part idiot's democracy allows to do business not to change society values, then advance society can also marry a dog fk no 💀brh I'm dead. I categories same sex marriage as a animal abuse okey idiots of democracy.
Watch out louder with crowder channel this guy is far more literate then entire I dian population combined . This is an American guy
Stfu same sex marriage should be ban this thing is just mental illness going against nature biology wth
Human rights ought not to deal with bullshit
This shit is genuinely haram, if this law gets passed, as an indian I will move to pakistan.
As a farmer from south india. I would love to support for their rights
As a businessman from Northeast India, I too support their rights
WOW...respect....I too support for their rights
Waah.. All farmers businessman leaving their job and supporting RUclips shorts 😂🤣🤣🤣 hahaha... So called businessman and farmer. Listen full argument of tushar mehta sir. All your bogus hypothetical thoughts will be perished my dear
As a Army chief of India. I would always to support for their rights.
@Saswat Ranjan Hota bro, in simple words whatever your biology or mental state is doesn't matter, in law it's law. If you committ a crime, and in court of justice and jails you want to be treated as a female because you might have a emotion of female even having a male genital, so does that confer the right upon you to be treated a female in law? Don't talk random stuffs, when it comes on fixing laws you have to set a benchmark which is fixed. Clear to you now?
U can not marry out of religion. Ankit Saxena got killed for loving a muslm girl.
U can not marry out of caste.
Ayushi yadav got killed for marrying a gujjar.
U can't marry to a same sex
Nobody killed for marrying, but arvey malhotra is indirectly killed by society for being gay, and thousands of other like him living a life of hell.
This law is needed. Enough bloodshed.
Im straight male, but this demeaning a person based on sexuality (which is not in his /her control) is absolutely cowardice and unjust. We have thousands of other pbm where other humans are affected. These people don't harm anybody. Let them have a life with dignity and respect.
Well said sir 👏🏽
@@gayuaurora742 ma'am this small things are useless to prohibit, In Israel lgbtq also included in army. But here people busy in honor killing and poking nose in other's sexuality though we are most self proclaimed sanskari country . People say why u don't say this to Muslim? They don't say by maintaining their faith they have nothing but faith only, their community is plagued by malnourishment, crime, female mortality etc.
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And that Abdullah who chopped the girl
@@ujjawalk6780 I wrote already about ankit saxena. Why u aren't concerned about the hatred within hindus community regarding one another. Ayushi murdered by her father for marrying another hindu, is lesser crime than any abdullha?
Even the Hindu mythology narrates stories of same-sex relationships and also mentions about the existence of transgender deities. The discrimination that the lgbtq community faces today in india is solely an outcome of ignorance. They can't get away with saying same sex marriage can't be legalized because it will hurt religious sentiments. Great to hear so many lawyers voicing their thoughts. Hoping to see inclusiveness prevail one day!
Hindu mythology narrates nothing like we should support this as humanity no need of religion
@@dhanshreeraut1534 bro he is talking about his fantasy dragging our dharma in it literally their is no such concept in our dharma. It's wrong........
@@smartdoge because it was carefully edited out of our culture after the mughal and british invasion, if you dont believe me just look up a entire chapter in the kamasutra dedicated to homosexual coupling and also the sculptures at khajuraho temples just go and look it up bro
It's not your fault that you're asking this. Indian history has been rationalized in a way that it pushes heteronormativity and we never got to know about other communities. Khud thoda research wagera karo, there's plenty of evidences out there in Indian history supporting lgbtq relationships.
@@Vizorfam ok then why will muslim be immune by this according to code of conduct
"We the people & country"and parliment cannot prevent us from our basic fundamental rights 🔥, hats off to the lawyer who spoke atlast,
No need for parliament then?
What is parliament? It is a body that represent the will of the people. SSM must be debated in parliament with all it's complexities and challenges and not imposed on Indian people by non elected. Judiciary can only interpret law not make new law or ask parliament to make a new law.
@@foreverquarantine6151 I agree with you partly , still there is no use of discussing LGBTQ marrige rights in parliament when 90 % of members are old school, we are still far behind in terms of cultural liberation and went backwards from the middle of last decade, Dr.Ambedkar coverd most of the fundamental rights in the constitution but we have to make necessary changes depends upon the changing scenario around us. For that we have to listen to the People.
@@mohitanand1844 ok good night 😴
@@foreverquarantine6151 If the parliament decides according to what the majority wants, then minority will suffer. This is a matter where it is not an issue of majority vs minority. Why should the rights of minority depend on the will of the majority. If LGBT people get their rights, their life will improve and it will not affect the lives of heterosexual people. But if it goes to parliament, then I don't trust that they can decide in favor of minority.
@@omnium_gatherum14 First it's not majority vs minority issue. In fact LGBT are not distinct community they are part of various community.
LGBT people have all the rights that any citizen need for their development.
Marriage is a social institution that was created solely for the protection of and granting legal rights to children and protection of family.
Marriage is a universal and time tested institution.
LGBT people don't need marriage as they can't procreate and have family. Just because two people are living together doesn't make them equivalent to husband and wife. Role of husband and wife are defined (these roles can evolve based on nature of society and economy) but not to extent where they lose their entire meaning
If two people willing to be together not harming anyone around them….. they should be allowed to do that without any difficulties.
As if heterosexual marriages work out..:
I mean, same sex marriage will have its own challenges and a lot of things has to looked upon once we decide to make this rule…. Let’s start the ground step by observing the changes of today’s society
After section 377 was struck down there are no legal problems with homosexual people living together but to think that just because two persons are living together and are attracted to each other makes them equivalent to Husband and wife is a mockery of institution of Marriage.
What about incest?
Like your opinion. Simple & straightforward. Why do people need to interfere in which partner a neighbor chooses to share his/her life ✊🏻
@@junaid1682 technically no one (legally) can stop any heterosexual adults in engaging in a relationship as long as one/both of them are not married to someone else. There are various factors to this like moral, social & ethical factors why incest is a strict no. But the main reason to avoid inbreeding is there can be genetic malfunctions to put it in a simple way. This has nothing to do with same gender marriage issue.
@@nsa_200 Moral standards change from society to society. For some their morality stops at incest and for others their morality stops at homosexuality.
Many incest laws invoke this concept of genetics. But this rationale won’t withstand close scrutiny or the march of technology. If genetics is the issue, just get a vasectomy. Then people can have their sisters. Or skip the vasectomy and bang your brother. Gay sex can’t make a baby, so the problem is solved.
Incredible India : Where marrying the same gender is wrong, but marrying a tree is completely logical.
Bruhh💀🤣🤣
Yeah bro it is better rather than having 86 fokin genders and seeing my country degrade like US
Japan where marrying a pillow is logical
Both are illogical and should not be allowed
Lemme tell you about Peaceful Islamic nations ad well where its ok to kill LGBTQ by stoning or throwing from roof tops....India is much better and LGBTQ ppl want to live together do it but dont force it down someones throat, its unnatural and not as per any religion.Marriage ia a ritual from religion,you cant mock it and ask to marry by Hindu or any other tradition.
I don’t understand….. why two adults people with consent marrying each-other bother other people 🤣🤣🤣.
Becoz Abrahamic told them so and rationality vo kya hota h?
@@aaaryan_goel long live Abraham and his progeny
If your sister marries your brother with truck load of consent, does it bother you 😂😂
@@user-ny7sg9mz1v bhai porn kam dekha kr..
@@siddharthdhulipala24 Bhai mai toh tumare bare me bola tha.
Kudos to Brut for compiling such wonderful arguments, I wanted to hear the arguments but couldnt find time to watch lengthy procedures, thanks for compiling and do update us later too about the progress of the same.
Same sex marriage is acceptable
But changing the definition of male and female is pure stupidity
Allowing same sex marriage is going to do the same thing.
See for yourself in case of All the 32 countries who allowed it this see how much of a identity crisis they are having now if they have a solution for it well and good
Ps I doubt they have any😂
Why stupidity???
Please look at what transgender is defined as in the transgender protection act of 2019 that *this* government passed.
Which is not to say that there are no man & woman but if someone who was born male registers with the authorities as being a transgender female, then yes, they are not to be considered as male anymore. This is the law. You would understand this if you watch the whole proceedings and not juicy tidbits from some very limited clips.
exactly my thoughts
i sat through all the hearings (online) and had countless fights over youtube comments and while i want same sex marriage to be legalised so that we can take a step forward inclusivity, right now i just want it to be legalised to piss off the homophobes-
jokes apart, great work done in the court, i wish that the law changes for good. much love
thank you for your contribution haha ❤
It's a waste of energy to argue on internet
Trust me I have experience
Unfortunately, it will only apply to Hindus, as other religions have their own laws, so why this hypocrisy, Mr self proclaimed intellectual?
@@viditsinha7865 lmao i've learnt it the hard way too hehe
@@stevethepaidintern196 always happy to help lmao
Humbled to witness this historic judgement!
“The majority cannot decide the rights of minority”👏👏
This is in terms of LGBT unions however. Do you support them while making this statement?
You need common sense, MAJORITY rules minorities can die, no one cares
@@doit2810 Are nhi, unka toh sar tan juda hoga....
Your religion does not even give rights to 'kafir' forget recognising LGBT, so stop with this biased commentary to highlight other aspects of Indian society .
Frankly please improve your religion to accommodate in the 21st century 🙏
Biology entered the chat
What people in the comment section can't understand is the case is not against gay relationship but gay/same sex marriage. Being a gay and having a sexual relationship with another person of same sex is perfectly legal.
But in a relationship they don't have the rights that a heterosexual couple have in a marriage - they cannot opt for family plans, they cannot leave anything behind to their partner if they die, they cannot legally adopt a child, and many more things
So, is the homosexual community fighting for the rights only to have sexual relationships?! Only heterosexual people have the right to marry?? If relationships are legal, then why isn't marriage???
Are you a NPC? Literally everybody knows this.
@@freud7264 There are actually people in the comments who are like this , trust me bruh they just wanna spew hate
@@universeno.13 the Rights are given as husband wife in same sex marriage who will be the husband or wife ?
Allow it. Anyways judiciary is carrying burden of so many non sense laws. One more will not cause much harm. Just let them feel happy. Pass it. Marriages between male and female is anyways creating more non sense than what these marriages may cause. Allow it.
Par sirf hinduo ko kyu? Ye law sirf Hinduo ke liye hoga, baki sabke apne apne religious laws hai😂....Bolne se pehle kuch jan le nibbe
@@Rudra-rf5cn sab janta hu hutiye. Yeh laudu desh hai aur yaha aise hi kaanoon paas hote hai. Aur baad mein uska misuse hota hai. Mere post ko padh badhiya se akal khol ke. Main is law ko praise nahi kar raha.
@@Rudra-rf5cn no one is changing hindu marriage act, it is occuring through same sex marraige act, no personal laws are touched, adhi knowledge harmful hai, gadhe buddhe!
@@dreamsofabsence7503 Are you even hearing yourself? Jab mulle gand mei chaku gusa denge, toh sara bhoot utar jaega🤣
@@GurpreetKaur-gj6qo bhak, kuch bi, har din mein hearing sun raha hu, pata wata hai nahi bas logo ko distract karte ho
Both arguments were well framed and the SC was also responding adequately and efficiently to the sides
Here's a thing, a biological man IS a biological man, this can't be changed I accept that... But at the same time the people who are different than us, the people of LGBTQ community they also deserve the same rights as any other human in this country... Male and female is a fact and being queer and having the right to live like a normal person should also be okay.
Who gets to decide who is biological enough to be called a "biological man"? What if a man doesn't have XY chromosomes but has XYX or some other rare form, does that disqualifies him as being a man even though his body is male? What if a person is born with a male body but has a female brain inside of their body and feels like a woman? Should we call them female and ignore their male body or should we call them male and ignore that they have a female brain and that their brain is not male? Either way we would be ignoring reality and a biological part of their body which doesn't completely conform to "biological male" or "biological female". All of this can be avoided by allowing gay people to be married instead of discriminating by gender.
@@lovestarlightgiver2402 Can't beleive this wokeness is visible in India too, or if you're are from US, I would be happier. Don't make it too complicated it's very simple. There are two genders only, A man and woman. A man is biological male with a XY chromosome that can produce sperms. A female is someone that has XX chromosome and can mestruate also produce eggs. If there are alterations in the chromosome that means something have must gone wrong but doesn't change the science that having XY couldn't be a male or same with female. You can think and feel whatever you are but can't change the molecular level, which is your DNA 🧬 which all trillion of your cell identies. "A donkey dressing up into horse can never make it a horse." Doesn't matter what you identify it's your perception if you wanna stay in that delusion, good for you. Accepting the reality of what you are is called self love. Period.
@@lovestarlightgiver2402 first, it's not "who gets to decide" it's basic biology... A man has a penis and a woman has breasts and vagina and only they can give birth, that's the basic definition and there's nothing like having "female brain in male body" brain doesn't have a gender, just because a male human feels he's a woman that doesn't make him a woman, he can't give birth or grow breasts but that doesn't mean that society can't accept them for being different but this has to has a limit, you can't defy common sense... Stop with this nonsense that "men can be women also".
@@lovestarlightgiver2402 and by three chromosomes you mean the people with down syndrome and transgender, right?
Well, I can accept transgend as the third gender but the people with down syndrome can be identified in two genders.
@@lovestarlightgiver2402 THATS CALLED A DISORDER, AN ABNORMALITY
"Biological man is not a definition of what your definition of a man is. It's far more complex"
I love the judge for making this statement.
But you can't simply change the chromosomes.
What is the complexity man??? Does Justice Chandrachur know that???
Fucking lawyers arguing over biological facts wtf get someone who actually knows what they are talking about
OK then define the complex definition of a man. So we can move ahead.
Oh really please don't bring this in India now. In Western, when a male feels feminine he calls himself a woman. What bs yar. I say let a man also walk with hips not only shoulder. Ridiculing them is causing gendere identity problem.
I think CJI has made statement way ahead of time for commoners to understand, It will receive lot of backlash
We all know y he supports this nonsense😂😂😂 trapped
@@DZ-lw4po DZ is group of people
Oh yes, now this comment section will be filled with people disapproving with this idea and make sure they represent their distaste in same-sex marriages.
So let's spread positivity before they spread hatred 🎉
Don't worry we will rip them apart
Because this law will only be applied for Hindus! not others as they have their own law!!
Marriage by definition is itself "A legal union b/w male and female." You can't marry a donkey or a dog and call that marriage. This should be banned always, families in are being ruined in US, children are getting of mutilated and given puberty blockers so all this shouldn't come to India. Again if you're gay or whatever wanna stay with your partner that's okay. Imagine, if it becomes legal then at the time of divorce, who's gonna get the alimony and receive it? Makes your head scratch? 😂 So everything can't be changed.
So you are suggesting people not to express what they feel? Pretty strange
So proud of the Indian judiciary system. Such progressive laws. Abortion to same sex marriage. Vande Mataram ❤
What?
@@apoorvajha8501 ignore him and have a nice day 🍻
Kick the football
Such a low pathetic thinking yuckk
@Aditya 🤣🤣
I think we should legalise same-sex marriages because first of all being able to identify and come out as gay and lesbian is such a stigma in our country and most people who come out to be a part of LGBTQ are disowned most of the times these people rely on their significant others for emotional, moral and financial support too. If these same sex couple marriage is being granted in our country most orphans will be able to have a home because people from these communities are the ones who are very enthusiastic and passionate about adopting
But not now
@@vamshidhar8648 why???
You know they cannot adopt as parents right ? Only individually they can adopt. So, nothing is stopping them to adopt now, why wait for marriage? Just a bad argument mam.
@@adityadwivedi7672 but it's easy to raise a child with a partner and it's often people from these communities who are very enthusiastic and passionate about adopting...
@@adityadwivedi7672 sir I'm just a teenager who supports LGBTQ I'm no judge...
A country with overpopulation issue and with unemployment, poverty and high energy crisis on the rise. Not to mention the religious fascism growing day by day ; Marriage would be the Last thing that the SC needs to resolve right now. There are much bigger and serious problems waiting to be resolved by SC currently.
Continue to fight guys this should happen it will hope to so many closeted people
We will 🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
no
@@sourabh2842 chakke
Are bhai kab legal hoga .
I'm 24 years old gay .
Mera bf hai and vo aaj taiyar tha muzse shadi karne ke liye .
Lekin usko laga tha ki shadi ho skti hai .
Muze ab Aisa lag raha vo chorke chala jayega 😢
Kyoni bahot der ho gai toh usko bhi lagega ilagal hai family ko bhi vo kuch nahi bata payega because of sex marriage marriage is not legal in India 😢
I think adoption is such a center for same sex marriages too! it can literally change a kids life , which is much more likely to happen in such an arrangement.
I mean its equal to giving someone a life. Everyday i cross by the red light and see children being beaten up ,having to work hard in the sun etc my heart aches even if its a 100 kid s being adopted its giving 100 kids a new life!
You know this right ..that even after "same sex marriage" is legalized, these people can only adopt individually, And not as parents. Because adoption is under a separate law, vis- the juvenile justice act and the hindu personal law. So, even after being a "married couple" the adopted child will legally and officially have a single parent.
Also, there's nothing stopping them from adopting now. Why wait for marriage ? It's just a sham argument that after marriage they'll adopt.
@@adityadwivedi7672 under same sex marriage they should allow adoption with collective partnership. And child rearing is much more easier with an helping hand / partner since it's a big responsibility
@@user-yf9cg2zo9d They cannot allow. Marriage and adoption are under different laws. So impossible right now.
@@adityadwivedi7672 yep but i hope that genuinely changes
If genitals do not decide male and female .. then why Reservation for female on the basis of genitals they have?
Females are being given reservation because in our male dominated society their voice get oppressed
The Chief Justice saying that gender is not biological, shows he skipped Biology class in school. What type if judges are we including in the SC? I think the Parliament needs to force the Judiciary to make their collegium system public. So that we know what goes into making such decisions
Sex is biological but not gender fyi, a trans is not a male because of biological parts
@@divysurana2122 chutiyap mat kar. Bakvas arguments daalke tu sensible nahi banne waala. Transgender, genuine transgender ke actual problems hote hai. But ye identifying as a man or woman total bankum hai. Tu soja. Tera bakvas sunke kaan me corona ho gaya mujhe
@@divysurana2122 so i will keep my biology and logic with me, while u keep on ranting and raving about a topic that isn't going to be legal in India for decades. Hmmm. Sounds like a great deal. Good luck
Gender isn't just your biological make-up. Does it play a part? Absolutely. That's why the majority of people you see out there are comfortable being born and living as the gender they were assigned at birth on the basis of their sex. But at the same time, gender is also psychological. You are a man because you were born a male and you psychologically perceive yourself to be one. That's the norm but it isn't true for some people who may be trans or non binary. So it's not that simple
In LgbtQ content gender is not biological .
Thank you, Brut for this.
It is always the majority that wants to dictate the terms. On a similar note, one community is trying to suppress others and become dominated in the country.
Seeing so many Hon’ble lawyers step up for the rights of lgbtq community makes me so happy and proud! And they speak with such finesse!
For those who oppose it on basis of hindu religious sentoments, I implore you to read the mahabharata, just the first 10 chapters shall suffice. Religiously speaking the body is considered to be a mere vessel for our souls. The mahabharata time and again jas characters who are described as neither completely man nor completely woman, cases where a man becomes woman and vice versa, the mahabharata is in fact quite explicit about sexual relations, and has paragraphs dedicated to explaining how intimacy and the likes have been misused as a reason for division.
Means I can be identify as women for women private parties if I wanna?
Mahabharata don't support Homosexuality.
@@uddhevhm919 it does .... Read books properly then ask questions
@@Aradhaya45720 I have completed it from first to last. Didn't find any such thing as homosexuality. If you have proof then quote the verse ?
Yes ,Soul is the most important thing but dont forget people learn from history.Look at the USA ,what a a fked degenerate society,lgbtqs spreading degeneracy ,encouraging others to do adultery,gender identity,biological man changing genders to female because he feels like a female(WTF) detc all that BS.India must preserve its value just like the middle eastern countries.
BUT THE MAJORITY CANNOT DECIDE THE RIGHT OF MINORITIES..... That is the most rational and intelligent statement I've heard since 2014....
"Man/Woman is not defined by genitals."
Biology be like : Yeh kya koi mazaak hai? 😂
Anatomy doesn’t determine your gender. It really is a complex subject. Thodi research karo google pe samajh aajayega.
@@Wildshraz Vai ilaaj kara le apna.
@@Tech.Maniac-X dikh raha hai kise ilaj ki zarurat hai. Anatomy kya hai apko pata nahi hai. And jo information nahi pata ho na toh either kindly try to learn about it or stop commenting people who knows it. Aur haan, Mai doctor hun, aajana ilaj ke liye. Free me kardungi.
@@Wildshraz Ha kisiko nahi pata vai, tujhe hi aur cji ko hi pata hai. Chal bhokna bandh kar ab.
@@Tech.Maniac-X haan duniya ke saare medical doctors pagal hai aur aap sikhaoge hume kya sahi aur kya galat. Sahi kehte hai, izzat sabko raaz nahi aati. Peace out brother ✌️, khush raho apni duniya me🤍.
The judge who said that there is no concept of men or women is high on weed.
So what about the people born with extra sets of chromosomes like xyy and xxy?
@@rishitomar67those are exceptions and not the norm.
@@freud7264 yes they are not the norm but they exist and they are still millions of people around the world , also being gay or bisexual is still not the norm in many countries around the world does that mean they dont exist and that we should exclude them?
Waiting so excitedly for a positive decision on same sex marriages in my country. This progressive mindset takes us far ahead of what we were before.
I love the fact that one of the lawyers defending same sex marriage is a lesbian
2:49 this alone should be enough to understand and decide if most people were empathetic
True
What solid logics being presented in the court for legalisation of same sex marriage and the man against the motion is just stuck on one point biological man and women. Stupidity at its peak.
"Majority cannot decide the rights of the minority"♥️♥️..., It's their life and it's none of your concerns...love is love no matter what..🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🔥
But tum musalman ho
@@aaatd7550 so, is it okay to interfere in someone else's life, it's ridiculous.
@@aaatd7550 for me, unlike you humanity comes first, not religion.
@@mohammedshafi9124 But doesn’t Islam prohibit lgbtq? Just asking
@@aaatd7550 tell me what religion allows LGBTQ?, you can't point any religious text verse which support LGBTQ, and i don't care whether islam prohibit or not LGBTQ, being a human, i can see them who they really are, i will always be an ally.
🥺🥺....It's nice to see, they are speaking on their behalf , supporting the LGBTQ community
My country is changing. And the best part is, for the good
No it's not good 👍
again, the concept of sex, gender and sexuality is different. Sex is the mapping of your chromosomes, you can be XY, XX, XYX and its generally categorised as AMAB(assigned male at birth), AFAB, or intersex. The concept of sex is that, and all the "biology" these people speak of.
Gender is a social construct, it is a function of societal expectations and features based on our bodies. It is a huge and broad spectrum. Identity or Gender identity, is formed in a human child within four or five years of age. And identity can evolve and nuances can be discovered within oneself for years on end. If your identity matches with that assigned at your birth, you are cisgender. And if you're not, you maybe non-binary, genderfluid or transgender.
Sexuality is different, it is who you are attracted to, you can be attracted to your own gender (homosexual - gay/lesbian), other gender (heterosexual/straight), two or more genders (bisexual), irrespective of gender (pansexual) or you might feel no attraction (asexual), and multiple others. And although straights, and cis people make up the majority, queer people, basically everyone who is everyone not cis or straight, have existed since there were humans, are existing, and will keep existing forever.
Just give this a quick read before spewing the most illogical bullshit known to man.
Gender is not a notion, XY and XX chromosomes are basic science. You should not challenge the basic science that defines not only the scientific community but the nation as whole.
There's a difference between Gender and Sex. I think you have studied this in your High school.
If you can't differentiate between sex and gender, please educate yourself before blatantly spreading misinformation
@@subhmaypatra5562 Which scientist says that Sex is different from Gender?
The idea of Gender itself is a myth.
Gender ≠ sex
@@devanshvajpeyee8440 W
Western Leftist Illness taking effects in Indian Society and in some Judges minds... Careful...
Glad to know we are making progressing in this space too 🎉. Everyone should get equal opportunity to experience love in their own way ❤.
1. Because of the societal pressure and stigma against gay people, many gay men still marry straight women. The lives of these men and women is far worse than hell! Loneliness becomes their life. Hence, Gay people should be allowed to marry.
2. However, gay rights should stop here with marriage, health insurance, etc. Trans women should not be allowed to participate in women's competitions or should not able to get jobs under women's quota. Create a completely different category for gay and trans people legally. Just like there are men's and women's tournaments, there should be separate tournaments for trans men and trans women in which they can compete with each other. We don't need to ape each and everything that US does! US society is collapsing and is headed towards a race and gender war.
True...As much as I support this community I fear that in the future it will lead astray the future generations just like what is happening in the US...
Gay, lesbians 🧐 tournaments 🤦gay=men and lesbian=women..men,women,transmen,transwomen is enough
@@joiceabraham2102 Agree
Iam neutral when it comes to same sex marriage, but I'm completely against bringing gender identity nonsense into this country. It's ridiculous and shouldn't be legitimised, but treated
Gender identity has existed since the ancient Vedic period my friend what are you saying? Shikhandi was a trans man in Mahabharata, Vishnu changed his gender a lotta times into Mohini, and also intersex people exist as much as trans people exist. The only scientific treatment for gender dysphoria (which makes people trans) is transitioning into the opposite gender. conversion therapy would simply lead to an increase in gender dysphoria of a person and it has been proven not to work in most cases.
Gender transition is the treatment.
Chandrachud is the lawyer for the petitioner.
The last lady is absolutely true. Her words are like fundamental, no one can deny this fact
You see in my opinion having a concept of civil union is very necessary. Say even if I don't marry a woman and I have a relationship with another man and he is the one who loved me most in this world (let's say not sexually) . So I will expect the state to give him all the power attorney given to a wife in heterosexual marriage like inheritance, pension, signing authority, tax benefits etc. By recognizing two individuals in a civil union, you can give them legal rights they are demanding. As far as civil rights like divorce, alimony, domestic violence and other things are concerned, let's wait for UCC then the parliament will debate on the matter of homosexual civil rights ( if rahul gandhi allows the parliament to do so).
And yes lgbtq organizations are also demanding civil rights but that matter can be reserved for future as civil rights are not really fundamental rights. Rather they are created with a consensus between science and society like 18 and 21 as age of marriage in hindu the marriage act. Leave aside the muslim personal law stating 15 as minimum age of marriage for girls as islam and science going two opposite way is not really shocking but hindus yes they carry enough maturity and don't want to governed by some asmaani kitaab. One thing I forgot to add is that banning homosexuality is the provision in quran and bible not the hindu scriptures. So any hindu opposing homosexuality is actually supporting islamic values.
Yes
very logical points made by the lady and people in the supporting group hope they change the laws that were imposed by british
What ? Hinduism forbidden Homosexuality from the ancient time.
If you can't suppress feeling of minority than by that logic is it ok to perform zoophile? Necrophile? Incest?? Anyone willing to bother clearing my doubts??
Well i think first of all the matter of discussion the court is doing is different form your thought , court is just deciding if gay marriage can be legal , your ideology is that all the gay people do is sex and nothing else ,
Isn't there an obvious difference between harmful activities involving risks of deadly diseases or violence and love between two consenting adults?
@@andrisk2703 i know what you are saying.... But there are many instances in the world where two consenting adults performed incest! Then who the fuck are we to judge them? Why there's a law to punish those who performed incest even if it was consensual? And no it could not cause any disease to whoever is performing incest!
@@andrisk2703incest also love between consenting adult may be Zoophilia too because animals consent doesn't matter if we are doing everything with animals without their consent like drinking their milk and eating their meat
@@NeeleshVerma-s2e Zoophilia is animal abuse. It's also dangerous for humans.
Incest is a complicated topic. It can lead to the birth of children with severely compromised health. But if there's no pregnancy involved, this subject is up to discussion.
In this case the conversation is obviously about two unrelated consenting adults who don't harm each other in any way.
What do this mean by saying every developed country is progressive and we should not fall behind, its like saying that “tum kuye mein kudoge to hum bhi kudenge”. Being at the court of justice and saying certain stuff favorable to someone does not mean that it represents the thought of the whole majority of the people, discussing on these matters at a time when other cases are pending , nothing matters only “shadi”, what is happening lol, time waste
"Shaadi" is a right of every citizen. It's a different matter if you want to exercise it or not, but isn't it a right available to everyone?
So they think that adopted children would have bad impact if they have parents like us !
Do you think every child have safe environment now or they don't have bad environment in their homes ?? come on let us live like what we want we are also humans beings just like everyone !!
Adoption of children and legalizing same sex marriage are different issues. Same sex marriage can only be legalized under the special marriage act and not under the personal laws. But, adoption is under the JJ Act and the hindu personal law... so any validation of same sex marriage won't let you legally adopt a child as parents. The child will only have a single parent ...you or your partner. You cannot legally be the mom-mom /dad - dad of the child on the official documents. So if adoption is your issue, you can adopt now also, ....not an issue.
@@adityadwivedi7672 but legalise the same sex marriage .
We want legalisation of same sex marriage .
And wants those rights those benefits which stright couples have from government .
We want marriage certificate , medical encorance .
I wish that this law is accepted. People have been discriminated for their truth. I, as a Hindu, has always heard the saying "Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram"; the Truth is Divine and the Truth is Beautiful. And we are rejecting that Truth!!!! That's absolute blasphemy!!!! May we awaken from this Discriminating Lie.
You aren't a Hindu if you suport this .also the truth isn't debauchery .both are different
I am 22 years old and I have heard satyam shivam sundaram countless time.
But didn't know its meaning.
You wrote it so beautifully ❣️
Been following this hearing for a time now and watching my right to love and to marry the one I love being discussed is almost like a fever dream. The fact that we are celebrating 75 years of independence from the British and this western mindset of fitting into this, this and this box makes you "normal" and a valid member of society, has not left us and it makes me so so sad.
These talks are so positive... I hope at the end of the day there will be a positive result
I wonder if right to love is applicable in Islam as well. Taliban and ISIS used to kill same sex couples as it's haram according to Shariah.
I can see why the insurance thing is a problem, I can see that there are benefits homosexual couples cannot apply for. This should be ammended. But I also agree that there is no notion when speaking about biological sex. One must not confuse feminity and masculinity with XX and XY chromosomes. Science is absolute truth and there is no place for someone's notion. I would hate a US like crisis here in India where people don't even consider themselves human anymore and identify themselves as animals.
A nurse here. I wouldn't call science an absolute truth. More of a trial and error. But if you consider science as true , then please understand the ICD has already declared being trans or gay is not an illness.
And while on the subject, there are a lot of people who just not have the majority chromosome constitution XX and XY. People can have a extra X chromosome or an extra Y.or may even miss a X . They are a minority but still exist. So, i would have to argue that the idea of just biological man and biological woman is a religious and social one.
Identifying as a animal is whole another issue.
Not all men are XY and not all women are XX. Sometimes XYX and other forms exist too. Nature does not fit neatly into people's ideas of "pure man" or "pure woman". There are even people with male bodies but born with female brains or female bodies but with male brains. People should not be discriminated against just because they don't fit perfectly into another person's view of what a "real man" is. Discrimination against gay people is discrimination based on gender.
Lol you confused sex and gender. Educate yourself them come here
well these are the stepping stones to the chaos in usa
@@devanshvajpeyee8440 It is quite easy to call out a stranger on the internet the way you did. However we can always chose to be polite when conducting ourselves. Anyways I understand that gender identities are part of the social identity. Your social identity can be different percentages of femininity and masculinity and is quite fluid. Howver the biological truth is absolute. You cannot go and change each chromosome in your cell. That's why I say there is no notion when speaking about biological sex (or biological man in the context of this video). Hope you understand.
yes everyone is progressing. but now those countries are suffering. same sex marriage is absolutely stupid thing.
- At one point .. Ms Luthra gives the minority logic.
Then she quotes the NUMBERS (How many countries, G20 countries, European Union, some 34 countries) to support HOW MANY (See substantially, almost everyone, i.e. the majority) are for the Same sex marriage.
- So, what is it that she stands for -: What the Majority is doing? Or what the Minority is upto?
Confused people have led this world in to chaos
Good observation. But it could be possible that situation was same in all those countries at the time of legislation. Yet they legalized it.
thanks god this is way better than parliamentary debates
its official guys i now myself identifies as Apache attack helicopter and my pronouns are thakthakthakthak
I'm gay but this comment was funny 🤣
@@tomriddle-ki6ce why are you gey bro two tight leather belts on your back can turn you back to default settings 🤡
Learn from the mistakes of the west and make decisions based on real evidence.
Jai hind
"Its far more complex than that"
Proof?
Trust me bruh💯
You must be an atheist ,because ‘trust me bruh’ proof is working perfectly there.
And, Science isn’t a religion bruh to claim just anything without a proof.
I truly hope Indian judiciary legalizes same sex marriage, for it is a basic human right! The lawyers fighting for the lgbtq rights, hatts off to them. Not a single point mentioned by them was absurd nd invalid, it definitely makes sense nd cannot be denied at any cost!
Same sex marriage, this will create lot of complications in future in India , If marriage is granted so has to be for divorce, then rights then institutions need to be set for this.
It was mentioned that MARRIAGE IS BETWEEN TWO SOUL NOT TWO "GENDERS"....there is no importance of two opposite GENDER ....It can be same gender also !!!
@cyberbratz bro .. Lemme update you ....GOD make this and this is natural . There was a time when god turned into a transwoman and married lord shiva . So please don't argue wit me again . May be it's your fault you didn't get education properly as well as so called CULTURE properly !
homosexuality has been in the roots of hinduism since decades, a little research would tell you all about it. the britishers ruined the mentality of indian people and now they themselves have legalised it but indians still don’t want to leave behind their “colonial mindset”
Biological Man is a Biological Man this is absolute.. it goes to the bones..
Even after centuries if u dig a male person bones it will tell that it belongs to a men.
When can we expect the judgement? It's been 3 months since the hearing.
Please tell !!!
Most probably by the end of this month
Ina few decades, or not in our lifetime because this is the Indian judiciary
India ko America banane ki chakkar main baughty America ho gaya 😅
Why are all these people deciding how a person should live? What most people want...is that nature?😠
i hope india just dosent turn into present day america. like one day people wake up and say i am a man next day a woman
That's the society's fault. If society hadn't established the strong norms of gender like "This is Man" and "This is Woman" it won't be happening.
But sadly Indian society is also divided by the same norms. If the society keeps its mindset unchanged then the consequences Americans are facing would be the same for India. And i bet Indians wouldn't like it and they'd need someone to blame and guess what they'll blame it all on the lgbt
The irony is that such a situation is more typical for Indian culture rather than American. In traditional western cultures transgenders were persecuted, while in India you've got hijras, gender-fluid deities and the society seems to have always been quite-accepting of this, even under muslim rule, before the british came.
I have no problem with same sex marriage but cji questioning the definition of male and female is quite concerning.. he is trying to bring Western shit in india ..
He should know that he is the judge of india not the US
The one female lawyer with short. Hairs was really impressive in her way of delivery
I think my awe of the judicial process just increased by a few notches. This was a fascinating watch.
Socio-economic rights are mandatory for same-sex couples. If you don't want to call it marriage, then legalize Civil Union or Civil Partnership with equal benefits as a married couple to the same-sex couples, although Marriage is legally a contract as long as the provision of Divorce exists.
In my opinion, parliament cannot deny the Socio-economic rights to the same-sex couples as they are also the voting & tax-paying citizens of this vibrant democracy.
Same sex marriage should be allowed but not the pronouns drama that happens in the west.
It's not your business, It's their wish..And who the hell are you to decide and control them.
It's everybody's business .it's the society that has been built upto since vedic ages . Introducing new ideas that threaten the very existence of it becomes each of us 's buisnesses
@@mohitanand1844 Mald and cope
@@mohitanand1844 they won't harm you or your children dw
@@sampanna6983 go rope
@@18football18 lol. They aren't known for not harming children
There are many serious issues which needs The Hon'ble SC's perusal ignoring them this case is heard and I find this very fascinating that all the highly paid lawyers are arguing on this case.
Feels emotions as a doctor 😢before I never understood but after getting a license as a doctor I understood what it’s it’s quite normal and natural
Same here😅
I wish I could explain u more over here😅
@@s.q5629 definitely
@@dr.amanraj6326 Anyways lets see how SC deals this coz i don't think parliament is gonna do something fr it as every single party is behind the vote banks politics And At the end we remember not the words of our our enemies but the silence of our friends.
Majority can't decide the right of minority but minorities can block road and be threat to majority.
If it's within the laws then yeah, that's how you get to change the laws & that's how you get to defeat the govt
@@srikanthsv79 then majority will decide right of minority, court decision can be overturned by parliament where a majority makes government 😂
@@ramishkumar4354 majority can't restrict rights of minority, where's that written?
That's against the law again to restrict others fundamental right to marry or choose their partner
@@ramishkumar4354 right to strike is again a basic right as long as it doesn't harm others physically
No lawyer used CJI's adopted para-daughters to keep a valid point. If two differently abled person want to marry irrespective of sex, bcoz no biological normal person would marry, they will be dprived of love at an equal- partner level. Just parents and sympathy would be the form of love. Don't differetly abled have the right to love? Article 21 must add this.
It's not a question of genitals but a question of sex chromosomes.
Chromosomes show same for trans people too yet they aren't males, yes?
Those who are saying it's a western thing , you guys should not assume this. Have you ever met or talked to someone who is from the community?? If not then please don't guess. I myself is from a little village, 18 years of my life i was just known that I was the only one who is attracted to the same gender. I grew up in a lower middle class family. I never seen someone who is from LGBTQIA in my entire childhood. I didn't even had access to mobile until i turned 18. I never been to west🙄 then wtf are you guys saing. From my early childhood i know that I was gay even I have no words to describe it. Please be sensible, for you it can be a mere comment or statement against LGBTQ but this is our day to day suffering. No need to have opinions if you don't understand something.🙏🙏
Fr like these people haven't even tried to talk to a LGBTQ person and tries to decides their rights for them lol if they've met one they'd know these queer people is as normal as them
@@anjum1130 True, in my case also my own friends say, "You don't look like gay, may be you are confused." They say it because they have seen or heard nonsense things about us, now when they see me as normal as them they are doubtful. It's all comes with miss representation.
@@sourabh2842 exactly it's sad how radical straight men are towards LGBTQ people I hope that changed in near future and people will be less backward minded
Changes*
So why you want to get married just live with your partner, marriage is a religious institution, no religion is ready to accept you, I think in hinduism we have this thing and I personally think that Hindus should accept it but now that Noone cares about religious text, so obviously even Hindus won't accept you, forget about Islam and Christianity. Why you want to get married, if it is for insurance and other practical perpose then you should fight for that.
As far as I am concerned India needs a new marriage. We needed it about 3 decades ago. But still I say, now is the best time to make necessary changes. Scrap all the special marriage acts and make a new unified inclusive act which reflects today's India. I am happy that SC is seriously discussing this matter. I hope for a win-win!
If not genitals then what Will define someone's gender?
Genitals dont because trans have dicks yet not males
@cyberbratz hormones also show different levels of Estrodiol & testosterone, so?
@cyberbratz trans people sound exactly like males with all the features, so? Are they male for that matter?
As a woman i need to tell u this that any religion of the world never gave women equal rights. in hindus they call woman "devi" but being in a hindu family none of the family member gives equal right, respect, freedom or opportunities as men. but what gave these rights us were the constitution of India. so I think it's really important to give equal rights to the lgbtq community too from the constitution of the India.
The people did not give respect, the religion did.
Also LGB is ok, t is weird
I hope people treat us like a human being and give us human rights rather than calling us "devi".
@@79arpitadora93 It works both ways actually... Good Women are called devis, and good men are called as devatas... The latter part is not highlighted as much. Anyways be a good person to everyone, and I think you will get respect some day. Hare Krishna.
@@ryanroshan2732 that's right 👍
@@79arpitadora93 when ur deeds are like surpnakha or u live with rakchhasa
U will not be treated like devi
Remember mata seeta was not treated good by ravana
Also lots of female crime are happening under constitution only 😂
They took a decade to realise mbbs and ayurvedic doctors are functionally different. I trust them to make wrong decisions
I wish Supreme Court of India was actually doing justice to the label "Supreme". More reasons to migrate abroad.🙄
MAN- XY
WOMAN- XX
SWEET AND SIMPLE ❤❤❤😂
What about people with genetic defects and stop liking your comments
From media to lawyers to all educated common men, all are supporting same sex marriage rights. This is beautiful. India is soon becoming a first world country❤❤❤❤❤
I have such a huge respect for CJI sir
‘there’s no absolute concept of a biological man or woman’
Wokeness 101
Some day they say rape is also sex it's just involves some force so it should be legalised
Just take a moment and rethink what you just said.
U oppose LGBTQ marriage etc. that's fine.
But atleast don't drop your standards this much
@@divyanshgarg2401 I don't have a so called standard to begin with to tell the truth
People who are saying hindunism support same sex marriage ,then why vedas says marriage is only between man and woman