Perspective : SAME-SEX MARRIAGE | 14 March, 2023
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- The Supreme Court on Monday referred the pleas seeking legal validation of same-sex marriages to a five-judge constitution bench for adjudication. A bench headed by Chief Justice D Y Chandrachud called it a seminal issue, saying the submissions on the matter involve an interplay between constitutional rights on the one hand and special legislative enactments, including the Special Marriage Act, on the other. The Centre has opposed in the top court the batch of petitions seeking legal validation of same-sex marriages, claiming they will cause a “complete havoc” with the delicate balance of personal laws and accepted societal values.Further arguments on the matter will be heard on April 18th and proceedings will be live-streamed as is done in case of hearings before the constitution benches hearing. What the SC’s pronouncement will be is something that we’ll have to wait for. But we’ll discuss the contentions being made on the matter - what the petitioners have been demanding and why the Centre has a different stand.
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1. Desh Ratan Nigam, Advocate, Supreme Court of India
2.Rahul Easwar, Author & Activist
3.Harish Iyer, Equal Rights Activist
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Arguments in the favor of legalization of same-sex marriage:
1. India is not a parliamentary democracy like UK where parliament is supreme. It's a constitutional democracy where constitution is supreme. So, even parliament can not amend the basic features of our constitution called as Basic Structure Doctrine.
2. Equality is a part of Basic Structure Doctrine accepted in Indira Sawhney Case(2000). Sexual Orientation is a part of 'sex' mentioned under Article 14, Article 15 interpreted by SC in Navtej Singh Johar Case. Right to marriage is a Fundamental Right under Article 19 & Article 21 interpreted by SC in Shafin Jahan Vs Asokan KM (Hadiya Case). Taking away marriage rights from a class of citizens is violation of fundamental rights given under Article 14, 15, 19 & 21 to citizens of India. In case of violation of fundamental right, individuals will go to SC under Article 32 and not Parliament for protection of their fundamental Rights( Petitioners have done the same in this case. )
3. Marriage is not something only about having sex and procreation. Do we nullify heterosexual marriage which don't procreate? It's more about love, partnership, making decisions for each other, companionship etc. Marriage is part of expression and taking it from certain individuals dehumanize them. It also severely affect their health, life, dignity etc. Does we make a better society by dehumanizing certain individuals of our own society? Doesn't it lead to brain drain when they are forced to migrate to other countries because they get their basic rights and acceptance there?
4. In one of the interpretations of Marriage in Hinduism, it's about the union of two souls. When did soul have any gender?
4. Having a particular sexual orientation is not a matter of choice. If yes when did majority choose to become heterosexual and feel certain way? Do we create our own feelings? And if it's a choice why will someone choose to be from LGBTQIA+ for getting so much hatred, insecurity, alienation, exclusion etc?
5. For the people calling it unnatural, what is nature exactly? Even our clothes which we wear are not natural. Even the youtube on which we are watching and reading comments is not natural. Are we so repelled to man-made things? And what makes one way of having sex natural and other unnatural? Scientific community like WHO, Indian Psychiatric Association etc. have approved it as totally normal and natural after research. Similar relations have been found in many other species(nature).
6. For the people asking for going through education, awareness, sensitization- It's because of awareness only that today we are discussing about it. The first pride march took place in 1999 in Kolkata. It's the efforts of many people and awareness only through which SC could give a favorable judgement in 2018 without much strong social reaction. We all must have seen pride marches being held in different part of cities across India. Inclusion of Trans people in NCERT curriculum was another example of such attempt which was opposed and taken back. Legal route is just one way of multipronged approach.
7. Coming to common people of India which doesn't limit only to few metropolitan cities, they don't understand even subtle differences between Legislature, Executive and Judiciary. Do they cease to exist? And does parliamentarians ask everything from them during their day to day operations? And who will cause complete havoc? ( "Kya hai Dakshin, Kya hai Wam, Janta ko Roti se Kaam" - Baba Nagarjun )
8. Let's forget about Lesbians, Gays, Bisexuals, Queer, Intersex, Asexuals and others for a minute. May be it's western influence. But what about trans people? They always existed in our culture whom we called 'Hizda', 'Chhakka', 'Gud', 'Mamu', 'Kinnar' while growing up. Shikhandi in Mahabharata was a trans person most of us will be aware of. As a society how have we progressed? What about their rights? We can't find even basic infrastructure such as toilets for them at public places. We don't have even dignified words for them. Why did we fail to acknowledge their rights despite their existence since history? and whom shall they approach for their rights?
9. Post independence example- Ambedkar faced the similar opposition for Widow Remarriage and Intercaste marriage while presenting Hindu Marriage Bill in the parliament which petitioners are facing today with the same argument in the name of customs, traditions and readiness of society.
Wonderful effort is done by u.... writing such a long content 🌟.....your arguments are so fantastic 🌟🌟🌟👍....
Good are you preparing for CAPF??
Amazing, logical & powerful reply!
ABHINAV you just won my heart 💜
The analysis made by u is so awesome that it gives me goosebumps! currently I'm into UPSCE preparation and can connect with this words used by u!what an optimistic way of presenting this into beautiful way❤❤ and yes ofcourse in the end WE DON'T REMEMBER THE WORD'S OF OUR Enemies WHAT WE ACTUALLY REMEMBER IS THE SILENCE OF OUR FRIENDS!!HOPE JUSTICE WILL BE DONE FOR EVERYONE!
I appreciate you for this. Thank you so much for this.🙏🙏🙏
Genuine debate...diverse, contracting opinions but nobody made personal remark of shouted on anyone...decent debate with dignity..i wish we could see more debates like this..
Harish Iyer, I couldn't agree more. Very best wishes from London U.K.
Considering indian society to be regressive is a wrong idea. Society is much more progressive and accepting than the parliamentarians. It is the personal bias of parliamentarians that is coming in way of granting rights to same sex couples
Totally agree....👍
I don't think so. Society is still not comfortable with different religious beliefs and culture.. Leave apart same sex marriage. Only a little fraction of society.. is fine with it although not very comfortable.
law of Aryans (2-4% of 1.4B controlling the subcontinent ) people comments that's what it means..
Mostly law of Aryans and Arabian peninsula are same about gender , right?
They should have allowed same sex marriages a long, LONG time ago. I do not consider myself to be religious; but I do support religious freedom. But I want people to understand. I know that the Bible says that homosexuality is a “sin.” And I quote. But it was people who wrote that book. Some of the events are most certainly fictional; while some of it only TECHNICALLY happened. It was just misunderstood. The whole reason why it is considered to be a crime to be gay, lesbian, bisexual, trans, and non binary is because PEOPLE made it into a crime! There is no law in the universe saying that a man can’t be with a man; and a woman can’t be with a woman. Gravity, and science will not stop you. I am just so sick of this discrimination against people; just because they are different! Let’s just be treated as normal creatures of this Earth! I will not judge you if you are Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, Islam, Buddhist, Folk, etc. But just because a book tells you to do something, doesn’t automatically make it true. All I’m saying is that they should have legalized marriage equality a long, LONG time ago! Why did they have to wait until the 21st century?! They could have done that much sooner! Think about the people in Afghanistan that have to keep their relationship secret so they won’t be tortured to death. I pity those people that have to live in fear for who they are. Let’s try to make a stand. Because I don’t believe in destiny. I believe that actions speak louder than words. If we want to see change for social and political equality; then we have to make it happen. It is not going to just happen for us. We have to make that difference. Let’s make that world a better place together!☺️👍
I don't find anything wrong with same sex relationships but why bring marriage into this
We have two problems in our society.
1) declining birth rate
2) decline in value of nuclear family
Children grow BEST in an healthy family with both the mother and the father present. The covenant of marriage was established for this purpose. Hence tax exemptions are given to married couples to encourage them to bring children into this world and give them the protection and safety of a healthy family.
In india we have certain values which are essential. What is happening in the united states is the best example of a society without any morals. Children are being groomed, sexualized from really young ages in the name of lgbtq without parents consent.They even support the mutilation of children. (There is an excellent book called Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier which I request that you read or atleast check out her lectures online and you will understand the seriousness of it all)
Childlessness is also huge problems there. As a woman by the time you reach 30 your fertility rate reduces to around 20%. Unfortunately more than 50% women in the united states in their 30s will be childless in the coming years. If you see the highest demographic of people on anti depressants in the united states are childless women. Suicide rates have tripled among men...and most of these men are either childless or fatherless or both.
Divorce rates are also high there, fatherlessness being a huge concern...
Studies show that once the child is older it is crucial for him/her to have a good father figure at home.
We see all of this happening because they do not respect or understand marriage for what it stands for. They do not have strong values to hold the society together anymore. ....
More than panelists, I have enjoyed n supported Teena ma'am arguments. Good one ma'am 👍
We want Marriage rights for LGBTQIA community. Thre is no going back now...🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈🌈
No i oppose
I too oppose
Grow up
Simple go to other countries 😮😅
@@ajayshera7082 who cares about you 🤡🤡
You will tell that our Bharat is not ours???
Who are you?
Mr. Harish Iyer arguments are awesome 👍👍👍
With legalising same sex marriage I don't see any major affect on society as such reason being 70 to 80 percent of population still have no idea about it and people in rural areas, people below poverty line are least concerned with this issue ,but it is the only LGBTQ+ community who will actually get affected with this positively ,so why not to give a thought to these people's happiness ? Or ye kon log h actually Jo hovac create krenge me? Why they have so much of free time? Why they are not busy in contributing to nation's economy or society's economy ? And democracy does not mean that minority rights will be ignored, It only means that majority will look after minority and their needs and will bring them at par.
I don't find anything wrong with same sex relationships but why bring marriage into this
We have two problems in our society.
1) declining birth rate
2) decline in value of nuclear family
Children grow BEST in an healthy family with both the mother and the father present. The covenant of marriage was established for this purpose. Hence tax exemptions are given to married couples to encourage them to bring children into this world and give them the protection and safety of a healthy family.
In india we have certain values which are essential. What is happening in the united states is the best example of a society without any morals. Children are being groomed, sexualized from really young ages in the name of lgbtq without parents consent.They even support the mutilation of children. (There is an excellent book called Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier which I request that you read or atleast check out her lectures online and you will understand the seriousness of it all)
Childlessness is also huge problems there. As a woman by the time you reach 30 your fertility rate reduces to around 20%. Unfortunately more than 50% women in the united states in their 30s will be childless in the coming years. If you see the highest demographic of people on anti depressants in the united states are childless women. Suicide rates have tripled among men...and most of these men are either childless or fatherless or both.
Divorce rates are also high there, fatherlessness being a huge concern...
Studies show that once the child is older it is crucial for him/her to have a good father figure at home.
We see all of this happening because they do not respect or understand marriage for what it stands for. They do not have strong values to hold the society together anymore. ....
@imCursed I know what they'll say - **Je to bhaiya galat baat hai, ham to nhi maante, par theek hai, kuch log honge, ab niyam ban hi gya, hme kya**. Noone is thalua enough to start a riot over this. Except politically motivated gangs.
And even if people are aware of it, would granting legal recognition to same-sex marriage curb our rights in any way? Why are people vehemently opposing things that will not affect their rights and freedom in any way?
And to the people fearing 'indoctrination' of our children, look at countries which have legalised such unions.
@@arnatri1503 im with you on everything except the last part 😂😂😂
This advocate is silent supporter of central government on this particular matter. He's clearly advocating his personal views.
You are also giving your personal views .
And you are a kind of judgemental and anti central government.
Right....hope 18th march will be celebrated as a sign of a Progressive and intellectual development of Indians❤🙏
@@Samikshakomal Hopefully 🤞🤞
@@Samikshakomal badi aai....Parliament mai palat denge.... Fir divorce kr lega
@@omkar23549 Don't you know about judicial review??
legal acceptance accelerates social acceptance
For legal acceptance we transgender in our parliamentary system
It's not 100% correct .
गलत examples को दिया जाता है ऐसे कथन को सत्यापित करने के लिए जैसे
सती प्रथा निरोधी कानून
पहली बात तो सती प्रथा पूरे भारत में नही किया जाता था it was mostly limited to bangal region .
And people didn't wanted to go for it and rarely it was forced upon all an all it used to be the will of the widow, to which people used to see with honour and secredbess .
Absolutely.
But you would not want that in a democracy. If ‘laws’ are deciding what should be acceptable, are we being ruled by the people or the parliamentarians? The lawmakers are OUR REPRESENTATIVES, they are supposed to reflect the society’s will at large. Think about it.
@@vedant17 No, people want to accept or have no strong reason to oppose. But laws are preventing them from accepting
Sansad TV is surviving because of Journalists like Tina Jha who are really good in articulation and conveying the point around especially of the weaker section, if the same debate have given to Manoj Verma the whole trajectory of the debate would have been different
We cannot wait and wait and wait any longer...we have suffered a lot for centuries...we want gay marriage now...🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈
And have orgies everyday fook every hot man yes
Ja be chakke😂😂😂😂
I think it is high time to provide the trans community their due share of rights . Issues like sabrimala has really paved way for other reforms to come into force and develop an inclusive society . No denial in the fact that a legislation without social acceptance fails to some extent with a disintegrating force , but also it is imperative to realise that the issue in the making is of primary importance and all stakeholders should work in tendam so that a way forward could be charted out .
I don't find anything wrong with same sex relationships but why bring marriage into this
We have two problems in our society.
1) declining birth rate
2) decline in value of nuclear family
Children grow BEST in an healthy family with both the mother and the father present. The covenant of marriage was established for this purpose. Hence tax exemptions are given to married couples to encourage them to bring children into this world and give them the protection and safety of a healthy family.
In india we have certain values which are essential. What is happening in the united states is the best example of a society without any morals. Children are being groomed, sexualized from really young ages in the name of lgbtq without parents consent.They even support the mutilation of children. (There is an excellent book called Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier which I request that you read or atleast check out her lectures online and you will understand the seriousness of it all)
Childlessness is also huge problems there. As a woman by the time you reach 30 your fertility rate reduces to around 20%. Unfortunately more than 50% women in the united states in their 30s will be childless in the coming years. If you see the highest demographic of people on anti depressants in the united states are childless women. Suicide rates have tripled among men...and most of these men are either childless or fatherless or both.
Divorce rates are also high there, fatherlessness being a huge concern...
Studies show that once the child is older it is crucial for him/her to have a good father figure at home.
We see all of this happening because they do not respect or understand marriage for what it stands for. They do not have strong values to hold the society together anymore. ....
Sabrimala is a case of diversity not discrimination....do you understand the concept of devine in hinduism.. Or are you judging if from the abhramic point of view.
People need to understand the difference between legality and legitimacy!
law of Aryans (2-4% of 1.4B controlling the subcontinent ) people comments that's what it means..
Mostly law of Aryans and Arabian peninsula are same about gender , right?
@@Arunava_Sar we are not Aryan we are indian
Period
@@Arunava_Sar ye aryan aryan kya laga rakha hai, hai kaun ye aryan 2023 me
@@sidharthsagar3605 achha, I understood, tell RSS and western and Europeans to not use the word "Aryan"
1. Mohini (Vishnu changed to female form, MTF trans) to marry Shiva, 2. Aravani (famous trans deity that Krishna changed into) because he needed to marry Aravan (Ulupi and Arjuna's son) before Mahabharata began, 3. Shikhandi (FtM) not only transitioned to become the reason of Bhisma's death but also married a princess. 4. Agni (masculine) married several (yes, polyarmours) gods like Soma. He also took Shiva's semen to create Skanda ect etc....here are some examples from our Sanatan Hindu culture... Whoever doesn't has the knowledge about your own culture/history should be ashamed of yourself🙏🏼🙌🏼🇮🇳🏳️🌈
Facts 💯
🏳️🌈
But as citizens of India
We need rights to marry atleast
please leave the country and renounce the citizenship then marry whomever you like, won't allow us to destroy our culture.
Sry bro / sis... Jo kuch bhi ho... Ye nhi ho sakta...
@@omkar23549 u won't decide that
Very informative discuss
@Bouja Strook some people are addictively fond of deriding others
One thing I must say, host asked really good questions covered almost all possible aspect.
We all should say " 🚫 NO" to homophobia....
Why
Koi product h jise na keh de
Esa to kya kuchh nhi ho rha duniya me Jo har living being k liye bhot khatarnak h even painful h ...vha dhyan ni diya jata
Great discussion. Very informative
Excellent debate!
May everybody get wisdom as early as possible❤
I really praise the anchor for her talent
Knowledgeable
I agree with it but it still points towards parliament being supreme, isn't it? Everyday me and so many other people questions ourselves about the reality of it all, as if we were in a nightmare. There's no protection for us, institutions like police or even or local MLA's are corrupt. And to be honest I've seen in my college that straight people from younger generation do not really care at all about the issue, they are not outright homophobic but are not compassionate about it either. Is this the atmanirbhar bharat is? We are supposedly to be a resilient, growing and progressive society but all I see is ignorance and bigotry.
@Himanshu Kaushik nope technically constitution is supreme in India. We have made it so with our rigid constitution like that of USA. We are not a country like UK where parliament and their laws are considered to be supreme.
@@himanshukaushik4909yes...but within the basic structure doctrine of the constitution which was set by SC in 1973...parliament can't pass any law which violates this doctrine....the constitution bench will pass the order in favour of marriage equality, it's for sure now!which is a good thing!
@@himanshukaushik4909 firstly, parliament can issue contempt notice ONLY in d cases of breach of its privileges...nothing more...
Secondly, bothe the cases u mentioned had serious political implications for d respective ruling parties...in this case govt will pretend ignorant cuz nobody wud care...
And plz refer to the NJAC case where both d houses passed d bill uninamously & then SC held it unconstitutional, & d parliament didnt dars to do anything bout it...
It's actually for d better if SC remains d most powerful institution, since they r mostly sane!!!
Parliament always be supreme as it shows the will of people!
@@chandansinghpatni will of people or will of members of parliament? Think about it.
Thanks for sansad tv today news in english
Oustanding debate...👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Mr Rahul is quoting the old revolutionaries like Swami Vivekanand and Raja Ram Mohan Roy
Ok fine agreed
But now many group of people are also fighting for LGBT marriage rights don't you have sort of respect and positive mind set for them too the way you have to the past revolutionaries
Happyness means not free of cost in society.There will always some kind of perception & lot of consequences needed to be considered first in respect of society.
Thank you
7:44 nice justification on Mr.chandrachud morality
And what about sati.... Sati was also socially acceptable practice but it was totally wrong.... And most of people don't know about proper work of Parliamentarian .and the same sex marriage is also like sati pratha bcz both practices as like in sati ,woman 's rights was completely compromise and in the present topic same-sex marriage some special persons facing verious atrocities and other forms of injustice. So according to my personal opinion there is no problem or harmful to legalise same sex marriage. Because everyone has right to marry to his loved ones and and i hope society will accept this change.
I see in the comments section, so many people still against homosexuality, I just want to give one instance,
Just imagine as you are a straight person, how it would be like to you to have sex with same gender??
Feels disgusting right..!
The same goes with LGBTQ+ people, they don't want to marry other gender but they do to avoid hatred and unacceptance from people like you.
Live let live
Love is love
True I am homosexual myself and the arguments of opposition of lgbtq is just silly.
Indian society is more progressive in adopting Western kfc and malls culture but its values are still guided by old age custom and tradition,
Good
A Good debate at all thanku Sansad tv❤
There should be marriage right for LGBTQA community. As marriage is caring ,sharing and companionship also.
Good pannel...
Why Sansad TV did not invite Senior Adv. Meneka Guruswamy, J Sai or any historian to make this debate way more fruitful? Rahul Easwar is a narrow minded right wing 'self acclaimed activist' who have not understood yet the Great Indian History.
Talking about the statement made by Sr. Adv. that parliament should make laws on the aspirations of people and if Indian voters are not forcing govt. over this matter then there might be some halfway here. But to counter this, I would say that govt. at the end of the day works for topics which are indirectly or directly support its vot count. In this case, Supreme Court is the last resort for LGBTQ community.
For better understanding of this topic, people can read "Sex and the Supreme Court" by Saurabh Kirpal.
Mr. Nigam forgot that Bhagwaan Krishan got married to Aravan during the war of Mahabharat. Which type of Marriage was performed between them then?
I didn't know about this. Thanks
What? That's something new ...
Long Live INDIA AND ALL INDIANS OF SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC AND REPUBLIC OF INDIA 🙏
That smiling thumbnail is kinda misleading.
Ssm should be legalised
It should be.
Mam, why don't u Continue, this Seriess,pls Rejuvinate this Programme
When sc will tell the decision?
Interesting debate ever
The western countries like Italy and Hungary.. And many more ...
Congratulations in advance, India
Religion has always been controlling in nature, They are like, we will tell you what you can do, and what you can't.
If it is not harming you, what is it hurting you so much. Such childish behaviour.
Humanity is the biggest law and article 21 is the heart of ensuring the same via constitution. When preamble reads ...we the people of india , it doesnt exclude lgbtqia community.and thus i believe certain laws must come into force to Kickstart a serious thought nd gradual acceptance will follow
What is "interpretating"? Mr. Iyer is constantly using it.
(How is it different from "interpreting"?
10:40 👍👍👍 & 23:30 is in too much hurry & bending toward one side👎👎👎
very ill thoughts by advocate nigam!
majority of the people would agree to not pay taxes, can government go on to legislate for the same?
some things do have moral ground instead. I can bet if it was not so for the British East India Company, Sati would still have been practiced in our country bcz this was the accepted norm by majority! and parliament would have been moot over this!
Not every time the phrase"putting cart before the horse" works, sometimes "cart is to be put before the man" as the man can push it, but the horse cant!
for me the perfect thing would be that the SC should direct legislator to pass a legislation over this in a stipulated time!
True. And he said India is not only some metropolitan cities, yes but LGBTQ people from rural India will not come out until there are protections in place. There are honour killings etc that we people from countryside have to worry about.
सती प्रथा was never there it was just an option .
British government has beautifully used some issue to justify there rule and it was among them .
@@morfashion3925 I appreciate your ignorance!
Agree
Oh!
Love you Teena Mam😭
Marriage is not just a societal concept, it has far wide reaching consequences. There's a problem of 'gay brain drain' due to the stigma surrounding homosexuality. Our Constitution guarantees equality, how do we implement it in true sense if we simply alienate a section of society for no good reason?
Furthermore, granting legal recognition to homosexual marriages would also mean that these couples will be willing to adopt children! The government's response isn't without merit, but it also highlights the fact that Indian society is regressive, social acceptance is not the only basis of legislation in our country, there are many other factors to account for. Majority rule is not what we see in our country in most scenarios, going by the Constitution, there are safe guards for minorities. Laws are not just made to appeal to the 'majority'.
There are many arguments favoring the legal recognition towards same-sex marriages, the only argument against it is that 'the society isn't ready yet'. The pros outweigh the cons in this scenario.
And I really don't understand the resistance against homosexual couples, would granting them legal recognition curb our rights in any way? If the answer is a resounding no, why should we be so against such progressive moves by the SC?
The old man is lying too much. Dont lie.
Why not including same sax marriage in the structure of UCC , when India's civil laws(mairrage , divorce...)are going to restructure for everyone then why not just add some laws for LGBTQIA+
Least no of people from transgender community is representing in parliament so can we expect a legally pressure on parliamentarians to do debates, or even thinking about to make a law, i dont think this is gonna happen soon,
Unless parliament transgenders are not represented this is not gonna happen
👍👍👍👍👍👍good one.....
First to government ne hi ise normal dikhana chahiye or normally pesh Krna chahiye aam logo k bich ..mtlb jese government or other awareness issue pr awareness felati h advertisement krti h un chijo ko normal dikhati h jruri dikhati jisse janta k man me ek soch banti h or change aate hain ...
Vese b Bharat ki jadatar janta villages ki h jo ek dam sidhe sadhe abodh se h unko koi baat ya issue systematically dikhaya smjaya jayga to vo smjege hi vo kounsa disturb hoke tmashe krne nikal jayenge
Or jo log tmasha bnayenge virodh karenge unko jra un muddo ki yad dila di jaye jo vese har living being k liye painful h janleva h (economy, environment,se jude)pehle un pr kam krle ..
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Only the supreme court can take the final decision, not the parliment.
Can this anchor be less blatant about showing her hatred towards a certain ideology and can once be more tolerant of voices of everyone.
She raised the right sets of questions and proceeds the debate!
@@chandansinghpatni yes absolutely she raised relevant questions, kudos to her for that, but my point is that she doesn't seem eager to listen to all with an open mind rather her behavior towards those with whom she disagree like her expression and her eagerness to cut such debaters. As a moderator it is quite unprofessional and debate gets skewed.
Same sex marriage should be allowed with the condition that they can't acquire the children of any couple where one is a male and other is a female to nurture and say the child is theirs.
If they want to acquire the child they should produce their own if they think they are couple and if nature has given the power to do so.
When question come when change will start... Question also arise how far change will go.... Legalising unnatural sex, after that people also can demand something else in the name of change or modernization , No one know where it will stop.. today is human, maybe tomorrow is animal.
How is it harming you or society in general? If it doesn't harm you, why do you care. Live and let live.
@@riteshsinghchoudhary115 you can see this attitude of " How it is harming you" in Europe... Naked women are doing protest there...
@@pervysage_jiraiyaa so let them, why r u so concerned? 😂 are you afraid of naked women? Or against protest.
So can we ask this gentleman how do we educate the society? There is an entity acting towards it called Bollywood who want to make progressive cinema but you have problem with Bollywood too. Badhai do was a movie made on the topic but did any political party came forward to support or make it tax free. Kashmir files, shershah and patriorical movies get so much support from government. Bollywood makes an attempt to educate but your party workers create drama for months and then chokidar comes and preach much later when everyone already made a perspective that Bollywood is bad. You are leaving no options for the community and that is why supreme court has to step in. Ask this gentleman how should one educate this society about this matter?
Iam supported to lgbtq
Legal framework must be created for Homosexual couples to get married like the Special Marriage act.
But I hope that Homosexual community would avoid trying to adopt designations like Husband or wives as these are related to Traditional religious principles of the world.
Marriage is a social, cultural & religious practice, system & arrangement.
I hope that Supreme Courts will give different terms to Homosexual legal partnership & cohabitation from the ones used in Traditional Hetrosexual marriages.
Where is the question of society here. Constitution grants rights to individuals. Freedoms of individuals are more important than rights of community.
Make panel where all members coming from LGBTQ community. We need to hear rhem.we have already heard a lot from non LGBTQ and the conservatives and their biases and flawed arguments.
The anchor's closing statement was blatantly and shamefully discriminatory and politically biased in its directive. She also excluded Harish Iyer from making a closing comment even though she could see he clearly wanted to speak. How very telling.
it is very convenient for a male upper caste person to say i am a conservative, as being so gives him lots of advantages.
Excellent decision and Full support to Govt of India in favour of Indian values and lifestyle.. Jai Hind
Absolute nonsense.... Awarding/reaffirming a person's fundamental right of relationship in d nature of marriage with a consulting adult of same sex/gender doesnt violate any other person's right of similar nature in heterosexual relationship.....which is foundationally different from the cases like Sabarimala, & Jalikattu, where other ppls lives were directly affected by letting other take different stances.and what adv Nigam says is total bulls society doesn't lead progress, it's the uniquely abled person/institution/circumstance which steers the time to have it pivoted to astute development....correct ur sociology & constitution first, sir...then speak...
Social acceptance is more than legal acceptance 🥰🥰🥰🥰
Constitution secures equality and assuring dignity of individuals - Each individual ( Irrespective of minority and majority ) - Let court decide if Legistlative bodies have imbibed any sort of clause into a law which violates constitutional values so that a wise and equiatable society can stand in this nation of of parliamentary democracy ( Majority party rule - executives are from legislature itself ) .Homosexuality have always been there in indian culture ( Khujarao temples ) and medeival feudal regressive social values should not be thrown to justify suck autocratic laws - because at the th end of day - culture has never been constant . Each one of us strive to live a dignified life , if minorities hsould not be respected in a great nation like India , then please let lgbtq community to be free from even paying taxes .
Whatever, the fact remains that this sexual misadventure is not conducted on an empty stomach. Even the poor on the street remain glued to the opposite. As usual these adventures are totally fine in private. The supreme court has only decriminalised gay sex. These misadventures have not been validated nor sanctioned in India. LGBT do not be oversmart! Its marvellous to be decent and polite, not otherwise.
One side he blames Brahmins and secondly advocating for a custom of marriage which was started by Brahmins.
Challenge Brahmins and live together without marriage
why he use like word hindu brahmanical lens, what other religion baised on homo sexual relations, like quran and bible.
Advocate of sc is right on this social issue
Same the "hindu law" too..
May they accept it thousand years ago..
But need to understand the tribes and ethnicities of India under diverse groups followed the rituals very differently since thousands years
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I strongly condemn Central government for this inappropriate action,
Government must be equal to every human being, LGBTQ community are not from different planet,
They are also born here, They born in India, There is a proof in Science, that LGBTQ feelings will start raising once baby is in Womb itself,
If this is the case, Why LGBTQ community need to suffer, Let them enjoy equal rights of humanity,
More than humanity nothing exists. Moreover this debt is purely like a Veg vs Nonveg food lovers.
Its purely your wish whether what type of food which you are supposed to eat,
I strongly agree, its upto consensus of adults. Here Government has zero rights to interfere,
Instead support marginalized society, This gives a good healthy society,
Marriage is not just for a wish of Society or Government or Stereotype, Instead Marriage should be from heart.
All Heterosexual people, please be minded, tomorrow there is a chance that your own daughter or son may become homosexual,
then you will understand about the real pain, Spread love, not hatred,
This earth is equally for everyone whether they are homo or heterosexual, Court definitely give solid judgement to approve homosexual marriage.
23:56....so in discussion of LGBT....A.I pops in....anchor with "basic pay" clearly doesnt know basic A.I or LGBT & difference between them & when to restrain from flowing with flow in speech...only the private news media channels mustn't be held responsible for poor quality...muck is all around the place.
LUVATAT.... India ma aam hogi
Sexual minorities ke bare me kon sochta hai aajkal..
Let's hope ki decison positive aaye .
Hame bhi haq hai apna partner chunane ka...
Duniya me do tarah ke log rahte hai.. those who believe in Religion and god and those who believe on science ,and both given the proofs of homosexuality .
So why people will decide.
Being a gay is not curse..
But in our society is curse..unless and until the law pass..
LGBT people ke liye different school,garden sab hona chahiye..
Male and female number imbalance should be considered also if it comes to marriage. What about right of that man or female who doesn't get their opposite partner during marriage due to imbalance? This should also be considered.
Then if lesbians and gays are equal, 8 people may have a lesbian couple, a gay couple and 2 straight couples. Suddenly one gender won't be homosexual all on its own. All genders will have similar percentage of homosexual people, no?
So you will force a straight marriage on homosexual people? Any how Homosexual people will not marry so there will be imbalance
Why marriage , here girls and boys are in live in relationship, now a days no one wants to marry, then there is no question of marriage fir same sex.stay alone.
When it comes to social issues, there should be social acceptance.
👉I would say it's not even about will of the people or social acceptance.
👉But there should be a purpose , first of a marriage should be defined in 360 degree .
👉Only happy can't be the criteria of every action or policy .
👉Just to have short time happiness for fist of people let's not pollute the institution of marriage.
👉Because marriage is much broader and secred than just having sexual relationship.
👉 Only Marriage can't be a fundamental right , क्या इनलोगों के जीवन में marriage के अलावा कोई उद्देश्य नही रह गया है ?? इनको कुछ और भी कार्यों में अपना जीवन खपाना चाहिए ।
He is a sc advocate but still ignorant of the role of legislature as the change maker. They are not just the people who cater to the needs of society, but they also decide the destiny of the society by making the progressive laws.
"All our panalists have suggested that mayeb it's too early for that kind of change". Your bias is showing anchor, do better.
Useless topic.
Supreme court kya ek nayi prampra ki suruwat karna chahti hai Bharat mai?
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Ye sisgender kya hai?
Cisgender
Plz don't bring this American wokeism
For heaven's sake try to understand, Mr. Iyer LGBT is best private. It can't be legitimate in public. LGBT rights is bogus.
Acc to societal norms it is not feasible.
How would people react when a same sex marriage happened in their surroundings.
We are born when we have have seen that she is a woman and he is a men.
No to same sex marriage.
Thanks sansad tv. 🙏🏿
👉 Sir ( mr Iyer).
If there are people who are gay.
They are not same as other men or women.
Why you have supporting to same sex marriage and those people can't produce children.
Even People's reactions on intercaste/interracial/interfaith marriages are not feasible but still law give them protection so why should one should consider people's reactions on same sex marriage. Other thing homosexual men or women they are also real men and women for your kind information. Go get some more knowledge about the community and them express your opinions.
@@sourabh2842 I think you are from that community.
India population have some social fabric.
They are not legalise same sex marriage like in European countries.
Where equal rights for those gay people .
Eg Spain.
Do some homework dear!!.
You are the person who don't see like these person to have marriage in your surroundings. 🙏🏿
@@anjalisaini3306 clearly you are seeing this with your orthodox lenses. What type of social fabric you are taking about. Our society wasn't ready for living relationships as well but it got legalised. Still large part of our rural population do not agree with this but it still got legalised.
Anjali does that mean if a straight man and woman can't procreate then their marriage should be null and void too.
law of Aryans (2-4% of 1.4B controlling the subcontinent's power and judiciary ) it means, right?..
Mostly law of Aryans and Arabian peninsula are same about gender , right?
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