I agree! One thing I like about panthers is they don’t actually have morphs in the traditional sense - no two panthers are the same - but we often refer to certain overall patterns as one phenotype or another. YBBB - Yellow-bodied blue bar for example.
Thanks again, was a fantastic episode! Jon is precisely the type of breeding that is furthering our hobby and passion. I have been following his work for a while and so it was wonderful to see him here. Keep it up with the great guests Dillon hope to see some more chameleon episodes in the future.
Wow, this episode was really great. Jonathan is really upping the standard. I love the scientific approach he takes to solving problems and increasing our understanding. I am not sure how well other keepers and future breeders could follow in the example but it definitely feels like a standard that we should try and get closer too.
I would not be comfortable with an egg, but can definitely see the advantage for experienced owners: shipping an animal likely cause some level of trauma/distress It's be interesting to do a study on a reptile/amphibian species (with relatively short life span), which tracks those raised from egg by owners and never moved vs raised by breeder + then shipped when old enough (vs shipped when adult), and see what the different outcomes would be for lifespan, temperament -- like this made me wonder if there is long term impact on being shipped. We know with humans, brief traumatized situations can cause long term PTSD, and childhood affects a lot on long-term outcome (as discussed, which was quite fascinating!). Tho it'd be hard to control for other variables -- those down to raise from egg may be different from those getting juveniles. More studies on childhood conditions on long term health/behavior, if shown different outcomes, could encourage more responsibile buying -- e.g. if could sell that as the advantages. Like want a more friendly [x]? Look for x,y,z in the breeder Re: selling at shows. I've been thinking for big box stores, the adult size and housing requirements should be by law listed (for reptiles, amphibians, fish), and maybe like estimated long term price -- to encourage more responsibile buying as big box stores rarely have experienced employees to advise, but maybe something similar would be good shows also. Never been one, tho curious, the whole deli cup thing is off putting.
Another great comment, Hunter! Very interesting thoughts regarding trauma during shipment, that would be a fascinating thing to look in to. And your idea to display estimated long term expense and adult housing size is brilliant!
Good stuff man! I completely agree that we should study the two tracks - given how many hatchlings die before 3 months of age when shipped as eggs, the top end lifespan would have to be significantly higher to justify it. We get between 95% to 98% survival rates on our juveniles and I haven’t lost a single animal in shipping since 2020. Usually, egg sellers prey upon people’s sympathy and point to horror stories to distract from the fact that less than 50% of their egg sales survive past 3 months with keepers who don’t know how to raise them. We’d have to see the survivors living twice as long to reach parity.
Great episode. Very much enjoyed it and will be checking out iPardalis! Always a pleasure to meet ethical breeders that are more concerned about the care and health of the animals than making a quick buck. Do you know of anyone who has this approach in working with Parsons Chameleons?
I think Matthew Gallup and Craig Durbin have some amazing setups and mindset. Craig may be the most advanced chameleon breeder in the USA (he’s definitely the best I am aware of).
Thanks for watching the episode, Rick! Glad you enjoyed it. And Jonathan took the words right out of my mouth, I was going to recommend checking out Craig Durbin’s work (m.facebook.com/primochams/)
Thank you, Dillon for all your hard work! Another fantastic episode! 🙂 I myself don't have a reptile, I'm more of a mammal person, but I have a lesser hedgehog tenrec (Echinops telfairi), who I keep in a bioactive setup. I find that their care can be weirdly lizard like 😃
Great guest!! Chameleon keepers, and I mean this as a complement, are some of the biggest nerds in the hobby for genetics and systematics 🧐🤠 Regarding importing, I’d be curious to hear from people like Jonathan on reptile import legislation (other than existing regulations). I know I’m more pro legislation that a lot of others, but I think its worthwhile to at least think about and could be done effectively. I could imagine something like CITES being extended in a way that betters the hobby but people like Jonathan would have a way better idea on something like this.
I have heard some European keepers talk about how they have a more extensive permitting process which employs reptile specialists to view and certify that a given keeper can properly care for an animal before they make a purchase. I think that would slow down the market, possibly in a good way, and we could provide an advanced permit for WC specimens.
I am a little disappointed, when I talk about quarantine and fecals at home, no one cares or tell me I am wrong, but someone else says it, it fine or no one cares
*Thank you for watching the episode! I had a great time chatting with Jonathan. Don't forget to check out his amazing blog:* ipardalis.com/
Who needs chameleon morphs, they're already beautiful!
They are incredible!
I agree! One thing I like about panthers is they don’t actually have morphs in the traditional sense - no two panthers are the same - but we often refer to certain overall patterns as one phenotype or another. YBBB - Yellow-bodied blue bar for example.
Thanks again, was a fantastic episode! Jon is precisely the type of breeding that is furthering our hobby and passion. I have been following his work for a while and so it was wonderful to see him here. Keep it up with the great guests Dillon hope to see some more chameleon episodes in the future.
Thanks for watching, Joshua! Glad you enjoyed it!
This episode is very interesting. It’s wonderful to see people take care of their animals so well!
Thanks for watching! And totally agree!
Wow, this episode was really great. Jonathan is really upping the standard. I love the scientific approach he takes to solving problems and increasing our understanding. I am not sure how well other keepers and future breeders could follow in the example but it definitely feels like a standard that we should try and get closer too.
Absolutely! Thanks for watching, Deric!
I would not be comfortable with an egg, but can definitely see the advantage for experienced owners: shipping an animal likely cause some level of trauma/distress
It's be interesting to do a study on a reptile/amphibian species (with relatively short life span), which tracks those raised from egg by owners and never moved vs raised by breeder + then shipped when old enough (vs shipped when adult), and see what the different outcomes would be for lifespan, temperament -- like this made me wonder if there is long term impact on being shipped. We know with humans, brief traumatized situations can cause long term PTSD, and childhood affects a lot on long-term outcome (as discussed, which was quite fascinating!). Tho it'd be hard to control for other variables -- those down to raise from egg may be different from those getting juveniles.
More studies on childhood conditions on long term health/behavior, if shown different outcomes, could encourage more responsibile buying -- e.g. if could sell that as the advantages. Like want a more friendly [x]? Look for x,y,z in the breeder
Re: selling at shows. I've been thinking for big box stores, the adult size and housing requirements should be by law listed (for reptiles, amphibians, fish), and maybe like estimated long term price -- to encourage more responsibile buying as big box stores rarely have experienced employees to advise, but maybe something similar would be good shows also. Never been one, tho curious, the whole deli cup thing is off putting.
Another great comment, Hunter! Very interesting thoughts regarding trauma during shipment, that would be a fascinating thing to look in to. And your idea to display estimated long term expense and adult housing size is brilliant!
Good stuff man! I completely agree that we should study the two tracks - given how many hatchlings die before 3 months of age when shipped as eggs, the top end lifespan would have to be significantly higher to justify it. We get between 95% to 98% survival rates on our juveniles and I haven’t lost a single animal in shipping since 2020. Usually, egg sellers prey upon people’s sympathy and point to horror stories to distract from the fact that less than 50% of their egg sales survive past 3 months with keepers who don’t know how to raise them. We’d have to see the survivors living twice as long to reach parity.
Great episode. Very much enjoyed it and will be checking out iPardalis!
Always a pleasure to meet ethical breeders that are more concerned about the care and health of the animals than making a quick buck. Do you know of anyone who has this approach in working with Parsons Chameleons?
I think Matthew Gallup and Craig Durbin have some amazing setups and mindset. Craig may be the most advanced chameleon breeder in the USA (he’s definitely the best I am aware of).
Thanks for watching the episode, Rick! Glad you enjoyed it. And Jonathan took the words right out of my mouth, I was going to recommend checking out Craig Durbin’s work (m.facebook.com/primochams/)
Fantastic episode. Thanks Animals at Home and iPardalis.
Thanks for watching! 😁
Great episode, so many interesting and diverse items discussed despite chameleons being the many focus.
Definitely one of my favorite features of this podcast is its ability to go deep on many topics when the premise doesn’t immediately make that easy ❤
Thanks, Rick! Yes, exactly, most of the topics are easily translated to other species 👌🏼
@@ipardalis I completely agree. I learn something from every episode.
Thank you, Dillon for all your hard work! Another fantastic episode! 🙂
I myself don't have a reptile, I'm more of a mammal person, but I have a lesser hedgehog tenrec (Echinops telfairi), who I keep in a bioactive setup. I find that their care can be weirdly lizard like 😃
Thanks for watching! 😁 yes, I think concepts of advanced husbandry translate well across all sorts of pets!
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Great guest!! Chameleon keepers, and I mean this as a complement, are some of the biggest nerds in the hobby for genetics and systematics 🧐🤠
Regarding importing, I’d be curious to hear from people like Jonathan on reptile import legislation (other than existing regulations). I know I’m more pro legislation that a lot of others, but I think its worthwhile to at least think about and could be done effectively. I could imagine something like CITES being extended in a way that betters the hobby but people like Jonathan would have a way better idea on something like this.
Thanks Kiki! And yes haha... I have to agree, they are nerds! Good question re: imports 🤔 I'll have to add that to a future discussion.
I have heard some European keepers talk about how they have a more extensive permitting process which employs reptile specialists to view and certify that a given keeper can properly care for an animal before they make a purchase. I think that would slow down the market, possibly in a good way, and we could provide an advanced permit for WC specimens.
@@ipardalis right, something like this makes a lot of sense
Great video very interesting and informative
Thank you very much for watching, glad you enjoyed it!
Very interesting!
Thanks for watching!
I am a little disappointed, when I talk about quarantine and fecals at home, no one cares or tell me I am wrong, but someone else says it, it fine or no one cares